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Arlovski's $1.5 million payday tops Affliction's $3.3 million payroll (Updated)

Despite his first-round knockout loss to Fedor Emelianenko, Andrei Arlovski took home the largest disclosed payday -- $1.5 million in all -- from the Jan. 24 "Affliction: Day of Reckoning" event at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif.

Josh Barnett earned the next-biggest payday with $500,000. Emelianenko earned a reported check worth $300,000.

The total disclosed payroll for the event was $3,318,660. ( requested the salary figures on Jan. 25 and today received them from the California State Athletic Commission. The CSAC oversaw the event, which aired on HDNet (preliminary card) and pay per view (main card).

According to the CSAC, the event, which was Affliction Entertainment's second to date, drew 13,318 attendees for a live gate of $1,429,557.

The full disclosed payroll figures included:

Fedor Emelianenko: $300,000 (includes $0 win bonus)
def. Andrei Arlovski: $1,500,000

Josh Barnett: $500,000 (includes $0 win bonus)
def. Gilbert Yvel: $30,000

Vitor Belfort: $200,000 (includes $80,000 win bonus)
def. Matt Lindland: $225,000

Renato "Babalu" Sobral: $90,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus)
def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou: $50,000

Paul Buentello: $90,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus)
def. Kiril Sidelnikov: $10,000

Dan Lauzon: $23,160 (includes $11,160 win bonus)
def. Bobby Green: $4,000

Jay Hieron: $45,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus)
def. Jason High: $10,000

Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: $150,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus)
def. Vladimir Matyushenko: $50,000

L.C. Davis: $13,500 (includes $6,500 win bonus)
def. Bao Quach: $7,000

Albert Rios: $6,000 (includes $3,000 win bonus)
def. Antonio Duarte: $3,000

Brett Cooper: $10,000 (includes $5,000 win bonus)
def. Patrick Speight: $2,000

Now, the usual disclaimer: The figures do not include deductions for items such as insurance, licenses and taxes. Additionally, the figures do not include money paid by sponsors, which can oftentimes be a substantial portion of a fighter's income. They also do not include any other special bonuses the organization may have paid its fighters.

In other words, these are simply base salaries reported to the commission and do not reflect entire compensation packages for the event.  For example, despite Emelianenko's $300,000 reported payday, the fighter actually made an amount well into the seven figures.

For complete coverage of "Affliction: Day of Reckoning," check out the MMA Events section of

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purplejitz08 on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:07 pm ET
Congrats on Andrei receiving a crazy pay day.  With that I think this is an obvious statement in saying that this is the leading reason that Affliction will never survive.


VasyGSP on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:00 pm ET
I'm pretty sure that Affliction about broke even on this show.
I don't think that they're trying to make money off the fight game anyways, it's worth it more to them to get the Affliction, M1-Global and Golden Boy name out there.

With Fedor's undisclosed pay their payroll is between 4 to 4.5 million, let's say 4.23million for ease of calculation

4.23 million - 1.43 million = 2.8 million

Now let's say that out of the 45$ or whatever the PPV is, Affliction gets to keep 40$ and pay the other money for the slot, etc...

2.8 million / 40 = 70,000

So if Affliction did 70,000 PPV buys they broke even.

Of course my calculations are omitting a lot of little fees and expenses but it's probably safe to say that if they got anywhere close to 80,000 PPV buys they're breaking even.

Bottom line is that haters are still welcome on the Fedor bandwagon and it ain't stopping until Barnett, Couture, Lesnar and UFC Champ Mir catch a beatdown.

WCMMA217 on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:12 pm ET
The cable company get about 40% and you are forgeting some major expenses, like the arena and taxes and advertisement.

VasyGSP on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:20 pm ET
Arena usually makes their money off concession sales.

I am forgetting a lot of little things as I've said (taxes, ads, sales of t-shirts, etc).

If Cable company takes 40% that means that out of 45$ Affliction gets to keep 27$

Let's say that arena took not only concession but also 200,000$ on top of it.

3.0million/27 = 111,111

So now we're looking at just over 100,000 buys to break even.

ThePhenom on Feb 04, 2009 at 10:13 am ET
Wow, you are forgetting salaries of all of the announcers (Tito wasn't cheap) and employees of Affliction, the weigh in costs, setting up all of the fighter rooms, set up and tear down of the ring, travel for all of the people, etc..... there is a lot extra that would add up to millions.  Also, the arena charges much more than just 200k and concessions.  They have to have their whole staff there, run the power, set up

kidis on Feb 04, 2009 at 10:44 am ET
Tito said in dury the weigh ins that he was doing this 1 for free. Then they can work out what he is wroth if he doe's more.

mmawizard on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:28 pm ET
there is nothing that is free anymore

DeadWreckoning on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:41 pm ET
if they bring tito back to do commentary im watching all future Affliction cards on mute.
i dont need to hear tito say feodor and then try to be funny and he just comes across as an ass.
i watched the weigh ins and he said that Affliction offered him a six figure contract and he said that wasnt good enough...if i was a fight promoter id tell him heres 10 dollars if you win we can talk but you cant be demanding $100,000+ when you havent won a fight in almost 3 years and even the last person he beat was a way-over-the-hill Ken Shamrock.

b_lloyd83 on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:51 pm ET
yeah you are forgetting a massive amount of back end costs.
-the cable company takes most of the PPV $
-pay for refs, commentators, laborers  (100+) to set up and dismantle the arena
-arena rent (massive $)
-the arena takes some of the gate
-advertising all over the world leading up to the event
-all the press conferences they held leading up to the event which they PAY the fighters to go to plus travel costs to get there
-executive pay for behind the scenes work (these are the real money earners). the live shows are the way affliction makes money so these expenses have to be included in "breaking even" for the fight.
-travel expenses for all the equipment (truckloads of equipment)

we're talking substantial amounts of money here, there are a lot more things i am omitting even but im just making a point that they lost their a$$ and will not be in business for any more than 1 more show if they dont change things substantially. you should only make what you can bring in minus expenses and while i'm not going to start a fighter pay argument i think that affliction should be paying "market wages" which they clearly havent figured out yet.

