carlson_k says:
Ubaldo? Over under on red sox homers tonight?
Dan says:
You baldo! Over/under on Boston homers is 3. Jimenez surrendered 10 in only 80 innings this year. Could this be more batting practice for the Red Sox?
carlson_k says:
i’ll take the over. Does Francona have an early hook if Schilling doesn’t have his good stuff?
Dan says:
Well, Francona doesn’t even have an early hook on his best pitcher when he’s up 12 runs. I do not understand why you need a guy like Kyle Snyder on the roster if he’s not going to be used in a way that you KNOW is going to help you rather than saving him for some 21-inning game. Makes no sense!
admin says:
All right. We’re on!
Dan says:
That’s right, and I have to think that the patient Sox hitters are going to run Ubaldo’s pitch count up pretty quickly. It’s a good game plan, especially given the type of day it is in Beantown. 47 degrees, wind blowing straight in, albeit lightly…
mpags says:
Carlson, schilling is out early because they can use the entire pen and have tomorrow off.
mpags says:
Dan I’m not so sure taking a strike off of Jimenez is a good idea.
Dan says:
I’m not sure either. No way to be SURE sure, but Ubaldo isn’t going to want to get bombed, and I’ll bet he won’t be laying fastballs in there. He’s a rookie, so my guess is that he’ll be shaky.
mpags says:
He’ll be shaky and try to throw as hard as he can. You might see 101 tonight on the gun. No command (location) from this kid.
Dan says:
I’m thinking they chose the wrong pitcher to put in the bullpen to clear a spot for Cook, who frankly shouldn’t be pitching in the first place.
mpags says:
If Jimenez can get strike one on the first pitch - there won’t be many guys getting hits.
Dan says:
Yes, as with every baseball game ever played, first pitch strikes will be important.
Dan says:
You guys listening to this screaming match on the FOX pre-game? Byrnesy is hollering into the microphone. Is his hair frozen? Also, is Jeanne Zelasko wearing an outfit by Disney? She looks like Cruella DeVille.
mpags says:
True but first pitch strike against Byrd compared to Jimenez are two different ball games.
Dan says:
Yes, figuratively different ballgames. Literally, it’s the same game.
It’s not like Jimenez had an insane strikeout rate this year. 60-some in 80-some innings. Good, but not great. A little better than Schilling, but Schilling is a much better control pitcher.
carlson_k says:
Hard throwing pitchers with similar stuff, like verlander, have success against the red sox but ONLY if they don’t walk batters. The margin for error for a guy like Jimenez or Verlander is razor thin
mpags says:
If he’s able to get his breaking stuff over the plate - lots of strike outs.
Dan says:
James Taylor seems like a nice guy. As a musician, however, I don’t get it. Seems like a hack to me. Sorry.
Dan says:
Looks like they put a hobo in a blue suit. What’s left of his hair is flying around like Big Ern McCracken.
Dan says:
Remember everyone, if someone steals a base we all get a free bio-genetically engineered corn taco. That’s like offering a complimentary kick in the nuts.
mpags says:
The difference between first pitch strikes from a guy like Byrd and a guy like Jimenez; Byrd throws first pitch strikes on a good team he wins 15 maybe 20 if he’s lucky. A guy that can throw 100 and throw first pitch strikes (which he can’t consistently) can win 20 easily. Not everybody can hit 98 on the first pitch. Everybody can hit Byrd’s first pitch if the location is off.
I like the Verlander comparison - only this guys isn’t in the same category yet.
I’ll take a taco now.
Dan says:
Pags, no one argues that Ubaldo doesn’t have good stuff. I was just guessing that the Sox will attempt to exploit his inconsistency and lack of experience. If he comes in firing 100mph-with-movement first-pitch strikes, sure, he could be tough!
mpags says:
What are Helton’s numbers off of Schilling?
Dan says:
Not sure. He’s unlikely to have enough at-bats for the numbers to be meaningful…unless they’re really really lopsided, maybe…
mpags says:
Attack Curt Schilling early tonight - Great, nice strategy Tim M. Is he serious?
Dan says:
McCarver is a bigger hack than James Taylor. He’s always coming up with doozies…
Dan says:
Pags, Schilling faced the Rockies on June 13th and got knocked around pretty good. No hits from Helton though..
whipple11 says:
Helton has 59 AB’s against Schilling. Hitting .333, 5HR, 11RBI
Dan says:
That was the old Todd Helton, of course…
Dan says:
Thanks for the #’s Tyson
mpags says:
My daughter asks me tonight, “dad, what are they going to do with Ortiz in Colorado?” How do you not love the World Series.
Dan says:
Good question, little Pags. My guess is they bench Youkilis.
mpags says:
Schilling tips his curve. I’ll try to see if I can on TV. He usually does a slight click with his glove to the right prior to starting his delivery.
mpags says:
He used to tip his split finger with the front of his glove. You can see it from behind the plate.
Dan says:
Pags, they should have signed you to hit in the middle of the order…
whipple11 says:
Dan, do you feel that Ortiz is healthy enough to play first base and still be productive at the plate?
Dan says:
Yes, I think he’ll do fine. You can’t take his bat out of the lineup.
Dan says:
Yes, I think he’ll do fine. You can’t take his bat out of the lineup.
