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Affliction's third event takes place Aug. 1, Emelianko vs. Barnett headlines

Affliction's long-awaited and constantly changing third card is expected to take place Aug. 1, according to MMA FanHouse.

As expected, the main event will feature Fedor Emelianenko (30-1) vs. fellow heavyweight Josh Barnett (24-5), and official announcement could come in the next few days, according to the report.

As ( reported earlier this month after speaking with Affliction Vice President Tom Atencio, the show will take place at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif.

The same venue hosted the organization's first two shows: "Banned" in July 2008 and "Day of Reckoning" in January.

The Emelianenko vs. Barnett matchup was an early favorite to headline the Aug. 1 card. Atencio first mentioned it as a possibility after both fighters won their respective bouts at January's Affliction card. (Emelianenko defeated Andrei Arlovski with a first-round TKO, and Barnett scored a third-round TKO over a resilient Gilbert Yvel.)

On the May edition of Radio, Atencio hinted at the match-up.

"It's the fight I want," Atencio said of Emelianenko vs. Barnett. "We're working on it."

Atencio also said he's working on a Paul Buentello vs. Tim Sylvia match-up. He'd also like to see Chris Horodecki vs. Dan Lauzon, though he said it could be a tough one to sign since Horodecki already has a fight planned for July.

For continued coverage of Affliction's third event, stay tuned to the MMA Rumors section of

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jfearsnone on May 21, 2009 at 10:35 am ET
Wow bout time we had a set date. Fedor is going to tool Barnett. Love Barnett but he's no match for Fedor. Think Fedor sold his soul to be that good, the guys unreal.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 10:40 am ET
That will make what...the SIXTH ex-UFC HW Champion that Fedor has destroyed?

Haha. That is great.

TFK on May 21, 2009 at 10:47 am ET
Yeah, nobody screams UFC Poster Boy quite like Josh Barnett.


NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 10:50 am ET
Yeah, he isn't as big of a UFC poster boy as Arlovski or Sylvia.

I'll admit that...But Barnett was a UFC Champion just the same.

TFK on May 21, 2009 at 11:03 am ET
I just think the whole UFC Haters vs. UFC and nothing else 'war' is stupid. If you're a true fan of MMA, you love the UFC. And if you're a true fan of MMA, you love other organizations as well. But to make it sound like Fedor beating Barnett is somehow getting one over on Dana White and the UFC is just retarded.


carp on May 21, 2009 at 11:11 am ET

AfflictionJones on May 21, 2009 at 11:41 am ET

Nomicsfighter on May 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm ET

fmf68 on May 21, 2009 at 1:33 pm ET
RF.....................................RAT FINK!

suck_my_aoki on May 21, 2009 at 1:51 pm ET

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TheHaunted13 on May 21, 2009 at 4:48 pm ET
sorry to add this


broncojd78 on May 21, 2009 at 5:18 pm ET


gmd on May 21, 2009 at 5:59 pm ET

nigel_foe on May 21, 2009 at 8:00 pm ET

nigel_foe on May 21, 2009 at 8:00 pm ET
... wait

AfflictionJones on May 21, 2009 at 8:13 pm ET

ConspiracyWilly on May 21, 2009 at 9:42 pm ET

rncmychicken on May 21, 2009 at 9:43 pm ET

NickHavok on May 22, 2009 at 7:43 am ET

reducedjuice on May 21, 2009 at 7:22 pm ET

cbchea on May 21, 2009 at 9:28 pm ET

Tech-Nition on May 21, 2009 at 10:10 pm ET

Tech-Nition on May 21, 2009 at 10:11 pm ET
who down wit     OPP?

AFQ on May 22, 2009 at 12:09 am ET

Theocrat on May 22, 2009 at 12:25 am ET

jfearsnone on May 22, 2009 at 12:43 am ET

Majestyk1976 on May 21, 2009 at 11:13 am ET
Exactly how I feel.  Nick just needs to give it up.  I will admit Fedor is the best HW possibly ever, but I'd like to see him fight in a cage just once.  Totally different than  fighting in a ring.

mmablaster on May 21, 2009 at 11:16 am ET
I really hope this event actually goes and doesn't get postponed.  Good move to not go head to head with UFC 100.  It would be nice to see Fedor fight Aug 1 and then on NYE.


JasonFahQ on May 21, 2009 at 11:42 am ET
Fedor must be totally upset he isn't going to get to fight a 185lbs Vitor like he wanted. Don't worry Fedor you have another has-been to beat so that your fans can still think you're the best thing ever.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 11:55 am ET
I believe the MMA experts agree that he is the best thing ever as well.


CobraKai on May 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm ET
Barnett is no joke.  I would not consider him a has been at all.

eddyr2ofanaheim on May 21, 2009 at 1:28 pm ET
he is the man when he is on roids

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 1:28 pm ET
No kidding.

What is Barnett ranked? #2 or #3 in the world right now?

Also, I know one thing Barnett has been...and that a UFC Heavyweight Champion.


NickHav0k on May 21, 2009 at 1:47 pm ET
a UFC Heavyweight Champion who was stripped immediately for a positive steroid test...not really a Champion

eddyr2ofanaheim on May 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm ET
Yep! He robbed Randy!

I have said it once and I’ll say it again…You people hate on Brock cause he WAS professional wrestler and MAY HAVE used roids…But you people love Josh who is STILLis a professional wrestler and DID use roids!!!!!!!!!!!

That make no sence!!!!!!!

Hky2525 on May 21, 2009 at 2:26 pm ET
At least the UFC does test for Steroids etc.  Unlike Pride where your hero/man crush has fought for years.  And Barnett has fought way more in Pride/Japan than in the UFC.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 2:29 pm ET
The UFC only tests fighters when they run overseas cards in countries where there are no sanctioning bodies.

Here in the states, the athletic commissions handle all the drug testing.

But what's wrong with steroids anyway? Everyone should be allowed to use them :)

machinegun on May 21, 2009 at 1:55 pm ET
Ranked by  who? WAMMA??
The guys who descriminate against UFC fighters based on the fact that the UFC wont recognize their bs commission.

He beats Yvel and becomes #2?
I wont go so far as to say that he sucks, but hes getting too much respect at this point in career.
Personally I'd put him behind a lot of guys..
I think Mir, Lesnar, Randy, Carwin, and Gonzaga beat him. I think AA, Cain and Nog would give him a run for his $ as well.

rush16 on May 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm ET
I say Barnett is way overrated, like you said I can name quite a few HW's that would probably beat him. I mean Fedor's last 2 fights were awsome with some pretty impressive finishes. Barnett on the other hand has looked slow and sluggish in his last 2 fights against guys who werent even in the top 10 so I dont see how Barnett can be ranked either at #2 or #3 at HW. Unfortunatly after he gets destroyed by Fedor people still wont realize how overrated this guy is. At least Affliciton is giving the fans the fight they wanna see before they go bankrupt.

hdf561 on May 21, 2009 at 9:11 pm ET

Barnett is definetly top 5....He will lose to Fedor and he would lose to Mir and lesnar but he could take Carwin, Cain, Gonzaga. Him an AA would be a close fight and him and Nog have fought in the past and they both hold wins over the other. He would also own Rothwell and TIMAH just to round out guys that are considered top 10.

I dig Barnett but he has very little chance of beating Fedor.


AFQ on May 22, 2009 at 12:13 am ET

So you are saying Mir, Lesnar, Randy, Carwin and Gonzaga are better than AA and Nog, or is it a matchup thing?

Obey_Giant_Silva on May 21, 2009 at 6:34 pm ET
Who is better?  Mir? No chance! , a still green (yet promising) Randy (coming off a loss) Lesnar?  Kongo?  Does he need to beat Nog again to get credit from you.Please!  Give the man credit.  He is a bonafide badass!  Josh is no slouch either.  I honestly think this is the best heavyweight fight that can be made in any MMA org.  I'm not a hater either...check my cable bill.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 6:39 pm ET
yeah true now he just has another top 10 HW former ufc champ to beat the crap out of like he did the last 2 times.

absolutemonster on May 21, 2009 at 3:10 pm ET
It'd be great to see it at another venue...I mean if you really want to make the company grow, hosting it in the same spot as the other two event doesn't seem like the best move.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 11:38 am ET
 Very well put TFK. Nick takes any oppurtunity to bash the UFC no matter how little the storyhas to do with the UFC. I seiously doubt Dana White cares how many EX UFC champs Fedor beats, he's only worried about current UFC heavyweights as he should be.

JasonFahQ on May 21, 2009 at 11:45 am ET
Yeah, Nick won't be happy until Dana makes the worst career move ever and has a cross promotion fight.  If Fedor is happy beating Ex-UFC Champions than so be it, but the key part of Ex-Champion is the EX, not the Champion.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 11:47 am ET
Really? You think the only reason I dislike Dana White is because he won't cross-promote?

Excuse me while I laugh now...

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 11:45 am ET
Please tell me Mr. Lodune Sincaid fan, how did I bash the UFC right here?

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm ET

 I think its pretty obvious Mr. Anything but UFC fan. What did you intend to do by pointing out that this will be the 6th ex ufc champ that Fedopr has beaten & laugh & say how great it is? Not too many ways that can be interpreted.

 But as someone has already pointed out the key part of ex ufc champ is EX.


NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm ET
No, actually the key word there is CHAMP.

It is far more of an accomplishment than being the ex-champ.

Besides, two of those former champs (who Fedor beatdown a total of 4 times) are still employed by the UFC and getting main card PPV fights.

I'm talking about Nogueira and Coleman.

Fedor wiped the ground with both men. 2x each.

So what were you saying LodunceSincaid4life?

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm ET

"No, actually the key word there is CHAMP.

It is far more of an accomplishment than being the ex-champ"
 You realized you just completely proved my point & contradicted yourself right smart guy?

 Your exactly right in most cases CHAMP is the key word. And Fedor has never beaten a UFC CHAMP while he was the CHAMP. the word ex is always in front of the champs that Fedor beats.

 And Yes he beat Big Nog when he was in his prime which is a hell of an accomplishment but it has absolutely nothing to do with him not fighting in the UFC. There are alot mor heavies in the UFC than Nog. And the fighters arent his only problem, his erratic fight schedule & his tendancy to beat up on nobodies every now & then are why people question him. Get in the Octagon, win the belt, your the best of all time Fedor, its that simple. And thanks again for helping prove my point.


Gemineye on May 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm ET

Okay so all the opponents UFC champs beat are current right?
Except for the interim crap that's going on right now all champions are beating ex champs or new contenders. So how does your third paragraph make any sense at all?

You all rip on Nick for having a different POW, when you just basically said that to be a true champ you've got to be the UFC champ.

Let Dana White spoon feed you a little bit more. Does he wipe the food off your face as well?


VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 1:27 pm ET

 I don't really get your post. How does the point that the current UFC champ fights ex champs & contenders have anything to do with the fact that Fedor has neve fought a UFC champion while he had the title or any UFC compeitor at all for that matter.

 My point is until Fedor fights in the UFC & captures the tite he will only be known as the greatest heavyweight to nevr fighht in the UFC instead of th greatest heavyweight ever.

 Your post has nothing to do with anything Nick or I said.
 Now you let Nick Havok spoon feed you some more big guy.


eng1ine on May 21, 2009 at 5:24 pm ET
heres what i dont get about all these UFC bashers... the UFC is with out a doubt the top promotion out there.  we dont call AFL football players the world granted there maybe some guys out there who play in the AFL or the European leagues that can hang with the NFL players, but until they do they are not held in the same regard...if Fedor is the best then stop fighting for a sidline circus show an come fight in the real deal...If he is a true champ then it wouldnt be all about the will come just go in there an bash some guys.   I will never understand why people hate Dana so much....who cares if he cusses, thats his way.  what that man has accomplished is unreal. give him his props, stop hating on him. an for the love of God Fedor get over yourself and go fight for the top organzition.

raysup on May 21, 2009 at 10:34 pm ET
You Fedor bashers kill me...

Vanilla, who is the greatest heavyweight of all time then, if it isn't Fedor?  Answer me that.

I will then proceed to laugh at you.

Since when does a fighter have to fight in the UFC to be classified as the greatest ever?  I love the UFC but I have never understood this logic.

AFQ on May 22, 2009 at 12:24 am ET
The UFC is the biggest MMA organization in the world, and overall, it has the better fighters.
Fedor is the greatest MMA fighter of our era.
And I'm sorry, I like the UFC, but why the hell does Fedor has to go sign with an organization to fight a guy with 4 pro fights to prove he's the best???
Brock has a shot, I won't deny it: but he's the underdog against Fedor. I mean, would you tell Nadal or Federer to travel to Africa or Asia to beat
an up and comer that has a shot at beating them? Would you tell Tiger (when he was in his prime) to go to South America because there will be a
new golfer that could beat him?
I think, whether you like him or not, Fedor deserves a lot more respect for what he has accomplished. If Brock or Frank wanted to prove they're the
best in the world, THEY should be looking for Fedor, not otherwise.

dwenger1 on May 22, 2009 at 10:19 am ET
people dont bash nick for havinga  different POV... people bash nick because because he's over the top, and half of his posts can be considered trolling. If he didnt try to force his opinions down people's throats, and bash dana and the UFC all day, maybe it wouldnt be so bad to actually hold an intelligent debate with him.

And the fact of the matter is AA is the only RECENT  win for Fedor over someone who was still even relevant in the UFC. No one can say that Sylvia was relevant anymore, and to say anything about barnett and the UFC is really reaching for something to bash the UFC about.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 6:14 pm ET
 "And Yes he beat Big Nog when he was in his prime which is a hell of an accomplishment but it has absolutely nothing
to do with him not fighting in the UFC. "

yes we know that but it's one of his many great accomplishments.
which no current UFC HW could do to Nog if he were still in his prime.

"There are alot mor heavies in the UFC than Nog. "

now yes as he has a lot of damaged miles on him.

" And the fighters arent his only problem, his erratic fight schedule & his tendancy to beat up on nobodies every now
& then are why people question him."

no actually it's people who know very little about him that question him being the best. this would include :
WWE fans, people who know very little of mma, people who only know mma via the ufc.
It is these people that produce dangerously high levels of UFC (UninformedFanCrap) the same way CFC once
contributed to global warming UFC is a major contributor to mma dumbing.

LAS on May 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm ET
Yeah, and the other two, Arlovski and Sylvia, are getting main card fights for Affliction, so what's your f**king point?

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm ET

 I'm not sure if your comment was directed at me but I don't see how Sylvia & Arlovski getting main card fights for Affliction have anything to do with my post.

 But just to respond to you being on an Affliction card isn't really saying a whole lot. Every UFC PPV has fighters on the un-televised prelims that could be on th main card for Affliction in a heartbeat. but they understand that fighting in the UFC is the pinnacle of any fighters career & they want to be challenged by he best.


NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm ET
My point is that Fedor hasn't beat a bunch of has-beens.

He has beaten 5 ex-UFC champs a total of 7 times.

2 of those fighters (Coleman & Noguiera) are still at the top of the game in the UFC. So how could they be washed-up? Not to mention Fedor beat each of those guys 2x each.

2 of the others (Sylvia & Arlovski) both asked for their release from the they were not UFC-throw-aways or anything like that. They were just unhappy with the company and wanted to move on.

The only champ Fedor has beaten who isn't really that good was Kevin Randleman. And he wasn't so much of a has-been as a never-was.

But regardless, you will be seeing him in a few weeks on the main portion of the Strikeforce card. So he must not be that bad. Right?

I mean that is a lot of action from some fighters who the Fedor-haters want to claim are has-beens.


VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm ET

 You saying mark Coleman is at the top of the game in the UFC just completely took all legitimacy from this post & pretty much any other post on this subject. Seriously dude, top of the game??

 He has name recognition, probably even more than Fedor in the U.S. that is why he is on the televised PPV card, that and he's kind of being fed to Bonner or at least thats what the UFC hopes. Coleman was a great fighter in his day. He was a great fighter when Fedor beat him. But his days of greatness are far behind now.

 And fighting on the main card of a Strikeforce card really doesnt ay alot either when it comes to Randleman. I'm not saying Strikeforce isnta grat org. But Randleman is on he card fro the same reasonas Coleman, name recignition which he gained by fighting in the UFC.

 War Logan Sincaid!!


NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 1:12 pm ET
Your going to pay to see him. Right?

I mean, if you pull a main card slot at a UFC PPV then you are where 95% of other MMA fighters dream of being.

I'd say you are at the top.

Gemineye on May 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm ET
I hear you there and I like your posts, but you damn well know that Coleman isn't at the top. They just do that for Legends like Royce Gracie. Doesn't mean you're at the top though.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 1:31 pm ET
 Really Nick??  I've never seen you grasping for straws like you are now. Im not even gonna respond to this post. I think your post speaks for itself.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 2:09 pm ET
You just did respond though.

RIGGINS on May 21, 2009 at 3:19 pm ET
Dude, you're weakening by the second.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Coleman just fight at 205?  is THAT really the move of a HW who is still a major player? 

Even your debating opponent agreed that Fedor beating Nog and Coleman (when he did) was significant, but don't keep firing back with weak statements of how those two guys are currently relevant in the UFC HW title picture. 

