Amanda Tapping joins 'Stargate Atlantis'
Changes are afoot in outer space.
“Stargate SG-1” is wrapping up its long run with 10 episodes that begin airing April 13, Sci Fi Channel announced Tuesday. A spinoff series, “Stargate Atlantis,” will also air 10 episodes of its third season starting on the same date.
Tapping will be in 14 of the 20 Season 4 episodes of “Atlantis,” which, like “SG-1,” revolves around intrepid explorers using wormhole technology to travel all over the universe (an activity that often leads to epic battles with alien bad guys).
Torri Higginson, who plays Elizabeth Weir, the head of the “Stargate Atlantis” mission, will be a recurring character in Season 4, executive producer Joseph Mallozzi said in a phone interview from the show’s Vancouver set. Mallozzi couldn’t say for sure how many fourth-season episodes Higginson would be in; that number is in “a state of flux,” he said.
Mallozzi didn’t want to be specific about how Higginson and Tapping’s characters will fit into the command structure of the Atlantis expedition in Season 4, but he did say that Carter will provide “more of a support role.”
“She’ll be an important member of the Atlantis expedition, but the Atlantis team is the Atlantis team. The stories will focus on them as a team and on them in terms of the development of the characters. Sam isn’t there to overshadow what we have in place but to support it,” Mallozzi said.
But Carter’s background as an astrophysicist will mean that Rodney McKay (David Hewlett), the snarky in-house genius on “Atlantis,” will have another scientific brain to pick.
“She can take some of that workload off David -- David has a terrific amount of technobabble” on the show, Mallozzi said. Carter’s experience as a military officer, a warrior and a leader will also come in handy, he said.
Mallozzi would not confirm one development that has been widely discussed on “Stargate” fan sites for months, which is the death of “Atlantis” doctor Carson Beckett, who’s played by Paul McGillion. The actor told Starburst magazine that his character is killed off in an upcoming Season 3 episode called “Sunday” (which has already aired in Canada).
“Needless to say I was stunned, for lack of a better word. I didn’t see that coming at all. Personally, I felt like I was doing a good job on the program and I think the producers thought so as well. …. I was sad and disappointed by their decision, but yet this is a business. I understand that and I respect these guys for giving me the chance to play a character like Carson Beckett,” McGillion told Starburst.
Mallozzi would neither confirm or deny the death of Beckett, but he did say, speaking hypothetically, that in the realm of sci fi, even “dead” characters have a way of turning up again in some way. Could Beckett make an appearance in Season 4? “It’s possible,” Mallozzi said. “This is sci fi, no one is every gone for good.”
He added that if the character were to exit, Beckett would not “ascend,” as Daniel Jackson did when his character exited for a season. “I can guarantee you that will not be the route we go,” Mallozzi said.
Asked whether any other cast members of “Atlantis” are leaving, he said, “stay tuned on that one.”
Jewel Staite, of Joss Whedon’s “Firefly,” will join “Atlantis” for eight episodes as Dr. Keller, “a physician who joins the Atlantis expedition,” according to a Sci Fi press release. (Staite already had a guest role on the show as a different character, a Wraith child named Ellia).
Mallozzi said that Season 4 of “Atlantis” would also feature the arrival of a new alien race, one that will be an “unpredictable wild card.”
“Looking over the 10 stories we’ve been thinking about” for the first half of Season 4 of “Atlantis,” Mallozzi said, “the easiest way to put it is that a lot of [stuff] is going to go down. Some fans will not like it, some fans will love it. We’re going to get movement on characters, and we’ll have some fairly character-centric stories. We’re going to develop an aspect of the Wraith, and we’re going to have this new wild-card race,” he said.
There were no plans at present, he said, to have Ben Browder (who plays “SG-1’s” Cameron Mitchell), Claudia Black (“SG-1’s” Vala Mal Doran) or Michael Shanks (“SG-1’s” Daniel Jackson) guest on “Atlantis,” but Mallozzi didn’t rule it out.
“They’re going to be in the two [‘Stargate SG-1’ DVD] movies” that are being filmed this spring, Mallozzi said. As far as bringing them back to “Atlantis,” “it’s a matter of coming up with a believable story and the actors’ availability and everything else. At this point it makes more sense for Teal’c or for Daniel Jackson to come to ‘Atlantis’ than for [Cameron] Mitchell."
He added that Christopher Judge, who plays Teal’c on “SG-1,” will guest on one early fourth season episode of “Atlantis.”
Photo: Amanda Tapping
A few final thoughts from Joseph Mallozzi:
Some general thoughts on Season 4 of “Atlantis”: “The past couple of years, we’ve done 40 episodes of TV [between ‘SG-1’ and ‘Atlantis’]. That’s kind of a huge order by anyone’s standards. We got an early start and we got stuff done, we were never late, but we were always up against it. These 20 episodes [for Season 4], we were able to think things through and really focus a lot. People complained that [in the past] there were a lot of McKay-centered stories. This year, when we went into Season 4 planning, we wanted to have a story for each character, something that explores their backstory and personality, with things that had not been revealed in previous episodes. We’re also doing a little more in terms of setting up extended, season-long arcs.”
On the new race in Season 4: “I want to keep it somewhat vague, but they are a race of beings that are atypical of the Pegasus galaxy. They’re a type of people we’ve encountered before in ‘SG-1,’ but we’ve yet to encounter [this type of race] in the ‘Atlantis’ universe.”
On the series finale of “Stargate SG-1” and the two “Stargate SG-1” movies: “The season finale – it’s not a cliffhanger, but on the other hand, it’s not a neat and tidy tie-up like ‘Mobius.’ For many fans of the show, ‘Mobius’ was a nice wrap up to [Jack O’Neill’s] run on ‘SG-1.’ In the first movie, we’re going to seek to tie up loose ends regarding the Ori. The second movie is more of a standalone, it’s nothing to do with the Ori. It’s more of a Goauld story, a more traditional ‘Stargate SG-1’ story.”
On fan reactions to the upcoming season of “Atlantis”: I think fans are needlessly worried. They read spoilers and get upset [before they see the episodes]. The heartache and the anger – fans would save themselves a lot of that if they would wait and watch the episodes. I’m sure they are already starting their letter-writing campaigns. But in our case, to be brutally honest, they don’t really have an impact on creative decisions.”
I'm horrified by what's happening on SGA. I can't believe that TPTB are choosing to populate a show that barely escaped cancellation with actors from shows that WERE cancelled in both Amanda Tapping and Jewel Staite.
It's bad enough that they offed Carson Beckett to grab some ratings in one episode (and the way they treated Paul McGillion was appalling!), but what they seem to be planning with Torri Higginson is disgusting. This character was so important to them that they recast the role to make sure they had the right actress.
They have an absolute gem of an actress in Torri. She's by far the standout cast member in terms of performance. Is it a case where they can't write well enough for her? If so, hire some new writers. Blaming the actors for their ratings is a copout. Actors can only do a certain amount with the scripts they're given. Irresistible comes to mind.. One of the most hated episodes the Stargate franchise has ever come up with, but no matter how much people hated it, TPTB ignored that, and still came out with Irresponsible.
Joe Mallozzi says they don't listen to the people who write, and they're writing a show that they'd like to watch. Well, what happens when nobody else wants to watch that show? Because that's what's going to happen.
I for one won't watch season four without Torri Higginson. No matter how much I love the Sheppard and McKay characters, I won't watch them without the wonderful Elizabeth, who softens both of the characters, and gives such a human element to the show.Posted by: Alli | Feb 20, 2007 8:17:19 PM
Mr. Mallozzi and the other producers of Stargate Atlantis might want to show a little more respect to the VIEWERS who keep them on the air. If I get disgusted by his arrogant attitude, I might just have to vote with my remote control and WATCH SOMETHING ELSE ... ON ANOTHER CHANNEL!
And just for the record...if I'm not watching the show, I see NO reason whatsoever to PURCHASE the DVDs, figurines, magazines, etc. associated with it. Think about that while you're ruminating on your "creative decisions" gentlemen.
To the editor: If you can't post the above comment in whole, please don't post any part of it. I don't want my opinions chopped up for the sake of political correctness. Thank you for your consideration.Posted by: AtlantisFan | Feb 20, 2007 8:30:00 PM
Not to worry? Carson is dead. I've seen the Sunday episode. How this man can prove that he is not a liar. We need a confirmation that Carson will be revived in 4th season. As for now there is no such confirmation. So we (the fandom) can call him a LIAR!Posted by: Vladimir Krasnoshekov | Feb 20, 2007 8:54:12 PM
"I think fans are needlessly worried."
Higginson is out and the dreadful, wooden, boggle eyed Tapping is in and a producer who is openly scornful of fans and their preferences is now in charge. How is that "needlessly" worried? My prediction is that Atlantis will not survive to see another season!Posted by: Belinda | Feb 20, 2007 9:40:25 PM
I just wanted to say that fans have a right to be upset if they don't like the changes that are being brought to a show they love.
I for one am upset about Carson Becketts demise because it didn't serve a purpose but to show that these writers can take another character the fans love and kill them off just for the sake of shock value. They did it with Janet Frasier, Martouf,Nareem, Daniel Jackson (thank goodness we got him back though)and so on.
I also see no reason for bringing Amanda Tapping/Sam Carter to the show because the regular cast were doing just fine on their own. I also believe that McKay already has a technobabble partner and that is Radek Zelenka, thank you very much. I just feel that the creators brought Carter to the show because of their infatuation of her character instead of anything else about her. Also if you think about it the more logical choice of any SG1 character going to Atlantis would have in all honesty been Daniel Jackson. I myself prefer the Atlantis cast be entirely left alone and only have a few occasional appearances by SG1 members but then that is my opinion on the matter.
All in all I felt this article did nothing to appease this SGA fans worries, but instead only managed to add a lot more worries to my list instead.Posted by: Wendi | Feb 20, 2007 9:47:36 PM
Yeesh at all the negativity in the comments. :S
I for one am excited about the changes. I think adding Amanda Tapping is a stellar idea and has the potential to tighten SGA's storylines and characters and make it a better show. It badly needs something drastic because, in my opinion, the show has been kind of rudderless for the past year or so. Too much focus on McKay and Shep to the almost total exclusion of all else...and even then, we've learned little to nothing about Shep...and that's just sad.
Teyla and Ronon have pretty much the same function and have been given almost nothing beyond the obvious.
Weir? Except for a couple of stand out episodes, her lines could have been delivered by pretty much anyone.
I hope and believe that Carter will be used to tell some exciting new stories and facilitate some interesting character development for the gang, which IMHO badly needs it.Posted by: Mary Beth | Feb 20, 2007 11:07:11 PM
The producers can tell fans the exact number of episodes that Sam and the new doctor, Keller, will be in, who are both listed as recurring, but he can't tell the fans how many episodes Elizabeth has?
These comments only cement my suspicions that Torri Higginson who plays Elizabeth will be out after a few episodes. Watching the episode and confirming the spoilers won't change the anger and disappointment fans of Elizabeth will feel.
Joe Mallozi is afraid to give an exact number of episodes because he knows he will be inundated with fan anger and worse, Elizabeth fans will stop watching the show.
He may as well just get it over with and tell the fans what will happen to Elizabeth. It will save everyone more trouble in the long run. Why watch a show in which your favorite character is being written out and the producers/writers explicitly state that they don't care about fan reaction.
People, it's obvious that these writers/producers are clueless. To say that letters mean nothing in creative decisions is just not true. If enough letters are written to the NETWORK (don't bother with the writers), they make an impression, trust me.
To change something (like reducing Higginson's role, or killing off popular characters like Beckett, dropping General Hammond from SG-1 still annoys me) for the sake of change is foolish, and shows that the writers are devoid of new ideas, and they are the ones who should be changed; if there is a purpose, that's another story entirely - and usually a better one!
To bring Carter onto the show is done either to boost ratings (?), or because TPTB like her. Or she was available. [Personally, I'd get rid of Tayla, but that's just me - never liked that character.] Carter is superfluous to Atlantis at this point, and I'm wondering why would she even want to come to Atlantis? Doesn't she still have a job to do at SG-1, and isn't she still theoretically involved with O'Neill? Gives one pause.
If you're upset, write the Sci Fi Channel. That is the only way to effect change.Posted by: kate | Feb 21, 2007 12:02:30 AM
You know what? Joe Mallozzi and co. deserve to have their show canceled. They show no respect to the viewers, without whom, they wouldn't have a job.
He's baited viewers from the first moment he entered fandom, and he's no different this time. His comments about Weir have been ambiguous at best. All we want is confirmation that they're doing the right thing by Torri and her character, unlike what they did with Paul and his.
Mallozzi's gone from saying that Torri will be part of a major character arc (what happened to the last character who went that way? Ford anyone? Jonas?), to saying that he's not sure how many episodes she'll be in because it's in a "state of flux". Well, you're about to start shooting 'Mr' Mallozzi. Maybe you should figure that out. If you can say that Amanda Tapping (Enough already. So many people are sick of the Sam character!) is getting 14 episodes and Jewel Staite is getting eight, surely you can give a number for your lead actress, or the woman who was your lead actress.
As for letter writing, and the fact that they scornfully mock the people who feel the need to write, it seems they were all for letter writing campaigns when fans were trying to save SG1. But when it comes to Atlantis (the poor, ugly stepsister of their poster child for scifi), they don't care.
Rumors of Torri's impending dumping came about late last year, and at the time those who had some faith in TPTB were saying "No, they couldn't do that. She's too important to the series. She's the heart and soul of Atlantis. She's the leading lady". Well, they were wrong. They can do that, and they are doing that, despite being told by many, many fans that they will stop watching if they go ahead with this plan.
I'm glad this article has been printed. It gives us a more mainstream forum in which to express our concerns. And those concerns are huge. We're seeing them systematically dismantling SGA to bring in people who they believe will grab them cheap ratings. The number of people who will change the channel when they see no Weir and no Beckett is huge. Many of them aren't part of internet fandom, and have no idea what's going on. They'll be too late to do anything about it.
My friends and I will continue to write letters, whether they're welcomed by TPTB or not. That way when the show tanks after season four they can't say we didn't tell them so.
Well, I for one am happy with the SGA shake up; it's currently too much of a fluff fest for my taste; needs a little more edge, and it seems tptb finally realize how much this show critically needs some butt kicking oomph.
Seriously, it’s been lagging so badly, of late, (with the exception of some first-rate eps) that I’ve skipped many an episode.
At any rate, with ALL of the changes taking place…fresh blood…darker grittier direction… etc., I’m sure as he!# going to be tuning in for season 4.
What is that I see, Atlantis sinking.
I just don't see how this show can survive so many cast changes. I was willing to let go of Carson as much as I loved him because he was really sweet. However basically getting rid of Elizabeth was the last straw for me. I don't care that SGA will have alot of character centered episodes because a huge part of SGA will be gone now. In the Stargate world recurring means 2 episodes tops and then your off to live with Ford and the other forgotten characters.
A huge part of why I watched and tolerated some of the worst episodes of Atlantis ex, The Tower and Irresistible was because I really loved Elizabeth. Her along with Sheppard and Mckay make the show for me. Take one out of the equation and its just not the same. I've come to love Ronon this season but his not enough to keep me watching. I at least hope they kill Elizabeth and maybe we will get some Sheppard angst because really I don't want her character to live if she will just be send off to earth.
