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Atheists fail to cough up for London bus ad

A campaign to put an atheist advert on the side of a London bus looks to be dead after the organisers failed to raise enough cash.

 
A mock-up photo showing how the atheist advert would have looked
A mock-up photo showing how the atheist advert would have looked Photo: JOHN WORTH

Campaigners hoped to raise the raise the £23,400 necessary to buy a prominent two-week slot on a “bendy bus” by collecting £5 pledges from atheists online.

They even made a mock-up photo of a bus carrying their chosen message: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and get on with your life."

The project attracted huge attention on atheist message boards and was even featured on the website of scientist and promiment atheist Richard Dawkins, but it appears that too few non-believers actually put their hands in their pockets.

A specially-created website had attracted only 877 pledges when its deadline passed on Thursday, far short of the 4,678 people needed.

The month-long campaign, headed by political blogger Jon Worth, was started in reaction to the Christian adverts that are currently carried on the side of many buses in the capital.

The religious adverts carry Biblical quotes such as: "When the son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" and direct readers to the JESUSsaid.org website.

The adverts are funded by a group based in Twickenham called Proclaiming Truth in London, according to the website.

It is not yet clear whether Mr Worth plans to use the money pledged - £4,385 - to fund a smaller, cheaper advert.

Comments: 177

  • Almost �150,000 raised
    (http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus) for the UK alone and the campaign has spread across Europe and North America. Damn those cheap atheists!

    Oliver Lewis
    on January 20, 2009
    at 10:19 AM
  • mr beck say's GOD LOVES YOU i wish he would show his love to some other species, his love to us is a disaster of the most cruel kind, of course if there is a GOD, any form of supernatural entity.i think there is not , but if yes it is a form of pure malevolence.

    londoner432
    on January 07, 2009
    at 12:00 PM
  • P.S i think this bus advert is a good idea, i notice the huge amount of comment of the bloggers as soon as ,sex . abortion. religion is mentioned the , nutters come out of the woodwork in droves.

    londoner432
    on January 07, 2009
    at 11:59 AM
  • "Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts, seem quite to forget that their own theory is supported by no facts at all."
    Herbert Spencer, 1820-1903

    gerry
    on January 07, 2009
    at 11:54 AM
  • Be Happy! God loves you.

    david beck
    on January 07, 2009
    at 09:02 AM
  • Re: Charles Pottins "We don't know where we're going in the next life, but are we getting anywhere in this one?"

    Is that a comment about the uncertainty of life after death, or a comment on the uncertainty of buses getting through traffic jams? ;-)

    Richard
    on November 28, 2008
    at 05:45 PM
  • One of the biggest complaints from atheists is how people of religion proselytize, yet in today's world, atheists are the biggest proselytizers in the world, which means they are nothing but hypocrites. Keep it up, atheists, you've already made atheism a religion & most of you simply cannot handle the fact that more people than not believe differently than you do. You all have to make your pathetic personal attacks on people of faith, but that's about all you seem to be capable of doing. Your favorite is to tell us how intelligent you are & how ignorant we are. LOL! Your second favorite goes something like this:

    "Anyhow, I don't need "faith" to say that invisible fluffy bunnies, unicorns or orbiting teapots don't exist, it's not clear to me why God is any different."

    I mean, who cares what you need or do not need. Everybody is different & we all have a right to believe as we choose. There have been 100s of 1000s of people who claim they have had experiences/miracles from God. Even in today's world there are literally 1000s every single day making this claim. Just b/c atheists do not believe the 100s of 1000s of people making these claims certainly in no way makes it untrue. In fact, an intelligent person would believe a claim made by so many different people. Keep up the good work, hypocrites, you're bringing so many people back to God that it's a miracle in and of itself.

    Dana
    on November 24, 2008
    at 08:06 AM
  • I think it should say "Atheists are the biggest proselytizers and hypocrites in the world."

    Debbie
    on November 24, 2008
    at 08:06 AM
  • It seems to me that the religious attackers of "the bus idea" have got the point splendidly wrong.. again. Although with a dodgy article such as this i'm not surprised. The idea is not to disprove god, most of the atheists i know don't bother with that. It is to counter balance all the negative religious bumf with a slightly comical *positive* slogan that also goes to show other atheists that they aren't alone in this theologically insane world. And i think by the amount it raised so far it's worked rather well.

    It's just nice to hear the other view point for a change. No one's bothering to try and prove anything against people who are stubbornly adamant to the point of never feeling uncertain; hence the word "probably". Now read the real slogan again...

    http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus

    ...and tell me that it's anything to get het up or rude about?

    Phil
    on November 17, 2008
    at 04:37 PM
  • http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3236701/Atheist-buses-ready-to-roll-across-country-after-making-31000-in-a-day.html

    They finally get it right.

    Tom
    on November 14, 2008
    at 03:50 PM
  • If people need reminding, atheists are not prone to blind faith hence the slow reaction to the request for funds. Whilst I think the idea is fun, as an atheist I do not feel the need to "spread the word" as strongly as many Christians seem to feel necessary.

    Phil
    on October 25, 2008
    at 08:21 AM
  • From an earlier post: �As usual followers of the atheist religion are all talk no action, they know their beliefs are based on a lie, so they won't pay. You can't prove God does not exist��

    We atheists have so far raised over �90,000 for our peaceful campaign, at the time of writing (for a target of �5,500). Do you want to apologise to us for your rudeness now, or is that too much to ask of you?

    Hmmm� Disprove god. Okay, you disprove the existence of Zeus and Apollo and I�ll use your method.

    Jim D
    on October 24, 2008
    at 08:30 AM
  • "Stop your bitching and get over it." - because Brits love to bitch over just about everything, which is why I moved to America. And it's not important things either but just self-important, PC moaning, obnoxious crap like ridiculous bus adverts or what someones ancestor did to yours 300 years ago.

