September 21, 2005

Europe Died in Auschwitz?

From Spanish Journalist Sebastian Villar Rodriguez.

Europe died in Auschwitz

I was walking along Raval (Barcelona) when all of a sudden I understood that Europe died with Auschwitz.

We assassinated 6 million Jews in order to end up bringing in 20 million Muslims!

We burnt in Auschwitz the culture, intelligence and power to create. We burnt the people of the world, the one who is proclaimed the chosen people of God. Because it is the people who gave to humanity the symbolic figures who were capable of changing history (Christ, Marx, Einstein,
Freud…) and who is the origin of progress and wellbeing.

We must admit that Europe, by relaxing its borders and giving in under the pretext of tolerance to the values of a fallacious cultural relativism, opened it’s doors to 20 million Muslims, often
illiterates and fanatics that we could meet, at best, in places such as Raval, the poorest of the nations and of the ghettos, and who are preparing the worst, such as the 9/11 and the Madrid
bombing and who are lodged in apartment blocs provided by the social welfare.

We also have exchanged culture with fanaticism, the capacity to create with the will to destroy, the wisdom with the superstition. We have exchanged the transcendental instinct of the Jews, who even under the worst possible conditions have always looked for a better peaceful world, for the suicide bomber. We have exchanged the pride of life for the fanatic obsession of death. Our death and that of our children.

What a grave mistake that we made!!!

H/T Cartago Delenda Est.

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18 Responses to “Europe Died in Auschwitz?”

  1. stephanie Says:

    Wow is that an incredibly insulting post. Our numeral system comes from the Muslim tradition. Geometry, algebra…both come from the Muslim culture. Medicine flourished in earlier muslim cultures, and what they wrote down underpins much of what we know today.
    I don’t deny their are terrorists, and narrowminded fundies-but I’m not convinced the majority. I live in Dearobrn. My next door neighbors are muslim. Extrapolate this to the US, and they would be “among the 20 million”. And I bitterly resent the categorization of them as “often
    illiterates and fanatics”. Umm no. That’s pretty scary talk.

  2. newton Says:

    The point of the post is that God has a way to let peoples know He’s not happy when the mistreat His chosen people - the Jews.
    \”I will bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee.”
    That promise given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has been fulfilled miraculously over the centuries. Look at what has happened to the people who has mistreated the Jewish people. Nazi Germany. The Spanish Empire. The Russian Empire/Soviet Union. The Romans. The Chaldeans. Etc. Etc…
    For that reason, I believe that posting was right on target.
    I don’t have time to discuss a couple of other things that I have happened to encounter over the years, Stephanie, but I can tell you one thing. The concept of Umma in the Muslim religion is very clear. Once they had possession of something - land, whatever - it is always theirs, eve if it is taken away from them. Look at Cordoba (Spain). Look at the Gates of Vienna. I don’t want to discuss much.
    Just go and look at the stuff happenning in Spain, France, Britain, the Netherlands, Germany, etc. Don’t take it from me. Please.

  3. TheAnchoress Says:

    Stephanie - I understand your passion…but I think our number system, and the wonderful engineering etc, came from the ARABS way before Mohammed ever moved his mountain - or am I wrong? Islam is, 1hat, 1400 years old. We had our numeral system in place, from the Arabs, long before that.

    I don’t think the fellow is being “insulting.” He’s living the reality of huge influxes of - yes, often illiterate and often completely fundamentalist - Islamists who are disinterested in assimilating to the ways of the new country, who are instead insisting that their new countries begin to adapt THEIR ways.

    Is every Muslim immigrant like that? Of course not. Every muslim isn’t a terrorist, either. But all the terrorists do seem to be muslims. And that doesn’t mean ARAB, either. The Shoe Bomber was an Englishman! :-)

  4. stephanie Says:

    Grenada flourished…was the leader in math, science, art, architecture…up until the Christians took control in, I believe, 1492. Somewhere in there- right before Columbus, I remember that. THEN was the dark ages. All of these flourished under Islam, after Mohammed- from about the 8th century, I believe

  5. stephanie Says:

    Islam is the fastest growing reliogion on earth today- such people were probably jerks long before they were muslim ;-)

  6. jrp Says:

    What we call ‘Arabic Numerals’ are in fact ripped off from the Indians, who were using something like them from 700BC. Arabs used to call them ‘Indian numbers’.

