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Barack Obama told reporters in Fargo, N.D., that he is “going to do a thorough assessment" of his Iraq policy.
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Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Thursday backed off his firm promise to withdraw combat forces from Iraq immediately and instead said he could “refine” his plan after his trip to Baghdad later this month.

Earlier, a top Obama adviser had said that the senator is not “wedded” to a specific timeline.

Obama told reporters in Fargo, N.D., that he is “going to do a thorough assessment."

"When I go to Iraq and I have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies," he said, according to CBS News. “I have been consistent, throughout this process, that I believe the war in Iraq was a mistake.” 

Obama later said at a second news conference he still intends to stick to the timeline.

At the second meeting with reporters, Obama said: "We're going to try this again. Apparently I wasn't clear enough this morning on my position with respect to the war in Iraq. ... I have said throughout this campaign that ... I would bring our troops home at a pace of one to two brigades per month and at that pace we would have our combat troops out in 16 months. That position has not changed. I have not equivocated on that position. I am not searching for maneuvering room with respect to that position.

"What I said this morning and what I will repeat because it's consistent with what I've said over the last two years is that in putting this plan together, I will always listen to the advice of commanders on the ground, but that ultimately, I'm the person who is making the strategic decisions."

The original Obama plan, still on his website, promises: “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

In a separate six-page Iraq plan, he says in a section headed “All Combat Troops Redeployed by 2009”: “The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to begin immediately to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year — now.”

David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, began backing off during remarks Wednesday on CNN’s “Situation Room,” telling guest host John Roberts that Obama has actually advocated “a phased withdrawal, with benchmarks for the Iraqi government to meet, that called for strategic pauses, based on the progress on these benchmarks and advice on the commanders on the ground.”

“He's always said that he would listen to the advice of commanders on the ground, that that would factor into his thinking,” Axelrod said. “He's also always said that we had to be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. So he's been very consistent on this point. ...

“I think he will take the advice, not just the advice of the commanders on the ground but his general assessment of conditions on the ground in calibrating that withdrawal. He said he thought we could get one to two brigades out a month. But he's not wedded to that in the face of events. No president would be. And he's always said that he's never said that this withdrawal would be without any possibility of alteration based on events on the ground. That would not be a prudent thing to do for any president.”

The Republican National Committee plans to make an issue of the evolving statements and has posted “Obama’s Iraq Guessing Game,” rounding up various statements on Iraq by the senator, his aides and surrogates.

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Party: Independent
Reply #1
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:38 PM EST

FLIP FLOP ...............FLIP FLOP...............FLIP FLOP. I don't want to hear anything from our corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack press about Mitt Romney being a flip flopper because this guy Obama has not only passed Mitt he has passed the "mother of all flip flopper", John Kerry. Obama is pandering to the "center" but he's not moving to the center folks................write that down and remember it.
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Reply #2
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:46 PM EST

OBAMA said the war was lost and the surge didn't work. He said, he was going to pull out the troops within months. That's the position which gave him the nomination, I guess he'll say anything to be President.
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Reply #3
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:46 PM EST

Obama flip flops on Iraq War funding.

Obama sides with anti-war Democrats

“Sen Barack Obama earned praise from anti-war activists but criticism from Republicans on Friday for voting against a measure to pay for the Iraq war that sets no timetables for withdrawing U.S. troops.”

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Reply #4
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:47 PM EST  updated

So, when is he going to clearly admit that he was wrong and that the surge was a good idea which worked? We don't need an inexperienced rookie in the white house who shows poor judgement and continuously changes his mind / flip flops into a more correct decision.

Obama might as well say "Now that I know I was wrong and McCain was right, I might as well change my position so people think I am smarter than I actually am."

Someone please explain how Obama voted against the Iraq war?!? He wasn't even in Congress until 2004... That's right, barely 4 years of Congressional experience, none in the military, zero as a Governor, zero business experience. And people want to elect this guy? He's just a used car salesman who hasn't even sold any cars!

Barack Obama: Changing positions you can believe in...


-FtAntonia

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Reply #5
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:47 PM EST

This is not a rewriting of his Iraq plan. He isn't saying anything new, although he may be stressing different ideas than he did before. It would be stupid for any President to have a plan for six months and be unwilling to change in the face of evidence. Oh wait, we have been living under just such a leader for the last seven years, unwilling to change in the face of reality. Now McCain is hiring all of Bush's old people, and if elected you know what pool of people he will hire for his administration? The same folks who are responsible for our economic collapse, an endless war and more uninsured folks.
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Reply #6
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:48 PM EST

As usual our politicians care more about getting elected than doing the right thing. Does anyone operate from a core set of principles anymore?
Jason
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Reply #7
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:48 PM EST

Gee whiz! I am hearing the same sound...FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP. I am a former life long Dem who left the party a few months ago. Yes I guess you could call me a PUMA girl. Barack Dukakis will lose in November. There will be 4 years of Grandpa McCain and then HRC will pick up in 2012 where she left off in 2008..."as I was saying"...
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Reply #8
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:48 PM EST

Well the sign of a good leader, to me at least, is that he is willing to take a look at the situation on the ground and see what he can see and then go back and listen to his advisors. True enough he flip flopped but doesn't everyone once new information is gathered on a subject?