    James
    on October 24, 2008
    at 07:55 AM
  • How about an ad on buses saying:

    "We don't know where we're going in the next life, but are we getting anywhere in this one?"

    Charles Pottins
    on October 23, 2008
    at 01:38 PM
  • The current total is GBP 83,700. If I were in charge I'd be reporting it and getting my mitts on some of that advertising spend.

    Brian
    on October 23, 2008
    at 01:37 PM
  • It would be good to see an update appear in the Telegraph. How about it?

    Tom
    on October 22, 2008
    at 10:35 PM
  • Now over �50,000 - at what point does it become a story again??

    Hugh
    on October 22, 2008
    at 02:11 PM
  • And usually news coverage in the Telegraph is so balanced ...

    Let me help you out with a headline 'Thousands of Britons too old for imaginary friends'?

    Elaine Scanlan
    on October 22, 2008
    at 02:09 PM
  • Great to have this article appear in the Torygraph, while all other news sources specify the amount raised is well over target.

    The ideas of humanism very rarely get spread - this is a good beginning.

    Eoin
    on October 22, 2008
    at 02:05 PM
  • So, Daily Telegraph, are you going to run an "Overwhelming support for atheist London bus ad" piece now?

    Tim
    on October 22, 2008
    at 08:01 AM
  • Last time I looked they had raised �37,000!!!
    Would the Telegraph editor perhaps be religious?

    Rob Callender
    on October 22, 2008
    at 07:56 AM
  • If you don't believe in God why do you care what other people think. Why must you feel the need to prove there is no God or even talk about it? All I can say is someday we'll see who is right and who is wrong, I do feel sorry for the people who are wrong but everyone does have the right to their own belief. My point is if you don't believe then don't you feel you are wasting your time talking about it???

    Lisa
    on October 22, 2008
    at 07:50 AM
  • "Think God".

    Courtesy to the film Oh God II.
    :)

    Cyril Thomas
    on October 22, 2008
    at 07:47 AM
  • I have an odd feeling this article needs another airing, hmm?


    http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus?from=UKSponsorExit

    Adam Rivers
    on October 21, 2008
    at 04:20 PM
  • I have an odd feeling this article needs another airing, hmm?


    http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus?from=UKSponsorExit

    Adam Rivers
    on October 21, 2008
    at 04:20 PM
  • This article is inaccurate.
    The money required is �5500 for 30 busses for 4 weeks.
    The campaign started today (21/10/08) and enough money was raised by 10am and is still increasing. Rather impressive and certainly not a failure.
    The message actually reads 'now stop worrying and ENJOY your life.'

    Steve
    on October 21, 2008
    at 03:06 PM
  • Ok despite the fact that i am an athiest and feel very strongly about this subject and constantly argue about the existance of god, i know that the argument can never be won.

    It is impossible for a world without conflict, hate or disagreement to exist because every last person on this planet has different views on what is right and wrong, evidently. Wars will always be fought, poverty will always exist, hate will always be somewhere deep without our hearts or right out infront of us because contrast in impossible, everyone can't have everything they want. Thats just how things are and thats how things will always be. Human nature is based purely on greed, the desire for more. We always want to be right, we always want to have to best that there is and that leads to pain and suffering. But like i said its inevitable and nothing can be done about it.

    Now you can call me a hypocrite all you want because i know its true. I argue about all of this all the time, i guess its just because i'm an argumentative person. But then again no one's perfect.

    Andrew
    on October 20, 2008
    at 09:20 PM
  • ADverts like the one offered i'w like to support,free mind,until non-obserbable one is permited.

    frank zablh
    on September 21, 2008
    at 09:35 AM
  • thank God this space is only worth �23,400

    iosaf mac diarmada
    on August 07, 2008
    at 04:18 PM
  • The pointlessness of funding a statement about what you don't believe in probably got to most atheists. I mean, why should we care, as long as we live in a secular society?

    If a particular Christian group wants to spend money with ads for Jesus, they're welcome. Our society is already saturated with such propaganda, but people still tend to stick to the religion they were born in. It's a social thing.

    Tony Sidaway
    on August 06, 2008
    at 10:40 AM
  • "Christ is a crutch for spiritual toddlers who need a Jesus security blanket to protect them from the existential monster under their cribs."

    jules dangle
    on August 05, 2008
    at 06:42 PM






















  • @Mike: All of you unbelievers are going to be believers someday.

    Ummm, nope.











    GonzoBobH
    on August 05, 2008
    at 04:54 PM
  • JAy:"Greek scholars say a possible more accurate translation of Psalm 14:1"

    Greek scholars can say what they like: the original was in hebrew.

    Greg Lorriman
    on August 05, 2008
    at 04:49 PM
  • Who cares? I'm a Christian through faith. No one can prove or disprove God. I'll just wait and see. You sound like a bunch of idiots. The argument used to be, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. That was just as silly as atheists and Christians arguing about something neither one can actually prove.

    Judy
    on August 05, 2008
    at 01:30 PM
  • "SINCE GOD'S EXISTENCE, JESUS IS ALIVE, AND THE BIBLE BEING TRUE ARE SO INCREDIBLY EASY TO PROVE, WHY DON'T AGNOSTICS DO THAT?"
    Why should they? Christians haven't managed it yet. If they had, this discussion wouldn't exist!

    Myfanwy
    on August 05, 2008
    at 12:19 PM
  • In a way this is a good thing I think. It means most people who dont believe in the invisible man in the sky dont waste time thinking about. They just get on with their lives.

    fred the elephant boy
    on August 05, 2008
    at 11:39 AM
  • In a way this is a good thing I think. It means most people who dont believe in the invisible man in the sky dont waste time thinking about. They just get on with their lives.

    fred the elephant boy
    on August 05, 2008
    at 11:39 AM
  • Party now...burn later!