Also Mr. Mallozzi is in need of some PR. His done nothing but insult fans, which isn't helping their case. Of course people are going to be upset, removing Elizabeth, who has one of the largest fanbase character wise and ship wise is going to annoy alot of people.Posted by: Pati | Feb 21, 2007 2:21:43 AM
I don't want Carter. Point of fact. Maybe Mr Joe should have been at Pegasus 2 the other week and heard the fans boo when Carter was brought up. I agree that McKay has Zelenka, we don't need Carter. This is a prime example that the MEN who write this show, just want something pretty to look at. SG1 got cancelled for a reason, stop dragging SGA with it. Fans have a write to worry and complain about changes. They pay your wages Mr Joe!!!!!!! Think about that when you're insulting them. People HAVE tuned out after Sunday. I've seen it and was disgusted how long it took for any characters to even MENTION him in the next few episodes, it was a disgust to the fans, to the character and to Paul McGillion. I will not be watching season 4 on the edge of my seat. it will properly be reruns when nothing else is on.Posted by: redphoniex | Feb 21, 2007 3:48:30 AM
How can Mallozzi say that people are 'needlessly' worried when their favorite characters are being killed off? How can he say "wait and watch the episodes".
Does he really think that we'll say "Oh well, Joe Mallozzi says I should like that Elizabeth Weir is being dumped/Carson Beckett is being killed, so I guess I will, and I'll forget the character ever existed! Oh, they in their almighty wisdom were right. How dare I have a mind of my own and actually vote with my remote now that they've ruined my viewing experience by getting rid of my favourite characters".
He's already called us shrill and ill-informed lemmings, screaming blue murder on his blog, and managed to insult most of fandom. But of course, he must be right because he's the one with a job on a TV show and we're just the lemmings who keep him in a job by watching his show and buying the products associated with it.
Will people keep that loyalty up when the show becomes a shadow of its former self, and turns into Atlantis: Sam and Rodney? I don't think so.
Mallozzi has already said people are worrying about Carson needlessly. Well, you know what? The episode's gone to air in Canada. People have seen it. People have also seen the interview McGillion did about how shocked and disappointed he was to be dumped from his dream job. About how he didn't want to hang around and have anyone say anything in front of people in the last day because he knew he'd end up crying in front of them all. And why was he dumped? In an attempt to get some big ratings for the episode Sunday. No other reason. It hasn't furthered the plot. It was not even mentioned until his replacement commented about him in the finale.
These people need to realise that the reason SG1 had as long a run as it did is that the cast wasn't messed with until Michael Shanks decided to leave. The cast was given a chance to build the show up. The fans were given the opportunity to learn to love the characters. In short, TPTB showed them a loyalty that hasn't been given to the SGA cast.
They've given us three years to get attached, and in that time, they've had one go missing in space, one die from an exploding tumor, and one blow up in the final episode of season three, presumably because either they have some issue with the actress's contract, or the writers aren't bright enough to come up with stuff that's worthy of her.
But you know what? Given the arrogant, egotistical attitude that they throw out from their ivory towers, I doubt they can see how damaging what they're doing is. I doubt they even care, provided they can still write for Carter and McKay. Everyone else on that show had better be ready to take a back seat to those two. It will happen, and for the viewers, it won't be pretty.
Tapping is a great actress and Sam is a much loved SG1 regular so I'm also personally looking forward to seeing her on SGA. I actually hope to see all the female characters including Weir and Teyla interacting with Sam, and not just McKay.
I'm also pleased with Joe's comments regarding a more balanced character centric take on the whole SGA team and planning for the whole season. Its what the show desperately needs and I hope the results show in the quality next season.
While I don't believe all the upcoming changes are necessarily a good thing from a stability point of view, I am willing to wait and see what happens with the show creatively before passing judgement and obviously beginning my letter-writing campaign... ;)Posted by: Rachel | Feb 21, 2007 4:45:28 AM
Fans have every right to be unhappy if they feel TPTB are making bad decisions. One of my favourite characters has been killed off and a vital member of the expedition is about to be reduced to recurring. Plus a character who has had 10 years on another show is being brought on board for some reason. Don't get me wrong, I love Sam and AT is a wonderful actress, but unless her status drastically changes between the end of SG1 and the start of S4, her mere presence is going to undermine both Sheppard and McKay and probably won't do much good for Zelenka either.
But I'm being told to wait and see. And I will watch S4, to see. But even if it turns out that my fears about Sam are unwarrented, I am never ever going to be ok with the way Carson Beckett & Paul McGillion have been treated, not to mention Torri & Weir.
But what makes this even worse is the contempt TPTB, or at least Mr Mallozzi seems to have for the fans of the show. It feels like every time I see an interview with him, or comments by him, there's a jab at us in there somewhere. And in this interview, he actually said that our opinions have no bearing on their decisions. Our opinions do not matter. To be honest, I thought as much, considering this whole farce. But to see him actually come out and say that was a bit of a shock. It really worries me that that is who is now in charge of one of my favourite shows.
Let me just say that Elizabeth Weir is one of the most popular and most loved characters on the show. She is much more than just the leader of Atlantis—she is the center and the soul of Atlantis; she sets the moral compass of the show. She is the perfect counterpart to all the military personnel on the show.
Elizabeth Weir is a role model and an inspiration to young girls/women everywhere. To see a female character in such an important position while exercising considerable power and influence with grace and wisdom is extremely rare on TV these days. So why relegate her to recurring status? It absolutely makes no sense.
Torri Higginson has always been loyal to the show, passionate about her character and unbelievably gracious with her fans. And this is the way she is rewarded?
If The Powers That Be want to save their show, stop turning Stargate Atlantis into Atlantis SG-1.
Save Elizabeth: http://www.saveelizabethweir.com/
So the fans opinions really don't have any influence? Hmmm ... I guess our opinions will impact the show when we turn it OFF! No viewers, no ratings, equals no tv show.Posted by: Suzanne Barry | Feb 21, 2007 6:26:18 AM
I tend to agree with AtlantisFan that Mr Mallozzi and co should show more respect to the fans/viewers, for without them they would not have the luxury of working on such wonderful shows.
As for Amanda Tapping joining SGA, I'm exceedingly happy and can't wait to see her character on the show.
I am disappointed that Torri Higginson's role will be reduce - there's a lot of potential to see great things from her...perhaps TPTB would do better in listening to the fans/viewers!!
Like most fans I am very upset with the recent shake up in the cast changes.
I do feel sorry for Amanda Tapping getting caught in the middle of it all and bless her heart she’s the only who seems to know how we all feel, which is appreciated. And yet those with the remote control to the show just don’t want to listen.
I don’t mind AT coming over but do we really need all these changes to the Atlantis cast? I for one would much rather have the loveable Paul McGillion back as Carson Beckett and Torri Higginson’s character kept as a full-time cast member.
I wonder who will have remote control when season 4 airs I no I for one will be turning of if the future of the show doesn’t look bright.
According to this poll -- http://sgatlantislight.livejournal.com/87730.html -- bringing Sam Carter to Atlantis is a really bad idea. The Young Jack O'Neill clone has over twice as many votes as Carter, for Pete's sake!
But, of course, Mallozzi and gang are writing for themselves, apparently, and not the fans. I won't be surprised to discover the show soon doesn't have enough of a fan base to last another season.
Oh, and for the record, Mr. Mallozzi, what sort of parallel universe are you living in where you think you can be disingenuous about what happens to a character on an episode that's *already aired*? We *have* seen the episodes, thankyouverymuch, and we're not happy.Posted by: Lynette Cowper | Feb 21, 2007 8:03:49 AM
I know for a few weeks now and I'm still sad of these news. IMO, Elizabeth is really important in the show, she's not just Atlantis leader, she is Atlantis. Without her, everything would be different.
And with Torri they have one of the best actresses. She isn't just playing Elizabeth, she is Elizabeth and she loves her and wants the best for her, just like us. Maybe they feel they can't write Elizabeth, and it's true: most of the writers don't know how to write Elizabeth. But one does: Carl Binder.
I would be okay with them bringing Sam in Atlantis, if it wasn't the reason why Elizabeth goes to recurring. What I'd like is some interactions between those two, not one to take over the other.
And about the fans reaction bit? Well, yes we're upset, who wouldn't? One day we find out that they decide to put one of the main characters to recurring and we should say nothing? If it was at least Torri's decision, we would have accept it, but from what we know it isn't. And it's not just Torri/Elizabeth fans who are upset but others too 'cos we just don't like what they're doing with Atlantis.Posted by: Vicky | Feb 21, 2007 8:32:33 AM
How can we not be worried? Carson is DEAD. We've seen the episode. It has airred. We are basing our worries on VIEWED episodes, not spoilers or mere rumour. An episode, I might add, that was little more then a pointless, badly constructed exercise in how to completely waste one of the best and most unique characters in the show. In the words of the man who wrote the episode, Martin Gero,'Carson & Paul McGillion were hands down the break out star of season 1'. The actor and character were promoted to main cast because of fan POPULARITY. He was an 'everyman' and the 'emotional core of the Atlantis cast', to once again paraphase Mr Gero. To toss such a popular character aside when SGA is DESPERATE for every viewer to survive screams idiocy and a complete disregard for the viewers in general.
I see also Mr Mallozzi is quick to blame a lack of publiticity on his blog, and arrogantly refuses to accept his and his collegues below par writing might actually be the cause of low ratings. I feel the show wouldn't have even been renewed if not for SCIFI's want to actually make money on the series by having a full syndication package. Fan negativity and more often then then not, down right apathy is however the result of such attitudes. We CARED about Carson Beckett, so we tuned in and showed out support for the show. He was an emotional attachment to the storyline, throwing him away breaks those ties and either angers or leaves fans uncaring and in search of more fulfilling, BETTER written material.
I think the arrogance in the statements above is astounding. I'm sure Mr Mallozzi has to take a firm stand on these matters to avoid appearing weak and pandering to ever fan whim, but he could and SHOULD for the sake of his JOB, be much less patronising and rude. Dismissing fans so flippantly is a sure fire way for us all to simple switch off. If our opinions (as customers of this show), do not matter then Mr Mallozzi and his writer ilk will be the only ones watching. I'm sure it will be fun to pander to their own fantasies and egos, I just hope SCIFI dont mind when no one else cares to watch.Posted by: TJ | Feb 21, 2007 8:44:16 AM
Do the people in charge of production (or Bridge Studios itself) have something against doctors?
First, they wastefully killed off one of the best supporting characters in recent memory when Janet Fraiser was slain by the Goa'uld. (This is where "Stargate SG-1" finished the shark jump started when they resurrected Daniel Jackson.)
Now Beckett? Why not just send him home?
And why drop Weir as a main character? I really like Torri Higginson in this role & it'll be a shame to lose her. At least they aren't killing her too.
Are they?Posted by: Patrick Broderick | Feb 21, 2007 8:56:41 AM
I'm up for the character-centric stories and the development of the Wraith! Great! But why kill off the much-loved established characters that are huge fan-favourites. That makes no sense to me whatsoever. I can't imagine this show without Beckett. It sucks. What a waste. Not happy.Posted by: Ali | Feb 21, 2007 9:25:06 AM
I've cancelled my pre-order for Season 2 of Atlantis.
Don't need the fans? Fine. Then you don't need our money either!!Posted by: Bendinae | Feb 21, 2007 9:44:30 AM
No sense in getting all hot under the collar. The decisions have been made. It's pretty much a done deal. We don't even know at this point if Torri Higgenson going recurring was her choice or the choice of "the powers that be". Until we do, getting all worked up for Torri's sake is rather premature.
I can't help but remember all the hoopla, associated with NCIS at the end of Season 2. Fans were up in arms that Bellisario would dare kill off a much beloved character. However, once the show aired, it was made known that the actor in question had requested to be taken off the show. It was her choice. So, there was really much ado about nothing.
As for the lovely Amanda Tapping, I'm looking forward to seeing what the writers do with her character, Sam Carter. The potential is there for some really great story telling and good interactions with various characters. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen, but regardless, it will be totally up to the writers to make it happen. Amanda Tapping can do a lot with whatever she's given, but great acting can only do so much for bad writing.
So, I'll wait and see what Season 4 has in store. Hopefully, I'm gonna love it.Posted by: Kathi | Feb 21, 2007 9:49:56 AM
All you people who are complaining need to give it a rest. You have no idea what will happen in the next season. None of us do.
I going to wait until I've seen the season before I judge it and the cast changes. Personally I looking forward to a change in direction and some new faces even though it is a shame we had to see Carson Beckett go.
Personally, I don't understand why the creative force behind Stargate Atlantis is making such radical cast changes. Despite one or two eps, season 3 of SGA is pretty good.
If they want to improve the show, they should come up with better stories instead of messing up with the amazing Atlantis characters, specially Dr. Beckett and the captivating Elizabeth Weir.Posted by: Lantean | Feb 21, 2007 10:10:35 AM
"I think fans are needlessly worried."
Overwrought? Yes. Needlessly worried? Not after the debacle (in plot and character development) that was SG-1 season 9 and much of S10. And those that produced it are the same as the ones doing Atlantis.
Joe mentioned that they were doing 40 hours of tv a year(for the last 3 years!), now they are doing much less. I'm hoping that has an impact on the quality of the writing/storytelling. Both for the SG-1 movies and SGA.
He can blow smoke all he wants as long as production team is honest with *themselves* and start churning out good stuff again.
My fingers are crossed but I'm not waiting with baited breath. I'm cautiously optimistic. Unfortunately my experience in the last few years has taught me to expect less rather than more.
One last thing. The only reason I'm giving the extremely bland Atlantis yet *another* chance is because the stellar Amanda Tapping is now on it. But a Sam as a recurring character can't save 3 years of poorly drawn characters if they don't work on improving them (and the plots).
The gauntlet is thrown, Joe. Have you accepted?
SusanPosted by: Susan | Feb 21, 2007 10:32:28 AM
What's a fan to do when my favorite character from Stargate SG-1 (Lt. Col. Sam Carter) comes over to replace my favorite character (Dr. Elizabeth Weir) on Stargate Atlantis?
I guess the real question is why can't we have both? Why does Elizabeth Weir need to be a recurring character? And why do The Powers That Be have such a problem writing for women? We have a show chock-full of male characters, but we can only have two women on the whole show because they can't figure out what to do with them or how to write for them? There are so many opportunities that the writers are missing out on by not having Sam, Elizabeth and Teyla all as regular characters. If women can do anything that men can, why don't the writers write stories like that?
There is no reason that viewers should be forced to choose: Carter or Weir. I, for one, am not happy with the changes that Stargate Atlantis is making. I want to see Elizabeth Weir on the show as a regular character. And I truly feel bad for both actresses as they are caught in the middle of this train wreck.
