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October 14, 2006

UFC 64 :: Rich Franklin vs. Anderson Silva

Bout for the UFC Middleweight Title.

Both fighters tentative in the first 30 seconds. Franklin tests the range with a left kick, then a right. Silva looking to counter. Franklin misses with an overhand right. They clinch and Anderson lands a couple of knees. Silva with a Muay Thai clinch, looking for knees. He landed one and Franklin appears hurt. Another big knee, Franklin is hurt badly. Silva moving in and connects with huge leg kick to the top of Franklin's head. Another kick to the body and yet another knee to the head. Franklin's down and it's over. Middleweight champ Rich Franklin is knocked out by Anderson Silva. Silva, in only his second fight in the UFC, is the new UFC middleweight champion at 2:59 of the first round in a TKO.

Posted by Steve Sievert at October 14, 2006 11:49 PM


Franklin looked like he didn't even want to be in the ring. He didn't show anything tonight. He just stood there and took shots from Silva. Oh well, the other bouts were pretty entertaining.

Posted by: Tony` at October 15, 2006 12:55 AM

Anderson Silva is one tough dude. They both are good guys and true sportsman; trash talking or bullied comments weren't leaked from either figher. I know Franklin trained heavily for this fight but Anderson just seemed more viable.

Posted by: Victor Thomas at October 15, 2006 12:57 AM

i was just blown away by how anderson just man handled rich.i knew it wouldn't be no cakewalk for rich,but i would say rich got worse than leban did.everybody had to have seen his nose,it looked like the shape of a banana.now this is where we see if rich is a true champ or not. i would love to see him come back and reign supreme on him.

Posted by: josh at October 15, 2006 12:57 AM

I'm still in shock. Franklin had no idea how to deal with this guy. Looking forward to the rematch!

Posted by: Bad Santa at October 15, 2006 03:37 AM

I thought that Silva outclassed Franklin completely. It was that rock solid muay thai clinch that Franklin just couldn't seem to get out of, coupled with the precision kneeing to the body he really hurt Franklin. At one point Franklin looked scared after a couple of knees to the body. I bet a broken rib, but we'll have to see in the upcoming news reports. I guess there is a way to beat the 'un-beatable' Franklin, that is, lock up with him as hard as you can and knee him until he falls to the floor. Franklin is a fist thrower, not a clincher or grappler...Silva suprised him and won decisively. Normally, Franklin out classes his opponents, this time he was on the opposite end of it. Silva is the man to beat at 185lbs.

Posted by: nick at October 15, 2006 08:54 AM

Wow...I have never seen the deer in the headlights look from Franklin before but he had it in the clinch for sure. He was manhandled by Silva and took some punishment. It just looked like he couldn't handle Silva's muay thai style. Hope he can make a return to champ again or will Silva reign for a while??

Posted by: Darren at October 15, 2006 09:03 AM

Franklin Will come back, get a rematch and show Silva who the Boss is.

Posted by: Pitbull at October 15, 2006 09:08 AM

Anderson Silva Was the "Truth"..Superb Muay Thai skills excellent striker...dominating and securing Rich Franklin's defeat within the 1st round. Never before in Franklin career has someone laid him to rest like that . Excellent Fight and the UFC will start seeing a transition of "skilled" fighters just like boxing had...wait and see.

Posted by: The Truth at October 15, 2006 09:17 AM

I have never been so suspicious about fight rigging until I watched this fight. After all, isn't UFC supposed to be "Real"? Franklin's countenance, before he entered the octagon, looked like he had already sold his integrity (I'm sure for a nice price tag though). I have been watching UFC for 7 years and I have never seen anything like it before. Franklin allowed Silva to man handle him without any resistance what so ever. What a disappointment! I think I might be switching over to Pride fighting, at least until it becomes corrupt as well. It's true that fighting is the most corrupt sport around but I'm upset that I paid money to see that kind of trash. Dana White needs to send his fighters to acting school before he tells them to "Take a dive".

