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LeBlanc seeks, Manley tests Liberal support

BRIAN LAGHI AND OMAR EL AKKAD

From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 11:49 PM EDT 27/10/08

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  1. George Duncan from Canada writes: GOOD LUCK AND YOU WILL NEED A LOT OF IT! IF YOU BECOME THE SUCCESSFUL ONE AND OF COURSE THE LEADER YOU AND THE LIBERAL PARTY WILL GET SLAUGHTERED IN A GENERAL ELECTION.
  2. Tom Paine from Opposition members -- vote down the government now!, writes: Stephen Harper has been in seclusion thinking about his future.

    Word is, he'll be announcing his resignation this week.

    YHIHF.
  3. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Can Mr. LeBlanc shift right into the center? He says that the LPC needs to appeal to the middleclass and yet it was the middleclass who mostly voted CPC last 2 elections. Where does he think the LPC will drift to. Both the CPC and LPC are right of center and have been for some time now.

    Will he offer tax breaks and REAL tax reductions, accountability, Quebec Nationhood, First Nations self government, Increased Trade, Lowering tariffs and barriers, protection of natural resources, and most of all accessable healthcare with choices and options built in. These are some of the issues of concern to the middle class.
  4. earl pearl from Canada writes: 'Prime Minister Stephen Harper needs to be pushed out of the political centre where “he is pretending to be positioned,&8221; he said.'

    Like saying someone needs to push me out of the house I've lived in for 5 years where I am 'pretending to live'.

    Liberals are dumb. Period.
  5. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: George Duncan from Canada writes: 'GOOD LUCK AND YOU WILL NEED A LOT OF IT! IF YOU BECOME THE SUCCESSFUL ONE AND OF COURSE THE LEADER YOU AND THE LIBERAL PARTY WILL GET SLAUGHTERED IN A GENERAL ELECTION. '

    Yeah. Maybe third times the charm for Harper!! (I'm giving him a mulligan on his FIRST election).

    LOL - the guy couldn't get a majority against Adscam and then against Dion!!

    If Canada was going to have a Harper Majority, it would have happened already....
  6. R S from Moncton, Canada writes: Here we go with the LeBlanc thing now. He is the missing MP like Brian Murphy from Moncton. For most all of the election LeBlanc was missing from his riding. He anticipated the coronation and got it for some stupid reason.
  7. David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: This will now be the ongoing obsession with our chattering classes for some time. That's OK, there has to be something to keep them working and in print. Near as I can tell, the Liberals exist because they think they should be the government and currently aren't. The important thing in Canadian political life is that Obama is about to be elected, in all likelihood. This will have more impact on our lives than the sniffing and piddling of our political Musketeers.
  8. Mariposa Belle from Leacockland, Canada writes: If you thought the last election was a fight between two charismatic leaders, wait for the Harper-Manley cage match.

    Problems sleeping - watch these two guys. Canadian politics could get rid of all the 'over the counter' potions to induce sleep.

    The downside is there may be a problem with the health care system, given the sharp upsurge in the number of comatose patients.
  9. Mervin Hollingsworth from Saskatoon, Sk., Canada writes: Good luck Mr. LeBlanc you will need it. Trying to lead a bunch of cats is not easy and particularly with Iggy and Rae challenging you. After all they believe that it is their God given right to lead the Liberal party.
    If you win you will be given a poisoned chalice and that means many sleepless days and nights.
    By the way outside the Maritimes nobody knows you and so you will have a difficult time in the West and maybe even Ontario. That doesn't sound like a leader who will be embraced by the country and more importantly can bring the Liberals to the promised land of re-election.
  10. truthbe told from Canada writes: Manley is a viable candidate. Leblanc does not stand a chance. He has no national profile and no experience as a cabinet minister or Leader. The Liberal Party has to stop encouraging people to run for the Leadership on the basis of how bilingual they are. Harper was no bilingual wonder when he won in 2006.
  11. Abraham Kuhn from Canada writes:
    Sounds like libs are going to finally give PCs thier majority.

    Why else would the be replacing one dorky looking guy with another?
  12. Victor . from Canada writes: Let's see...McKenna, Ignatieff, Rae, Manley, LeBlanc, Coderre, Cauchon, Hall Findlay, Kennedy, Dosanjh, David Boyd(who?)...did I miss anyone? It seems everyone and their dog is considering a run at the leadership. The Liberals can barely raise enough funds now, let alone for 10 candidates who will be saddled with yet more debts after this race. The more candidates, the merrier...for the Conservatives.
  13. Pamphleteer . from Canada writes: Manley along with his buddy thomas d'aquino would sell out canada lock stock and barrel to the USA. Their dream is to create common north american immigration, refugee and security laws. Given the asymmetry in the Canada-US relationship this arrangement would effectively mean Canada would re-write its laws to mirror US laws. Not a good choice for Canadian sovereignty.
  14. An Ape in the Fog from Calgary, Canada writes: Dominic LeBlanc? Seriously? My preferred maritime, dark-horse candidate is Dave Dingwall.
  15. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Leblanc is only the third contender. There will be more to make the card stacked and ensure drama for the media hounds. So many stories. So many loose ends. So many profiles and in the end the same old tired LPC policies and rhetoric. 'We lost because of money. The CPC has more and we have old, outdated Tax and Spend ideas from the 60's and 70's' Harper looks better all the time with this kind of challenge.
  16. okanagan pakman from Canada writes: At least the Liberal list of potential leaders is longer than 1...Steve must be lonely, lonely....BTW where the he11 is he?...I would have thought he might want to be at the reins here...guess not
  17. Free The West Free The West from Free the West, Canada writes: What is this, the fourteenth Liberal leadership story in five days?
  18. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Victor . from Canada writes: Let's see...McKenna, Ignatieff, Rae, Manley, LeBlanc, Coderre, Cauchon, Hall Findlay, Kennedy, Dosanjh, David Boyd(who?)...did I miss anyone?

    Justin T. & Belinda for colourful commentary during the inbetween voting.
  19. morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: i guess all the cpc people that like to post here are really proud of how how elections canada changed the rules so students are basically screwed out of their vote now....

    how many seats did this help u win...
    3?
    2?
    5?

    i wanna know..
    TELL ME!!
  20. morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: ok i guess no one wants to talk about how harper has put us back into deficit spending...
  21. Robin M from Canada writes: Both McKenna or LeBlanc would have wide appeal across Canada, as well as Quebec (and both are known good fund-raisers).... Either one is a good choice as leader for the liberals...... Ignatieff, Rae and Manley will continue to divide the party and they should consider that before throwing their names in the leadership race.

    Stephen Harper called the last election because he thought he had a majority in the bag. He lost his chance.. The majority of Canadians don't trust him with too much power and never will.

  22. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: i guess all the cpc people that like to post here are really proud of how how elections canada changed the rules ....

    What a sad dig. As if elections Canada is controlled by the CPC. Was it not Chretien, as stated in P. Martins recent book that screwed it for the LPC in funding, election rules and so forth.?
  23. morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: all conservatives must be slamming pepsi's and making balogna sammiches...crying in their coke zero and praying for palin..
  24. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: ok i guess no one wants to talk about how harper has put us back into deficit spending...

    For one month this year. It happened many years in a row with the LPC in the 90's yet I seem to remember it was no biggie. Paul Martin when asked stated he was not afrain of MONTHLY DEFICITS only long term deficit spending carried over year after year. It is a myth propogated by the left that deficits are a bad thing. Get a grip. Its normal government activity and with the recent downturn its quite possible. Perhaps the market turmoil is Harpers hidden agenda. jeez.
  25. morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: so that's 4 seats there bob?
    or 2? or 5?
  26. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Robin M from Canada writes:The majority of Canadians don't trust him with too much power and never will.

    Seems more that a majority of Quebecers don't. I guess the fear game is alive and well in the Bloc. Lets see how well thier kissing cousins, the PQ fare in December if they call it.
  27. morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: i am so glad that harper screwed over the nations finances so that i save 2 cents on a coffee...
  28. morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: are u saying that the liberals should have been able to reverse a 43 billion dollar deficit in 3 months?
  29. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: so that's 4 seats there bob?
    or 2? or 5?