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 4:12 pm ET
None of those things you mentioned cost a substantial amount of money.  We are talking thousands of dollars for each item, not tens of thousands or hundred of thousands.

- cable company keeps 50%
- refs are paid with standard state fee for event
- commentators were provided by M-1 global via contract w/Fedor
- arena is around $200 - $250k . . . Honda Center may be cheaper because it's desperate to get booked
- arena was already paid before ticket sales, tax is added onto ticket price when purchasing a ticket
- advertising . . . you mean the one week DOR was advertised
- press conference, booking at hotel for a conference room isn't much
- travel expenses? Plane tickets for 20 fighters?

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 4:04 pm ET
Actually arenas cost around $200k.  Concessions and parking pay help pay for all the staff and expenses you mentioned and still leaves a profit.

eddyr2ofanaheim on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:44 pm ET
Dude no f'en way the broke even!!!The Arena get nice % of the all the ads the Afflition ran are free...i'm guessing the didnt get 100k buys and the had a P/L of -$2.5 guess...not bad if you have the stomch for it...zuffa lost over $40 mill it's 1st few year!

BigD25 on Feb 04, 2009 at 5:40 pm ET
What?!!!?!?!? All you haters............ blah! Stop with this uprising the Affliction name. They are going to be gone in a year. You don't put on shows to break even. You put on shows to make money. Otherwise your a moron. Affliction will NEVER make money with that kinda payroll. Why did they pay 1.5 to Arlovksi??? That is insane! But thats ok because UFC will never be overtaken or have competition. I don't mind the other small shows.... because they aren't retarted like Affliction. Affliction needs to stop having shows and just sell shirts.........unless they cut their salaries big time.

rjboles on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:15 pm ET
InDemand gets half, not 11%.  G     ood luck with that.

MartialArtist on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:18 pm ET
HA HA HA, lesnar, beatdown.... riiiiiight

ForzaNova14 on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:30 pm ET
If lessnar gets some ground game into his system that will equal Good bye Fedor!!!

Bogeymonster on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:43 pm ET
you mean it will equal armbar by fedor

VasyGSP on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:23 pm ET
If only Arlovski didn't try that flying knee
If only Sylvia didn't sign to fight Fedor
If only Couture didn't get caught by that punch behind the ear
If only Mir didn't have his arm broken in a motorcycle accident
If "Big Country" Nelson was in shape
If Lesnar's grandma had balls she's be his grandpa...

We can keep going forever with the "what ifs"

LM01 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:25 am ET
Right, we can keep saying what if or we can make the mature comments that plague this site every time someone feels their favorite fighter has been insulted.  I hope everyone takes the higher road like you did.

bob0126 on Feb 04, 2009 at 8:36 am ET
Mir broking his leg (femur) in the motorcycle accident was the major injury that he needed to overcome in returning to the octagon. 

s00nertp on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:39 pm ET
well said VasyGSP

eddyr2ofanaheim on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:48 pm ET
Brock is Purple Belt level bbj...and i hear that Brock has a MEAN armbar himself!!! if him and Fedor fight in a cage in a year i would lean 55% to a ring i lean  55% Fedor...

earl on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:27 pm ET
Dude, Lesnar wouldn't have anything for Fedor at this point.  He's going to get subbed by Mir (again) and hopefully quit MMA like he's quit everything else.

VanillaGorilla4Life on Feb 04, 2009 at 3:09 pm ET
   Totally ignorant statement. What exactly are you reffering to that Lesnar quit?
The WWE where he had already made a few million dollars and decided to step away from even more money to puruue his passion of competing in a legitimate competetive sport? The NFL? Which he didnt quit he was cut on the very last day of training camp by the Minnesota Vikings despite not having played competitive football since high school? If either one of those things are what you consider quitting then you have a really warped view of reality.
  Lesner will pound Mir out in the first or second round then dominate the rest of his challengers until it becomes inevidable for Fedor to fight him if he wants to be considered the best heavyweight, by then Lesner will be more skilled and experienced and he will finally lay to rest the myth that is Fedor Emilienko.

earl on Feb 04, 2009 at 3:28 pm ET
Hmmm...Fedor's 29-1, Brock's 3-1.  Who's the "mythical" one here again?  Total ball cupping on your part in response to my comment in combination with your screen name shows you're as objective about Brock as I am.

VanillaGorilla4Life on Feb 04, 2009 at 3:45 pm ET
   I defenitly woulldn't consider Lesner mythical, hes an up and coming fighter with alot to prove, and oh yea THE UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. How many times has Fedor held the UFC title which is without a doubt the most prestigious and well known heavyweight belt in all of MMA? Oh yea known because he has never even been in an octagon.
   Fedor is a beast no doubt, but beating two guys that the UFC didnt want anymore isnt really the stuff legends are made of if you ask me.  With the up & coming heavyweight in the UFC(Kongo,Gonzaga,Carwin,Valazquez,Dos Santos)in a couple of years Brocks resume will be as good as Fedors & more people will defenitly know who he is.
 by then if Fedor wants to stay relevent he'll have to bite the bullet & fight Lesner. But who knows he probably doesnt care either way, he's made his money & the guy has no passion at all for MMA.
  And yes I am a Lesner fan so I probably am a little objective. And as much as I do like Lesner I think my dislike for Fedor probably doubles that.

MexicanJudo on Feb 04, 2009 at 6:13 pm ET
Did you just say Fedor has no passion for MMA??! OK............ UMMM.......Speachless........