I guess we should've seen it coming, though. Stargate SG-1 turned into Farscape SG-1, and now Stargate Atlantis is turning into Atlantis SG-1.Posted by: Sarah | Feb 21, 2007 10:58:12 AM
Mr. Mallozzi is very clever. He tells the fans not to jump to conclusions but to wait until they've seen the episodes before making a judgment. Sounds logical, doesn't it? But by the time the episodes air, it's already too late to change anything. Right now they are writing season 4, and even he admits that the number of episodes Torri will be in is still in a state of flux. What better time to let our wishes be known? Now we learn that season 4 won't air until the fall. Maybe TPTB are hoping that all the hoopla will die down, and fans will act like the little lemmings he accused us of being and just accept all the changes. Maybe we will, but we'll do it by ceasing to care and will vote with our remotes. There are a number of good shows on other networks on Friday night.Posted by: Ellis | Feb 21, 2007 11:50:06 AM
I do not understand all the agony over one character's death (Carson) and one character's reduced role (Weir).
I have seen the episode "Sunday", and it was a very moving episode. I do not want to give away too many spoilers, but the story starts out as an average day off where nothing should go wrong. However, something horribly goes wrong. Carson portrays the depths of the heroism, selflessness and humanitarianism of the character. The episode shows that space travel is dangerous, and sometimes important people die and not just some nameless "red shirt" or marine. It was a fitting send off to a great character; comparable to the death of Spock in Star Trek II.
As far as Wier's reduced role, I have faith that the writers will continue to entertain the viewers.Posted by: Jeremi | Feb 21, 2007 12:06:08 PM
Could they maybe make McKay less whiny? I liked him on SG-1 and his interactions with Carter - he was arrogant, but human. On SGA, he's just plain whiny. Enough already!
Very sorry to see Weir and Beckett gone; they are the most empathetic characters on the show. Almost everyone else has become a caricature.Posted by: Jennifer | Feb 21, 2007 12:07:31 PM
I for one, am pleased about the shake up for season 4 Atlantis. I was not too happy Beckett went, but accept it and trust that the producers know what they're doing. What'a done is done.
As for Weir? I have never liked her and won't miss her if she goes at all. At least Carter is a strong woman and a charismatic character, unlike the dowdy and inconsistenly written Weir. Bring the changes on. The show needs a darker edge and more grittiness to it. I can't wait to see season 4 and look forward to it immensely.
As for fans not having an input to the creative process? Good. It'd be a total mess if they did.
May be Mr Mallozzi should be a little more grateful that people care SO MUCH about this show and the characters in it that they feel the NEED to write letters to express their opinions.
Bottom line - Beckett was a vital character for so many SGA fans, and sure - whilst there are SGA fans that will get over his departure, an even greater number are most certainly infuriated by it and find the manner in which McGillion and his character were dismissed as incomprehensible and inexcusable - whether that is the 'way' of the acting 'business' or not. If they couldn't write continually for him, then surely reducing his role to recurring again would have sufficed?
Also, I find it mildly irritating to be told to 'wait and see what will happen' when I know my favourite character is as dead as a proverbial parrot. As much as I wish Tapping and Staite all the best in their new roles, the devotion I had for the show because of Beckett cannot be replaced by either of them. I'm left feeling as flat as yesterday's pancakes.
I will continue to write my letters and emails of support for Paul McGillion whether Mallozzi thinks I'm a nutcase or not. In fact, he can say all he wants... I'm sure he is secretly loving all of this publicity and will undoubtedly continue to mock the fans in order to get it.Posted by: Diesel Vanilla | Feb 21, 2007 12:25:37 PM
This reminds me of Earth:Final Conflict and Andromeda, where arrogant producers kept "tinkering" without regard to fan preferences, until nothing was left and the shows collapsed.Posted by: David | Feb 21, 2007 12:44:28 PM
When you invest yourself in a fandom, part of the allure is investing yourself and your emotions in the lives of these people, fictional though they are. We have invested ourselves in Stargate: Atlantis and yes, we are upset by the recent changes. Dr. Beckett was a dear heart for many, while Dr. Weir and/or Ms. Higginson is an inspiration for many people.
Dr. Weir and Ms. Higginson have done much to restore my own faith in human goodness. I cannot stand by and simply watch as she is treated to the same 'adios' as Paul.
www.SaveElizabethWeir.comPosted by: Raposa | Feb 21, 2007 12:56:10 PM
Well Mr Mallozzi to be brutally honest I must say that with you at the helm and the dreadful Sam Carter joining the cast of Atlantis the show is over for me. I am just one viewer but how many more are there like me who feel the recent changes have ruined the show? Weir and Carson were much loved and have left a void no one, least of all Carter can fill. Tapping's dire acting almost ruined SG1 for me and I will not sit through another episode with her in. She is simply awful.
The producers have made clear (in a video interview since removed from the MGM SG site) that one of the reasons Sam Carter is being imported to Stargate Atlantis IS to draw SG1 fans to SGA, and judging from some responses on this forum, it’s working. I’ve seen some fans say they’d watch Carter “read the phone book.” Just as long as her physical presence is there they'll be happy. That's not good TV though.
The biggest problem with any show that kills characters “to shake things up” is that the writing is not up to par. You don’t need to kill or replace characters. This is like the “Saw” movies where you just keep escalating the gore and death because the audience gets jaded. The writers need to sit back and say ‘what’s not working,’ and invariably it boils down to the fact that the writers can’t think of what to do, or, much more rarely, the actor can’t perform, and I’m sure some of the writers don’t want to be that introspective into their own lack of writing skills…
Fans have been clamoring for character development in SGA for years, and are told they’ll see it, but it’s handed out in such small dollops it’s ridiculous. Instead of replacing characters, why not replace writers? After all, you can see that some viewers go “that line could have been delivered by anyone.” No doubt it could have been written by anyone, too!
Killing off one character to replace them with the same kind of character makes no sense; reducing Weir makes no sense; bringing Carter on board makes no sense (except from a marketing we-want-SG1-fans-to-please-watch-the-spinoff point of view). Change is inevitable, but these tactics seem to be done out of desperation.
If writers like Joe Mallozzi can take an SG1 script and basically rewrite it into an SGA script (yes, it’s been done), it means they’re out of ideas. Perhaps he should step back and let a new, better writer move in. I for one would like to see Carl Binder take more control as he’s had a good hand on the characters, if most of his scripts are any indication. One of the most popular episodes of season three was “Common Ground,” a piece centered solely around a captive Sheppard and a Wraith. Why can’t they do more character pieces like that?
While Mallozzi has spent years exhibiting his disdain for the fans, he might want to think about what he says. He incredulously tells fans not to read spoilers - yet HE is a prime source of those spoilers. Over the years he’d been active online, he seems incapable of not baiting fans with tidbits and vague comments about upcoming shows and has done so again in this interview (which by the way, thank you for obtaining – it’s nice to read something about Stargate in the real press).
Atlantis was designed as a spin-off from Stargate SG-1, yet in reading this interview and press release, it seems that the producers are incapable of letting go of SG1. They’re transferring over characters, bringing over villains, etc. Yes, the two shows are interlinked, but honestly, I’d rather see Atlantis stand – or sink – on its own merits, and not have to sit through “special guest star (fill in name of SG1 actor) every other week.” If I want that sorta crud, I’d watch reality TV. Or better yet, just turn off the tube.
I, for one, was very pleased with what I saw in season 3 of Atlantis, and am waiting with baited breath for season 4.
I see a lot of anger here that I simply do not understand. It's as though a lot of people feel the shows producers are beholden to them for the content of the show, but really I feel they are not.
Yes, if a show cannot retain viewers, its ratings will suffer and it may be cancelled. However, how fans can gripe about something they haven't seen yet is mind-boggling. When Atlantis premiered, we knew nothing and let TPTB take us where they will. I'm of the firm belief that some of these fans want the show to be something it's not and paying little attention to what's on screen. Rather, they're mourning a show that might have been for them.
Take, instance, Dr. Weir. For me, she is by far the weakest character on this show. She may be 'the heart and soul' of Atlantis, but I find her ineffective. TPTB have told us of her skill set, but rarely use it or have things go awry when she does. She's the administrator, a Hammond-like character and has been since day one. I'm totally on board with her status as recurring next season. I've seen her compared to President Roslin on Battlestar Galactica, which I have to say in my opinion is wishful thinking on the part of fandom.
I will miss Dr. Beckett, although I do understand what his death means in terms of storytelling. I look forward to seeing how Samantha Carter will fit into the Atlantis stories.
These producers have given me ten years of entertainment with SG-1 and three years with Atlantis. Here's hoping for more.Posted by: Michelle | Feb 21, 2007 1:56:19 PM
Thanks for your arrogant, ignorant, conceited, contemptuous, pompous, smug, supercilius, autocratic, disdainful, insolent comments about viewers. (OMG! A fan who actually knows the meanings of these words! Maybe we're not the dumb lemmings you think us to be!)
By making these comments about fandom, you've made it a lot easier for me to say "Shove Atlantis, I'll go and watch my DVDs of CSI".
You need to understand that you're writing/producing for a limited audience as it is. Scifi is NOT mainstream. Alienating us by insulting us is only going to lose you viewers. Why don't you take a leaf out of Joss Whedon's book? Now there's a man who respects the fans, loves his cast, and actually knows how to write. And his series was axed while you continue to treat people like dirt and get away with producing sub-par episodes?
You also need to realise that a huge number of the people who are writing to complain about your plans for Elizabeth and the fate of Carson will turn off their televisions, or switch to another show. How many do you think will tune in to see Amanda Tapping? Do you think it'll be enough to cover the number of fans (not all of them Beckett/Weir fans) who've had enough of you trying to keep SG1 alive by repopulating SGA?
You have movies to do for SG1. Do them, and give the crossovers a rest. We don't want Carter on SGA. That much was obvious from the reaction when David Hewlett mentioned her at the convention in the UK recently. He was shocked that people booed. He was shocked that people said "We like Amanda, we just don't like her being on Atlantis". I can't imagine why he was shocked, since for all intents and purposes, she's being brought in at the expense of the leading female character on SGA.
Paul McGillion losing a job just because TPTB can't think of a way of increasing ratings other than to quickly kill off a character and hope people tune in to see the fallout (of which there was none... no mention of Carson until the final episode) was an insult to the actor. Now you tell us that we should "wait and see" with Weir as well? Not this viewer. I've seen what the boys at Bridge Studios do with recurring characters.
How is it that TPTB can't see how insulting this is to the existing cast? What do you want to do next? Bring in Vala to take over from Teyla? Dump Ronon in favor of Teal'c? Maybe give Ben Browder Joe Flanigan's job, since that's what you wanted from day one -- Browder as John Sheppard.
If you think that fans should just sit down and shut up while you tear this show apart and make it into Atlantis: SG1 Starring Rodney and Sam, you're deluded. This is the era of the internet. People don't need to give you ratings to actually watch your show. I'm not one who's done it, but the majority of people have already seen Sunday, and Carson's untimely death, because they download episodes. If it's gone to air in Canada, your telling people in an interview being published in Chicago not to worry until they see the episode is pretty stupid.
Also, it's fine for you to say that it's the internet fans who are the problem. You know what? Less internet savvy fans still have the same views. They just don't know where to find the spoilers. I told a couple of people at work the other day what was happening with this show, and they were horrified. I told them of your comments about fans, and one of the two said that he would definitely never watch anything you were involved in producing ever again.
You can say what you want about people involved in letter writing campaigns. It won't stop us. If we feel like clogging up the emails and filling the mail boxes of everyone involved with this show, we'll do it. At least this way we get to say "I told you so" when the show gets canceled midway through season four going to air, and you can't say "Well, we didn't know".
Oh, and the "We need more publicity, that's why we don't rate" theory is a copout. If your product is good enough, word of mouth will help you gain an audience. Unfortunately at this point it's not good enough, and your disdainful attitude towards fans and your cast will only serve to spread bad will among fans, not good.
To Torri and Paul, thanks for three wonderful years (with the exception of a couple of bad eps). We love you, we respect you, and we'll watch the next shows you're in. Provided those involved with the Stargate franchise are no part of it...Posted by: Ashlynn | Feb 21, 2007 2:00:32 PM
I saw this on a signature at Gateworld. Nicely put on the part of the writer:
First they came for Ford, and I said nothing, because they never gave him enough to do, anyway.
Then they came for Carson, and I said nothing, because he was never one of my favorites.
Then they came for Weir, and I said nothing, because I questioned her leadership.
Then they came for Sheppard & McKay, and I said nothing, because it was the actors' decision.
Finally they came for Lorne... and there were no fans left to join my fight.
Think about that, Mr Mallozzi.
As a avid UK viewer of both SG1 and SGA I would just like to say what's with all the complaining!!! SGA is a brilliant show - fans should except all changes and not just because their fav character won't be in the show!! What does that say about the fans hey - that they are not true SGA fans!!! I admit i was disappointed when Carson was killed off, but hey that's tv shows for you. They still have a strong cast (Flannigon, Luttrell, Momoa, Hewlett, the guys who play Radek adn Lorne to name but a few)and i think that as long as the story lines are exceptional(and towards the end of season 3 they are very indepth and emotional i see no reason to not watch the programme. I mean look at SG1 when Richard Dean Anderson left in season 8 (or was it 9?) - did fans just give up watching!!! OF COURSE NOT!! AND he made cameo appearances, who's to say that Weir won't make them, and besides we haven't heard from Tori Higgison yet on how she feels about this. Besides for me Weir's role was very similar to General Hammonds - in charge but never of the front teams like SG1 and SGA are.
I for one am looking forward to season 4 of Atlantis, it's going to be interesting to say the least!!! I can't wait to hear about upcoming episodes - hopefully we get to see and hear more about the wraith and the human replicators.
As for fans trying to dictate the show - everybody has their own views on what characters should do and what stoylines they want to see but at the end of the day it is a SCI FI show which means science fiction not focus on one bloody person for the entire season (that would be just boring). The writers are there for one thing - to keep us entertained!!! Honestly, would of any of the fans thought of a team going through an alien artifact to different galaxies by now?
To all the TRUE stargate fans, i'd just like to say may season 4 bring you all the joy and happines (and SHEYLA shippness abound) and hope you all enjoy future seasons of ATLANTIS
And last but not least a HUGE THANKS to the writers - we might not like all changes that are being made but we TRUE fans will not stop watching because of a few minor staff changes!!
A huge thanks to anyboy who reads this!! I just had to write this out to anybody who is listening - i'm fed up of people complaing about Weir only having a part bit - who cares - get on with the show!!Posted by: linda | Feb 21, 2007 2:07:47 PM
Wow. Fandom comes in and makes demands with rude comments and expects respect? This makes sense, I suppose, because we all learned when we were young that we will attract more bees with vinegar than honey. Or is that the other way around?
I have to say that working on a TV show must take an enormous amount of time and energy (and money) and since I don't do this for a living, I have nothing but respect for those who take all these investments to give us great entertainment.
I'm not concerned over the changes in Stargate Atlantis; I even look forward to some. What little hints about what's coming are intriguing, and the only gripe I have is that we have to wait so long to see it.
In conclusion, I'd just like to echo an above letter, and say I'm beside myself with happiness that fans have little influence about the content of this show. I'll put my faith in the producers of the show.
Thanks for listening.Posted by: John | Feb 21, 2007 2:14:04 PM
Ah, Mallozzi, Mallozzi, Mallozzi...