    Maybe 4 students who actually got the correct paper work together and managed to show up after the long weekend binge. Elections Canada should hang its head in shame over this as many people, not just students were given the stiff finger and sent packing out the door.
  30. white wolf from Canada writes:

    quote
    Pamphleteer . from Canada writes: Manley along with his buddy thomas d'aquino would sell out canada lock stock and barrel to the USA. Their dream is to create common north american immigration, refugee and security laws. Given the asymmetry in the Canada-US relationship this arrangement would effectively mean Canada would re-write its laws to mirror US laws. Not a good choice for Canadian sovereignty. quote

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    well said and worth repeating for the dummys here
  31. cons suck don't want to have to say i told you so from brampton, Canada writes: I think leblanc is just getting his name out there for next time. there's no way he will win the leadership this time
  32. morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: all that i am saying is that we are now living under the alberta canuck republican team for the lack of intellectual discourse -

    it's a national tragedy that stephen harper is pm...i wouldn't let him watch my daughter for 5 minutes...he should go and eat hot dogs with rush limbaugh
  33. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes:it's a national tragedy that stephen harper is pm...i wouldn't let him watch my daughter for 5 minutes...he should go and eat hot dogs with rush limbaugh Kinda stings I guess as you allude to the shift in the power structure in the country from east to west. Many of the country's bright minds came to Alberta and have built a strong resource rich economy that is the envy of the ROC. Just look at how Dion, Martin and Chretien tried to shift wealth to the Central structure of upper & lower Canada. Chretien was first with his carbon tax idea, martin with transfer redistribution and Dion with his failed green shift. It is sad to see you have such disdain for successful people. Perhaps you yourself are surrounded by big L losers that you cannot see the simplicity of hard earned pay for a hard work day. Funny how when the LPC politicos come west they talk glowingly of the rich culture, resources and so on that are vital to the growth and sustainability of the ROC. Harper has proven in the past years he has no hidden agenda and is not scary. Unlike Campbell who will suck the treasury dry and put more stress on the population with increased taxes and regulations. Have fun out in lotus land
  34. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes:it's a national tragedy that stephen harper is pm...i wouldn't let him watch my daughter for 5 minutes...he should go and eat hot dogs with rush limbaugh Kinda stings I guess as you allude to the shift in the power structure in the country from east to west. Many of the country's bright minds came to Alberta and have built a strong resource rich economy that is the envy of the ROC. Just look at how Dion, Martin and Chretien tried to shift wealth to the Central structure of upper & lower Canada. Chretien was first with his carbon tax idea, martin with transfer redistribution and Dion with his failed green shift. It is sad to see you have such disdain for successful people. Perhaps you yourself are surrounded by big L losers that you cannot see the simplicity of hard earned pay for a hard work day. Funny how when the LPC politicos come west they talk glowingly of the rich culture, resources and so on that are vital to the growth and sustainability of the ROC. Harper has proven in the past years he has no hidden agenda and is not scary. Unlike Campbell who will suck the treasury dry and put more stress on the population with increased taxes and regulations. Have fun out in lotus land
  35. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: I really hate it when the G&G; Site blinks and I send the same post twice and I lose my paging. Glitch

    My appologies for the double take.
  36. Victor . from Canada writes: Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes:
    Justin T. & Belinda for colourful commentary during the inbetween voting.
    ------
    Indeed, Justin was wise to bow out. In reality, there won't be that many contenders, especially if McKenna enters. If McKenna declares early, I'm guessing there will be no more than 4 runners. If he doesn't, then it's wide open, and we'll see a repeat of 2006.
  37. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:
    Talking about Liberals ... that Dosanjh recount is being challenged and the Conservative is going for an Appeal. It has been on local news that alledges, only 20 of 120 ballot boxes were recounted????
  38. Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes: Victor . from Canada writes: Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes:

    Well said. I would prefer to see a run off of high profile contenders so that we will see a possible cabinet in the makings and actually offer Canadians a Team of capable Libs. Up until now its been all Harper and that gets stale after a while. Also the battle of the titans makes for better scibe coverage.
  39. Matt Flohr from Mississauga, Canada writes: The Conservatives aren't going into a deficit because of their spending, but rather the economy is slowing down and tax revenue will decrease. seems pretty simple to me. and the economy is slowing down because the USA engineered themselves for collapse with ludicrious overspending, inflation and taxation by private banks.
  40. r b from Calgary, Canada writes: My goodness: all this endless Liberal navel gazing, sour grapes over the election loss, Harper fixation, general trepidation...

    Is this heaven?
  41. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:

    The night of the Liberal long knives .... part two.
  42. M Poland from Calgary, Canada writes: LeBlanc is ruthless.
  43. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    LeBlanc is not from Quebec.

    That pretty much does him in.

    The Old Boys Club picks nobody BUT from Quebec.

    The minute they pick somebody not from Quebec we can consider renewal.
    Not a moment sooner.
  44. Don Portz from Trochu AB, Canada writes: Although not a Liberal supporter at this time, I would think that LeBlanc may be a very good candidate for the Leadership. He is young, biligual, knowledgeable and not tied into the old guard. His initial remarks acknowledges a major overhaul of the party, which is certainly needed. It appears that Rae (ex NDP,) and Ignatieff are too tied to the old philosphy to make the changes required. Just like McCain in the USA.
  45. Sy Borg from Regina, Canada writes: 'He [LeBlanc] said Canadians expect their national government to play an activist role during difficult economic times, but that it cannot interfere in areas of provincial jurisdiction.'

    Cannot interfere in areas of provincial jurisdiction??? That sounds like decentralization to me. Is LeBlanc saying he agrees with the CPC vision of federalism?
  46. white wolf from Canada writes: manley will just be another harper but 10 times worse

    straussian beliefs
  47. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    If so many Liberals think like Conservatives, why don't they just get with the program?

    Manley.
    Hgnatieff.

    To name two.

    Not Rae.
    he thinks like Marx.

    I hope the Liberals pick Rae.
    I prefer Conservatives.
  48. Sy Borg from Regina, Canada writes: IMHO, Manley would alienate the left-wing of the LPC so he is not a realistic option. I wonder if McKenna & Tobin are watching the LPC reaction to Manley's overtures & taking notes?

    On Goldhawk Live, Scott Reid said he is backing LeBlanc but I'm not sure how much water that holds. I still think it would be very difficult for anybody to displace Iggy or Rae with less than 7 months to go - both frontrunners have been ready for the upcoming leadership race since Dec 2006.
  49. Rain Couver from Canada writes: Liberals are seeking a new leader.

    Conservatives will be seeking a new leader soon (Harper only gained 8% of the popular vote).

    The next leader (and eventual PM) needs to be youthful and have a vision for the long term future of Canada that excites everyone, not just boomers.

    Pass the torch already, the apathy of young Canadians is a response to the complete and utter irrelevance of the political pickins'.

    Mercifully there is a minority.
  50. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    I'd make a great Liberal leader.

    As soon as I was PM, I'd cross over to the CPC.

    Vote for me.
  51. Sy Borg from Regina, Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    'If so many Liberals think like Conservatives, why don't they just get with the program?'

    If Rae wins, more than a few Liberals may be asking themselves the same question. Another 'anyone but Iggy' maneuver & a significant number of Liberals may ask that question.
  52. Sy Borg from Regina, Canada writes: My (pre-) preliminary prediction,

    The right-wing of the LPC splits across a small number of contenders (e.g. Iggy & LeBlanc) & the left-wing of the party solidifies around Rae - ensuring a win for Bob. And, ensuring the LPC remains to the left on the political spectrum. And ultimately, ensuring the CPC wins the next election (about 2-2.5 years away).

    Key battleground for a majority: Quebec (especially if Duceppe steps down beforehand).
  53. Alan F. from Vancouver, Canada writes: Mike Sharp: You keep proving why more than 60% of Canadians did not vote for your hero, Harper. Mean spirited and small minded. so keep it up to remind us how shallow the Western Canada Concept/Reform/Alliance/Conservative syncophants really are!
  54. iPhone from Canada writes: .
    John Manley would sell Canada to the Americans under North American Union... in a heart-beat.
    I can not believe that he is being considered for this group and his performance in Afghanistan for Mr. Harper. What support would Manley... he must be looking for another contract.
    ~
  55. Sy Borg from Regina, Canada writes: I wonder if Jean & Paul's books will reopen old wounds in the LPC - just what the party needs going into the leadership convention.

    The LPC keeps stealing the spotlight & keeping the MSM busy during a very difficult economic time. No wonder Harper is laying low - there is no point begging for attention when you have nothing positive to report & the LPC is doing you a favor.

    Attaboy Paul! Keep up the good work occupying the headlines.
  56. RRR JJJ from Canada writes: who is 'stane dion?' its in this article and in the photo showing all those liberals together. and i never knew that mr rae's father was a friend and rival of mr ignatieffs 'gather' George. any proofreaders left at the G&M; these days?

    if mr manley chose to run for the conservative leadership (he's always portrayed by liberals as a hawkish liberal, therefore he's a conservative) i'd be happy to keep voting conservative after mr harper steps down.
  57. 4Cryin Outloud from Canada writes: Wow the Harper dingleberries are very concerned about what the Liberals are doing. So many here doing the Harper stinky talk.
  58. Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: For what it is worth, the information I have on Manley is that the plans for senate reform will include installation (by yet to be dermined means) will include one or two token Liberals and Manley is at the head of that list. I believe it.
  59. Jim Q from Halifax, Canada writes: Dominic Le Blanc is going for the Liberal Golden 'prize': Leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada.