VanillaGorilla4Life on Feb 05, 2009 at 10:15 am ET
 Do some research buddy, he said himself he fights strictly for the money.

ThonolansGhost on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:55 pm ET
From what i've read, Affliction has lost a minimum of $3,000,000 on each of it's two shows.

lance2576 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:37 am ET
Other than what Dana white has comented on i have been able to find a place where they lost any money on the web. It has been speculated. I have not read a fact yet. All they need is a few more good fighters to survive. Less just remember that the ufc was in the whole as well and went even deeper in the whole for a while before they came out.

BigDaveyB on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:35 am ET
you're digging yourself a hole by spelling it whole.

linton2006 on Feb 04, 2009 at 8:07 am ET
do you have a specific reference that states this?  I have yet to see it...

In other news today...Coke says that it tastes better than it must be true!!!

ValeTudo_atx on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:05 am ET
coke does taste better than pepsi...  everyone knows that

machinegun on Feb 04, 2009 at 11:53 am ET
you're out of your mind..
(unfortunately I dont drink soda anymore though)

Shaunissey on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:43 am ET
What is Pepsi?  There is only Coke!!!

rew0045 on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:17 am ET

You are out of your mind dude.

There is no way in hell they broke even. It was a lose just like the first show.

You are thinking of 3 elements out of hundreds that go into paying for a show.

You did not think about refs, ring girls, commentators, concession workers, security, etc........................

Go back to school!

Abusing on Feb 04, 2009 at 10:12 am ET
Everyone always forgets about the ring girls... must cost AT LEAST 20$ an hour, Affliction is doomed!

rew0045 on Feb 04, 2009 at 11:00 am ET

You are an idiot,just like the original post I am talking about.

There is much more to the show than, fighter pay, PPV $, and now your pointing out one other facet again ring girls. It is hundreds of things that cost money and very few that pay in.

Cost: arena, crew to bring in a setup and take down, security, commentators, refs, comped tickets, all staff including concessions, ticket pullers, Affliction staff, etc.., fighter pay, ADVERTISING including TV, Web, Travelling, web design, etc..., and there is much much more that I'm sure I could never list on here.

Pay out: Half PPV and ticket sales and a cut of the concessions ( probably shared with arena owner and sponsors ).

I'm just saying, without 500,00 PPV buys they lose money almost everytime or they are not profitable unless they pull 500k PPV buys.


kidis on Feb 04, 2009 at 10:41 am ET
The cable company gets 50%. I work for the cable campany we get 50% off of all ppv the is the campany's share.

Bogeymonster on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:45 pm ET
obviously forgets whose dumping money into the org. Donald trump doesn't care about a small loss hes taking watch and wait you will see more affliction

ThonolansGhost on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:58 pm ET
Trump hasn't put any money into Affliction. They pay him to have his name associated with Affliction.

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:18 am ET
Your source?

larrinho on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:32 am ET
Unless you prove me otherwise I would like to consider this a ridiculous post!   why would Attencio in his right mind waste money to have someone who had ZERO relation with MMA to show his face in his shows! 

lance2576 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:44 am ET
wrong sir. My Trumo has put money into affliction. I do not know if it is on loans or wht but he has said he has taken a personal interest in Affliction MMa and Fedor Emeilenko. Personal does not mean i just here to advice. Pluse the talk isthe next event will be own the east Free venue

chawk222 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:32 am ET
Affliction needs to rework these contracts quickly if they want a future,Andre Arlowski & Tim Slyvia were way overpaid.
Fedor,Josh Barnett & Matt Lindland  are all good fighters but they are not household names that casuel fans know.
So they also shouldn't be paid as highly as they are,unless you are a total MMA fan you don't know who they are.
Unlike guys like Tito Ortiz,Chuck Liddell,Randy Couture & Brock Lesnar even if your not a diehard fan you know who they are.

lance2576 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:40 am ET
Very few casual fans buy ppv. They watch the free stuff. I can not understand why any real mma fan would not buys that card. Other than the backstage comminting and tito doing interviews in the ring then it was an great show. It has been better than the last two ufc. I love the ufc

bob0126 on Feb 04, 2009 at 8:56 am ET
Ahh the "real mma fan" argument got to love that fall back.  Actually you are somewhat correct, very few casual fans buy the Affliction ppv's.  The difference in the UFC and Affliction ppv number is greatly due to the casual fan purchasing the UFC ppv's.  The casual fan identifies mma with the UFC thinking of them as interchangable.  Affliction has done a poor job of reaching these fans.  I think that this is actually their biggest short coming at the moment.

I also just wanted to point out some that has been done a lot lately in posts.  To preface a post or end a post with a "I'm a huge BJ fan" then blast BJ, or "I love GSP" after going off about him.  I love the ufc - all of these make me think of the jock in Bill & Ted's finishing his presentation "San Dimas High School Football RULES!!!"

SAUSED on Feb 04, 2009 at 8:24 am ET
Dana White is right about one thing they are some crazy russians!! Emelianenko only got $300 If im remember right the ufc offered him well over that per fight and he turned it down?

prodigyfan on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:51 pm ET
Fedor had to have gotten more than 300K. I've been reading the comments hoping someone would have a better idea as to the actual figure that Fedor took home. So does anyone know how much Fedor really made?

I know an obstacle in the negoiations between Fedor and Zuffa was the not being able to participate in Sambo, so it was more than just money.

QBALL on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:07 pm ET
I'm more interested in how much Affliction actually made off the event including PPV buys. Anyone know that figure?
I'm just trying to narrow down how much they possibly made after a payroll like that.

purplejitz08 on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:11 pm ET
From everything that I have been hearing they are in much of the same boat as last time.  Though Atencio has denied abismal ratings and ticket sales, there has been a lot of speculation of this event failing in comparison to the first. and that isnt saying much.