Dan says:
Rockies key to the game: “Want to strike early”
Who doesn’t? Gotta love that analysis.
Dan says:
Hoe does Taveras lay off that 0-2 splitter? Nice…
mpags says:
What are Ortiz’s numbers when he plays firstbase?
jeff says:
So, when is the hand part of the bat? Only when the batter swings?
Dan says:
It’s a judgment call. If the guy is just standing there, he isn’t going to get called for a foul ball.
mpags says:
He might be tipping his split. I know a guy working with the Rox.
mpags says:
I think you’re right Dan.
mpags says:
split next pitch
Dan says:
Taveras should steal. My guess is he waits for 1-2 or 2-2…
mpags says:
Schilling needs to bounce one or go up out of the zone
Dan says:
Smart to go after Matsui though. No power.
mpags says:
Split grip entering the glove…….look for a wiggle for a different type of pitch.
mpags says:
No wiggle = split
Dan says:
Someone has to be at third there.
Dan says:
Here’s Helton, .333 career hitter against Schilling (courtest of Tyson Whipple).
whipple11 says:
The only time Ortiz has had to play first in the postseason was in 04 WS agaisnt the Cards. He had 7 AB’s, 2 hits with one of them being a double. Not alot to go by.
mpags says:
He’s throwing his Cut fastball more often, it means he doesn’t trust his regular fastball……
Dan says:
I don’t know that it means he doesn’t trust his regular fastball. Could just be his game plan.
carlson_k says:
looked like a bad hop for lowell. nice play
Dan says:
Not a good idea to throw to an unmanned base, especially given where Tavares was. Nothing to gain there. Easy for me to say from here, but still…
mpags says:
He doesn’t trust it enought to throw it inside to lefties is what I meant. He’s using his cut FB to make room for his split.
Dan says:
He’s going for a quasi-Mariano Rivera approach then, is that what you mean. Throwing it into the hands of lefties. Seems logical in that ballpark especially…
Dan says:
Slider from dugout to dugout? Heads up, guys!
Dan says:
What are you doing, Pedroia? You need some baserunners! What’s with swinging at the first pitch?
mpags says:
Byrnes: slider from dugout to dugout i think he meant Corpas. If he could hit with his mouth he’d be in the Hall.
whipple11 says:
The only person in the Sox line-up that has an PA against Jimenez is Lugo. Which was a base hit.
Dan says:
“Slider from dugout to dugout” could easily be a euphemism for a baseball annie.
mpags says:
how bad do you think the fastball to Pedroia and Egg-head hurt their hands?
carlson_k says:
i think pags is on to something–the red sox are afraid to see strike one if he’s throwing the fastball to start them off
Dan says:
Well, I still think they need to go ahead and let it happen. He has to be given a chance to beat himself. Just my opinion…
Dan says:
Anyone going to see Fred Claus? No? Me neither.
SCPOSteve says:
It’s Bart Giamatti’s kid. Every baseball fan HAS to see it for that reason alone.
Dan says:
Good point, Kevin. You think they got a break on the advertising rate?
Dan says:
Or rather, good point, Steve…
mpags says:
Why isn’t Schilling’s split hitting the dirt?
Dan says:
Because the weather report said that there was only 80% gravity today.
whipple11 says:
Jason Varitek leads all current Red Sox with 7 postseason HR’s away from Fenway. Manny in 2nd with 6 and Ortiz 3rd with 5. No one has hit a HR at Coors in the postseason.
Dan says:
Hey, splitter in the dirt, Pags!
SCPOSteve says:
Remember when it was impossible to pick the AL All-Star shortstop. How hard’s the NL gonna be now that you’ve got Ramirez, Rollins, Reyes and Tulo?
Dan says:
It’s going to be fun to watch the NL shortstops for the next handful of years. Who moves off of shortstop first? I’ll say Ramirez…
mpags says:
off-speed coming up.
whipple11 says:
Torrealba has the 2nd most AB’s against Schill with 12. He has 6 hits.
Dan says:
41-year old pitcher’s best friend!
mpags says:
Do we have Ortiz’s numbers while playing first base for the past three years Tys? How do you get those numbers?
Dan says:
This is what Tyson said earlier:
The only time Ortiz has had to play first in the postseason was in 04 WS agaisnt the Cards. He had 7 AB’s, 2 hits with one of them being a double. Not alot to go by.
SCPOSteve says:
Tough to put much credence in past performances vs. Schill considering how much he’s changed as a pitcher over the last couple of years.
Dan says:
Yeah, he’s gained 30 pounds since then…
SCPOSteve says:
The only problem I have with this chat things is when I see pags say “off-speed coming up” I want to ask why and pick his brain a little but it’s gonna be the next hitter by the time he answers. Want to stop by the house for game 3?
SCPOSteve says:
I can get those numbers…that’s what I do for the money you pay me…oops, forgot I was working for free
Moment please
whipple11 says:
I find alot of the info on baseball-reference.com It costs some money for situational dependent stats and stuff, but i really enjoy the numbers of it all
Dan says:
I second that, Tyson. Worth the money if you are a baseball geek, which I most assuredly am.
mpags says:
I’ll stop by as long as you have enough ICE.
Dan says:
McCarver assures us that Boston is 20 feet above sea level, so the curveball should work. Can we confirm this, Tyson?