Posted by: Brandon at October 15, 2006 11:45 AM

How did Silvia even get that fight? How do you get a title shot with your 2nd UFC bout?

Posted by: jackgt at October 15, 2006 12:59 PM

Rich didn't look good in his pre-fight promos. He looked gaunt and seemed to have mouse from training.

Posted by: Mike at October 15, 2006 12:59 PM

It's a shame, but Anderson was the better man last night.

He looked stronger and with the knees did almost all the job, was really shocking to see Rich beaten up.

Posted by: Victor at October 15, 2006 01:16 PM

mark my words, pride fighters are on a different level then ufc fighters.

Posted by: Mike at October 15, 2006 01:34 PM

Rich deserves a rematch. However, he got beat bad and fast by Silva. Let's make this interesting and do it AGAIN.

Posted by: Kris at October 15, 2006 01:51 PM

I agree with Tony it looked like Rich wasn't all there. It wasn't the Rich fight I've seen b4. It looked as if he was sick or emotionally disturbed. Whatever the case, it got the best of him. I'll look forward to him coming back.

Posted by: Lemac at October 15, 2006 03:09 PM

I had high hopes for Rich Franklin. He didn't even fight like a Champion. I don't know if he didn't know how defend the knee strikes, but it was embarrasing to watch. It didn't make any sense that he was beaten so easily. Anderson Silva isn't even that good. He hasn't fought anybody. Rich Franklin needs to train with Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture because they are true Champs.

Posted by: Curtis Beck at October 15, 2006 03:24 PM

This guy showed the world how bad Rich is as a fighter. Hope Rich goes back to teaching and leave fighting to fighters. Bye Bye Rich!

Posted by: Eddie Vedder at October 15, 2006 05:04 PM

First off how can you people say that Rich isn't even a good fighter! The man has only lost two fights in his whole career simply the best is his class that's why Danna had to go fishin' overseas for competition. He is the classiest champ the UFC has ever had, and a true champ will always come back to be on top. We'll see the rematch Rich is smart fighter. Coming off the injuries he had and steping into a fight of this magnitude is a lot to ask from any fighter come on give the man some credit!

Posted by: Red dogg at October 15, 2006 07:00 PM

Good points at the end. Rich had NOTHING!!! Who knows why... but it certainly was sad. I DON'T KNOW RICH FROM ADAM... BUT I KNOW PEOPLE!!! If he ever gets back in w/ Silva (which I DO NOT believe he would)... it will be the same thing. Having one's nose meet one's ear... makes one smell fear better then ever!!!

Posted by: kill bill at October 15, 2006 07:07 PM

rich franklin was sick coming into this fight, he was weak and pale. he will be back soon and show silva what kind of a fighter he really is. rich will be the champ again soon.

Posted by: tom at October 15, 2006 07:28 PM

Anderson Silva hasn't fought anybody?

He has wins over Jorge Rivera, Lee Murray, Jeremy Horn, Carlos Newton and Hayato Sakurai. All very tough guys.

Posted by: Honky Dory at October 15, 2006 07:55 PM

Curtis Beck - I don't mean to be so harsh but you are just plain ignorant. Silva hasn't fought anyone?? Hello! I guess you've never heard of Jeremy Horn, Carlos Newton (UFC welterweight who lost belt to Hughes), Lee Murray, Jorge Rivera or Tony Fryklund. Dude, try thinking before you type!

Posted by: Marsh at October 15, 2006 08:44 PM

This fight just shows you Pride fighters are just better. Pride has so much more depth, Silva wasn't even top 5 fighter in pride. There are guys like henderson, kang, misaki, filho, infront of silva. Who does UFC have? Only good fighters in UFC are the title holders except Sylvia, that guy's a joke. But now that Silva took rich's belt, who does he have to worry about? swick? leben? hahaha