I agree though, I would love to see the actual figures on the outcome of the financial status of the event.


bignerd on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:39 pm ET
Other than the gate amount I haven't seen a number that wasn't pure speculation via some guy on a message board sitting at home.

GGFighting on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:08 am ET
The estimated PPV buys are between 175000 and 225000 which I have been told that 175000 is breaking even for Affliction.

Torontolion80 on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:15 pm ET
I think Dana's right, they will be financially done if they continue to pay out like this.  I suspect that the next show won't come for quite some time.

IPV4 on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:29 pm ET
These are the kind of salaries that that cheap b#$#$#d Dana should be paying but he is too busy spending the companies money on their  private jet traveling all over world.

makinal on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:37 pm ET
you're such a dumbass.

there wont be a third show, if AA get 1.5 millions imagine what barnett will ask to get beat by fedor

lance2576 on Feb 04, 2009 at 3:12 am ET
this pay out was lower than the first event, There will be one more at least. Bbecause every mma fan since Josh left the ufc has wanted this fight. It will do good. After this there are no promosis out the unless they can maybe sign a  robbie lawlor and some other name lower division. What i would is leave anything under on 185 out and have all the big men just . bring in every big man willing to sign. If he has wins then do it. Take a page out of ufc. the funds go tight and they dropped the lightweight for a couple year and now they are strong. There are fighert all over this world wanting to fight. No know you cant pay them crazt but give them a pay raise every time they to well. Signs som well kmown heavies out there. They are there.fight for everyone who ha talent. It was not 4 years ago that rich frankilin had to fight a no mane just to have someont defend the title against. Build and they will come. You cot you new guys. Spread them out some get the big boys in. Build the largest class of heavyweights out ther. and middleweights. Thesa are the only two weekspots in the ufc. Silva has the middleweight title and will retire with it

MikeJJ on Feb 04, 2009 at 5:24 am ET
 Last time i checked the blogs of Dana and other show concerning him - he almost seems to be the sports ambassador 24/7...of course he takes some time off and spends some money.

Why don't they all start giving out more money? Imagine GSP vs BJ Penn would have been a boxing match...with that impact those two could divide 40 millions among them.

Look on the payroll what lesser known fighters made....UFC anyone?

UFC almost invented the sport. They came up with the concept etc any other fighting org does just copy that.

One more show for Affliction this year, max. 2 !!!! That's the reason their fixed roster of fighters getting paid that well.
Nobody knows how much paydays are still ahead this year.

Would like to hear the real ppv numbers by a cableprovider or someone like that and not from mister t-shirt-talking-marekting promoter Tom Atencio.


rew0045 on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:29 am ET

Dana is a smart business man and thats why they are not paying rediculous paydays like Affliction. If they did they would not be in business still.

futurecontender on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:59 pm ET
LOL imagine that patrick guy goes home with $2K, while arlovski goes with $1.5MIL....lmao trippy

CanadianCrippler on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:44 pm ET
The cataclismic event i saw showed Paul buentello makeing more money then Babalu!!!

Now thats a wtf right there!

OverThere on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:23 pm ET
You requested the salaries on January 25 and they're just now sending them to you? How weak. God, the California commission sucks - guess it wasn't just Armando Garcia.

Speaking of "Weak" sites, one of the other MMA websites posted the salaries right after this event and a lot of them are very different from the ones posted above. Did they just make them up or something?

Anyway, I never thought I'd see the day Buentello was paid $90k

bignerd on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:45 pm ET
California State workers aren't working as fast they used to

LM01 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:32 am ET
Have state workers ever worked fast?

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:18 am ET
No! Until this month they were used to getting paid and having a full 40 hour work week without furlough.

Asher on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:25 pm ET
thats BS how is he getting paid so much

IPV4 on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:30 pm ET
Why is BS because the  most you have seen in a ufc contract is 500k. Dana is a cheap fk.

Tesanus on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:35 pm ET
If Dana is cheap for paying his fighters, what does that make the Strikeforce organization, who don't even pay half the guys that fight on their cards?

chrisbboy82 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:14 am ET
If Affliction can pay their fighters as much money as they are, then there is an argument that the UFC should pay their fighters more. Obviously, the UFC will not (and should not) pay their fighters as much as Affliction pays their fighters, but the UFC fighters definitely deserve to get paid more (once again, not as much as Afflction pays their fighters) especially since UFC PPVs get buyrates easily in the mid to high 100,000s.

lance2576 on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:47 am ET
If the ufc is averaging 300,000 buys at 40 dollars and cable companies are getting half then that is 6,000,000. I never heard of of the ufc paying more than 3,000,000 in fighter salaries. They can afford to give every main event fighter a 1,000,000 dollars. At least that way people will earn main event status and you wont have Sanchez leading a free show. No but seriously they can afford to throw down a million to the main event winner everytime. And they would still have fat pockets. They make money off everysponcer They dont pay sponsors. They make even more of gate. They would make bank still. Sign people to there contracts at whatever. just give them a million dollar bonus if they win a main event and be fair about whou are in them

lance2576 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:51 am ET
strike force runs a good organization. But truly it is steel a regional organization that does not go east further than the rocky mountains. Them guy are making money and Dana like them because they are not threating him. He considers them a minor league or a fall back leave. The guys for affliction or top ten fighters. They are getting paid buck. he bashes the because the are after fighters and the longer they in business paying these salaries then this forces his salaries to go up. St Pierre has never made this much money of a fight. This fight to me was market better but was no more important than when he faught hughes the second time

spree2live on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:33 pm ET
sad 2 say i think affliction will not be able 2 stay afloat with these salaries like this.  i would like them 2 be able 2 give the ufc some competition but i can't last like this.  one more show and fedor will be in the ufc.  with fedor and overeem they will have a sick heavyweight division (wishful thinking).

matt on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:36 pm ET
so we all know fedor made about a million more than what it says so the payroll was well over 4 million while their gate was only a little over 1 million. Who know about the ppv buys reports for the last said around 50,000 while mr. atencio said they did over 100,000 i tend no to believe him and i think affliction is losing tons of money

Santa on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:48 pm ET
You guys don't see the long-term logic.  UFC wants it known that Affliction will go under.  But Affliction will draw away fighters from the UFC after a couple more shows.  Trump isn't going anywhere.  You'll see.  A.Silva couldn't even box, a huge payout, cause of Dana.  UFC won't last against the money draw that is Affliction.