    Christopher Wright
    on August 05, 2008
    at 11:25 AM
  • "-- The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

    The real fool cannot think for himself, so must read other people's thoughts from a book."

    Question: How did you gain your knowledge? Were you born with it or did you learn it?

    At some point in your life, you were taught by someone else. Knowledge is gained from other's thoughts and life experiences. It can also be gained by self experience. The point is what do you do with the knowledge.

    Alan Hatcher
    on August 05, 2008
    at 11:01 AM
  • "If there is a god, who created him/her? "

    A God would be existence itself: in other words there is no such thing as absolute nothingness, and never has been: the true default is existence. It has always been a nonsense to assume that in the beginning there was nothing. There has never been such a situation, and never could be.

    The real question is does existence have personhood?

    Atheists try to reason from nothingness: but genuine reasoning must start with a concrete fact: ie. when God proves his own existence to those who persevere in asking sincerely.

    Greg Lorriman
    on August 05, 2008
    at 10:32 AM
  • SINCE GOD'S EXISTENCE, JESUS IS ALIVE, AND THE BIBLE BEING TRUE ARE SO INCREDIBLY EASY TO PROVE, WHY DON'T AGNOSTICS DO THAT?

    arthur robins
    on August 05, 2008
    at 10:28 AM
  • Not only is there PROBABLY (odds of majority vs infinity) no God, but there is no back end of that bus. Seriously, look hard, it just doesn't complete the end.

    Brendan Fuss
    on August 05, 2008
    at 10:27 AM
  • The main factor is that this was for a highly expensive advert. �23,400 for two weeks on a single bus? Come on! Most atheists I spoke to about it considered it simply a waste of money. It might have better luck on a more sensibly priced advert - "only" 877 is still �4385, which is enough to buy an advert for two weeks on 8 buses ( http://arianesherine.blogspot.com/2008/06/ad-hoc.html ).

    It's unclear that this received any kind of "huge attention" - the author of this article seems misinformed about Pledgeback: it is not a "specially-created website", it is a site that anyone can set up a page on.

    As for the dictionary quoters - numerous dictionaries support atheism as meaning "disbelief of god" as well as "denial of god". Anyhow, I don't need "faith" to say that invisible fluffy bunnies, unicorns or orbiting teapots don't exist, it's not clear to me why God is any different.

    Mark
    on August 05, 2008
    at 07:31 AM
  • Greek scholars say a possible more accurate translation of Psalm 14:1,is "The fool hath said in his heart -- no god for me!" Which I see as more accurate, and making more sense.

    Jack - Taylors SC USA

    Jay Emerson
    on August 05, 2008
    at 07:26 AM
  • 2Thessolonians 2:11-12:And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion ,that they should believe alie;That they all might be damned who believe not the truth , but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    ross
    on August 05, 2008
    at 07:23 AM
  • Thessalonians 2;11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie ;That they all might be damned who believe not the truth ,but had pleasure in unrighteousness .Psalm2;1-4 Why do tho heathen rage ,and the people imagine a vain thing ? The kings of the earth set themselves , and the rulers take counsel together ,against the Lord ,and against his anointed,saying ,Let us break their bands asunder ,and cast away their cords from us .Hethat sitteth in the haevens shall have them in derision .

    ross
    on August 05, 2008
    at 07:22 AM
  • Avoiding Church: Free
    Dawkin's Latest Book: �20
    Promoting our belief that promoting a belief is useless: �23,400
    The irony: Priceless.

    Drambuie Man
    on August 05, 2008
    at 07:21 AM
  • It is there in the Bible.

    Ecclesiastes 10:19

    "Men prepare a meal for enjoyment, and wine makes life merry, and money is the answer to everything."

    Wayne Muller
    on August 05, 2008
    at 07:11 AM
  • If triangles had a god, it would have 3 sides.

    God was made in man's image, because people want an excuse to warship themselves.

    Fritz
    on August 04, 2008
    at 11:54 PM
  • "If Adam and Eve were the first humans, are we all inbred?"

    If their genes were perfect then that isn't a problem. Note that according to Genesis Eve was effectively Adam's semi-identical twin sister: she was his flesh in the most complete sense (to be "one flesh" is part of the Christian notion of marriage).

    Indeed the prohibition against brothers and sisters marrying is practical rather than intrinisic: genes are no longer perfect and so close relatives can't get away with it. There would have been no problem with Adam and Eve's kids marrying each other.

    Catholics, for example, can marry their first cousins with the permission of their bishop (who examines their family tree).

    Greg Lorriman
    on August 04, 2008
    at 10:55 PM
  • All of you unbelievers are going to be believers someday.
    The only question is: Will it be too late ?

    Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
    Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
    Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
    Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father

    mike
    on August 04, 2008
    at 10:53 PM
  • There are two slogans I'd like to see more often:

    "Troubled? Try Prayer"

    and

    "Start the week off right: Attend the church of your choice"

    Liz L
    on August 04, 2008
    at 10:44 PM
  • Atheists always have reasonable arguments about themselves. Since it is all about them, it must be correct. Condescending? Or Logical? Whether or not God exists isn't really the heart of the debate, it's arguing whether you or I are correct in what we believe (or don't). This Jesus character must have been either the greatest con-man, or something altogether different to have a sparked such a powerful movement from his "martyrdom" for lack of a better term. But atheists give it a "so what, deal with it" take on that, like pretty much everything else. I would think, though, that science must recognize that faith is the most potent element of human existence. In the end, it won't matter who's right or wrong, as by that time the next generation of Theists and Atheists will banter until the end of their lives. And you either go to a great reward, or you don't. Live by fear and ignorance, or live by selfishness and ignorance. None of us can escape being ignorant of other people, ideals, or information. If we were, we might be called God. You can always be sure you are correct about something, but never be sure you are correct about nothing. Money is money is money. As an atheist, why would you care what I did with my money? You shouldn't, I think. As a Theist, why wouldn't you care what I did with my money? You shouldn't either I think. But that's just me. And I'm free to think however I wish, just as you are, so nyah.

