Nielsen Ratings - Overnight TV Ratings for Monday, April 27, 2009 including Chuck, Heroes, Medium, Dancing with the Stars, Castle, Bones, 24, How I Met Your Mother, Two and a Half Men, Rules of Engagement, The Mentalist, Gossip Girl and One Tree Hill

Updated Monday Ratings: Chuck, Heroes finales, Castle hanging on?

Posted on 28 April 2009 by Robert Seidman

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Scoreboard FOX CBS ABC NBC Uni CW
Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 3.9/10 3.8/10 3.2/9 2.5/7 1.6/4 1.0/3
Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 3.4/10 2.8/8 2.2/6 2.0/6 1.8/5 1.5/4
Total Viewers (million) 10.96 11.26 13.99 6.41 4.14 2.13

FOX took the 18-49 demo for the night with House and 24, trailed closely in that demo by CBS’ comedies and CSI: Miami combo.  FOX also grabbed victory with adults 18-34.  ABC had the most overall viewers fueled by Dancing With the Stars.

The season finale of Chuck scored a 2.3 rating with adults 18-49 and 6.11 million viewers overall.   The season finale of Heroes pulled a 3.0 adults 18-49 rating and 6.39 million viewers.    Meanwhile, ABC’s Castle averaged a 2.1 rating with adults 18-49.

I know fans are wondering about the fate of Castle.  It was off .1 with adults 18-49 vs. last week when it faced a repeat of The Mentalist instead of a new CSI: Miami.  The good news is, it seems to have stabilized, but I’m not sure if stabilizing at a 2.1 is good news.  The bad news is it lost viewers in its second half hour.  But then again, so did 24.

I’ll post the full show data table shortly…  Update: Now included (see below)

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Previous Monday overnight reports are available for comparison.

Full details:

Time Net Show 18-49 Rating/Share 18-34 Rating/Share Viewers (Millons)
8:00 FOX House 4.3/12 4.0/13 10.87
ABC Dancing with the Stars 3.8/11 2.4/8 17.26
CBS The Big Bang Theory 3.4/10 2.6/8 9.31
NBC Chuck 2.2/6 1.7/6 5.95
CW Gossip Girl 1.0/3 1.4/4 2.07
8:30 FOX House 4.7/12 4.3/13 11.85
ABC Dancing with the Stars 4.4/12 2.8/8 19.60
CBS How I Met Your Mother 3.7/10 3.4/10 8.87
NBC Chuck 2.5/7 1.9/6 6.28
CW Gossip Girl 1.0/3 1.5/4 1.98
9:00 CBS Two and a Half Men 4.9/12 3.5/10 14.09
ABC Dancing with the Stars 4.7/12 3.1/9 20.41
FOX 24 3.5/9 2.9/8 10.58
NBC Heroes 2.9/7 2.8/8 6.21
CW One Tree Hill 1.0/3 1.5/4 2.13
9:30 CBS Rules of Engagement 3.9/10 2.5/7 11.30
FOX 24 3.3/8 2.6/7 10.535
NBC Heroes 3.0/7 2.8/8 6.56
ABC Surviving Suburbia 2.4/6 1.6/4 9.91
CW One Tree Hill 1.0/3 1.5/4 2.127
10:00 CBS CSI: Miami 3.3/9 2.5/7 11.88
ABC Castle 2.2/6 1.7/5 8.74
NBC Medium 2.2/6 1.5/4 6.74
10:00 CBS CSI: Miami 3.3/9 2.5/7 12.085
NBC Medium 2.2/6 1.4/4 6.702
ABC Castle 2.0/5 1.5/5 8.026

Shows are sorted by 18-49 rating in each time slot.

Nielsen TV Ratings: ©2009 The Nielsen Company.

Definitions:

Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.

Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.

Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)

Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.

For more information see Numbers 101.

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193 Comments For This Post

  1. Heroes>Chuck says:

    down with chuck, heroes #1 baby!!!!

  2. Robert Seidman says:

    Jeffster!

  3. Argus says:

    Chuck’s ratings went down??? Nooooooooooo…. Is there any hope for it now?

  4. Clay says:

    “I liked Heroes better the first time around, when it was called X men origins”.

    I love that comment, So true.

  5. Nick C says:

    Those GOSSIP GIRL numbers sure are high.

    CHUCK btw is not renewed or canceled. Yet.

  6. tim says:

    im calling that castle lives. ABC is desperate for a cop show, and they need to keep 1 new show. Castle is stabalizing, and i think 8.4 million viewers with a 2.1 demo is worth a 13 episode second look.

  7. lopan says:

    I thought Chuck would have some big clifhanger but I would be okay if that was the last episode.

  8. Clay says:

    Chuck’s rating did not go down, they stayed the same.

  9. Nick C says:

    Argus, they stayed the same, but actually slightly better I think than last week. It may hit a 2.4 or even a 2.5 in finals.

  10. Robert Seidman says:

    Argus, they didn’t go down, they stayed the same as last week’s (and the week before, for that matter) preliminary numbers.

  11. Jay Leno says:

    i spoke with ben, he’s says chuck is too expensive to bring back

  12. P@ says:

    And thus begins the longest. week. ever. for fans of Chuck.

  13. Victor says:

    Jeffster rules!

  14. Jennifer says:

    Tim I hope you’re right about Castle. The show is getting better every week. I think ABC needs to keep it around for a second season.

  15. Tony says:

    Hopefully this will put a nail in Chuck’s coffin. So long Chuck, don’t let the doors hit you on your way out.

  16. me says:

    more chuck i say.

  17. Julia says:

    It went up to 2.4 in the finals last week.

  18. Sam B says:

    Haha, “Jay Leno” trying to stir up the pot =)

  19. Heather says:

    Well, at least Chuck stayed stable, so I won’t be freaking out anymore than I already have been. But like someone already said, this is gonna be the longest week ever.

    And good idea closing the comments at first - it was nice to be able to see the ratings right away!

  20. DN says:

    ‘Heroes>Chuck’ (April 28th, 2009 at 9:59 am) is a coward. “Heroes” is a tired show, to boot, but this clown wouldn’t recognize that.

  21. cool says:

    The real story last night was CSI:Miami.. wow, it dropped in the demos of ROE and Castle was very close. Castle will have the direct lead in of DWTS next week so I wonder if will beat CSI:Miami, at least in viewers. If that happens, it will be a huge loss for CBS because Miami has been dominationt the timeslot in what.. 7 years?

  22. Patrick Murphy says:

    A very wise move shutting down the comments until the post was up for a while, Robert.

    Argus says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am
    Chuck’s ratings went down??? Nooooooooooo…. Is there any hope for it now?

    The second half hour didn’t go that way, just the first half hour. That’s 300,000+ people that watch The Big Bang Theory but not How I Met Your Mother.

    Clearly, many of those with DVR’s have a priority list like this.

    1. House
    2. BBT/HIMYM
    3. Chuck

    Since you can only choose two, probably a lot of people watching House and taping BBT, or they go BBT to Chuck, at least the older viewers do.

    Heroes>Chuck says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 9:59 am
    down with chuck, heroes #1 baby!!!!

    The Heroes finale is getting ripped a new one online today, just ask Entertainment Weekly and Zap2It.com.

  23. Catherine says:

    Rules of Engagement seems to be hanging in there between Two and a Half Men and CSI Miami and this season it has been consistently funny. Any idea on what CBS is going to do with this show? They’ve jerked it around for the last couple of years. Maybe they should just leave it there.

  24. Aaron says:

    2.2+2.5 = 4.7

    4.7/2 = 2.35

    2.35 rounds up to 2.4

    2.4>2.3 (last week’s rating)

    I’m confused how you can’t say it didn’t go up a tick…

  25. Robert Seidman says:

    Julia, I think it will likely go up here as well. 2.2/2.5 =2.35 in straight averaging, same as last week.

  26. Aaron says:

    Or at least you could spin it that way.

  27. Nick C says:

    Julia, yeah and I think this might get to a 2.5 in finals but just barely. It did ever so slightly better from what I’ve seen.

    However I was amazed by HEROES last night. Just when you thought the show couldn’t get any worse… it gets worse.

  28. Robert Seidman says:

    Aaron, we don’t see all the data that goes into the hourly numbers for the preliminaries, but I trust the sources, regardless of the rounding. Your accounting of the half hours is true, and was true last week. What I try to do here, to keep it simple is compare preliminary numbers with preliminary numbers. By that basis, last week was a 2.3 for the hour, and this week 2.3 as well.

  29. JT says:

    No real surprise and something that won’t change the decisions that have already been set in motion. Nice to see the last half hour increased for once.

    I for one am confident regarding the insider news recently leaked online, and the news that the sets weren’t torn down already. Hopefully the Subway push and the media (critics) push will get us off the bubble and at least 13 more episodes.

    Tony, if you don’t like the show why comment?

    Jay Leno, figures you’d be trolling around on these boards instead of planning you new show. LOL.

  30. Justin says:

    Chuck was amazing. Heroes used to be good in Season 1… Season 2 wasn’t even that bad either. It just got old. I’m sure it’s great now, but since I’m so far behind, I can’t make myself watch it.

    I’m just dying for Chuck to come back next year. It’s awesome. The writing is so smart and funny. I mean, who DIDN’T love the final line of the season? “Guys… I know kung fu!” That line was GOLD! BRING CHUCK BACK!!!

  31. Jimmy McAwesome says:

    CHUCK BEAT MEDIUM IN THE DEMO AND MEDIUM HAD A LEAD IN OF OVER 3.0. CHUCK IS OBVIOUSLY THE MORE SUCCESSFUL SHOW AND IT’S IN A TOUGHER TIME SLOT. IT HAS HOUSE AND DANCING WITH THE STARS AND THE BIG BANG THEORY AND HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER. CHUCK KICKED MEDIUM’S ASS. SOUTHLAND IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO FALL AND SO IS PARKS AND RECREATIONS. CHUCK IS A SUCCESS FOR NBC. THEY’VE GOT TO KEEP IT.

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHUCK.