The unfortunate thing is that Fedor is beating people who aren't good enough to be relevant in the current UFC HW title hunt.  I am a huge Arlovsky fan, and would agree that he could be in the top 5 in the UFC, but that's the ONLY significant win Fedor has had in a while. 

Brian731 on May 21, 2009 at 3:30 pm ET
Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt Coleman vs. Bonnar on the undercard

Nomicsfighter on May 21, 2009 at 1:13 pm ET
Are you two married?

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 2:11 pm ET

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 2:30 pm ET
 Sumbitch got half of everything I woned in the settlement too. Guess thats what I get for hiring a divorce lawyer  that advertised his firm on the side of a city bus. DOH!

TheDragonFan on May 21, 2009 at 4:52 pm ET
The woman always gets half!

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 5:23 pm ET

WCMMA217 on May 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm ET
Nick just proved that he is not only a burn out, but he knows sh*t about MMA.  LMAO... Coleman is top of the UFC... what a retarded statement.

JP on May 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm ET
Coleman was more in his prime when Fedor beat him so I am not disputing that part of it, however if you really think Coleman is still at the top of the game you are delusional. Nog is still at the top of the heap but he is no longer in his prime either, but a hell of a lot closer than Coleman is. Also there was a fight that Fedor should have lost to Nog but they decided to call it a no contest instead due to a cut. Last time I checked a cut that causes the fight to be stopped is a loss. Yes I know it was an accidental headbutt that caused the ruling but how come Rampage got the win over Arona for KO'ing him with a headbutt. A lot of people like to say it was the powerbomb, but it was actually the headbutt he gave him from the follow through of the powerbomb that KO'd him. Seems like a double standard because it was thier golden boy who was going to have a loss on his record. There are many other fights that were not stopped after cuts from headbutts occured that the same fighters lost later on in the fight from doctor stoppages resulting from the cut the originated from the headbutts. I am not arguing that Fedor is the best HW currently and probably ever, just pointing out some things.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm ET
Top of the game = UFC main card PPV fight.

Not top of his game.

I'm just saying Mark Coleman must be somewhat relevant to the scene if we are still paying to watch him fight.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 1:33 pm ET
 nice attempt to back peddle out of your statement. Still doesn't fly though.
 Coleman earned his spot on the card with passed accomplishments inside the octagon. Name recognition Nick, its called business buddy.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 1:58 pm ET

It was more of a clarification for those who couldn't read it right the first time I posted it.

But man, I could have sworn UFC Hall of Famer Mark Coleman just took the Shogun nearly the distance in their fight of the night winning PPV bout not too long ago.

...but go ahead and keep bashing UFC fighters if you must :)

CanadianCrippler on May 21, 2009 at 2:13 pm ET
Coleman is lucky Shogun was severely out of shape.

Shogun is lucky he wasnt fighting any other LHW who would have been in shape and not 85 years old trying their first 205 weight cut.

It was a pathetic excuse for a fight, and trying to talk up Coleman because he took Shogun near the distance is a joke. Forrest Pillowhands might have knocked him out this time with the cardio Shogun displayed.

Next you will say, they won fight of the night, and due to that are next in line for a title shot. lol

Coleman isnt on the main card with Bonner so cant be on TOP anymore by the looks of it as well.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 2:35 pm ET
 Save yourself the trouble man. Nick just keeps repeating the same nonsense over & over even though every poster on this site prety much has pointed out the numerous flaws in his arguement. Sometime he actually has a valid point to go along with his UFC bashing. This however is not one of those occasions. 

CanadianCrippler on May 21, 2009 at 5:34 pm ET
But i hear trolls love bananas, and ive got baskets full to go around!


JP on May 21, 2009 at 3:11 pm ET
Wow Nick, that is the second article today where multiple people have "misread your comments". Maybe it is you who mistypes them, or maybe you just need to think before you speak at some point. Don't you think simply the number of people that constantly call out your buffoonary sould tell you something?

rush16 on May 21, 2009 at 2:00 pm ET
Coleman is on the undercard at UFC, and IM definitly not paying to watch because of Coleman lol. Coleman is at the top of the game in the UFC is a joke.

s00nertp on May 21, 2009 at 7:32 pm ET
+1 for NickHavok

give it a rest guys. We all know Fedor is a mean mofo & in the top 5 of the pfp best fighters in the world. 

Not really related to Nicks post:
I think Josh Barnett can win this very easily since he is dangerous everywhere and has decent strategy.

raysup on May 21, 2009 at 11:58 pm ET
How is it possible to headbutt someone when your head is locked in a triangle choke?  LOL

phxaz on May 21, 2009 at 1:55 pm ET
Actually I would even say Kevin Randleman was a pretty damn good fighter.  I just rewatched him knock out my boy Cro Cop with that left hook and heavy GnP.  Pretty impressive.

HugeMMAFan on May 21, 2009 at 2:47 pm ET
"2 of those fighters (Coleman & Noguiera) are still at the top of the game in the UFC. So how could they be washed-up?" Hey Nick, I'm not sure a lot of people would agree that Coleman is "still" at the top of his game. Heath almost Ko'd Nog in the first round but ill advised to give him time to recover and lost his oppertunity to finish it then. Beating Silvia wasnt a huge upset, I think Silvia has always been over rated. I think I get what you meant but honestly the UFC has them on cards because they are legends and a huge draw JMO.

absolutemonster on May 21, 2009 at 3:15 pm ET
I don't think anyone here hates Fedor. They just hate you.

leben2009 on May 21, 2009 at 2:04 pm ET
Basically  Hendo was a UFC champion (winning both fights at UFC 17) before he went to PRIDE but I still look at Hendo as a PRIDE fighter first (we all know Wandy fought in the UFC as well). BTW...I don't think anyone doubts Fedors ability (if they do then they are blind) but Sylvia was considered a joke in the UFC even when he was champion (most of us have laughed at the UFC HW division up until here recently).

eddyr2ofanaheim on May 21, 2009 at 11:10 am ET
And by poster boy you mean get busted for roids

eddyr2ofanaheim on May 21, 2009 at 11:17 am ET
and he is still a prowrestler!

Keyser_Soze on May 21, 2009 at 10:49 am ET
Enter a bunch of people discounting the wins because they didn't happen under the UFC banner...    

123repeater on May 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm ET
By the time Fedor faces these ex-UFC fighters they are passed their peak has-beens. Or, in some cases they never were.

Affliction =  AA minor leagues  UFC = Major leagues. Fedor is a big fish in a small pond.

ThiagoTKOSilva on May 21, 2009 at 4:26 pm ET
I agree with you man... Back then, the UFC's HW division was a complete joke except for Couture and maybe a few others, that's why Sylvia and Arlovski were able to be champions.  They beat a bunch of nobodies like Cabbage, Ellers, O'Brien and what not.  Seriously, look at the guys these two have beaten in the UFC.  Their resumes are a complete joke.  When Sylvia fought great UFC fighters like Mir and Couture that's when he would lose.  He could only beat lesser fighters.  They may be ranked high, but that's just because they fought under the biggest MMA promotion, the UFC. 

Now, we're ALL interested in the UFC's HW division.  Now the UFC's HW division is actually stacked and interesting.  Now the UFC's current HW division is actually talented.  I don't see Fedor beating any of the UFC's CURRENT! (not past) top HW's.  Who cares if he beats FORMER champs.  What's the point of beating the former champ?  Doesn't everyone want to beat the current champion and current top contenders, not past?  Now I'm not saying Fedor is overrated or anything like that... I do think Fedor is the best HW in the world, but to say he should get more praise and he should get even more hype because he beats EX and over the hill UFC champions is just stupid in my opinion. 

jadrig on May 21, 2009 at 7:42 pm ET
you are right!!!

What if Kimbo Slice beat Ken Shamrock???

What about Tank Abbott???

You cannot compare Athletes from the past (in almost any sport) with present day athletes.

I am sure that Tito and Ken Shamrock were a little better when they were younger, but the bottom line is that they settled into their game while the Current UFC past them up.

If a fighter fights once a yeara, I dont care if its GSP, Brock Lesnar, or Fedor, the game will pass them by with a quickness.

raysup on May 21, 2009 at 10:50 pm ET
To compare Big Nog, Arlovski, and even Sylvia to present day Shamrock or Tank Abbott is a joke.  Don't ever do that again.

goodewend on May 21, 2009 at 8:52 pm ET
i'll say this... in a polite way... you do not have a damn clue what you are talking about. Leave the forum, please do not post again. You say Fedor cannot beat ufc's top HW's and then say he is the best HW in the world.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 6:52 pm ET
Really? then why before the AA/Fedor fight couture said " arlovski looks sharper then ever"?
Ever would include when he was the UFC champ.

and as always the standard question that so far has not been given and answer to this day. Name the person
in the ufc that could beat fedor?

JunkieOverDog on May 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm ET
Right, because UFC HW's are just marvelous. Fedor is meeting a guy who lost to Nog and was beaten down 3 times by Cro-Cop. Wow, what a win this will be for Fedor. I mean, wow!

Josh Barnett is the most overratted fighter in MMA today. Losing 3 times to CroCop and yet being ranked as the #2 overall HW in the world is frivolous. Barnett is a fighter who has benefited from not having to face the new UFC HW division. When Barnett was the UFC Champion the division was laughably mediocre to pathetic, at that time Ricco & Barnett were juicing which likely aided in there wins over Couture. Other than Couture and the 2 juicers, the divisions top talent consisted of the great Gan McGee and Wesley "Cabbage" Correira. Let's face it, being the UFC HW Champ in 2005 was like winning the Masters without Tiger Woods in the tornament.

Barnett's beiggest wins since 2006 are a decision over Monson, a SD victory over Big Nog (he lost the rematch) and a submission win over Aleks. Besides those wins Barnett has beaten a list of C level fighters who don't even crack the top 25.


phxaz on May 21, 2009 at 2:08 pm ET
I don't get it, if they would have announced that Fedor was fighting anyone other than Barnett, then everyone would be complaining that he isn't fighting the best competition available.  Now that he is fighting arguably the #2 ranked heavyweight, people start saying...well Barnett isn't even that good blah blah blah...basically it is impossible to keep these types of people happy at all.  So it is fruitless to argue.  I am just happy to see Fedor fight in the U.S. again, against a guy who I have watched fight very well over the last few years, who's ranked top 5, and who is still in his prime.  This is also a fighter who Fedor has never fought before which is a plus.  This is a win-win situation for MMA fans.

Brian731 on May 21, 2009 at 3:35 pm ET
Great "Tiger" metaphore

sealyaxe on May 21, 2009 at 4:10 pm ET
I'm probably an asshole for saying this, but that was a simile and not a metaphor.

It was a fantastic simile, though.

fmf68 on May 21, 2009 at 1:41 pm ET
I guess I just dont see Barnett as a walk in the park for anybody,and I also guess Fedor is not taking him lightly.With all the roid talk and ex ufc wash  out etc I see Josh as a real chalange.

ArtofRuin on May 21, 2009 at 3:37 pm ET
theres a reason why they are all EX ufc  fighters/ champions.....can you say washed up.  so keep feeding fedor washed up  ufc fighters..of course he will win, barnett is probably the best out of all the other ex ufc fighters fedor has beat...we all know you hate the ufc...but to make a statement like you did and try and make it sound like  fedor is beating all the great ufc heavy amateurish on your part...the guys dont fight in the ufc cause they couldnt hang.. with out them there is noone except japanese fighters and no name heavy wieghts  to fight fedor (the greatest heavy wieght ever) cant sell a seat with just fedor  beating on guys noone knows. the only way to test fedor is for him to be more about fighting then a pay check and  join the ufc and fight the best  current HW's in the world...

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 11:47 am ET
Yes, about time we have a set date.  Now, UFC, its your turn to counter!  LOL

Can't wait...

streetfighter on May 21, 2009 at 3:22 pm ET
People are on here posting as if the fight has already been fought and Fedor has already won. I guess Barnett shouldnt even bother huh? What a joke. Now I really hope Barnett wins this fight. I have nothing against Fedor, I am just sick to death of all his retarded fans who dont have anything intelligent to say, they just give the guy credit for a victory that has yet to happen. Its a fight and anything can happen. I would give Barnett a better chance to win against Fedor than Arlovski.

scartissue on May 21, 2009 at 3:41 pm ET
AWESOME!!!! Great fight--there seems to be some Affliction haters but I think they've put together 2 great pervious cards and I'm sure this will be a great card as well. Three intriging fights so far, hopefully Vitor gets on there. I bet UFC wll air UFC 100 for free on Spike, I'm debating wheather to purchase it. I may just head over at one of the many UFC viewing parties for 5-10 bucks and then record the replay when this is on live.

Crosser on May 21, 2009 at 4:12 pm ET

Lets look at it like this...

You all want Fedor to come to the UFC to fight guys like Brock and Cain Velasquez, Mir, and Nogueira,
If Cain fought the same guys he's fought but not under the UFC banner and fought Fedor at the next Affliction show you all would be saying he was fighting a complete can. 

If Brock was still fighting for K1 and was 3-1 and fighting Fedor next you all would say hes a freakshow pro wrestler. 

Mir stated he couldnt beat Fedor.  

Nogueira got beat by Fedor twice already


Sniper71 on May 21, 2009 at 4:48 pm ET
Actually during a recent interview with Mir on MMAfix Mir stated that he could beat Fedor.  They asked him if Fedor was the best heavyweight and he said "He has a better record than me but is he the best? I don't know about that.  Can I beat him?   Yea definately I can."

sealyaxe on May 21, 2009 at 7:51 pm ET
I just saw an interview where Mir said he wanted to get hit in the face by Fedor.  Really.  He said, "I should be getting punched in the face by Fedor.  How come these other guys get to and not me.  It's not fair." 

Don't let the quotation marks fool you, I was paraphrasing, but that was the gist of what he was saying.  I was surprised, because I had also heard that he said he couldn't beat Fedor.  Maybe he still believes that and wants to test himself against the best.

AFQ on May 22, 2009 at 12:33 am ET
That's probably the smartest comment in this whole tread.

gmd on May 21, 2009 at 5:57 pm ET
I think he really did sell his soul me and a friend were talking about that the other day. Probably true!

chadMMA on May 21, 2009 at 6:04 pm ET
I think this is just a bluf for when ufc counters this wiht a fight night, BAM! Affliction is just like syk!
Fedor vs Mike Tyson next week bitches!
Co-Headlin Dana White vs Tom Atencio?/?

GhostofMaulwalker on May 21, 2009 at 10:35 am ET
Calendar circled.  Looking forward to it.

abc0331 on May 21, 2009 at 10:41 am ET
I really like the guy. Great skills heart and personality. He has the true make-up of a champion.

just wonder how quickly his bandwagon will fall apart once he is defeated at some point.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 10:44 am ET
Oh man. There are TONS of Zuffa Juicers out there that are just dying to see Fedor lose.

When he finally does (and he will one day, everyone loses) they are going to have a field day with it.

But regardless. Look what Fedor has already done. He has nothing else to prove in my opinion.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 10:52 am ET
I disagree.... Zuffa juicers are looking for Fedor to win so there is no one else to beat outside of the UFC

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 10:59 am ET
I don't see the logic in that.

As long as Fedor keeps winning he will remain the best fighter in the world.

...and this really bugs the UFC faithful to know that they don't have him.

So no, the sooner Fedor loses, the sooner all those guys can justify to themselves (and I'm sure the rest of the world) that Fedor wasn't any good to begin with. It will give them ammo to support Dana's dumbass claim that "Fedor sucks."

ZzZ on May 21, 2009 at 11:02 am ET
Thank god you can read minds or else we would have no idea what those scoundrel UFC faithful are always up to and plotting.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 11:06 am ET

Who is left to fight??? outside of the UFC?

This is like being the greatest football player ever but playing in the CFL... 

Does Fedor have anything else to prove??  Personally I think he has proven that he is the greatest in the world, but I still think that he needs to fight the best in the world or retire. 

If you put Peyton Manning in the CFL he would instantly look more dominant and to say that the UFC does not have any challenges for Fedor would be a gross understatement. 

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 11:27 am ET
That makes absolutely no sense at all. lol comparing UFC and the NFL. I didnt know the UFC had all the best fighters in the world. They have most but not all. Outside the UFC there are better HW's anyways. ALso the NFL has all the best players they can get and pay in the millions.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 11:51 am ET
I believe they have 75-85% of the best fighters in the world... Maybe the CFL vs NFL is a bad comparison.... I am not well versed on the CFL, but it is a secondary league regardless of nuances in the game.

You sound a little angry... Remember we are at the inception of this sport... Fighters are already making millions 

Who are these Heavyweights you allude to?  I honestly can not think of one...    

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 11:52 am ET
The Pitt Bull and Sylvia, but he has already beaten those guys/

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 11:54 am ET
lol nah far from I just make it seem that way when i type. Probably even more then 85% atm. Thats the problem I think the HW division is weak overall. In and outside the UFC. Most the ones in UFC are new and being hyped up like no tommorow. Fedor bascilly made alot of people look like Cans and thats why everyone questions him sadly.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
HW divisions in combat sports are always weak or seemingly weak...  But, most of the best are still in the UFC

Who are these other HW outside the UFC that you allude to though??

