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Old 01-08-2009, 03:20 AM   #1
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5000 year old WILD technique. Very easy, and very effective.

I recently got into meditation, and discovered that you could use it to WILD! I thought I might share it with you guys, because this technique is the easiest one and most effective one I have encountered. The meditation technique I use to WILD is the following:

I close my eyes, and place my attention only on the center of my forehead (between my eyebrows) and on my breath. That's it.

Why does it work? Because that is where the pineal gland, the third eye, the minds eye is located. By imagining sensations at that location, you directly stimulate it. The pineal gland is the gland that secretes melatonin, which is one of the hormones responsible for dreaming. You can increase stimulation the better you can concentrate on it and the better you can induce sensations or vibrations in that area. The better your imagination, the more focussed your mind, and the less you keep talking to yourself inside your head all the time, the better this technique works. The longer you use this technique, the faster you will get into a WILD. It's like a magic button you need to push to get into dreamland.

This is a 5000 year old tantra technique, as the story goes, one of the 112 meditations given by Shiva to his consort Parvati. Still works like a charm, and it's the easiest WILD technique out there IMO. This one directly induces dreaming by stimulating the gland that secretes the dreaming hormones. I also already managed to go into dreaming during meditation without laying down, all I need to do is close my eyes and concentrate for a while. The litteral translation of the tantra technique is the following:
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"With intangible breath in center of forehead, as this reaches heart at the moment of sleep, have direction over dreams and over death itself."
Hope this helps!
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:39 AM   #2
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Yes I have read things like this and I find it very interesting.
But what do you do to stimulate the spot?
Do you just visualise looking at it from a 3rd person view or something?
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Yes, you can use whatever works for you. Like you can start of looking in a mirror and staring at that spot to locate it and get you started, that helped for me. Or you can place your finger there, to get a feel. Your imagination is all it needs tho, imagining a sensation there is what does the stimulation. It took me some time before I started feeling stuff there, but when I did, it felt great, like some kind of warm sensations, a pressure in the forehead. I visualize a bright white light in that spot, after a while that light turns into dreams or you can turn it back into a white light to continue the meditation.

Im guessing it's similar to stimulating the saliva glands by imagining yummy food in your mouth. Thats a more direct example of forcing a gland to secrete.
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ChaybaChayba, that is exactly the meditation technique I use for WILD's! The Brow or Third Eye Chakra is energetically linked to the pineal gland as you know and the pineal gland is also responsible for producing natural DMT - the spirit molecule as well as melatonin, basically DMT is responsible for catalysing the separation of the mind from the body, be it for out of body experiences, when taking psychadelics (that contain DMT) and even at death or near death experiences. I wouldn't rule out it being released in very small amounts when dreaming too.

I also run an energy circuit between the Hara or Dan Tien (energy storage centre I think between the 1st and 2nd Chakras) and up to the Crown Chakra which results in my tounge going numb with vibrations like a car battery is stuck to it LOL (you should have it resting lightly on the roof of your mouth to help close the circuit) I also create an energetic bridge between the crown chakra and the brow. I also run energy through my hands and feet as they have minor energy exchange chakras located there.

After this my entire body is numb with energetic vibrations and I feel the energy body generating as the etheric arms and etheric body start moving independently from the physcial. This is where SP sets in I think, but I think my consciousness is more integrated with the energy body than the physical body at this point to feel typical SP symptoms. Then I just shake myself loose by rolling out of the body, or gyrating or floating upwards, or imagining climbing a rope with my arms etc etc. Then you have a WILD or OBE! I've only achieved this a handful of times though. Working on it more regularly after joining this forum! Its been great for motivation!