  32. Cindy says:

    Domo Arigato, Mr. Robert(o), for your prompt posting! It is at least relieving to see that Chuck numbers did not went down. And now we wait….

  33. Patrick Murphy says:

    Aaron says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 10:10 am
    I’m confused how you can’t say it didn’t go up a tick…

    Last week’s revised rating averaged it out to a 2.4. So as of now, it’s even with last week. Usually, Chuck’s numbers move up slightly when more accurate data comes in later in the day.

  34. JT says:

    Sorry for the double post, not intentional.

  35. David says:

    I agree Nick, Heroes has become unwatchable. I stuck around to see what happens this season. I’m pretty sure I’m done now. Too bad, it was a great show.

  36. Nick C says:

    Justin, HEROES is so horribly bad right now it’s like watching a train wreck. If you like that kind of thing HULU old episodes. Just a few weeks ago we found out that Angela’s sister had been alive for 40+ years living by herself in a basement and taking care of herself (since she was like 12). It was absurd.

    I didn’t think they could top that, but they did.

  37. shelly says:

    I have a very wild idea: what if ABC brings Castle back next season and has it switch timeslots with Brothers & Sisters? Castle gets the better Desperate Housewives lead-in and maybe some of their younger demo push, Brothers & Sisters will probably be more compatible with the family-friendly Surviving Suburbia, and with its already built-in audience over the last few seasons, is probably one of the few ABC shows strong enough to take on CSI and Medium.

  38. Patrick Murphy says:

    Jay Leno says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am
    i spoke with ben, he’s says chuck is too expensive to bring back

    I’d hate to see what you had to do to Ben to bring you back on the air. At least Chuck gets by with some original stuff, not some stupid gags recycled from David Letterman and Steve Allen.

  39. R.G. says:

    I’m really hoping “24″ caps off at 11 mill or 12 mill by the season finale in a few weeks!…

    This season is AWESOME -and I heard they start filming next season at the end of May!

    Good bye —Chuck!!!!

  40. DN says:

    “Southland” cannot air at 8pm. It’s too mature in it’s subject matter. I haven’t watched “Medium” but there may be a reason that it also air at 10pm. The Peacock network should work on growing the already established loyal audience “Chuck” has, instead of trying to start from scratch.

  41. JP says:

    Glad to see that Chuck went out, one way or the other, with a bang - good episode. I am hopeful that ABC realizes that it has something to build upon with Castle - great “family” viewing, for the most part, with terrific chemistry throughout the entire cast.
    NBC should be at bit concerned with Medium, I think - doesn’t seem to be holding up well this season.

  42. Jeff says:

    CHUCK is coming back baby. Heroes is too….which is huh?!

  43. Patrick Murphy says:

    Catherine says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 10:10 am
    Rules of Engagement seems to be hanging in there between Two and a Half Men and CSI Miami and this season it has been consistently funny. Any idea on what CBS is going to do with this show? They’ve jerked it around for the last couple of years. Maybe they should just leave it there.

    Probably all depends on what CBS wants to do with their comedies. Neither of their Wednesday comedies are strong enough to back a new one, and the only slot you can really program a new sitcom is in Rules’ 9:30 slot. (HIMYM needs the Big Bang Theory to lead it in) If CBS doesn’t feel confident about any of its new comedies, I would let Rules of Engagement run a standard September-May schedule.

    I think Castle has done enough to come back. And that’s an interesting suggestion, Shelly. Question is, can Brothers and Sisters survive without its DH lead-in? Guess that’s why they pay network execs the big bucks.

  44. Justin says:

    I think Chuck could do with a time slot change as well. Maybe put it where it’s not up against House or BBT…. two of the best shows on TV. Maybe move it to a different night where it won’t be up against the most dominating shows on TV.

    I absolutely loved heroes during the first season. The second season was okay, but could never live up to the hype of the first season. After that, I just lost interest. Maybe I’ll hulu the old episodes to catch up, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

  45. Jon says:

    Everything seems down with the big hitters like House, Dancing with the Stars, Two and a Half Men and CSI: Miami lower than what they usually get, is the weather having an impact on ratings?

  46. R.G. says:

    Hmmm…the way I see it now Chuck is another obstacle for those that would truly like 24 - so people watching another network makes too many people stay on the same Channel and fewer would see the early episodes of 24 so therfore…Chuck must go!

  47. Julia says:

    RG, I don’t think Chuck is an obstacle for anything. ;)

  48. FrankJ says:

    Nick C, does NBC realize how bad a problem they have with Heroes, or do they think bringing Fuller back fixed it? I’ve heard the finale is getting trashed on some fan sites.

    Also, I was curious, do you think if Chuck rises to a 2.5 in the finals that that will have an impact on its chances at this point? Its not much of a move, true, but still, that’s the same number Southland got last week (in fact I think it dropped to a 2.4 at the half hour), and look at the promotion NBC throws into that show. I think I saw one ad for the Chuck finale.

  49. the128boy says:

    I am on board with Cool, the real story last night is a new CSI: Miami at a 3.3

    What happened there?

    Does Castle really still have life in it? I dunno, but I don’t think so. On the other hand, ABC has certainly been more than lenient in the past with some of its midseasoners. And their spring was about as good as NBC’s fall, as far as new shows are concerned. Maybe the jury is still out on this one.

  50. R.G. says:

    Dang….I don’t know what’s killing me more - to see the final episodes of 24 or to see where the networks are going to put and/or keep what shows for next season…

  51. R.G. says:

    Julia…I know…I just like taunting Chuck fans — i’m such a trouble maker!

  52. Bill Gorman says:

    128boy, if last season is any guide, and it may not be because of the strike, ABC may bring back a show(s) that it “shouldn’t” have. If they do, my money is on Castle to be that show.

  53. Hudson says:

    Heroes was amazing last night! Don’t listen to nick c. I watched chuck as well, the ending was sooo strange… How did a machine in his head give him Kung fu skills and more strength… I only liked thr fight scenewith mr roboto in the background but I’m excited for next season of heroes!

  54. dave says:

    That 9:30 slot on CBS is the most interesting slot in all of network television. I’ll be curious to see what they do next fall. Rules performs good, but CBS seems to think something else can perform better. They can use the slot to launch new comedies, but they’ll have to deal with lower overall numbers than putting something established there. The best numbers would probably come from TBBT, but since that show does well on its own they might not want to move it, and give the 9:30 slot to a show that could use the help.

  55. Julia says:

    I think after this past fall ABC is not about to make that mistake again, Bill. But, yeah, if they were to bring any of their spring failures back, it would be Castle.

  56. shelly says:

    Patrick Murphy, you asked if B&S can survive without the DH lead-in? I would say, absolutely it can.

    Brothers & Sisters is what I refer to as an ‘autopilot’ show, meaning it’s one of those shows on tv which no matter how good or bad the show actually is, people will keep watching it (something like House, where no matter how much people have bitched about the overuse of 13 or lack of Cameron and Chase, they may threaten to quit watching but don’t actually do it, at least not through time-shifted means). There’s just some factor of watchability about the show that makes it entertaining nonetheless - the acting, actors, production values, whatever. I quit watching B&S sometime earlier this season but watched on Sunday night and found that even though it’s not something I’m really interested in anymore, I still find it very entertaining. I believe it has enough of its own built in audience now to compete on most any night. Sure, some nights it might do better than others, but I don’t think it won’t keep its steady audience. Plus, it wouldn’t directly compete with the crime shows like CSI and Medium.

    I think the bigger question is how Castle would do if it switches nights. Much as I love Fillion, the show has been a little hit and miss. I loved last week’s episode but last night’s episode but kind of dull. BUT I do believe that they’re heading for some good story arcs for the last two episodes (can’t say more without giving out spoilers) so I’d hate for the show to be cancelled and not get more of those explored next season.

  57. Hudson says:

    Oh and the reason why fans are trashing it is either cuz thre favorite character died or they didn’t like something that happened to a character but plotwise it was good

  58. cool says:

    Castle can work in a earlier time.

    but seriously, it’s very weird to see CSI Miami with that numbers.

  59. R.G. says:

    If ABC reruns episodes - i will try to watch CASTLE this summer…you have my interest up on it…

  60. S says:

    Chuck avarage for the night was 6,11 mln and 2.35 in demo . If we take last week as comparision, the fast nationals were at 6,05 and 2.35 demo and it was revised in finals to 6,11 and 2.4 in demo.
    Give the incrase the show had last night from 8 to 8.30, it’s safe to assume that when the finals come out they probably be around 6.2 mln and 2.4 demo.

    I think Chuck performed decently, just look at the competition last night. All shows were with the new episodes + there were NBA finals on ESPN, if i read correctly. Also look that all competiton has lost viewers versus last new outings, only Chuck gained a little. House was off by almost 1 million, both HIMYM/BBT were both off by 700k viewers, Gossip Girls was off by nearly 400 k, which marks series low if not mistaken and is down by nearly 1 million viewers versus it’s autumn avarage (and it has been already reneved).

    Btw how awesome was yesterday episode, “Guys, i know kungfu” :)

  61. Alex says:

    House once again beats Dancing with the Stars head-to-head this week (and so does Two and a Half Men for that matter), which is why I think House stays on Monday’s next year. They can win Monday’s or at least come close with House on Monday’s in theory at least have a strong enough line-up to compete the rest of the week.

    For what its worth I enjoyed Heroes last night and liked the set up for Volume 5, which included the potential to cycle out some of the cast and reduce the budget. Step one of the Heroes rework has begun. It all has an air of pointlessness about it though since I don’t imagine we’ll see a fifth series unless something miraculous happens next year. As it is I actually think the end of Volume 4 would have played well enough as a series finale. The ‘its absurd argument’ doesn’t really fly with me for various reasons either.

    Castle holding relatively steady vs. last week is interesting but a 2.1 remains a 2.1 It does however remain the strongest new drama contender for renewal on ABC, which speaks volumes for how weak ABC is on new shows because the only way Castle survives with these numbers is if ABC feel compelled to bring a new show back next year. Something needs to change within ABC because they’ve missed the mark too many times as of late.

    Is it just me or did Surviving Suburbia drop again this week?