    Further, to say things like “Medicine flourished in earlier muslim cultures, and what they wrote down underpins much of what we know today.” implies a complete misunderstanding of the ebbs and flows of history. Lots of things have been lost and rediscovered over the course of history - ‘underpins’ is entirely the wrong sentiment.

    Regarding your ‘Grenada’ comment: it’s true in all cultures and for all times that the rich/powerful in centers of trade such as Grenada had access to resources such as you mention, partly due to the syncretic nature of trading areas, but the vast majority of people were just farmers - lived and died dumb in a handful of mile area. Thus, in your above cases, ‘flourished’ is in much the same way we can say Constantinople ‘flourished’ in the 8thC - but not at all in the same way we can say London ‘flourished’ in the 18thC, or even Germany in the 16th. Grenada became less useful because it was no longer an important trade center.

    Another point about ‘flourishing’: the middle classes weren’t invented in the way we understand them to be until about the 13-14c - and it’s very strongly due to Jewish influences (since Jews weren’t generally welcome to stick around, they had to move around a lot, making lives as traders, and by extension, bankers). Jews, for instance, are specifically mentioned in the Magna Carta. Jewish traders moved through Muslim lands as well - and all things point to their being carriers of knowledge from one culture to another. All signs point to their being a benefit to any culture that kept them around - until their society felt that their individual prosperity wasn’t as good as the average Jew, after which they proceeded to slaughter them. (One sees the same pattern reoccuring in the middle-east for the past 60 years. This time, the Jews are being allowed to fight back - albeit with one hand tied behind their back.)

    So, ‘flourished under Islam, after Mohammed’ is a plainly invalid sentiment. The Western European ‘Dark Ages’ are vastly underrated in many people’s minds - almost equal in proportion to the Islamic “Enlightenment” being overrated, it seems to me.

  7. sigcarl Says:

    It was a great excerpt. Period, end of story.

  8. stephanie Says:

    As long as no one has any torches. It was propoganda. Nasty, evil propoganda. But maybe that’s why i’m not a huge fan of religion. Big fan of God- not a fan of “chosen people” and the “better than everyone else” meme that ran through it.

  9. Donna Says:

    Big fan of God- not a fan of “chosen people” and the “better than everyone else” meme that ran through it.

    Stephanie, “salvation is from the Jews.” If you don’t like that, then take it up with Jesus. He’s the one who said it.

    O.K., so maybe that doesn’t impress you, because “you’re not a huge fan of religion.” But even the most secular soul has to be amazed when contemplating the Jews. They’re a tiny, tiny fraction of the human race and yet they have produced the Bible and far more than their share of brilliant and talented individuals. And they have maintained their unique identity though centuries of relentless persecution. It’s incredible that there are still living, breathing Jews in existence. That is one sign to me that they do indeed have a special place in God’s plan.

    As Paul Johnson (an English Catholic) wrote in “A History of the Jews,” anti-semitism is a poison that corrupts and ultimately destroys the societies that harbor it. It happened in Germany and we can see it happening today in the Muslim countries. “Those who curse you” really are cursed - with their own envy and hatred and misery.

    Have you ever wondered, stephanie, why the entire Muslim world, which extends from North Africa to SE Asia, has their collective panties in a permanent wad over the existence of a tiny little sliver of a country? Not because they care about the Palestinians - very little Arab oil money has gone toward improving their lot. No, it’s because they cannot stand that a formerly Islamic country is now run by “the sons of pigs and monkeys” (a quote straight from the Koran - tell me more about “nasty, evil propaganda”). And, to make matters worse, Israel is successful and prosperous, while their own countries are sinkholes of misery. Do they try to improve their own countries? No, it’s easier to scream about the Jews, who make them look so bad by comparison.

    Rodriquez tells the straight truth in this article. Europe killed its own soul in Auschwitz - it is now suffering the consequences.