    And if he's REALLY lucky, he'll get to be Prime Minister, and have several million average Canadians as his boss!

    I hear that second prize is getting hit in the face with a baseball bat.

    If it were me, I'd take second prize.
  60. Michael Crowell from Halifax, Canada writes: Dominic LeBlanc just betwen you and I, save your money. You just don't have what it takes.
  61. mary conception from Anywhere, Canada writes: To Michael Crowell from Halifax, Canada who writes: 'Dominic LeBlanc just betwen you and I' Mr. Crowell, just between you and ME, I hope Dominic LeBlanc had a better use of English than you do!! Use grammar check for errors.
  62. Ian D. Niall (who is staunchly apolitical) from Right here, Canada writes: 'New Brunswick's Dominic LeBlanc '

    Who?
  63. Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: mary conception: What an earth shattering comment! Where is the rest of it?
  64. Ian D. Niall (who is staunchly apolitical) from Right here, Canada writes: RRR JJJ from Canada aks: who is 'stane dion?' its [sic] in this article and in the photo showing all those liberals together. and i [sic] never knew that mr [sic] rae's [sic] father was a friend and rival of mr [sic] ignatieffs [sic] 'gather' George. any [sic] proofreaders left at the G&M; these days?

    Apparently not, not even in these fora, as your post demonstrates! ;-)
  65. earl pearl from Canada writes: Alan F. , what's a syncophant?

    Don't use big words you don't understand.
  66. bob london from Canada writes: Hey Robert from around Calgary; Define Center, is that Mao's center, Castro's Center, USA Center because ideologically CPC is to the left of the US Dems or are you trying to confuse the public with ideology from Kinsella.
  67. Thomas Price from Whitefish, Canada writes: When your tires are old and warn and you have a flat on one, it's time to change the entire set. Recycling may work environmentally but sooner or later the recycled product reaches its half-life and is no longer recyclable. These are two similes of why, if the Liberal party is to survive, it requires a complete make-over. Even considering recycling John, Bob or, Micheal is to attempt suicide. To actually make one of them the (new???) leader is to follow the Kim Campbell, Conservative example. No more party. Dominic LeBlanc would appear to be a good start now let's see how smart the party is.
  68. Gogh Forit from Canada writes: If there wasn't constant or near constant talk about the next Liberal leadership the Liberals wouldn't have anything to talk about and no one, including the media, would care.
  69. P R from downtown, Canada writes: Loyality, honesty, modesty......Stephen Ledrew for leader.
  70. pole cat from Canada writes: Leblanc is a joke try again liberals.
  71. Ob Server from Canada writes: It looks like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel when we're considering re-cycling old MP's from an un-illustrious past. In order for the LPC to become pertinent again and eventually win an election, the new leader of the party has to be new, intelligent, full of fresh ideas, charismatic with the ability to convey ideas clearly and crisply and most importantly, not be a lawyer. We have too many lawyers in politics. Let's start getting regular Canadians in there who might actually be able to bring reality to governing a country and stop the useless, pork-barrel ways of the past. One thing I do like about Harper is that he's not a lawyer, he's a realist who knows what the cost of living really is and most importantly, he's a pragmatic straight-shooter as opposed to the double-talking lawyers who usually govern us. If he was a bit more inspiring I could see myself voting for him eventually.
  72. Dave Jansen - A progressive centrist from Canada writes: .

    The Liberals need to re-invent themselves as the party for Central-East Canada (where 70% of the population reside). This is where they stand to grow their support. Their values must mirror that of central Canada.

    The west has basically stated that they have no intrest in progressive politics and instead would prefer to pretend that oil will be around forever.

    The key to a majority is through Ontario - all the Liberals need is to stand up to the conservatives when they come back around and want to add a whole bunch of seats out west, but completely short-change Ontario. This will be a perfect issue to rebrand themselves with.
  73. Tom Paine from writes: Rumour has it there will be a Con leadership race soon too.

    Apparently Harper plans to resign this week:

    http://www.highprairieregister.com/Harper_announcement.html
  74. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: The real questions are, no matter who the liberals elect as their leader: Will Harper spend the next two years in 24/7 electioneering mode? Will he continue to use our tax revenue as his personal slush fund, to dole out to whichever province holds the most voting potential? Will he continue to make short-sighted stupid decisions in order to gain support in the event of an early election (eg - the ill-advised GST cuts instead of income tax/business tax cuts)? Will he launch into an immediate pre-election smear campaign against the new leader? (silly question, OF COURSE he will).

    And last and most importantly - After all this, will Harper end up with a stronger MINORITY??
  75. Thomas Price from Whitefish, Canada writes: Ob Server. Thank you for reminding us of the lawyer connection. Isn't having lawyers as MPPs or MPs a conflict of interest? How can anyone who makes a living from interpreting laws, make laws, without it being a conflict of interest? Not that any of them would act in conflict but the perception is certainly there and perception is reality in the eye of the perceiver.
  76. Dave Jansen - A progressive centrist from Canada writes: .

    You got to feel for the cons though. 2 golden opportunites, and all they can do is a get a minority.

    Dion bascially offered the cons a majority - so close, yet so far...

    Now there is talk of uniting the centre-left where 62% of Canadians park their values and votes.

    Yikes.

    I think the only possible thing the cons can do at this point is to consider getting a centrist leader. Stephen '0-for-3' Harper is simply too right-wing for the vast majority of Canadians.
  77. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Thomas Price - you could also say that having people who are supposed to follow the laws is a conflict of interest. Eg - The fixed date election law. This didn't turn out to be what it was supposed to be when it was unveiled with a lot of 'Accountable' fanfare. Harper abused it like any other leader - timed it, spent a pile of ad money up until the very last minute (when spending caps take effect), and pulled the trigger when the conditions were just right for him to capture a majority.

    There's conflicts any way you look at it. That's why we're supposed to trust our politicians. Unfortunately non of the current crop (especially in our NEW gov't) have demonstrated that they're worthy of trust.
  78. Loki Peterson from Toronto, Canada writes: Anyone but Manley! Anyone at all.
  79. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Of course the punchline to my last post is that Harper, AGAIN, failed to capture a majority when ALL the conditions were pretty much perfect.

    He blew it....

    The table will never be set quite as perfectly as the last two elections. Harper's best chances were in the past.
  80. Anne Peterson from Canada writes: Talk about recycling the old boots and shoes.
  81. Greg Out West from Canada writes: morningdew1992 digs it in vancouver from vancouver, Canada writes: i am so glad that harper screwed over the nations finances so that i save 2 cents on a coffee...
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    Glad you saved on your coffee. I saved $900 on the last car I purchased.
  82. jon dixon from Toronto, Canada writes: Manley? Good god NO!!!! I will leave the Liberal party if he comes back, he is in the American's back pocket and too much of a right-winger for the Libs, he would be better off seeking the Conservative leadership. My god no. No, no, no. Anybody but Manley.
  83. Scare Crow from Canada writes: Dave Jansen - A progressive centrist from Canada writes: .

    You got to feel for the cons though. 2 golden opportunites, and all they can do is a get a minority.

    ---------------------------------------------------
    Really? you are no different with that boy who keeps taunting and challenging me back at high school. I ignored him for most of the time until finally I obliged him and give him a good beating. In between his swelling eye, a bloodied nose and some loose tooth, he still have the gall to yell 'See I'm right you are a sissy you cannot even beat me enough!'
    --sheesh you lost. Keep that in mind next time will you?
  84. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Dave Jansen - A progressive centrist from Canada writes: .

    You got to feel for the cons though. 2 golden opportunites, and all they can do is a get a minority.
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    Good chance Canada will have minority governments for some time to come. The good news is that it will be a CPC minority and not the thieving liberals.
  85. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Scare Crow - very bad analogy. I think this would be better, hope you don't mind that I'm modifying your story:

    Scare Crow spent his time taunting his smaller classmate and daring him to challenge him for a fight. When the smaller classmate wouldn't oblige, Scare Crow decided to start one on his own - but first he took money from each of his classmates and gave it to a group of students who didn't like him. During the fight, the smaller classmate proved to be a bigger challenge than expected. Although the smaller classmate ended up with a swollen eye, and a bloody nose, and some loose teeth, Scare Crow ended up with a black eye, which he covered with makeup. 40% of the fight audience walked away in disgust. Of the remaining 60%, more than 2/3 didn't think Scare Crow won. And the bribed students still hated Scare Crow's guts.

