Rock is the best host the VMAs have ever had, unafraid to skewer the guests or offer twisted introductions, such as identifying Johnny Depp as "the rich man's Skeet Ulrich." This year will mark his third year hosting; since the last time, in 1999, he has finished his Emmy-winning HBO show and made a mixed bag of movies, including Head of State. The music world has changed, too, he notes: "The only people at the same level from the first time I did the show are Justin Timberlake, Puffy and myself. I'm not here to rag on anybody, but I've seen featured performers who couldn't even get a ticket a year later."
Wasn't P. Diddy supposed to be done by now?
You would have thought so, but he's a really hardworking guy. Last year, he had the best performance at the VMAs. I was watching the show at my house, and I loved it, and I was thinking, "Aw, man, I should have hosted it." They got Guns n' Roses, and P. Diddy with the jumping-up and-down-thing. Puffy ain't going nowhere. He makes all his money off cuffs, anyway. He's just playing in the music business. Puffy makes more money off his fucking socks than most artists make off their albums. Just give me Puffy's collar money. I love that he's a designer who can't sew. Puffy, could you hem me something?
What advice do you have for 50 Cent?
Stop all this feud stuff -- it's such a waste of time. You're in! You fight when you're out; now you're in. Just relax, shut up, don't scare the girls away.
So why'd you agree to host the VMAs again?
I like this show because it's so young. Even though you get older -- I get older, I guess -- you're hip by association. They've asked me to do the Oscars a couple of times. You do that when you're old. As far as staying relevant to people, it does me more good to stand with 50 Cent than to be onstage with Sophia Loren; there's nowhere to go from there. You should just retire and play afternoon shows at Tahoe.
How do you prepare for hosting the VMAs? Do you watch a lot of Hilary Duff videos?
You keep MTV on a lot. You buy your Billboard, you buy your Source, you buy your Rolling Stone. I go berserk trying to get that last joke ready. Hosting the show is about coming out, being funny for three and a half minutes, and the rest of the night you're just introducing acts. If you can slip a joke in, fine. I've been on the road because I haven't done stand-up in almost four years.
Weren't you planning to do a big tour?
Not originally, but this is a great time to be a comedian. It's a weird political time. You see the last presidential election, or what's going on in California, it's very African. No one accepts elections in Africa: "You lost!" "No, I didn't!" Nothing means anything. So let's explore that.
Are you bringing in the writing crew from your TV show for the VMAs?
As many as I can get. Wanda [Sykes] is a big star. The last MTV awards I did, she was a writer. This time I'm going to try and get her to present. David Spade's presenting. I paged him this morning: "Yo, money, don't come to New York without some jokes. Don't think you're walking in and just sitting down."
Does MTV ever tell you that you can't say something?
Well, I never tell them what I'm going to say. But one year - what's the name of Dylan's kid?
Jakob Dylan -- the Wallflowers.
Yeah. I think what I wrote down was, "Ladies and gentlemen, trying their best not to be this year's Spin Doctors, it's the Wallflowers." And somebody from their record company read it and flipped out. I don't need that drama. What did I say with David Bowie? "Our next presenter has got a black wife. David Bowie!" [Cracks up] He comes out like, "What the hell was that?"
So no one's ever told you that you had to wear a bulletproof vest?
No, no, it's all in fun. Plus, I don't roll like that. If I rolled like Eddie Murphy '85, with a leather suit and some bodyguards, I probably would get punched in the face. I'm pretty posse-low. I'm with my wife, chillin'. I like a nice, calm backstage.
Last year Eminem started a fight with a dog puppet.
Yeah, he's so tough.
Does that make you more or less likely to say something that will wind him up a bit?
I live for that, but you don't want to dis Eminem. He doesn't even like his mother, so who knows what he'll say about you. I don't want to be the Moby on his next record: "Nobody listens to techno." That's my favorite line on that record -- lots of people listen to techno. But he said it so funny, and the timing was so perfect, I believed it.
Who are the funniest rappers?
Eminem is kind of funny. Ludacris is hysterical. That's what's missing in rap: wit. LL had a wit about him. Rap needs a young guy like Will Smith, or the Fat Boys. I want Slick Rick to get out of jail, because I want him to open up my tour. [Checks e-mail on his pager] This is Spade's message: "Hey, hey. Just do whatever you do and add 'fuck.' It'll kill."