    ZeroState
    on August 04, 2008
    at 09:01 PM
  • Why can't we all just get along? I'm a highly sceptical agnostic, and totally intolerant of the dogma present in all the major organised religions, because they can't seem to unite us as Humans - so that makes me think it's all about fear and power.

    sko11ie
    on August 04, 2008
    at 08:58 PM
  • If Adam and Eve were the first humans, are we all inbred?

    John
    on August 04, 2008
    at 07:54 PM
  • The fool has said in his heart
    "There is no God"
    Psalm 14:1 & Psalm 53:1

    Yeah, well, if a fool can get it right, why can't you?

    Marty
    on August 04, 2008
    at 07:20 PM
  • I pity the religious. They, often with perfectly functional minds, choose to spend time and money(both of which they will never get back) betting that a magic man in the sky will let them go to a celestial Disney Land when they die. I guess religion is the price humanity has to pay for its cognitive dissonance and mob mentality.

    David
    on August 04, 2008
    at 07:02 PM
  • "Atheists are so dumb. Since there is a Supreme Deity up there I don't have to worry. Without G*d we would have much more to worry about."

    1) Why did you write G*d and not God?
    2) You actually have more to worry about with God because you believe an omnipotent, all powerful, thought reading being in the sky is watching you 24/7.

    Why can't you just not lie / cheat / steal / kill because it's the right thing to do?

    Anyone who thinks morality comes from the Bible needs to re-read it and realize that the old testament God was insane and killed thousands of people, and that Jesus basically told his disciples to cast away and ignore their families.

    Will
    on August 04, 2008
    at 06:39 PM
  • "Read the Bible, cover to cover, you'll find it's true (I sure did!)."

    I have, and it didn't.

    Brian Reich
    on August 04, 2008
    at 06:38 PM
  • "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and get on with your life."
    Atheists are so dumb. Since there is a Supreme Deity up there I don't have to worry. Without G*d we would have much more to worry about.

    Jam
    on August 04, 2008
    at 05:46 PM
  • "-- The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

    The real fool cannot think for himself, so must read other people's thoughts from a book."

    Question: How did you gain your knowledge? Were you born with it or did you learn it?

    At some point in your life, you were taught by someone else. Knowledge is gained from other's thoughts and life experiences. It can also be gained by self experience. The point is what do you do with the knowledge.

    Alan Hatcher
    on August 04, 2008
    at 05:46 PM
  • Why would someone pay money for this? Let the religious whack jobs (and yes, you all are whack jobs) believe whatever they want, just keep them away from me.

    Lisa
    on August 04, 2008
    at 04:41 PM
  • Read the Bible, cover to cover, you'll find it's true (I sure did!).

    Thomas Clement
    on August 04, 2008
    at 04:20 PM
  • One possible reason for the lack of interest in posting the sign on the bus might be that most atheists don't want to lower themselves to proselytizing.

    XaurreauX
    on August 04, 2008
    at 04:07 PM
  • Thats so funny that they couldn't raise the money! LOL!!!!

    Shannon
    on August 04, 2008
    at 03:51 PM
  • It has been my experience that while evangelistic theists are obnoxious bores, evangelistic atheists are even more so.

    Tom Truth
    on August 04, 2008
    at 03:14 PM
  • Why is this bendy bus still on the road Boris?

    Jim
    on August 04, 2008
    at 02:51 PM
  • -- "The Bible is true" - The Bible

    Well, if you want to use that reasoning:
    "I am right" - Me.
    Oh, by the way, the bible is an embellished story book with minor hints to historical events. Nothing more.

    -- Who do atheists cry out to when making love?

    Their partners. Duh.

    -- "Jesus Christ is Lord!"

    WAS lord. Of the Jews. Two thousand years ago. He's dead, get over it.

    -- The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

    The real fool cannot think for himself, so must read other people's thoughts from a book.

    --I would pay for an advert which read, LONG LIVE CHRIST THE KING

    You must've missed that day at bible studies where they said he was killed by the Romans.

    --It's hardly worth paying money to point out the obvious.

    Amen to that! (No, I'm not forbidden from using common expressions just because they could be religious in origin.)


    And you know what? Atheists don't care about converting. The only 'Atheists' who speak out against religion without provocation are really agnostics and theophobes. If it weren't for some of the dumb responses from the SHEEP, I would've just skipped over this. That's why the ad didn't get enough funding.

    Patrick
    on August 04, 2008
    at 02:50 PM
  • All Religion is fuelled by one thing - a fear of death. I think its a shame that relgious types only seem interested in doing good in an attempt to secure eternal life, rather than doing it for its own sake.

    James
    on August 04, 2008
    at 02:48 PM
  • What amazes me most is the number of obviously religious people in the comments here, so archaic! Welcome to the 21st century people. Open your eyes, there is no god.

    Gordon
    on August 04, 2008
    at 02:30 PM
  • I think almost everyone who exclaims "Oh My God!" doesn't have a god ... oh no, of course, they do ... it's themselves ...

    John Thomas
    on August 04, 2008
    at 02:14 PM
  • Isn't the saddest part of being an atheist knowing that if you are right you'll never be able to say "I told you so"

    Theo
    on August 04, 2008
    at 11:57 AM
  • Tom:"Religions can't all be right. They must therefore all be wrong."

    That really doesn't follow, as much as you may want it to: one of them could be right. In any-case almost all faiths share a belief in a personal [though not all Hindus] supreme being of love, justice, mercy, forgiveness, heaven and hell (and note that Hindu demi-gods translate to angels and demons quite nicely, and 'their' supreme being is seemingly triune and even incarnates).