    Oh and I’m beyond bored of the Chuck discussion now.

  62. Patrick Murphy says:

    R.G. says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 10:27 am
    Hmmm…the way I see it now Chuck is another obstacle for those that would truly like 24 - so people watching another network makes too many people stay on the same Channel and fewer would see the early episodes of 24 so therfore…Chuck must go!

    I’d actually be insulted if I thought you knew how to read the numbers. (or were serious) Fortunately, the 300,000 pickup that Chuck got once BBT was finished and the 1M House got are clear indicators that you have fans that watch one show live and DVR another. The one show that’s in the mix for everybody appears to be BBT, whether it’s first priority or second. After that, House would be in there, mainly first priority. Sadly, Chuck is the third choice for a lot of people.

    Of course, I’ve been advocating for two freakin’ months they should move Chuck to Wednesdays where it can take 2nd after Idol, maybe 1st depending on what Fox throws against it in the fall. Fringe and Lie to Me are good but not unbeatable, Bones would be a bit tougher. ABC and CBS are in rebuilding mode for that timeslot.

  63. P@ says:

    I know this is TV by the numbers, but does anyone know whether the “Save Chuck” campaign through Subway had any impact?
    I know that I ordered Subway for dinner for the first time in like 3 months last night, and plenty of other folks have said (online) that they also ate at Subway. I’d be interested to see if they had a spike in sales yesterday or not. (When I ordered my subs last night, I asked the clerk about it - and he said that he’d not heard anything about it, which is not really that surprising.)

  64. Bad Robot ! says:

    I liked HEROES better when it was called THE 4400.

    Heroes Season 1 was great, but it was all downhill after the botched Season 1 finale. HEROES jumped the shark with its newest Sylar/Nathan gimmick aka “SATHAN” just take out the H and you get SATAN !!! I thought Sylar doing the Psycho Mommy thing was bad a couple of weeks back, but this??? Ugh. Hopefully they end the series with the last volume in Spring 2010 before it gets even sillier than it is now.

    Chuck? 50-50 for a 7-13 episode Season 3 and one last chance to prove its more than just a mediocre cult show. Being on NBC is a mixed blessing as Leno will be sucking up 1/3 of the Prime Time slots.

    “24″? Still good, but I half expect Jack Bauer to say something like “Yeah, Im a total scum bag who violates the civil rights of nice misunderstood terrorists(both foreign and domestic), lock me up and throw away the key! Im really sorry I saved so many American lives by fubaring terrorist scumbags.. I just want to spend my remaining years rotting in prison to pay for my crimes against humanity - and dont forget to replace your light bulbs with CFL’s and install solar panels to save the planet - and when they strap me into the electric chair it had better be solar or windmill powered! Thank you and good night from all of us here at FOX - GO GREEN!!!”.

  65. evah says:

    Wishing a second season for Castle.
    Actually like it better than “The Mentalist”

  66. JR1234 says:

    The second half hour Chuck went up to 2.57 and 6.28, that is excellent. You have to remember The Big Bang Theory stole many of Chuck fans duing the strike. NBC has to remember that Chuck has 6 million loyal fans and if they move the night to Weds. next fall they will have many more. I said this many times Monday nights has too many good shows on. I watch Chuck and DVR House and I do not watch The Big Bang Theory anymore, by the way( BBT is a very funny show).

    It’s funny, I do not know anyone who has the neilsen rating in there household.

    I remember a few years back Seinfeld was getting killed by Home Improvement is the rating and NBC put Seinfeld on the bubble. The show was on the bubble for the first two or three years it was on the air. That’s when NBC moved the Seinfeld to Thurs. after Cheers and the rating went through the roof.

    Again, NBC should stand behind Chuck and move the show to Weds. start over with the promotions and get behind the show that people would want to cheer for.

  67. JT says:

    S, great insight. I’ve felt that Chuck adding viewers, but not necessarily upping the average, was a better indicator for the future.

    D.G., at least you’re nice about it.

  68. R.G. says:

    Hmmm…so Chuck fans are saying that a “machine” in Chucks head makes him know things and do things he didn’t know he could do before….Hmmmm - then my Terminator/Chuck fusion episode could come true!!!!!

  69. Fin says:

    Nick C, actually your theory about the fact Angela’s 12 year old sister lived on own was crap is, well… I don’t think it was. First of all most of the food was either easy to cook (which well I was making omlets when I was 12 so) or just maybe she learned from watching. Plus after all most people will kick into ’surival mode’; our minds and bodies are said to be at their best when we are most desperate so if she did learn from just watching (in secert) or whatever I still find it plausable. Plus I don’t think the fact she lived alone was so odd: she most likely wanted to be alone at 12 after her experience at the camp and then just lost her skills to socialise.

    Plus if you hate Heroes so much why do you still watch it? Because surely it must be better than anything else on if you hate it and still watch it instead of something else or do you just read the blurbs and just make your mind up?

  70. JT says:

    Throw in an eclipse and you’d have something there.

  71. networkinsider says:

    looks like the nail in the coffin for chuck, ratings would only go down next year, maybe nbc should consider a 3rd hour of the biggest loser or maybe primetime edition of win, lose, or draw, all better options than dud chuck, or one last option would be to pitch it as a 30 minute comedy to nbc

  72. Bad Robot ! says:

    As for buying Subway sandwiches meaning anything - it doesnt. Only a small percentage of Chuck fans are even aware of this campaign. Even with JERICHO and its 25 tons of peanuts to CBS HQ there were only a few thousand people placing orders and really getting involved. That show had nearly 8 million viewers at the time. It did get a 7 episode Season 2, which from what some people have told me was going to happen anyway and CBS/the producers of the show were manipulating fans to do an experiment on grass roots fan efforts and their ability to grow and audience. Of course the experiment failed and it lost 2 million more viewers - the rest is history.

  73. the128boy says:

    CW got killed in 18-49 last night. Granted the 18-34 were still ok, but also down.

  74. Rowan says:

    Frank J,
    NBC is bringing back Heroes because Bryan Fuller will be running the writer’s room and the plans they have for the fourth season are exciting to NBC. Fuller has not been able to fix this season because he was brought back too late and certain events were already in motion and could not be changed without screwing the season up further. Season four will be very exciting and the writing will be on par with season one (which was fantastic!).

    I sincerely hope they bring back Chuck. Last night’s episode was terrific! I even went to Subway to buy a $5 footlong sub - and I hate Subway. But I love Chuck so I showed my support, as did others.

  75. Riff Rafferty says:

    Castle - There is no bad news with this show anymore. It stopped the freefall it was doing after the second episode, it didn’t drop many viewers after “Dancing with the Stars” was switched with the Bob Saget turkey, and ABC has been wanting a procedural. It’s coming back.

    Not coming back? “The Unusuals,” which has 20 things wrong with it and 10 viewers.

  76. Kyle says:

    Good news on the second half hour ratings.

    Mixed feelings on the Intersect last minute twist. Chuck wins because of who he is - not because he has the intersect. And Chuck coming up with a crazy scheme when surrounded by enemies is just more fun than Chuck beating them all up.

    Was this really the only way the writer’s could come up with to make it more plausible that Chuck would be in the field?

  77. R.G. says:

    Hey…I go to subway every Thursday for lunch with my co-workers…

  78. Tim says:

    24 has been quite good! Can’t believe Tony is bad again, or is he??? Some of the plot lines area a stretch, mostly the ones dealing with the President’s daughter now being her Cheif of Staff, but everything Jack Bauer just rocks. It will be interesting to see how they get out of him not croaking from this bio virus.

  79. Cindy says:

    TO P@: here is some info regarding Subway: http://www.tvweek.com/tvmojoe/2009/04/subway-good-night-and-good-chu.php

  80. shelly says:

    RG, ABC won’t be rerunning Castle or any other scripted show. They have a bunch of reality crap scheduled for the summer. But you can watch all the episodes of Castle on ABC’s player anytime, all except for the pilot which should be up on iTunes. And the show is being released on dvd this summer:

    http://www.amazon.com/Castle-Complete-Season-Stana-Katic/dp/B001XRLWPQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1240940929&sr=1-1

    Do be warned though that if you’re expecting a serious crime show like CSI or Without a Trace, this is definitely not that kind of show. The real charm and fun of the show lies in Nathan Fillion’s acting and the relationship and chemistry between the cast and characters. I find it a nice change of pace from crime procedurals but that’s just me. It also takes a few episodes in to really hit its stride.

  81. The Real Tony says:

    If Chuck gets renewed it will lose more viewers. NBC, if you guys are smart, don’t renew the show. It will save you money.Don’t worry. The Chuck fans are not like the Firefly fans who fought back. This group will watch the next show that comes on because Chuck has a format similar to a lot of other shows.

  82. Porkchops says:

    I liked Heroes better when it was a comic book called X-Men.

    24 is starting to feel a little tired for me. I still like it and will continue to watch to the very end. Just have to wonder is season 9 a guarantee with those sub-par numbers given the high production cost and Keifer’s ginormous contract.

    HIMYM has been horrible as of late (thanks to the 2 pregnancies) - just ironic that this season has been the worst quality-wise yet this season’s ratings has been its best. I probably won’t pick this season up on DVD if the rest of season continues to stink it up.

  83. the128boy says:

    I went to Subway yesterday right about 7pm I think. There were more people in line than I am used to, but it only hit me later about the whole Chuck connection.

    I doubt its related, but later it did make me think, were those all the Chucksters that post on tvbythenumbers?? ;)

  84. Jennifer says:

    R.G. you can see Castle episodes online at ABC.com. If you’re interested.

  85. cool says:

    They should really repeat Castle on the summer but ABC is not that smart :(

  86. Jimmy McAwesome says:

    be ready for the return of deal or no deal next year. count on it.

  87. Patrick Murphy says:

    Kyle says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am
    Good news on the second half hour ratings.
    Mixed feelings on the Intersect last minute twist. Chuck wins because of who he is - not because he has the intersect. And Chuck coming up with a crazy scheme when surrounded by enemies is just more fun than Chuck beating them all up.
    Was this really the only way the writer’s could come up with to make it more plausible that Chuck would be in the field?

