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For McCain A Candidate's Military Pedigree Hasn't Always Mattered

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For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be commander-in-chief.

On Tuesday, the campaign hosted a conference call with reporters during which chief surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham said that McCain was "the best-qualified person to be commander-in-chief" since a previous military-political figure: Dwight Eisenhower.

"He has walked in the shoes of those in uniform. He understands their language. He has grown up in a military family," said the South Carolina Republican, "and quite frankly his military service is extraordinary."

Raising the specter of past military service in the context of a presidential campaign can, however, be a sensitive proposition. For starters there are some purists who still hold to the George Marshall school of thought that armed forces and politics should never blend. More pointedly, McCain himself has downplayed the role that military backgrounds play in election seasons. In February 2003, the Arizona Republican said "Absolutely not," when asked whether "military service inherently makes somebody better equipped to be commander-in-chief."

"Harry Truman was in the artillery in World War I, which was magnificent," he continued. "Ronald Reagan did most of his active duty in the studio lots in California. It might be a nice thing, but I absolutely don't believe that it's necessary."

A year later, McCain cast his ballot for George W. Bush, a national guard member, over fellow Vietnam veteran John Kerry.

But a more telling example may have come more recently, when McCain found himself campaigning against one of the few Iraq War veterans who was running for office. In 2006, the Senator appeared at a late-stage but crucial fundraiser for Illinois Rep. Pete Roskam, who was being challenged by Democrat Tammy Duckworth, a veteran who had lost both her legs in Iraq. The nail-biter campaign for the open seat, which was won by Roskam with 51 percent of the vote, was marked by heated rhetoric over service and war. Roskam, who won the endorsement of the organization Veterans of Foreign Wars, accused Duckworth of wanting to cut-and-run from Iraq. McCain held his fundraiser shortly thereafter.

Now, two years later, military service is once again at the forefront of an election. And while McCain did not raise the issue himself (he can thank Gen. Wesley Clark for that), and his campaign is stressing that his POW status does not mean he is uniquely qualified for office, the Senator has not been shy in highlighting his Vietnam resume -- so much so that on Monday evening, a fellow veteran from that war, Sen. Jim Webb, urged McCain to "calm down" on his synthesis of war service and politics.

Historians say there is no precedent to help determine how much an impact this will have on the general election. In the wake of the Civil War, nearly all presidential and congressional aspirants highlighted their role in the fighting. After WWI, however, virtually none of the presidents -- save Harry Truman, who ascended to the role after FDR's death -- had veteran status to tout. Indeed, Adlai Stevenson actively highlighted his civilian status compared to Eisenhower's military pedigree, while John F. Kennedy made his time in WWII a symbolic rallying point for his campaign. Vietnam changed the dynamics, casting opponents of the war against supporters (even if both had served). And because Obama is the product of a subsequent era, it could very well make McCain's service a moot point.

"I think it is less a debate over service and more a larger debate over generational approaches to policies in general," said Dr. Jay M. Parker, a professor at Georgetown University, senior fellow at Center for Study of the Presidency and an informal Obama adviser. "When you look at how service shapes a generation, that has an effect on the way you view all political issues. And I think that is true of those of any given generation, whether they served in the military, or in the case of those coming out of the 60s, coming out of the civil rights conflicts. What were the dynamics that shaped them? I don't think you can pinpoint this as a race as someone who served in the military versus someone who didn't because the generational dynamics are so different."

 
 

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Obama needs to embrace Clark and emulate him in having the courage to speak the truth, not join with the R's in impugning Clark's patriotism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 07/02/2008

Any of our representatives that agree that Clarke's statement is logically erroneous should be immediately expelled by their constituents. It would be evidence they are not fit to represent a rational constituency. The argument continues only because of it's incestuous relationship with the media provocateurs like FOX's, Hannity and O'Reilly .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 07/02/2008

Gen Clark has the credentials to to speak on this issue. Besides, republicans are attacking Gen Clark's military record. Therefore, McCain's record is a fair game. Obama needs to show some assertive stand on some issues. He should support Clark. He spoke the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 07/02/2008

Military service in a candidate is only conceivably important in two ways. First, it can give us an idea of how that candidate acts in stressful situations. Now, the problem here is that there are plenty of situations, often well-documented, in a candidate's life in which he is highly stressed. We can guess how he reacts based on these.