    Sounds like the same God, doesn't it? Indeed only fanatics and protestants are truly fully exclusivist. Even Catholics only claim to have the fullness of truth, not the *only* vessel of truth. The proof of the pudding is that they have formally come together to pray at Assisi.

    "There's probably no God - but I can't take a chance on it!"

    This is a Pascal's wager rebalanced. The problem here is that genuine faith cannot ever be anything but certain (though it can be subject to temptation to doubt), and so such a person cannot have the faith and is doomed anyway. Pascal's wager is a reason to desire faith, not a recipe for gaining it: real belief requires proof, which God is willing give to the sincere/persevering enquirer after truth: "God, if you exist, please reveal yourself to me". By almighty power He gives objective knowledge: and so faith is rational.

    Greg Lorriman
    on August 04, 2008
    at 10:52 AM
  • As an agnostic atheist I don't know what I don't believe in.

    If there is a god, who created him/her?

    Rob
    on August 04, 2008
    at 10:47 AM
  • To receive 877 pledges is fantastic for a campaign with no funding or press at all. For more about the atheist bus campaign, please go here:

    http://arianesherine.blogspot.com/2008/08/wheels-on-bus-go-round-and-round.html

    Ariane
    on August 04, 2008
    at 10:46 AM
  • Comments like Tom's make me sad. While we all have different opinions that may or may not be resolvable, that is no excuse for the vicious slaughter of logic. Tom, I recommend Graham Preist's "A Breif Introduction to Logic".

    John
    on August 04, 2008
    at 08:20 AM
  • Who do atheists cry out to when making love?

    Ozark_Sunshine
    on August 04, 2008
    at 08:17 AM
  • "Jesus Christ is Lord!"

    Mark
    on August 04, 2008
    at 07:02 AM
  • I'm surprised at all the hostility, especially from the (ostensible) Christians posting!

    Dawkins is a lightweight, straw man target - for God's sake (ha ha)he is totally ignorant of most of the classic theological arguments (skyhooks anyone?).

    Most of the negative comments on Atheism and atheists posted here are simplistic and crude, and only serve to reveal their authors' own prejudices.

    David Farrell
    on August 03, 2008
    at 06:44 PM
  • There's probably no God - but I can't take a chance on it!

    H Neubroch
    on August 03, 2008
    at 06:40 PM
  • There's probably no God - but I can't take a chance on it!

    H Neubroch
    on August 03, 2008
    at 06:39 PM
  • Three points:

    Are most atheists merely too ignorant to know that they're really agnostic?

    Are some christians so devoid of an original thought that they even have to trawl the Bible for their puerile insults of non-believers?

    If God's so clever why does he need to advertise?

    John White
    on August 03, 2008
    at 06:36 PM
  • Religions can't all be right. They must therefore all be wrong.

    Tom
    on August 03, 2008
    at 06:36 PM
  • "Agnostics are intellectual cowards."

    ..which paraphrases Dawkins. But strictly speaking an atheist is someone who believes that God does not exist (OED:"To deny the gods/God" also see Enc. Brit.). Even Dawkins admits that this is unproven and unprovable, and which means that a genuine atheist's belief is irrational.

    Indeed Dawkins says there is a vanishingly small chance of the existence of God which means he is effectively a quasi agnostic

    Strange that. It would seem that agnostics are intellectually sensible compared to atheists: and Dawkins is one of them.

    (Strictly an agnostic believes that it is impossible to prove the existence of God, which may be true, but see below why that is irrelevant.)


    The irony is that while atheists often define faith as "Belief without knowledge", which fits their own position nicely, religions themselves define faith as an act of assent to God's proof/revelation of Himself: in other words actual knowledge, and reasonable. And for the asking, so says Christ, if sincere/persevering :"God, if you exist, please reveal yourself", not that any true atheist could say that prayer.

    Many atheists attempt to define themselves as "lacking belief", which their strong anti-religious presumptions betray is not really true, and which is a quasi agnostic position in any case. Poor presumptuous mites. "To hell, to hell, it's off to hell we go"...to misquote a film I saw once.

    Greg Lorriman
    on August 03, 2008
    at 06:33 PM
  • "There is probably no god" is hardly a convincing declaration of atheism!
    Or is this the New Atheism Project, prepared, like New Labour, to ditch its principles in pursuit of mass approval?

    Myfanwy
    on August 03, 2008
    at 06:32 PM
  • The fool has said in his heart
    "There is no God"
    Psalm 14:1 & Psalm 53:1

    Peter Butterworth
    on August 03, 2008
    at 06:16 PM
  • I'd guess that most atheists are as uninterested in propagating their point of view as they are in bothering with religion.

    KeithS
    on August 03, 2008
    at 03:34 PM
  • I'd guess that most atheists are as uninterested in propagating their point of view as they are in bothering with religion.

    KeithS
    on August 03, 2008
    at 03:34 PM
  • We give meaning to the world - we can take it away.
    But the best way is apathy - not provocation.

    phil
    on August 03, 2008
    at 03:30 PM
  • "The Bible is true" - The Bible

    Tom Harrison
    on August 03, 2008
    at 03:18 PM
  • Dear Sir/Ma'am

    Atheists have a lot more faith than I have, believing that nothing/nobody made something out of nothing.

    I find it much easier to believe that Somebody made something out of nothing, when "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1

    Barry Holroyd
    on August 03, 2008
    at 02:50 PM
  • To put an advert on a bus denying the the existence of any deity or meaning in the universe is totally absurd.

    Martin
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:29 AM
  • Douglas Adams: "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"

    Yes, but one might reasonably enquire as to who the gardener is.

    rjt
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:29 AM
  • Do these people realize that they would be doing Christianity a favour by raising doubt in the minds of thousands of pedestrians who were waliking allong not even wondering about said topic? A statement can lead to questions in both directions. Bravo!