    Yeah, I was thinking about that myself. I didn’t like it at first, either. But the fans have been clamoring for Chuck to pick up some skills so he isn’t tripping over his own two feet when he doesn’t “stay in the car!” If Chuck gets picked up, it is unlikely NBC would give them a full 22 out of the gate. If you spend too much time of those 13 episodes (or whatever) having Chuck go through training, that limits how much story you can dedicate to fighting evil perpetrators and what have you. Also, we don’t really know if the fans will react favorably to an “upgraded” Chuck. And if you train him the hard way, you can’t untrain him after that. He can’t go back to being “old” Chuck.

    By doing it the way they did, they give themselves 2 advantages: Chuck goes right into new cases from the get-go if there is a season 3. More importantly, if it doesn’t work, they can have the Intersect taken out (or downgraded) and Chuck goes back to being…well, Chuck.

    Basically, they’re giving themselves some room to work with.

  88. Chris F says:

    “This group will watch the next show that comes on because Chuck has a format similar to a lot of other shows.”

    There is an argument to be made for Chuck not coming back but that simply is not one of them.

  89. Patrick Murphy says:

    The Real Tony says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 10:56 am
    If Chuck gets renewed it will lose more viewers. NBC, if you guys are smart, don’t renew the show. It will save you money.Don’t worry. The Chuck fans are not like the Firefly fans who fought back. This group will watch the next show that comes on because Chuck has a format similar to a lot of other shows.

    Yeah, NBC should spend their money more wisely on shows, like giving $60M to produce 13 episodes of Kings, or $4M a week to Heroes, whose ratings have been slipping for two years now.

  90. Lizardman says:

    Interesting numbers this morning. It’s possible the 8PM hour on Monday may be one of the most competitive hours on television. Stating the obvious, you have one of if not the most popular scripted shows on FOX and television in House. The second most popular non-scripted show on television behind AI, Dancing with the Stars. Then two of the top five sitcoms in HIMYM and Big Bang. Then you have Chuck.

    I don’t think the numbers having stabilized the last few weeks are that bad. I think the big question for NBC is does the cost of the show merit its return and/or can they move it to a different time slot and try to grow a bigger audience.

    Should be interesting over the next few weeks to see. Also I think Castle gets renewed based on the flop of the rest of the freshman ABC shows. Just my opinion.

    Lizard…

  91. cool says:

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure the 3D episode of Chuck was dirty cheap :wink:

  92. Heather says:

    Yeah, there’s absolutely nothing else like Chuck on TV, that’s why it’s gotta stay. If Castle gets axed, I’ll be disappointed, but I’ve still got Bones. When Better Off Ted gets officially canceled, that’ll be a shame, too, but there’s always The Office. There’s no show even remotely similar to Chuck.

    Patrick Murphy, there is speculation that Chuck’s new powers might not be that reliable, so he might not always be as powerful as we saw him in the finale. Regardless of what they do, I’m excited about the change.

  93. Clay says:

    The real Tony, please name some shows with similar formats to Chuck ? Name 3 since you say there are many.

  94. puredieselbc says:

    “Plus if you hate Heroes so much why do you still watch it?”

    I asked a similar thread question about Heroes on tv.com. Some said they liked a particular character, some said nothingelse better was on(in their opinion) but most knew the show had been bad after season one and just continued to watch hoping against hope that it would somehow turn around. With fans like that Heroes will have to completely collapse before NBC considers putting it out of it’s misery. Yikes!

  95. JT says:

    cool says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure the 3D episode of Chuck was dirty cheap :wink:

    He said $4M a week. One episode is not going to break the bank.

  96. Pat says:

    I’m surprised that Chuck isn’t doing better in the demo against House. It’s smarter and more creative.

    House is still doing well in the demos but in terms of overall viewers, it’s in a pretty steep decline. They’ve lost 7 million viewers from last year’s high, 4 million since January alone. People are leaving but it’s the older viewers who are.

    It just shows that what matters are the demos and not the quality of the show.

  97. Alex says:

    In fairness to Real Tony Chuck isn’t the startlingly original piece of television that its fans often proclaim it to be, there really isn’t anything groundbreaking about the show - it is essentially case of the week with some bigger picture serialisation and Tony’s right when he says that there are endless shows that fall into that category right now.

    What may or may not be unique about Chuck this season at least is its tone or ‘family friendly’ vibe but for what its worth that doesn’t seem to have connected with audiences in a noticeable way.

  98. Evil says:

    I so hope that Castle stopped it’s freefall is enough for ABC to consider renewing it. Out of all shows I’ve seen this year (and not counting the ones that will come back anyway like Lost, Heroes or 24) I care the most about Castle — and I am usually the kind of person that absolutely HATES procedurals. But the chemistry in Castle is really awesome…the 4 most important characters have such a harmony, it’s pure fun watching them act.

  99. PETER says:

    CHUCK IS MAKIN’ A COMEBACK IN THE RATINGS! NICE.

  100. cool says:

    ^YEAH!! too little, too late.

  101. the128boy says:

    Cool, what do you mean, too little too late?

    If Chuck keeps this up, it could be up to a consistant 2.5 or 2.6 by late may! ;)

  102. Patrick Murphy says:

    Heather says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 11:12 am Patrick Murphy, there is speculation that Chuck’s new powers might not be that reliable, so he might not always be as powerful as we saw him in the finale. Regardless of what they do, I’m excited about the change.

    That’s another good point. Although to be fair, I’d like to see an episode or two of the “upgraded” Chuck first before he starts having problems with it. Either way, what seemed like a silly idea at first actually might have been a brilliant one when you analyze it.

    I would expect if they get the renewal announcement, Zachary Levi will be sent back in for martial arts training so he does as well as Yvonne Strahovski does with that stuff.

  103. Nick C says:

    Fin, Hudson: Defending the writing on heroes is like saying the women in the WNBA should be allowed in the NBA. It’s a hilarious argument with no base in reality.

    I have no problem Fin with Angela’s sister surviving, I have a problem with her surviving for 40 years and not once checking out society. She had to get the food from somewhere not to mention her clothing. Plus the idea that she stayed there because her sister told her to is beyond belief. I could accept staying there weeks or months, but 40+ years? No kid is that stupid.

    Hudson, last night had tons of plot holes. First was that Sylar never was able to get Nathan’s memories. Second was that whole rearranging his brain thing. He could barely control the ability and was losing his mind and we’re supposed to believe he did that? Right.

    Also the Nikki look alike that just can’t die? Whatever. Tell me again how Parkman got the ability to see and paint the future? Oh right they needed that ability to continue their plot but had already killed the guy(s) who could do it (twice). Hiro can now only stop time and no longer teleport, etc. The idiot Patrelli can only steal a power at a time now.

    Killing Nathan makes sense, they need to make the cast smaller. Killing Sylar for good would have been smarter. In fact killing off half of them would have been truly entertaining. They kind of screwed up though. Having Sylar cease to exist and be Nathan likely means both actors will be back next season getting paid.

  104. Jon L says:

    I suppose that the premise of Chuck isn’t [i]completely[/i]** original, but I don’t think it’s the general idea that’s attractive, which might help to explain why it has trouble gaining new viewers (which is a problem that can also be attributed to many other things). I tried explaining the story to my friends and the immediately denounced it as stoopid.

    For me it’s the combination of absolutely everything that make it unique. I’ve never seen anythng that can pull off the romance/action/drama/comedy so well, and it’s got me hooked (and amazed). Not to mention all the little things that keep that solid baseline present, such as the intrigueing plot, the seamless pop-culture references, and the amazing chemistry between the leads.

    **trying to figure out italics and bolds, etc

  105. Patrick Murphy says:

    Alex says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 11:26 am
    In fairness to Real Tony Chuck isn’t the startlingly original piece of television that its fans often proclaim it to be, there really isn’t anything groundbreaking about the show - it is essentially case of the week with some bigger picture serialisation and Tony’s right when he says that there are endless shows that fall into that category right now.

    Yeah, I can see that. But I think there’s more of a lighter touch to Chuck than a lot of shows on TV right now that aren’t straight-up sitcoms. More tongue-in-cheek, as it were. Very reminiscent of The Greatest American Hero, which kept itself light and humorous for most of its run. (equally crazy concept on the surface, too, but fun to watch once you delved into it)

  106. Kyle says:

    Patrick Murphy:

    “Chuck to pick up some skills so he isn’t tripping over his own two feet when he doesn’t “stay in the car!””

    They did need a way to explain Chuck not always staying in the car. But this feels like it cuts against the heart of show: Chuck’s way is not the CIA’s way. Sometimes this hinders him; sometimes it succeeds where the CIA’s approach could not have.

    Could not the intersect have been essential in the field in some other capacity? Even it all it did was hack keycodes that would be plenty essential and I’m sure the writers could come up with many other things the intersect could do beyond recognizing faces that would get Chuck out of the car.

    “If you spend too much time of those 13 episodes (or whatever) having Chuck go through training, that limits how much story you can dedicate to fighting evil perpetrators and what have you.”

    I dont’ think should ever be able to beat up 5 elite enemy agents. It feels Cheap to have it be so easy — Chuck earning a LITTLE competence in this area would have been more rewarding. And it wouldn’t take much time — in fact, it’s a missed opportunity for hilarious training montages!

    If Chuck prevails because he took a badass pill, well, anyone could have done it. Chuck prevails by being Chuck, not the intersect.

  107. Jenna says:

    Jon L you’re right! When I saw the promo for Chuck for the first time during it’s first season I thought…what a silly premise?? A computer in your head? But when you watch the show not only do they make it believable, it’s just so much fun! The way the writers/creators have combined all the different elements just makes the show great to watch and I look forward to it every week.