SCPOSteve says:
Ortiz career as a 1b:
837 AB/234 H/40 HR/280 AVG/363 OBP/505 SLG
Stats powered by our friends at baseball-reference.com
mpags says:
Dugout to dugout I guess.
Dan says:
Dugout-to-ankle.
SCPOSteve says:
Why are we humoring Tim?
Dan says:
Hey, we’re not humoring Tim, FOX is. The man is in the booth, and there’s nothing we can do about that except maybe bang out angry letters.
mpags says:
His outpitch to Lefties is a changeup or a curve….not a slider. What’s he doing?
carlson_k says:
fox will have a close up of drew’s bloody sock any minute now…
whipple11 says:
Yea Im from the area its closer to 25ft,
SCPOSteve says:
Speaking of watching a game together. A couple of the guys and I are batting around the idea of getting the “scouts” and the “geeks” together for a round-table either over a couple beers or, even better, at spring training. Thoughts.
Dan says:
You guys are on the East Coast, right?
SCPOSteve says:
I’m in Baltimore.
Dan says:
Is that you, Caimano?
SCPOSteve says:
Yes.
Dan says:
Transplanted Missourian?
mpags says:
Batting practice coffee in Jupiter or Fort Myers always works.
Dan says:
My high school team used to have spring training in Fort Myers. That’s right, high school!
SCPOSteve says:
Grew up there, moved to upstate NY as a high schooler then joined the Navy.
mpags says:
Off speed coming up
carlson_k says:
Spillborghs looked totally lost up there.
Dan says:
Perfect fastball to Spilborghs there. Brilliant.
carlson_k says:
Has he thrown a ball to Taveras yet?
Dan says:
Yeah, off his hand.
carlson_k says:
oh yeah, he hit him
SCPOSteve says:
You know, everybody talks about what the AL team loses by having to sit their DH in the NL park, but the AL team gets a huge advantage from having a full-time DH in the AL park vs. a glorified pinch hitter like Spillborghs.
Dan says:
Oh, absolutely, Steve. It’s more or less a wash, I would say.
mpags says:
Agreed, but maybe Colorado should have a better #9 hitter than Spilborghs. It exposes one of their weaknesses - their bench.
whipple11 says:
Thats why the All Star game plays such an important role in this series. It means the Sox has 4 4 games to use their DH, instead of having to figure out their line-ups at Coors for an additional game.
Dan says:
“I guess that’s why they call meee….Big Papi”.
carlson_k says:
Jimenez has only used 19 pitches, 13 for strikes, through 2 innings
Dan says:
I guess I was wrong about that. Although it does seem that Boston is chasing early, grounding out and all that…
Dan says:
And I’d like to give props to Ubaldo’s classic stirrups.
carlson_k says:
He really does remind me of Verlander
Dan says:
Not as wild as Verlander, but I can see what you’re saying. And I think his fastball has more movement.
mpags says:
He’ll be wild - just give him a few innings.
Dan says:
The ground outs are a good sign, though he’s only struck out one.
Dan says:
Did you see him throw an 86mph straight change to Lugo?
Dan says:
That’s the Pedroia I know. 3-0 count…
whipple11 says:
Jimenez has never pitched more than 7 innnings in his pro career
Dan says:
You mean in his major league career, or his pro career?
whipple11 says:
major league
SCPOSteve says:
3 complete games in the minors
Dan says:
Who is the home plate umpire again? He’s expanding the zone a little.
Dan says:
To be fair to Jimenez, Youkilis’s head is a sizable target.
Dan says:
Good bat from the Greek God of Walks.
mpags says:
Wasn’t Youkilis Egghead in Batman.
SCPOSteve says:
yeah, i commented on that in my ALCS game diary when he got hit by the throw. Man’s got a large melon.
Dan says:
That’s got to need a custom hat, right? I’m thinking 8 3/4?
mpags says:
8 7/8 with Hair
SCPOSteve says:
In fact, if Youkilis ever gets hit in the head the pitcher should argue the gravitational pull of his head constitutes a failure to avoid the pitch.
Dan says:
Gotta love the shout out to Newtonian physics, Steve.
mpags says:
There go his mechanics. Apodaca get out there now.
mpags says:
Don’t throw Ortiz down!
mpags says:
Alright, one more time DON’T THROW ORTIZ DOWN
Dan says:
Youkilis wears a size 9 Yarmulke.
carlson_k says:
oy.
mpags says:
His space helmet would be a great green house.
Dan says:
I’m calling it. Here’s where Holliday clobbers one.
mpags says:
What Tim means to say is Holliday has a short start to his swing.
Dan says:
Okay, don’t know if that qualifies as a “clobber”…
mpags says:
Pedroia doesn’t have a long stroke. This would be a false statement.
Dan says:
Actually, I do think Pedroia has a relatively long swing.
mpags says:
You can’t possibly his the high pitch like Pedroia does with a long stroke TIM.
Dan says:
He steps in the bucket. I’m not sure why no one curves him. I would guess it’s because he’s small, and the default approach to small guys is fastballs up and/or in. I believe this is a mistake.
mpags says:
Now Hawpe has a long swing.
Dan says:
Agreed, Pags.
admin says:
Pags,
I just got online. I can’t seem to find the Yankees game. What channel is that on?