Posted by: Kevin at October 15, 2006 09:14 PM

Come on guys, Anderson Silva needs to be given some credit. If you fight in the Pride league then come over to UFC....it's like going down to the minors. The truth is the look on Rich Franklin's face was that of fear as he came into the ring. Rich is a smart guy and I'm sure he's studied Silva's tapes. He knew what kind of beating he was going to take. Pride fighters are the real deal. Look at what Quinton Jackson did to Chuck Liddell...and it's never talked about in the UFC. Chuck is now making all kinds of excuses NOT to fight Wanderlei Silva (Prides #1 guy) because he knows he would be totally out matched. Oh ya, in the same competition where Chuck got his butt kicked by Quinton Jackson...Wanderlei Silva took Jackson apart in the finals. Like I said early...The UFC is a sub-par league which Dana White and the boyz have marketed very well. True fight fans know where the skilled fighters are....and it's not in the UFC.


Posted by: Joseph at October 15, 2006 09:28 PM

Some funny questions on here...

1. How did Anderson Silva get the fight?

are you mad? he's a fricking murderer...he has terrorized guys in Pride and Vale Tudo Brazil for a few years. UFC is the minor leagues of the fighting world...hate to say it. Just because you haven't seen a guy, don't forget, Japan and Brazil is the proper stage for MMA, not the USA (the US spent years trying to STOP MMA!)

PRIDE...it's a different game.

2. How does he get a title shot in only his second fight?

Again, see #1. Second minor league fight...probably his 12th proper fight though.

3. Rich looked dazed...he must have had something wrong...

Yeah...he ate 4 knees, a huge kick up top, and another bullet of a kick to the body. That's when he looked dazed. Even in pre-fight interviews he knew he was in for it...his first real test, and Silva absolutely smoked him.

I like Franklin...he's super classy. I'd like to hear his thoughts after the fight because I'm sure he'd confirm that nothing was wrong...he just plain made bad decisions and got his a** whipped.

P.S. if Dana White from UFC stops hiding Chuck Liddell from Pride fighters Wanderlei Silva or Mirko Crocop or Fedor Emilianenko, the 'Iceman' will get rocked worse than Rich Franklin did.

Posted by: Ian at October 15, 2006 09:34 PM

At 22-1 Rich is no slouch, but you've gotta see that Anderson has fought in every country, every opponent, just because he has no fights in the UFC doesn't mean he's not tough as nails (i.e. the man that knocked out Liddell is not fighting UFC) Anderson is just a problem to fight...for anyone!!!

Posted by: Niik at October 15, 2006 09:52 PM

If anyone has seen Silva fight before this bout, you would have called it like I did: This guy isn't going anywhere for awhile. Silva is a champion.

Posted by: jabbo at October 15, 2006 11:01 PM

Well I think Rich is a very good fighter but come on you have to give it to Silva this guy comes to the UFC and beats the best 2 guys in the ufc in the first round. That tells you that he will be a champ for a while and Rich will never beat him again.

Posted by: Z-no at October 15, 2006 11:53 PM

Wow, Never seen anybody get dominated like that before. You could see the fear in Franklin's eyes when he couldn't get out of the clinch. He also had no answer for Silva. Missing with knees and punches. If there is a rematch, Franklin will lose because he's afraid of Silva now.

Posted by: rawburtoe at October 16, 2006 12:19 AM

Anderson Silva is the truth!!

Posted by: B Real at October 16, 2006 03:22 AM

I knew the outcome of this fight. I have followed Silva since cage wars, this is a different type of fighter. Franklin did not know how to go about this bout his blows were right on target and Chuck Liddell will get owned by Wandy.

Posted by: Jorge at October 16, 2006 07:52 AM

Posted by: Eddie Vedder at October 15, 2006 05:04 PM..... This guy, "Eddie Veter" ... how can anyone who isn't a fighter talk about how bad a fighter Rich Franklin is. No matter if you like him or not, one can't get in a chat room and talk a bunch of smack like you are something. The Internet is a lot like the telephone, people get on it and think they are tough. it is pathetic, not, you are pathetic "Eddie Vetter." Also, pick a real name, not that of a washed up singer.