Second, having faced the horrors of war that candidate may be more likely to be judicious about sending others to face them as well. Funny how this holds true for most current politicians who were in the military but not for McCain and his Swift-Boat friends, who evidently want ALL of us to share in their wonderful Viet Nam experience...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 07/02/2008

Not because you have two hands means you can play the piano.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 07/02/2008

Anybody else read the story posted on huffpost about two weeks ago about what REALLY happened when John McCain was shot down? How his trade was vetoed by the powers that were? Seems to me that someone somewhere, maybe in the family, had dreams of glory for their darlin' boy that necessitated a 'proud' service of a five year term in the Hanoi Hilton. Anyeway, I'm really tired of all this Vietnam rehash. We're stuck in Iraq, going nowhere fast in Afghanistan, and can't seem to be able to hold a decent discussion on the merits of military v. civilian service and what lack of military experience has to to do with leading a nation back to some form of stable prosperity. I'm no fan of John McCain. I'm a 'hereditary' Democrat/Progressive. But-John McCain looks like my high school principal and I wouldn't vote for my high school pricipal either!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 07/02/2008

Same Article he graduated 2nd from the bottom at the Academy and was allowed to become a Navy pilot. He has also crashed 5 planes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 07/02/2008

sure he did that's what crazy old geezers do

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 07/02/2008

strange isn't it ? dole...duckworth, cleland and kerry ..eagleberger ...myself and thousands of vietnam and other war veterans told to...told to get screwed but mccain gets to stake his entire campaign on being a war hero.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 07/02/2008

If Senator McCain doesn't raise his service as an asset but his surrogates do, what should the response be. For example Sen. Graham's statement goes straight to the problem. In the scheme of things it may be what Mr. McCain is best known for and when he expressed his opposition to the new GI bill and Sen. Obama commented on it, he rebuked him with words to the effect that anyone who did not serve could not lecture him about military affairs. Seems to me the good Senator would like to have the best of both worlds. So is it off the table under any circumstances?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 07/02/2008

McCain seems to have a speculative military history that looks sort of like this. I would love to see his "real" records. He's trying to hide something.

~Ignored pleas of POW/MIA Family Members for his political influence in the overall POW/MIA Issue as well as with their individual cases

~Verbally abused POW/MIA Family Members in public and private

~Attempted to negatively influence those who testified before the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs

~Diminished legislation that gave oversight and protection to the families

~Dismantled protection to any future servicemen that go missing.

Yes, John McCain, the American politician, the man who many think would and should be the primary advocate and activist for the POW/MIA Issue is in fact the Issue"s primary adversary. You read correctly, the Issue"s primary adversary. John McCain has not provided one positive contribution to these same families that fought along side the first Mrs. McCain for close to six years to bring home all of those who were known to be captured by the Vietnamese. One would think that McCain would feel almost beholden to these fine American military families who united in one of their darkest hours to keep the POW/MIA Issue in the forefront of the War in Vietnam. Yet, nothing could be further from the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 07/01/2008

OK...I'm a Veteran (11yrs USAF-combat during The First Gulf War).

That being said...yes I respect Sen. McCain's service but...

He was held prisoner and tortured for five years...the torture caused permanent physical damage(his arms/shoulders issue). He was eventually broken and signed a confession under duress. That HAD to have taken a toll on his mental health.

I know Vietnam Veterans who still suffer from PTSD, and they were not even tortured. Many of them are so emotionally disabled because of what they endured, the VA keeps them pumped full of anti-depressants.... Yet, Sen. McCain is healthy enough to be trusted with the "Red Button" ?

We really need to see Sen. McCain's Mental Health records...past & present. It is just not reasonable to assume that he had/has ZERO mental & emotional problems. What are they and how will they impact his ability to fulfill his Presidential duties?

The infamous Day One is no time for a Vietnam Flashback.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 07/01/2008

I have no verifiable knowledge as to whether or not John McCain was a credit to his uniform in his days as an active duty Naval officer, but as for the last five years, I would simply say that he is a disgrace to the men and women who serve and have served their country (check out his lack of support for the Iraq/Afghanistan veterans who have returned home only to find little or no help from the very government that is responsible for their serious problems). He should be ashamed for saying anything against anyone concerning honor or patriotism. He fully supported Bush's fraudulent and immoral war and deserves neither our praise nor our support. He is without honor... a fraud.

http://www.culturekitchen.com/mole333/blog/the_bush_mccain_republicans_refuse_to_support_a

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 07/01/2008

So what do you think of John McCains opposition to Jim Webb's new GI Bill, and then his taking credit for it when it passed depsite his opposition to it?

Honorable? Or a disgrace to our veterans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 07/02/2008

Ulysses S. Grant was a great general, and a good man.

But, he was not a very good President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 07/01/2008

Know the man who wishes to run on his "service record". Know him well.

~Ignored pleas of POW/MIA Family Members for his political influence in the overall POW/MIA Issue as well as with their individual cases

~Verbally abused POW/MIA Family Members in public and private

~Attempted to negatively influence those who testified before the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs

~Diminished legislation that gave oversight and protection to the families

~Dismantled protection to any future servicemen that go missing.