All I can find are these Rockies and Red Sox guys.
whipple11 says:
Is the pitching that good tonight? Or the hitting that bad? Im not actually watching the game, but watching the pages refresh on yahoo
SCPOSteve says:
See, this is what I’m looking for from the site. A video report with Pags showing us Holliday and Pedroia’s swings and pointing out why Tim is wrong about the long/short swing thing. What he said makes sense to my untrained eye, but I’d love to learn why I’m wrong.
Dan says:
Pedroia looks to me like a guy who starts early and steps in the bucket.
mpags says:
The Yankees are playing somewhere - you know that.
SCPOSteve says:
I’m sure the YES network is showing highlights from the 1999 series.
admin says:
Oh - I found the Yankees game. ESPN Classic.
Dan says:
Tyson, you have a television?
Dan says:
Where are you Tyson, Iraq, for chrissakes!?
whipple11 says:
Haha yea Dan. Im not exactly in the States right now.
mpags says:
Hurdle is a good guy!
Dan says:
I’ll reserve judgment on that. He’s probably a little bit nuts with the bible-thumping…
mpags says:
Pedroia similar (careful now) to Clemente steps in the bucket. But they both maintain their top half over the strike zone enabling them to reach the outside pitch.
Dan says:
Different type hitters, but I can see what you’re saying…
carlson_k says:
Pedroia’s swing at times reminds me of Brandon Inge
carlson_k says:
it’s the sock!
Dan says:
What an arm!
whipple11 says:
yea sure am Dan. Living the American Dream. Haha
mpags says:
Inge has a longer swing but much more power.
Dan says:
Gotta love the internet, Tyson!
Dan says:
Inge has a similar swing, except for about 400% more misses.
mpags says:
If he doesn’t get Ellsbury, he needs a visit from the pitching coach.
Dan says:
The bullpen is doing the tomahawk chop with Ellsbury at the plate!
Dan says:
He’ll get a visit…
mpags says:
Jimenez falling off to the first base side too soon. He’s coming out of his delivery.
mpags says:
This means he’s not square to homeplate long enough and will leave too many pitches up in the zone.
mpags says:
Jimenez needs to keep his front shoulder pointed to home longer to allow his arm to catch up and get full extension. He’s losing his release point right now.
whipple11 says:
If Crisp was still in the line-up. Inning would be over right now.
SCPOSteve says:
This is what I was talking about in my announcer article. Why can’t they show a replay of Jimenez delivery and have the analyst say what Pags just said? Wouldn’t that be, like, analysis.
mpags says:
No mechanics instruction from the pitching coach.
Dan says:
Yes, yes it would, but with all due respect to Pags, this is far from an exact science.
mpags says:
You can tell by the way he finishes his delivery - when he’s looking at the plate he’s balanced, when he falls off the ball goes everywhere.
Dan says:
FREE TACO!!!
mpags says:
Its not science - its pitching.
Dan says:
Even with 1st base open, Lugo getting here there constitutes taking one for the team. It brings up a better hitter!
SCPOSteve says:
Noticed that too, but my question is how unusual it is? I’m thinking about my golf swing. If I concentrate too much on one piece of my mechanics other things get out of whack. If I just relax and let it flow I’m better.
Dan says:
Send us some video, Steve!
admin says:
Mike,
ESPN is reporting that Girardi is being considered for the Dodgers managerial job - even though Grady Little is under contract.
How does this affect the Yankees job search? Could this just be posturing by Girardi’s camp to get the Yankees job?
Dan says:
Do we really have to talk about the Yankees managerial opening during a World Series game between two entirely different teams?
SCPOSteve says:
No, no thanks. Tough to get my question to sync up with Pags’ comment, but maybe Jimenez (and other pitchers perhaps) doesn’t react well to in-game mechanics advice, was my point.
mpags says:
This is the pitching coach’s job to understand it. It is for the coach to know then translate some or all of it depending on the pitcher.
Dan says:
Once you’re in the game, I can’t imagine that a whole lot of mechanical tweaking will be feasible. Pags will disagree, I’m sure.
SCPOSteve says:
Hell, for the first few days I was on here I was pretty sure this was a Yankees sponsored site!
mpags says:
Got a call from NYC tonight. Sounds like they’re leaning towards 23.
Dan says:
That is the last Yankees managerial comment I’ll approve. It doesn’t matter who the Yankees manager is.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
No one kills a rally like Lugo…except for Inge.
mpags says:
Steve, your right. Many pitchers don’t respond to in-game instruction. Similar to golf, Don’t you hate those guys on the golf course saying stuff about your swing. I want to hit them with the club.
Dan says:
The bunt by Torrealba is a waste of an out. The Rockies are using one-run strategies already.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
So which team does God endorse tonight? Schilling has to have some pull with the big man.
Dan says:
Yeah, but Colorado might as well be called the Colorado Springs Rockies. THat’s His country.
SCPOSteve says:
I was in a conversation tonight about the one-run strategies difference between the leagues. Anybody wanna guess how many more sac bunts there were in the NL this year?
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Bunting against a team that can score 1032 runs per game is dumb. The Rockies must play for the big inning if they are to have any chance.