When will you learn that viewers have the power to kill your show or keep it alive? That we have the power to vote with our remotes? That we have the power to download, should we choose to?
This isn't 1980. People have ways of finding out what's going to happen on a show well before it happens. They have the ability to find ways and means other than actually watching television to view their favourite programs.
I'm not convinced that TPTB actually understand a scifi audience. We're not people who'll be dictated to. We're not people who can be told what to think because it's "good for us" or "good for the show". If we don't agree with decisions that are made, we're darnwell going to say that.
If Mallozzi has a problem with fan feedback, and has a problem with realising that 31 of the 38 comments that have been unscreeded at the time of me writing this have been anti-TPTB. Anti-change. Pro-Beckett. Pro-Weir.
Think about that. He can yell and scream all he wants about not getting enough publicity and people not being loyal and watching the show. What about the people who are loyal enough and devoted enough to tell TPTB when we think they're making a big, big mistake? We're called shrill lemmings and basically told to go suck a lemon and take what they deem worthy of being dished out to us.
And we're supposed to believe that all of these changes are good for us, good for the show? I for one have a mind of my own. I'm perfectly capbable of deciding what I do or don't think is good for my favorite show. I'm not going to change my mind just because Mallozzi tells me I should.Posted by: David | Feb 21, 2007 2:25:16 PM
Joe Mallozzi needs to consider what he's losing by getting rid of or cutting back on Elizabeth.
1) She's the last character left with any real heart and soul on this show, now that Carson Beckett is gone.
2) She's a role model to women and girls everywhere, because she's a strong, independent character who doesn't need to fall out of her top to get people to notice her
3) She's one half of the biggest heterosexual 'ship on Atlantis. Sheppard and Weir are by far the most popular combination. You lose her, you lose a lot of people who love Shep/Weir. There are a lot of us. You kill Sparky, and you kill our love for the show.
Mr Mallozzi, you may think we're all just shrill lemmings, but we're the reason you have a job. Think about that before insulting us, and think about that when you're dealing with Torri. Showing her respect, and doing the right thing by her and her character would go a long way towards mending some of the damage you have done to this franchise.Posted by: Juanita | Feb 21, 2007 2:35:40 PM
'Sunday' was a fantastic episode and Paul McGillion the actor is not dead, for crying out loud. Disheartened fans may still see him in other productions, maybe even in 'Starcrossed' if the pilot is chosen by NBC Universal ?
I for one agree with Mr Malozzi, no point in getting all worried before the episodes actually air. So far Atlantis suits me fine, it's a fantastic show and I can't wait for season 4 to begin.
'Lose Sparky, lose the show'? Oh, barf.
Every fan certainly as a right to cling to what they feel 'makes' a TV show, but placing yourself on a pedestal due to some made-up-in-fandom, non-canon relationship is over the top.
I may not agree with every little change that happens on the shows I watch, butI have to say, I'm glad Mr. Mallozzi came right out and said that fans have little influence over this show. It'd be a compete mess if they did. Sparky? I can think of dozens of handles who would tune out at that.
The fact that so many people are here whinging about 'I'm not going to watch!' may seem like a plea to TPTB, but to me it's more like a petulant child crying for attention. This complaining is less about the proposed changes in the show, and more about the need of some fans to feel important. Really, if they wanted to make the show suffer, they'd simply change the channel. Calling such attention to oneself is part of a 'misery loves company' mentality. I've seen fans complain for two seasons now, saying they won't watch, yet continue to do so simply so they'll have something to whinge about.
Hats off to Mr. Mallozzi an Co. Glad it's your job, and not mine. Oh, and I'd like to say bring on season 4. It can't come soon enough for this fan.Posted by: Just_Say_No! | Feb 21, 2007 3:08:32 PM
Yikes! So much bitterness and anger!! ;)
I must admit I was a little distraught at the comment that the writers don’t listen to the fans pleas. Usually writers write for the audience, so you would think they would listen to what the audience has to say. However, I at least think we should give the show a chance before throwing it all away over some changes.
I also must admit that I too was angry that they killed off Carson Beckett. He was my favorite character and, at times, the only reason that I watched the show. I realize that storylines must be developed and characters must be killed off for the sake of the story, but I was still sad to see it happen.
I think we’re being a little hard on the writers and actors in regards to the current hinted changes. Although Dr. Weir is one of my favorite characters you have to admit that the writers have never fully utilized her character. There are some episodes where she is rarely ever seen and even though she is supposed to be one of the main characters, she is often on the sidelines. Although it is horrible what the writers have done (or lack of doing anything with the character), changing her status to “recurring” is not that big of leap from what the writers have already done with the character. I have a feeling the audience will see her with more screen time as a recurring character than she ever had as a main cast member.
As for Amanda Tapping coming to SGA I think it’s a good move and I’m looking forward to it. And somehow I doubt that Sam’s presence on SGA is going to ruin the show or overshadow the other characters. I think that she’ll probably fill the role of the missing Col. Caldwell (Mitch Pileggi) whose presence on Atlantis never overshadowed any of the characters, but I think added a little something to the show (or at least a story line or two).
I for one am going to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and at least give them the chance to prove that the changes are going to make the show better.
Frankly, the motivations of the very few "positive" comments here are very obvious, and they don't do anybody credit.
Quite apart from that, I just saw the UK premiere of the episode "Sunday", and it was pathetic, to use my more tactful opinion. Using one of the stupidest sci-fi clichés ever to kill off a main character, not to mention one who, while not universally loved, has been a central part of making Atlantis the warmer, character-centric show it has been as opposed to SG-1. Elizabeth Weir has also been a central part of that, and if TPTB think that ditching those two characters is a move toward MORE character-centric writing, well, then I'm not looking forward to season four very much. Rachel Luttrell is also an outstanding actress who's had very little screen time. What's going to happen to her with Amanda Tapping and Jewel Staite in the arena - more character development for Teyla? I seriously doubt that.
Mallozzi needs to get off his high horse and realise that it does matter what the fans think, because if you don't have devoted fans, you don't have that word-of-mouth that keeps a show alive and therefore you don't have the ratings that the people airing the show want to see to get them to keep the show on air.
To be perfectly honest, call me a lemming if you like, but I'm losing interest in this show very quickly, which is somewhat of a shame in my eyes as it's been my favourite since it began up until the débacle of an episode that was "Irresistible". I love Amanda Tapping and have been fond of Sam Carter throughout SG-1's lifetime, but the character will be out of place in the cast dynamic of Atlantis, and I don't want to see her there. Why bring in a character with ten years' character development and shove those with only three out of the way? I can only assume laziness on the part of the people in charge, and that makes me even less optimistic about forthcoming episodes of Atlantis as this show has, unfortunately, been going downhill for some time. I haven't seen an episode I loved since "Echoes", and as for the "-ible" episodes... let's not even go there, shall we?
This show is dying fast, and TPTB need a reality check.Posted by: Katie Hall | Feb 21, 2007 3:52:13 PM
Well, I've been saddened at the loss of Carson, and while Weir is by no means my favorite character, I'll agree she had an important part to play. I do hope we see her is some great capacity in season 4 and beyond.
I'm disheartened by the attacks on TPTB by fandom. Are we really expecting to receive what we wish for our favorite characters when we lash out so harshly at the producers of our favorite show? I'm of the belief that these people would never willfully harm a project in which they've invested so much time. I honestly believe the long gap between seasons and lack of publicity will do way more harm than storylines and cast changes.
I'm going to sit back and enjoy the rest of this season and I look forward to the next one and beyond. I can honestly say TPTB have not let me down so far in the grand scheme of things. Sure, there've been some stinkers, but the good far out weighs the bad.Posted by: Amanda | Feb 21, 2007 4:01:15 PM
Joe Mallozzi can think what he wants about fans, but saying it over and over in such open forums? That's not professional. Any other professional who made comments like he has about their 'clients' (and that's what fans really are, their clients, the people who keep them in a job) would be sacked. For some reason the people at Bridge Studios seem to think it's fun to stir people up.
What they need to do is keep the season three cast, rethink the decision to use Carter on SGA and get Carl Binder to write the majority of episodes. He seems to be the only one who actually knows how to write for Elizabeth and Teyla. Why do the Stargate characters find it so easy to write for Carter? Because she's a lot more traditionally masculine than traditionally feminine. She's a soldier, she rides a motorbike, works on that motorbike. She can be one of the boys. That's what they set her up to be. Give them a female character like Elizabeth or Teyla who actually has a real feminine vibe to her, and they're lost. Except for Carl Binder.
The only thing they seem to know how to do is put Teyla in increasingly smaller tops, and have Elizabeth worrying like a mother hen. Women aren't cliches any more than men are. It's about time they realised that, and used these two actresses to their full potential. If they did that, they wouldn't need to bring Carter in.Posted by: Jo | Feb 21, 2007 4:43:18 PM
They obviously wish Atlantis to fail as a series.
The character mix was ideal - Zelenka and Lorne included, even Cadman now and again.
Why change what ain't broken is the old saying.
Are TPTB going to go down in history as the "eejits who permanently sank Atlantis ?"Posted by: Susan Malcolm | Feb 21, 2007 5:08:39 PM
Mallozzi is so egotistical. He needs lessons in public relations. I have seen him say similar things many times at Gateworld and on his blog. Why can't he maintain any professionalism when communicating with the fans? It's actually rather stupid. The ratings for Atlantis are on the cusp of cancellation. Alienate just 5 to 10 percent of the core audience who finally get fed up and give up on the show and the ratings will fall enough for SciFi to cancel it.
In fact, I don't think SciFi really wants to support this show. They are moving the start of Season 4 to October, four months after the end of Season 3! By then, the casual fans will know that Elizabeth will be essentially gone and Carson has been killed off and the show is being retooled as SG-1 in the Pegasus galaxy. Fans of the Elizabeth-John relationship, the most popular heterosexual ship on the show, will know their ship is finished. Why would they keep watching?
Frankly, bringing Sam to Atlantis is a very risky move. Although a lot of the online fans like her, there is a considerable portion who actively and vehemently dislike the character. As one of the previous posters mentioned, at a convention in the UK, the decision to bring Sam to Atlantis actually caused the audience to boo when this was brought up by David Hewlett. Of course, many Atlantis fans are dismayed by these plans to create Atlantis SG-1.Posted by: Amy | Feb 21, 2007 6:26:08 PM
As a casual viewer, I am very off-put by the changes to Atlantis. Killing off Carson was utterly pointless. My daughter laughed at the ridiculousness of the plot.
So by being rid of the two characters on the show who are not walking, talking cliches (Dr. Beckett and Dr. Weir), fans are supposed to believe this is going to make the show more character-centric? Where will the characters my children and I actually care about (especially Dr. Beckett, who is our favourite -- or rather was until he was wastefully killed off) be?
There are other shows on opposite Stargate Atlantis. Other science fiction shows, at that. I'm not sure what my children and I will choose to watch on Friday nights when the new season of Atlantis rolls around, but somehow I doubt we'll be future viewers.
What a very foolish man you are, Joe Malozzi. To come out in an open forum and tell the people who you rely on to keep the show on the air, the fans, that our concerns over cast changes mean nothing to you.
Perhaps you're saying that, in the hope that if we believe our letter writing campaigns will change nothing, then we'll stop and you can go back to burying your head in the sand and telling yourself that you have a great show here that is perfect.
Your comments about the fans are, and have always been, pompous and arrogant in the extreme. Thank goodness the actors have some respect for us and realize that if it weren't for the fans, Stargate Atlantis would no longer be on the air.
Think about that next time you are asked for comments, Joe. I, for one, am close to never watching the show again, and not just because of the deceitful way the fans were treated over Beckett's death, but because I don't think I can stand to watch anything that you're involved with.
You should be grateful. I'm one of those lowly fans you could, apparently, do without.
Just a quick response to this quote from a post above...
"Take, instance, Dr. Weir. For me, she is by far the weakest character on this show. She may be 'the heart and soul' of Atlantis, but I find her ineffective. TPTB have told us of her skill set, but rarely use it or have things go awry when she does. She's the administrator, a Hammond-like character and has been since day one. I'm totally on board with her status as recurring next season. I've seen her compared to President Roslin on Battlestar Galactica, which I have to say in my opinion is wishful thinking on the part of fandom. "
The reason why Weir (or any character) is pereceived as weak is due to bad writing. Pure and simple. It's very very doubtful that the writers will suddenly become fantastic and write incredible indepth dialogue for Weir (recurring) or Carter (who will undoubtedly be just doing technobabble).
Fans can take potshots at TPTB just as TPTB take potshots at the fans (you need to really see all of what Mallozzi has posted over the years;) - that's the way it is with every show. This kind of behavior didn't start with online fans - people have been writing in to studios or calling networks since they figured out how to to do it.
I don't expect TPTB to cater to my every whim on the show, but I do expect them to earn their hefty paychecks and deliver as high a quality product as they're capable of. If all they can churn out is copies of scripts taken from SG1, then it's time to step aside and give the job to someone with a passion for quality writing. Complacence in a job is fine if you're stacking donuts on a tray; it doesn't cut it with producing and/or writing a television show.Posted by: Elyse | Feb 21, 2007 7:10:25 PM
Personally, I've enjoyed every year of SG1. The characters have proven to be interesting, the story lines creative, and all though it will be missed, I don't mind seeing it end. After ten years of the 'gang', and having all but the most recent on dvd, I can fondly wish the actors well and say thanks.
But, as for SGA, I'm concerned. The amount of animosity between viewers and written comments from members of the powers that be, the turmoil is becoming a 'turnoff' for lack of a better word. The continual character changes and/or threat of character changes leaves the show feeling slightly off kilter. The extended break without the reshowing of episodes, along with the strange delay in the release of Season 2, has fans wondering what has become of the show.
It is foolish to think that the majority of viewers haven't seen the episodes only aired in Canada. It is already known what is going to happen, spoilers have been leaked since day one from various sources, and all you have to do is tap in on the web for an update.
If the powers that be actually take the time to read comments such as these, would they please consider that the fans are the ones that are willing to wait over extended breaks for new episodes, that the fans will purchase the dvd and attend the cons, and that the fans continual support is needed to keep the program on the air.
Neither side appears happy. Perhaps if both honestly look at all the pros and cons, acceptable changes could occur to make the show better, stronger, faster... You get the picture.
In two weeks I'll purchase Season 2. Season 3, if it ever makes it to market, will also be added to my collection. Comments given in advance about Season 4 leave me nervous and it comes down to 'wait and see'.
My only other final comments are that I truly enjoyed the character of Carson Beckett and will very much miss seeing his addition to the show. The warmth and individuality is a rare find in most dramas. And as for the possible departure of Elizabeth Weir (unless it is Ms. Higginson's desire to leave the program), that is troublesome at best. As much as I enjoy the performances by the women who are coming as new additions... square pegs...round holes.Posted by: Jen | Feb 21, 2007 7:22:01 PM
So what he is saying in his last comment. Don't think or care about the show and it changes swallow what we throw at you and keep the ratings up. Stupud fans that we are we would not understand the complicated mind that is him.
