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HSBC considers $20bn cash call from investors

By Simon Evans and Margareta Pagano

Sources close to HSBC, Europe’s biggest bank, have refused to rule out tapping its investors for new capital, amid speculation that it is considering a $20bn (£14bn) rights issue.

HSBC chief executive, Michael Geoghegan, is expected to meet with key institutional investors in the Square Mile this week to gauge support for any cash call ahead of the bank’s full year results next Monday. Meanwhile, later this week, Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) will confirm the biggest loss in British corporate history when it reports results on Thursday.

Last month HSBC said in a carefully worded statement that it had “not sought capital support from the UK Government and cannot envisage circumstances where such action would be necessary”. The bank stressed that its key capital ratio measurement remained robust, while it reaffirmed its commitment to lend as much as £15bn in mortgages this year.

Knight Vinke, the activist investor which is expected to renew its assault on HSBC’s management this week, said in January that it was “convinced a substantial rights issue is inevitable and the longer HSBC leaves it, the worse the problem will become”.

One leading HSBC shareholder, commenting on the likelihood of a rights issue, said: “They’ll have to raise the cash – it’s just a case of when. We’d be supportive of a move sooner rather than later. Let’s see what nasties are revealed next week.”

Another investor said: “If HSBC’s management aren’t careful events are going to overtake them. If its American subsidiary is subject to the stress testing that’s being talked about a cash call is simply inevitable.”

Further writedowns in HSBC’s ailing American Household subprime lending unit will be revealed next Monday. As much as $10bn in goodwill alone could be wiped off its value in 2009, one analyst said last week. HSBC shares closed down more than 4 per cent on Friday at 477.25p – a near halving of the price since October last year. An HSBC spokesman declined to comment.

Speculation about a HSBC rights issue comes ahead of RBS’s full-year results which will reveal as much as a £28bn loss in 2008. Chief executive Stephen Hester is expected to detail a retreat from Asia to shrink the £2 trillion balance sheet. RBS, which is nearly 70 per cent owned by UK taxpayers, is also expected to cut more jobs from its 170,000-strong global workforce.

On Friday, Lloyds banking group chief, Eric Daniels, will face further scrutiny from shareholders, angry at the purchase of HBOS, which racked up £10bn in losses last year. Sources suggest there are growing tensions between Mr Daniels and his chairman, Sir Victor Blank, with some institutional investors calling for heads to roll over the botched HBOS deal.

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[info]johnronan wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 03:56 am (UTC)

Stanford and Poor

It's going broke (not the directrs tho) and wants the poor and unemployed to fund the gravy from itheir taxes on consumption
QED Robin Hood in reverse
The share holders and investors are tosavvy to bail out the Ninja notgages
Wheres Madoff when you need a punter?
HSBC
[info]brokeamerican wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 04:12 am (UTC)
HSBC gobbled up the US subprime market like greedy swine, let them choke.
HSBC American Operations
[info]jarhead31 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:08 am (UTC)
HSBC's operation in the US is soon to come under investigation by several federal agencies. Fraud alligations filed with the US Attorney's , violation of Truth in Lending, violation of RESPA is common place and sooner or later another mess like the Household Internation in 2003 is looming around the corner. Over 9000 complaints have been filed against HSBC on everything from credit card issues to many of the sub prime mortgages purchased from many smaller lenders and brokers not complying with consumer protection laws. HSBC operates in what the industry has named and classified as SHADOW BANKING, and the SEC, IRS and the justice department are currently looking at HSBC. Lawsuits from various sources are begening to crop up. Complaints are starting to be reported to the IRS from customers of H&R; Block on the handling of IRS refunds by HSBC, which may lead to another RICO charge or at least reopening of the settlement reached on the last RICO case. Several states attorney generals are also looking to bring action aginst HSBC. A case is on the docket with the Supreme Court in which several states are requesting that they be allowed to go after companies such as HSBC under state consumer protection laws. Connecticut and New York are leading the action.