    The season finale was fantastic and I found the idea of Chuck gaining knowledge of kung fu through the intersect to be PERFECT! It made sense. I don’t believe he gained STRENGTH, just learned HOW to fight. Everyone was complaining that Chuck should get some training now that he’s thrown into this spy world and I thought this was the perfect way to do it. You see that he’s still the same person, but has gained skills that will benefit him as a spy from the intersect. The last line was SO CHUCK! “Guys…I know Kungfu…”

  108. David says:

    Part of the ratings fragmentation is about watching shows. I have sons, ages 9 and 14. House is not appropriate nor is HIMYM or BBT. I can’t stand reality TV, although my wife will watch it from time-to-time. My youngest son likes Zach and Cody and my oldest liked (until recently) Heroes. What makes Chuck unique is that all four of us like it, and generally speaking, it is age appropriate for all. There isn’t much non-reality on TV anymore that can accomplish what I just described. Unfortunately, my family is more or less in the minority, and hence the less-than-stellar ratings. So, when you say that Chuck has the same basic formula as other shows, it may, but the execution is different, and I think that makes it unique.

    As an aside, if Chuck is replaced with Parenthood, which is about dad staying home with the kids, I’m unlikely to be a faithful viewer. Maybe my wife will. My kids, well, it will depend on how many times some kid gets his head stuck in a bucket, which will turn off me and my wife. Again, this might work for some and may be “family friendly” but I don’t see it as attracting entire families. Perhaps this is why we now have 200+ channels and not three networks with family programming at 8, mid-range and 9 and adults at 10. Now we can all go to different rooms and watch our age appropriate and targeted shows.

  109. JT says:

    Kyle says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    If Chuck prevails because he took a badass pill, well, anyone could have done it. Chuck prevails by being Chuck, not the intersect.

    I think that Chuck and the show prevails because unlike the first two seasons he has finally made a choice. The overwhelming theme of Chuck as the victim of the Intersect is gone, and though we don’t know exactly what will happen with this new Intersect, we now know what Chuck wants to do with his life. That is a new direction and the rest is up to the writers.

    I still haven’t seen the list of shows just like Chuck from the naysayers. That’s because there is nothing on TV like it.

    Can’t say the same about shows based around crime scenes, hospitals, and police. It’s like how many brands of toilet paper can you have? It’s toilet paper, and you wipe your a** with it, whether you’re in Miami, NY, it’s still toilet paper.

  110. Jamie says:

    The Chuck finale was the best finale of any show in years… they cannot cancel it! Move nights, networks, or something, but don’t leave it there!

  111. Corey says:

    The concept of “super-spy Chuck” is one that I don’t think we’ll see much of if we get a season 3. First of all, it seems like this new Intersect reacts to his emotional state, seeing as how he only flashed into combat mode when Sarah’s life was in danger. Second, I’d be willing to bet this is actually used as a partially humorous device.

    Chuck’s handlers, and Chuck himself, will have no idea what he’s capable of or when he might be able to do things. I really don’t think he’s going to be doing much fighting again. Not only does Zach Levi look awkward fighting (which I think was on purpose, and I found it funny) but I have enough faith in the writers that I believe they’ll take this in a positive direction.

    Plus, how funny would be if the Intersect reacts to spikes in emotion and affected his normal life too? Like he and Sarah finally hook up, the Intersect kicks in and he becomes the world’s best lover. They could even have a name for it…Intersex.

  112. Joseph says:

    I hope Chuck does get canceled I mean it goes off with him knowing Kung Fu WTF??? Goodbye Chuckie

  113. Royal H says:

    Two things I find interesting about these numbers:

    1) Castle is holding steady over the last two weeks despite a diminishing lead-in. Surviving Suburbia has dropped 0.2 each of the last two weeks (in the 18-49). Also, Castle had been solidly outperformed the last two weeks by Medium, but last night it was nearly equal in the 18-49, slightly ahead in 18-34, and had 1.5 - 2 million more total viewers. I hope Castle gets another chance, as it is currently the only thing I watch on ABC (at least until college football starts back).

    2) Check out the relative performances of The Big Bang Theory and How I met Your Mother. HIMYM loses several hundred thousand total viewers vs BBT, yet is up a big 0.8 and is nearly equal to Two and a Half Men in the 18-34 demo. On a network that tends to skew old, HIMYM must have the youngest audience. Older viewers seem to be actually turning away after BBT only to tune back in for TaaHM.

  114. Jenna says:

    LOL you’re right Corey. I doubt he’s going to become a perfect “superspy”, but he will be able to do more, which I think makes perfect sense after 2 years as a spy! It will also be unpredictable I’m sure, which will add in some humerous elements. I think it was handled very well. It was both funny and kick a**!! I have faith in the writers and actors and I know they’ll make it work and it’ll make the show even better! :)

  115. idizzle says:

    Yeah, when Chuck meanders along with a 2.1-2.3 demo rating, then Monday at 8pm is the competition death hell super slot, but when House loses a couple million viewers from the frikking season premiere back in winter on Tuesday before the only other player in that slot (NCIS) even started its season, then it’s obviously in a free fall. *rolls eyes*

  116. Corey says:

    On a side note, to anyone who might be familiar with how network TV works, could NBC have had the right to take the “To be continued…” off the end of Chuck’s episode last night? It just seemed a little unfair to add that when the show’s future is obviously in question. It didn’t seem necessary. When I first saw it, I was like, “Holy crap, they’re gonna follow this up with an official announcement that Chuck is renewed!” Obviously just wishful thinking, but it surprises me that NBC allowed the “To be continued” at the end.

  117. JT says:

    idizzle says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Yeah, when Chuck meanders along with a 2.1-2.3 demo rating, then Monday at 8pm is the competition death hell super slot, but when House loses a couple million viewers from the frikking season premiere back in winter on Tuesday before the only other player in that slot (NCIS) even started its season, then it’s obviously in a free fall. *rolls eyes*

    Losing viewers is a bit different than meandering along. *blink*

    On that note, is there any graph out there that shows the weekly total viewers for all these shows?

  118. Alex says:

    “I still haven’t seen the list of shows just like Chuck from the naysayers.”

    Literally off the top of my head…

    Burn Notice, Monk, Fringe, Dollhouse and The Mentalist all share the exact same case of the week with bigger picture serialisation as Chuck and whilst I’ve only seen the pilot but I suspect The Unusuals does as well. To a lesser extent House has the exact same format as well, especially in regard to the overlapping character interplay and their relationships and especially with the will they won’t they relationship between House and Cuddy, which seems astonishingly similar to the will they won’t they I keep hearing about in regards to Chuck. Bones has the same will they won’t they chemistry between its leads as well. So does Castle.

    Like I said previously Chuck isn’t the ground breaking television experience its fans might want it to be, it has the same format as countless television shows but presents it with a slightly different premise and a slightly different tone to other shows, which is true across the board because all the shows I mentioned have different a premise and tone but the same format.

    Praise the tone and the premise all you want (I personally haven’t seen enough of the show to comment on the tone of it but I can say I don’t particularly like the premise but that’s a personal preference) but don’t tell me that Chuck is a ground breaking piece of television. It isn’t.

  119. Alex says:

    Corey I wouldn’t read too much into the ‘To Be Continued…’ at the end of Chuck. NBC could have insisted it was removed if they really wanted to but I suspect even if they’d officially axed the show they wouldn’t really have cared either way.

  120. Alexx says:

    I for one loved HEROES last night.
    Chuck was pretty bad ass as well!
    Chuck better get renewed or heads will be flyin!

  121. Patrick Murphy says:

    Kyle says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
    They did need a way to explain Chuck not always staying in the car. But this feels like it cuts against the heart of show: Chuck’s way is not the CIA’s way. Sometimes this hinders him; sometimes it succeeds where the CIA’s approach could not have.
    Could not the intersect have been essential in the field in some other capacity? Even it all it did was hack keycodes that would be plenty essential and I’m sure the writers could come up with many other things the intersect could do beyond recognizing faces that would get Chuck out of the car.
    I dont’ think should ever be able to beat up 5 elite enemy agents. It feels Cheap to have it be so easy — Chuck earning a LITTLE competence in this area would have been more rewarding. And it wouldn’t take much time — in fact, it’s a missed opportunity for hilarious training montages!

    Oh, they could still pooch this thing next year, no question. Although it’s possible that we’re reading too much into that little Neo display last night. (Chuck fans overanalyzing the show? Never!) The things you said could very well be part of the upgraded Intersect. Just doesn’t look as shocking when it happens.

    Again, I think the writers gave themselves an out if the fans react negatively to the upgraded Chuck. They can always go back to training him if he loses his Intersect skills and do it the way you suggest. But if you start there from scratch and then find out it really is better for him to stay in the car, it’s much harder to track back from there.

  122. JT says:

    Alex says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    “Burn Notice, Monk, Fringe, Dollhouse and The Mentalist all share the exact same case of the week with bigger picture serialisation as Chuck and whilst I’ve only seen the pilot but I suspect The Unusuals does as well. To a lesser extent House has the exact same format as well, especially in regard to the overlapping character interplay and their relationships…”

    -

    Being a fan of Monk and avid viewer since Season 1, I can’t believe you think Chuck and Monk are the same show. Wow. Then again, judging by the way you described things above, I don’t think you and I look at shows the same way. Which I guess supports the notion that maybe Chuck is the ground breaking television experience for some of us, but obviously not you. Sorry, I won’t tell you it is but you certainly can’t tell me it’s not.

  123. mike says:

    Chuck isn’t a groundbreaking piece of television, but it is definitely more unique than anything else on network TV right now.

  124. KellyH says:

    The “Heroes” writers turn a deaf ear to the many, many fans who’ve been clamoring for Sylar to be gone for good for at least a couple of years now while thinking that they are doing better trying to retain the “Draco in Leather Pants” Sylar cult.

    Essentially, Tim Kring learned nothing from Joss Whedon–particularly not the fact that villains have to have a shelf life in order for there to be any hope at all.

    I said that if Sylar was still present or existed in any way, shape, or form after this finale, I was done with the show, and I believe I’m sticking to that. Strange, too, as I was such a devoted fan in Season 1.

  125. Alex says:

    JT read more carefully, not once did I say they were the same show I said they have the same format because they do.

  126. Bad Robot ! says:

    So who are the 12 member of the Council of Doom? Are they the 12 Cylons decendants? That would be cool.