Dan says:
Can you believe how many drug commercials there are? It’s a flaccid man’s dream. They’re advertising relief for every condition from erectile dysfunction to alopecia. Only in America!
mpags says:
Lots of wives and girlfriends must have complained.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Wait till the Brits get a taste of American Football this weekend!
admin says:
Have there been any YAZ drug commercials yet?
Dan says:
What’s that? Yaz?
whipple11 says:
Steve, no idea. What do u got?
Dan says:
You’re referring to the sac bunts? Not sure either. 100% more?
admin says:
In the article Bob L. wrote for us, he mentioned that all the erecticle commercials demonstrate that baseball’s audience is getting older. That was a good point.
Dan says:
Or getting limper, one or the other.
SCPOSteve says:
More than twice as many. 1045 to 495 NL.
SCPOSteve says:
If the White Sox moved to the NL it would probably be 3x as many.
Dan says:
And they’re going to increase their bunting! http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-071023sox,1,5492658.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines
admin says:
Obviously the brand manager for Yaz was a yankees fan, having fun at the Red Sox expense.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Ok, they are showing a split screen of Youkalis and Helton…are they comparing Goatees?
Dan says:
Youkilis could be on the House of David team.
SCPOSteve says:
Yeah, Ozzie has officially lost his mind. I can’t wait to see Konerko and Thome bunting and hitting behind the runner so they can be driven in by, who exactly?
Dan says:
Ozzie lost what was left of his mind. He’ll now have to squeeze runs across with nothing more than dead ball strategies and the driving force of his homophobia.
mpags says:
Watch out here.
mpags says:
Don’t throw it.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Its time for Manny to start being Manny and put one into THAT good night!
mpags says:
Changeup 1-1 to Manny wow.
SCPOSteve says:
DAMMIT TIM! Manny Ramirez lifetime batting average with an 0-2 count is .178. He’s been hot in a span of 10 at bats. For crying out loud somebody save this man from himself.
Dan says:
Yeah Steve, I’m pretty tired of this Manny Ramirez 0-2 mythology.
admin says:
Ryan Braun would have had that one.
Dan says:
And he would have thrown it through Milwaukee’s retractable roof.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Lowell would look good in a tiger uniform.
Dan says:
As a Tigers fan, I agree. A-Rod would look better.
Dan says:
Going to have to have at least a long single from Lowell to score Papi…
whipple11 says:
But even with the numbers being as bad as they are, what other right handed batter in the last 10 years would you want besides Manny?
Dan says:
Polanco.
Dan says:
You mean 0-2? Polanco. Otherwise, Manny.
admin says:
Mike,
Don’t you have to catch a flight in 9 hours?
SCPOSteve says:
The worst part is that they showed the stat during the ALCS that hitters hit .180 in that situation this year to “make” their point. It took about 5 seconds for me to find Manny’s stats. There’s a guy in the booth who’s only job is to feed them stats. What am I missing?
Dan says:
Steve, it’s a general disregard for logic, dare I say. I don’t want to get too overblown here, but the fact is that no one even understands what constitutes evidence or statistical significance. They’ve been watching faulty analysis for so many years that they don’t have the slightest idea what makes sense and why. Seems like it should be easy to get someone in the booth, but what’s the point? How many people know the difference.
Sorry for being on a high horse here, but it drives me nuts every day of my life.
mpags says:
Just throw it over Ubaldo, don’t worry about it. Challenge them. How’s that instruction now?
admin says:
Can Manny run faster without his helmet?
Dan says:
He can run less slow without his helmet.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Manny has that Dmitri Young helmet flip down.
SCPOSteve says:
With the 10 year time limit I guess I can’t go with Pujols, so Manny wins.
whipple11 says:
Steve i think alot of avg fans dont want to hear about stats that they dont understand and players they dont know.
mpags says:
got a 6am to Denver. but I enjoy the game interaction. I’m done at the end of the inning, I’ve got to pack.
mpags says:
Steve you could add more insight I’m sure.
mpags says:
Now if Tim can only talk about catching - he’d be better.
admin says:
Without his helmet, Manny looks like The Predator
mpags says:
They both use Youkilis helmets they can’t help it.
whipple11 says:
Manny’s speed doesent change for any circumstance. He could be running out of a burning house or walking down isle 6 of the local grocerey store. he has one gear, Manny.
mpags says:
3-1 curve - only in the world series.
Dan says:
No reason to throw a curve there. With a base open Drew isn’t swinging unless he gets an absolute meat ball.
admin says:
Mike,
Are you going to send me the presentation?
SCPOSteve says:
Pags, you mean on Manny’s speed sans helmet?
admin says:
Good work, Affeldt
mpags says:
Good move. Affeldt is scared.
SCPOSteve says:
We really need to kill the avatars on these chats. Even with them hidden I’m still downloading all 100 and something of them every time somebody posts and it’s killing me.
Dan says:
Did that do it, Steve?
mpags says:
I was referring to my verbal presentation.
admin says:
My wife asks me why its okay for guys to patch each other on the ass on the mound, but no where else. I can’t answer this one. Any help?
Dan says:
I say it’s okay anywhere. Why not?
SCPOSteve says:
Nope.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
And here comes the micro-managing.
mpags says:
Did you see the new Japan stuff. What do you think?
Dan says:
Haven’t had a look at the free agent list, Pags.
admin says:
You can stop Avatars on your page by clicking the “Hide Avatars” button at the bottom of the current messages block.
mpags says:
Baseball is a friendly game. Guys get lonely at times!