Posted by: Diablo at October 16, 2006 09:25 AM

I knew Silva was going to win this fight despite his 27% chance predicts posted on the fight poll on the UFC website. I didn't think he would demolish Franklin in this fight, but win nonetheless. Franklin knew Silva was dangerous even before Silva he fought Chris, Franklin even said 'I was not surprised that fight went that way'. I am so tried of seeing all the haters on this forums not giving credit where credit is due, by saying Silva didn't deserve a fight (which he proved he did in the first round), Franklin was sick, and this is my personnel favorite is Franklin took a fall. What next Silva is part of the mafia and holding Franklins school students as insurance for his victory. Silva is a class guy and a champion and Franklin is a class guy and a champion who just caught a few knees and kicks to the head.

Posted by: Sharp at October 16, 2006 10:26 AM

Dana White now has the problem of trying to market a middle weight champion that doesn't speak a word of english. The UFC has been built on the popularity of the ultimate fighter show. Dana doesn't care if he has the best fighters in the UFC he wants the most marketable fighters(money) and Silva is far from it. Dana White must be sitting in his office kicking himself for setting up the fight like this one. Silva is far better then any fighter in 185lb class the UFC has. A Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva match will never happen if White has half of a brain. He will then have two champs that don't speak a word of English. White has built an empire, by getting the general public interested(reaching far more people) then just concentrating on the hardcore mma fight fan. Franklin is good fighter that will never regain a title unless his ground game vastly improves. If there were a rematch Silva would bang him out standing up or if it went to floor.

Posted by: bigdick at October 16, 2006 03:06 PM

Let's face it, guys. Rich looked completely sketched out coming in the the ring. I was pretty shocked seeing him walking through the crowd. I have never seen a champion in any sport look like that before the game.

Did he know that this was going to be it for him?

I think that Rich and Matt also have relied on their size to win fights. Rich is a massive middleweight, don't forget, but once in with Silva he just looked like a complete novice in with a guy of similar size and strength.

Rich seems a nice guy and is always gracious. No one should slag him off. Anyone who has the guts to get in the octagon deserves a lot of credit. And I will be surprised if we see Rich fight again. I can't see him ever wanting to fight Silva again because he will know it would be the same result.

If we do see Rich again, all credit to him as he will then prove himself to be a real fighter.

Posted by: Rob at October 16, 2006 03:10 PM

Franklin Will come back, get a rematch and show Silva who the Boss is.

Posted by: Pitbull at October 15, 2006 09:08 AM

lol let me know when so i can see it with my own eyes=-=- note rich is a new fighter with special skills,anderson is a veteran on the worldwide platform,for now rich will have to take second to the spiderman=-=-guys like crocop and darth dedor own your ufc souls

Posted by: enhancer at October 16, 2006 06:05 PM

I honestly believe that when Silva had the Muy Thai clench around Franklins neck and slung him accross the ring...that had a drastic effect on Franklin...he seemed helpless afterwards. His entire stance changed after that...I know people who have had neck injuries and they said that pulling or pushing or any force of any kind will effect anything you do subsequently...as if that wasn't enough...the knee to the nose was bad. Both fighters are great...I don't think we've seen the last of Franklin. A coworker suggested that Franklins general stance and behavior were that of someone paid to lose. Not sure if I agree with that or not but that was not the Franklin I've seen before. Either way, what happened happened and thats history. I'd love to see more of the non UFC affiliated fighters fight in the UFC because saying your the best at a specific weight class means nothing if you haven't fought everyone willing and deserving in that weight class, whether they are with UFC or not. Anyone got any news on if Franklins ok b/c he seemed ok but that nose....ouch!!

Posted by: Josh at October 16, 2006 06:45 PM

I'm convinced that Franklin was either injured or threw the fight. Something just wasn't right.

No discredit to Silva - I'm not saying that Franklin would have won anyway, but he didn't look like he even wanted to win the fight.

Posted by: Nick0s at October 16, 2006 08:50 PM

It's been nine fights and almost three years since the first loss of Rich Franklin's mixed martial arts career. Its interesting to note that BOTH fights he lost were against Brazilians.