Only two things are infinite. The universe and the depth of human stupidity and I'm not sure about the later.-Albert Einstein
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Reply #9
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:49 PM EST

BIGGEST LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FLIP FLOPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET!!!!!!


JOHN
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Reply #10
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:50 PM EST

This is not a Flip Flop. This is an act of tremendously courageous leadership. What we need is a president who, like Obama, will listen to specialists and advisers in order to make educated, circumstantial decisions. Obama's plan for withdrawal was made over a year ago, and now he has the chance to prove his leadership by adapting. Leadership is NOT governing from your 'gut' or sticking to your beliefs no matter what happens . Reworking his plan to suit the circumstances in Iraq NOW is a move that requires a lot of courage because of the criticism it will invoke.
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Reply #11
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:50 PM EST

Two words - Reality check. You gotta LOVE IT!
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Reply #12
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:50 PM EST

If you have been paying attention, you would remember that he has never said that he would take the troops out. Because, he can't do it. You may have heard him say "16th month timeline" and projected onto that that he was promising to take the troops out. His words during the primary were very carefully chosen because he knew the position he has begun to articulate today would end up being the position he is forced to take. Pay careful attention to what politicians say and try not to apply your wishful thinking onto their stances. Obama will not immediately removed our troops from Iraq.
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Party: Republican
Reply #13
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:51 PM EST

Attention Moonbats: please try and spin this. I love this guy, really I do. This is bigger than a flip flop, what is next... he is going to pick Zell Miller as his running mate?
google me
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Reply #14
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:51 PM EST

C'mon Obamapologists...Black Jesus will deliver another Sermon on the Mount about the (drum roll please) WAR! HOO! GOOD GOD YEAH! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

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Party: Conservative
Reply #15
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:52 PM EST

Vote Obama for 4 more years of Bush.
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Reply #16
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:53 PM EST

Well the sign of a good leader, to me at least, is that he is willing to take a look at the situation on the ground and see what he can see and then go back and listen to his advisors. True enough he flip flopped but doesn't everyone once new information is gathered on a subject?

Hahahha thats hilarious. Will that be the spin all the paid Obama posters will use on this article? Or will it be he is pragmatic and once he wins things will CHANGE?

How about you losers go back to one of those saying like "this is a distraction", "that was not the Obama I have known" , or my personal favorite "this was an unpaid campaign staffer who filled out this questionaire and he does not work for me"!!!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHA. Oh yeah do not forget to put how much you hate President Bush in your responses either, remember he is on the ballot in 08. Idiots.

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Reply #17
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:53 PM EST

The BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OBAMA AND McCAIN ON IRAQ:

-- John McCain was FOR invading Iraq -- Barack Obama was AGAINST invading Iraq

-- John McCain will WITHDRAW TROOPS from Iraq, but he IS NOT IN ANY HURRY to do so -- Barack Obama will WITHDRAW TROOPS from Iraq, and he WILL BE IN A HURRY to do so

Sorry Republicans but Obama's position is not a flip-flop.

John McCain has always stated "Obama should be willing to listen to our generals in Iraq regarding troop withdrawals".

Now, when Barack Obama SAYS HE WILL LISTEN TO OUR GENERALS IN IRAQ and adjust a withdrawal timetable accordingly, Republicans and John McCain think this is a bad idea?

Barack Obama IS the best person to be Commander-In-Chief.


Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. Get used to it.
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Reply #18
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:53 PM EST

KraZB: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:50 PM EST

This is not a Flip Flop. This is an act of tremendously courageous leadership. What we need is a president who, like Obama, will listen to specialists and advisers in order to make educated, circumstantial decisions.

Mitt Romney is on the phone, he wants to pass the "flip-flop" torch to Sen Obama


I'm Getting dissy
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Party: Democrat
Reply #19
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:54 PM EST

Barack Obama on Fox News Sunday 4/27/2008: "I will listen to General Petraeus given the experience that he has accumulated over the last several years. It would be stupid of me to ignore what he has to say. But it is my job as president, it would be my job as commander in chief, to set the mission." Doesn't sound like a flip flop.
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Party: Conservative
Reply #20
Date: Jul. 3, 2008 - 4:54 PM EST

But when Bush says these same things - he is a moron.

Obama supporters must be drinking a LARGE portion of Kool-Aid to act like this isn't a change in his message.

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