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm ET
AA, Sylvia (still sort of relevant), Werdum, Monson, Overeem, Sergie, and probably more I cant think of.

UFC has alot of up and comer's but no one special atm.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm ET
"Sylvia (still sort of relevant), Werdum, Monson, Overeem, Sergie," Not one of these guys is a top five heavyweight if they were in the UFC. C'mon ez, you know more than your making it look like you do.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm ET
I might come off as a UFC hater but I do want to see Fedor in the UFC eventually. I want to see him in there possibly after his next fight. the thing I dont agree on is that when people overhype the HW fighters in the UFC. Most of there HW's are up and comers and not top 10 they are listed with the SomE of the fighter I listed above and have the same rankings as them or around. Someone to beat fedor would neeed to have alot of experience and Lesnar, Carwin, Gonaga and Cain dont cut it but I would love to see it regardless.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm ET
 I agree entirely with your post. But just becuase they are young & up & comers don't mean they don't stand a chance against Fedor. Everyone was an up & comer at some point until they got the chance to prove themselves, the only way they can do that is more fights. I just am not gonna say what they aren't capable of until it is proven that they aren't capable of doing it.I guess i'm giving them the benefit ofthe doubt.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm ET
Every fighter has a chance I agree but wouldnt you want to see that up and comer get better and have a better chance. Im sure everyone would.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:40 pm ET
 I do get to see them get better, everytime they fight against the great competition the UFC has to offer they get better. I think it says more about a fighter that he is willing to go pay the price in the #1 org and risk aking some losses than padding your record at local shows & lesser orgs against competition hat isn't in your league.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 1:45 pm ET
30-1 says alot though. If your saying Fedor is back peddling then your wrong. Banrett is ranked #2 and Timmy and AA were ranked high also. No back peddling when you destroy compitition in seconds. Those fighters have no were else to go to make a living. So it understanable that they are there. Also remember Fedor loves Sambo and does MMA for fun and the money. There will always be fighters even with out a big org but there wont be a org with out fighters. Meaning Fedor can fight big names it doesnt have to be in the UFC. Atm hes fighting Barnett after that IDK.

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 4:24 pm ET
I've said this before - here it goes again.

Brock Lesnar has the brightest future of any heavyweight fighter I have ever watched in mma. This guy has the size, strength, speed, takedowns, power, committment, and training to go really, really, far in his career. I have never seen a fighter like him - Not Severen, Not Frye, Not Randalman, Not Cotoure, Not Barnett, Not Coleman, Not Kerr, Not Henderson, Not Tito - Never has there been a better wrestler more suited for MMA.

I think the only thing he needs to overcome is his lack of experience in "real" fights. It appears to me that he is overcome with a huge adrenalin rush when he fights, and he quickly resorts to what he is the most comfortable with - take downs, side mount, and hammer fists.

Once this guy has more fights in the cage, embraces his punching power, and fights smartly instead of out of an adrenaline rush - he will be the "next big thing"

Could you imagine how he will look once he utilizes full mount and rears back to deliver knockout punches instead of hammer fists. Those punches would hurt really bad, and either his opponent will go out, get injured, or turtle up and allow Brock to RNC him for the tap.

This fighter is the guy that the veterans want to fight NOW, and not 3 years from now when his skills continue to develop. Randy already got his piece of him, and Fedor wants a piece of him too.

Inevitably Fedor will be fighting Brock - and that my friends will be a matchup of glorious proportions!

In that fight we will find out if Brock has a chin and if Fedor "was" the best of all time or "is" the best of all time.


jadrig on May 21, 2009 at 8:00 pm ET
Apparently you did not watch Brocks fight against Randy...

He game plans for all of his opponents...

Rush in and hit Mir like you do to an 85 year old lady...becasue they dont fight back...

Barnett is not the #2 HW...He is not to 8 right now...

AA is not a top 8 HW now either....

Tim Sylvia is not a top 10 HW...

These fighters might deserve their rankings if there was a little asterisk next to it saying "*outside of the UFC".

Neither Fedor, AA, Timmy, Barnett, nor Overreem have done anything within the past two years to be ranked top 5

I also believe that Big Nog is the most overrrated HW within the UFC.

Timmy gave him the worst beating of his life, HH basically KOed him, and Mir beat the dog piss out of him.  I know he had a staff infection against Mir, but thats not the fight I am concerned about.  Randy is going to whip Nogs ass for 15 minutes worse than he did to Timmy.  I feel bad cuz I like Nog.  He is  a nice guy and very likeable.

Also, Mir is definately not top 5 HW within the UFC.

DoSantos is currently the most underrated HW...

with Carwin not too far behind.

Hawk_i on May 21, 2009 at 8:37 pm ET
yeah, I was really suprised at Brock's patience in the fight with Randy - but I guess I shouldn't have been - with all the college & hs wrestling (real wrestling) experience he was bound to slow down (in a good way) at some point.

Majestyk1976 on May 21, 2009 at 1:12 pm ET
I wouldn't mind watching Frank Mir and Fedor fight in the UFC.  Could be a good fight if Mir's glass  chin doesn't get in the way.

PSU1 on May 21, 2009 at 6:23 pm ET
I'm not knocking the UFC, I love what they do their production is great. But what has Cain, Mir, Lesner, Carwin, Congo, done, what great fighters have they beat. People on here talk about these fighters like they have done so much for the sport. None of them have been tested on a consistant basis. They have all fought cans other then Mir do not forget Mir has also lost to a couple cans himself. Lesner fought 45 year old Randy. Everybody says untill Fedor is tested on a constant basis. There is not one fighter in the UFC that has done what Fedor has done, not even close. I would love to see Fedor in the UFC. But for people to sit here and say these guys could beat Fedor is crazy. I know everybody has a chance. Right know the UFC does not have anybody that could, and the top guys who match up well against Fedor are still to raw. When Dana gets Fedor and he will at some point, wait till you here how hard he hypes him up, just like he did Nog or anybody else in the organization, that is his job and he is great at it. It would be bad promotion if he talked about how good other fighters are outside the UFC. The truth is if any of those fighters I mentioned above were not in the UFC, and were to fight Fedor most people on here would just say there is Fedor fighting another can. Dana has made some good coolaid and most have drank it.

raysup on May 21, 2009 at 11:36 pm ET

Very well said, and you know you're right when all the Fedor bashers aren't beating on their keyboards trying to prove you wrong.

People constantly try to justify the fact that Fedor needs to fight "the best" competition which are the UFC HW's.  Let's take a look at these impressive HW challengers that everyone so emphatically defends....

Shane Carwin, whose had a whopping 3 fights against sub-par competition?  LOL!

Cain Velasquez, who has fought 5 nobodies? LOL!

Kongo, hmmm, he did beat CroCop!  Oh wait, Fedor beat him too -- and he was in his prime!  It doesn't even matter that Kongo lost to Heath Herring (who Fedor also smashed) and Carmelo Marrero, because he has stunning victories over Dan "The Viking" Evensen and Antoni Hardon!  LOL!

Maybe Junior Dos Santos??  I mean he has had an amazing two wins over a soft-as-pie Fabricio Werdum and the beast we all know as Stefan Struve! LOL!

Gabriel Gonzaga??  Please... Fedor would sling him around the octagon by his body hair.

A 45 year old Randy Couture??  I would be seriously concerned about Randy's safety if he fought Fedor.

I won't even mention Big Nog for obvious reasons.  The only fight I would even be interested in (knowing that Fedor would be challenged) would be a fight against Brock because of his incredible size, power, and speed.

And MAYBE Mir, because of his experience and excellent ground game....but we all know that an excellent ground game doesn't really work on Fedor anyway.

As for the theory that Fedor has to beat any of these HW's to somehow prove his amazing legacy is a joke.  Just give it up already.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 7:28 pm ET
raysup I would like to personally thank you for bringing in a front loader to scoop and dispose of huge
amount of Uninformed Fan Crap as you did here today. Your efforts in the clean up operation are truly appreciated.

Lilybean13 on May 22, 2009 at 12:56 am ET
PSU1 - man, couldn't have said it better myself!  I agree with you 100%! now, get outta my mind ;)

sealyaxe on May 21, 2009 at 7:56 pm ET
I've seen too many guys brutalize Mir to think he could withstand a barrage of punches from Fedor.  Brock's a big dude, but I'm sure Fedor hits harder.

abc0331 on May 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm ET
I love how UFC bashers use to throw fits when Tim Sylvia's name was brought-up, but now that he is out of the UFC he is a top 10 fighter.

I love the hypocracy.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm ET
Wait wasn't he the UFC champ? yes he was thats why he was in the top 10 and still can be relevant in it.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm ET
He was the UFC champion 2 times even!

Hell, make it 3x if you count the roid fight also.

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 4:35 pm ET
You know Tim Sylvia is an interesting point.

The bashing I see about Tim Sylvia is that he looks goofy and doesn't resemble what a "mma" champion should look like, he tested positive for steroids, and he walked around town wearing his title belt.

Bottom line though is he used his jab and reach to keep smaller fighters away, and used his takedown defense to remain standing.

I rooted for him up until he fought Vera, just because everyone of the people I watched the fights with hated him.

He knocked out Cabbage Correia, Ricco Rodriguez, TKO'd Arlovski, and decisioned a hell of a lot of other fighters.

That's not my style of fighting - going for decisions - but Machida and Anderson Silva have both shown that this is a credible way to earn a title fight or championship belt.


AfflictionJones on May 21, 2009 at 11:56 am ET
The NFL has 99.93% of the best football players.   CFL is very secondary.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm ET
yeah... i understated that a bit.... just a bit

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 4:37 pm ET
Nice think too is that the Steelers have 100% of the best NFL players!

Sniper71 on May 21, 2009 at 5:08 pm ET
I get your point but that is a horrible compariison.  You might want to stick to organizations you are more familiar with.  It wasn't that long ago that the CFL was actually the premier place to play and players made twice as much as their NFL counterparts.  Thanks to very lucrative TV deals things completely reversed in a short period of time.  25 years can make a big difference.  THe UFC is tops right now but they have to continue to improve or the door is open for other orgs to make gains.
As a side note most NFL superstars that try the CFL end up failing big time.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 5:31 pm ET

HaHAHAHA..I cn't stop laughing at this post? When in the hell was th CFL the premier place top play? I'll tell you when ..never, thats a comical statement.

 And as a side note, any NFL player that is "trying the CFL is doing so becuase he can't make it in the NFL or because they have been kicked out of the league.
 CFL premier league. You should think about doing stand up comedy dude.


Slade24 on May 21, 2009 at 9:09 pm ET
The whole CFL/NFL argument is stupid. Doug Flutie and Warren Moon were both SUPERSTARS in the CFL. But, when the chance came to go to the NFL they jumped quick. That's the only place the comparison works. Don't kid yourself, every fighter hopes to get picked up by the UFC whether they admit it outloud or not. And why shouldn't they? They are a known commodity. They'll have a chance to make more money than the ever could anywhere else. There's more more money from sponsors, sponsorship opprotunities, a more public profile etc. Why do you think all these fighters who weren't in the UFC convinced the T-Shirt money mark to start a Affliction. They all want to be known in the US. This is where the money is to be made now. It's wonderful to be known in Japan but, they'd all love to walk down the street in the US and have someone say "Look there's so and so". The amount of logic that is missing from so many arguments on this board is amazing.

fmf68 on May 21, 2009 at 3:28 pm ET
I didnt know Peyton Manning was a fighter he just doesnt have the look...I guess he would be good at avoiding the takedown.

ArtofRuin on May 21, 2009 at 3:43 pm ET
ok they have 7 out of ten  best pound for pound fighters in the world..and two are from the WEC..and fedor...umm yea noone else from affliction and noone from strikeforce...that says alot

Hacksaw27 on May 21, 2009 at 11:30 am ET
I see your point ... BUT ... I disagree ...

Remember Vince Ferragamo?

Canadian Football League

Ferragamo played for the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League for one year, 1981. He was signed to a large contract by NFL and CFL standards ($400,000, compared to $300,000 the Rams offered him, and the $47,500 they had paid him for 1980.) However, Ferragamo had a difficult time adapting to Canadian football and Montreal went on to win only three games during the season against 13 losses. Ferragamo's last game in Canada was a loss to the Ottawa Rough Riders in the Eastern semi-final. Ferragamo did not even play in that game as it was backup QB Ken Johnson who started for the Alouettes. His stats during his one season in Montreal were 175 of 342 passes completed (51.2%) for 2175 yards, with 7 TD passes and a whopping 25 interceptions.

Besides ... Fedor dominated PRIDE when they were the #1 organization in the world ... all the best fought there ...


KoralJiuJitsu on May 21, 2009 at 11:36 am ET
You beat me to it. Good on you for explaining the differences between leagues. Also showing how it has no bearing on the UFC vs. MMA

abc0331 on May 21, 2009 at 11:18 am ET
I do not think the UFC wanting him to lose so they can say "see I told you so."

I think they are hoping Fedor to lose because that will bring his fighter stock down. And can finally sign him without the war that has been going on since PRIDE's downfall because Fedor can make any request since he is hands down the best in the world.

He will not be able to demand as much once he is beaten. That bargining chip is out of his hands, his bandwagon leaves him and now needs the UFC for a pay-day.
Your right Nick, Fedor does have nothing to prove. He has destroyed the second generation of fighters without ever entering the Octogon. No one else in the sport can say that. 

But eventually if Fedor wants to continue making money in MMA he will eventually end-up in the UFC after his incredible streak is over.

kakarot on May 21, 2009 at 11:30 am ET
I think fedor will probably be able to make just as much if not more money outside the ufc...

who's to say his streak will end?

abc0331 on May 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm ET
who's to say his streak will end?"

Everyone loses. If your fighting the best fighters all of the time you will lose.  Even for a bogus reason Fedor still has a loss on his record.

Unless he continues to fight ex-prime fighters or LHW making the bump up like Jeremy Horn he can keep padding that record all he wants.

I'm not saying he would'nt do the same in the UFC either.

But as a person who likes MMA. Not just the UFC. (And I find the UFC bashing incredibly childish, if you don't like their boss thats fine but to bash a private organization and then claim to like it your a hypocrite.)

But at this point put up or shut up for Fedor,  a company has its rules just because your on a winning streak means you are different from any other fighter in the world.  Even if you are the best. If Zuffa change the rules for Fedor, BJ Penn will want something next, the A. Silva, then every fighter making demands which to provide a viable company the workers can not do. Managment must make those decision no matter how evil it makes them look.

But if Fedor wants to continue making large sums of money if Affliction does tank the UFC will be the only place with enough revenue to sign him.

PSU1 on May 21, 2009 at 6:42 pm ET
As long as Fedor fights LHW like Horn. Most LHW in all of MMA are as big as Fedor sh@t some are bigger Forest, Rampage, Liddel all walk around over 230. Other then maybe Henderson name another fighter who fights at their natural weight. 95% of fighters if they looked like Fedor would cut. The guy walks around soft in the midsection and continues to win, and has the balls to do it in a division were 99% of the time he will be shorter and  out weighed. Guys got bigger and stronger Randy dropped weight, Vera dropped, Rich dropped, so when Fedor fights someone smaller he's doing something wrong, when all he is doing is fighting someone his own size.

jadrig on May 21, 2009 at 8:10 pm ET
It is easier to fight a HW if you are a true LHW.  That is why Randy, who was beat into retirement at 205, came back at HW and starte kicking ass and taking names...

It is easier for Fedor to fight slow HWs than for him to fight quicker 205ers.

Fedors best advantage is the quickness that he has over heavier slower guys.

In Japan, they cannot phathom the idea that the smaller [Fedor] has the advantage when fighting a bigger slower guy.

Bob Sapp!!??!! Hong Man Choi!!??!!  Completely humerous...but in Japan, it makes Fedor larger than life...just like how little Nickey sees him...

PSU1 on May 21, 2009 at 8:47 pm ET
If you remember Randy moved to LHW because he was losing at HW. So with your theory these fighters cut weight so they can fight tougher guys, not because they want to be bigger on fight night. If that was the case how come guys like Forest, Rampage do not fight at HW forest walks around at 240 and Rampage at about 235 why cut its stressful on your body when you can stay at your natural weight and beat slower guys. The reason why people cut is to get an advantage.

raysup on May 21, 2009 at 11:55 pm ET
Fedor has never fought Bob Sapp, nice try though.

And I don't care who you are, to submit a guy that is 7'2" and well over 300lbs in under two minutes is impressive.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 5:50 pm ET
its people like you that inspired my forum name.
" Bob Sapp!!??!! Hong Man Choi!!??!!  Completely humerous...but in Japan,
it makes Fedor larger than life...just like how little Nickey sees him..."

fedor never fought Sapp.

thank you for the UFC

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 11:29 am ET
Nick I think the Zuffa Juicers on this site want that but overall everyone wants something else to happen. Alot of these Dana worshippers actually secretly Love Fedor but they dont want Dana to find out so they say they hate him and want him to fight in the UFC against Cans. Sorry but when your best fighter is 3-1 that says alot and when your other stars arnt to big that also says alot.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 11:41 am ET
I think you are saying Zuffa Juicers want Fedor in the UFC because deep down they know he is the best. If this happens then they will be happy.

If he doesn't sign, then they will want him to lose for not doing so.