Mitgating circumstances---
Rich Franklin suffered two surgery to insert a plate and seven screws in a broken left hand. Six or seven stitches for a cut above the eye. Torn ligaments in his left ankle that required a removable cast... and that was after beating Loiseau.

But Franklin's smart and a professional
"Prior to becoming a full time MMA fighter, Franklin was a math teacher at Oak Hills High School in Cincinnati. He has a master's degree in education and a bachelor's degree in mathematics from the University of Cincinnati"

I doubt before 2008 Rich has gotta heal

Posted by: Geoff Taylor at October 17, 2006 01:06 AM

I love how everyone thinks Pride is the superior league in MMA. One isn't better than the other. Chuck lost to Rampage but nobody mentions his wins in Pride. When Wanderlei Silva was in the UFC, he got destroyed by Vitor Belfort (who got beat by Chuck). So the argument means nothing. Rich Franklin had a bad night. Anyone who has been in a fight knows you lose some you should have won, and you win some you maybe shouldn't have. Having said that, Rich should have gone straight to the fetal fighting system, a la Frank Ettish UFC 2.

Posted by: EbolaMonkeyMan at October 17, 2006 01:07 AM

i think rich was not in the fight but i give all credits to silva he is a truly scary dude that he know how to box. I don't know if you guys see the way he move so confident so fast is increible how fast he move. perfect boxing skill.


Posted by: peter at October 17, 2006 06:36 AM

What is it about a Muay Thai Clinch that kept Franklin from getting out of it? Couldn't he have dove down to Silva'a body to get out of it before taking all those pile-driving knees? Franklin looked completely helpless and impotent in that clinch by Silva. We need a post fight interview of Franklin to get honest insight as to what happened.

Posted by: Mike at October 17, 2006 01:29 PM

If you want a good picture of what Franklin's face looked like after the fight, go to this link:

Posted by: Mike at October 17, 2006 03:44 PM

Sharp hit the nail on the head. Silva is the most dangerous striker in the UFC. Pride fighters are far superior to those in the UFC. The welterweights are the only viable class in the UFC. I still consider Silva a Pride fighter. He is on loan to the UFC to show America that the best MMA fighters brawl in the Pride Fighting Championships. Are you a doubter. Watch Pride's first U.S. event on October 21st. Seeing is believing!!!!!

Posted by: Krav218 at October 17, 2006 11:44 PM

Muay Thai Clinch

Stand upright with weight on toes.
Link hands behind opponents head and pull down.
Push elbows into opponents clavical/ chest region.

To control the clinch and your opponent you attempt to get your arms on the inside.
Anyone who has trained Muay Thai practices this.

Even if not in control you can rip your opponent off balance the moment they shift their balance, when kneeing for example and hurt them with a counter.

I liked Franklin, have seen his regimen and his skills, his wins and his losses and cannot comprehend that someone who trained to fight a skilled Muay Thai practitioner had no answers for these basics.

Believe me when I say that children in Thailand can defend those attacks from the age of 8.

Posted by: Derry at October 18, 2006 05:43 AM

the great white hope is done! live with it and stop making punk excuses.

Posted by: true fight fan at October 18, 2006 12:22 PM

Anderson Silva, what a scary dude!, My friends didnt think much of the Silva guy because most of us are brainwashed into thinking that UFC fighters are the best. I had a feeling that this would be a good fight ,and never thought that Franklin would be dominated the way he was. I hope Dana White will continue to bring in all the best of MMA and give real meaning to UFC. How can one call it Ultimate if only a chosen few are in it. As for Anderson Silva, I dont see anyone taking the belt from him anytime soon.

Posted by: Qwayaciiq at October 19, 2006 03:45 AM

Derry : Thanks for the Muay Thai clinic. That answers some questions I had. I guess the math teacher will go back to school on that technique. I think Silva's height helped him in the clinch also.

Posted by: Mike at October 19, 2006 10:49 PM

Rich did have a bad night, which goes to the argument as to if Silva should have ever gotten this fight in the first place. Silva was never allowed to have a bad night in the UFC because this was only his second fight in the UFC. He should have had to climb to the top to see if he had any bad nights along the way.