Dan says:
Steve was in the Navy, so he might know. This true, Steve?
SCPOSteve says:
Did that admin, but it still downloads them all. I just can’t see them. What might I know since I’m in the Navy? Tough to follow the convo because I have to keep closing/reopening the chat.
Dan says:
Just a joke there, Steve. Sorry!
whipple11 says:
Ouch, Steve. Ouch.
admin says:
Pags and I were at the World Series party, and he was smacking everyone in the ass. Wendi Nix, Larry lucchino, Bob Tewksbury, the woman dispensing chowder, etc.
Dan says:
Tewksbury was famous for his arse. That’s all he was famous for.
SCPOSteve says:
If it’s ass-smacking your talking about, let’s just say the rules of male-on-male decorum are a bit different on a submarine
SCPOSteve says:
Hey, Tewks gave my Cardinals some pretty good years.
Dan says:
Great control pitcher, Tewks. I went to his alma mater for a year. St. Leo College…
whipple11 says:
How many innings does Schill go for 2nite?
SCPOSteve says:
Ok, here we go. What’s the Boston bullpen plan? Get Schilling far enough to limit it to Okajima and Papelbon? Timlin, maybe? Gagne only if you absolutely, positively have no other choice?
Dan says:
Yeah, I’d say you go right to Okajima and Papelbon. Each could go a couple of innings. No reason to mess around with Gagne tonight.
Dan says:
Shameless Taco Bell shill by Clayton there. How much do you think he was paid for that?
mpags says:
Jack Gillis former St. Leo coach and now Rockies scout.
Dan says:
Only went there for one semester. They had too many good 2B for me to get any PT.
Dan says:
Look at that creepy executive from Taco Bell! I can’t believe baseball is bowing to Big Taco!
admin says:
Steve,
Selecting “Hide Avatars” hid them all for me. Does this work for anyone else?
Admin (Adam)
admin says:
It would have been better if Ortiz had to steal the base.
SCPOSteve says:
How can you afford that?
Well, because a taco costs us approximately half a penny to produce and Americans are fat so they’ll order 10 more at cost!
Dan says:
I happen to be eating a real burrito right now, bought from one of our fine San Francisco area taquerias. I can tell you first hand, right now, that Taco Bell sucks.
admin says:
Well, said, Steve.
mpags says:
thanks for the chat, dogs gotta go out, the kids to bed, flight in a few hours.
Dan says:
Later, Pags.
mpags says:
Last inning for Schilling - got to be his last.
admin says:
Eat at Taco Bell and get yellow teeth, just like their VP.
SCPOSteve says:
Adam,
It hides them but watch the bottom left of your Internet Explorer. It counts down as it’s downloading all of the avatars even though you can’t see them.
whipple11 says:
Schilling has only once not gone 6 innings in his postseason career. that was Game 2 Vs the Tribe this year. 4.2
SCPOSteve says:
I could be eating my shoe and STILL tell you Taco Bell sucks….but I could go for a real burrito.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
I went to St. Leo as well. Remember the Athletic Trainer J.R. Titsworth?
SCPOSteve says:
Later Pags, good to chat with you.
admin says:
Good luck, tomorrow, Mike. Do the same thing as yesterday. Just use the leverage we’re getting.
admin says:
Steve,
I’m not seeing that. Where is it?
Dan says:
I wouldn’t have let Schilling pitch to Helton. Day off tomorrow, fully rested pen. If Schilling needs to come out now, why let him face the go ahead run in the form of Helton?
SCPOSteve says:
At the bottom left of my IE window. Every time the chat refreshes.
(xx items remaining) Downloading picture http://….
Number counts down from total number of posts in the chat. Needless to say, it’s getting big.
Dan says:
More drug commercials.
SCPOSteve says:
In other sports news. VT up 10-0 with 5 mins left.
admin says:
Steve,
We’ll look into it. Thanks for the heads-up.
SCPOSteve says:
Why the reverse platoon advantage against Okajima?
Dan says:
Don’t know if that’s his career tendency. I doubt it. Sample size, probably. This can happen when you only give up 50 hits in an entire season.
whipple11 says:
I agree with you Dan. If its time, its time. Also Schilling lasted only 3IP vs the Yanks Game 1 04 ALCS. So that makes 2 times he hasnt lasted 6 innings in the playoffs
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Troy Aiken does not strike me as a Boston Fan. That was odd.
Dan says:
Born in California. LIke a lot of people, he’s probably been a Sox fan since 2004.
SCPOSteve says:
Yeah, it’s a small sample. Only 89 LH AB and 159 RH AB, but was wondering if anybody (like the analyst) might conjecture as to a pitch he throws or a delivery characteristic that might explain it.
admin says:
No way Aikman is a Red Sox fan. that was just to give fox a reason for showing him.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Okajima has the Shinto pitch working…”all over Japan tonight, Pitchers are practicing Shintos.”
SCPOSteve says:
EXACTLY.
SCPOSteve says:
Anybody know how many tickets Fox steals, I mean “receives”, from MLB to put product placement bodies in the seats?
SCPOSteve says:
Back to baseball, I’m going to assume Hurdle uses his “A” bullpen guys since they haven’t pitched since approximately spring training, right?