    Bernard
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:28 AM
  • It's the wrong way to attack christianity. It's like putting out a fire with a subpoena. Isiah 53 is the bedrock supporting christianity. Attack it and maybe people will listen. Of course......you can't!

    johnnythelowery
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:28 AM
  • Two goldfish in a bowl get talking....
    Gold Fish 1 says "Do you believe in God?"
    Gold Fish 2 replies: "Of course I do. Who do you think changes the water?"

    Peter Cracknell
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:28 AM
  • Religion is the myth of God. Our great mistake is to suppose that the myth is empty or unimportant.
    Oh yes. Nietzsche is a great hero of mine because of his critique of religion. (His own assertion that 'God is dead' is a devastating criticism of the religion of the churches. Not to see that this is what it means is a piece of ignorance.)
    I believe in God. Kant says, 'God is my own thought, not a thing extant outside me' Very well then. My access to God is within me.

    Ernest Werner
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:28 AM
  • "There may, or may not, be a God"

    "just get on with looking after what you know you have - the Human Race"

    A Humanist

    john
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:27 AM
  • Except for the advertising industry,who the hell takes any notice of adverts on buses,trains,hoardings,newspapers,TV etc?
    That's why there is a drop in advertising spend on ITV,Trinity Mirror etc

    People Watcher
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:27 AM
  • This week, I am mostly believing in Zeus. Put that on a bus, someone.

    Victor Houghton
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:26 AM
  • Agnostics are intellectual cowards.

    Pogo Patterson
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:25 AM
  • The scientific probability of the existence of a God is 50/50, that is if you listen to Hawkings and other scientist's multi-universe theories.

    These guys are attempting to prove that there are an infinite number of universes because the constants of the universe have only fairly small margins in which any thing more than a random soup of hydrogen could exist, and the multiplied probabilities mean that the chance is so extremely small that either there are an infinite number of universes or else a God (of some sort). Without further data: 50/50.

    So that bus advert is in any case misleading.

    There is a similar problem with evolution in that the probability of the kick off requires astronomically more than 14 billion years even with such a large universe, indicating an intervention. If you don't know: most Christians are not biblical literalists and can accept evolution. Only a small minority are the Creationists so beloved of Dawkins.

    Greg Lorriman
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:19 AM
  • Many people will spend money on something in which they believe: Only a small number would spend money in an idea that they are not sure that they want to believe in.

    "Support the signwriters stri.."

    Andy
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:19 AM
  • Marvelous free publicity for us atheists.
    Hopefully will trigger more press/radio/tv controversies and debates.
    Bet sales of Richard Dawkins book "The God Delusion" has just increased.

    manjo
    on August 03, 2008
    at 08:19 AM
  • if they are truly atheists they would
    1. object to a name - they are normal and 2. the word probably is superfluous - there IS no god

    Stephen Cattell
    on August 02, 2008
    at 04:20 PM
  • I never thought it would take an atheist to prove that there is a God.

    Redwing
    on August 02, 2008
    at 04:19 PM
  • If people really believed something they would put their money where their mouths are. We Evangelical Christians really believe in the message of the Christian Gospel, therefore we fund evangelism; atheists, it seems, only believe in their pockets.

    Bob Hutton
    on August 02, 2008
    at 02:58 PM
  • My suggestion for a bus sign:

    The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." (Psalm 14:1, ESV)

    Jerry
    on August 02, 2008
    at 02:58 PM
  • I am delighted to be a Christian and respect all of other religions or none at all, to hold their own views, what is the problem? I Find it strange though that some Atheists are so "aggressive" in trying to force all others "Not to Believe in a God", I wonder for their sanity.

    Okay, don't believe in God, fine that's your thing, okay with me but why do they swap one "Holy Book" - Bible etc for another "Richard Dawkins ?" I'm sorry it is an intellectual nonsense and I'm not surprised the miserable buggers wouldn't cough up a fiver, they need it for the next Dawkins Opus no doubt to keep their 'faith' alive in between the Epistles of the great man !

    John Haynes
    on August 02, 2008
    at 02:28 PM
  • The answer to it all is: "Who cares?" Pete 11:25 AM

    You will mate when you stand before your Maker!

    Patrick
    on August 02, 2008
    at 01:18 PM
  • Why would an atheist waste money on such an ad? Atheism is not a belief system - it's just a tag that describes someone who does not believe. Religion is an act of faith - it does not require logic or proof - so trying to disprove it is as much a waste of time as advertising atheism is a waste of money.

    Huw Sayer
    on August 02, 2008
    at 01:15 PM
  • They are a sad bunch,atheists, they are here in physical form as human beings and fail to give any credibility or incredibility to creation, I find it difficult to believe, that there minds are so inexpansive.
    Just a simple thought for an atheist, were you or wern't you before you were here and are you going to be or not going to be after this life, no one has the answer, it is down to thought, belief and faith.

    Royston Amphlett Bournemouth
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:52 PM
  • As I always say "Thank God I'm an atheist."

    Taylor vannie Kaap
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:48 PM
  • One can only assume no one beleived in it.

    James Parry
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:48 PM
  • Clever move! They got headlines on the papers and online. Many more people have read their advert now than they could possibly dream. And it did not cost them a penny!

    Simonetta Taccuso
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:48 PM
  • "I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman."
    Homer Simpson

    Barry
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:48 PM
  • Clear proof that Atheists are a small minority of weirdos who can safely be ignored.

    Or at least that's what Matthew Moore (the author of this article) seems to want us to believe. Well what other explanation could there POSSIBLY be?

    John
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:47 PM
  • Atheism is as stupid as religious following.

    Join me as part of the Agnostic Front. An annoyed group of people who want the same rights as religious groups.