    The End.
  86. Louis Riel from Canada writes: This whole Liberal leadership blah blah blah, social justice, caring, compassionate, fiscal prudence, Iggy, Raegun, the second coming of the anti-Christ Justin is nauseating, is there nothing better that this paper can talk about, I think I am going to be sick.
  87. Ob Server from Canada writes: Thomas Price....Thank you. The fundamental problem is that ordinary Canadians have bought into the idea, propogated by politicians, that governing is a complicated business which requires lawyerly skill. Nothing could be further from the truth. Lawyers, fueled by self-interest, easy money and their overly complicated word-smithing have more or less carved out the MP and MPP roles exclusively for themselves and their chosen bretheren. I say again that until average Canadians take control of the government apparatus, there will be nothing but more waste and futility going forward. I don't hate lawyers but I hate how they have appropriated the role of governing us. That HAS to change and fast or we are all sunk.
  88. Guess Who from Montreal, Canada writes: The list of Liberals not considering leadership is smaller...
  89. Conservative for lower taxes, cheaper gas, less government from Canada writes: The Liberals will never be re-elected until they tell tax payers were the $40 million dollars, the auditor general said was still missing and unaccounted for, went, and to who? Dion was unable to deal with this missing money and he was defeated.
  90. Dan Zenderman from TO, Canada writes: The Globe and Mail are responsible for the needless deaths of thousands of trees by wasting the paper to print this trash on , for those who subscribe to the printed version .....please find some NEWSWORTHY information to print ! ..maybe when the LPC are actually relevant ?.. At least on the internet a few needless tree deaths have been averted.
  91. Scare Crow from Canada writes: Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Scare Crow - very bad analogy. I think this would be better, hope you don't mind that I'm modifying your story:
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    Following your line of thinking, you forgot to add, the little classmate asked help from the shrill girl classmate who jumped on my back and tried to pull my hair. Nor the two others classmates who tried to pin down my legs while I was pummeling the little rascal. In the background the loud yelling of ABC plus the cheering of his two buddies on the back, while secretly rooting for me to win is palpable. In the end it was a 'no mas' fight. Despite all the tag-teaming he lost.
    Now which part of liberals are losers don't you get?
  92. rick from river city from Canada writes: Yawn..... it appears that no one who is not already stuck inside the Liberal Party is interested in leading this bankrupt, broken crew. Desperately searching the depleted roster for someone who already isn't deep in debt... ta da Leblanc. Dreams of a saviour from the outside make for good press and continuous comment but in the end the Liberals will recycle the same bunch of losers from their last leadership convention and remain locked in a downward spiral while Dion hides.
  93. gordon davies from Victoria B.C., Canada writes: We need a person that's able to be understood by the 2 languages & not one that scares little children
  94. Dan Zenderman from TO, Canada writes: ...actually , I may subscribe to the printed version of the G&M; ...so next time if I am sitting on the toilet , reading stories like this one , I can convert the wasted paper into something usefull..like toilet paper ..and maybe save a few trees in the bargain.
  95. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Scare Crow from Canada writes: 'Following your line of thinking, you forgot to add, the little classmate asked help from the shrill girl classmate who jumped on my back and tried to pull my hair. Nor the two others classmates who tried to pin down my legs while I was pummeling the little rascal. In the background the loud yelling of ABC plus the cheering of his two buddies on the back, while secretly rooting for me to win is palpable. ' Yeah, I like it. Let's continue... When the shrill girl was about to enter the fight, you enlisted the help of your communist classmate to have her excluded. When the taunts of the audience became too loud, you relented, and proceeded to fight using every dirty trick in your book. Having lots of cash, you enlisted the help of more paid cheerleaders to cheer for you and to call the smaller classmate a 'sissy'. Even though you outweighed the combined opponents, you still only managed to scrape out a split decision... no knockout here. But your loyal fans (paid and otherwise) were very proud of your achievements and boast about how you bested your smaller classmate and the shrill girl. Of course, the fight promoters, who you guaranteed a KNOCKOUT are a little pissed. 'No worries' you tell them. 'I'll get a knockout the NEXT time for sure'.... The End??
  96. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Both of these candidates are going to find out what Dion found out.

    Voters are leaving the Liberal party in droves because they don't trust the Liberal brand.
  97. rick from river city from Canada writes: NTA... all you left out of your little story is the light weight screaming 'tis not fair!'
  98. Gossipy Busybody from Canada writes: Sy Borg from Regina, Canada writes: I wonder if Jean & Paul's books will reopen old wounds in the LPC - just what the party needs going into the leadership convention.

    ---- Actually, I heard Paul Martin on CBC radio this morning and he was most gracious about Mr. Chretien.

    I thought he was terrific. And he pointed out (yet again) why the Conservatives are such terrible fiscal managers. (Unless, of course, you have some spare change lying around so you can pick up those bargains Harper advised us on...);-)
  99. Gossipy Busybody from Canada writes: Conservative for lower taxes, cheaper gas, less government from Canada writes: The Liberals will never be re-elected until they tell tax payers were the $40 million dollars, the auditor general said was still missing ---

    Oh, for the love of God!
    Maybe you could tell us about Mulroney's cash stashes in his basement... or where are the Conservative MP's backbones, or voices?
  100. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: rick from river city from Canada writes: 'NTA... all you left out of your little story is the light weight screaming 'tis not fair!' ' OK, OK. Here's the conclusion of the story: Scare Crow's smaller classmate started weeping at the conclusion of the fight. Several of his classmates were visibly horrified at this spectacle, but many blamed themselves for putting the smallest classmate up against a bigger but cowardly opponent. Several classmates (each bigger than the 'loser') raised their hands and asked whether they would be considered for the next fight. Scare Crow started taunting each of them and put on a brave face. 'I will get another split decision against any of you, or maybe, maybe a KNOCKOUT' he boasted. The fight promoters were on the sidelines - they had a bullet with Scare Crow's name on it should he fail again. 'I WILL win. I will, I will, I willl, I WILL!!' said Scare Crow, hiding the panic in his voice. His potential opponents were lining up already - they all looked a lot bigger than the smallest classmate. Secretly, Scare Crow was also filling up his Depends - having lost all bowel control.... The End??
  101. Tom Paine from HarperCons offered to buy Cadman's vote -- compare Crim Code s.119, writes: Free The West Free The West from Free the West, Canada writes: What is this, the fourteenth Liberal leadership story in five days?

    ======================

    No kidding. Meanwhile, not one word about the plans or intentions of the re-elected government.

    What will the government do in a minority Parliament they couldn't manage before?

    What plans does the government have for the budget, or the throne speech?

    How will they deal with the deteriorating Afghanistan situation? Can we get our troops out safely if necessary?

    What will the government do about the ongoing Ethics Committee and Elections Canada investigations?

    How can this government work with (presumably) President Obama given their past efforts to sabotage his candidacy?

    Where is Stephen Harper during this economic crisis?????

    The Blobe is ignoring the real issues to focus instead of the vapours of a second-party leadership campaign that is months away. It's WEIRD.
  102. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: I think Harper's busy trying to get capable candidates for his inner caucus. It's a tough challenge. So he's busy trying to get capable MP's to cross the floor and join him and/or exploring the possibility of appointing a few new Senators.
  103. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Senator Lizzy May - Minister of the Environment

    Senator John Manley - Foreign Affairs

    Minister Iggy...

    THAT sort of thing. Harper will surface when all the backroom deals are done.
  104. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    Golly.

    Isn't there a Liberal MP called Trudeau?

    There's the ticket.

    Prime Minister Trudeau.
    A Liberal.

    Hardy freakin' har.
  105. elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., Canada writes: So, G&M.; This is news? Why? A tired old party immersed in debt with only recycled lawyers as potential 'leadership' candidates seems like stale stuff to me.
  106. The Sentinel from Canada writes: Tom Paine from writes:

    'Rumour has it there will be a Con leadership race soon too.'

    Harper quit? That is funny. But I have to give you guys an 'A' for effort. I believe what you are doing is called trying to change the channel. Unfortunately for you, the G&M; keeps running stories on the LPC and your posts are off topic.
  107. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Why are the Liberal$, a regonal party with support centred almost entirely in downtown Toronto and only a handful of seats outside this footprint, suct a dominant topic in a national newspaper?

    I never read as much about the Bloc Quebecois?
  108. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    'Why are the Liberal$, a regonal party with support centred almost entirely in downtown Toronto and only a handful of seats outside this footprint, suct a dominant topic in a national newspaper?'