Thankfully I don't have to watch and I won't. They killed the show for good this year with the death of Carson. And I know I am not the only one who thinks that way. At work I have two mates who are watching the show as well after I told them what would be happening (okay..after 3 minutes of swearing that I wasn't lying that YES Carson is actually offed by and eyploding tumour) They decided that they would no longer watch SGA as well.Posted by: Tuards Phex | Feb 21, 2007 7:22:37 PM
In response to Susan Malcolm, it reminds me of some icons that are going around livejournal in relation to TPTB.
Season 1: TPTB
Season 2: TIIC
Season 3: TPWKTS
For the uninitiated, that's going from The Powers That Be, to The Idiots In Charge, to The People Who Killed The Show in three simple steps...
They can laugh at us and snub their noses at us all they like. We have the last laugh as the consumers. I'll watch only the episodes that Torri is in and if, as rumored, that's only four episodes, so be it. They can find someone else to boost their ratings in my place for the rest of the season.Posted by: cassidy | Feb 21, 2007 10:05:59 PM
Well well well. Nice one Joe. Way to win people over. Can someone tape his mouth shut, because every time he opens it, he insults fandom.
I've never come across anyone else in charge of a TV show who's done that. What is he thinking? I'm not a huge fan of the show. I can take it or leave it. But I love my Shep, and will watch it for him.
BUT I understand the concerns of all the Carson and Elizabeth fans. If Shep was being dumped to recurring (highly unlikely, I know) I'd be writing letters in support of Joe Flanigan, just like they are for Torri and Paul.
Good work to both Torri and Paul. Your amazing contribution will be missed.
To Joe Mallozzi, seriously, dude, it's time to take some lessons in humility, self control and anger management.Posted by: shepfan | Feb 21, 2007 10:10:04 PM
I don't hold out much hope for Stargate Atlantis based on what Mallozzi has been saying. The "soft reset" that's been spoken of recently seems to be more like a big bang, which will result in the cast we know and love being increasingly marginalised to bring in people TPTB think will bring in an audience.
Of course the wonderful Paul McGillion and his sweet character Carson is expendable. So too, it seems is the fabulous Torri Higginson and the character that's the conscience of Atlantis, Elizabeth.
From the very beginning, the most interesting thing about Atlantis (at least to me) was that it was different to SG1. It had a different enemy, it had a wonderful mix of military, civilian, scientist... Well, say goodbye to that, with the exception of McKay. Elizabeth and Carson, the only truly 'civilian' characters in the main cast aren't needed any more.
That's sad. It's making SGA a clone of its big brother/sister show (TPTB, being TPTB, would certainly think of it as a brother, I'm sure, being so male and blokey as they are) They can't even come up with original ideas anymore. So many SG1 stories have been rejigged to fill up seasons of SGA that it's pathetic. These guys are being paid the big bucks to have great story ideas, and they're rehashing. And to make up for that, they then go and off wonderful characters, and rehash Carter right into a 14 episode deal on SGA.
I don't want Carter there. I can't stand the thought of her with McKay. The two of them make me want to scream at my TV. I was well and truly over Carter by series seven of SG1. I'd be happy never to see that character again, outside the SG1 movies, should I choose to watch them (which is unlikely)
You know what, Mr Mallozzi? Don't listen to us. That's your perogative. But it's our perogative to laugh in your face when this stupid experiment fails and ratings plumet. Good luck making up for the loss of Carson and Elizabeth fans. You'll need it.Posted by: Alyse | Feb 21, 2007 10:21:29 PM
I'm stuck for words after reading the above interview with Joseph Mallozzi, and that's unusual for me.
I can't believe that anyone in the media can be so ignorant as to believe that fans don't make a difference. We do. We can switch off our TVs. We can choose to watch something else. We will do that, too, if you keep dumping our favourite characters.
In his blog, Joe talks about some show from the BBC that kills off characters all the time, saying how awesome it is. So which show are you copying? That one, or SG1? Because you know, killing off Doctors for cheap ratings seems to be part and parcel for you people at Stargate cenral, and you never offed this many characters this early on in SG1.
SG1 was axed due to poor ratings. Let it sink in. Repeat after me. SG1 is gone. SG1 is gone. SG1 is gone. Okay, there'll be movies, I'll give you that, but the bottom line is, SG1 in its episodic form is history. Atlantis was spared from the gallows, but for how long? If you bring in SG1 characters (Carter, and it's also said that Teal'c will be in series four for at least one episode) how well do you think that'll last? There was a reason SG1 didn't rate towards the end. It's the absence of Richard Dean Anderson. The rest of the cast couldn't carry the show without him. What makes you think that adding one to SGA for 14 episodes will help Atlantis?
Ugh. I give up. Goodbye SGA, hello Heroes for me.Posted by: Leisa | Feb 21, 2007 10:35:45 PM
You know, Joe, you're right. The fans don't matter. It's only a TV show, for cryin' out loud. So when a show that once had the ability to captivate me as a viewer starts to fall apart at the seams -- sprouting plot holes with the sucking power of black holes -- and the executive producer of said show shows himself to be so arrogant and stupid as to think that (1) people haven't already SEEN the episodes and that (2) the fans are mindless lemmings whose opinions of the show don't matter, you know what? I can think of a lot of other things to do besides watch TV.Posted by: AsloWhite | Feb 21, 2007 10:50:21 PM
To Linda B, let's see how you feel next season when they decide to replace Teyla with Vala. Trust me, she'll be next on their chopping block. Sheyla goodness abounds? As if. They hardly have any scenes together.
Fact of life: No ship is going to come to fruition on this show. Joe Flanigan has even said he doesn't want it to. He's the star. I'm pretty sure he'd have some say in that. However, by getting rid of of the female characters people ship his character with in fanfiction, etc, you're going to find people will stop watching. That's detrimental for the show longterm, the same as losing Teyla would be, the same as losing which ever character they're slashing him would be.
Bottom line, without the cast in its current form, viewers will stop watching.Posted by: juanita | Feb 21, 2007 10:55:10 PM
Joe you rock…huge fan of both SG1 and SGA
Anyway please please continue to do what you think will be right for the benefit of your show; and you know what if it ends up possibly not being the best decision for the series then SOOOO what; it is after all your vision…your baby; if, where you’ve chosen to take SGA does turn out to be a misdirection (which I very much doubt) then big deal…you learn and you move on; it’s call trial and error.
As for many of the viewers/fans of SGA, for them to dictate to you what they believe will be best for it is downright obnoxious and over indulgent; which is why in the end, it’s best you and the others follow your gut…if not then you’ll be pulled in way too many other directions trying to placate to the many different requests from said fans; You can’t satisfy all of our wants...you know you’ll never ever be able to make everyone of us happy--it’s just unrealistic; and unfortunately it's a given in your line of business.
A perfect example of why you’ll never be able to satisfy all of your fans demands has to do with the character Weir.
TPTB has chosen to have her as a recurring character for season 4 …many patrons of hers find this unacceptable…an outright foolish move; well, lets say TPTB cowers to the fans outcry against making Elizabeth recurring, next thing you know you’ll have the fans who wholeheartedly believe she should be romantically paired with Sheppard ( because it’s what’s best for the show *rolls eyes* ) breathing down you and the higher ups necks chewing your head off about making the two official; in any case, what if the you all decide that pairing is not a direction you want to take, well then you can definitely expect you’ll have almost every fan in favor of this pairing coming out of the wood work threatening to abort watching the show if you and the others don’t cave in to those demands also…and you know that this is exactly what will occur; from what I’ve seen written on your blog regarding it it’s certainly a given.
It’s a vicious cycle that’ll never end; which is why what ever decision is made for the show should ultimately be made according to what you believe will be best.
On an end note, I’m quite sure with the changes being instituted and the writers no longer being split between penning for two shows allowing for more quality in writing, new fans will be drawn in; as for me, no matter what’s decided I’ll certainly keep watching as well as the many devout fans who won’t allow any of these adjustments to turn them away.Posted by: Britany | Feb 21, 2007 11:02:02 PM
So the writers and producers of SGA want to sink Atlantis to the bottom of the ocean again? Well, I reckon they've picked a surefire way to do it. Just remove and replace surefire popular, well-loved characters with actors from other shows, and above all pay no attention to what the audience wants to see. Yep, that oughta do it.Posted by: Annie | Feb 21, 2007 11:10:34 PM
So what we can see? A huge ocean of CONTRA-comments with a small river of PRO-comments. Mallozzi's words were like a spit in our soul. I agree with most of the commenters that WE DON'T NEED AMANDA TAPPING IN SGA. This is a spinn-off, it should have it own cast, it own script. It is a BIG, no HUUUGGEEEE mistake to add parts of SG-1 to SGA. If Mallozzi wants to add SG-1 fans, no problem. Throw off all characters and replace them with "original cast". I have nothing against adding characters, but I'm absolutelty disagree with killing. Yes it is real, people dies. At least a dozen of people died when I was typing my comment. But who wants this realism. I don't want it. Or maybe it is real, that 20-years old girl becomes a CHIEF-MEDICAL-OFFICER? Huh? Or is it real, bomb blows up not when doctor cut it off, but when he gave it to a military-guy? I don't think so. We are tired of this kind of realism.
It is no need to describe our feelings and our emotions about Elizabeth Weir and Carson Beckett. Read gateworld's forum threads about them or www.savecarsonbeckett.com or www.saveelizabethweir.com. It is no need for that.
Posted by: Vladimir Krasnoshekov | Feb 22, 2007 12:52:57 AM
After all we don't ask much. Return Carson. Reestablish Weir. And hire good scenarists. It that too much to TPTB?
I have an idea. Instead of killing off characters. Lets get rid of some writers. Maybe the writing is the problem here.
Personally, I was very sad when Carson was offed. Stupid Stupid mistake.
We need more great episodes like Sateda, Common Ground, and Echoes. Sateda and COmmon Ground were pure action. Loved it. KEEP BINDER. Heck, let him write the rest of the show. & Please. Please. Coming from a guy---Can we stop with the "SHEYLA" The two have no Romantic chemistry. I for one am tired of this "ship" being pushed at me when I DON'T see it. At all. If the writers are dead-set and want a ship that badly.. can we pick something that works? Ronon and Teyla have some great scenes--Why don't you try pushing that. Lets keep Sheppard single and doing what he does best. Taking care of business. More action and MORE great witting. I'm here to be entertained not bored.
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I'm traveling on Thursday and Friday and don't know if I will be able to read and post comments much at all. I have to read each comment before it's posted, but I won't have much time to do so on those days (Feb. 22-23). So if you do post, there may be a long time gap between when you post and when you see your comment.
If what you were going to say is very similar to something that is already posted here, perhaps you could consider not posting a comment (sorry, I just won't have a lot of time to approve comments til early next week). But of course you are free comment if you have something new to add. Thanks.Posted by: Mo Ryan | Feb 22, 2007 1:46:50 AM
Yeah. I agree. Let's get rid of some writers the same way they done with Carson Beckett. But in reality!!!!!
There's a reason the Stargate franchise is sinking, but it's never the writing or producing, is it? It's the lack of promotion, or stupid fans with issues who won't shut up and just plop down in front of their televisions to watch whatever personal fantasies Mallozzi and Co. want to throw at us each week. It's shrill fans who don't appreciate watching their family's favorite character splatted all over the screen for shock value and a one-off ratings boost. It's hand-wringing fans who don't appreciate fine actors and actresses being canned for no other reason than they're not young and female or their characters aren't fossils from a canceled show. It's undesirable fans who don't fit the obvious demographic of either "SG1 fan only" or "Young, male, and easily appeased by perky young actresses and CGI and BOOM!"
Go ahead and ignore all those groups of fans, Mr. Mallozzi. Write and produce the show you and the rest of your oxygen-deprived writing/producing cabal want to see. Just don't come back and blame the fans when it finally becomes obvious even to you that what you want to see is nothing the rest of us want to watch.Posted by: Lisa | Feb 22, 2007 2:09:01 AM
come on TPTB! let's stop consider us as kids! if you keep up this way or telling us what we have to do, you are YET killing the show off!
By making "disappearing" (as you said)Carson and hurting very bad Liz Weir, you have signed a since the half of season 2 the death sentence of the show.
Don't tell us what we have to do or not have to do, because without US, you're nothing and the show is dead, so or you change your way to see things in a show or there'll be no show anymore!
I'm too frankly because TPTB are not respectful towards us.Posted by: elodie | Feb 22, 2007 2:38:01 AM
Mikey, ditto on Binder. The man knows how to write. He's the only one who writes realistically for the female characters, and Torri herself has said how much she loves a lot of his work.Posted by: cassidy | Feb 22, 2007 6:18:17 AM
Coming from a guy---Can we stop with the "SHEYLA" The two have no Romantic chemistry. I for one am tired of this "ship" being pushed at me when I DON'T see it.
What!!!I don’t see anything regarding John and Teyla being forced. They’re hardly ever on screen together for me and I’m sure many others to see this; and this is coming from someone who’d prefer no romance on the show AT ALL. Where the heck do you see this, because if anything I’d have to say it’s the other way around with Weir always giving Shep lustful looks…which in my opinion kind of makes them the forced ones…well not necessarily since Sheppard seems to be oblivious to her in that aspect.
Now onto the topic at hand, I like Weir and would like to see her remain, but that is if and only if she’s given a backbone; there’s a previous post commenting on SGA being a fluff fest, well I’d have to agree to this, because I think much of it’s due in part to Weir not coming across believable enough as leader of this expedition; despite the fact she’s acquired the experience necessary for the position, she still comes across as very much out of her league; she always looks (and this is even when she tries her best to come off hard core) overwhelmed and frightened in calamitous situations. She’s not impressive what so ever as a leader, and that really irks me to no end.
I, however, think if the writers would start writing her as less of a mother hen, as someone’s mentioned previously, I’d have no problem with her remaining a regular character; in fact, I'd be in total support of her. If they can’t do this for her then I certainly have no problem seeing her leave the show.Posted by: Bradon | Feb 22, 2007 10:38:24 AM
Really looking forward to the changes in season four. Weir was appalling as a leader and I am glad to see her go. She is definitely the weakest of the SGA characters and the most effective of all the characters. Torri was completely miscast for the role and I am looking forward to seeing a more grittier and edgier season four. Great news about being more character driven and giving equal character development. McKay did get his fair share in season three - so it will be great to see the others getting more character moments too. Looking foraward to having more focus on the team as they are the highlight of the show for me. Sad to see Carson go but even Paul McGillion understood that this is a business and sometimes harsh decisions have to be made. A shake up will be good for the show and I'm looking forward to seeing what tptb have in store for us.Posted by: Ocean | Feb 22, 2007 3:32:48 PM
Go re-watch some episode. & you will see what I mean. Maybe its some of the shippers who make me notice it. But it's there...or should I say LACKing OF. Since I don't think they should push the two. Sheppard/Weir yeah, but at least the two actors aren't forced into it. They are playing off eachother's chemistry.
--oh who cares. Just let it END. -_-; More action. lolPosted by: Mikey | Feb 22, 2007 6:38:16 PM
Oh come on, who doesn't know that replacing original cast members with sexy voluptous ones is a last ditch effort to boost ratings, and this show is heading for the television wasteland called 'cancellation'. Atlantis was always the crappy spinoff of SG1, vampiric insect aliens, c'mon... The more I watch it, the more tragic it becomes, it's like a bad ep of Star Drek Voyager... hmm... Amanda tapping-7of9
Asurans-borg, Teyla-nelix, Mkay-doctor, Ronon-torres... heck, even the technobabble is getting as bad as voyager... and the endless search for ZPMS- (voyager-home) [even if they NEVER are able to keep them in use]... Like someone says, give it 1 or 2 seasons max, then bye bye Atlantis...