I could easily agree with that assessment.

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 4:47 pm ET
Who the Hell doesn't want to see Fedor in the UFC? (besides Tom Attencio, DREAM, Affliction, Sambo World Championships, Strikeforce, MFC, KOC, etc)

And better yet, Fedor on a win streak would be even better.

Like most people I bounce back and forth between Champions and Underdogs.

On one hand I love the fact that Fedor is on a crazy ass win streak and admire what it takes to achieve that, but on the other hand, I love watching Champions lose to underdogs.

So when Fedor fights Barnett - (I like both fighters) I will either be saying - God Da^^n Fedor is a tough mother f'er OR Holy $hit Barnett just beat Fedor!


johnsdarkshadow on May 21, 2009 at 2:03 pm ET
Until Fedor comes to the UFC and fights the UFC heavy weight champ (who ever it is at the time) and wins. There will always be doubt, and he will always be second guessed.   To be the best you have to beat the best, and the best in MMA is the UFC heavy weight champ, bottem line.

Brian731 on May 21, 2009 at 3:41 pm ET
IMO until Fedor steps into the UFC and beats a guy like Lesnar, he has alot to prove.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 2:27 pm ET
Those outside of UFC that Fedor beat are called:  Hand me downs.  Wash up! Beat up. Can't deliver in UFC that is why they are let go and make Fedor look good beating on them.  And like someone said Affliction org = minor league, if not like the XFL.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 11:56 am ET
II don't care if Fedor wins or lose.  That won't solve sh*t. All I want is for him to stop BSing and fight in a cage and UFC.  I want him to take out the competition.  We all know the competition is in UFC, non other.  I can understand if some if not all fighters dislike the UFC and doesn't want to join, but Fedor is the only one doing this and it doesn't seem right.  Eliminate the comptetition and I'll give you credit, FEDOR!

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm ET
He is 30-1, Bro.

He has eliminated the competition.

All of it.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm ET
 All of it huh? except the competition in the #1 organization in the world. Is he the best HW? yes..we'll he go down as the greatest heavyweight ever? not in most peoples minds if he never fights in the UFC. And most people doesnt mean Nick Havok exz248 & the few others on this sight who think Fedor can turn water into wine.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm ET
MMA is new to the states really.  in America he wont go down as the best MAYBE but everywhere else were MMA is known and respected he will. Sad when you have to resort to childish antic to get your point across.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 12:13 pm ET
Why does he need to go to the UFC to prove himself when he has kicked the majority of their champion's asses already?

I mean he has already proved it.

Too bad the Zuffa Juicers didn't get to see it in the Octogon...but that is there problem. It really has no bearing on the fact that Fedor is hands-down the best fighter on the planet.

Wether in the Octogon or not, he racked up all those wins just the same.

That is all that really matters.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm ET

 OK so you two guys are happy with Fedor's career & japan is happy with Fedor's career? I'm happy for you guys I'm glad that all that matters is whats happening in your lil world.
 But in the MMA world as in most other aspects the U.S. is what matters most.In he Pride days Japan may have been more rlevent but those days are over.

 I mean its cool that you two will consider him the best ever. I'm just saying the majority of clear thinking un-bias individuals will consider him the best ever to NEVER FIGHT IN THE UFC. If thats what he wants his legacy to be then more power to him. H is a great fighter & all that he should really be concerned with is if he himself is happy with his carer.


JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm ET
I won't consider him Legit until he proves he can deliver in a cage and UFC.


prodigyfan on May 21, 2009 at 1:01 pm ET
Well if JustMe doesn't consider Fedor legit than he must not be legit. Get real. I think it should be considered an obvious fact that Fedor is the greatest mmartist thus far. Not HW, mmartist. He's completely on his own level. Everybody loses in mma, except Fedor. Everyone has mental lapses that cost them fights or at least rounds, except Fedor. The man (at least he appears to be a man) fights opponents in their strengths and beats them at it.

If anyone as an mma fan can't appreciate the career that Fedor has amassed, I question how well you know mma.

sport_not_profit on May 21, 2009 at 3:27 pm ET
True 100%

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 6:14 pm ET
Nice post!

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 7:47 pm ET
"hit the nail on the head" as they say.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 7:42 pm ET
and who said the only place to prove yourself is a cage?

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm ET
He will fight in the UFC eventually. Dana will wise up and not offer a ridiculous contract then we will see him in there. His legacy will grow and actually it has grown in America alot but not as much as everyone wants it to be.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 1:09 pm ET
Yes, eventually. And by that time he will get beat up. And all you Fedor lovers will say, "he's pass his prime"

To me, the time is now!  If he wants to beat and conquer and show us US/World fans what Fedor is all about, its time to deliver!

raysup on May 22, 2009 at 2:09 pm ET
Yeah because he really needs to prove that he can beat guys like Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos, Big Nog (who he has already beaten twice), Justin McCully, Antoni Hardon, Kongo, Heath Herring (who he has already beaten), Mostapha Al Turk, Pat Barry, Stefan Struve, and Denis Stojnic.

What an all-star, legend-defining lineup of fighters that is.  I mean the UFC's three best up-and-coming fighters (Carwin, Velasquez, Dos Santos) have a combined 10 UFC fights....if you really think Fedor beating them inside the Octagon would prove anything, you've lost your marbles!  And if they weren't signed by the UFC, all of you morons would consider them random cans anyway, lol.  But I guess it would be kind of funny to see Fedor completely run through this entire list of fighters with ease and then hear all of the new excuses pop up afterwards.

The only two fighters in the UFC HW division who would even have a legitimate chance at beating Fedor would be Brock & Frank Mir....and those odds still wouldn't be very good I'm afraid.  Randy is just too old.

And this garbage about Fedor needing to show the USA fans what he's all about is nonsense.  There's this thing called the internet, and if you know how to use it and are passionate about MMA like you claim to be, you can find Fedor fights and you should ALREADY know what he's about.  I've seen every one of his PRIDE and Affliction fights and even a few of his earlier fights when he fought for the RINGS promotion, thanks to the internet.  If you haven't, that's your problem.

rush16 on May 21, 2009 at 3:31 pm ET
Nick you just love saying Fedor is the best fighters ever lol. I think he's definitly one of the best fighters ever and is either #1 or #2 P4P. But when has he ever destroyed a current UFC champ? Never. After this fight IMO theres nothing left for him outside the UFC, I mean sure theres some decent HW's out there but none in the top 5 for him to fight. I know Fedor wants to fight Brock and I hope Zuffa and Fedor can come to an agreement after this fight. I mean wheter Dana would admit it or not, if Fedor came to the UFC and the UFC champ his first fight it would be the biggest UFC fight ever.

mmainukraine on May 21, 2009 at 6:13 pm ET
ok lets look at Arlovski. he lost to Tim cuz he basically gave in to the way Tim fights.  he was on 3 fight win streak than left ufc on his own will. destroyed  2 best HW in IFL , was in the best shape of his life, got killed when fought Fedor. seems pretty current to me.

I dont understand why Randy gets credit for beating Silvia and Fedor doesnt. they both started round the same, knock him down and choke. exept Randy couldnt do it and went to decision with Tim when Fedor did the same exact thing but in 36 seconds.

jadrig on May 21, 2009 at 8:19 pm ET
Fedor might not have been able to dominate Timmy like Randy did.  After Randy knocked Timmy down with ONE PUNCH He dominated him for 25min.

Fedor broke his thumb in the flurry of punches, yeah, he did finish it, but whatever...

Also, I think that Randy would Beat Fedor.  That would be the best fight to see Fedor in.

mmainukraine on May 21, 2009 at 8:37 pm ET
pft of course u do.

r u saying that Fedor doesnt have KO power? cuz i bet i can show u alot of fighters who disagree lol

ezx248 on May 22, 2009 at 1:45 am ET
lol Ukraine he worships UFC dont listen

ezx248 on May 22, 2009 at 1:53 am ET
lol your a troll. Finishing a fight in 36 seconds is mor impressive then not being able to finish a fight you can.

A 45 year old man that has only has a punchers chance vs Fedor? lmfao your a joke and so are your posts. go go go boy

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 12:08 pm ET
U talkin about OLD & Wash UP & Hand me downs competition.

I am talking about the NEW Breed of talents waiting in the WINGs.  I like to see if he can come and take them to school or does he Fear the hungry WOLVES lying in wait to add a great name to their resume?
C'mon the Boss or fear the Loss.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:12 pm ET
Calm down Justme lol you admit your a casual fan so reading what you wrote proves. The new breed is NEW therefore they need more fights and experience to get enough experience to fight someone like Fedor.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm ET

I see FEAR in FEDORs eyes.......for sure.

Fedor fear of being taken out like CroCop did.

Make me a believer and I won't judge.  But I will if you won't.

My question/comments/post will all be the same if Fedor article comes up! Never more!

Less proven otherwise.


ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm ET
You come up with Cro Cop?

Anderson Silva, Rua and Rampage.

We will see Fedor in the UFC one day.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 1:12 pm ET
Ah..1 day! Yes, old Fedor day.  The Time is now! Bring it!  Stop with the your promotion and take UFC out.  Show White and tell him to "[expletive it]" once you beat up the UFC.

abc0331 on May 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm ET
What are the requirements for a hardcore fan?

Do you need a special ring and application?

I like how the "real mma fans" turned in to "casual and hardcore fans" on this site.

And why does it make your opinion matter more one way or another?

Sorry I'm just playing advocate. I'm not some troll or Noob here not understanding the dynamics of MMA on the web, but I hear this new term more and more and find it dumb.  

But just because they don't have a "big" name that hardcore fans know does not make them easy pickings for any fighter. 2nd generation fighters like Fedor had a make a name some where.

If this was someone else with an impressive record(remember I like Fedor)  people would be saying Fedor is afraid to put his meal-ticket on the line to fight the new fighters that people do not know so much about and stick with what he knows he can beat to continue padding his record and bank account.

ThiagoTKOSilva on May 21, 2009 at 4:57 pm ET
The requirements to be a hardcore fan (based on how the "hardcore" fans here act) are that you simply have to be a computer nerd riding on this site all day posting 50+ posts a day and making sure every "casual" fan on here realizes your "great" MMA knowledge.  

Seriously, to me there's no such thing as a casual fan, hardcore fan, or whatever other type of fan there exists..... Everything people post and say here are opinions... There's no way of knowing wether someone watches MMA all day or whether someone never even watches MMA at all and yet still posts here.   What's the point of labeling someone anyways?

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm ET
Competition changes.

MMA is a constantly evovling sport (Captain Obvious)

Look at Matt Hughes - is he weaker than he was two years ago..... NO

But, The competitiion has past him by... He didn't change the sport did.

To say Fedor has eliminated the competition only holds true for his time in Pride....

Do I feel Fedor is the best in the world?  Without a doubt, but there is no such thing as totally eliminating competition.

It is a competition.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm ET
Eggxactly, don't want Fedor to be like Hughes then the start fighting the best in UFC.
I want to see him at his best against the Best.  Competition = UFC.

pogiako on May 21, 2009 at 12:35 pm ET
Without a doubt, but there is no such thing as totally eliminating competition
yes there is. emelianenko. 30-1.

Competition changes.
yes it does, still all fall down to fedor. 30-1.

Fedor has eliminated the competition only holds true for his time in Pride....
already beaten 2 ex ufc champs after Pride. one more to come.

It is a competition.
yes. fedor had always won.

good post actually at first glance. but gone stupid since you are implementing it to fedor.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm ET
Back from lunch...

Sylvia was beaten out of the UFC - but still a former champ - fine

Arlovski also former champ - fine - legit fight.  Who else??

I am not a Fedor Hater - outside of Arlovski - who looked good until his glass chin got in the way - his last legit top-level fight happened in 2005 against CroCop.

The game has changed immensly in the past 4 years. 

You cannot dispute his domination in Pride - but ask yourself w how many world champs from Pride (when the organization disbanded) are still world champs - If they are still a champ it's becuase they don't fight in the UFC. 

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm ET
"If they are still a champ it's becuase they don't fight in the UFC."

Eggxacly, once Brock gets KTFO he'll eventually fight Fedor in Japan.  There, if he lose to him.  All them Fedor nut huggers will say "see, EX UFC champ got beat by Fedor again"


aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 1:23 pm ET
I think that Fedor was of and lived up to mythical proportions from 2000-2005 - as dominant a run as one can have, but it is 2009 (Captain Obvious).  I think it is hard to assess where Fedor stands right now without putting him in the UFC.  If he doesn;t go after this win, then it is obvious that he would rather live by the myth than live it.

pogiako on May 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm ET
sylvia and aa are still better hws than most of what ufc can offer.
thay can make an honest run at the ufc belt.

people insist they are former champs, but carwin, kongo, dos santos etc etc have they atlest been champions?

the game have changed immensely, but fedor is at level where evolution almost ends.

most say gsp is the complete mmartist, but fedor have been doing that for years now
fedor is great at striking (even freakin beat crocops at his own game), submissions, most brutal gnp and his ability to take punishment is just second to cabbage (fujita, randleman)


ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 1:47 pm ET
A.Silva is Champ and so is Rampage. fighters eventually wear out and die out thats part of the process you cant expect everyone to continue there winning ways from Pride.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 2:03 pm ET
exactly my point... We measure Fedor's success based on his pride days.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm ET
Yep...this is NOW...believe it or not this is not PRIDE anymore. 

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 2:40 pm ET
Exactly. It's Affliction now.

And last I checked Fedor is making quite a nice home there while making a habit out of wrecking top 10 ranked, ex-UFC champions.

Barnett will mark Fedor's third victim in a little over a year's time.

Most impressive I should say.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 3:07 pm ET

Afflictions?  LOL....

Even Dream is better!  Affliction will TANK.

And yes, EX gotta be EX


coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 5:28 pm ET
Whether you want to claim these guys are has-beens or past their primes, you can't deny beating Sylvia, Arlovski and Barnett(if Fedor does) all in a row that is simply amazing. Truth is Arlovski and Barnett would fair very well in the UFC. Arlovski was fairing well, hence why Dana regretted not being able to re-sign him. I'm not sure how Sylvia would do anymore, now that there are more larger HW's. I'd have to see more of his future matches to get an idea.

I don't see many other p4p guys beating top 5 guys 3x in a row all too often.


JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 5:46 pm ET
Those guys mention are wash up.  UFC knows they are done like Liddel. Only Affliction would pay them millions to fight a 1-2 minute fight.  Betcha Strikeforce is only paying AA maybe $1-500 gs for fightin against Rogers.  Not $1.5 like Affliction did.  I'll be shock if Strikeforce did!  And he's not even main event on June 6.
The problem is, why is Fedor being a hard head. 

Overeem understand UFC is #1 org.
KID understands it too.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 7:14 pm ET
Wash ups? your a casual fan so this means nothing. Since you already admit that your knowledge of MMA is little. AA is no wash up he was smart enough to go outside the UFC make 10x the money and still continues to do so. AA and Sylvia left on there own terms. So how is that washed up???

Why is Fedor being a Hard head maybe if you listened to what he said instead of listening to your Puppet Master Dana you would know. 4 fight a year and if he wins it continues that way till he loses, No sambo, slave contract, and one principil any MMA fighter worships is RESPECT. Hard head I think not your just ignorant and you admit it.

pogiako on May 21, 2009 at 2:39 pm ET
Because he was in Pride.  

And total domination of two top ten heavies after Pride is also part of his success.
Can anybody say he beat Tym Sylvia in 36 secs?


streetfighter on May 21, 2009 at 3:35 pm ET
Yeah but nobody really gives a sh*t about your opinion. 90% of the people who repond to your posts, think you are retarded. Of course Fedor has a lot to prove. He has yet to prove that he can dominate in a cage. Why does everyone lose if Fedor loses? That is the sort of idiotic statement that people have gotten use to from you. Just because some people arent licking Fedor's tip, (like you) why do you feel the need to group them all together with a derogatory label ie. ' Zuffa Juicers '?

streetfighter on May 21, 2009 at 3:38 pm ET
That was aimed at Nick.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 8:34 pm ET
"Yeah but nobody really gives a sh*t about your opinion."
If they didn't then no one would be responding including you derrrrr.

"He has yet to prove that he can dominate in a cage."
what the hell makes fighting in a cage the standard for actual fighting? Now thats retarded.

"Just because some people arent licking Fedor's tip, (like you) why do you feel the need to group them
all together with a derogatory label ie. ' Zuffa Juicers '?"

same way others label Fedor fans as nut huggers or "licking his tip". guess you kids can dish it out but not take it.

reyes_judicata on May 21, 2009 at 10:44 am ET
Even though Fedor has beaten all my former champs, he stills sucks.
Sincerely, Dana

AIMLET on May 21, 2009 at 10:45 am ET

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 10:48 am ET

AirmenD on May 21, 2009 at 11:14 am ET
LOL, but you forgot to drop a couple of F-bombs there.

Ccarter on May 21, 2009 at 11:45 am ET
Yeah, Fedor showed Dana, beating his has-beens.

Affliction is on top of the world, bigger than the UFC now!

Dana is shaking in his boots.

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 11:52 am ET
It's funny how you claim Fedor has beat only has-beens.

Who? Like Mark Coleman?