I've also entered dreams through meditation but more often than not (since I can't achieve a full lotus posture) my head drops forward and I wake myself up just as I'm immersing into the hypnogogic imagery... I think its better to maintain yourself in the altered state at the threshold of theta and sleep... at the threshold of the veil.
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:07 AM   #5
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Im guessing it's similar to stimulating the saliva glands by imagining yummy food in your mouth. Thats a more direct example of forcing a gland to secrete.
Yes thats a brilliant analogy. "Where attention goes energy flows" Visualising a point of white light which is expanding or swirling at a point about 1 cm above the brow between your eyes will eventually have you experiencing the sensations. As Chayba Chaybe said, you will feel pressure, warmth, tingling, pulsating, one or all of the above but if you stick at it you will notice it. And you will also notice the improvements in your dream recall, LD induction and you may even get some minds eye visions. Its cool stuff indeed
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Very interesting reply Ajna, you seem to know a lot about this subject.. each post you write learns me something new
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Very interesting reply Ajna, you seem to know a lot about this subject.. each post you write learns me something new
Yes, very cool.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:24 AM   #8
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I recently got into meditation, and discovered that you could use it to WILD! I thought I might share it with you guys, because this technique is the easiest one and most effective one I have encountered. The meditation technique I use to WILD is the following:

I close my eyes, and place my attention only on the center of my forehead (between my eyebrows) and on my breath. That's it.

Why does it work? Because that is where the pineal gland, the third eye, the minds eye is located. By imagining sensations at that location, you directly stimulate it. The pineal gland is the gland that secretes melatonin, which is one of the hormones responsible for dreaming.
Melatonin taken before bed puts you into a deep non rem sleep. Dream vividness comes from rem rebound in the morning.

Not sure how melatonin can help a WILD attempt.
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Dreams only occuring in rem-state is nothing but an urban legend.
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I recently got into meditation, and discovered that you could use it to WILD! I thought I might share it with you guys, because this technique is the easiest one and most effective one I have encountered. The meditation technique I use to WILD is the following:

I close my eyes, and place my attention only on the center of my forehead (between my eyebrows) and on my breath. That's it.

Why does it work? Because that is where the pineal gland, the third eye, the minds eye is located.
Technically your pineal gland is located in the center of your head or around that area, not in your forehead

Whenever i managed to Lucid dream after wake back to bed. I try to look into the center of my mind. Then lucid dreams start to appear.

So yes this does work. But you should try to look into the center of your mind, put your focus there, not at the center of your forehead.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:21 AM   #11
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Yeah indeed good point, the center of your mind is more accurate, but It's easier to locate the center of your forehead instead of the center of your mind IMO. Concentrating on the center of your forehead, between the eyebrows, will also activate the center of your mind. It's the same thing.
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Ok........ so does this work ......REALLY VAU
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:40 AM   #13
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Sounds interesting, i havent had a successful wild yet, something else to try would be nice. Might try right now 8). I'll post my results.
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:47 AM   #14
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Yeah indeed good point, the center of your mind is more accurate, but It's easier to locate the center of your forehead instead of the center of your mind IMO. Concentrating on the center of your forehead, between the eyebrows, will also activate the center of your mind. It's the same thing.
Yes agreed.
And the whole pineal thing is on speculative anyway, there is no real evidence that it has anything to do with awareness etc.
And it's miles from between your eyes:



I think the point isnt where you put your awareness,
the point is that you have awareness at all... which is the key to lucidity.
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:54 AM   #15
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It's not speculative at all. I linked it with articles. Check it out..
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The pineal gland (also called the pineal body, epiphysis cerebri, or epiphysis) is a small endocrine gland in the vertebrate brain. It produces melatonin, a hormone that affects the modulation of wake/sleep patterns and photoperiodic (seasonal) functions.[1][2] It is shaped like a tiny pine cone (hence its name), and is located near to the center of the brain, between the two hemispheres, tucked in a groove where the two rounded thalamic bodies join.
Miles from between the eyes? You must have a HUGE head. LOL
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I move my attention to the back of my head, right where my head joins my neck. It seems to be the magic spot for me. I also hold my consciousness here while doing reality check type awareness excercises throughout the day.

The center of my forehead seems to generate too many visuals for me. Maybe it is because it is so close to where my eyes are, so it reminds me of normal visual awareness.