    I should enjoy the same protection from being offended by religion as much as we are obliged to respect their religion!












    Frank Vernor
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:47 PM
  • I heard everyone needs something to worship I guess with the atheist its money

    Anthony Hill
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:10 PM
  • Surely as an Atheist Ad, the "probably" should be omitted?

    Nick
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:52 AM
  • Look at what is happening to our Country. VOTE ACCORDINALLY.

    Veronica Lewis
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:51 AM
  • Maybe they didn't believe anyone would see it?

    S Howard
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:51 AM
  • "One man's fish is another man's poisson"

    Dai the Post
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:51 AM
  • Free speech is a marvellous thing...

    Phil Gale
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:51 AM
  • Atheists shouldn't be in the business of preaching.
    If you want to know for sure that there isn't a god, then sit on a beach, dip your fingers in the sand and try to work out how many crushed sea shells (stained with the local rock) it will have taken to put sand on all the beaches in all the world. Then find out how long your average molusc or bi-valve lives and work out how long such 'beach building' would have taken.
    Earth created by god for the benefit of man? If so, why did he wait so long? In geological terms, we've only just arrived and we're already on the path to overpopulation and possible self destruction. If there is a god, he's pretty stupid to put his faith in us!
    Christians say that all the ills of humanity are because god gave us 'freewill' to choose a path of right or wrong. Why bother? What possible benefit is there to freewill when all other animals (who presumably don't have it) manage to live in harmony with their environment?
    I suspect that the unpalatable truth is that the evolution of consciousnous forced us to develop a strong ability to self-delude. Otherwise, we'd be like a conscious cat - i.e. aware that life is meaningless and to make matters worse, we're a ruthless, psychopathic killer of other harmless beasties!
    Depressing hey? Far better to self-delude.

    horatio
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:51 AM
  • As an atheist myself, I find it unbelieveable that those who do believe, should waste their money on a pathetic advert, rather than see their donations go to helping the poor or to a million other good causes, which us atheists also regularly support.

    Ian Kennedy
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:48 AM
  • If they can't give up a fiver, how would they do at going round knocking on peoples doors?

    They always make such a noise in internet forums about how much better the world would be if people didn't believe in God and how much better it is not to believe in God, but obviously they don't care about it enough to be willing to make a sacrifice to share their 'knowledge' with others.

    Atheists and evangelising Christians both believe they have the best way. The interesting question is, which ones care about other people enough to expend their time and resources helping other people to gain that advantage too?

    John Smith
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:47 AM
  • So how much are religions spending on advertising? And is that a proper use for their funds?

    Polly
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:47 AM
  • If Dawkins really believed in atheism he would cough up the money himself
    Perhaps he think he will need it in the next life!!

    eddy
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:44 AM
  • As usual followers of the atheist religion are all talk no action, they know their beliefs are based on a lie, so they won't pay. You can't prove God does not exist, its a faith position. A true position for them would be agnostic, but they prefer to cling to their beliefs. At least the religious folks actually believe their message is true.

    Melanie King
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:32 AM
  • Religion, or the lack of it, isn't worth spending money on, itn is that unimportant.

    jamie
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:31 AM
  • Well Julia, if you've got �23,400 you can... feel free.

    The 1 & Only Love Albatross
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:31 AM
  • God so loved the world, that all who believe in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
    No greater love.

    Elizabeth Elliot-Pyle
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:30 AM
  • Hmm, I guess the fact is that the credulous are prepared to pay to spread the word about their imaginary friend because it makes them feel better about their own silly superstitions, whereas atheists are perfectly happy with their opinions, and couldnt care less what the poor hard-of-thinking christians, moslems, flat-earthers, astrologists and other assorted oddballs believe. That would certainly be my view.

    Mike from Ashton
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:30 AM
  • Dawkins' favourite quote:"Isnt it enough to see that a garden is beautiful...."
    A garden doesnt just happen.. any gardener knows that it takes hard work, dedication, and yes .....DESIGN to make a beautiful garden.
    Dawkins is "perishing" and his eyes are blinded by the ruler of this world.

    Elizabeth Elliot-Pyle
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:29 AM
  • The Lord is good and worthy of all glory and honour and praise.Amen.

    Truster
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:29 AM
  • A good one from the Hebrew / Christian scriptures, "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God".

    John N Sutherland
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:29 AM
  • The advert I should most like to see?:

    LONDON SCRAPS BENDYBUSES AND BUYS 3,000 NEW TROLLEYBUSES

    Morris Hickey of Chigwell, Essex
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:29 AM
  • It is hard to have any conviction let alone courage in a negative.Why does`nt Dawkins pay for it then?Look forward to these fearless champions of reason paying to set up THEIR schools without state funding...why should we pay for their propaganda?...oh,silly me...seems that we do and no-one asked us!

    chris hartnett
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:29 AM
  • If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

    Jim B
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:28 AM
  • The answer to it all is: "Who cares?"

    Pete
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:25 AM
  • If atheism had as much coverage from the media as religion I think he wouldn't need to raise the money for the ad.

    Anglo Manglo
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:25 AM
  • "God is dead" by Nietsche would be braver, but people might call ambulances to the scene.

    S.V. Shingleton M.A, Oxford

    Susan Shingleton
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:25 AM
  • I heard everyone needs something to worship I guess with the atheist its money

    Anthony Hill
    on August 02, 2008
    at 11:25 AM
  • "There is probably no Richard Dawkins. Now stop reading his books and get on with your life"

    Maurice
    on August 02, 2008
    at 09:59 AM
  • Did you hear the one about the agnostic dyslexic insomniac?


    Sat up all night wondering if there is a dog

    Kaz
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:48 AM
  • I am sorry that I did not know about it, because I would have paid. Why is it that a person who does not believe has to have a title anyway? Surely those that believe are believers and those that don't are non-believers.

    karen
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:47 AM

  • Why would anyone pay to plaster the side of a bus with the assertion of something so boringly obvious as the non-existence of the supernatural? You might as well waste your money on a sign saying that most human beings have four fingers and a thumb on each hand. So what?