  127. JT says:

    Alex,

    You too, I, and the original post I was referring to didn’t say “list of shows with the same format.”

    Lets agree to disagree to not beat this to death. Thanks for the discussion.

  128. rob says:

    Awesome episode of Chuck last night!! Can’t wait until season 3!!!

  129. Jon L says:

    ^^knock on wood.

  130. kwhy8strm says:

    Am I the only one watching Medium? I will admit the last two weeks, with “to be continued” episodes, was really stretching the boundaries of how much I was willing to accept as plausible plot lines.

  131. Alex says:

    Actually JT the original poster (Real Tony) did quite clearly say that Chuck’s format was the similar to a lot of other shows.

    Real Tony’s post, pay close attention to the final sentence where he uses the words ‘has a format similar to a lot of other shows’.

    “If Chuck gets renewed it will lose more viewers. NBC, if you guys are smart, don’t renew the show. It will save you money.Don’t worry. The Chuck fans are not like the Firefly fans who fought back. This group will watch the next show that comes on because Chuck has a format similar to a lot of other shows.”

  132. Patrick Murphy says:

    Alex says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pm “If Chuck gets renewed it will lose more viewers. NBC, if you guys are smart, don’t renew the show. It will save you money.Don’t worry. The Chuck fans are not like the Firefly fans who fought back. This group will watch the next show that comes on because Chuck has a format similar to a lot of other shows.”

    It was funny that Real Tony mentioned a show with more rabid fans that also featured Adam Baldwin. Also, I don’t seem to remember watching whatever was in the Monday night slot before Chuck. I believe it was Deal or No Deal. Not to mention, the last NBC show I watched regularly was Friends. Didn’t even watch Earl, The Office, no major show on that network that I can recall. Unless you count Entourage as a similar format to Chuck, which is last show before Chuck I watched regularly.

    Guess that’s one hit to Real Tony’s theory.

  133. idizzle says:

    “Losing viewers is a bit different than meandering along. *blink*”

    It’s just that the argument is weird. Like it can be the “OMG, time slot of death” if it suits Chuck fans arguments and it is still supposed to have no effect at all on House viewership.

    All in all I think House lost a lot more viewers from last season to this one (mix of not getting any better, team switch and being moved earlier) than it has over the current season.

    Hey, I stopped watching House and I wasn’t particularly trying to defend it, just saying this is almost as stupid as the “we have a super-devoted fanbase, who would do anything and completely follow to cable, but cannot figure out a simple schedule, because Obama was on a single week”-paradox and the “dumb reality television kills my smart show, why can’t it have AI as a lead in”-headscratcher.

  134. lopan says:

    Most shows brought back after a big fan campaign end up not doing well the next season.Can Chuck break that cycle Robert or Bill.

  135. Someuser28 says:

    Newbie here! I love Chuck, and think it is an amazing show. I’ve been reading through the comments here, and it seems like most people like the show, with a few people wanting it gone. Honestly, I don’t see why it bothers people so much. I dislike shows that most other people like, but I don’t really wish for them to be gone, or shoot them down in general. I just ignore them. I don’t get why people who hate a show keep getting involved in it. Makes no sense to me but that’s just my thought.

    Anyway, I’m hoping for a renewal, but I actually had a “what if” to throw out there. What if another network picked up Chuck, say ABC or CBS? Honestly, I can’t imagine Chuck anywhere else but on NBC, but that’s because I’m used to it. How do you think it would fare then? I know people have said NBC doesn’t promote Chuck enough and has put it in a crap time slot, but do you think other networks would ever step in to take it? I mean it shows a great potential, and could maybe be a hit, especially on ABC, which IMO has the most family friendly shows (I might just be thinking reality shows though). I’m sure it would never happen, but I’d like to know what others think. =)

  136. JT says:

    iDizzle, totally agree. You can’t complain about the time slot if there are other shows in the same slot subject to the same competition.

    I was just making the observation that a decline should be perceived as worse than hovering, or meandering as you put it.

  137. Chris says:

    The only problem with the time slot that Chuck is in, is that it is going up against shows that have been established for many years. I personally still watch House and enjoy it to an extent. I like it better with Chase, Cameron, and Foreman. I just think that the show has gotten stale. The basic story is do a bunch of testing on someone, make fun of everyone, do more testing, someone say something, and then House solves it. It also has seemed to steer way from it roots (medical show) and gotten more into the soap pera relm. I will still watch it, but for me, Chuck gives me more enjoyment. That is why I watch it over House live. Now Heroes on the other hand, complete junk. Shoot, look at the total veiwers. Give Chuck another season, and it will pass Heroes. And I used to defend that show

  138. Cassie says:

    Long live Chuck!

  139. Dylan says:

    By the current logic of some of the critics making their opinions know here (which I have no problem with), many shows have the same format as Chuck. Case of the week syndrome at its best. That’s wonderful, thanks for the insight. I’m sure you’d also like to point out that all of the shows mentioned above are broadcast on television. And they all have actors in them. And it costs money to make them.

    The point as I see it, when referring to Chuck’s “uniqueness”, as it were, is that it is a very approachable show with some very serious undertones. It deals with a case-to-case format, sure, but it does so in a very likable manner.

    Oh, and the “will they, won’t they” chemistry of Chuck and Sarah is VASTLY different than Booth and Bones. In the last three or so episodes of Bones that i watched, that chemistry is nearly non-existant. Meanwhile, it is very present every week on “Chuck”.

    I’m not saying that Chuck is groundbreaking (though, it is tough to define groundbreaking anymore), but it uses charm, camp, and whole lot else to deal with tricky subject matter. Monk’s charm wore off long ago for me, mostly because OCD is only so charming. Fringe’s characters (save, perhaps, Walter) are all so detached and wooden that I could care less about them. And Dollhouse? Not sure I understand that one completely.

    Your point is valid, in that they have similar structure to presenting their stories. But they are vastly different stories. THAT’S where the uniqueness comes from, not format, so I suppose you could fault supporters as well.

  140. Di says:

    I’m hoping NBC will be wise enough to renew Chuck for another season.

  141. gmac says:

    I really don’t want to live in a country that chooses to watch “Dancing with the Stars” over re-runs of F-troop much less anything in a current prime time line up. Get me out of here! Who are these morons? Viva la Chuck!

  142. Argus says:

    The reason that the time slot is considered the timeslot of death is because of the other shows. These are some of the biggest shows in the other networks arsenals, and Chuck isn’t one of NBC’s bigger shows. Its like if a junior ‘A’ sports team was being pitted against three major leaguers, you would say “well no wonder the junior ‘A’ team is having trouble; at the same time, you would not say that the other sports teams should be judged as equally endangered since they’re all professional. In lay terms, NBC has crap for an audience right now, and therefore anything it puts up should be judged in terms of “can we really do better than this?”

  143. MoochoMocho says:

    Yea Im sick of watching heroes in the hopes it will get good they took out the only thing the show had going for it, peter petrellies power and gave him a dull boring one. Heroes moves at such a snail pace and never goes anywhere. I feel you can replace the actors with cardboard cut outs and have one guy do all the voices cause that what it feels like watching the show. they never give the viewers the satisfaction they want from the show, We need an x-men tv show already so heroes can die.

    Save chuck the one good show on television. The mix of geek humor, action and romance makes me excited to see what they come up with next. Its not a super origional idea but what is nowadays its probably as close as you can get to one. So NBC stop putting your best show up agianst huge astablished shows put it at a time where people would be more likely to find it and stay with it and get interested enough to buy the dvds and tell others about it. I cant wait for my JEFFTER T-shirt.

  144. ChucK Vs The Ratings says:

    “Chuck me”, that was a Awesome season finale..

    “Guys I know Kung fu”

    Re: The Subway thing. Subway has to be happy. Nevermind people buying subs last night, the viral marketing campaign leading up to last nights episode is priceless. From a marketing stand point, subway has to be very happy.

  145. S says:

    Finals are in and as suspected Chuck gained almost 100k viewers and uptick in demo , so is at 6.2 m and 2.4 demo.

    As far as other shows of intrest go : Castle dropped to 2.0 demo, Medium stayed flat both in viewers and demo, Heroes stayed flat in demo at 3.0, GG dropped even more below 2m viewers and Surving Suburbia actually lost 1 m viewers and 0.2 demo (now at 2.2) in finals, despite very strong lead-in.

  146. Samuel says:

    House sure was low…

    Ha ha ha Chuck

  147. VeNom says:

    Chuck season finale was like a 8th grade skit.. Chuck the new Neo cmon let’s be real, the stretch has killed this show….So call the coroner and let Chuck get his toe tag.

  148. Christi G says:

    I really hope they do not cancel Chuck. I am so sad that the ratings weren’t better and I can’t figure out why NBC doesn’t put it in a different time slot. I used to watch Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother.. both really funny shows, but there is just something so original and creative and FUN about Chuck.

    I really hope we get to find out what the writers will do with this new “Super Chuck”!! They are SO creative, they blow my mind every week. Every week I laugh HYSTERICALLY… and it’s such an escape cause it’s so out of this world meets real life. If they do renew it, I wonder if they will do away with the Buymore… I hope not, cause I love the whole Buymore thing, but if they do… part of the fun for me is just seeing what the writers will come up with. Hopefully we’ll get to see what hey have planned.

    I LOVED the segment last night where Ellie and Awesome got married at the beach and that song was playing and we kept going back between the beach and Chevy Chase/Roarke and Casey… I think that is one of the things that’s so special about Chuck… there are all these constrasts… and all this emotion mixed with humor mixed with suspense… I absolutely love it.

  149. Dylan says:

    Considering we had exactly a 5 minute sequence to view the new Intersect, VeNom, I don’t think we can say that Chuck can suddenly do everything. Saying that him being able to fight makes him Neo is a bit much. Unless your referring to his last line? In which case your using a single line to justify profiling him as Neo. What if the new Intersect broke down? Or it slowly kills him, since Bryce said it was too powerful.

    In the end, you can’t just say “Last three minutes were STOOPID, cancel it!!!”, until we know more about next season.