Tesanus on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:37 pm ET
Affliction has a better chance of being invited to put on an all-women card in Iran than putting the UFC out of business.

bignerd on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:47 pm ET
Uhhhh, neither is the goal of Affliction . . .

MikeJJ on Feb 04, 2009 at 5:38 am ET

What a logic... Nobody will leave the UFC for Affliction. They only get the scraps that fall off the UFC's table.

I do not know of any fighter that wasn't kicked out by the UFC for various reasons that is under contract for Affliction now.

There will be no long term for Affliction. Only Longterm is paying off their debts using t-shirts.....

ducknow on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:49 pm ET
There must be a happy medium between how the UFC pays and how Affliction pays. I mean, you can't blame guys for wanting to fight for Afflictions for that kind of dough. But I can't see them staying in business paying  a $1.5  million  share to a losing fighter.  No wonder the UFC is always the organizations that keeps on standing.

burda1212 on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:44 pm ET
think about it we've known for awhile now that revenue from ppv and gate have been comparable to boxing, yet the fighters salary is not even close. so i think affliction is being more fair with sharing the revenue, just imagine if affliction was doing between 500 and a million ppv buys you'd probably see figures close to some of the c list boxers which is like 2.5 to 5 mill

jack_u_up666 on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:32 am ET
C list boxers do not make 2.5 to 5 mil.
What planet are you from?

dedlift on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:52 pm ET
"thats BS how is he getting paid so much"

Good BS for Andre. He's no dummy that's for sure.
Reminds me of pro athletes with aggressive agents.

If the team, organization or sponsor wants to offer up big money to
the athlete and the athlete walks away from said offer....

THAT would be BS.

Affliction appears to be short time.

UFC is the odds on favorite to be around in five years...which means their employee's
will have the opportunity to earn a pay check and take advantage of
sponsorships etc. down the road.

alexovie on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:09 am ET
exactly...great point.  The UFC fighters stand to make way more money in the long run because the UFC will still be around.  If Paul Buentello is making 90 grand and 70 of that is gauranteed, there is something wrong.

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:25 am ET
Buentello would probably make $45k to show and $60k to win even in the UFC because all heavyweights come at a premium price.  In my opinion his contract isn't that bad at all compared to others.

Arlvoski got $1 mil bonus for making the main event against Fedor according Dave Meltzer . . . confirmed by UFC management.

SKULL on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:53 pm ET
Its all about how bad they want you, to win or lose. Royce Gracie made something like 750,000 to matt hughes 250,000 when matt destroyed him. Alos Randy had it written into his old contract, before dispute, to get 1 dollar for ever pay per view subscriber which pasd well over a million per fight. I think, I could be wrong, that other fighters wanted this type of contract and so they saif that nobody was going to get a percentage of PPV. This is the reason why Randy originally left!

DocWagner on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:53 pm ET
Good for Arlovski...good for him.  How much do MLB players make??

rew0045 on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:31 am ET

Major league baseball players play 160 games in 7 months. There is a difference here

prodigyfan on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:07 pm ET
Yeah so no baseball players are overpaid.

Well how much do boxers make then?

KunkFunk on Feb 03, 2009 at 9:58 pm ET
Dana is smarter than he is cheap.  He knows theres no way to survive paying a guy like AA 1.5 mil.  thats just stupid, but my question is why did fedor make so much less than AA and Barnett when he is the main attraction?

ThonolansGhost on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:02 pm ET
Apparently, nobody bothered to read the whole article, especially the part where it says that Fedor made well into seven figures.

linton2006 on Feb 04, 2009 at 8:17 am ET
A lot of these guys shoot from the lip...without reading the facts...and then want respect as being knowledgeable about MMA...

BigLEFT on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:11 pm ET
1.5 mill for AA, 300 k for Fedor?
I usually don't look into this stuff, but there has to be more than that for Fedor.
I mean, he's their "cash cow", right?

On the other hand, Affliction's payroll is all over the place.
1.5 mill for this guy, 300k for this guy, 2k for this guy...................

coreymb on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:18 pm ET
You can be rest assured Fedor is getting more than 300k but I don't know about Arlovski pay!

If I recall right Fedors biggest payday ever was for a NYE event and that was reported around 1 million.

It makes sense Arlovski getting paid more though. He is the more popular American fighter with a huge fan base compared to Fedor.

I think the Payroll was actually much better than the 1st one. The 1st card they overpaid every single fighter now there was atleast some legit pay for all the fighters involved.

iafitefan on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:55 pm ET
I would guess that Fedor got some big signing bonus upfront, and gets smaller paydays for the fights.  Just a guess.

alexovie on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:12 am ET
Doesn't anyone read the whole article?  It says right at the bottom that he made 7 figures.

ThonolansGhost on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:59 pm ET
This article clearly states that Fedor actually made well over a million bucks for the Arlovski fight.

123repeater on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:12 pm ET
Affliction's strategy is to lure as many UFC fighters as they can. They will keep losing tons of money on every card for the next few years with these huge payouts. When they eventually accumulate enough talent they can start lowering their salaries to UFC- levels. It's a gamble that Trump, Golden Boy, etc are taking. They all got mad $$$ so they aren't sweating it yet.