Joe Mallozzi has basically made a liar out of himself by confirming that Amanda Tapping will be in the opening credits of season four. That's not the domain of a recurring character. It's a position that's given to a regular character.
Whose spot will she take? Will she come number two after Joe, thereby taking Torri's place? Will she get the prestigious "also starring" last spot, displacing David Hewlett? Or will she boot Joe out of top spot? Now that would really get the fans angry! (as if the rest of it hasn't already)
These people couldn't lay straight in bed. Let's look at some statements:
Amanda Tapping will be recurring, and will appear in 14 episodes.
Okay, maybe she's not in all of them, but Paul McGillion was in 15 as a regular character in season two... so what's the difference between regular and recurring? One episode?
Amanda will be recurring, but she'll be in the opening credits.
Again. That says regular to me.
Torri will be part of a character arc...
Yeah, but they can't tell us yet how many episodes she'll appear in. It's in a "state of flux". Amanda gets 14, Jewel gets 8, Torri gets "a state of flux".
Sam will play a supporting role in the leadership lineup...
But rumor has it Torri will be in anything from as little as two to as 'many' as six. Doesn't seem like she'll be supporting Elizabeth in the leadership role, does it?
I hope this show gets axed. It seems to me that too many of the people in charge are taking too much notice of all the praise that's been piled on them over the years. It's gone to their heads. What they don't realize is that the actors are the most valuable comodity they have. These are the people who are so gracious and so polite and so giving to the fans when we meet them at conventions.
TIIC need to take a good hard look in the mirror, and then actually go to a couple of conventions to see how their actors do them proud, dumped or not. Torri and Paul have been nothing but professional and respectful to TPTB. These are good people who don't deserve to be screwed over. I for one will support them and find something else to watch.Posted by: Catriona | Feb 23, 2007 7:51:49 AM
We needn't be worried??
Dude, you already killed Carson, remember?
It's also a fact that Torri Higginson will be demoted to recurring status while Amanda Tapping will be a REGULAR (oh, you lied to us again, look at that.)
Joe Mallozzi, I cannot believe how ARROGANT you are. And this isn't only my opinion. You and your dreadful decisions turned me away from my favourite show, I will no longer continue watching.
(And 6 out of 10 of my friends who are also SGA fans won't continue watching, either, with the rest being less than amused)
If you want to make this show just to please yourself, fine. But do it without us, the "fans".Posted by: Jules | Feb 23, 2007 9:25:05 AM
Letters don't matter... but ratings, merchandise and DVDs do. Probably because they pay for the bricks to build TPTB's high towers from which we shrill and ill-informed lemmings look more like ants, apparently.
JM, I am going to wait and see. However, should our darkest fears be well-founded, I'm also going to turn off. That includes abysmal and unwarranted treatment of well-loved characters. Honestly, the standard of writing for female characters, reminiscent of a teenage boy writing a Xena fanfiction, has already dented my interest in the show. I suspect I won't be the only one. TPTB will then discover that while they don't listen to loud fan reaction, they can't ignore the vast silence when the fan base vanishes along with their pay cheques.Posted by: kales | Feb 23, 2007 9:37:45 AM
Change can be good for a show. If done correctly it can bring fresh dynamics that enhance a show's existing cast chemistry and established plot lines.
My hope is that TPTB do a better job of handling the changes to SGA in season 4 than they did of integrating new cast members into the 9th season of SG1. Claudia Black, Ben Browder and Beau Bridges are three highly talented actors who's ample abilities were wasted rather than celebrated.
Hopefully only having one show to focus on will help improve the writing and overall direction of SGA. Otherwise Sci-fi fans will once again be mourning a show that's demise had more to do with inept corporate leadership than with lack of creative concepts and strong acting. (i.e. The SciFi Channel's cancelling of FarScape.)Posted by: Kate | Feb 23, 2007 2:39:27 PM
Goodbye Stargate: Atlantis. It's been nice knowing you for three years.. For me, you end here. In the season where Torri Higginson was respected enough to actually get some wonderful character development episodes, and the dear, sweet Carson was still alive.
For me it comes down to trust and loyalty.
Joe Mallozzi and his friends have blatantly lied to us about Amanda Tapping being recurring. She's a regular, people. Why else would she be in the opening credits with 14 episodes?
Torri is history. Someone on Gateworld said last year that she had "inside information" that Torri was 'toast' in season four. This has been planned for a long time as a way of making room for the producers' pet Amanda Tapping, and all that while, Torri has been turing in wonderful performances, while also winning over fan after fan at every convention she attends. I think it's safe to bet that there's no fan who's ever met this woman who doesn't love her. She's genuine and funny, honest and humble. Everything that TPTB are not.
Paul McGillion we had word about from someone whose relative was an extra in an episode with a coffin draped in a Scottish flag. We knew he was dead. We protested his death. But still Joe Mallozzi and the rest of the inner sanctum insisted that we were overreacting, and that we'd feel better once we saw the episode. Another lie. How can we feel better when our favorite character is killed by an exploding tumor?
These people don't want us to watch. They want SG1 fans to watch. They want to be so cool and such a cult show that they have a small audience that worships their every move instead of a larger audience that questions their decisions and tells them when they're doing something wrong. And what they've done is wrong. What kind of idiot thinks that by killing off popular characters they're going to get more viewers? Is that just the dumbest thing you've ever heard? Especially for a show that only just escaped cancelation? You might get more people to tune in for one episode, but they're going to abandon the sinking ship quickly when they realize that that character is gone for good.
Why not tell the truth and say "Paul and Torri are fine, but we wanted to put in some hot chicks [words removed]. That way the teenage boys will watch". Teenage boys don't get you advertisers, guys. They don't have the money to spend. You'll find that real men (the ones who DO have a decent sized disposable income) would much rather look at an intelligent, complex, beautifully acted character like Elizabeth Weir than Super Sam or the female version of Doogie Howser.
You need only look to Gateworld to see just how huge the opposition to these changes is. There are so many threads where people are angry and debating whether or not the show has jumped the shark. There's a Save Carson Beckett thread. A Save Elizabeth Weir thread. There are numerous threads questioning whether TPTB have any idea what they're doing.
These changes show they're either panicking and trying anything they can to grab ratings, or they really are dumb and think they can afford to alienate a huge section of the Atlantis fandom in the hopes of gaining a few SG1 fans.
You don't boost your ratings by losing fans. Any idiot can tell you that. You guys couldn't organise the proverbial in a brothel. Heaven only knows what you're doing in charge of a TV show.
Of course there is always the third option when it comes to why these decisions are being made: they don't want Atlantis to succeed. They're so annoyed by the cancelation of their "golden child" SG1 that they're taking it out on the spin off.
Either way, the audience deserves better than to be lied to and told their concerns are of no consequence.Posted by: Allison | Feb 23, 2007 2:55:50 PM
SGA already dumped a very loveable character in Beckett, now they are casting off Elizabeth Weir, a civilian woman in a position of leadership. Who are they keeping? The alien native, Teyla, who prances around half-dressed and does nothing but fight and shoot guns. Come on, can we have a woman in charge who isn't violent? Carter is from another show entirely and, again, is military, shoots guns, kills, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, let's dump the female character who is a good influence on young girls to go into science and politics, and let's showcase women's breasts and sweaty fighting ability. Sorry, I'm changing shows!Posted by: Wendy | Feb 23, 2007 4:09:39 PM
SGA season 4 is gonna pwn no matter what those uninformed lemmings think.Posted by: Jarmen Kell | Feb 23, 2007 7:28:02 PM
Can I get a Hell Yeah! Bring on season 4 and the Sheyla!!!! These two have chemistry like WOW!!Posted by: Penny | Feb 23, 2007 8:17:34 PM
Hey all ime a SGA and sg1 watcher
my concerns about this is WTF first the kill of ford then carson and now torri???
great why dont you yust cancel the show allready its not like anyone wil even watch it afther its done
and even so if carter is comming to SGA why??
afther 10 years nearly 11 hasent she been on enough stargate????(no offence to carter tho)
You know what the biggest problem with the SGA PTB is? They're living in the past.
They believe that scifi is the domain of nerdy young boys who are real life Rodney McKays, but want to be John Sheppards. That's why McKay is always the smartest -- it's to appease their inner highschool geek and prove that yes, the smart boy can win and always be right. That's why Sheppard attracts all the cute alien chicks. So that the nerdy writers can live out their highschool fantasies through their hot looking hero. It's also why these two are untouchable to TPTB.
It's why the female characters are judged on their bust size instead of their value to the overall plot. That's why a t-shirt, jeans and minimal makeup girl like Torri is history, and Amanda Tapping -- she of the virtually nude photo with the American flag draped around her, displaying her assets, is in. You've all seen the photo. You know the one I mean. Sex sells. You don't see Torri doing photo shoots like that. Maybe she should. Perhaps if she did, she'd still have a regular job. Then again, it's not who she is, and she's not the type to sell out, from what I can see.
What TPTB need to realise is that at least 50 percent of the audience is female. The majority of the audience also is definitely not teenage, no matter which gender you look at.
Joe Mallozzi is now saying that the decision was made to change the status of Weir, and then they decided to go with Carter joining the cast. Well, the decision to dump Weir must have been made some time ago, because there's been talk of Carter doing some cross-over episodes for a long time now. How long were they plotting to get rid of Torri, and Paul for that matter, before they did it? What an awful environment to work in. And how destabilising it must be for the other actors. My bet is that Rachel will be the next to go, when they decide that Claudia Black is hotter, and they MUST have Vala in their new lineup.
SGA is going to be a shadow if its former self, and I for one am left feeling extremely demoralised about the whole business. Knowing what they've done to Paul, knowing how hurt he was by their decision to kill him off for a cheap, one-off grab at ratings has left a bad taste in my mouth. Knowing that they're on the verge of doing the same thing to Torri and our protests and defence of her can do nothing to stop them makes me feel even worse.
I'd say that I regret spending three years on this series, except that I've discovered some wonderful, talented performers in Torri Higginson, Joe Flanigan, David Hewlett and Paul McGillion. I'll always thank them for their fabulous effort, and I'll always see them as the strongest SGA lineup ever, even if the show runs 10 years and ends up with Ben Browder and Beau Bridges at the helm instead of Joe Flanigan and Torri Higginson. (Highly unlikely. I see the grim reaper coming for SGA at the end of season four. It'll be interesting to see who will hire Mr Mallozzi then, given his history of provoking and alienating fans)
TPTB were handed an audience, made up of a lot of disgruntled SG1 fans who were over the original series and saw great potential in the spin off. They've now alienated a lot of us with idiotic and unneeded cast changes.
We're not stupid enough to believe that they were happy SGA was saved when SG1 was axed. We're not stupid enough to believe they really think offing Beckett was a good move ratings wise (there has to be more to that story... ) and we're not stupid enough to believe that Amanda Tapping wasn't approached before Torri was dumped to recurring.
They need to stop insulting our intelligence and just tell us the truth: that they want to bring SG1 back in the place of SGA.Posted by: Tessa | Feb 24, 2007 5:45:21 AM
I'm late coming to this, but I saw this particular statement from Mr Mallozzi, and had to comment:
"I think fans are needlessly worried. They read spoilers and get upset [before they see the episodes]. The heartache and the anger – fans would save themselves a lot of that if they would wait and watch the episodes. I’m sure they are already starting their letter-writing campaigns. But in our case, to be brutally honest, they don’t really have an impact on creative decisions.”
Dude, how dumb do you think we are? The season has finished in Canada. Lots of people have seen Sunday. This is the era of downloading, you know. That's part of the reason Scifi gets pathetic ratings. People have already seen the episodes as soon as they go to air in Canada. They know that about Carson's death by exploding tumor. You think that they would have not been worried if they'd decided to "wait and see"? How stupid to you think we are? We also know that Elizabeth isn't looking too good after being blown across the room in the season finale. So I guess we shouldn't be worried about that either, despite the fact that you've said that you can't figure out how many eps she'll be in, rumor has it it's going to be four (this has been going around for weeks now, and I've heard it from several different sources, some extremely reliable) which is just a pathetic waste of a wonderful character.
You seem to think that if we were just "smart" enough to think the way you do, that we'd suddenly think it's great that you're killing off our favorite characters. Um, I don't think so. We have minds of our own. We decide what we like or don't like and no amount of you saying "wait and see" is going to make us change our minds.
Let's see what else Mr Mallozzi has said:
"Mallozzi didn’t want to be specific about how Higginson and Tapping’s characters will fit into the command structure of the Atlantis expedition in Season 4, but he did say that Carter will provide “more of a support role.”"
So who's she supporting? Because we know that Weir's not going to be around for much longer. We might get a death rattle from her in the infirmary after a few episodes, but the character's too intelligent and not big enough in the [words removed] for you guys to see her as being of any value. So who's Carter going to be supporting?? Sheppard? Does that mean that he doesn't get to go offworld? Now that would be a wonderful way of iritating the Sheppard fans, so that they can see how we feel. Can you do that please?
What's next in the Mallozzi roundup? Oh, try this one for size:
"Carter’s background as an astrophysicist will mean that Rodney McKay (David Hewlett), the snarky in-house genius on “Atlantis,” will have another scientific brain to pick."
Ha! You think we'll believe that you're not going to have McKay dumbed down so your golden girl Carter can always be right? Because you know that Sam always has to be right. I hated Rodney on SG1 because of her. That was in the days when I actually liked the Carter character before she became a sappy, watered down version of the original. He already has Zelenka's brain to pick, by the way.
More Mallozzi pearls of wisdom:
"Asked whether any other cast members of “Atlantis” are leaving, he said, “stay tuned on that one.”"
Come on, we all know that you're offing Torri, too. The rumors have been around since October. Stop trying to underestimate our intelligence and pretending you don't know who's going. We all know you do.
Oh, and how's this little piece of insanity from Mallozzi:
"a lot of [stuff] is going to go down. Some fans will not like it, some fans will love it"
If that's not the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What kind of TV producer is willing to get rid of a bunch of fans, in the hopes of making a few others happy? That's stupidity, especially on a show that barely escaped the executioner last year.
This is a big risk that's being taken, and I'm pretty sure that it won't pay off.
Posted by: Mattie | Feb 24, 2007 6:21:01 AM
Interesting revelation from Mr Mallozzi following this article on his blog. While I harbour no ill will against Amanada Tapping, the fact she will be in the credits is a step too far. Only recurring? That lie insults my intelligence. No fan was foolish enough to think she would just get a 'supporting role'. That would not only be unfair to the actress herself, as a veteran of the franchise, but ludicous considering they're hoping her character 'draws in SG1 fans'. She cant do that in a supporting role. How dumb do these people think we are when they continuously contradict themselves so blatantly.
