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Brown's new best friend

Posted by Andrew Grice
  • Thursday, 11 December 2008 at 02:43 pm
BRUSSELS: What a difference two months makes. The last time Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy went to Brussels, it was elbows at dawn as they jostled to get the credit for the plan to rescue the world's banks. As EU leaders arrived for another Brussels summit this afternoon, Sarkozy is Brown's new best friend. They both agree on the need for a stimulus package to limit the scale of the recession and want EU leaders to agree to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 20 per cent by 2020.

The PM and French President both have problems with Germany. It is wary about the EU stimulus plan (although won't block it) and the climate change agreement. Brown is livid about the stinging attack on his "crass Keynesianism" by the German Finance Minister Peer Steinbruck, although he won't make a formal complaint to the German Chancellor Angela Merkel at the summit. She is a Christian Democrat and Steinbruck a Social Democrat and Brown feels he's caught in the crossfire of a battle raging inside Germany's left-right governing coalition over whether to opt for a bigger fiscal stimulus. Brown's personal relationship with Merkel is fine but Sarkozy rarely sees eye to with her. But events have brought the PM and Sarko closer together, perhaps on the principle that my enemy's enemy is my friend.

The new entente cordiale may have its limits, however. Both Brown and Sarkozy want to be the first European leader to be invited to Washington by Barack Obama. The betting is that Sarko will win that one. But Brown already has a consolation prize in the bag: the new US President is coming to London next April for a world summit on the economic crisis.

Comments

Brown's new best friend
[info]plettan wrote:
Thursday, 11 December 2008 at 04:17 pm (UTC)
Gordon Brown is far closer to Nicholas Sarkozy than either is prepared to admit. Indeed, Sarkozy is to the left of Brown when it comes to the defence of national issues. Germany under Merkel like Canada under Harper are in denial over the depth and length of the recession. Brown has been caught in the crossfire.

Steinbruck like Cameron is in similar denial.

Those under 35-40 are destined to pay lifelong higher taxes to pay for the elder care of Saga Boomers. There is no way round that except increased immigration.

The UK and France are better placed to cope than most European countries. But that means the UK and France need to speak up for the positive contribution of immigrants and stop kowtowing to the racists.

I won't hold my breath.
Re: Brown's new best friend
[info]pragmaticpat wrote:
Thursday, 11 December 2008 at 06:50 pm (UTC)
Plettan makes the common mistake of equating anything remotely anti-immigration synonomous with racism. The UK is full-up. Thats my view. I would like to hear from others where they think the population level should be. To equal the current population density of the UK, France would need to increase its population by circa twenty million. 20,000,000 people. (It needs spelling out).
Optimal population
[info]plettan wrote:
Saturday, 13 December 2008 at 10:25 am (UTC)
Pragmaticpat, the UK is not full up nor will it be with 70 million people. Scotland can easily accomodate 10 million, Wales 6-7 million, Northern Ireland 4-5 million. It would be good for their economies and ensure survival of schools, hospitals, health care and other dying services in those countries. The Borders, Cumbria, the Welsh marches, the south west, could all benefit from increased population. Liverpool is still half the size it was in the 1950s. I could go on. Optimal UK population I estimate 95-110 million. Add another 10 million to dependent territories potential growth. Full up in 2008? I expect the UK to be larger than Germany and Russia by the end of this century, if it plays its cards right. Of course, France could top us by 30 million or so. But they integrate and inter-marry less than we do. And there are less french speakers worldwide. So I expect the UK to be the largest and most dynamic country in Europe over the next century. Plus much of our surplus would find employment in a welcoming Europe.
but surely not standing room only
[info]forwardplanning wrote:
Tuesday, 23 December 2008 at 06:13 pm (UTC)
Sorry Plettan, I agree with pragmaticpat.

Firstly, if international bodies and even the EU recognise we are one of the most densely populated countries in the world and we no viable infrastructure, then we have no room for more people.

We need to apply common sense, be pragmatic and realistic.

We do have a housing shortage

The schools are overfilling and resources are overstretched, because few of the migrant children can actually speak English

Our transport infrastructure is a joke and over expensive. Are you aware there are potholes on the M25 and A14? A substantial number of 'B' roads would be better suited for rally racing? Where I live it has got to be well over 5 years since the lane lines were painted and no-one drives within eight inches of the edge of the road if they don't want to be paying for wheel tracking and realignment every two months?

And before I hear the, 'but that's what the migrants can work on'.

I sincerely hope the people advocating this, recognise when they arrive here there is nowhere for them to live. Surely they will not be expected to live on the streets while they are building the homes for those already here waiting for somewhere to live, or should they jump the queue because they are building them? But doesn't that defeat the object of them coming in the first place?

Or is it expected they be housed in hotels at taxpayer cost? But the taxpayer has been doing this for 100's of 1000's for over five years, isn't that a tad unfair? Afterall, they may have their own offspring they are trying help to get their first home?

Perhaps those advocating this, should be prepared to house them, in their own homes if need be and at their expense.

And we shouldn't forget the UK carbon footprint has got to be reduced by 40% as well. Oh, and as a final shot, the Head of the National Grid has said we can expect power cuts by 2012 and that's with our current population.

No sorry, concreting over the UK is not way forward.