The guy scheduled to fight Stephen Bonner on the main card of an upcoming UFC PPV.



VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm ET

 How in the hell is that relevent to anything?

 We realize he UFC has has beens too & Mark Coleman is one of them. Just because he's fighting at a UFC PPV that doesn't mean he's nota has been.

 Now I dont agree that all Fedor has beaten is has-beens. But giving Mark Coleman as your example was just, how can i put this nicley..stupid.  and oh yea...

 WAR Logan Sincaid!!!


NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 12:18 pm ET
Only saying, it's hard to back the UFC and claim they have the best fighters but at the same time claim Fedor's wins were over has-beens...but who are guys who are currently securing top PPV fights with the UFC.

You really can't have it both ways.

But it's cool if you want to label a few of the UFC's top guys as has-beens. I'm sure you will have a gang of Zuffa Juicers up your butt claiming otherwise though :)

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm ET
Man you are dillusional for sure.  UFC's top guys? Who the hell are you talking about?

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 3:36 pm ET
All that really needs to be said is that Dana himself said that Noguiera is one of the best and most decorated heavyweights of all time.

Fedor took care of him 2x. Whether that was awhile ago or not is irrelevant. If Nog is considered one of the best what does that say about Fedor then?

The likes of the best p4p and superstars of the UFC all saying Fedor is in the top 3 best fighters in the world speaks more than enough.(except for Mir--he simply says Fedor is the best heavyweight fighter because he dosn't believe heavyweights should be considered p4p)

He simply does not need to go to the UFC and prove himself. He has already proven himself..If someday UFC allows Fedor to compete in his countries sport(not an organization!) maybe, just maybe we will see the man in the UFC. Other than that there is no question he is the best heavyweight ever.

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 5:03 pm ET
Corey - I know one Heavyweight Champion in the UFC that doesn't talk that way about Fedor.

Call it stupid, call it brash, call it disrespecful, call it what ever you like, but Brock has said the opposite about Fedor.

In fact he's called him out, and Fedor responded to him the next day willing to fight. Fedor does want to fight him, that is the golden match that has him salivating, and has made him completely forget about Randy.

For Fedor, best that fight happens sooner rather then later.


JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 5:33 pm ET
Yeah, I hate this waitin game crap.

I call you out...u call me out.  But if not willin to fight under my RULES, f**k you!

What BS.  I guess Fedor just have to wait til Brock looses and out of UFC like the rest of the EX cheamps.  Then and only then Fedor can chew up on the rest of the former champs and make his deciples say he is the BEST.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 7:58 pm ET
or he could fight him now and as randy said "fedor would tear brock up"
and i think randy knows a little more about who would win then you do. by a little i mean 1000 times more.

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 5:37 pm ET
No disrespect towards Lesnar, but him calling out Fedor now is a complete joke. He couldn't even avoid Mir's submissions. Call it inexperience or whatever you want but that just proves he couldn't get far with Fedor. Heck, Mir knows he couldn't even beat Fedor and admitted it.  Lesnar has a long way to go before even thinking he could fully challenge Fedor.

Fedor has faced better wrestlers, in fact national/olympic champions in sambo, sometimes similiar in size to Lesnar.

Fedor would have an edge on almost all levels. I say in 1-2 years(depending on how fast Lesnar progresses) those two squaring off has all the makings to be the best heavyweight match ever.

But, right now all Lesnar has is his size, power, speed and wrestling. It's not like Fedor dosn't hold all those to his own either. Lesnars hammerfists are sloppy. He needs to work on an effective striking game yet as well.

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 7:07 pm ET
If you would like my opinion on that - read my post from earlier.

I agree, Fedor would be best to take this fight now, rather than 3 years from now, that's if for F'n sure. Which might be one of the reasons they responded so quickly after Brock's words and after Brock beat Randy.

But, back to the point, not all of the fighters, nor fans, are in agreement that Fedor is the best ever, best pnp, etc.

Imagine this though, Brock experienced, instead of side mount and hammer fists, he uses full mount and rears back with full punches and elbows, very few would survive that. Ouch it seems like that would hurt

Also, it's my opinion and only speculation, but Lesnar is the best fit wrestler for MMA that I have seen in my history, he seems better fit for MMA then so many of the heavyweight wrestlers from history already - Severen, Frye, Randleman, Coleman, Barnett, Fujita, Kerr, Henderson, Couture, Monson.
Hey - here is a question for you though, would you agree that Lesnar could out wrestle all of the fighters I mentioned above? If not, who could pin Lesnar?


coreymb on May 22, 2009 at 3:43 am ET
Fedor actually spoke praise of Lesnar and said it would be an interesting match well before Lesnar said anything negative about Fedor.

I still think it would be best suited for Lesnar to wait 1-2 years and then we would have a supermatch. They are both similiar in age, Lesnar just needs to reform his skills more. I would hate to see the fight happen now-Fedor wins and then we would have all the haters saying "Fedor just beat him because of Lesnars inexperience". You know that would happen!

Brock in due time with an effective boxing game with his excellent wrestling is a scary though and most would not be able to handle it. Fedor has amazing hips and has dealt with wrestlers just as good or better, sometimes with similiar size in sambo.(I've been to the 05 sambo tournament and you wouldn't believe how great Fedor is against some of the worlds best wrestlers) His hips are just so damn strong, not to mention he can submit you off his back.

Honestly, right now all those guys that you listed I don't think could pin Lesnar. Maybe Couture and Coleman quite a few years ago. Without a doubt Lesnar is on a different level when it comes to wrestling. Lets hope for the Carwin/Lesnar matchup if they both continue to shine!

Ccarter on May 22, 2009 at 12:45 am ET
Mir actually just stated in a recent video on mmaweekly that he would beat fedor.

coreymb on May 22, 2009 at 3:37 am ET
If you actually go from the first interview which was recent and then to the other most recent interview you will be able to tell that a bit was taken out of context and Mir is getting a full of himself or pumping himself for Lesnar.

Mir just not long ago said he has to be truthful to himself and that he could not beat Fedor. He said his best shot would be a submission but he doubts he could pull it off. He dosn't think Fedor can be beat right now but he hopes to someday have a shot of atleast fighting him.


VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 5:47 pm ET

 Corey plese take a second to read the other posts on here & you will see that you are definetly in the minority with your opinion.

 if he is happy with his Legacy than good dfor him, that should be all that matters is what he thinks of his Legacy. Bu if he is worried abou the opinions of 90% of MMA fans (hardcore or casual as you guys like to label them) then he realizes that until he wins the UFC title or at least steps into the octagon h will be known as the best heavyweight TO NEVER FIGHT IN THE UFC instead of being known as the best ever.


coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 6:13 pm ET
I think it's the exact opposite. The general american population will see it as you do. The sports brightest stars, writers and broadcasters almost all agree on who is the best.(Yes, even the UFC best go out of there way to speak praise of Fedor while Dana says the exact opposite)

Fedors legacy will be intact whether he enters the cage or not.

Remember UFC is not MMA. Just because they now own almost all the best dosn't take away what Fedor has done in his career. He could retire right now the best heavyweight ever without a doubt.

Seriously, my opinion is just an opinion but when you have penn, rampage, couture, noguiera, shogun, shields, barnett, bas, gsp..etc..etc all saying the same thing about Fedor I think that speaks more than what anyone on this site can say.

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 6:17 pm ET
Meant to say UFC isn't what makes mma like many people think. UFC just brought it to american mainstream. MMA has been around forever. Try watching beatufiful orgs like Shooto just for example!

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 8:06 pm ET

Don't you think a little bit of the admiration for Fedor from the fighters currently is because to this day nobody has been able to figure him out, his current win streak, and his calmness in the ring?

Would that change if he were to lose 1 fight, or perhaps 2 in a row? 

Where does the fact that those comments are based upon the fact that Fedor is a likeable guy, nonconfrontational, and doesn't talk $hit fit in?

Do you think any of those comments are based upon the fact that the fighter knows that his soundbytes will be published over the internet media?

Do you think any of those comments would be different if you asked the fighter if they could beat Fedor?

Do you think any of those fighters might have a different opinion on Fedor that they don't make public?

It is weird for me because this site might be getting to me. I definately agree that Fedor is the most unique fighter I have ever seen in mma, but as I continue to read through MMAJunkie, there seems to be a lot of valid points about his fights and where he ends up in MMA history.

It will be interesting to see in 10 years from now where guys from the early days of Pride, UFC, and other mma organizations stack up against our current fighters.

Also, don't you think that a younger fighter would clearly have the best chance to beat the champion? The old saying is so true - you can't teach an old dog new tricks - ie Chuck, Rampage, Couture, Wanderlei, CroCop, Hunt, Abbott, Randleman, Baroni,

I mean historically that is how it seems to work - Tyson dropping Berbick, Spinx, Bonecrusher Smith, Tony TNT Tucker when he was basically the young up and coming fighter unifying the title belts. Lesnar destroying Couture in one of his first mma fights.

It seems like the fighters with more experience (And age) would certainately respect and appreciate what guys like Fedor, Chuck, Royce, Severen, Hughes, Tito, CroCop, Wanderlei, etc have accomplished, but that younger fighters like Lesnar and the other's would be looking to cement their spots in history by knocking the snot out of the veterans and showing off what they can do now.

Just food for thought, those questions are rhetorical, but I always enjoy reading your posts Mr. Corey.

Legacy's are an interesting thing also - just ask Bill Buckner about that.


coreymb on May 22, 2009 at 3:33 am ET
I do think that there is somewhat of an admiration towards Fedor because of numerous reasons and not just because people cannot figure him out.

Fedor is a special fighter. He will beat you at your own game. He doesnt shy away from certain styles. He is extremely well rounded at every style. People say that MMA is evolving which is true, but Fedor has evolved with the sport and continues to do so with his unique training and sambo.

I think a loss would only be a benefit for Fedor(believe it or not) and I think fighters would still think the same. I don't think Fedor lets things get to his head, but I question if he does get bored. People can say what they want but in the Fedor/AA fight he was scratching his nose more than showing any offence or defence. He said from the start he saw openings and was waiting for the right moment. Yeah, AA was winning the round but that's it.(I'm a huge AA fan by the way)

I agree that you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but like I said Fedor is so primed for anyone in the HW division and would put on an amazing performance. I wish he didn't have that short span of fighting "freakshows" and whatnot. That put a sour taste in many peoples mouth in addition to not fighting in the UFC.

I honestly think that not much would change any of the fighters stance on what they think of Fedor. Wanderlie openly admitted that nobody wants to fight Fedor. He brought that up on his own. Rampage was guest commentator on the Fujita/Fedor fight and when most fighters would of been KO'd and Fedor regained composure and easily won shortly after, Rampage stated that is why Fedor is a champion. He went on later to say that he would only fight Fedor for 20 million dollars because he is a baaad man.

I'm just rambling now. But, I think the fighters words are more than an indication of anything and I don't think anything would change their opinions based on the topics you brought up. It was good food for thought though.

Obviously, I'm a huge Fedor fan but how many other fighters will fight you at your own gameplan and defeat you? Torres comes to mind and that's about it.

There is a reason why Silva has stated he would like to fight Fedor. He knows it would be a huge money match and he said himself Fedor is top 3. Silva wants to test himself against the best.

Sorry if I didn't answer your questions well enough..I'm a bit tired!

raysup on May 22, 2009 at 2:32 pm ET
Why is it that when GSP loses to Matt Serra, it's because Serra got extremely lucky or that GSP was having personal problems....yet people are already chomping at the bit for Fedor to lose (however it may be) JUST so they can call him a hoax?

Makes absolutely no sense.

I guess when you're on top, people just want to bring you down, whichever way they can.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 6:16 pm ET

jjj2121 on May 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm ET
FYI Coleman/Bonnar is an undercard fight

NickHavok on May 21, 2009 at 1:25 pm ET
Really? I thought for sure it was televised. Oh well, thanks for the information.

Wow, I'm surprised though, the UFC is going to bury one of it's Hall of Famers on the undercard? That is just cold.

rush16 on May 21, 2009 at 3:35 pm ET
Ya letting him fight on the biggest UFC card in history is pretty mean eh. LOL Nick lost the argument but still finds a way to bash the UFC, gotta give you an A for effort there Nick.

NickHavok on May 22, 2009 at 8:02 am ET
Exactly, he is fighting on the biggest PPV in UFC history.

Coleman must really suck huh?

rush16 on May 21, 2009 at 2:07 pm ET
Isnt Cloeman fighting on the undercard at UFC 100? Im pretty sure he is, man why dont you use Big Nog for the argument your trying to make.

NickHavok on May 22, 2009 at 8:04 am ET
Either way.

You get the point.

Fedor is the man.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm ET
yes, notice FORMER

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 7:54 pm ET
yes and of course once you're no longer the ufc champ all the skill and strength drains out of you never to return.
nice logic there.

pettibone311 on May 21, 2009 at 10:46 am ET
i want barnett to win- even though i dont like him...
i just wanna see the internet shut off and the planet stop spinning

Iron_nads on May 21, 2009 at 10:48 am ET

TFK on May 21, 2009 at 10:47 am ET
I give the card a 50/50 shot of actually happening.


carp on May 21, 2009 at 11:13 am ET

Iron_nads on May 21, 2009 at 10:47 am ET
He was saying "whose your daddy now, b*tch?"

when that photo was taken.

JakeBo on May 21, 2009 at 10:48 am ET
Barnett's too slow to beat Fedor.  I'm thinking he'll use Barnett's weight advantage against him and beat him in the 2nd or 3rd round via submission.

Majestyk1976 on May 21, 2009 at 11:18 am ET
Maybe, but Barnett is crafty on the ground.

mmainukraine on May 21, 2009 at 10:49 am ET
good that they finally set a hard date. but whats next for FEdor? Affliction is falling apart thats probably their last show. maybe he will work sh*t out with dana and go to UFC. if not than what?? Dream? Sengoku? not too many places to fight out there Strikeforce can only offer him overeem and rematch with arlovski. Dream can get him Kharitonov, monson, maybe werdum will go there but thats about i..  would love to see him be a champ in UFC

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 11:31 am ET
The funny thing is there isnt anything left for Fedor. no one is on his level. The UFC fighters atm are mostly cans and nobodies that are hyped up like crazy. Fedor vs Overeem would be sick though

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm ET

 Man I was just starting to agee with you on some of your posts on other subjects but here you again with your blind unjustified hatred for all things UFC & un-dieing love for Fedor. I am not a Zuffa juicer as you & Nick like to call them, I am a MMA fan. I am also realistic & realize that 90% of the worlds best fighters fight for ZUFFA(UFC & WEC). Just check all the top ten rankings & see how many are ZUFFA fighters. It may not be 90% but its at lest 80%.

 You saying the UFC Heavyweights are mostly cans & nobodies is absolutely the most ignorant thing I've ever read. You are telling me that out of Lesner,Mir,Big Nog, Dos Santos, Carwin, Velezquez, Couture,Kongo,Berry,and Gonzaga are cans? Go ahead & type that out I'd like to read it for myself so I can have a good chuckle.

 Most of these outside of Nog,Mir, & Couture guys are all young & at the start of their career & haven't really had a chance to prove themselves which all of them are currently in the process of doing in the #1 organazation in the world which is more that can be said about some fighters who never step foot in the octagon.
 I agree that Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world. But after he beats Barnett a FORMER(as in not current) UFC champ then he has three choices.
1.Continue fighting against second tier competition strictly for paychecks, because they will be no one left tht he hasn't beaten outside the UFC that is even close to being a legitimate contender. And I'm including Overeem in that statement,beating up on CroCop by kicking him in the nads doesnt make him legitimate. And Jeff Monson? lets be serious here folks.
2.Retire as the best heavyweight of all time *THAT HAS NEVER FOUGHT IN THE OCTAGON. Thats a pretty big asterisk on your legacy if you ask me.
3.Sign with the UFC even if its for slightly less money which I feel he would make up for in endorsements once he gets the exposure the UFC brings, Wins the UFC heavyweight title, which he is more than capable of doing but its certainly not a given, anything can happen when two giant men step into the octagon & go toe to toe, nothing in MMA is a given.If he does that then he retires as without question the best heavywight in the history of MMA with out anybody really even being a close second.

I would prefer he do number 3 but I really don't think its gonna happen. But seriously the UFC heavyweight division is gaining mor legitamacy by the day & within a year will dominat the top ten rankings wih or withou Fedor.


ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 12:08 pm ET
I agree the UFC has the best fighters in the world over all and that there is no competition on there level ATM at all or ever will be any time soon. I love the UFC (not Dana White) Im purchasing UFC 98 and so on. The thing I hate is the blind hate Fedor. the man doesnt fight in the UFC for obvious reasons but fans will come up with cray ass conclusions.

Those fighters you listed are all up and coming fighters they have no big wins over 2 big opponents. They hype each other up. Lesner, Dos Santos, Carwin, Velezquez, Couture,Kongo,Berry,and Gonzaga are no bodies atm there all hyped up to the UFC standard.

Mir personally said he cant beat Fedor.

Nog already got beat by Fedor

as For Couture hes to old he'll get beatin in every aspect of MMA against Fedor.

Honestly after this fight with Barnett I want to see him fight Overeem then move to the UFC. At that time when he moves to the UFC. The UFC HW's will be much more experienced then they are atm.