Paul McGillion was in 16 episodes in the first season, yet he was not in the credits. He only got 15 episodes in season 2 (1 less despite the promotion and half were 1 scene wonder moments) and a pathetic 13 in season 3. All this after being the ONLY character who gained main cast status through his POPULARITY. Yet they conveniently forget that when deciding to off the character. Shows they care NOTHING for the people who keep this show alive. And it goes to show what many fans believe, that the writers NEVER saw or treated his character as anything but minor and obviously got bored of writing for him. Short comings like that should lead to the dismissal of the WRITERS/PRODUCERS not the actor. The actors bring the characters to life, and we've seen these guys take sub-standard scipts and carry it enough to make a moderately entertaining episode. Its the ACTORS who have made this show a success. The ACTORS who have pulled the writers butts out the fire. Goes to prove how much you misjudge this by the appalling way you dismissed Paull McGillion as if his character was worthless. WRONG. That wee decision is coming back to bite you in the bum now isn't it gentleman? YOU may not listen to fan campaigns, but the poeple who pay YOUR wages, such as SCIFI might just listen when they find no one is watching the show they paid for!
I for one will no longer watch, buy DVDs or any other merchdise. Make it for yourselves TPTB, but be ready to pay for it when the fans no longer care and therefore, no longer PAY to watch your self serving ego trips.Posted by: TJ | Feb 24, 2007 6:27:02 AM
Wow! I'm wondering exactly how many of the melodramatic fanboys/girls posting about the perceived mistreatment of their beloved characters by the unfeeling idiots of TPTB have ever written anything more than a blog posting or wish fulfillment piece of fanfic? How many have ever actually been employed in ANY creative endeavor past a high school Drama Dept staging of "Grease?" Get a grip people! Be disappointed in the direction a show has taken and even stop watching if you don't like the show anymore, but stop your whining.
What is this show anyway, "Grey's Anatomy" or a daytime soap? It's SF, not Lifeline. You want a different kind of show? Write it yourself and try to sell it to a network. And as to the comments that TPTB don't pay attention to the wants and demands of their viewers...this isn't an interactive, audience participation format. This is a scripted drama that needs to be done professionally. Want to see what it would be like if the audience had a hand in what happens on the show? Imagine a thousand monkeys pounding on computer keyboards. It ain't gonna be Shakespeare, folks.
Finally, as to the comments by the Head Power That Be. It also ain't rocket science, pal. You need to maintain creative control over the production, but you don't have to act like the north end of a southbound horse. I've been there myself, and it's hard to wrangle a show from conception to birth, but alienating the people who vote with their eyeballs on whether you will be trusted with another project smacks of an ego that needs trimming. You can still do a producer's job keeping track of the bottom line, but don't mess too much with the creative side that drives the money into your pockets. Art doesn't have to conform only to the artist's taste. Artists need an audience that can appreciate, admire, and yes, buy, their art. Even artists need to eat. Cheers!
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." - Mark Twain -
Since Joe Mallozzi has refused to unscreen a comment I made on his blog, I thought I'd post it here. His decision not to unscreen it says to me that my argument is too rational for him to deal with. So, here it is:
"I doubt you'll tell us, but I'll ask anyway.
You said in your previous entry that a decision was made about Weir and then Amanda was approached. Why did you decide that something needed to be 'done' with the character?
Go back and watch Before I Sleep, The Long Goodbye and The Real World and tell me there's something that needs to be 'fixed'. All I see is great stories, faultless acting, and a character who has amazing chemistry with all the others in the cast.
I know that you'll continue protesting your innocence in this matter and saying that we're insane to think there's anything below the belt going on, but my bet is that after season four goes to air, we'll be hearing stories from the wonderful Ms Higginson along the lines of what we've heard from Paul McGillion and Teryl Rothery: that they were all sat down and told that there was a need to shake things up for the sake of ratings, so their characters were being killed off.
Scifi fans aren't stupid. We're a bit more clued in about what goes on and how it works than the average fan. We're also too smart to be dictated to with the "wait and see, before you decide you don't like something" line. Joe, Carson's dead. What was it that made you think that waiting and seeing would make his fans like the decision? They're pissed off, and many of them are saying the only way they'll watch the show from now on is through downloading, so that they don't have to give you ratings. That's the ones who actually can be bothered watching at all.
You're heading for the same thing with Torri. She has a huge group of very, very loyal fans who will follow her any place she may go. She ends up on a show in LA? We'll watch that show, and say "screw SGA".
Your ratings grabbing efforts (which are ridiculous. How do you gain fans by alienating fans? Really, because if there's a way, I'd like to know...) will drive many, many people away.
And you know what? This constant "Oh it's the online fans who have a problem with the cast changes, the casual viewers don't or won't feel like that" is just plain dumb. I've worked in and around the media for long enough to know that for every one person who rings up with a complaint, about a hundred feel the same way, they just can't be bothered getting off their butts to call. Translate that to a TV show that's global, and you can probably multiply that by a couple of thousand -- possibly more.
Think about it."
I'm at a loss here. It seems people are willing to go as far as humanly possible - almost passed the point of human decency - to get their point across. Sad, really.
I don't understand why my fellow Stargate fans think it's so necessary to come here to a "mainstream" outlet, so the world can see what we all "truly" believe. It's malarky, really. All it shows is how some of us are taking our annoyance with the show too far.
I don't blame anyone for being royally pissed off, and I've had more than my fair share of issues with the show's producers (still do, in fact), but why is it so necessary to attack an actor? I don't get it.
I hope Torri Higginson has a place in the Atlantis franchise that is beneficial to her. I hope, if she's not in more than a handful of episodes next year, that she finds another fulfilling project. I, for one, will be sad to see her go.
The same goes for Paul McGillion. He was a welcome addition to the main cast in my opinion, and he'll be sorely missed as well. I don't understand TPTB's motives this year, but it's a shame they've done something so permanent with the character.Posted by: the dancer of spaz | Feb 25, 2007 7:39:38 PM
I have to wonder with so many posts here that are directed to Joe Mallozzi, why aren't they being posted on his blog. Why are they being posted on Ms. Ryan's blog.
I would also like to say that I agree with the dancer of spaz's above post.Posted by: LaCroix | Feb 25, 2007 9:00:01 PM
Many of the comments here are being posted on Mallozzi's blog. He's very selective with what he lets through, though. Mostly it's comments about food, and hero worship of all things SG1. He'll let through comments about Amanda, but very rarely will he answer anything about Torri or Paul.Posted by: | Feb 25, 2007 10:26:31 PM
I'm a SG-1 fan (S1-S8 only) and definetely a Sam fan, but I'll stop watching SGA next season. Actually that's a lie I might watch an odd episode recommended by someone on Gateworld, but I'll watch it through "other" means and won't buy the DVDs so basically no money from me JM. Hope you get fired if the ratings drop next season, but knowing you and your character from your blog you'll probably blame the lack of promotion and the shrill and mean-spirited lemmings...Posted by: ccdsah | Feb 26, 2007 8:30:37 AM
Mallozzi has said that Carter is in a support role on Atlantis. He didn’t say she would be leading it. He also didn’t say she would be replacing another character. I have heard fans express that because they were adding Carter they were diminishing Weir’s role. Thankfully Mallozzi has clarified this rumor in his blog to be untrue. From JM’s blog: "After a decision was made with regard to Weir, we entertained a number of possibilities - three in particular come to mind. In the end, we decided on Carter."
I’ll have to wait and see what they have decided for Weir in S4. We do know she will be there in some aspect. I like Weir and hope she remains!! I don’t think it has to be an either or situation. I don’t want to lose Weir or Beckett AND I am looking forward to Carter coming to Atlantis!! I understand fans frustration for the uncertainty on Atlantis. I have had my own frustrations with the franchise regarding some decisions made for SG-1. I think Carter’s military and scientific background allows her to interact with so many different characters on many different levels. Carter has prior experience and helped eliminate the replicators on SG-1, so I could see how this knowledge would be very helpful on Atlantis. I enjoy the Carter/McKay banter and I think Amanda and David have wonderful on screen chemistry together. I hope it’s not all McKay and Carter, while I do enjoy it, I am hoping Carter gets to interact with all the characters. I do hope to see Weir and Carter interacting. There are many possibilities…Carter could command her own ship, or be a part of Caldwell’s ship. I would like to see Caldwell and Sam butting heads occasionally. Carter could be on base helping Radek with a scientific project while Shep, McKay, Teyla, and Ronon are off base fighting the wraith. There are so many fun possibilities that I look forward to seeing Atlantis in s4.
It was a great show. But by loosing Beckett it lost some kind of, i don't know how to explain this...., some kind of a GOOD part of it. Interesting situation, He is a just a doctor. He is a life-saver. He is not the leader of expedition. By all "genre laws" he should be a reccurring star. But he becomes a main cast member by some reason (Michael, retro-virus). I thought, "It is great. This show becomes more scientific than military". Some time later, after watching the "Sunday" episode, I found that Carson have been replaced not by same-aged doctor, but a "hot chick",who was too youg to be a professional doctor, chief-medical-officer. As a regular doctor maybe, but nothing more. I haven't recognized Jewel State (after Mission Serenity). Yes, she can be good actress, smart, beautiful young woman (at least for me). But She cannot be a CMO (chief-medical-officer). She is toooo young, tooo "hot" for that job. As a Carson's companion, she will be great. Some time later, she CAN replace Carson (remember Babylon 5, season 5 or 4 where there was a woman who replaced Dr. Franklin, when he decided to return to Earth. For my shame, I don't remember her scenic and real name). I can agree with this kind of replacement, because it is more real for me.Posted by: Vladimir Krasnoshekov | Feb 28, 2007 3:09:17 AM
"Mallozzi has said that Carter is in a support role on Atlantis. He didn’t say she would be leading it. He also didn’t say she would be replacing another character. I have heard fans express that because they were adding Carter they were diminishing Weir’s role. Thankfully Mallozzi has clarified this rumor in his blog to be untrue. From JM’s blog: "After a decision was made with regard to Weir, we entertained a number of possibilities - three in particular come to mind. In the end, we decided on Carter."
Are you really, really that naive that just because he tells you that you believe him? This is the same man who's still saying that people need to "wait and see" when it comes to Carson, because they may be okay with how it turns out. We all know how that ended. Carson is dead.
Anything that's said at this point regarding Torri/Paul is damage control. They've alienated a bunch of fans, and they know it. People are getting annoyed about Amanda and starting to hate Sam, and they need to try to prevent it.
Do you believe everything a politician tells you? Because it's the same sort of situation with these people. They're trying to 'buy votes' or 'buy ratings'. They need to tell you something to make you want to watch.
So. Mallozzi's made an entry about the season four cast party on his blog.
Jewel Staite, who's doing eight episodes was there, but Torri, who's in an undecided number of episodes it seems wasn't.
They need to come clean with what they're doing with her. The fact that she's not there now, when they're about to go into production of season four, shows that she's not in the first of the episodes they're filming for a start.
I'm so angry about the way they've treated her. Her latest interview is so sad to read. She mentions the fact that she's loved working with people who've become her family and friends for three years, and she has no idea whether she'll be there next year (meaning this year)
These people are (to quote Joss Whedon) going to that special place in hell reserved for child molesters and people who talk in the movies.Posted by: kate | Mar 2, 2007 12:44:01 AM
I'm reading all of these negative comments and I just want to say shut up. If you hate what they're doing so much, why are you still watching it? Why even read this article if you hate him? I didn't like what they were doing with Carson anyway, and I'm going to reserve judgment on everything else until I, ya know, actually see the episodes. Maybe I'm just weird. I was upset when Jonas left SG-1, and I know how other fans are about that.Posted by: Leah | Mar 8, 2007 11:53:39 PM
i for one will watch the fourth season of SGA because i'm a huge fan of both stargate shows, and i'm not going to stop watching it because they kill off a character i like. i loved the character of beckett cause he's cool but they didn't say he couldn't come back,and iwould love to see amanda tapping on SGA. the only thing i hope is that daniel & vala will come to atlantis even for one episode. and maybe the third stargate series will bring back carson or elizabeth, but if it doesn't i don't think it's going to be the end of the world i like the characters but maybe there will come newer better characters, maybe they will bring ford back, who we didn't see in season 3, and who was a really cool character after he got hooked on the wraith enzymePosted by: steven | Mar 9, 2007 7:16:17 AM
First, I understand about Torri leaving the show. I liked her too, and her character. I, for one, would like to know how many epsiodes she'll be in as well.
Second, with Carter coming to Atlantis, wouldn't Rodeny be free to do more missions and stuff if there's still 2 "geniuses" in Atlantis (Zelenka and Carter). It may turn out to be a good thing.
I can understand being disgusted by recent changes, but how can you judge how a season will turn out when it hasn't even aired yet, much less been halfway filmed? IMHO, for true fans, it doesn't matter who's going to show up in what episodes- it's matter of how good the stories are and what the show leaves you with when it's done. If you watched a show solely based on actors/characters, then you're not *really* watching the show.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to season 4, and many, many more.Posted by: xnitexmarex | Mar 9, 2007 7:52:33 AM
Not much to say but, Weir sucks bring on season 4.Posted by: MoreThanOverrated | Mar 10, 2007 8:34:35 AM
At the moment I'm not sure about the changes, I we will see pro's and con's in the long run. I believe that Carter will mostly only be joining the show due to the fact that she is still under contract from Sg-1 to do so many more episodes and since the Sg-1 episodes are finished, the only option was to join Atlantis. This might be good because of the replicator arch in the show, since she is the one who has been developing the ARG and (might get this wrong) PWARG weapons which will be in season 4 as mentioned in the cliff hanger of season 3 (which is great).
The Producer mentions the new race will be in someway similar to races from Sg-1, the only races we haven't seen in comparison from Sg-1 would be the Tokra, Asgaurd, Tolan or the Ascen. Personally I would prefer them to come up with some original storys from now as we have seen way to many conversions of plots that even the characters comment on it now. That said I would like to see how Atlantis would handle the Ori.
I am more concerned that Sci fi will simply stop Atlantis just like Sg-1 and we haven't even seen the third spin off yet, which I believe will be based in the Ori galaxy since Sg-1 go there in the movie. I just hope it won't be another time travel thing like they have already done in Mobeius and will be doing the same story in the 2nd movie (I did like the episode I just don't see the point in making it over and over again).Posted by: Darren | Mar 10, 2007 2:41:20 PM
TBH i feel that the fans who are moaning about all the changes being made to the cast etc should stop moaning because IMHO brining in Amanda Tapping is a good thing, all the people who said in their comments that she cant act are idiots because tbh she wouldnt have lasted 10 seasons in SG-1 if she wasnt a gd actor (am i wrong?!). I must admit i was shocked when i heard that they were dropping carson from the team and that they would be killing him off but life goes on and i really feel that with the new changes to SGA and the series finale of season3 being so gd that season 4 is going to be worth sitting down infront of my TV for an hour a week and watching :)
I stopped watching SG-1 in season 9. Now the TPTB are trying to recreate it with season 4 of SGA. I don't like team episodes. I don't want to see a military show. I don't want to see SG-1 characters on SGA. Count me as one of the fans who will no longer watch anything Stargate created by this set of writers/producers.Posted by: | Mar 11, 2007 8:04:56 PM
Boy, I don't see how people are saying Weir is one of the most popular characters on the show. I'm looking forward to seeing Carter on Atlantis. Weir has been interesting at times but not for the most part. How they'll handle the McKay/Zelenka/Carter overlap will be interesting to see.