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
wait until they show Dane Cook in his Boston hat. I will throw up in my recycle bin if I have to see him again.
Dan says:
Stolen base is in order here. One run lead, bottom of 6th, the extra run adds a lot of win probability. I’d do that instead of bunt.
admin says:
more tacos?!
SCPOSteve says:
Meaning, we’ve gotta see Fuentes and Corpas tonight even if they’re behind.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
So which biblical character will hurdle call from the pen?
Dan says:
Hey, Herges played it conservative…just like the rest of the team!
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
why bunt there?
whipple11 says:
Being from the Boston area, I can honestly say that we are not fans of people who refer to themselves as part of the Red Sox “Nation”. Dead giveaway they are bandwagon fans
admin says:
Evidently fans are idiots! Sit Ortiz?
admin says:
Tim wants to sit Ortiz?
Dan says:
It’s because they are overrating the need for good defense at first base. You absolutely cannot take Ortiz out of the lineup.
SCPOSteve says:
Well, normally I’d agree but it’s Lugo. I don’t think having Lugo bunt really counts as a sacrifice considering how many runs he eats anyway.
Dan says:
Lugo is bad, but he’s not that bad. If you’re going to bunt you might as well steal before that. The bunt to move a runner to third there is a way better play. Not smart, even with Lugo.
whipple11 says:
Because Lugo either strikes out or grounds into double plays. Either of the 2 dont advance the runner. I hate the bunt too, but the alternative isnt much better with Lugo at bat
Dan says:
I disagree. Steal Ellsbury, and THEN bunt. Bunting to move him to second is a waste of an out. If you think Lugo is too much of a double play risk, send Ellsbury first!
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
Its that same overrating of defense at first that keeps Sean Casey’s career alive.
Jim Wailwander Knows Best says:
The only question is can Ortiz’s knee handle playing first? he has been hobbled.
SCPOSteve says:
I’ll buy that Dan.
As an aside, while Youkilis may be hot and therefore hitting as well as Ortiz over the last 10 games, there is no way his defense makes up for the difference between the two as hitters.
Dan says:
Agreed, Steve. That part is a no-brainer. There could be things we don’t know. Ortiz might be grimacing through a lot of pain, and it might be just completely impractical to play him in the field I don’t know. Does anyone know if he’s been working out at 1B lately?
whipple11 says:
Touche’ Dan. I just get sick in my stomach anytime that Lugo or Crisp is at bat.
Dan says:
I can certainly understand that. Remember that he is something like a .280 career hitter. He’s had some painful at bats, but he isn’t Craig Monroe either.
whipple11 says:
Ortiz has been in pain the last month. With two cortizone shots to relieve the pain, you can tell that his normal “crouch” at the plate isnt the same. Im not sure he can last playing first place, with a bum knee. But this is the Series right? All or nothing
Dan says:
Sure, and he’s supposed to go right to operating table after the season ends.
SCPOSteve says:
Yeah, I was just being hyperbolic on Lugo. BTW. BC scores TD, recovers on-side kick, inside the 20 with 45 secs left.
Dan says:
Throw some more cortizone in that knee and get him out there. It’s the World Series!
Dan says:
Or not.
SCPOSteve says:
Here comes the “C” word. Place your bets. Clips out of commercial of Ortiz being clutch?
Dan says:
I’ll second that call, Steve…
SCPOSteve says:
I bet he’s so clutch he doesn’t need any of those erectile dysfunction pills.
Dan says:
He gives good clutch.
Dan says:
Is this now the gayest chat ever?
SCPOSteve says:
Getting there in a hurry
Dan says:
That was so un-clutch.
whipple11 says:
Dan I just caought HEP B from this chat room
admin says:
We’ve got clutch!
Dan says:
Actually, let me rephrase that, since I’m sure this isn’t the gayest chat ever. This is the gayest BASEBALL chat ever.
Dan says:
Question for the commercial break: What is your favorite Judy Garland picture?
admin says:
Maria is hot.
admin says:
Tyson’s article on Helton has been posted. Thanks, Tyson.
SCPOSteve says:
Ok guys, had fun but I’ve got an early wake up call in the morning. Hope we do this again soon.
Dan says:
What the hell is going on here? Who walks away from a 1-run World Series game?
admin says:
Good night, everyone. Thanks to Dan for moderating. This has gone really well. How about we do this again on Friday? I’ll promote it more so we can get more people.
Dan says:
Where is everyone going? Am I like an hour behind or something?
Dan says:
Okay, but it’s time to curtail those anyway. Let’s stick to baseball.
Any Judy Garland movies. What!
SCPOSteve says:
Not walking away from the game. Just the need to have a laptop active and sitting on top of me. Plus I’m running out of witty gay themed remarks
SCPOSteve says:
Later. I’ll be back Saturday if there’s a chat.
Dan says:
Okajima is just filthy.
Dan says:
Time for the jingoism display.
whipple11 says:
I concure on Okajima. Great pick up
Dan says:
How come the Tigers can’t find guys like that. He wasn’t even signed for that much! The Tigers got Masao Kida.
admin says:
Boyz II Fat Guy
Dan says:
Bel Biv Devoe tomorrow…
Dan says:
Singing God Bless America here is an unfair advantage to the Rockies.
Dan says:
Thank god, no wardrobe malfunction.