  150. Tyler says:

    i really hope that castle wont be cancelled. i really like it and the episode was good (not as great as last weeks) but still good. the next episode looks awsome as well.

    just one question though…is a 2.1 in the ratings a good or a bad thing. i just look at the number of viewers, not the ratings.

  151. Bill Gorman says:

    Tyler, ABC’s season average 18-49 rating is a 2.7, so a 2.1 is not good.

  152. Alex says:

    Dylan yes a lot of shows on television share the same format and Chuck is part of that. As I said before the premise and the tone of Chuck may very well be different to other shows mentioned but again as I said previously just about every show on television has a different premise and tone to the other one whether they share the same format or not. Even the various CSI’s have slightly different tones.

    Television especially on broadcast has become a limited medium.

  153. Dylan says:

    Agreed. My point, however, is that Chuck’s premise seems to click more for people. Yes, every show is different. That doesn’t, however, make it good or engaging. Which enters into the fickle realm of opinion, about which we could argue all day. I’m just giving my thoughts as to why Chuck is often described as unique. It’s a fresh take on, as you said, the classic case-by-case cop/medical drama/comedies we see all to often now. Because, like you said, television has become a very limited medium.

  154. esrever says:

    I call shenanigans on the whole tv shows are just like each other because they follow same format bs. Most shows that share similar genres have the same or similar format. Just like most so called “reality” shows are over glorified game shows in one form or another and really don’t have much to do with reality.

  155. VeNom says:

    @ Dylan as refreshing and unique this show’s premise was, “the stretch has killed it”. The finale was not just a joke for it’s comparisson to Neo but that it returns to Chuck being the intersect…And it’s seems to me that the writers stumble to the beginning, out of nowhere else to go……Granted they’re many possible outcomes to be had..None however that can get this mind of mine to be intrigued….. The merry go round hasn’t been in my park of entertaainment in a long time…

    BTW your passion for your show is admirable,I feel the same way about Life…So hopefully the Peacock rewards one of us in the end…….

  156. kermode says:

    If you are moderating the comments, what’s the rush? Take your time - so a comment appears two weeks after it was posted - bit deal, there are more important things in this world (like getting Chuck renewed ;)

  157. ChucK Vs The Ratings says:

    VeNom says:

    “The finale was not just a joke for it’s comparisson to Neo”

    First, the Matrix is one of the best movies ever.

    The Matrix ending just made Chuck more awesome. Go back and watch the Matrix, average guy working a dead end job, has to make a choice…

  158. Ben says:

    In the description, it says “The season finale of Chuck scored a 2.3 rating with adults 18-49 and 6.11 million viewers overall.”, but in the table it says ” NBC Chuck 2.2/6 1.7/6 5.95″

  159. Dylan says:

    Or both. Of course I would prefer Chuck, but I like Life very much. My only point was that I don’t think we can really decide if Season 3 can’t go anywhere intriguing until we see more of what they have planned for it. Granted, it needs to be renewed first, but still. As to how the show was getting stale (I know, not your exact words), I agree 100%, the “stay in the car” mentality was wearing on me. Which is perhaps why I like where they are going with it. The intersect being in his head never bothered me (though, had they “removed it/put it back in” a few more times, it might of). Now that Chuck has gained some skill, without knowing any of the drawbacks, I am very excited to see what they do with it.

  160. MIke the Canadian says:

    The similar to other shows is correct in a sense, it has been a very popular theme for ages the Mind/computer fusion, I can site many movies playing up this theme, and this years season of shows certainly play on this idea too. Lets see, Dollhouse; mind wipe and rewrite, skills enhancement, Fringe has had some episodes along that theme, Heroes plays around that, its more a genetic programming, though I haven’t kept up with it. Terminator had a similar premise with cybernetic stuff, again this is all similar stuff, scifiish molding the computer with the flesh as sorts. I know I’m forgetting some, but I’ll say every one of those shows writers was a Blade Runner fan and/or read Philip K Dick at one time or another.
    With Chuck it doesn’t take itself seriously and that’s what works, geeky themes with humor, romance and action. I mean hey they killed Chevy Chase in a cold blooded shot to the chest, that’s a plus anyday, pseudo swearing ‘Oh chuck me’ and simply great music, even the corny ones like Mr. Roboto.
    Never understood the draw of House, I’m tired of medical shows anyway, I want escape and funny, my life is too crappy all day to go without some light hearted fare, does Southland or Parks & Recreation do that, not even close, Castle however is earning more attention, and that’s because of Nathan Fillion.

  161. Mike says:

    Guys honestly dont worry about the intersect upgrade. WHEN NBC give us the third season this is how i see it playing out. Chucks dad was a super awesome spy when he was orion and he said that he uploaded the intersect to his head… mayb its the same one where it gives u all these powers. If u notice at the end of the episode chucks dad starts feeling weak after he flashes which leads me to believe that this intersect is dangerous bringing the need for it to be removed later on. I think it would be cool for chuck to have some super spy abilities for a little while although i have a feeling it wont last. The great thing about chuck is hes just a normal guy and uses his knowledge of computer games and real world experience to get himself through it im pretty sure the writers havent forgotten that part and i think we can look forward to some cool charah action ;). The writers havent let us down yet so keep the faith. Cmon NBC please please please give us a 3rd season i wont survive without chuck…..

  162. Dylan says:

    Fillion is a given. He’s brilliant, always has been, always will be. Castle has gotten better week to week for me, leading me to believe that it deserves renewal.

  163. Anil says:

    Wow look at Gossip Girl. They advertise it the most and it gets 1.98 only? Sad. But it’s renewed so it’s not sad I guess..lol!

  164. Master Moron says:

    Heroes was garbage last night. Angela’s idea made absolutely no sense. They need to keep Nathan alive because if people find out that someone with abilities killed a senator then they’ll be hunted down? Okay, ignoring how completely idiotic that entire premise is, why didn’t they just give Nathan some of Claire’s blood to heal him? Or why didn’t they just have Peter pose as Nathan? The ending was just a pathetic attempt to keep Sylar in the show because the writers are incapable of coming up with any new villains.

  165. William Haney says:

    For my two cents worth…

    1. Someone brought up the Chuck numbers against brutal competition. Still a firm fourth but Chuck does get more love than Kings. Keep Chuck and Heroes where they are for one more year. With the “one more chance” scenario. The numbers could be better. It was a great episode.

    2. I caught the final 10 minutes of Heroes and will watch my tivo of how it got there. Sylar (SPOILER ALERT!!!!!) “dying” reminds me of how the Master died on Doctor Who a few years ago. Last rumored heard is that John Simm (The Master) was on the Doctor Who set recently. Unless Zachary Quinto wanted to leave the show, amid if Star Trek becomes a hit. The recent storyline for Heroes, started great in my book with the government taking them all but the whole storyline unravelled and it was back to Sylar against the good guys (again). Kind of like following Big Ten football year after year. I think the Heroes gang should come back one more year with also a “one more chance” ultimatum. Worked for Lost.

    3. NBC on Mondays reminds me of that friend in school you only hang around with if the cooler people are not available. The “when in doubt” we have NBC on Monday scenario. Sadly, Chuck is the most under appreciated show in television. Add Life On Mars and Kings to that list.

    4. ON ANOTHER SUBJECT: Congratulations to Dick Ebersol for his lifetime achievement award at the Sports Emmys. He would be one of my “Heroes” in the television industry. Another Ebersol influence, if you came up with NBC’s 10 highest rated shows in prime time in the past year, you would see ALL sports. Super Bowl XLIII and the Olympics. Maybe Dick should run primetime? Worth a shot.

  166. Dawn says:

    First of all, these networks aren’t thinking about what they’re putting these shows up against. I’ve never been a huge t.v. person, but I love Big Bang Theory, How I Met Your Mother, and now I’m addicted to The Mentalist, Castle, and Dollhouse as well.

    The problem?–I go to work and college full time. So I dvr most of the shows I can’t catch on time.

    How about they get rid of something like Survivor?–It’s on it’s, what, seventh season (which would just be sad if its actually any higher) with its same ridiculous plot and drama (my bad, on a different island)? Or what about the Bachelor? I say drop these shows and keep the ones that actually have a great story with likeable characters and actors.

  167. House Addict says:

    House deserves more.

  168. MIke the Canadian says:

    Dawn unfortunately Survivor is like 10 seasons or shows, they did a couple each year and it and the bachelor are popular, thats why they keep coming back. House is done, next season will be its last, it had its peak, there is simply no where to take the show except the same old thing and sans the freaky suicide still has nothing new or entertaining for that matter, Hugh Laurie swinging his cane and insulting people, that got tired after the first season. All the precedurals are dead unless there is a scifi twist or a hybrid, cops, doctors and lawyers are done, for a few years atleast.

  169. samir says:

    I have no problem Fin with Angela’s sister surviving, I have a problem with her surviving for 40 years and not once checking out society. She had to get the food from somewhere not to mention her clothing. Plus the idea that she stayed there because her sister told her to is beyond belief. I could accept staying there weeks or months, but 40+ years? No kid is that stupid.

    - in the episode angelas sister said that after she ran out of food she would go to the nearby villages and steal what she needed (im asuming that included clothes and other necesities)

    I said that if Sylar was still present or existed in any way, shape, or form after this finale, I was done with the show, and I believe I’m sticking to that. Strange, too, as I was such a devoted fan in Season 1.

    - i think that what heroes will do is basically have nathan stay with sylars powers, so not so much sylar, i think that sylar is done

    i actually thought the heroes finale was great

    chucks finale was amazing too i hope they renew the show. i would love it if nbc gave a full season reknewal, but they should at least give it a midseason replacement and have it on a different day w a lot of advertisment

  170. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Nick C: “Just a few weeks ago we found out that Angela’s sister had been alive for 40+ years living by herself in a basement and taking care of herself (since she was like 12). It was absurd.”

    Wow! Somebody stole that from Fringe - or vice versa! LOL! That was the plot of Fringe a couple episodes ago - kid found in abandoned building that was sealed for 75 years! One of Fringe’s weaker episodes in my opinion.

  171. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Bad Robot ! says: “I liked HEROES better when it was called THE 4400.”