I hope they fail though because I prefer the UFC preduction more and I just can't stand the traditional boxing ring compared to the Octagon. I just like the way the UFC is set up right now.

tufpowell on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:50 pm ET
Agree 100%!


Tesanus on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:46 pm ET
They'll keep luring washed-up ex-UFC fighters and paying them millions til they go under like EliteXC.  It's not a gamble, it's financial suicide.

larrinho on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:03 am ET
i think otherwise, as long as Affliction has the financial support from Golden Boy and Trump and people keep buying their PPVs (which true fans should do and will do)  they would stay afloat and down the road challenge the UFC, see the difference that Affliction has a legitimate draw in Fedor and people pay to watch him whereas Kimbo Slice was a draw for free but I highly doubt  that those "know-nothing" fans would have paid to see Kimbo or Gina for that matter.

alexovie on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:14 am ET
The first show affliction puts on without Fedor, they sell maybe 3 dozen PPV...if their lucky. 

No Fedor = No Affliction

larrinho on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:24 am ET
for now that is definitely the case, but that's why they have like 2 PPVs every year, just give them time and they'll be able to build up some other fighters...however I think there are some fights that could headline an Affliction PPV without Fedor, like Tito Ortiz vs Babalu, and they could also try to advertise the rebirth of Belfort who got two nasty KOs in a row (Martin and Lindland)....they may not do as well as a Fedor vs (insert name here), but if they could stack the cards like they have been doing, they would do alright with the buys.

Also WAMMA can convince Dream and Affliction to do joint-events that can be watched in Japan and here in the US.

LM01 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:36 am ET
I agree with the rebirth of Belfort, but not so sure that Affliction can make it long without high interest in the best pound for pound fighter they have.  I could be wrong, as could any of us, but I just am not so sure I see it happening.

larrinho on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:49 am ET
I do...obviously that such PPVs wouldn't get much buys and woudn't sell out, but in the other hand they wouldn't have to pay the headliners over a million each, and they could stack the cards with good matchups between somewhat famous fighters which they do have:   Hieron, Horodecki, Soko, Lauzon, Little Nog, Vlad, Sylvia (if he's call back) Alek and Baby Fedor, Buentello and the ones that I hope Affliction will sign from EliteXC...think of those PPVs as the equivalent of UFC 85, 89, 90, 95:  few buys, low payroll but keeps the company running and that would lead to people taking Affliction more seriously.

Something else that Affliction could do is stop having their fighters wear Afflicion shirts because that limits the amount of sponsors the fighters get and it leads to them asking for more money!

LM01 on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:01 am ET
I get what you mean.  It would make sense, but I believe something the UFC can do really well no matter what type of card they offer is attract casual fans.  I'm not convinced that is something that Affliction can do without their big fighters like Fedor and Arlovski.  I do agree on the whole Ortiz vs Babalu gaining some interest.  I think we would all like to see Tito get his butt kicked at least once more (especially after that commentating job!).

larrinho on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:28 am ET
yeah it's a gamble but it's worth a try, I know that I'd like to see some of the fighters I've mentioned combined with EliteXC's elite (no pun intended) as some other fans would also agree with me...and Afflicion will have to do so, those events are bound to give some revenue because they don't have to explode with advertising and payroll, not to mention that even if Fedor is the greatest, people is gonna eventually get bored of watching him in every Affliction show...

I know what you mean about Tito's commentating and ring interviewing skills, he wasn't bright and in the ring he made big mistakes in the questions, but in my opinion that wasn't as annoying as those two dudes making interviews behind the scenes...

I'll leave you with some Ortiz quotes:

Ortiz to Babalu:  "...I wanna tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw in the ring" 

Ortiz to Fedor:   " showed it once against Sylvia in 38 seconds you done it again against Arlovski in 3 minutes and 34 seconds let me tell YOU how YOU feeling right now" 

the first one had me cracking up!!!  reminds me of Miss South Carolina!!

prodigyfan on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:18 pm ET
Good post. His ring interviews were terrible. When you type it out it seems like twice as stupid.

MikeJJ on Feb 05, 2009 at 7:46 am ET

Iainkelt on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:55 pm ET
Just a small point or two.

One, we don't know whether or not people are buying the PPVs. The most I've seen is speculation about the numbers, and unless I see something more concrete then guesswork I remain skeptical about how many PPV buys Affliction did. On a related note, anytime some uses the "its what true fans do" line or argument I pretty much immediately tune everything else out. There are a lot of reasons to admire and support what Affliction is trying to do, and there are a lot of reasons to suspect that they are almost bankrupt or that the product they put out is inferior. Neither thought process makes you a "true" MMA fan, whatever that means.

lance2576 on Feb 04, 2009 at 3:28 am ET
There are a lot of fighters in this world. Affliction knows this. Affliction knows that dana has burned a lot of bridges. There are fighters everywhere. Joe silva doesnt know everyone. He is letting a guy make is debute on an upcoming fight night. All afflction has to do is go out after everyheavyweigh out there and bring them in. Go get them. I guarantee that the top then ranked heavyies in the ufc are not five really top ten ranked. Even if the got ol crow cop. There are dozens of good russian born fighters any everyweight class. No one knew have the ufc fighters before they put them on tv. There has to be a reasonable card everytime but it does not have to be the greatest. Just make sure fedor and arlovski is not on every one so they can pay salarie. and get rid or the ring

MikeJJ on Feb 05, 2009 at 8:10 am ET
Jeez...i'm living in Germany and we have different gramatics compared to english or american english but your post was all jacked, what a puzzle to read.

btw: No ring - no Fedor....!

I don't see him fight anywhere but a ring. Imo he will never step into a cage!