Plus, Weir's not gone forever. General Hammond wasn't in EVERY episode, and people liked him. Weir doesn't belong in every episode anyway.Posted by: Rich | Mar 12, 2007 3:51:47 PM
I think the Stargate formula makes it very difficult to find Elizabeth something to do all the time. I mean, this is basically about a team that goes on missions, so a lot of times they find a lame reason to give her a big role -- "You know, Colonel, I think maybe I'll come with you for no apparent reason."
Carson, it's even more difficult. How and why would there be a big role for the base doctor every week?
Basically, they should keep Torri on in the Hammond type role if she wants it, and they should never have made Paul a regular cast member.Posted by: Andy | Mar 13, 2007 3:34:17 AM
Atlantis was supposed to be different from SG-1.
Guess they changed their minds.Posted by: AtlantisFan | Mar 13, 2007 5:59:39 PM
I completely agree with Andy.
Though i still think atlantis will never be what sg-1 was.
I guess we have no choice but to hope atlantis will improve, which in my opinion will not be helped by bringing Amanda to atlantis in anything less than a lead role.
All we can do now is wait and see.Posted by: Erik | Mar 14, 2007 2:07:39 PM
When Carson died, the needs of showing medical emergency's died with him.
If Weir goes away, the needs of showing diplomatic and moral situations etc goes away with her.
Please leave the cast alone, they've started to grow on me.Posted by: Kristoffer | Mar 18, 2007 10:10:20 AM
OK, Firstly I do think is despicable that we as fans are not being respected, considering, like its been said may times, the only reason there’s people are still in jobs is because we watch the show and buy the merchandise. Allot of us (if not all) understand the show, we're not mindless lemmings. Disrespecting us is kind of like disrespecting your manager, it’s just not a wise move.
So remembering that when Daniel Left, he came back, don't dismiss the show because you’re unsure of how things are going to be played out. Not watching the show to get your own way is also not the best plan, as it will be cancelled before you get your own way. Casts changes happen all the time, some due to Family commitments(RickDeanAnderson), some due to wanting a change of career for a bit(MichealShanks)/permanently, sometime because the producers feel it would be in the best interest of the show(like with charmed and Shannon D). So cast change doesn't really worry me to much. Because I don't know how Paul was "let go" I can't comment, he may not have been treated fairly, but there are always going to be two sides to one story, but has a well loved person and there will be plenty of work out there for him, he has an amazing career ahead of him. with Torri, SHE may have asked to be in less episodes cause SHE wants to move on, again might not be there asking her to.
For all you people who are slating Amanda, you don't have a clue how things work, the writers and producers, for the most part decide who to bring in, which means they've gone to Amanda and asked her to do Atlantis, so don't drag Amanda into the centre of your moaning. she’s a wonderful actress and person and any of you keeping up with the news would know that she doesn't need any more disappointments and certainty doesn't need the snotty comments over half of you have made, because that makes you as bad as Joe Mallozzi, and since most of you have mentioned (including myself) how you disliked the remarks he’s made about the fans, you really shouldn't stoop to the level. Deal with the changes; it’s really not the end of the world.
I'm going to be watching Season 4 with great optimism, I’m hoping for the best, not going to make any decisions till it’s been on, but I do believe I at least will enjoy it, because I haven’t made my mind up based on the rumours a lot of you have heard. If you want any enjoyment out of life, Deal and move on, there are more important things in the world to focus your time on.
I agree with the very first comment, the show will NOT be the same without Elizabeth. And why in the WOLRD are they getting rid of Carson? I've always heard what a great chemistry Paul and David had (as friends/coworkers) why would they want to destroy that? This is absolutely terrible. Completely ridiculous. Point blank -- this sucks.Posted by: WeirFan | Mar 20, 2007 11:25:56 AM
I just posted a comment about Weir, but also wanted to mention that I am happy about the fact that Sam is coming over to Atlantis, I LOVE her character (and I happen to be a straight female), HOWEVER -- I would rather her not be brought on the show at the expense of other characters. This whole issue makes me very sad :( If you're going to bring her over at all -- bring her over to Atlantis and keep everything else the SAME.Posted by: CarterFan | Mar 20, 2007 2:26:21 PM
I agree that loosing carson was a sad part in the Stargate Atlantis series, but even so if one of the head characters had to die he would have been my first choice (exept maybe Ronon).
But Elizabeth is a very important person that holds the whole serie together. If they decide to remove her from SGA then they have only proven that they care nothing about their fans!
Long live season 1 and 2!Posted by: DUDESGA | Mar 28, 2007 1:35:18 PM
All the disgruntled comments, all the angst...
Change is inevitable, and I say any Stargate is good...
Relax and enjoy, and be happy that SG-A was renewed and still running, and that the SG-1 movies are coming out. Compared to the rest of the junk on TV, even the worst episodes of SG-A are good, with or without any single character.
Or you can keep complaining, quit watching, and kill the series for all of us.Posted by: Alien Feet | Apr 4, 2007 2:19:21 AM
I think it's unfortunate that Carson Beckett is being written out. He's such a lovable character. It's probably the third greatest injustice, after George Hammond and Janet Frasier.
My understanding is that Ford was dropped because Rainbow couldn't stay awake on set.
Jonas Quinn would have been back for more than just the one Season 7 episode, but when Corin Nemic showed up for "Fallout" he didn't know his lines.
My personal theory is that Narim was not killed in the Goa'uld attack on Tollana. He survived, somehow worked his way to Earth, and made a play for Sam Carter. He changed his name to something more earthling-sounding after Carter rejected him for Jack, and wooed another strong woman, Elizabeth Weir.
I don't particularly miss Martouf.
Amanda Tapping is in Season 4 of Atlantis because she had a two-year contract for seasons ten and "eleven" of SG-1. I love her on SG-1. I hope she fits in on Atlantis.Posted by: Mike Amling | Apr 6, 2007 1:11:24 PM
I love the idea of bringing SG-1 characters in Atlantis. I think Amanda Tapping will make a perfect role and I hope to see her in all 20 eps of season 5. I also hope they bring Claudia Black for at least an episode. Vala was my favorite character. She brought the sexiness and the humor that SG-1 lacked before. Too bad they cancelled it prematurely.
Jewel Stayte is also a good addition to the show, but Carson shouldn't have been cancelled. After all - the more, the merrier! Merge SG-1 and Atlantis, if you ask me! But, STOP REPEATING SG-1! It was so good when you only had the wraith and it was a good new show. But after the replicators, the doctor's death and this new race, that's been encountered in SG-1, all this is repeating the original, which makes AN EXTREMELY BAD impression. Please, stop repeating the stories already told and keep on with the Atlantis universe, it's good enough to be separate and not steal stories from SG-1. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't bring the actors of course, as mentioned above ;)
Oh, one more thing! My favorite character from Atlantis is Weir, so don't make her disappear either! Actually include her in more action, that's what I wanna see! And not on Earth, please, it's been done to death already!Posted by: Peter | Apr 12, 2007 2:24:57 PM
I have to say after reading these notes there are alot of very passionate people who EnJoy and believe in the Stargate storyline, both SG or SGA. I have to agree but also disagree on some points. We all like our characters and some are more important then others, but to keep a storyline fresh and interesting you have to try to the best of ones ability keep it real and real means death and change. It is not possible for things to stay the same, that can get boring. I'll agree the hero, like O'Neill ( two L's) and Daniel Jackson, and John Sheppard are needed but some other characters they do need to come and go. The Doc is a hard call I must agree, but Elizabeth coming in and out makes sense from a long view of a storyline. The same thing every week with the same people is hard to watch and write. Give the new ideas the writers have a chance. As long as they are not stupid and insulting to the viewers intelligence they are worth a look. Ones imagination has no bounds except for the bounds we make for ourselves.Posted by: Jean Hayward | Apr 18, 2007 9:33:42 PM
There's obviously a lot of bitterness here, albeit some of it warranted. I'm not resistant to all change on shows, it is inevitable, after all. I'm keeping an open mind about Season 4, and am excited for the new, potentially darker direction the show is headed (just don't make it BSG, guys!).
I share the fans dislike for Mallozzi, he's (as Martin Gero put it) "petty, arrogant, and bad with people." I wish some of the other, more down-to-earth and reasonable producers had been made the show-runners (either Gero or Binder). Still, I won't jump to conclusions based on his usual pot-stirring comments. Besides, bad Stargate is better than 95% of the other crap on TV, anyway.
As for the cast changes, Weir leaving is a bad idea. I preferred Jessica Steen in the role, but Higginson has been a strong emotional and humanistic presence on the show. Her departure leaves a gap that I don't think Carter is appropriate for. I think Sam is great, but she doesn't fit on SGA, unless she's in command and in a different role than on SG1. As a supporting character, it makes little sense, as McKay and Zelenka are experts in her field. Using her military and leadership skills would be a better idea.
I'm not going to spew venom like some commentators, but I don't approve of the reasoning of the higher-ups on SGA. They (read: Mallozzi) need some constructive criticism and a reality check. Retreading SG1 in more ways than one does not a good show make. With the parent show reduced, they should branch out more and further distinguish SGA from the SG1 universe. Instead of new or reused characters, try fleshing out the ones you have; and don't have deaths for ratings (Beckett/Fraiser). In short, do what your heart tells you, not what the bottom line says.
P.S.- Some of these attacks at Amanda Tapping are rather appalling. Some come close to calling her a no-talent whore, which is far from the truth and very insulting. I'm sure she's a lovely woman in person, and she is very grateful to her fans. These personal attacks are unfounded considering you don't know her personally.Posted by: ss2player | Apr 25, 2007 12:43:23 AM
Malozzi.... the thought of him being in charge makes me wanna barf, i mean who does he think he is! stating in all essence that the people reading the same interview are in no way able to effect change in his show, guess what, my T.V. has an OFF switch and i'm prepared to use it.
i agree implicitly with everyone who has said the same, and it is true that if we the fans STOP spending £60 (or relative in bucks) on box sets then they will have to look at what they're doing, and change to suit the fans, or just bin the whole series. I'd rather stargate died an honourable death than a long slow drawn out affair which leaves its fans hugely disappointed.
Posted by: Adam Fletcher | May 15, 2007 2:58:09 PM
Phantom menace anyone?
After reading all these comments, I wonder if these fans watch the same show I have been watching. While Torri Higginson is a fine actress,she's not the most important character on the show (that role is split between the acerbic McKay and the heroic Sheppard). And that's not really her fault; the writers never gave her much to work with. She's the equivalent of a General Hammond. Amanda Tapping, one of the more beloved characters on the original "Stargate" series, will be a nice foil for McKay, whose arrogance in his intellect is getting to be extremely dangerous. She also will work well with Sheppard, because of her military acumen and experience. When you consider that you have an intelligent, strong and capable woman, why shouldn't Amanda become the commander in charge at Stargate Atlantis? Yes, that leaves Torri out, but her character never did much. Again, I will reiterate that I consider that more the fault of the writers than the actress...Posted by: Dawn | May 20, 2007 2:13:03 PM
I love Dr. Weir, I don't want her cancelled!!!! Yes, she didn't do much and I always regreted it! I loved her much more than other characters I see all the time! My favorite episodes are the ones, where Weir has a central place. I love Samantha, but she could stay on Atlantis without replacing Weir! Weir should stay!!!
Also I love Vala Mal Doran. You think she could come on Atlantis too? Perhaps with Daniel :)
OK, actually I'd love a show with those characters: Weir, Vala, Daniel, Teyla and Ronon :) those are my favorites and I want a show, dominated by them! Also, bring the Ori to Pegasus and make more Wraith and Ancients episodes! No more replicators and Goaulds please!Posted by: Ivan | Jul 2, 2007 6:58:38 AM
I love Amanda Tapping in all of the SG1 series. Never watched very many SGA shows but learning Amanda will be in the show, I will surely watch.
Hey without Ga'oulds or those replicators there wouldn't be an SGA. :)
Just sorry SG1 ended. Great Sci fi series. Loved the cast, miss em.
Firstly, I love Atlantis, have from the start, and I thoroughly enjoyed SG1. For me though the two shows are seperate in terms of story arcs and characters. There's a completely different feel with SGA than there was with SG1, and that for me is a good thing. I wanted the two, to share some common ground (to turn a phrase), but I wanted them to remain seperate. I am not happy, and think to be honest that show was at it's best when it's cut off from its sister show. Crossovers (where plot allows) fine, not a problem. But, I don't want SGA turning into SG1 with the actors making an appearance on their because they're able. It's got to be productive to the story line. What i wouldn't want is for the writers/creators/producers to find storylines that fit with the SG1 cast coming over. SG1 have had ten great years. I would like SGA to be afforded that same opportunity. Do the changes worry me? Absolutely. I liked Beckett and Weir, and I like Sam as well. I don't presume to understand why things happened the way they did. Personally, I thought S3 was fabulous, and the character development was working, but yes we need me in that department. Of which i'm glad to see has been made a priority. I trust the producers/execs and writers to bring us something great to watch and escape for an hour a week, and hope that i'm not disappointed. So far they've been doing their job, and I hope that continues onwards from S4 to hopefully rival SG1's record.Posted by: Peggy | Jul 29, 2007 12:56:22 PM
I agree with many of you... adding Amanda Tapping on is a big mistake. From what I have seen from the previews; she's going to basically make Atlantis a military installation... something in which Dr.Weir had been selected specifically to prevent. Don't get me wrong, I had loved Tapping's character on SG-1... but it just doesn't fit in on Atlantis. They were doing perfectly the way it was... with Sheppard heading the military end, and Weir the civilian part. Not to mention, if Carter's a full Colonel, doesn't that mean she'll be able to out-rank Sheppard! Which will screw everything up. Sci-Fi, I believe you're making a big mistake with Tapping.Posted by: Megan | Sep 28, 2007 8:56:26 AM
like to know what all the people think about her joining the crew of atlantis now that they have seen a coupel of episodes especially u fools who thought it was a bad thingPosted by: michael | Nov 10, 2007 12:10:05 PM
I am new to the SG world. I only recently started watching SG-1 and when they killed off Fraiser I stopped watching. That was just horrible what they did to Teryl and her character (though the episode was a good one) I did start watching SGA but sporadically. I liked the Dr. Weir character and that carried over to the first 2 eps of season 4. I planned to become a regular viewer because of Amanda. But I stopped watching. Shortly after Weirs last episode. SGA to me is just dreadful. I felt no chemistry between the actors or the characters. For me it was just like watching people standing around reading scripts. The actors are wooden and stiff in every episode (as much of it as I could watch) I've seen and Sheppard and Mckay are possibly the two most obnoxious and irritating characters ever written. (My apologies to the fellow who plays McKay. He seems like a decent guy). Even Amanda isn't enough to keep me watching. Weir, I liked. Torri is a great actress and her character was likeable but there's just nothing that keeps me interested. Now having seen how this Mallozi guy talks to fans, I'm definitely off the SG bandwagon.Posted by: Karla | Nov 30, 2007 9:59:46 PM