    Why? Because people read such news. Even an idiot like yourself. Until Harper does something newsworthy, what's to write about on the Canadian political front? When's Harper going to announce his cabinet, when will Parliament resume its dsyfunction? That sort of thing. So either skip over the stories you don't want to read or shut up. Your choice.
  109. mike sty - from Canada writes: New Brunswick's Dominic LeBlanc became the first MP to declare his plans to seek the job
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    Next
  110. Jake the Snake from Canada writes: Oh quit your effin whining already the cons aren't making any news lately and the reporters have kids to feed. Just be thankfull, or should I say your spouces should be thankful there is something here to comment on or you'd be driving them nuts with all these inane comments. Divorces aren't cheap so shut the f up already.
  111. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Gossipy Busybody from Canada writes: .

    '---- Actually, I heard Paul Martin on CBC radio this morning and he was most gracious about Mr. Chretien. '

    Well, I heard him on CTV last night and he reminded me of why he was a terrible PM. First, he accused the interviewer of putting words in his mouth until the reporter pointed out that the words were quoted from his book. Then he stuttered and mumbled and tried to change the subject. He then attempted to blame Chretien and the RCMP for his defeat rather than taking personal responsibility for being a terrible PM who made a multitude of promises without setting priorities or delivering on his promises. He should have the decency to remove himself from the spotlight for a few years.
  112. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: 'He should have the decency to remove himself from the spotlight for a few years. '

    Why? It's a free country and he has a book to promote. He's actually working for a living now, unlike our current gov't...
  113. Michele K from Ottawa, Canada writes: Oh, look at that - Mike Sharp's alter ego, 'elizabeth vann' has resurfaced, and posting at the same time as Sharp - what an amazing co-incidence!

    When 'she' last surfaced, jumping to Sharp's aid, we did some checking, only to discover that there are very few 'vanns' on Vancouver Island, and no Elizabeth's).

    Sharp must be getting ready to say something really provocative, what with 'elizabeth' at the ready to come to his defense.

    Get a life, Michael Sharp.
  114. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: LOL!! I wonder if Elizabeth is Mike's right or left hand....
  115. mike sty - from Canada writes: Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: LOL!! I wonder if Elizabeth is Mike's right or left hand....
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    She's one of the palm sister's.
  116. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: One thing that I'd like to see during my lifetime: a Liberal leader take responsibility for anything.
    1. Chretien:
    Says he bears no responsibility for adscam and blames Martin for convening the inquiry. Then mocks the inquiry with his golfball stunt and sues Goemry for his findings.
    2. Martin
    Blames Chretien and the RCMP for his defeat as PM. Then writes his memoirs trying to rewrite the history of his reign and lay blame everywhere but on himself.
    3. Dion
    Blames his defeat on Attack ads and the media. Again no acceptance of responsibility.
  117. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes: Jake, NTA

    Why can't I read something about Quebec and the ADQ, about the Bloc, about the NDP? Each of those parties has lots going on yet very little news on any of them. I think the NDP has a case that they are much more national of a party than the Liberal$.

    Canadians have overwhelmingly rejected the Liberal brand - MILLIONS of voters now vote for the Liberal$ than did previously - and a huge majority of their popular support is within downtown Toronto.

    How is this national news?

    why is all the national
  118. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes: 'Canadians have overwhelmingly rejected the Liberal brand - MILLIONS of voters now vote for the Liberal$ than did previously '

    Should have been 'MILLIONS FEWER voters...'
  119. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Michele K from Ottawa, Canada writes: Oh, look at that - Mike Sharp's alter ego, 'elizabeth vann' has resurfaced, and posting at the same time as Sharp - what an amazing co-incidence!

    When 'she' last surfaced, jumping to Sharp's aid, we did some checking
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    Michele, who's we ? Must be the liberal war room. Creepy
  120. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes: 'Jake, NTA

    Why can't I read something about Quebec and the ADQ, about the Bloc, about the NDP? Each of those parties has lots going on yet very little news on any of them. I think the NDP has a case that they are much more national of a party than the Liberal$. '

    You can Beer. Just look beyond the borders of your beloved Globe and Mail. Sheesh - what's your problem? I think you've been a Harper supporter for too long. Do you need to be spoonfed EVERYTHING?
  121. D. Hall from Canada writes: Don't know much about LaBlanc, but Manly should toddle off to help the soldiers in Afganistan. Perhaps he could serve coffee at Tim's - I don't think he would be much of a front line soldier, much as I would like to see him there.

    Liberal leader? I think not. Now if Harper resigns, he might make a credible Tory leader....
  122. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: p lailey - or Harper: 'IT's ALL THE Previous Gov'ts fault!!'. Psssst - all the other guys are gone - so we're left with whining Harper. Who's he going to blame NOW?
  123. elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., Canada writes: Michele, Not the alliance and Mike Sty: you all should get a life or try reading a book sometime. As difficult as it is to believe there IS life in Victoria...and more than one person.

    Although two of you have some version of the name Michael, I don't. So stop with your harumps. Donate some money to charity. Dig a ditch. Help someone across the street. Whatever. Just do something meaningful

    Mike Sty does not your mother live in Victoria?
  124. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Greg - many of these posters are from the Liberal war room in my view. As their fundraising shows - very few unpaid Canadians support the Liberal$ enough to actually donate to the party or speak out for it..
  125. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., Canada writes: 'Michele, Not the alliance and Mike Sty: you all should get a life or try reading a book sometime. As difficult as it is to believe there IS life in Victoria...and more than one person.'

    Just ignore them. The have too much time on ther hands if they're trying to come up with conspiracy theories. When a party has only 24% support they should expect some posts that are critical of it.
  126. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes: ' As their fundraising shows - very few unpaid Canadians support the Liberal$ enough to actually donate to the party or speak out for it.. '

    LOL!! Isn't that JUST like Beer & Popcorn always thinks there's a conspiracy.

    Hey Beer - do YOU speak for the Harper 'conservative' party? What an idiot. Why don't you just respond to the posts instead of asking your idiotic questions - always complaining about the Globe, which you read faithfully despite your pathetic whining. Or start your own blog and tell it like it is.... LOL!
  127. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: 'Just ignore them. The have too much time on ther hands if they're trying to come up with conspiracy theories. When a party has only 24% support they should expect some posts that are critical of it. '

    Unlike Harper and the Harper so called 'conservatives'. THEY are above reproach!!

    ... lying scumbags all.
  128. Jake the Snake from Canada writes: Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes: Jake, NTA

    NTA has provided you direction to more news so I'll deal with another part of your post.

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    Canadians have overwhelmingly rejected the Liberal brand - MILLIONS of voters now vote for the Liberal$ than did previously - and a huge majority of their popular support is within downtown Toronto.
    ===================================================

    Nation wide

    cons - 5,205,334
    libs - 3,629,990
    dips - 2,517,075
    bloc - 1,379,565

    And when you break it down province by province you have your typical uneven distribution - Alta, Sask huge con majority, Ont 48% of lib votes, nothing new to see here. So with that I say it's one election; as much as you and other cons wish it, want it, desire it, the reports of the demise of the libs are greatly exagerated. They are still a force in this country, and as such when they are in a situation like this reporters write about it, really, just deal with it and move on to another story.
  129. a l from Toronto, Canada writes: The only people telling Manley to run are Conservatives.
  130. Gossipy Busybody from Canada writes: Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Greg - many of these posters are from the Liberal war room in my view.
    ___ Yo, beerboy. Most Liberals are out working at real jobs, paying their mortgages, raising their kids. TWe don't have time to sit around posting all day like the paid hacks in the Conservative war room. We have better things to do than engaging in what passes for verbal jousting with the likes of you.
    (I just stopped in for a quick look see -- now back to the salt mines!)

    But rest assured, whenever Harper emerges from his cocoon of police protection (check out Bruce MacKinnon's cartoon at http://thechronicleherald.ca/) to promote his particular team of yes-men and -women to cabinet, we'll all watch with fascination. (Not that they're allowed to DO anything or SAY anything...)
  131. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    Michele K from Ottawa...
    You're a desperate woman.
    Why would I log on, post, log off, re-log on and then post under another name?
    Why not just post under my own name, twice?

    If that's indicative of Liberal cognition, no wonder they lost.
  132. elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., Canada writes: Michele K. from Ottawa: Upon reflection I find your post of 11:28 scarey. Did you really search for Elizabeth's on Vancouver Island? There are many, many Elizabeths here. Anyhow, the fact you tried to search me out was for what reason?

    I think a report to the moderators is in order. Those who post should give their real name or all surnames should be withheld.

    K doesn't sound like a real name.

    Did you use a PI firm for your search, Ms. K??? If so, demand a refund.

    Your grammar and syntax needs improvement.
  133. Instead of ABC it's BBD (buh bye Dion) from Canada writes:
    You Liberals are so cute.