  10. stephanie Says:


    Yes, I think they are an amazing people, with amazing spirit. Since you asked, I think the Muslim world is upset about Isreal’s existance b/c it was taken from the people who had lived there for 3000 years. (That said, I’ll also say that it’s been 60 years, they need to get over it. Palestians (and te muslim world) could have largely recovered any “lost wealth” if they hadn’t spent so much time, energy and money into trying futilely to change something beyond their control.)

    HOWEVER, I don’t buy the “they dehumanize us, so it’s ok to dehumanize them” argument. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Period.

  11. newton Says:

    Stephanie, you’re playing with (divine) fire here!
    Israel has existed for over 3000 years. More and more archaeology over there is uncovering lots of stuff from times as far back as King David (!)
    So, you don’t believe in the whole concept of the “chosen people”…
    I will tell you right now that the fact that the Jewish people have survived for over 3000 years in spite of wars, conquests, persecutions, pogroms, and even a holocaust that would have exterminated them from the face of this Earth if Satan’s little helper (Hitler) had had his way… That tells me that there is a God indeed, that He will protect His people, and that He will judge very harshly those who mess up with “the apple of His eye” - that’s how He calls them.
    Also, do you know where the name “Palestine” came from? Oh, that’s right. That was the Roman’s modification of “Philistine”, which was the people at the tip of Gaza who were eventually exterminated in the Middle Ages, and who were - in times past - enemies of Israel (!) way back then, even before King David’s time. I tell you a little secret - the Romans began using that name after destroying Jerusalem in AD 70, wiping out the resistance at Bar-Kochba years later, and declaring that Jews were banned from returning from their own lands.
    So, don’t give me that s*** of “the Arabs were there before”, because it shows a stratling ignorance of history.
    Stephanie, maybe it’s time that you take a good weekend and read a good bunch of the entire Hebrew Scriptures, especially the prophets, such as Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Zachariah. Oh, get a hold of Genesis, for starters.
    Oh, and get a hold of a good bunch of Hostory books to complement it.
    God promised it. He fulfilled it. And He still does, no matter what the PLO, Hamas, Hizb’allah, and all the radical imams of the word say!
    God commands. He always has, He always will.
    End of discussion!
    - BTW, I told you to not get me started!

  12. newton Says:

    Oh, yeah. Even the Romans acknowledged that that was the land of the Jews, can you believe it. Even the conqueror.
    Doesn’t that tell you something?
    Read Josephus. You might be surprised.
    Don’t take the “apple of His eye” thing from me. Go check the book of Zechariah the prophet. Or better yet, ask a rabbi for a change!

  13. TheAnchoress Says:

    The Palestinians of today are mostly Jordanians who were cast out of there. There are no real “Palestinians.”

    As to the Muslims living in Jerusalem for 3,000 years…what about the Jews who lived there for 3000 years before them? Doesn’t that count?

    You’re right. Time to move on. :-)

  14. TheAnchoress Says:

    Timmy - FYI Stephanie is a long-time poster and friend of this site and a good person. You are “brand new” to this site and as yet unknown. I suggest you don’t come in trying to kick around my liberal readers…it’s not a good plan, okay? First because they are as welcome here as you are, second because it will annoy me . Very much.

    Just so you know.

  15. stephanie Says:

    Thank you Anchoress, that is very nice of you. Timmy- I visit here cause I like the company! Am I contrarian? Yeah, sometimes, a little ;-)

  16. TheAnchoress Says:

    Timmy -

    You don’t have to prove yourself a “good person.” Just don’t come in and start asking longtime posters why they are here and whey they don’t find some other place to be - if you can’t see badly that went over, I can’t help you! :-)

    You are free to post here. That’s HOW we will get to know you.

    So far, I’m noticing that you are smart and articulate, but a little on the sensitive and high-maintenance side! :-)

    Just lighten up, enjoy. Don’t sniff, I can’t stand sniffing!

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  18. lucky6666 Says:

    Steph, you are right that many many years ago, the arab cultures led civilization in many fronts. So what has happened there? Why are they still stuck in the middle ages, while the rest of the civilized worl has developed in all those fronts you meantion?

    Why is the muslim worl still in the middle ages? Including Dearborn. I used to work in Dearborn, and if there is some difference there, that is clearly the influence of western culture on a backwards people

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