Yes, J-ohn M-cCain, the American politician, the man who many think would and should be the primary advocate and activist for the POW/MIA Issue is in fact the Issue"s primary adversary. You read correctly, the Issue"s primary adversary. J-ohn M-cCain has not provided one positive contribution to these same families that fought along side the first Mrs. M-cCain for close to six years to bring home all of those who were known to be captured by the Vietnamese. One would think that M-cCain would feel almost beholden to these fine American military families who united in one of their darkest hours to keep the POW/MIA Issue in the forefront of the War in Vietnam. Yet, nothing could be further from the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 07/01/2008

"It's only important if it helps ME!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 07/01/2008

This latest report is almost beside the point. Nobody likes this absurd and disgusting man - Republicans hate and mistrust him and know he can't win for them, and to everyone else he's a public laughing-stock. Really, I have never seen such a p*ss-poor excuse for a politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 07/01/2008

Don't forget Dead-eyeDick and Georgie Boy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 07/01/2008

M-ccain's military experience leaves a lot to be desired it seems. I've read some things that doesn't qualify him "at all" to be nodoby's president, let alone ours. Do yourself a favor and google v-ietnam v-eterans against m-ccain and see what comes up. A whole heap of v-eterans who do not back up his claims at all.

Investigate and get informed. Know who you are voting for before you make a terrible mistake. Don't sleep this one away because it might mean another war for sure if you do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 07/01/2008

Democrats should push for the release of McCain's military service records. Voters should know everything about the people they are going to vote for. If McCain is so proud of his record, why is he afraid of releasing them? I am telling you; there is something in his record that would disqualify him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/02/2008

What would McCain be running on - if he didn't have his military record? Anybody? I can't think of one damn thing that he is for or not for - that would make him credible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 07/01/2008

If McCain didn't have his "hero" image, he'd be Jon Kyl, Arizona's other completely ineffective senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/02/2008

McBush campaigned against Tammy Duckworth? I remember when she ran for the congress in 2006, she's from Illinois and was supported by both Obama and Durbin. I also remember that the guy she ran against, and she didn't win, but was a republican leaning district, did not serve in the military, she lost both of her legs in Iraq, and the VFW endorsed her opponent instead of her. I couldn't believe it.

She's currently running the VA in Illinois. Senator Obama should have her run the Veterans Administration when he's elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 07/01/2008

He reminds me of scarborough. I don't think he respects women at all. He has that mean streak in him especially if he can call his own wife a c*nt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/01/2008

All of McCains military experience did not help him from being duped and used by Charles Keating.

Eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 07/01/2008

That Mccain was for Peter Roskam doesn't suprise me because he's a Republican, but that he actually put his stamp of approval on this guy is something else considering Roskam served as a legislative assistant to Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Tx) (remember the scandel) is suprising....what does that say about McCain's judgement....which is what General Wesely Clark said is more important, then sitting in a plane that got shot down and he happened to be in it at the time...ok, i paraphrased the last part, but he meant that. Good judgement is what a leader needs and McCain is not the one and Bush isn't even on the grid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 07/01/2008

McCain believes only his service is important. He doesn't give a damn about anyone else

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 07/01/2008

Only conservatives can run on military service. The "service" of liberals is a lie. (Please note, sarcasm.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/01/2008

Yeah, and why won't he release his service records if he wants to run on his service?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 07/01/2008

He says he shouldn't have to release his full records because Kerry didn't either. Except Kerry did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 07/02/2008

That's what I was thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 07/01/2008

you're absolutely right...McCain has been put on a pedestal and anyone who says his military service doesn't qualify him for the Presidency is simply unpatriotic and does not honor his service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 07/01/2008

As one guest on Countdown put it tonite: IT'S "POLITICAL MASS DECEPTION"..McCain wants this military stuff to stay in the news and on the forefront to keep the focus away from the real issues!!! He is weak in so many areas, he'd rather keep this story going about his military record, and have his surrogates go after the Dems and talk about how they ought to be ashamed, when in fact he knows Wesley Clark spoke the truth, he just didn't have to do it so bluntly. The media didn't come to John Kerry's defense, but they are covering this story 24/7.
McCain is a hypocrite, because they did the same thing to John Kerry, now he has someone on the campaign trail (whatever his name is) with him, this person was part of a smear campaign against John Kerry and his war record, he's now a McCain surrogate. Mr. StraightTalkExpress is no better than Obama, it's all politics as usual.

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN..OBAMA
STRAIGHTTALKEXPRESS...MCCAIN

BOTH CANDIDATES HAVE FLIP-FLOPPED SO MUCH, THEY NEED TO LOSE THE SLOGANS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 07/01/2008

Hypocrit, please. No "e" at the end of the word which everybody wants to put there :)

As far as Obama is concerned, that's only your opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 07/01/2008

Just anpthe McBush flip flop. And this is surprising????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 07/01/2008
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