    Still thinking you matter...
  134. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: a l from Toronto, Canada writes: 'The only people telling Manley to run are Conservatives. '

    Agreed. Manley stands no chance. He committed 2 cardinal sins for a Liberal:
    1. He worked co-operatively with the CPC.
    2. He took a strong stand on an issue (the Afghan mission) rather than maintaining a fuzzy position.
  135. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes: elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., posts at 12:12.
    I posted at 12:10.

    That's two minutes to log on and log off and post.

    It can't be done.
    It IS a nice coincidence, though.

    I agree with Elizabeth.
    Searching for people is a little creepy.

    Get a life, Michele K.
    The pathos.
  136. mike sty - from Canada writes: Mr. LeBlanc said that his plans are to run.
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    Liberals run.

    CONservatives run .....and hide.
  137. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: Robert in and around Calgary from Calgary, Canada writes:

    'Can Mr. LeBlanc shift right into the center? He says that the LPC needs to appeal to the middleclass and yet it was the middleclass who mostly voted CPC last 2 elections. Where does he think the LPC will drift to. Both the CPC and LPC are right of center and have been for some time now.'

    Robert there was nothing right of center about the Liberal's platform under Dion.

    Some would argue a tax shift is conservative; except they always leave out the fact 40% of the revenue was tagged to address anti-poverty drivel.

    That isn't conservative nor right of center.

    Whomever wins the LPC leadership better ditch the raging socialists from the LPC and drag the party back to the center if they ever want a chance to form gov't again.

    Raping middle and upper middle class voters to pay for a bunch of anti-poverty BS isn't going to cut it.
  138. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., Canada writes: 'I think a report to the moderators is in order. Those who post should give their real name or all surnames should be withheld.'

    Yes.... Wahhhh!! Ohhh Globe and Mail, there oughta be a law or something about this.

    BTW, I challenge anybody to PROVE that they're using their REAL names here. For that matter - PROVE that 'Not the Alliance' is NOT my real name.... LOL!!

    Here's an idea - comment on how many more elections until Harper gets his elusive majority. WHAT WILL IT TAKE?
  139. Hugh Andrew from Ottawa, Canada writes: Unfortunately all those who have been in government are tainted with the sad story of past. For the Liberal Party, there needs to be a fresh wind and face to get the party back to centre and demonstrate leadership that Canadians want and need. Let's not just recycle or bring in those who, if they had any talent, would have been noticed before.
  140. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes: 'elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., posts at 12:12.
    I posted at 12:10.

    That's two minutes to log on and log off and post.

    It can't be done.
    It IS a nice coincidence, though.'

    Hey, that proof is good enough for me. It's totally impossible, obviously. Kind of like Harper's majority...
  141. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: I agree that the Liberals need to reclaim the centre certainly socially and possibly fiscally too. As another poster points out the LPC has been right of centre for a while now, fiscally at least. Meanwhile, the presence of Bob Rae makes it appear that the party is on the left. Brand confusion is apparent methinks. I hope a few other candidates step in because we certainly don't want Bob Rae as leader and Iggy made some silly statements about the Quebec Nation and other subjects.

    Earl Pearl - Absolutely, Harper is trying to pretend he is Centrist rather than a far-right Reformer as he really is. The biggest threat the CPC faces I believe is that it will fall back into its component parts of Reform and PC as the political tensions tear it apart. The CPC is a pretend party.
  142. Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes: Instead of ABC it's BBD (buh bye Dion) from Canada writes:
    You Liberals are so cute.

    Still thinking you matter...

    ====================

    What goes around, comes around, Bud. Remember what happened to the PCs when Mulroney bailed out to let Kim Campbell face the storm ;-)
  143. elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., Canada writes: Not the All: No, we don't need another law. What the G&M; might have to do is take down this board.

    So your ilk cannot search for unethical reasons.

    I did not realize this board was so open to abuse when I first started posting a few months ago. Now aware, will beware.
  144. mike sty - from Canada writes:
    elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., Canada writes: Michele K. from Ottawa:

    Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    Michele K from Ottawa...

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    Multiple moniker poster and picture viewer Michael Sharp other alias:

    sharp = todd = hunt =hawk = elizabeth vann = william ross

    Its so easy to catch Sharp in a lie.
  145. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: I was right.

    It's incredibly entertaining how petty and immature all the Liberal supporters are taking their drubbing.

    Your party is full of sh!tducks.

    Ditch the raging socialists and deal with your problems instead of whining like children.
  146. Bankrupt The Liberals from Canada writes:
    p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: elizabeth vann from victoria, b.c., Canada writes: 'Michele, Not the alliance and Mike Sty: you all should get a life or try reading a book sometime.
    ________________________________________________________
    YOU FOUND THE GLOBE AND MAIL 3 STOOGES. IDENTIFY YOURSELF. WHO IS LARRY MOE AND CURLY JOE? LIBERAL LAZY CRACK HEADS. GO GET A JOB YOU BUNCH OF WINO WHINERS.

    BANKRUPT THE LIBERALS. BANKRUPT THE LIBERALS.
  147. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Seriously the obsession with 'names' from all sides is very peculiar. What's it matter? What a person posts is all that matters.

    Eg: 'Instead of ABC it's BBD (buh bye Dion)' would be a total idiot under any name. I challenge anybody to debate that point.
  148. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: Chris Halford from Ottawa, Canada writes:

    'As another poster points out the LPC has been right of centre for a while now, fiscally at least. Meanwhile, the presence of Bob Rae makes it appear that the party is on the left.'

    Sorry Chris but there was nothing right of center about Dion's Liberals.

    It isn't Bob Rae that makes the party seem to be to the left; it's all the wealth redistribution, anti-poverty drivel and national daycare BS that confirms the party is to the left.
  149. Jake the Snake from Canada writes: NTA - you mean that isn't your real name? Dam I was having great laughs thinking your business cards were printed on 11 by 14 legal paper!
  150. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Another Eg: 'Bankrupt The Liberals' would be a total idiot under any name. I challenge anybody to debate that point.
  151. Greg Van Zandt from Canada writes: Is LeBlanc part of the dream team? LOL.... he will bring the Liberals back to power? after all the only reason people voted Harper was to protest adscam. Oh wait that was 2006, I mean the only reason was Dion...or was it the Green shift? Anyway things will be back to normal soon....in Liberal la la land.
  152. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Jake the Snake from Canada writes: 'NTA - you mean that isn't your real name? '

    No, truth be told, 'Not the Alliance' is NOT my real name. LOL!!

    For practical purposes on these forums though, it is as 'Real' as any other 'name'. Again, I challenge anybody to prove otherwise...
  153. CC Rider from Toronto, Canada writes: Sorry LeBlanc, you are not made of the 'right stuff', so don't waste the money on a leadership run. Manley will see, as he surveys the
    Liberal territory for a leadership bid, that he has not got the support. Same ole, same ole!!!!!
  154. mike sty - from Canada writes: Greg Out West from Canada writes: Must be the liberal war room. Creepy

    Posted 28/10/08 at 11:42 AM EDT

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    Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    I agree with Elizabeth.
    Searching for people is a little creepy.

     Posted 28/10/08 at 12:17 PM EDT

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    Sharps new moniker ??? Greg out West ?????

    Creepy Creepy

    Only one other poster uses 'creepy' as much as Sharp and his/her various monikers..........SpicyCreep

    Spicy always defends Sharp even when its obvious he's lying.

    I'll bet a bottle of YukonJack that Spice = Sharp
  155. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Greg Van Zandt from Canada writes: 'Is LeBlanc part of the dream team? LOL.... he will bring the Liberals back to power? after all the only reason people voted Harper was to protest adscam. Oh wait that was 2006, I mean the only reason was Dion...or was it the Green shift? Anyway things will be back to normal soon'

    Hey Greg - careful what you wish for. Without AdScam or Dion, where's Harper? I would guess that he's either finishing his book on hockey or back lobbying for the NCC.

    You should be thankful for AdScam and Dion. Harper needed them.
  156. Stan L from Canada writes: First off, just how many speculative stories on who will be running for the Liberals do we need? (talk about picking scabs...sheesh) How about a few focussing in on the party in power, what they plan to do and what lawsuits they are planning on defending this year........THAT might be useful and interesting. As for the Liberal leadership, there is no reason LeBlanc shouldn't run...he won't win, but he is a good man and by far makes a better compliment to Canada then all the former beauty queens, cops and lumberjacks the Conservatives can muster on their best day.
  157. Bankrupt The Liberals from Canada writes: Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes:
    _______________________________________________
    CHANGE YOU NAME TO BOZO THE CLOWN.
    ITS A BETTER FIT BECAUSE ONLY A CLOWN WOULD POST LIKE YOU.
    IDIOT.
    YOU CAN TRY PETER PAN SYNDROME OR PIN HEAD.
    THEY WOULD WORK TOO.
    TRY NOT THE ALLIANCE MENTALLY BANKRUPT.
    THATS A GOOD ONE.
    TRY THIS ONE.
    I WAS BEAT UP AS A KID AND THATS WHY I AM A LIBTARD,
  158. paul gilliam from Gatineau, Canada writes:
    Perhaps Marg Atwood should run for the Leadership of the Libs. Unless of course she's waiting for a shot to lead the Bloc.
  159. Jake the Snake from Canada writes: Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: I was right.