Posted by: Newayz36 at October 21, 2006 11:53 PM

We could all see consternation in Franklins face.
Sadly his motivation to make a good fight didn't allow him the foresight, taking a little more time using his great lateral, head movement, and countering skill feeling out Silva's game a little better.

Silva on the other hand is much more explosive than Franklin (Franklin much steadier in his attack), and used his explosive demeanor to dismantle Franklin.
Franklins demise was simple, although a very well rounded fighter, he was obviously overwhelmed by the neck head control (simple Thai boxing) Silva utilized.
Anyone can fall short when fighting a different style than trained for. Sadly the boxing/punching aspect of the UFC has consumed the fighters (face it, it sells tickets) and many of them rise to the top with fists, forgetting the diligent practice of knees, elbow's, shins, and neck/head control.

Both fighters are great at their game, Silva's was simply the better game that night.

We'll hope Franklin doesn't take the defeatist attitude and trains a little more in dominating wrestling and Thai technique.

Posted by: Ben at October 22, 2006 02:29 PM

No one in the Middleweight class is going to be able to touch Silva...it's going to take one of the Light Heavyweights to come down to Middleweight, or meet him at 195... For all you Pride Fans out there, give the UFC some due credit, no one in the Pride Welterweight division could touch Matt Hughes...

Posted by: Rick at October 24, 2006 10:05 AM

This match was just a complete embarassment. Rich Franklin looked so clueless in the Muay Thai clinch. I can think of at least 5 different ways one can fight in the Muay Thai clinch and Franklin did none of that. Where was all that Fairtex training? It's obvious they focused waaay too much on other stuff instead of fighting IN the clinch. People have to realize there is much much more to the Muay Thai clinch than simply taking it to the ground. When you gloss over that important range, you end up with major fiascos like this. Franklin will definitely have to head back to the drawing board to learn more Muay Thai.

Posted by: Joe at October 24, 2006 05:06 PM

Silva was dominate, would like to see him and liddell....what do you think??????????/

Posted by: Teek at October 24, 2006 10:32 PM

just because silva came in and destroyed franklin does not mean that fighters from outside the UFC are better it just means franklin was not up to par. i have watched the UFC since day one and i remember title fights not even lasting that long. the UFC's heavtweights are not up to par with prides however the lightheavywieghts form the ufc are much better. everyone thinks vandele silva is going to beat up chuck liddel, but in reality tito ortiz has already beaten vanderle silva like in 1999 when tito was champ and was traveling japan fighting. tito destroyed international fighters and we all know tito is good but he is not that good. plus no one from pride can touch matt hughes look at frank trigg who was the best welterwieght in pride at the time and all the top ufc fighters dominated him. look at phil berroni who is supposed to be a world class pride fighter came into the UFC and got his ass kicked now look where he is at know. he is back in pride. so to say one fighting organization is better is wrong, because each organization has fighters from opposite sanctions. at least the UFC is trying to make fighting huge in the USA cannot say the same for pride.

Posted by: craig witt at October 26, 2006 09:12 AM

I think his face says it all, things are not going the way Franklin had hoped and he finds himself without any escape. Congradulationes to the two of them.

Posted by: txapuza at October 27, 2006 12:58 PM

please, a post fight interview with franklin.

and boy did dana white screw up, i bet that pissed the sponsers off. dana you should have known better, you do this for a living. Franklin's only other lose, a guy from bazil.

i wonder if dana didn't set that fight up, because he was pissed off at rich for taking time off to heal his injuries from david, cutting into dana's pay per view drawl... franklin was not ready for that fight. fine a dandy, he was working out on the bike, rolling etc... but that's not getting ready for a guy like silva.