You see what Affliction pays fighters that aren't widely known because they were UFC hasbeens and wannabees...3000$ . LOL! There in no way better than the UFC. The big purses for the known fighters have 2 reasons - one - they can't give their fighters % of ppv because they don't sell enough and - two - ask Andre or Josh if they know when they have another Affliction payday...they don't - they don't know if they fight one more time this year or two or -god forbid- nomore because Fedor broke a hand...

k00ey on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:40 pm ET
AA gets 1.5mil and fedor goes home with 300k, that cant be right

alexovie on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:15 am ET
Read the whole article.  Fedor made 7 figures.

ticoleman on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:45 pm ET
Dear UFC FIghters,

if you realize that your fight career won't last that long, stop being happy with >60k money and go to Affliction.



Iainkelt on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:03 pm ET
Keep in mind a couple things. First is that the UFC puts on far more fights then Affliction has (obviously) and so any individual fighter's chance of fighting more then once or a year would be higher in the UFC unless Affliction starts loaning out it's fighters on a regular basis. So although you might get a higher (on paper at least) one time payment from Affliction, I'm not sure it equals more money over the long term.

Second, remember EliteXC. They signed a bunch of fighters, went under, and now all those fighters are where?....Nowhere. Stuck in legal limbo until that gigantic clusterf*** gets sorted out. Also, some guys going over to Japan to fight only to find out that they aren't getting their paycheck on anything resembling a reasonable timeframe, if at all.

I think fighters should get as much as they can, while they can, but they also have to look at more then just the reported salary numbers and dig a little deeper to see the whole picture.

iron_fists on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:51 pm ET
I'm appalled by these figures...

If Affliction can make it - good for them but shelling out big bucks like that - i doubt it


Jslice on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:54 pm ET
Forbes Estimates the UFC's worth around 1 billion dollars. The company is out of the hole and making money and working to build a strong foundation for the  future. Trump, Goldenboy, and whoever else you want to mention might have deep pockets but the UFCs pockets are just as deep and are much more familiar with MMA. Affliction is Toast. No company is going to keep sinking money into a failing venture while the economy is in a recession. Money is what makes the MMA world go round and while fighters want to make the big bucks they do not want to fight for a company that appears to be on shaky ground. The UFC is doing video games and merchandise that will pay fighters for the rest of their lives and no other stage for MMA can give sponsors the exposure that the UFC does. This Affliction is "just hanging around to kill the UFC" stuff is nonsense. Go take a business class, buy some clothes other than the Affliction T shirts you bought with your welfare check and Get a life.

Santa on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:55 pm ET
1 Billion?  source or fail.

larrinho on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:59 pm ET

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:00 am ET
How much of the pie can fighters expect to get from video game sales?  $59.99 per game divided by 250 fighters . . . and we all know the fighters cut per game sold is probably closer to $2 than $59.99.

Fighters and merchandise?  Yes, these guys were obvious to the merchandise market before UFC forced them to sign it away for life.  To think they are so much better off sharing revenue with everyone else including UFC management instead of brokering their own deals.

tufpowell on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:54 pm ET
I think they pay extra to Fedor's opponents, as long as they fight by going in there with there hands down throwing flying knees at the crazy russian. lol

larrinho on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:03 pm ET
this is the reason why I hope Affliction survives, the UFC is by far my favorite organization but they do not take care of their fighters the way it should, I mean i know that Dana, Joe Silva and the Fertitas work around the clock and they are the ones running the empire and that there are thousands of UFC employees that make every show possible, but honestly without the fighters Dana would be nothing but a good idea!

By the way guys speaking of fighter's well being don't forget to donate a few dollars to the Corey Hill foundation...go to (sorry Junkie if I'm not allowed to post this site)

VasyGSP on Feb 03, 2009 at 11:33 pm ET
Exactly what you just said!

For all the people out there that deep down want Affliction to fail (don't fool yourselves, there's many of you), ask yourself this question:
Would you rather have a desk job that pays 50,000 a year  OR
Would you rather be a fighter that makes 4,000 per fight, three times a year and pays a quarter of that for training.

Okay, now what if you have a family with kids.

People need to stop tripping out and acting like they're following WWE.

MMA is real fighting and we follow elite athletes.  Who gives a F about production and all the fake-drama that UFC and Dana White produce.

Even if Affliction goes down I'll be happy that a lot of fighters got payed what they deserve for putting their health and long-term well-being in risk for our entertainment.

rew0045 on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:27 am ET

What you don't understand is it is their choice to sign the contract and not take the desk job for 50K. Some up and coming fighters work and fight, but sometimes life is not f**king easy and if you want to fight for the best MMA org in the world (UFC) then you have to work your way up unless your a freak like GSP, Penn, Lesnar, Courture,etc...

bob0126 on Feb 04, 2009 at 10:13 am ET
Actually I would rather have a desk job that pays 100K a year.

A lot of fighters get money from sponsorships that exceeds what they get paid for the fight.  There are "bonuses" that are paid that are not listed as a part of the payroll submitted to the commission.  Fighters can get paid for providing training at gyms.  Fighters can also work additional jobs at times.

I don't claim to know exactly what any fighter makes because I don't work as an accountant to mma fighters.  I also don't know all of the dealing of an mma promotion behind the scenes of what it costs to run an organization.  I highly doubt any one on this mma discussion board really does.  Making claims that this company is going under or that company is cheap is all hearsay.  All that anyone can really do is look at the information and take it at face value.  Each event that a company holds brings in a certain live gate, a certain amount of money from ppv sales and pays out a certain amount of money to the fighters, employees, venue etc.  The information that is reported here is only the tip of the iceberg.  We can assume that every thing is the same and compare the live gate, ppv sales and fighters' salaries and see that Affliction pays more than the UFC but sells less.  Any conclusions made based on this is pure conjecture.  All I know is that being an mma fighter is a choice that these guys make.  If it was such a horrible way to make a living then I doubt they would continue to do it.