But the problem is the contract Dana offered Fedor. or else we would probably see Fedor in there by now

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm ET
Contract my ass.....then why is every fighters still want to fight for UFC and only one fearing UFC is Fedor?


ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 1:41 pm ET
[Deleted, insulting other posters. -admin]

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 2:22 pm ET
why hate man?  I am JUST delivering Truth? 

Fedor was good in Pride, yes. No arguement.
Fedor is still good today? yes/no cuz he's show little and not accepting challenges.

Its his choice not to show yes.  But its my choice to say he's legit today, yes.
Not hating on the dude...
Old days, he was. 
Nowadays, he's so so.  Waiting for him to deliver, make me a deliver.

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 4:23 pm ET
Fair enough.

I'd say he is far from so-so though. Just because you havn't seen him in a cage shouldn't derail his past 2 victories. Dana flew out to Chicago practically trying to resign Arlovski. That is the one guy he did not want to lose at all. You can actually read articles on it. Arlovski is still a guy that will probably make his way back to the UFC.

Don't get me wrong I'd like to see Fedor in the UFC at one point as well. I think he would be even more dangerous since he could utilize the cage with his gNp. The ring gets in the way many times. Can you imagine Fedor pinning his opponent against the cage and just going off and not having to worry about rope breaks?!

I just think if you watch his overall career, he has done enough to prove any of the doubters wrong. At the same point I can understand why people would want him in the UFC as well.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 6:31 pm ET
Corey, I know he is great in the eyes of those who had seen him.  I can't argue with that cuz I wasn't around mma back then.  I am now and want him to show me.  Not agains those EX champs.  Look I can't argue that he suck back then cuz he was good and I utube him and he was great.  No doubt...but those were Pride Days.  Yes, Affliction is showing him fight Tim/AA/Josh now but those are UFC runaways. They were good.  Not sure if they can hang with UFC HWs now. We just won't know cuz they're asking for too much.  Do you think UFC will take them back for say $500 gs per fight?  I say no, cuz i know UFC has HW that can propaby beat AA/Tim now and are making some noise and gainin fans.  All I wanna see is...because he is still "great"...i want him to fight the greatest.  UFC can provide that.  I just don't want him to say "yeah, i'll fight in ufc" in 3-4 yrs down the road.  That'll be too late.  I rather have him not do it if its not now. 

MMASupreme on May 21, 2009 at 2:50 pm ET
HAHAHA... $0$0 $0 $0What are you talking about? There are tons of fighters who don't like the exclusive contracts and rather fight outside of the UFC.$0 $0Fedor is not the only one.$0

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 3:09 pm ET
Oh...u talkin about Gomi?


coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 4:31 pm ET
Or of the greatest and brightest mma stars?! I could really go on for quite a bit!

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 6:20 pm ET
Anybody that's with RED DEVIL? ofcourse.  If fedor says no...its all no.  But out of Fedor and Co? Who?  Don't give me can names tho.  Cuz I can list a lot.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 8:26 pm ET
I dont know whats in the other fighters ufc contracts I just know what I read of what is in the one offered to fedor
was total garbage. you should read up on it before making dumb statements that he is "scared"

 thanks for vomiting UFC all over the floor.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 1:47 pm ET

 Good posts. I agree with some of it & disagree with some. I respect your opinion & realize that you do have extensive knowledge of MMA but there ar some things I just don't think we are going to agree on & there is nothing wrong with that.

 Sorry if I copme off like an As*hole sometimes but this is an issue I am very passionate about as I can see you are too. I enjoyed the debate but I have to get some work done or my ass is gonna get fired.


ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 1:54 pm ET
lol no worries man good arguments and intresting. It happens using emotion during writting makes it intresting and also seems mean but it works the best. alright man have fun at work lol

Sniper71 on May 21, 2009 at 5:37 pm ET
Actually during a recent interview with Mir on MMAfix Mir stated that he could beat Fedor.  They asked him if Fedor was the best heavyweight and he said "He has a better record than me but is he the best? I don't know about that.  Can I beat him?   Yea definately I can."

pogiako on May 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm ET
almost all of your post end up in fedor legacy being doubted by most people because everybody looks up to ufc.

is it the most important thing? to prove youself to people?
aint it more important to follow want you want?
does his greatness rely on the eyes of others?

aint the work you have done should be the reflection of his legacy rather than the opinion of many?

i would also want fedor to be in ufc at one time, but his legacy is as it is w/ or w/o ufc.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 1:57 pm ET
 I agree completely his legacy is as it is. And that legacy is the best heavyweight ever TO NEVER HAVE FOUGHT IN THE UFC. If he is happy wih that then I commend him for not caring about others opinions. If everybody lived their life in that way the world would b a better place.

pogiako on May 21, 2009 at 2:07 pm ET
i disagree.

he is the best heavyweight that ever fought. period.


gives out context that he is not. w/c is hyprocitical imo.

as much as i like ufc, and brock lesnar. fedor is the greatest w/ or w/o them.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 2:50 pm ET

 You're right he is the greatest heavyweight TO HAVE NEVER FOUGHT IN THE UFC.  I don't see how that is in anyway out of context or hypocritical.

 Lets look at it this way, in every other weight class the fighter who goes down as the greatest ever will have fought in the UFC at one time or another, I dont think theres any way to argue that. Fedor is the only one trying to stake claim to be he best at his weight class that hasn't fought in the most competetive succecful org. in th history of the sport. Therefor when making an arguement it must be pointed ou that there is one thing that he hasnt done that all the other fighters considered to be the best have done. Not out of context simply a fact.


pogiako on May 21, 2009 at 3:58 pm ET
i know youll disagree , fwiw.

why cant you simply state that he is the best heavyweight in the mma?
why should you keep scrubbing it in our faces that yet has not  fought in the ufc?

because those are facts? yes they are. no context? , cmon... 

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 5:56 pm ET

 I clearly stated the reasoning behind why you have to add TO NEVER FIGHT IN THE UFC when you alk about him being the greatest heavyweight.

And I can simply state that he is the best heavyeight in MMA..TO NEVER HAVE FOUGHT IN THE UFC.


ThiagoTKOSilva on May 21, 2009 at 6:54 pm ET
Fedor vs Overeem? Are you kidding me.... Overeem is the one that's hyped up like crazy.  He can stand and strike with the greats but always ends up losing.  Junior Dos Santos would take out Overeem in the first round.  Fedor vs Overeem would just be retarded, in that case why don't they just make Fedor vs Sylvia 2....

ezx248 on May 22, 2009 at 1:48 am ET
Thanks but you just proved your self wrong. When Overeem was striking he was a.... LHW. DO research come back the talk. Overeem has evolved more then ever. he is a HW with well rounded skills and sh*t just recently he beat Badr Hari and pretty much Bonjasky in a straight up K-1 rules fight.

firstrounder on May 21, 2009 at 11:43 am ET
Yeah, but imagine what that would do for Strikeforce as far as sellability.

There cards are already rivaling some UFC's, and they set up good fights.

UFC would actually have legitimate competition if that came to be.

Ccarter on May 21, 2009 at 11:48 am ET
You kidding me? They aren't even close to rivaling UFC yet. They maybe have the potential to someday rival them, but right now, they got owned on their last card when UFC put GSP and BJ on for free.

Gmunit on May 21, 2009 at 10:53 am ET
awesome, can't wait !

Gmunit on May 21, 2009 at 10:55 am ET
btw Junkie, you spelled the man's name wrong (in the title), 'Fedor' is easier

fisk on May 21, 2009 at 10:57 am ET
Barnett is not too slow, but he is the slowest frag Fedor is to take.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 10:58 am ET
Just a Question???

Posters on this board for years have called Fedor out for his limited resume over the past few years.  Recently, with his wins over the Pitt Bull and Sylvia those opinions have subsided a bit. 


Why is Barnett given a free pass.  Who has he fought RECENTLY to warrant a #2-4 ranking on various ranknings?  I don't get it and I have never understood that about Barnett.  I'm not a newbie or a troll - I just don't get the hype with Barnett in the past 2 years..... who has he beaten... Yoshida, Monson, Yvel, and Rizzo - does that make you #2 in the world..... not in my poll

Don't get me wrong, I want to see this fight.... I just don't the Barnett n-huggers

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 11:00 am ET
don't get...

(proofreeding before posting would be helpful)

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 11:00 am ET
and spelling proofreading correctly would help as well

ZzZ on May 21, 2009 at 11:04 am ET
I think it really depends on what polls you look at, Barnett was definitely #2(or very highly ranked) in the world at some point but most polls that still have him ranked so highly do so because they bias slightly against the UFC.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 11:06 am ET

ZzZ on May 21, 2009 at 11:11 am ET
ha im looking at sherdog right now to see if i was talking out my ass but..robbie lawler is #5 middle weight. Bisping isn't a ranked middle weight.. or even in contention..Shinya Aoki is #2 lw, Alvarez is #3....Joachim Hansen is i'm typing this as i read the list and this is lame. JZ calvante is #5 Somehow sean serk is #6, when he would truck almost everyone above him on the lw list..

Point...Obvious bias against UFC is obvious.

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 11:15 am ET
I never understood Sherk's rankings either....

I think he can beat pretty much anyone in the world save Penn... I still think he has Florian's number... he's so strong

Boring... sometimes.... but over-powering

spree82 on May 21, 2009 at 11:18 am ET
Point-obvious overuse of the word obvious.

carp on May 21, 2009 at 11:54 am ET

mrtommy74 on May 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm ET
how are the polls biased against UFC if they rankings demonstrate UFC dominance?  They're biased against the UFC if 100% of the rankings are not UFC?

I don't understand your comment unless you are being sarcastic.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 11:34 am ET
The reason is because there isn't anyone else there going to put #2 or anyone else that really deserves number #2. Who else would you have there?

UFC biased? thats why they have A. Silva on most sites as P4P best.

rush16 on May 21, 2009 at 10:59 am ET
This is f*ckin sweet. IMO Barnett doesent really have a chance at winning this fight but just getting to watch Fedor fight is worth the PPV money. Gonna be a sweet summer for MMA matchups. I believe this will be the last Affliction show that the organzation will be able to put on. Id like to see Belfort on the card as well, even though the probably dont got any worthy opponents at MW. Even know I think Barnett is the most overrated HW out there, this is probably the only matchup outside the UFC that will be left for Fedor that can actually get fans excited for. Great news though, August is gonna be sweet.

CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 11:02 am ET
Barnett had enough trouble with Fedor's brother, this is going to be a joke.

pogiako on May 21, 2009 at 11:05 am ET
imo, barnett doesnt have the skill set to seriously challenge fedor

barnett is good on the ground but its not in the level of fedor,
barnett's standup? n oway he can stand up for fedor.

fedor will just walk over barnett, dont get me wrong i do believe barnett is a good hw, but simply subpar against fedor.

to be beat fedor, you must be exceptional in one area, wrestling, striking.. because he is very good at all aspects.
barnett doesnt really have that.

fedor round1. tko.

ZzZ on May 21, 2009 at 11:12 am ET
Fedor is like...100% of Fedor...Barnett has a similar style but is like 70% as effective.

hawkONE on May 21, 2009 at 11:06 am ET
Fedor is going to clean out all of Afflictions HW division and then what, sign KIMBO to keep the business going?

Affliction is outta gas

aquacasey1 on May 21, 2009 at 11:12 am ET
Sadly, I see a Kimbo vs. Fedor fight happening....

Well, maybe it's not sad... Now all of the "Kimbo-Fans"  can see him in there with a true Heavyweight.... I would pay to see that beatdown.

ZzZ on May 21, 2009 at 11:13 am ET
Affliction should pick up liddell and have fedor drop to lhw

Majestyk1976 on May 21, 2009 at 11:19 am ET
Why?  So Liddell can get KO'd again?  It would have been a better fight 3-5 years ago.

vicewalls on May 21, 2009 at 11:14 am ET
I hope to god this is true! This is the best possible match up we can see for Fedor outside of the UFC.

TheIceMan2010 on May 21, 2009 at 11:26 am ET
And that is very very sad.

PacNWMMAfanatic on May 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm ET
Sad? The #1 and #2 Heavyweights fighting is sad? Please enlighten me.

hawkONE on May 21, 2009 at 11:20 am ET
Best place for anyone to go these days, is Strikeforce. Their building the 'open network' fighting establishment where anyone can fight from any promotion, no boundaries.

If Lidell enacts his exodus from the UFC, this will be an eye opener to most in the business althought I highly DOUBT he would leave for many reasons. I see Lidell in one UFC more fight just not right away. Randy Couture retired, took time off and returned with great results.

I hope Lidell follows suit, changes camps and betters his one dimensional game.

Barnett vs Fedor doesn't seem very interesting.

Ccarter on May 21, 2009 at 4:58 pm ET
Liddell isn't ever leaving. Dana will hold him up in courts for years if he has to, even if he has no case, he'll find a way to keep him in courts.

tschulte111 on May 21, 2009 at 11:21 am ET
Could you hear that???

I swore I could hear millions of dollars fly out the window.

Other than hardcore fans NO ONE wants to see Barnett fight.   When he was in the champ in the UFC mma was still small business.   If I didn't follw MMA regularly on the web I wouldn't even know who he was.

CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 11:21 am ET
Fedor "is there no else!, is there no else,!!!!"  "are you not entertained!!!"  Its sad when he's so good that after Barnett you really have no one outside of UFC worth even watching him fight.  SCARY!!!

I think Atencio and Dana need to square off against Fedor

Majestyk1976 on May 21, 2009 at 11:22 am ET
WTF??????????????  Fedor is fighting 2x in one year?  lol

mmainukraine on May 21, 2009 at 11:37 am ET
omg how often does Randy Cotoure fight?
or BJ Penn

Jackson didnt fight for  a year between Hendo and Griffin.

Majestyk1976 on May 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm ET
Dude, was a joke.   COUTURE was in contract dispute and BJ Penn is a whiner and lazy, can't argue with you on that.  Uh, Jackson fought 3x  in 2007 before that layoff.  Don't skew the facts

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 11:38 am ET
BJ fought once in almost 2 years.

If Brock Fought on 98 it would of been 1 fight in 7 months.

GSP is going for his 2nd fight this year and that probably all.

AS is having his 2nd fight this year.


condrab on May 21, 2009 at 1:13 pm ET
Brock and silva both competed 3 times in 08, and silva will probably fight 3 times this year. Gsp fought 4 times from dec 07 to feb 09, rampage 3 times from July of 08 to apr of 09. Bj Penn.... Is a tool. This will be fedors 3rd fight in just over a year. Not a bad pace, the problem isn't his lack of fights it's afflictions lack of events.

Majestyk1976 on May 21, 2009 at 1:28 pm ET
Affliction doesn't have Fedo under contract does he? 

KDawg2600 on May 21, 2009 at 1:57 pm ET
I'll grant you that Penn and Couture don't fight that often, but the guys most usually compared to Fedor are GSP and Anderson Silva. While it's true that AS will have only fought 2 times in this calendar year, I think that's a skewed sample. If we look at what the 3 of them have done since 07 started (I included Fedor's 2006 NYE fight):


Hunt -> Lindland 8 months
Lindland -> Choi 8 months
Choi -> Sylvia 7 months
Sylvia -> Arlovski 6 months
Arlovski -> Barnett 6 months

Anderson Silva

Lutter -> Marquardt 5 months
Marquardt -> Franklin 3 months
Franklin -> Henderson 5 months
Henderson -> Irvin 4 months
Irvin -> Cote 3 months
Cote -> Leites 6 months
Leites -> Griffin 4 months


Serra -> Koscheck 4 months
Koscheck -> Hughes 4 months
Hughes -> Serra 4 months
Serra -> Fitch 4 months
Fitch -> Penn 5 months
Penn -> Alves 6 months

Fedor: 5 fights, average 7 month layoff between
AS: 7 fights, average 4.3 month layoff between
GSP 6 fights, average 4.5 month layoff

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 4:39 pm ET
It might be helpful to add in the slow time between Fedor fights is that the organization he fought for was broken apart and had mutliple hand injuries that eventually causes surgery.

Before the 2006 era he was fighting much more. Fedor has now said he is happy with his schedule. He said there is a time in every mma fighters life where they have to fight to prove themself. Once they get to that point they have to prepare themself even more to prove why they are considered at the top of the game.

s00nertp on May 21, 2009 at 7:36 pm ET
good point coreymb I forgot about that myself.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 8:06 pm ET
well  longer times between matches is actually tougher to deal with as you fall further out of fighting shape.
CC said this in an interview I believe. and of course some one will squirt some UFC and say "yeah but that means he's
 not having  as man opponents to deal with" .
He's already got 31 fights under his belt he doesn't have to build more of a record at this point.

hawkONE on May 21, 2009 at 11:30 am ET
is it just me, or was it a sad attempt by Antencio to call out Dana for a fight? To me, it was almost like the 'Boy calling wolf' where Affliction needs more attention this was their last and best ditched attempt.