    Alan Ryan
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:47 AM
  • Problem is paste that on the side of a bus and you'd have any number of religious extremists chasing it around the capital trying to blow it up !. Personally, I don't believe in Atheists ...

    Simon Cole
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:47 AM
  • You are every bit wrong. Buy lots and lots to get right.

    Michael Bailey
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:47 AM
  • A question for the loyal disciples of Dawkins: Don't you just look at a beautiful garden or night sky and FEEL there is something wonderful going on you may not totally understand? And can you admit that you truly BELIEVE there is no greater intelligence than YOU, a creature who cannot fathom why the garden is beautiful or the stars so beguiling?

    Jason Green
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:46 AM
  • Tamara wrote "I belong to an atheist group in the U.S., and I have to admit atheists are pretty damned cheap! We don't have forced tithing, so there is no built-in pool of money to draw from. These days of economic nosedive are not helping!

    A note to atheists: IF YOU WANT CHANGE, MAKE A SACRIFICE!"

    Just to point out, as a Christian, I have never seen or heard of a Church that has a forced tithing... it's all been optional.

    Ben
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:46 AM
  • You are every bit wrong. Buy lots and lots to get right.

    Michael Bailey
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:46 AM
  • They say that the last thing to be converted is your wallet. If not believeing in God was a criminal offence would there be enough evidence to convict them?

    Terry Hamblin
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:46 AM
  • I agree with the statement "There's probably no God" since I cannot prove there is no god. That makes me an AGNOSTIC.

    Mr. Leslie Spaiser
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:44 AM
  • We atheists can better spend our money on one of the excellent 'religion is studid' or 'atheist and proud of it' Tee-shirts that are available. Just need 4678 people with the courage to wear them.

    Tim Jones
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:44 AM
  • If you ride in this bus you will understand why people prefer using their cars.

    jimbarin
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:43 AM
  • I'm sorry - but I can spend that fiver enjoying my life, after all - there is nothing after death.... not that it gets me more than a pint and a packet of crisps.

    Richard
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:41 AM
  • The Lord moves in mysterious ways...

    Apparently, by the number 73 bus.

    Mark
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:41 AM
  • Perhaps they are less susceptible to advertising than the average God believer, so why pay for an advert you don't believe in about something you don't believe in.

    Roy Davidson
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:41 AM
  • Believing that there is no God is itself a belief. Encouraging this belief leads more people to think about why they exist.And "why" is in the end the more interesting question about our lives than how we came into existence.

    tony edwards
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:37 AM
  • Richard Dawkins must have a few spare quid with his book deals. Evidently religious belief makes people better citizens willing to spend for the benefit of others. Perhaps atheism makes one tight fisted.

    Andrew
    on August 02, 2008
    at 08:34 AM
  • Why kill the fantasy? Small wonder it flopped owing to lack of support. That was a 'non message' message which could not have made any reader feel even an iota better. Believe what you will, and just live and and live.

    Liz Aquilina
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:05 AM
  • It's hardly worth paying money to point out the obvious.

    philip
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:05 AM
  • People don't want to pay for stating the obvious!!! Will you pay for a sign on the bus: 'when it rains the road gets wet'!!! Of course not! But you will have to pay to sell something that is not an obvious truth.

    Pradip
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:04 AM
  • There are atheists, but there is no atheism; it's not an organised movement or philosophy. We atheists simply recognise that there are no gods and it is ridiculous to base one's life around a bunch of fairy stories and lies in an old and rather obnoxious book (take your pick which one!).

    More power to independent rational thought! Well done atheists for not behaving like sheep.

    Sam C
    on August 02, 2008
    at 12:02 AM
  • Err.. I don't think the statement "there PROBABLY is no God..." can be considered to reflect an atheistic view.

    Anyway people only contribute money to things they believe - not thing they don't believe in!

    dave
    on August 01, 2008
    at 11:25 PM
  • I can insult some religious for free: Religion is the poor mans philosophy. There. Ain't gonna pay for it.

    1984
    on August 01, 2008
    at 11:25 PM
  • I belong to an atheist group in the U.S., and I have to admit atheists are pretty damned cheap! We don't have forced tithing, so there is no built-in pool of money to draw from. These days of economic nosedive are not helping!

    A note to atheists: IF YOU WANT CHANGE, MAKE A SACRIFICE!

    Tamara
    on August 01, 2008
    at 11:25 PM
  • I would pay for an advert which read, LONG LIVE CHRIST THE KING

    Julia Grimer
    on August 01, 2008
    at 08:11 PM
  • Hedging? Hardly. Prosyletising about what you don't believe is inane, however. Who cares?

    Stan Wright
    on August 01, 2008
    at 08:10 PM
  • There are Obviously no other Athiests, Now pay up!

    cheekymonkey
    on August 01, 2008
    at 08:10 PM
  • Haha. Anyone else get the impression these atheists are hedging their bets? Saying you don't believe God is one thing. But paying for a big sign on a bus? Who knows, maybe these atheists secretly believe in the possibility that theres a special circle of hell for people like that.

    Alex
    on August 01, 2008
    at 07:25 PM
  • How about one of Dawkins' favourite quotes from Douglas Adams: "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"

    Andy Souter
    on August 01, 2008
    at 07:21 PM
  • Stop staring at this advert and keep your eyes on the road.

    K. Parsons
    on August 01, 2008
    at 07:18 PM
  • i think should have jokes on the bus and things that are going on like festivals or conserts that are showing, something like that. it would be cool to have funny or nice things advertising on the side of the buses. !!!

    amanda marie
    on August 01, 2008
    at 04:12 PM

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