I'm assuming that maintaining focus on any one spot will have similar results.
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:26 PM   #17
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So the pineal gland looks like it's our "Dream Clitoris".
Lets stimulate it!

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I am highly reluctant to believe that we can voluntarily stimulate the pineal gland. It's a gland. Controlled by the autonomic nervous system. It takes people ages to learn how to control heart rate, which can be lowered simply by sitting/laying still, altering your breathing and closing your eyes (all three are a part of most meditation techniques). And don't forget, in that case we are indirectly controlling heart rate. Controlling a gland by mere thought? That's like controlling digestion by thought, or controlling your knee-jerk reflex by thought.

Furthermore, the correlation between melatonin and dreams has yet to be proven; all we know is that it promotes sleep.

I've heard you can stimulate the pineal gland with the use of high-powered magnets. Cool stuff.
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hey abra, did you read what ChaybaChayba said about the salyva thing.

there are several posts on this website about people who have trouble with salyva when trying to sleep.
i somtimes have it and i and everyone else has concluded that its because we think about it, that the mouth produces it.
this is anoying because once i think about salyva, my mouth starts to produce it and its a chain reaction.

i think this happens so easily because we are so aware of salyva, we can feel it.
it would be a lot harder to stimulate this part of the brain because 'we' dont know its there, we are told its there.
i think that the more i read up/ do research on this part of the brain, the more aware i will become of its existance, thus making it easier to stimulate.

if that made any sense
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The penis (and/or parts of) is a gland.
I can will it to do all sorts of things even without touching it.
I can make it grow and get all sorts of feelings from just thoughts.
I can even have one of the most powerful things in the world happen too, an orgasm from stimulating my gland.(this one by thought is normally at puberty - and often through dreaming)

Just showing another example of us stimulating our glands by thought.
Seems many don't believe we can.
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Yes agreed.
And the whole pineal thing is on speculative anyway, there is no real evidence that it has anything to do with awareness etc.
And it's miles from between your eyes:



I think the point isnt where you put your awareness,
the point is that you have awareness at all... which is the key to lucidity.
Its not speculation your pineal gland contains rods and cones like your eyes, its most definaly used for seeing images in your head. Don't doubt it for a second.

The evidence is that it contains rods and cones. So there for its used for viewing things
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hey abra, did you read what ChaybaChayba said about the salyva thing.

there are several posts on this website about people who have trouble with salyva when trying to sleep.
i somtimes have it and i and everyone else has concluded that its because we think about it, that the mouth produces it.
this is anoying because once i think about salyva, my mouth starts to produce it and its a chain reaction.

i think this happens so easily because we are so aware of salyva, we can feel it.
it would be a lot harder to stimulate this part of the brain because 'we' dont know its there, we are told its there.
i think that the more i read up/ do research on this part of the brain, the more aware i will become of its existance, thus making it easier to stimulate.

if that made any sense
We can make ourselves salivate by thought.

Imagine, taking a fresh, wet lemon slice up to your lips. You bite through its bursting sour pulp, and can hear the juice spurt inside your mouth.


But that's evolutionary. When we think about food, our body prepares itself through salivation and stomach secretion.
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Its not speculation your pineal gland contains rods and cones like your eyes, its most definaly used for seeing images in your head. Don't doubt it for a second.

The evidence is that it contains rods and cones. So there for its used for viewing things
Its also found to have crystaline structures on it and them to be the same recepticle receivers as the ears internal crystaline structures.
Mobile phone companies are researching the Pineal gland today. Figures.
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Its also found to have crystaline structures on it and them to be the same recepticle receivers as the ears internal crystaline structures.
Mobile phone companies are researching the Pineal gland today. Figures.
Wouldn't surprise me if it had hearing also. Somethings gotta make the sounds you hear when you start to fall asleep and go to lucid dreaming. Im sure its not your ears.

Im 100% convinced your pineal gland has a lot to do with dreaming and such, and im sure it can be used for a lot more then that.

Its there for a reason
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Good post ChaybaChayba

This technique is worth some tries.
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