With all of the investors (trump/ Golden Boy) i expected so much more and yet here we are, shows stalling, match ups are still weak if not even worth its time. John McCarthy is reffing which still makes no sense, i thought the guy was retiring!

phoenix-mma on May 21, 2009 at 11:30 am ET
They'll be lucky to do 50,000 ppv buys. And Buentello/Sylvia? Come on Tom, take some hints from Strikeforce on how to put together exciting cards. Fedor is fun to watch, but so is my dog licking his own b*lls

PacNWMMAfanatic on May 21, 2009 at 1:28 pm ET
Fedor is fun to watch, but so is my dog licking his own b*lls $0You might wanna go to the doctor and get that checked out!$0

MMASupreme on May 21, 2009 at 2:53 pm ET
People have been saying that for the first 2 shows and they did 100K or more on both shows...LOL. $0Love it when the haters keep on hating.$0

the_golden_boy on May 21, 2009 at 11:33 am ET
thats easy homework for fedor. barnett is not between TOP10 heavyweights. fedor will destroy him and finally he will be free to go in another mma promotion, i hope in usa (ufc or strikeforce) and not in japan.

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 11:40 am ET
Tom better grow a brain this time and actually advertise like there first event. There second one was a dud I didnt catch any commercials of it what so ever. Im feeling hes going to do the same mistake as before.

phoenix-mma on May 21, 2009 at 11:42 am ET
And unfortunately this fight is LESS marketable than the AA fight. I guess its good that they finally announced the card, so now they can begin bankruptcy proceedings right after

Beathisfacein on May 21, 2009 at 11:44 am ET
I will be surprised if this fight happens. They have both publicly said they don't want to fight eachother. I would still love to see it though.

youngsane510 on May 21, 2009 at 11:46 am ET
fedor wins a unanaous decision.
sylvia wins via ko

affliction folds

CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 11:58 am ET
Affliction does a horrible job marketing anybody still yet.  They should be trying to pump up Fedor like he is a demigod to the public and media and milk it for all its worth because he's not going to lose atleast not to Baby faced Assasin and he is the only card they have in their hand.

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 5:19 pm ET
One major problem - UFC owns the PRIDE video library.

How do you promote Fedor with only showing 2 fights from his past?


CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 11:59 am ET
Affliction would do well to also let it be known that they possess the best heavyweight in the world and milk that concept to anyone willing to listen...

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm ET
I'll stream this bout....I won't pay to watch Fedor if he won't actknowledge the CAGE, UFC, Competition, my wishes!

MMASupreme on May 21, 2009 at 2:56 pm ET
I will stream every UFC event...I wont pay to watch the UFC until they ackowledge the best fighter in the world, my wishes!

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 3:10 pm ET
Sure go ahead....

Its cool with me. 

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 8:16 pm ET

actually he did acknowledge the ufc when he made complimentary remarks about lesner.
how one acknowledges an inanimate object like a cage idk.
 the reason he's not in the ufc is thanks to Dana take it up with him.

greg22 on May 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
Buentello vs Sylvia will be cool.  I thought Sylvia was gonna try boxing.

madman81 on May 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
I feel so sorry for the Affliction fighters.

I would want to fight more than 2 times a year.

I would like to either see more Affliction events or them go under and all fighters go to the UFC

Gmunit on May 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm ET
Atencio lets them fight elsewhere as long as it doesn't affect his show

MMASupreme on May 21, 2009 at 2:57 pm ET
The beauty of having a promoter willing to work with others and non-exclusive contracts outside of the US.

VanillaGorilla4Life on May 21, 2009 at 3:07 pm ET

 I don't think its Atencio lets them fight elsewhere I think its Atencio doesn't have a choice but to let them fight elsewhere. If he didn't he wouldnt have any fighters under contract because nobody is gonna sign with an org exclusively that doesn't have more than 2 cards a year.
  I mean its cool that they have non exclusive contracts but I don't really think thats a compliment to Atencia, I'm sure he would love to be able to sign fighters exclusively, he just doenst have the capability.


greg22 on May 21, 2009 at 12:09 pm ET
Affliction and Strikeforce should merge.

madman81 on May 21, 2009 at 12:13 pm ET
That would work too.  Affliction just cant do it on their own.  What if Fedor goes and fights elsewhere for one fight and gets hurt.  That would put a big time hurting on Affliction.

N8rncWar on May 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm ET
Not UFC, Strikeforce, Dream, MFC, WEC or Affliction
Just love the sport, Fedor IS #1 no if ands or butts
Also has anyone talked about Affliction merging with Strikeforce? Cuz that would be awesome for all of us fans!
One more thing, if these guys want to keep throwing up cards against each other then I think the real winner is the us!!

CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm ET
even if Fedor goes to the UFC I'm sorry but I can't come up with a convincing argument and would challenge anyone else to of anybody in the ufc having better than a 35% chance of beating him with possibly the exception of Anderson Silva (a much heavier one which means slower) that I might give a 45% chance that Anderson would win but I just can't see any legit heavyweight out there who wouldn't lose nearly 70% of the time or more to Fedor...  The talent is mostly young and not tested or matured enough or there is old talent like Nog and Couture.  Mir is interesting particularly if he were to beat Lesnar in dramatic fashion but come on who could see Mir taking care of Fedor, honestly, not me.  With Anderson Silva, if it went to the ground which it probably would if Fedor felt like he couldn't handle him standing up I just thing the sheer power and tenacious offense of Fedor would overwhelm the spider via GNP.

joestevens29 on May 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm ET
It just sucks that none of these Heavyweights that Fedor are fighting are all that great. So what he beat Arlovski and Silva, who have they really beat recently? Even if he were to fight the top heavyweights in the UFC, it's not like any of them are really that great. Maybe if Mir or Lesnar put a string of decent wins together they might prove to be a match, but right now there really isn't anyone.

By the time someone comes along and beats Fedor, it will be said that Fedor wasn't in his prime.

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm ET
How much is JOSH asking for: $2mil?

1st Tim $750 gs
2nd AA $1.5 mil
Now Josh ?? could it be $2mil.


rocklobster on May 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm ET
hope he accepts IOU's.

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 4:19 pm ET
Barnett said both of his checks from the previous affliction events cleared right away. Don't think we will be needing IOU's! :)

I remember this because he said he had problems with getting paid in the past from other orgs.

prodigyfan on May 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm ET
Great news. This is the fight we all wanted to see and I like Sylvia vs Buentello as a possible co main event.

joestevens29 on May 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm ET
Any word to the undercard?

CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm ET
Lyoto if he continues to look impervious to getting hurt or even punched would be kind of cool but never going to happen.  And then theres the ground game where Lyoto wouldn't be able to move laterally out of the way.  But maybe in a striking only contest that would be interesting.

ev on May 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm ET
I think this is easily a match up between the two best heavyweights in the world right now, without a question.  Can't wait for this one.

joestevens29 on May 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm ET
Not sure I'd call Burnett #2, but he is next in line in my books.

ev on May 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm ET
I can totally respect that, I know it is always up for debate, who is number 2.  I think most of us are in an agreement on who is number 1.

ev on May 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm ET
Kind of intrested, are you guys more excited about this fight or the Lesnar vs. Mir fight?  Personally, this is a fight that I can't wait to see, way more excited for this one.

joestevens29 on May 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm ET
For me it is Mir Vs. Lesnar. Don't get me wrong I think Fedor and Barnett is a great matchup, but I kinda already have a feeling to what will happen.

Mir vs. Lesnar on the other hand should be different then their first fight. Both fighters are getting better striking, but I think Lesnar overall is starting to round his game better. Mir on the other hand is younger but is the vet in the fight, and I think his experience is what he will need to use to win.

CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 1:01 pm ET
probably Fedor Barnett since Mir Lesnar already happened once...

daho80 on May 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm ET
its funny..
usually you hear the same rhetoric when it come to discussions about Fedor...

-"i'm not a believer until he comes to the UFC"
-"he's fought has beens/wash-ups"
-"if  he wants to be considered the best, he has to fight in the UFC"
so on and so forth..

usually you can determine how good of an athlete he is from what his/her peers
say about him. Peers who  are in the same field and actually know what their talking about..
with that being said:

Mir who is considered one of the top HW's in the UFC admits he is not ready to face Fedor
GSP the best WW in the UFC and one of the top p4p mma fighter has said Fedor is the #1 p4p mma fighter
i can go on but basically if you ask any reputable mma fighter out there who is the #1 MMA HW is
their answer without a doubt would be Fedor.

as long as your peers acknoweldge your level of ability..doest matter too much about
what "keyboard warriors" , Dana etc have to say....
Fedor doesn't have to prove anything to anyone he already has,
is doing so and anybody that matters i.e his peers, mma fans know this already.


JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 1:27 pm ET
ask your typical friends if they know UFC and Affliction.

They surely say UFC.

Ask if they know Brock or Fedor.

They surely say Brock.


You built your name...the world will know you.
You want fan need to build your name.

daho80 on May 21, 2009 at 1:39 pm ET
but thats one of my points
Fedor doesnt need to prove anything to anyone..
sure in North America the avg person will know Brock more
but does that really matter?
what his peers thinks mean more to him...and his peers
know and acknowledge he is best..
he doesnt have to go to the UFC to prove anything..
as well outside of North America i.e. Asia, Europe
Fedor is more well known

PacNWMMAfanatic on May 21, 2009 at 1:40 pm ET
ask your typical friends if they know UFC and Affliction. $0Yeah if your friends are 13 year olds. I'm 25 and all my friends know who Fedor is. You kids were in diapers when Fedor was cutting his teeth. If you are a young UFC fan that doesnt follow the rest of MMA, then you only know of Brock. The only reason Brock is a bigger draw is because the WWE fans only buy PPVs that he is on. If the UFC finally did give Fedor a fair contract, they would have no problem promoting him. Just show some highlights from his fights and everyone will want to see more.$0

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 2:13 pm ET my college friends are goin to LV for UFC. As well as the younger generation watching UFC, yep!

PacNWMMAfanatic on May 21, 2009 at 3:20 pm ET
You are a Fedor hater.

sport_not_profit on May 21, 2009 at 3:46 pm ET
he showed you....he has friends that are 18

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 4:07 pm ET
no hate man.  He was before my time that I started liking MMA.  Fedor was in my opinion.  I want him to deliver today agains the best to make me a believer.  Hate me if you like.  But my opinion still stands.

Shreds on May 21, 2009 at 6:51 pm ET
Ultimately the UFC will be the only company that can promote Fedor in the USA and create the American fan base you are speaking about.

Reason being - UFC owns the PRIDE video library


jadrig on May 21, 2009 at 8:27 pm ET
GSP is not that bright...

He said that Fedor is the best P4P fighter in the world, then 2 minutes later on the next question...He was Asked:

Who would win in a fight between Randy and Fedor...

He replied Randy!!!

dont quote stupid fighters....

I respect what fighters do in training and in the octagon, but they are usually  not the brightest people in the world.

Paradoxx on May 21, 2009 at 1:35 pm ET
Barnett better start shooting up those roids he used to beat Couture if he hopes to have a prayer against Fedor.

Joey_Larazza on May 21, 2009 at 1:39 pm ET
Barnett has a good chin, keeps the pressure on his opponents, good wrestling/takedown defense. This will be Fedor's biggest test and if he destroys Barnett then we will know if he is the real dominant force that he is hyped up to be. I don't think he'll dominate Barnett. I actually think Barnett will win by decision.

goodewend on May 21, 2009 at 2:21 pm ET
U have lost your mind... but hey, it's your opinion, but I believe you are way off

SPADEtheHUSTLER on May 21, 2009 at 1:42 pm ET
Exactly, only way Barrnet has a chance
roids' is the only reason he was champ in UFC
UFC has a bunch of steroid user's, the water based steroids are so hard to trace, thats the big problem

Everytime someone gets caughts its like 'oh you showed real talnet on drugs but you didnt earn it yourself'

Sylvia looks like a slob ever since he got off roids

matthew5608 on May 21, 2009 at 6:08 pm ET
you are really igorant if you believe Fedor hasn't done roids. He made his career in Japan!

I honestly believe ONE of the reasons why we don't see alot of the succesful fighters from japan come over and be as good is because of the more strict rules on roids, cro cop, wandy, sokodju etc.

Yes Fedor has done well in America so far, there is no denying his skills, but less than a year ago everyone was raving that a fight between him and Randy would determine the best HW in the world. And since then all he has done is beat UFC cast aways. now he is all of a sudden the best p4p in the world??? And the same people will put Brock at #5 when he beat the man who was ranked up there with fedor one fight ago?

Maybe my reasoning is a little different than most but this just doesn't make sense.

Go Barnet!

ezx248 on May 21, 2009 at 7:06 pm ET
I find your post ignorant and biased and also a Joke

tito500 on May 21, 2009 at 1:45 pm ET
sorry folks but at this point brock or mir would get killed by fedor. arlovski and barnett would beat any heavy in the ufc

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 2:12 pm ET

PacNWMMAfanatic on May 21, 2009 at 3:19 pm ET
Mir himself says he would lose to Fedor. You're just a fedor hater sweetheart.

Sniper71 on May 21, 2009 at 6:03 pm ET
I think everyone can stop trying to quote Mir saying he would lose to Fedor.  He has aparently changed his mind.

Actually during a recent interview with Mir on MMAfix Mir stated that he could beat Fedor.  They asked him if Fedor was the best heavyweight and he said "He has a better record than me but is he the best? I don't know about that.  Can I beat him?   Yea definately I can."

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 6:18 pm ET
Yes tell them already....shesh...

ThiagoTKOSilva on May 21, 2009 at 7:12 pm ET
Seriously, I think I've heard that quote 83 times on here.  There's no need to repeat it that many times, I think everyone has heard it by now. 

ev on May 21, 2009 at 5:43 pm ET
was that funny?

HARDAss on May 21, 2009 at 1:47 pm ET

tito500 on May 21, 2009 at 1:47 pm ET
fedor is like michael jordan of mma. he has beaten every veteran that mattered. the ufc only has cans as fights for fedor.

Adlerschwinge on May 21, 2009 at 1:51 pm ET
barnett 3rd round tko ant fedore walk out not even tiered ...but i thing barnett will not fight ^^ injury ore something ;)

Adlerschwinge on May 21, 2009 at 1:54 pm ET
my english is so bat sorry for that ..... i mean barnett loose ant =and  sorry

jadrig on May 21, 2009 at 8:22 pm ET
Dont worry man, Eczx249's got the worst english have nothing to worry about...

Clangclanggang on May 21, 2009 at 1:54 pm ET
This fight (if it even happens) is average at best.  Why would I pay to watch something that is a foregone conclusion?  Fedor may very well be the best in the world, but Barnett is no where close to his league.  IF this happens and IF there is an undercard worth a crap, I might buy it, but trying to sell this as a great fight is like putting Tiger Woods in match play against a club pro and telling me it is the Masters.  Can anyone tell me if Strikeforce is putting up the husge money for fighters like affliction is?  ( serious question)  They have a nice card coming up and I am curious if they are paying large amounts for fighters or are they more in line wih the UFC payscale.  

goodewend on May 21, 2009 at 2:19 pm ET
I'll 100 bucks if it were only fedor fighting... as long as je is fighting, regardless of whom it is, its just nice to see him against top rated fighters. Hopefully Tom will keep this date. Then, after the fight, maybe Fedor can start negotiations with UFC and Strikeforce.

atn on May 21, 2009 at 2:21 pm ET
I kind of agree with Clangclang..., but my assessment of Barnett's skills is different from yours. I think Barnett is definetely a Top 5 HW. He's on of the best submission wrestlers at HW.

Many HW rankings place Barnett as the 3rd HW in the world (see for example Sherdog's rankings).

I think the fight will be competitive.

Mr20569 on May 21, 2009 at 2:22 pm ET
Just can't forget that he fights little guys in a boxing ring, and with special rules. No striking against Babalu. No knees against Choi. Let's give him a taste of his own medicine, fight in a cage but Fedor can't armbar. If his baby skin can't handle an accidental elbow, how about an intentional one? He can't go on 'cause he got a widdle headbutt? poor baby. Ask Carwin or Gonzaga how it feels to fight with a shattered nose. I have far nore respect for those guys. One more thing, Fedor said CC was his toughest opponent ever, enough said. 

daho80 on May 21, 2009 at 3:04 pm ET
have you seen any of Fedor's previous fights?
fugita, randleman enough said

and your remarks about Crocop is comical at best..
have some respect...when they fought Crocop was
#2 heavyweight in the world...was no joke..

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 5:20 pm ET
When Mirko entered the UFC D. White and Joe Silva both expected Mirko to become the HW champion in very short time and hold the belt for sometime.(Rogan also further mentioned this)

That is how highly they thought of him. Either Mirko's nerves were too much for the cage or maybe he is past his prime. Either way, there is no denying he was one of the best heavyweights for quite sometime.

Also, Fedor defeated Mirko at his own style-kickboxing. That coudl be another reason why it was his toughest battle.

So, you might want to backpeddle of our Mirko talk.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 6:35 pm ET
"He can't go on 'cause he got a widdle headbutt? "
he could go on but the rules stopped the fight as a cut over the eye has also stopped fights in the ufc.