Those who fail to read and learn from history are bound to repeat it. I feel that based on various articles, complaints and its current business plan, HSBC will soon follow UBS, Fannie May, Fredie Mack, and AGI. Its leadership at present are more intent on reaping large profits at the expense of its customers. US regulatory agencies sooner or later will take some action against HSBC, being forced by the large number of complaints being registered by its customers. Everything I stated above can be verifed by going to various consumer web sites, the National Better Business Beaure, and regulatory agencies. HSBC may soon see the men in the blue jackets with the big yellow letters walking in the door.
Hong Kong Shanghai Bank Corp (HSBC)
[info]azkent wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:15 am (UTC)
HSBC is probably one of the most corrupt financial institutions in the world. Remember the Iraq "Food for Oil" scam? It was Hong Kong Shanghai Bank Corp. (HSBC) that bankrolled it. Here in the US, Household Finance was one of the best known shifty lenders employing some of the worst shady loan tactics every devised...they were bought out and rejuvenated as American Household by none other than HSBC. They, more than any other financial company, deserve to go down in flames...
Lloyds
[info]citizen100 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 10:02 am (UTC)
How can the institutional shareholders be angry about the purchase of Hbos they voted for it in overwhelmingly numbers., whereas any small shareholders I have spoken to voted against but were overwhelmed by the institutional vote.
HSBC current reputation
[info]hongkongfoo wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:37 am (UTC)
Dear Sirs,
I am a Hong Kong resident and former shareholder and am very disappointed at the way HSBC has handled the last few months. To me they have been aware for a long time of the need to raise extra capital and should have come clean about it. Like some of your readers I have seen the negative press and feelings here; yet NOTHING is ever said. Poker is a game for the intelligent, not bankers and generally needs confidence that there is a good hand, not ongoing bluff.The continuing fall in the share price says it all, as does the comment of minority shareholders who provide a useful service to us all and the negativity of the US websites. I am also sure that there will be huge retribution in US, but hope that the world will be ready for the problems that any fall of HSBC to the levels of CITIBANK would bring. In Hong Kong it would be catastrophic. It is also I am afraid a sign of the moral decay of the financial elite and until people like Thain, Madof and their ilk are flushed out of the system there will be no change.There are still good stocks on the Hong Kong market, but HSBC is not one of them. Caveat emptor and as the author of Fooled by Randomness, Nassim Nicholas Taleb points out , banks are a risky investment; they have the chance to have their loans go bad and yet do not have the ability to benefit greatly if they back the right companies. A living example of this is Li Kar Shing, backed by Sandberg of HSBC in his initial takeover activity that founded his empire.Mr Li is cash rich while HSBC is now rumoured to require a huge rights issue.Please be careful and think things through Mr Geoghan and remember it must all come out in due course, however much you feel that it should not. In my opinion earlier honesty would have been more prudent.
Anthony P Fussell MBA
Hong Kong
HSBC credit limits
[info]stigmandave wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 01:55 pm (UTC)
HSBC is manipulating its numbers now. I HAD a credit card thru them with a $6000 credit limit. I received an email from which it said I was over limit 2 days ago. I was expecting fraud when I checked it online, but instead I found that they had lowered my credit limit to $950 with out even telling me or giving me a reason! I HAD been a life long customer and this is what they are doing. I can at least say that I no longer do business with HSBC. I have closed all my assets with them!!
HSBC Business practices
[info]pwmman wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 02:16 pm (UTC)
This banks deserves to go away. My son financed a tV thru them and they never sent him a card, never invoiced him, and finally started emailing him about overdue amounts charging 20% interest. When i got involved they wouldn't return calls, or even take a credit card to bay off the balance. Good riddance
HSBC
[info]derwahrheit wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC)
Die, Vampire! Die!! (Quick, Van Helsing, hand me another stake!)
Just declare "Poop Inc."
[info]jimmyk5 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 03:27 pm (UTC)
Declare "Poop Inc." and end the madness!

Jimmy Kilpatrick
EducationNews.org
Declare "Poop Inc."
[info]jimmyk5 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 03:27 pm (UTC)
Declare "Poop Inc." and end the madness!

Jimmy Kilpatrick
EducationNews.org
HSBC credit
[info]russellcaseman wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 04:30 pm (UTC)
I just canceled my credit card with HSBC because they lowered my credit limit to only $300. I was never over the limit or late on a payment.
[info]journalguy101 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 05:19 pm (UTC)
HSBC lowered my credit limit from $3000 to $300 last week, without any notification. I called them and they just said it was a "business decision" and didn't have anything to do with my payment history. (i pay in full every month)

If you go read on some of the credit message boards like creditforum, apparently HSBC has done this to nearly all their credit card customers, worldwide. No company would do that without being severely desperate. In fact, I expect HSBC to declare bankruptcy very, very soon. Within two weeks at the most.
Spare change we can count on......
[info]geneschumann wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 05:25 pm (UTC)
Now we have Europe's biggest bank subscribing to Obama`s vow to get change, make change or even panhandle change if required. Poor Obama inherited a mess from our idiot George Bush who lacked the intestinal fortitude to resign from office back in November when his party was soundly defeated. We in the US are all waiting to see if we will wake-up to a bank Holiday on Monday after the obvious loss of confidence in Citibank and Bank of America. Hillary (thunder thighs ) is off to Beijing to fly a sign begging the Chinese to continue to be suckers and buy more toilet paper. She is almost as fast as the printing press.... The news media finally confirms we are in a depression that is over one year old , talk about being a little late on a story..... Duh

Geneschumann@aol.com
Credit Company's Have Frogotten
[info]forceof1 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 09:05 pm (UTC)
The credit companys have forgotten where their revenue comes from, in other words which party is the customer. Should HSBC call in the cash so to speak, my account will be closed and therefore depriving them of income. Credit is a luxury , not a right or necessity.

I urge all of you not to be bullied by your creditors, show them who the customer is!
Yeah right
[info]beheerenow wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 11:23 am (UTC)
We have private capital raised around $3.5 Billion USD.
When we have talks with the Executive Bank level Management, they tell us they are not interested in private capital.
It is interesting that the banks cry through the media, but when we show up to offer assistance, they will not even listen to what we have to offer.
HSBC and credit as a whole
[info]jarhead31 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:25 pm (UTC)
What we the consumer should do is a very simple matter. If HSBC has lowered your credit limit on your card and you are a customer in good standing, cut the card in half. Send one half to your congressman or senator, letting them know your concerns and send the other half to HSBC with a note stating to close your account. Filing any complaints with HSBC is a waste of time. HSBC for the most part will either ignore your letters and do nothing or if you telephone HSBC will play the telephone shuffle game, moving from one uncaring employee to the next.

Lets face it, HSBC's track record in this country, after haing purchased Household International, having found guilty of the RICO ACT, has continued to operate with the attitude that the customers mean very little. Customers service is very poor, payments get lost or are posted late, charges its customers to make sure payments on time. So Why would anyone want to do business with this company?

As to a $300.00 credit limit sounds like to Premier Bank game. What can you do with $300.00 in todays world. By time you get done applying interest, the charges, member fees, whar left $50 or $75.00. CUT IT UP and send them packing. Lets give them another TEA PARTY.