    It's incredibly entertaining how petty and immature all the Liberal supporters are taking their drubbing.

    Your party is full of sh!tducks.

    Ditch the raging socialists and deal with your problems instead of whining like children.

    ==============================================

    Rick, I remember listening to some of Rutherford's show after the can alliance, under Doofus Day, took a drubbing. People were actually crying, effin tears, with Rutherford there to tell them everything will be alright. Screaming about how unfair are electoral system was, the west needs to seperate, we need proportional rep blah blah. So I guess one person's comedy is another person's tear jerker. Personally, I can't grasp anyone taking this sh!t so seriously.
  160. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Bankrupt The Liberals - keep going!! You're on a roll my good man. You've got your brain firing on all two cylinders!

    To all the others: I rest my case.
  161. Rain Couver from Canada writes: Oops, I meant to say that Harper got only 18% of the popular vote.
  162. Jake the Snake from Canada writes: Bankrupt The Liberals from Canada writes: Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes:
    _______________________________________________
    CHANGE YOU NAME TO BOZO THE CLOWN.
    ITS A BETTER FIT BECAUSE ONLY A CLOWN WOULD POST LIKE YOU.
    IDIOT.
    YOU CAN TRY PETER PAN SYNDROME OR PIN HEAD.
    THEY WOULD WORK TOO.
    TRY NOT THE ALLIANCE MENTALLY BANKRUPT.
    THATS A GOOD ONE.
    TRY THIS ONE.
    I WAS BEAT UP AS A KID AND THATS WHY I AM A LIBTARD,

    ==================================================

    See Rick C, now that's one emotionally unstable person who takes this stuff waaaaaaaayyyyy to seriously. Oh that anger, absolutely disturbing, let me guess, you wear a muscle shirt and your wife flinches everytime you raise your hand. This circle of violence must be stopped!
  163. Bankrupt The Liberals from Canada writes: Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes
    ______________________________________________________
    YOU THINK PEOPLE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY?
    YOU ARE THE GLOBE AND MAIL JOKE.
    EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
    YOU ARE FLAWED.
    MR. GIBBERISH
  164. paul gilliam from Gatineau, Canada writes:
    Brison has my vote. He's the only one of them who ever posed naked for a magazine layout.
  165. Greg Out West from Canada writes: mike sty - from Canada writes: Greg Out West from Canada writes: Must be the liberal war room. Creepy
    Sharps new moniker ??? Greg out West ?????

    Creepy Creepy
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    mike, what can I say, you caught me. I'm actually Mike Sharp. Your ability to see through others is just creepy.
  166. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Bankrupt The Liberals from Canada writes: 'Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes
    ______________________________________________________
    YOU THINK PEOPLE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY?
    YOU ARE THE GLOBE AND MAIL JOKE.
    EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
    YOU ARE FLAWED.
    MR. GIBBERISH '

    Oh, I hope people take me as seriously as I take myself.

    By the way, you're an idiot. Did you know that?
  167. Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: Jake the Snake from Canada writes:

    'Rick, I remember listening to some of Rutherford's show after the can alliance, under Doofus Day, took a drubbing. People were actually crying, effin tears, with Rutherford there to tell them everything will be alright.'

    Oh I didn't say it was a one way street. My advice to CA supporters at the time was similar. Ditch Day and the rest of the cooks that think the earth is only 6000 y/o.
  168. Greg Out West from Canada writes: paul gilliam from Gatineau, Canada writes:
    Brison has my vote. He's the only one of them who ever posed naked for a magazine layout.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Didn't Ray go skinny dipping ? Creepy
  169. Greg Van Zandt from Canada writes: Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Greg Van Zandt from Canada writes: 'Is LeBlanc part of the dream team? LOL.... he will bring the Liberals back to power? after all the only reason people voted Harper was to protest adscam. Oh wait that was 2006, I mean the only reason was Dion...or was it the Green shift? Anyway things will be back to normal soon' Hey Greg - careful what you wish for. Without AdScam or Dion, where's Harper? I would guess that he's either finishing his book on hockey or back lobbying for the NCC. You should be thankful for AdScam and Dion. Harper needed them. ------------ And after the Tories win again you can add the latest excuse to the mix. Boo hoo. Ask yourself what is behind those two issues and the lasting effect it will have on the Liberal brand? Adscam - not trustworthy, liars, crooks, etc. Dion - poor leadership, harmful policies, poor financial managers, etc.... Add the old infighting between the left and right of the party and their financial situation... Not going to be turned around by simply having a new leader. Even the liberal mouthpiece CBC student votes results show the country is turning blue. Keep underestimating Harper, he keeps proving you guys wrong.
  170. Bankrupt The Liberals from Canada writes: Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Bankrupt The Liberals from Canada writes: 'Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes
    _____________________________________________________
    YOU THINK PEOPLE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY?
    YOU ARE THE GLOBE AND MAIL JOKE.
    EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
    YOU ARE FLAWED.
    MR. GIBBERISH '

    Oh, I hope people take me as seriously as I take myself.

    By the way, you're an idiot. Did you know that?
    ____________________________________________________
    YOU GOTTA GET AWAY FROM THE MIRROR AND TALKING TO YOURSELF.
  171. Jake the Snake from Canada writes: Rick C from Calgary, Canada writes: Jake the Snake from Canada writes:

    'Rick, I remember listening to some of Rutherford's show after the can alliance, under Doofus Day, took a drubbing. People were actually crying, effin tears, with Rutherford there to tell them everything will be alright.'

    Oh I didn't say it was a one way street. My advice to CA supporters at the time was similar. Ditch Day and the rest of the cooks that think the earth is only 6000 y/o.

    ==============================================

    Fair enough Rick, I think the libs need to pull a plunger out and unclog some sh!t that's been hanging around the toilet for far too long. Yes it's time for an overhaul.

    BTW: the wife beater comment was directed at cap locks guy, my wording was a little poor, don't want you to misunderstand.
  172. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but excel at whining that it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Greg Van Zandt from Canada writes: 'And after the Tories win again you can add the latest excuse to the mix. Boo hoo. Ask yourself what is behind those two issues and the lasting effect it will have on the Liberal brand? Adscam - not trustworthy, liars, crooks, etc. Dion - poor leadership, harmful policies, poor financial managers, etc.... Add the old infighting between the left and right of the party and their financial situation... Not going to be turned around by simply having a new leader. Even the liberal mouthpiece CBC student votes results show the country is turning blue. Keep underestimating Harper, he keeps proving you guys wrong.' The lasting effect of the last two elections is that NO party has earned the right to govern in a majority. This, DESPITE Adscam and Dion, which are exactly as you describe. What does that tell you about Harper? And remember that Harper IS the party. That's the problem. He brought the party this far, but that's as far as he can go. He CANNOT seal the deal. Keep OVERestimating Harper and underestimating the fact that there is a centrist void in this country STILL waiting to be filled, and we will continue to have dysfunctional minorities.
  173. paul gilliam from Gatineau, Canada writes:
    Go Ignatief. Who better to lead Canada than someone who spent most of his life living abroad.
  174. Greg Out West from Canada writes: paul gilliam from Gatineau, Canada writes:
    Go Ignatief. Who better to lead Canada than someone who spent most of his life living abroad.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Paul I feel the same way about the GG. You trying to tell me that out of 33 million Canadians we can't find someone who was born and raised in Canada ? Dare to dream
  175. June from Western Canada from Canada writes: Tom Paine....go read a good book, like Martin's trashing of Chretien (that didn't work so well for Mulroney). Harper isn't going anywhere but will continue to lead the Party and the Country until told otherwise, either by his PARTY MEMBERS OR ELECTION which will be at least two years before the broke (and broken) Liberal party gets re-organized. Harper will name his cabinet..attend the G20 in the US and go about leading this country through some rocky times. We're all sick of hearing the Liberal whiners. You lost, live with it. Although Canada loves to honor its losers...Turner, Clark, Campbell, Martin, Dion...
  176. paul gilliam from Gatineau, Canada writes:
    After the Dion experience I can undertand why libs would consider someone a little more....manley.
  177. Tor Hill from Canada writes: Ignatieff surely won't defect to CPC. He is eying the bigger prize. Manley has publicly mused about running for the Liberal leadership; on that count alone, he can't defect. I don't think Mr. Harper will get any defections. I think he is out of the country getting briefed on what the heck is going on with the new economic order and his role. Elizabeth May for cabinet? Well, you never know....
  178. joe commonsense from Canada writes: What the liberals need is not to worry about who's gonna be the next leader but what will be their new vision (if that's possible ?) Maybe they need to brake tradition and have a meeting to establish that vision and than see who wants to carry it as a leader. I suspect though they'll still put the cart before the horses. - The center is taken by Harper, therefore to be a ligitamate voice in the next election, they have 3 choices : go even further left than they've had in the past ; go right of the conservative or disband. I beleive their best chance would be right of the conservative. This wont take place so consequently the voters will be giving them the pink slip.
  179. Tor Hill from Canada writes: I want to work the following into a post but don't know how. We all have to think bigger than we have been thinking. Everything is reductive, as seen in what we do to our non-renewable resources, the environment, other people. Think big. A lovely small town in Sask., Moosomin, on the Trans-Canada Highway, thinks big. Its newspaper is called The World Spectator. Spectate, think big and act accordingly, I say.
  180. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes: Greg Out West from Canada writes: mike sty - from Canada writes: Greg Out West from Canada writes: Must be the liberal war room. Creepy
    Sharps new moniker ??? Greg out West ?????