Posted by: rthompson at November 2, 2006 07:45 PM

I am not shocked at all by some on the comments that I have read, it reminds me of someone I knew and I am sure you all know of. a boxer who beat everyone in his division, and every time he did so someone would comment that maybe the other fighter was not as good as he was thought to be. I still have not been able to figure out what it is in us that caused us to make such un-fair comments. In any event Rich F. is a supperb fighter and a decent person, A. Silva as well. I know a little bit of fighting my self and I have some theory I would like to share. Two fighters meet in the center, no one knows who will make the first mistake, you can train so masterfully and the night of the fight you use a conventional block for a non-conventional punch-kick-elbow ect and all of your training and preparedness will have no meaning. by the way the fighter I was thinking of is M. M. Hagler.

Posted by: juan aguilar at November 2, 2006 07:54 PM

Rich Franklin(and rest of his camp)are meatheads.He deserved a beatin.Lets hope the others will get the same.

Posted by: evilinvader at November 2, 2006 08:14 PM

Some very interesting and some very ignorant comments.I don't think that anyone can argue that Rich Franklin didn't look like himself...fear?Overtraining?Not enough recoup time from injury?Who knows.I honestly think that Rich came into this fight knowing that he was going to get the toughest battle ever.He looked like he KNEW that he didn't have an answer for Anderson Silva.
While am a fan of Rich Franklin,I really felt that Anderson Silva would dispense of Rich very quickly.An earlier comment said that Anderson "isn't even that good".WRONG.Anderson Silva is the real deal.A ChuteBox fighter (argueabley one of the best MMA camps in the world)is a hard charging fighter.Anyone who really knows MMA fighting, knows this.They come to fight with incredible intensity and impecable Mauy Thai/Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu training.Rich Franklin will never regain the belt.Not while Anderson Silva is the champ.Anderson deserved the shot at the title because he has proven that he is a top shelf talent in other orginazations.
Furthermore,the real issue here is the UFC.I believe that they are an overrated orginazation.If you took every champion,from every wait class,in PRIDE and UFC,the PRIDE fighters would dominate the UFC fighters.With the possible exception of Matt Hughes.Brazilian Top Team,ChuteBox,Red Devil...who does the UFC have that could compete with the fighters in these camps?Miletich Fighting Systems is the most decorated UFC camp and deservedly so. Anderson Silva already took care of Rich Franklin.Does anyone really believe that Tim Sylvia could beat Fedor Emelianenko?Crocop?Nogueira?Barnett?Could Chuck Lidell really beat a murderer's row of Quinten Jackson (who's already beaten Chuck), Ricardo Arona,Mauricio Rua,WANDERLAI SILVA?While Chuck has said that he would love to fight Wand,the UFC has constantly put up hurdles on that fight.Why? Because it would absolutely kill their marketing machine to have their most visible,most dominant fighter,be beaten by a PRIDE fighter.
Matt Hughes would probably be the only UFC champ that could would retain his title,and even that would be a struggle.Takanori Gomi and Marcus Aurelio would run shotgun over UFC lightweight champs.Period.
Don't get me wrong.I love MMA,from the smallest orinazations to the largest.I just can't help but feel like the UFC is becoming the RAP music of MMA: A victim of it's own slick marketing.

Posted by: Robert Pena at November 6, 2006 09:32 PM

Anyone who thinks Rich Franklin will beat Silva in a rematch is crazy. Rich Franklin is a great fighter and a good guy, also a very tough guy. But he isnt in the class of Anderson Silva, not in the clinch, not in stand up, not on the ground

Posted by: mma boston at November 8, 2006 02:03 PM

I read the comments of Robert Pena on Nov 6 and found them very insightful. I encourage anyone who hasn't read it to take a look, the man hit it on the nose.

Posted by: Michael Garbisch at November 11, 2006 10:16 AM

Ok...the UFC is crap and Pride is great...or visa versa...doesn't anyone think that it's maybe the fighers that make these organisations great? Rich is a great fighter but he's a little awkward and isn't as explosive and devistating as Silva. I watched so many top fighters over the years and it's really a bit like paper, rock, scissors. Sometimes someone who you should cream, takes you appart...and so on. There is always a fighter with a different style that negates aspects of your own style. Silva just had it nailed with the clinch. Any Akido stylists out there? The Thai clinch is a great one for throwing a huge monkey wrench into their works...as it was for Rich.