Dan says:
Tim McCarver saying that Francona is facing a tough decision - whether or not to replace Ramirez in the field after this inning. Really? There’s no way you replace Ramirez in a one run ballgame. Am I right?
Dan says:
Absurd pre-recorded package on Papelbon here. This stuff is getting out of control. Totally insufferable.
whipple11 says:
Dan, I agree. He has a game changing bat. Cant let Ramirez leave the game
whipple11 says:
The ability to change a game with one swing of the bat is how the Sox make a living at Fenway. Manny is a big part of that.
Dan says:
It would be brutal to have Crisp come up in the 10th inning, hitting from the cleanup spot. As usual, McCarver is spouting nonsense. They really can’t find anyone better than this moron?
Dan says:
Absolutely. Day off tomorrow, and it’s the big stage. No question.
whipple11 says:
Dan if Okajima struggles to get out of the inning are you bringing in Papelbon for a 5/6 out save?
morris says:
alright everyone, i just got here. what’d i miss?
morris says:
i’m on a black and white tv, so can someone tell me: are the rockies wearing their purple uniforms or their greys?
Dan says:
Hilarious!
morris says:
it used to be back in the day relievers could pitch five or six, even seven innings. this pitchcount nonsense is exactly that–nonsense!
Dan says:
Those were the halcyon days, Morris. I remember when Sandy Koufax would start both ends of a doubleheader and also save both games.
Macleod says:
Here’s Papelboner to close the door. Booyah!
whipple11 says:
Morris, I have no TV and thats better than having a black and white one! JK
morris says:
i think they just showed okajima’s dad in the crowd.
morris says:
man! what a gritty play! pedroia sure knows how to play the game right.
morris says:
Not on Yom Kippur, though. I’m looking at you Sean Green!
Macleod says:
Holliday looked like a beach whale flailing for the bag. That’s pitiful.
Dan says:
How does Holliday get picked off there? He might have good christian values, but he’s dumb as a bag of hammers.
morris says:
Sorry Whipple. That sucks. Well, i can tell you there’s a pretty healthy crowd. and whatever they’re saying on the radio is true–holiday looked like a potted plant out there.
Dan says:
I’m having trouble processing how Holliday could have been picked off just now. Maybe he forgot how many outs there were. And what inning it was. And the score. And the fact that it’s the World Series. And that he’s currently part of a team trying to play a game of base-ball.
morris says:
Man, Holiday looked like a Scotsman with a sexy sheep to the right of him and a bottle of free booze to the left. He didn’t know what to do. So he just froze.
whipple11 says:
How good is Papelbon in innning and game ending situations? back to back 35 saves seasons is solid. But it doesent do him justice when you need a strikeout to end an inning. Can he become one of the best ever at closing games?
Dan says:
He’s great at picking off halfwits.
morris says:
Jacoby looks like Hilary Swank in Boys Don’t Cry.
morris says:
When she’s a boy, of course.
Dan says:
Lugo does it again! Now he’s booting grounder while at bat.
morris says:
Manny Corpas doesn’t look gritty enough to get Dusty out. Dusty really knows how to play the game the right way. He’s all hustle.
Dan says:
Yeah, Pedroia’s a lunch pail kind of guy.
Dan says:
Hey, while we’re in commercial, let me ask you guys. Are you familiar with any options for erectile dysfunction, heart trouble, and alopecia? Thanks!
morris says:
wow, wanda sykes career is in the toilet.
Dan says:
Oh, it’s not so bad. Had you told her before that she would be playing an apple at age 40, she might have pictured herself handing out flyers in front of a restaurant chain.
morris says:
So is Manny Corpas’s.
morris says:
man they are going to crucify Holliday when he gets back to Denver.
Dan says:
Yeah, it’s been nigh on 2000 years since they’ve had the privilege.
morris says:
i want to see that guy’s number 2.
Dan says:
It’s breathtaking.
morris says:
Of course, it’ll only be three pitches before Ortiz puts on the champagne goggles.
Dan says:
I’ve known a couple of Red Sox groupies, and I can assure you that Ortiz almost always has on his champagne goggles.
Dan says:
It’s because of the avatars. I have no idea what the deal is with those.
morris says:
I can find the monster with the right stroke… and a fistful of cialis.
morris says:
this site is slower than a retarded turtle.
Dan says:
Before the Helton strikeout, Boston win expectancy was 87%, not facotring in Papelbon…
Dan says:
92% after Helton
morris says:
Is anyone still on this chat. Or is just me and this “Dan” moron?
I just scrolled back to the beginning of the chat. Some pretty smart prognosticating there.
Dan says:
Just you and I, shitbird.
morris says:
Yeah, Helton really bit the big Choate there tonight.
whipple11 says:
One out away.
morris says:
Seeing the difference between the national and american leagues makes me realize that there really is two americas…
Dan says:
97%…
Dan says:
Win expectancy has not hit 100%.
Thanks for stopping by, Tyson!
Dan says:
Did you see Papelbon just get his pound shaken, Morris?
whipple11 says:
Thanks for having me. Take it easy guys. Have a good one!!
Macleod says:
Peace out, Dan. Hope to see you in D to the C this weekend.
morris says:
This guy is a geniuos.
morris says:
We just did what we had to do.
morris says:
we just take it one day at a time.