VanDerBurns on Feb 04, 2009 at 10:45 am ET
That must be one of the most intelligent posts I have ever seen on these forums!

rew0045 on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:14 pm ET

You probably could not pay me enough to do what those guys do, but they love it and live it. I have a great job and with benefits and a car and gas card and company CC i make over $100k, but I do love compitition and miss wrestling. I guess being armchair MMA guy is what gets me by and the occasional drunken brawl.

somnium on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:43 am ET
The face that Andrei is making above scares me a bit. Looks like a big bad hairy wolf.

Nice day. It isn't anymore absurd than what other professional athletes make. (Such as baseball and basketball players IE. A-ROD, LeBron James)

If anything.. fighters should make quite a lot for the pressure they go through. Y'know some of the world's dangerous 'jobs' come with a nice salary. Fighting should be no exception really. You put yourself at risk every time out there in the ring/cage. The numbers shouldn't be skyhigh though. The 1.5M was a lot to drop, especially on the loser. ;)

KunkFunk on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:01 am ET
Well the reason they cant make more is because if they were payed more than the companies like affliction and ufc wouldnt make profit

rxr333 on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:11 am ET
 Good for Arlovski and Fedor, Dana pisses me off with his tyranny in the UFC, when John Fitch got fired because he didn't want to sign the video game deal and he threaten to severe ties with ATT that's bs. I wish Fitch and ATT would have stood there ground then some of those guys would probably be in Affliction and making some big bucks. Some of these camps would have great leverage if they stood up to Dana, imagine if Xtreme Couture or Jackson Submission Fighting said I don't think to the video game deal then the UFC would have some problems, and I understand that what I've said is much easier said then done as I am sure someone may point out.
These fighters need to be treated better and paid better but I guess that is what WAMMA is there for right....Right?
I hope that Atencio isn't Bull Shitting everyone like it seems when he says that Affliction is doing fine. I wish Affliction and Dream would co promote so that there cards could be a lot more diverse. It would be much more intriguing of a ppv if say Aioki and Fedor both defended there WAMMA titles on the same card.
And another thing I would much rather be called the Affliction heavyweight champion then WAMMA chamma.


Shinsui on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:17 am ET
Wow... This is so much wrong on so many levels.

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:26 am ET
I'm sure Dana's quote that Greg Jackson should never sit in a corner again isn't sitting to well with Camp Jackson right now.

coltrane on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:26 am ET
it was an affliction and M1 event and, if i remember correctly, fedor has stakes in M1. i'm pretty sure this this was all mentioned 
when those companies first started out. 
so he gets paid less 'coz he's more than just one of the fighters on the card, he's one of the management too...

joeyjoe209y on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:28 am ET
Why did Andrei Arlovski get paid so much more than Fedor?  Only 300,000 for Fedor?  That can't be right!  He was the box office draw, and the champion.  Can someone explain this to me!  Thanks

west73 on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:55 am ET
ridiculous payday

now what? 2 mill?


sealyaxe on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:20 am ET
Just imagine how much Arlovski would have made if he were actually qualified to be in the ring with someone like Fedor.

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 6:46 pm ET
Considering the next event might be a rematch . . .

jrvanhook on Feb 04, 2009 at 11:45 am ET
Here we go again, a million ----- speculating on the futre of a company they have no inside knowledge about. Well, you're all probably right, maybe Affliction won't survive, but until they do fold I won't be making any speculations.

It's weird how the stories about money are the ones that get the most responses.

jrvanhook on Feb 04, 2009 at 3:48 pm ET
seriously.......... you actually took that out?

morons is a term of endearment

earl on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:21 pm ET
Wow, $500,000 per minute is a great salary, Andrei!  Man, AA's not worth that kind of money at all.  The only person on this card that should be making close to that is Fedor.  Paying guys like AA and Barnett those kind of salaries and giving Fedor less than them is ridiculous and a sure way to break the bank in short order.

JustMe on Feb 04, 2009 at 12:31 pm ET
I see a SHIP SINKING in the distance after 2 trips in the water

gdawg on Feb 04, 2009 at 2:17 pm ET
Sure would like to know more about Fedor's deal. I can't believe he's not BY FAR the highest paid.

These guys had better squirrel away some of that big Affliction money, because when it folds, these guys won't make near this in other promotions. Especially the UFC.

JustMe on Feb 04, 2009 at 3:17 pm ET
I am sure Affliction pays M-1 for lending Fedor to fight.  Which M-1 then pays Fedor as an employer.

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 4:20 pm ET
It's rumored M-1 Global receives $2 million per event which pays Fedor and some of the production costs (some promos, commentators, consulting, talent evaluation, etc.)

salmandini on Feb 04, 2009 at 3:39 pm ET
id take 1.5 to get knocked out like that

uppercut on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:30 pm ET
They had to give him that much just in case he needed facial reconstruction.

bignerd on Feb 04, 2009 at 11:29 pm ET
Good emphasis but I've seen plenty of video's of Arlovski after the match without a scratch on him.

suicidells on Feb 04, 2009 at 11:27 pm ET
affliction is one of the fassest growing clothing companies that there is. it worth every penny to get the public knowing who they are and buying thier clothes. in the hole as a mma promotion, maybe maybe not. in the hole in whole, i seriously doubt it. its really smart if you think about it.

MMA10K on Feb 05, 2009 at 10:23 am ET
The UFC needs to have competition... Don't hate every other promotion.
The day the UFC no longer has competition from any other promotion... is the day that a single PPV event will cost $200. You can bank on that!
It's called a monopoly. And don't think for a second that Zuffa will not take full advantage of it and proceed to screw us all hard, deep and with no lube.

jnhst3 on Feb 06, 2009 at 3:40 pm ET
It doesn't matter if they lose $10 million each and every fight.  When you are selling t-shirts for $45-75 a pop, you are bringing in some cabbage.  Look around the audience at the next fight and start adding up the clothing sales in your head...

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