    Creepy Creepy
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    mike, what can I say, you caught me. I'm actually Mike Sharp. Your ability to see through others is just creepy.
    ]===============================================[

    If anyone is new to these fora, I'm sorry to disappoint you all.

    Apparently, I'm the only one posting here, with over 1000 aliases to my name.
    diane marie uses the word "fora".
    I am also diane marie.

    If you're new here and think you are replying to different people, sorry.

    You're only talking to Michael Sharp.

    It would be flattering if it wasn't so stupid.
  181. rick from river city from Canada writes: Leading the Liberals is no prize at this point in their history. Only those already in the party and working towards a pension would consider taking on the job of leading what was once a national party back to some semblance of respect and honour. Recycle, reuse will be the breadth of their search for a 'new' leader. So it becomes a choice between green behind the ears first or second term MP's and long-toothed dinosaurs still living in the Trudeau era. Neither is attractive to thinking Canadians.
  182. Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    Of course, I could post under multiple monikers if I had 50 PCs.
    I could have a big room set up, with all these computers in a circle and a chair on wheels.
    I could move from computer to computer, posting under whatever alias strikes my fancy.

    Whatever...
  183. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Jake - can you give me the # of Liberal votes over the past four elections relative to the number of Conservative votes?

    Then - I would look forward to your explanation of how the bottom has not dropped out of your party in terms of popular support
  184. thomson gary from Canada writes: The gutless coward already ran half a campaign, the first half, to be leader. Why not hold back and try running a second half?
  185. Mark Thomas from Toronto, Canada writes: Manley - is the best choice. He is and has been a Liberal Party member in good standing for many years. Rae and Iggy are still considered outsiders and Liberals of convenience.
  186. rick from river city from Canada writes: Mike Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes: Of course, I could post under multiple monikers if I had 50 PCs. I could have a big room set up, with all these computers in a circle and a chair on wheels. I could move from computer to computer, posting under whatever alias strikes my fancy.

    yea, but Sharpy then we would have to call you VERN
  187. paul gilliam from Gatineau, Canada writes:
    Why bother with Rae when his clone is currently the Premier of Ontario?
  188. Hugo Hall from Calgary, Canada writes: With a golden opportunity to reinvent itself, move back towards the political centre and actually have a chance to win next time around, the Liberals seem hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot again by choosing either the incompetent Bob Rae or Michael Ignatieff, who is extremely intelligent but has spent most of his life living outside Canada, as leader. It's really simple: the Liberals need to move away from the left, so as to differentiate themselves from the NDP, and they need to choose a capable leader with a proven track record in Canada. Either choose a capable centrist like Mr. Manley or Mr. McKenna, or lose the next election.
  189. John Doucette from Manotick, Canada writes: A good choice for the LIBCON side of the CONLIB-LIBCON duality who rule on behalf of the assorted foreign owners. God bless our Canadian colony.
  190. Jake the Snake from Canada writes: Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Jake - can you give me the # of Liberal votes over the past four elections relative to the number of Conservative votes?

    Then - I would look forward to your explanation of how the bottom has not dropped out of your party in terms of popular support

    =================================================

    I assume you already have those numbers at hand so I'm not going to bother, but if you don't then do your own research and post the results and I'll be happy to comment.

    BTW: I am not a member of any party, it's a Groucho Marx thing.
  191. Mike B from Canada writes: Mr. Manley would be an excellent choice to lead the Liberal Party. Might even be able to bridge the gap of the Martin - Chretien forces er Iggy and Rae. That's why it won't happen.
  192. Thomas D'Arcy McGee from Canada writes:
    How could John Manley function as leader of the Liberal Party when he takes his marching orders from Steven Harper?

    A lot of Liberals won't forget how quickly Manley jumped up and saluted "Ready, aye ready" when Harper needed a cooperartive stooge to give credibility to his Afghanistan commission fiasco.

    Manley's not on my list of qualified contenders for this job.
  193. Greg Out West from Canada writes: Thomas D'Arcy McGee from Canada writes:
    How could John Manley function as leader of the Liberal Party when he takes his marching orders from Steven Harper?

    A lot of Liberals won't forget how quickly Manley jumped up and saluted "Ready, aye ready" when Harper needed a cooperartive stooge to give credibility to his Afghanistan commission fiasco.

    Manley's not on my list of qualified contenders for this job.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Let me get this straight. We have a minority government where all parties have to work together for the good of the country and you feel Manley is unqualified because he may be the only liberal ever willing to work with another party ?
  194. Mike B from Canada writes: To add to Greg's point... Manley hasn't forgotten who sent the troops over seas in the first place (like most liberals conveniently have), and flip fopping positions for political expedience goes to the heart of the problems facing the Liberal party. No credibility.
  195. Bill Tweezer from Canada writes: Its kind of funny how many people are still saying harper must go, well for their info he just won an election.
  196. Cheap Skate from Canada writes: Bill Tweezer from Canada writes: Its kind of funny how many people are still saying harper must go, well for their info he just won an election.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Actually for the third time he failed to gain total power, and he achieved less than 40% of the popular votes cast. In fact of the total number of eligible voters, he received less than 25%. In anyone's book that's a failure to achieve. What was noticable in this election was not that the conservatives won, but rather how many Liberal votes did not show up. That's not a victory by Harper, that is the failure of the opposition to win.
  197. Brian C from Canada writes:
    Manley could run for the Liberal leadership, or he could run for mayor of Toronto. He'd definitely have more influence if he became mayor rather than becoming the leader of the opposition and running a regional party.
  198. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Bill Tweezer from Canada writes: "Its kind of funny how many people are still saying harper must go, well for their info he just won an election. "

    He won his second election in a row. Most Liberals are still in a state of denial. Apparently 37% of the vote represented a strong mandate for Chretien but for Harper it's a rejection.
  199. Jimmy K from Toronto, Canada writes: Manley is a smart, capable, centrist, intelligent man, who could win a majority government if he ran a strong campaign, and a minority by default if the economy stays as is. Therefore, I think it's 100% obvious and clear to all that there is no way in hell the Liberals would choose him as their leader.

    Instead, it'll be a Dion II, but one with less experience that Canadians don't know, such as a LeBlanc ("just coz"), or Ruby Dallah ("coz she's hot"), or even Justin Trudeau ("coz look at his name! omg")

    Hah. Liberals. A never ending comedy troupe.
  200. Where in the world is Stephen Harper? from Canada writes: .

    Where in the world is Stephen Harper? He could be at the death star creating smear and attack pre-writ ads against LeBlanc. Counting out his money and paying his shills and barely post-pubescent online team to begin digging up dirt and awkward pictures of LeBlanc and his family.
  201. Ron Pacific from Victoria, Canada writes: Manley is no different than Harper. He strongly favours Canadian integration with the USA and was ready to do Harper's bidding when it came to extend the Afghan war. He is very much in favour of the intrusive, expensive and undemocratic security measures put in place under the Bush Department of Homeland Security. Manley also wishes to abolish Canada's monarchy and convert us into a republic - again removing our distinctiveness from the USA. If Manley gets elected, the country will be unrecognizable when he is finished and, in fact, will be part of the USA.
  202. June from Western Canada from Canada writes: Liberals only took 26% of the votes...what does that say? Give it up. I like that Manley was man enough to put his country first, to give a report that was respected by all. About time we have people on both (or all parties) start to act like statemen instead of partisan hacks throwing mud that doesn't address any of the issues voters want. The fact we may never have majority governments again means spending $1 billion over 6 years for endles nonsensical elections. Stay partisan, Canadians....it's so nation building...

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