The UFC meat and 3 veg staple is Boxing, Leg kicks and Ground and Pounch...with occasional (thankfully) seasoning with skilled grappling and submission. Yeah the lunk head fans love to watch someone bashed sensless but isn't it more exciting to watch a furious chess match of all of the above where any second the fight could be over...not just for the one doing the bashing?

Hopefully Rich will be back but the 'fear factor' is going to put the brakes on his career now. I don't think his wife will be really keen to see her good looking hubby taken appart once again...and I'm not saying Rich doesn't have a chance...just injury is just that...it injures you so you can't train and you go backwards...just look at Frank Mir.
Once your well and properly injured...it's the beginning of the end...Nate Quarry anyone? He isn't shite but spinal problems put him right out of the action...it was a little ironic that what Rich did to Nate happened to Rich.

I'm glad there is a new explosive guy on the block, not because I don't like Rich, but because I want to see the best...let's get it ON!!!

Posted by: Ring Master at November 12, 2006 10:11 PM

Good solid win for anderson

Posted by: The Guide to Getting More out OF LIfe at November 14, 2006 01:19 PM

Rich is a good fighter but Andersen Silva is a great fighter. Rich is tough but Andersen is talented and has the knack, though he would probably not be a good math teacher.

Posted by: Ellis Jayis at November 14, 2006 06:12 PM

its funny how every body knows everything. but anyone that fights knows that 1 good punch or knee or kick can make the fight sway that way there all pros any fighter can win on any given day . its who gets off first no pun intended

Posted by: jack morris at November 18, 2006 02:40 PM

A striker has a chance against anybody. All it takes is a good punch orknee and the other guy to make a mistake and its over.as far as pride being better no the same . chuck when he fought aganst jackson he was not as skilled as he is now.

Posted by: bert vance at November 18, 2006 07:24 PM

Everyone needs to understand that when you get your ass kicked, that's that. It's sad that Anderson Slivia isn't getting the credit he deserves from alot of the post. I especially like the one about the fight being staged. Yeah right! You don't stage that kind of ass whoopin. Maybe if he was the good ol' White American stereotypical fighter, people would have looked at it differently?

Posted by: matt at November 19, 2006 10:17 AM

I read all the way to the bottom before I saw the first comment that makes any sense at all.
Matt said "Everyone needs to understand that when you get your ass kicked, that's it."
My friends that is the reality of true fighting.
Whether it be on the playground, in the park after school or in the octagon, getting your ass kicked does something different to a guy than being submitted or losing a decision.
The reality is that no holds barred fighting is different than an athletic event. There is more risk, increased danger along with great potential for serious injury!
The comments alleging Rich Franklin "threw the fight" are as ridiculous as the promises of "He'll be back and show Silva who is boss" are empty and ring hollow.
The truth is that when you sustain injuries like Rich Franklin has in the last two bouts you are not the same fighter again.
With all due respect to him as an outstanding sportsman and person he knew this fight with Siva was going to be unlike any of his previous title defenses. Someone said he looked scared when he went nto the ring but I say he looked like a guy all alone rather than as the champ of a UFC he was a part of any longer.
I've said it before and I will say it again the UFC is following a well orchestrated plan for growth and market share. When it is time for a fighter to go because he wants more money or for that matter start's to think he can resist or dictate terms to the UFC, then champion or not he will soon find himself in a fight against world class competition.
Neither the loss by Franklin or this weekend by Matt Hughes will turn out to be a marketing blunder by Dana White or the UFC.
Just think about it for a second and it becomes clear.
This isn't sport in the athletic sense nor is it competition like boxing.
No gentlemen this is something different! This is
real fighting, abeit with some sanctioned tune-up
bouts thrown in but ultimately very dangerous business.
Especially for those no longer playing along or welcome in the program.

Posted by: SixthSense at November 20, 2006 08:49 PM