Johnny Cash is seventy and he's up for six VMAs.
Yeah, that video is incredible. Rick Rubin's one of my best friends. He was taking suggestions for the album: "You know any songs about death?"
How did you and Rick hook up?
I wanted him to do my album, and he said no, but we started hanging out. I want to be Dr. Dre, he wants to be George Harrison -- because George Harrison produced Monty Python. I love Rick, and he always lets me hear stuff first. I bumped into Chris Cornell and I said, "How's your album?" He said, "I'm sure you heard it before me." And I had. I probably fucked up mentioning it; now Rick won't play me anything.
What's Rick working on now?
Weezer and Jay-Z. I heard some of the Jay-Z stuff -- it's fucking incredible. They recorded something I suggested, I might get a little A&R on that. I don't know if it made the cut yet, and I don't want to jinx it.
Do you have an iPod?
I got a music iPod and a comedy iPod. One is all comedy and spoken word, every speech, Kennedy, Martin Luther King, whatever.
When are you in the mood to listen to Winston Churchill?
When I'm on tour, when I'm getting ready. There's a lot of preachers in there, a lot of gospel stuff, a lot of stand-up. What I do, what a preacher does, what the president's doing, it's all the same -- you're picking your topic, and you're arguing your point. The president's trying to get an applause break; I'm trying to get a laugh. The preacher's trying to get an amen.
Do you think Bush is good at that?
He's OK. Clinton was the best. They all just read the prompter. But you can go back and watch it: Clinton could have a speech on a podium, look down, look up and look you in the eye for ten seconds before he goes back. Bush has a speech on the podium, looks down, can't do more than three-four seconds without looking back down. The average guy can do only a few seconds. When Ashcroft was doing
What do you think of Bush in general?
Uh, you know, I don't want to get Dixie Chicked. We're at war -- comedy sucks. People are dying every day, and they're talking about we need to get our lawyers to see if we can get an amendment so that gays can't get married.
Where are the weapons of mass destruction?
I don't think they have any. The whole country's blown the fuck up, people are hungry, they have no water. If they had weapons, I think they'd point them out. If you have some Kool-Aid and a biscuit, an Iraqi will tell you anything you want to know. Hungry people are really honest.
What does Kobe Bryant need to do now?
Buy some condoms and call Johnnie Cochran.
Any chance of you getting Punk'd?
Probably not. I'm not going to get all flustered just because an accountant called. "You have no money!" Yeah, right. To show me getting Punk'd, show me talking shit -- "I wish somebody would step in my face" -- and then have a guy step in my face and beat me up and watch me cry like a bitch.
Is it a good idea to have a youngster such as Avril Lavigne nominated for an award at the same show as R. Kelly?
Innocent until proven guilty, I guess.
Yeah, but do you actually think he's innocent?
The guy I saw on the tape looked a lot like R. Kelly. But you know me, maybe I was drinking. Maybe I have cataracts.
Any up-and-coming comics you like?
My brother, Tony Rock. But comedy's a dying art. Old days, it took a guy ten years to get a shot on television. Now you get a shot a year in, so nobody develops. TV kills comedy, and movies kill rap. Ice Cube is the greatest artist of our time. Late Eighties, early Nineties, when Ice Cube hated white people and did his thing, he was the greatest. Now he just does his movies and they're all right. Comedians, coschmedians -- me personally, I stole more from Ice Cube than from any artist.
Give me one lift.
"Niggas vs. Black People" [on 1997's Roll With the New] is "Us" from Ice Cube's Death Certificate: "We will always sing the blues/Because all we talk about is hairstyles and tennis shoes." I took his song and made a joke out of it. My biggest joke is an Ice Cube album track. DMX -- he had three great records, and he started doing the movies, man. God bless him, he's probably making more money than he's ever made in his life. LL Cool J, arguably the greatest rapper who ever lived, is doing movies. No one can do two things great.
You could say the same about you. You kill in stand-up, but -
Guess what? I'm doing a stand-up show. It's good to go on tour and just be funny and be pure. Right now, with what's going on in the country, we need a mean Ice Cube album. I would love a great LL album, I would love a great DMX album. Because I feed off that stuff! I listen to them, and then I write jokes. So now, you know, I'm listening to Coldplay.
(August 13, 2003)