    Uh, would that have anything to do with someone named Summer Glau?

    Actually, probably one of the few babes liked more than Summer at Superiorpics.com would be Hayden Panettiere.

    However, FHM Magazine released their 100 Sexiest Women list and Summer made number 16!

  172. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Hudson says: “How did a machine in his head give him Kung fu skills and more strength?”

    Ever see “The Matrix”? That whole bit was lifted straight from The Matrix, including the line “I know kung fu.”

    And that wasn’t even an ’80’s reference! LOL!

  173. Richard Steven Hack says:

    BTW, Robert, thanks for the hot pic of Yvonne for this post!

  174. JSimmons says:

    Loved Chucks Season Finale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on back for a bigger and better year!!!!!!!!!!!! Fan base is building.

  175. Jane says:

    Heroes has officially become the worst show in television history. It may come back next year, but I’ll be very surprised if any viewers do.

  176. Anna says:

    “According to two people familar with the situation, Subway’s internal tracking of the “Chuck” promotion was off the charts. One source labeled it the best such product placement the restaurant chain has done “in several years.”

    And here’s the kicker: Pace was so impressed with “Chuck’s” impact on sandwich sales, he actually called a top NBC ad sales executive to let him know just how much Subway loved the Chuckster. What’s more, Pace told NBC the company hoped the network decided to renew “Chuck” for another season.”

    I was at Subway yesterday and it was packed!!! I have to see Jeffster again and CHUCH-FU!!! Imagine the possibilities for Chuck - what if he could download Halo 3 or James Bond’s charm to seduce the ladies? Also not everything is fool proof - I could see some hilarious things go awry with the latest intersect.

  177. Chris says:

    House is in a really weird time slot for a show like House and I think that most people will agree that it is being widely DVRed in that slot. BBT and Chuck shouldn’t be pitted against one another because they appeal to the same audience. I usually watch BBT live and then flip to my 30 minutes in recording of Chuck so I can fast forward through commercials. After Chuck, I watch the recording of HIMYM which, I agree with whoever said above, is sucking this season and I’m about ready for him to meet the mother. I haven’t even bothered to watch last night’s episode yet. Was it new?

    Mondays @ 8p is easily the most competitive time slot currently on network television and there are a lot of people who do not now and will not ever like Chuck because they don’t like that brand of humor. But there are a lot of people who are watching BBT who would love Chuck and can’t watch it because they don’t have a DVR and they have to choose. I didn’t get INTO Chuck in a defending it in forums kind of way until the second half of this season and I think that a lot of people just haven’t found it yet.

    I’ve speculated for a while now that it would perform really well as a sandwich between Ugly Betty & Greys Anatomy. It has the same quirkiness of Ugly Betty and the same saving the world aspects of Greys Anatomy. Being geared toward families, however, makes it a better candidate for a 7p slot. I say kill the second hour of Biggest Loser and plug Chuck in before it on Tuesdays, let Law & Order double up Wednesdays and keep the Thursday night comedy block. If Southland comes back, run it with Heroes, maybe it can save Heroes as a lead in. Chuck on Tuesdays pits it against American Idol but that is less of the same audience as BBT and even House.

    My freaking DVR flipped out on me when House moved to Mondays — “Chris! You must choose only two!” and I don’t own a VCR. I resolved to watching the rest of the Monday shows online Tuesdays nights because Tuesday night tv is TERRIBLE. At least in a Tuesday spot, Chuck wouldn’t have to go against Dancing with the Stars (moms), BBT (Geeks and the SciFi contingent), Gossip Girl (I know, but a lot of the 20-something women I know love this, even if they think Chuck is adorable), AND freaking House (Everyone else.)

    Chuck isn’t going to steal any viewers from American Idol but at the very least, it can get second place on DVR list.

  178. super fan says:

    Oh for christ sake, enough with the Heroes-x-men analogies. You people are morons.
    so according to your logic any form of entertainment dealing with super heroes is the same exact thing. heroes, the 4400, x-men, spiderman, batman, superman, watchmen, etc… there all the same thing right?
    No. Heroes has had a HUGE upturn in quality this volume and the finale further proved that. And why cant chuck and heroes co-exist?! They are both great shows, although I personally think heroes is better.

  179. Jason says:

    “Heroes has officially become the worst show in television history. It may come back next year, but I’ll be very surprised if any viewers do.”

    Why do you say that?

    Have you actually SEEN Hole in the Wall?

  180. Karl says:

    I think people judge shows to harshly, sometimes you don’t need to worry about the exact logic on how someone was able to do something in the show, just enjoy it.

    I am a fan of both Heroes and Chuck and I loved the season finale’s for both.

  181. Bruce W. says:

    Big but disapointed Chuck Fan here. First let me state that I think that the show is coming back next year with the minimum episodes. I felt that Chuck vs. The Colonel was the perfect season finale in which if the show ended, you could leave satified.

    It wasn’t the finale, Chuck vs. The Ring was. I felt like Schwartz and Fedak “punked” me with the way they handled the Chuck and Sarah relationship. Instead of showing the two tell each other how they feel, they chicken out. Bryce Larkin’s death created the wedge between them. And in an interview with TV Guide, Josh Schwartz said that the Chuck and Sarah relationship is returning back to the status quo, asset and handler. What a cop out. Why do TV shows believe that if you have two love interest couple up, the show has to end?

  182. Greg Hemminger says:

    Any word on if Chad Michael Murray and Hillary Burton will be returning to One Tree Hill for a 7th season?

  183. thedemonhog says:

    They are not coming back (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00023001.html).

  184. Tony says:

    Bruce W. I read that interview he was pretty cryptic. I don’t think it can go back exactly to the way it was to much has been said/done. Probably have a secret relationship or something if it comes back. Chuck may be the asset but he becoming a spy now which puts him on more equal footing. Plus it seems to be going toward the comics in which Sarah/Chuck are married so that should give you a hint!

  185. FrankJ says:

    Bruce W., that’s not really what Schwartz said. The way he worded it, you get the impression that Chuck will have to work through mastering his new abilities (are they permanent, do they turn off, will he forget them?) before the government decides he’s a spy and not an asset who needs protection. He also said that one of the major focuses of the next season (should they have one) would be Chuck and Sarah’s relationship.

  186. Bruce W. says:

    Tony says:Bruce W. I read that interview he was pretty cryptic. I don’t think it can go back exactly to the way it was to much has been said/done. Probably have a secret relationship or something if it comes back. Chuck may be the asset but he becoming a spy now which puts him on more equal footing. Plus it seems to be going toward the comics in which Sarah/Chuck are married so that should give you a hint!

    Yes it will, which is why it was a cop out not having the two leads declare their feelings for each other before the game-changer happened. Sarah rejected Bryce(spy life) for Chuck(normal life). Now Chuck takes up the mantle for Bryce becoming the “super” Intersect. Chuck now becomes that which she just rejected. The angst will continue. (I read the comic series too.)

    The relationship pattern that JS/CF write is now predictable. Everytime Chuck and Sarah get closer, Bryce Larkin pops up and drives the wedge between them. His death leaves a BIG wedge in their relationship. Now when Jill pops up(you know it’s going to happen again), Sarah will probably declare her love for Chuck to hear himself.

    With that said, I still think the show deserves a third season. It will probably be the last season anyway.

  187. jay says:

    Others may have thought of this, but I have felt Chuck with its fan base and decent DVR numbers should be moved to a less competitive night. Couldn’t decent DVR viewing, while ambiguous from an ad point of view, justify moving a show to a night with a better lead-in and less brutal 18-49 competition? Also, I didn’t like the first two episodes of Castle and stopped watching it. But word of mouth indicates its improved a little. I tend to agree with the majority that it might get 13 new shows for fall, and is the only new ABC scripted show not an abject failure.( Survivng Suburbia with these numbers surely won’t survive.)

  188. Hiro24 says:

    Heroes & Chuck did pretty nice!! :D
    Now the wait for next season begins, hopefully Heroes can bring back
    their viewers which is unfortunately very doubtful…

  189. JohnsonWest says:

    i havent seen House under 12mil…

  190. JARVIS says:

    “Essentially, Tim Kring learned nothing from Joss Whedon–particularly not the fact that villains have to have a shelf life in order for there to be any hope at all.”

    That’s without saying. Tim Kring would learn nothing from Joss Whedon because he doesn’t care about pulling out a quality show for superhero fans. Personally, Tim Kring was not qualified to make a show about heroes in the first place. If you look at his IMDB, you would see he made three straight medical shows before deciding to be the showrunner for heroes since he didn’t want to be pigeonholed as the guy who does medical shows. Now what’s happened? People are not watching.

    Then again, that’s to be expected from a guy who has only read one comic book (Richie Rich) and who doesn’t know the difference between Magneto and Wolverine. It is shameful and sad. If Joss Whedon ran this show, I would be elated, but that’s never going to happen since he’s affiliated to FOX. As much as Bryan Fuller is a good writer, don’t expect him to run the writer’s room as Kring will probably not let that happen. Don’t forget, NBC thinks “he’s a genius.” Why else would they remove Jeff Loeb as a writer for the show?

    The saddest thing about all this is Heroes was renewed because NBC is in decline. They’ve put too much money on this show to see it fail. And since there is nothing better to watch on TV, people will keep watching it, hoping it will get better. It won’t, and NBC knows that, but they will continue to try and convince people to keep watching instead of making real changes to the show. Money is their motive, nothing more or less.

  191. Special Agent Carmichael says:

    Guys….. I know Kung Fu

  192. Special Agent Carmichael says:

    Guys….. I know Kung Fu

  193. Christi G says:

    I think NBC should cancel all Law and Orders… (arent’ they basically the same stories over and over, slightly tweeked..?… although I haven’t been watching lately)… Criminal Intent with Vincent Denofrio is pretty good I guess, only because he is such and AMAZING actor..

    They should cancel Dateline… boring, boring…

    Get rid of Earl and Kath and Kim, deffinately…

    That is at least 4 hours right there…

    Keep Chuck!!! I am totally adicted. I love Lost and 24, but Chuck is the show I REALLY look forward to each week…

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