"Ask Carwin or Gonzaga how it feels to fight with a shattered nose." better yet ask fedor who had his nose broken
by CC and it didn't slow him down a bit. or better yet ask carwin or gonzaga if they could have survived let alone
recovered from a shot like fedor took from fujita

"Fedor said CC was his toughest opponent ever, enough said"
yes back when CC was killing everyone. and fedor stood with him through out most of the match allowing
CC to strike at him. unlike Gonzaga who only won because he used gnp to loosen CC up.

thank you for your UFC we'll pile it in the corner with the rest. 

JAVY76 on May 21, 2009 at 2:26 pm ET

Rydog255 on May 21, 2009 at 2:29 pm ET
Im just happy to see Fedor fight again, but until he fights in the UFC he will always have some doubters. Me not being one of them. He is the best pfp in the world. Barnett is no joke, but he will either get knocked out or tapout to an armbar in the first.

Clangclanggang on May 21, 2009 at 2:48 pm ET
I agree for the most part.  I am not that impressed with Barnett, and unfortunately, I think his style is ideal to get KTFO by Fedor.  I am not questioning how good Fedor is, his record speaks for itself, but to according to some of the bloggers, he might as well retire because there is no one worthy of fighting him anywhere in the world.  I mainly want him in the UFC because at least they can put relavant fighters against him for the next few years.  I mean, even if he blows through the HW division as a lot of people think he would, he could easily fight at LHW for a couple of other decent matchups.  There is even the possibility of an A. Silva match down the road.  The way it stands, who's next?  Overreem? recycle AA, Sylvia and Barnett?  Of course there is always the possibility that with a couple of more Affliction checks, he could retire like a king to Russia and we will never see how he would do against Lesner, Mir, Carwin or A. Silva.  I think that would be a shame, but it is possible.

oi_rogue on May 21, 2009 at 2:36 pm ET
 (Emelianenko defeated Andrei Arlovski with a first-round TKO? clearly AA is dreaming on that mat, he got KTFO!!! not  TKO'd....

HugeMMAFan on May 21, 2009 at 2:57 pm ET
I just watched that right now and wow talk about lights out. The power wasnt just switched off but disconnected. In all fairness he had Silvia turn his lights out too.

Adlerschwinge on May 21, 2009 at 3:12 pm ET
right but arlovski looks good the hole time just a mistake and boom  but if they fight again thats the match i wanna watch ^^

Mr20569 on May 21, 2009 at 2:58 pm ET
I hate watching the Sylvia fight because of how Sylvia looks. He looks like a crippled, goofy ogre. It looks like he drags his right foot out to the middle of the ring. Then he looks like a fifth grader lying there doing those arm movements like a spoiled kid. 

CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 3:09 pm ET
yeah Fedor has a habit of making people look like they dont know what their doing..

JustMe on May 21, 2009 at 3:13 pm ET
But won't show DANA what he is doing wrong.

HugeMMAFan on May 21, 2009 at 3:27 pm ET
I'm at work at laughed pretty loud. I hope Sylvia sticks to his new boxing career. I just saw the Lyotto franklin 2nd rd tko. I think Randy pretty much showed him up to what he is. thanks Randy. Hope we see Fedor fight a reigning defending UFC HW champ while he is still at the top of his game. Fedor is like A silva who uses the smallest error to end the fight

tallsierra on May 21, 2009 at 3:28 pm ET
wouldn't be surprised if this is the last affliction fight card and the last time fedor fights in america

HugeMMAFan on May 21, 2009 at 3:39 pm ET
with pride gone where can he fight


coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 4:16 pm ET
Japan is the obvious..if strikeforce were to build up their heavy division more or do more cross-promotions(which they do) that could always be an option as well.

serbianmma on May 21, 2009 at 3:40 pm ET
People who think the UFC has the best HW are clueless.

Mir is decent, nothing great. Has big wins but big loses too ( cruz, ect).

Lesner beat herring and couture, couture is like a lidell , old. and herring is just garbage.

lesner was exposed when mir taped him out.

Overeeem, Arlovski, would destroy any UFC heavyweight hands down


UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 6:01 pm ET
Herring is crap and went the distance with the future UFC champion lol but back when Fedor put him
away in one round he was a rising star in mma. so there we go a direct comparison using a fighter both Fedor
and the holder of the UFC belt faced and look at the difference in out comes.
oh and btw herring took the Lesner match on short notice but had full time to prep for the match with Fedor.

anarchski on May 21, 2009 at 3:59 pm ET
the article has an error. emelianenko scored a KO victory over arlovski. not TKO. some of you people are by far overlooking barnett. hes the only man to even stand a chance against fedor. i'm a huge fan of both fighters and i think fedor will win but dont be suprised if there is an upset. barnett has only been ko'd once by rizzo and never really been caught in a submission except for that freak accident with cro cop and that other time he tapped from cro cop's strikes. hes the pancrase champion and if he was in ufc he would probably still be their champion. my guess is fedor by decision.

ArtofRuin on May 21, 2009 at 4:09 pm ET
lol  arlovski would  beat any ufc what a claim from a novice, there seems to be a great divide in fans...between different have the ufc haters and the strikeforce/ affliction haters...but the bottom line is like it or not  the ufc is the greatest organization it has more pound for pound best fighters in the world then any other organization, they put on  better shows,  and they go after the best talent...i dont think anyone who is  an amatuer fighter inspires to be a strikeforce fighter or affliction fighter usually they are the organizations a fighter goes to after they either keep losing in the ufc or didnt even make the cut, fedor stays where he is  because of money.he makes ridiculous amounts of money, for fighting has been ufc champs. if alovski was a great champ..if sylvia was a great champ they would still be under contract with the almost seems like fedor likes the easy road to victory..fighting guys that couldnt bang with the ufc HW's anymore, moving to strikeforce...even the  most fans know who nick diaz is they know who  robbie lawler is  they use to fight in the ufc, so the "casual" fan is fed a bunch of marketing crap like these guys are some of the greatest fighters, when they will never fight the pound  for pound best in there divisions...they to like the easy road to wouldnt be hard for robbie to call up dana and be like i wanna fight the best let me in,, dana would love to take him from strikeforce..same with nick diaz, instead diaz is beating on washed up frank "full of excuses" shamrock, then he is marketed  as some great fighter, its amazing  that  all these "hardcore" fans think  guys like brett rogers and nick diaz and lawler are like these super great fighters  that would run through anyone in the ufc...mark my words strikeforce is putting on there best card, after these fights  there will be nothing left..who will robbie fight nick diaz? scott smith vs shields?  then what? i bet shields and smith look to get into the ufc  after a couple more fights in strikeforce, cause the competition is gonna dry up reall quick in that organization, and who does fedor fight after  barnett?...what other former has been ufc  hw's  will affliction grab to sell the card

CantGetEnuff on May 21, 2009 at 4:19 pm ET
Fedor wouldn't make near as much with UFC and Dana doesn't allow his fighters to go fight in other organizations so Fedor takes whatever they can offer him.  Of course, he is going to stay with the organization that gives him the best salary and doesn't force him to fight just for them...If any of the fighters want Fedor so bad why don't they go to him instead, what a novel idea.  Allow their contract to expire and join his organization, Fedor has nothing to prove to anybody so its not really him that has to make the move; everybody knows, and the rankings show, Fedor is #1.  He is the man to beat, so other fighters should be the one's inconvenienced by having to go to his side of town...

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 4:26 pm ET
Besides for the horrible 8 fights in 2 years contract, Dana said he offered Fedor the richest contract in mma. It's not just about money..Respect and allowing him to compete in his countries sport are a huge factor with Fedor. Many people can't understand that in the states though.

I'm interested to see what happens when A. Silva "retires". Silva and his manager have spoken interest in fighting Fedor and RJJ. Fedor basically said "why not" when it comes to fighting Silva once he learned that they are actually very close to walking around weight.

joestevens29 on May 21, 2009 at 4:29 pm ET
What I find a little funny is the UFC is trying to spread across europe. The UFC sems to be using Bisping as a paper boy to get the UK going. Why not have Fedor work on those other countries?

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 4:36 pm ET
What I never understood is if UFC wants to spread accross europe they could use Fedor and his sambo. Sambo is the countries sport not some organization looking to get huge.(almost like the olympics but just with sambo)

UFC could promote the yearly events that Fedor participates in and we could see a ton of big time sambo practioners/wrestlers(olympic or not) possibly crossover into the UFC.

Maybe I'm dreaming a bit but It sounds like a good idea. We all know that a strong wrestling base is important in mma and sambo practioners have solid but unorthadox wrestling skills.

Sniper71 on May 21, 2009 at 6:16 pm ET
It would be interesting if Fedor were to enter the UFC grappling tournament they are holding in conjunction with UFC 100.  It won't happen due to the publicity benefits for UFC but could also generate huge Publicity for affliction if he were to win.

bigdmmafan on May 21, 2009 at 4:41 pm ET
And Ill be interested to see if that happens based soley on the champions clause in UFC contracts. My understanding is if Silva is still mw champ his contract is extedend unless he retires and if he retires and then wants to fight Fedor or RJJ I doubt Dana will just let that happen, look at the situation with Randy. As for Fedor, where I agre he has nothing to prove to Dana or anyone else I would like to see him in the UFC to not only strengthen the divsion but put a stop to the haters. Then again there are a lot of people I would like to see in the UFC HW divsison just to shore it up. Overeem, Werdum, Fedor, Barnett, Arlovski back, Sylvia back, Nelson, Monsoon back.

joestevens29 on May 21, 2009 at 4:44 pm ET
Silva could just pull a WWF and lay down in the middle of the cage or get hit and just pretend to be knocked out.


Slade24 on May 21, 2009 at 8:52 pm ET
Please tell me you guys really don't buy the whole Sambo excuse do you? This is way more about business than anything else. It amazes me how much people refuse to believe Dana White, but, buy anything that comes out of Fedor's camp. Really amazing.

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 9:07 pm ET
It's not just sambo..However, sambo is a big part of the problem.

Of course there is much more to this and much of it is business. On both sides..both sides are asking for too much and not giving in.

It still comes down to Fedor never fighting for a promotion that will not allow Fedor to compete as the ambassador to his countries sport.

UninformedFanCrap on May 22, 2009 at 5:48 pm ET
that because all the things Fedor's camp said about the contract stipulations were never countered by Dana.
 If someone was lying about dealings you had with them to the public would you not come forward and say
"wait I never said that" especially someone like Dana who is not know for holding back what he has to say.
well here are a couple more of those stipulations that Fedor's camp made public.
 1. Fedor could not leave the UFC undefeated.
2. If fedor does lose a match and decides to stay in the UFC the UFC reserves the right to end his contract anyway
3 Any and all advertising by fedor (even with out the use of the UFC name ) must be approved by the UFC.
wow what a great deal.
4.and yes the sambo "excuse"  that is fedors first and foremost love of sports and his national sport.

raysup on May 22, 2009 at 12:14 am ET
Arlovski was on a three fight win streak and finished his UFC contract before he decided to leave the organization on his own free will.  So your point about "not being able to bang with the UFC HW's anymore" is moot and invalid.

ArtofRuin on May 21, 2009 at 4:35 pm ET
A.silva would start off his post retirement career 0-2..after he gets beat by forrest, fedor may  not want to fight silva, if he cant beat a LHW in forrest

Bestovian on May 21, 2009 at 5:03 pm ET
Seriously though who if any current HW in the UFC would you give a good chance of beating Fedor? I don't think any of the top 5 HW in the UFC would have even a decent chance of beating Fedor but as is the case we will probably never know. So with that said you have people that argue Fedor hasn't found the top fighters in the world simply because he isn't in the UFC but now that he has over the last year or so its something different now to complain about lol.

Will we ever know how he would do in the UFC? Its unlikely because I don't think Dana or Fedor's group will give in simply because he is widely considered the best PFP fighter in the world thats not hurting by no means with finding very large paydays against a huge personality like Dana White who has did his fair share of Fedor bashing and would have to eat some of his own words if he ever did sign him which again will probably never happen.


Clangclanggang on May 21, 2009 at 5:21 pm ET
I agree Fedor is the best P4P, and there is no arguing that he is making a ton of cash.  On the flip side, why would the UFC really worry about meeting Fedor's conditions?  They already put on more PPV's than any other company and have the most marketable fighters in MMA.  They can sell out with a main event title fight in any weight class and 2 of the best 3 fighters in the world on their roster.  They have built a young marketable HW division and have a natural seller in Lesnar as the HW champ. As it stands Penn, St. Pierre, Silva and Lesnar can sell PPV's on their own, and the LHW division is loaded with talent.  If Fedor signs, great, another big PPV draw, if not OH WELL.  The impact on the UFC as a company will be a BIG FAT 0.

coreymb on May 21, 2009 at 5:29 pm ET
Agreed. It goes both ways.

matthew5608 on May 21, 2009 at 5:34 pm ET
How bad of an organization do you have to be if your only three events have headlined the same, over rated (ya i said it) fighter?
Really??? are there not any other good fights they can come up with?

And now we get to hear more and more about how Fedor could beat up any three people in the world at the same time, while saving the world from alien attack.

Go ahead, chew me up and spit me out!

daho80 on May 21, 2009 at 11:26 pm ET
remind me again UFC 1,2 and 3 who fought?

BrassJunkie on May 21, 2009 at 5:51 pm ET
I can't believe I'm just now seeing this. I've missed most of Junkie_OST Radio this week and being a net troll due to apartment shopping, being out in the nice spring weather while driving around jammin' to Eminem's new CD. This is the fight I've been wanting to see more than any other for years. I still won't believe it until I'm sitting in front of a TV and the bell rings. Besides Tito Ortiz and Frank Trigg, it seems like Josh Barnett is one of the most hated on fighters out there but he's been my favorite since I watched him hand Randy Couture his a** when Couture was in his prime. I hope they both have a good camp and come in healthy. I don't want to hear any excuses when Josh brings down the Last Emperor, and if he loses, I won't give any excuses.


gmd on May 21, 2009 at 6:53 pm ET
Yeah he handed couture his own ass then got busted for roids.

BrassJunkie on May 21, 2009 at 9:57 pm ET
lol @ "Yeah he handed couture his own ass then got busted for roids."  You sound like someone took your toy and your telling on them... lmao

ArtofRuin on May 21, 2009 at 6:13 pm ET
this fight is just about the beginning of the end  for affliction..who does fedor fight if he beats barnett?  if fedor say gets caught...then what? who fights fedor  for a non title? who fights barnett for the title someone fedor has already beat?affliction using fedor as there selling point  is gonna end by the end of this year...between strikeforce and the ufc, there is noone else to market and sell PPV's  for affliction besides fedor...

overhandright on May 21, 2009 at 6:32 pm ET
I want to see Barnett in the UFC more than i want to see Fedor there.

HARDAss on May 21, 2009 at 6:36 pm ET
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goodewend on May 21, 2009 at 9:19 pm ET
And your reason for that is????

goodewend on May 21, 2009 at 9:18 pm ET
2 much Fedor hate going around.... what in the hell? He is the best, and will remain this way for a few more years until his age catches him. Right now, no one can beat him (even if he dropped to the LHW division) the only person who poses a threat to fedor right now is Mir... and brock maybe in a few years. But even then (Brock), and even now (Mir) Fedor will beat them both. These Ideas you guys have about Shane Carwin and other UFC up and comers beating Fedor is just a damn joke. Hate him all you want, say anything but never tell me he is overrated? Are you Kidding, Overrated?

Bogeymonster on May 21, 2009 at 9:42 pm ET
i don't see any good feedback posted about wamma i think its a great thing because than you will have the 1 true crowned p4p fighter and what i see the belt as is like a trophy in the playoffs only you continue to defend the belt against other orgs possibly than you can say your company has the best p4p fighter i beleive people just bash wamma because dana bashes wamma i beleive dana fears wamma and what it could do i don't see anything bad comming from wammaread a great articel about wamma in ultimate grappling mag october 2008 was actually a 2 page article but i like the one part of itby Matt buroshUnecessarily threatenedSzady, who served more than 3 decades in the FBI prior to taking the wamma reigns says some promoters and fans unnecessarily feel threatened by wamma."we are not promoters, and we don't want to be promoters." he says "we don't ask anything really of the promoters, financially or of the fighters from their purses. all of our income comes from our own sponsers or our own belt sponsers and that sort of thing. We don't take their fighters because we arn't promoters. We are never going to sign fighters - thats not our concept."Szady says they have spoken to nearly all of the mma promoters and they are making headway" all of them to one degree or another, have voiced their favor toward a concept such as wamma." says Szady " They understand it, grasp it and think that it is something that should and will come about."Once they explain their intentions, everyone has a better understanding of their goals."Once people sit down and talk to us, they go, "wow" says Szady. "in fact we've been told by some of the athletic commisions that we're like aliens - we're asking for nothing and adding alot to it. In the worls of the sports, that is kind of alien"some people just have to open their eyes more instead of dana white coulding everyhting thats not ufc don't get me wrong i am a huge ufc fan and looking forward to saturday but there is alot fo things dana does that is just complete bs i liked him more whwen he wasn't consistantly on the camera its like he sees the camera and is drawn to it like a bug zapper only once he gest zapped the F bombs start flying

lamar214 on May 22, 2009 at 12:23 am ET
come on WAMMA is a JOKE.  Lets rank football as well.  Who is better the Steelers or whoever won Arena or canadian football league.  Every different org needs their own champ and leave it at that.  U can not compare fighters who do not fight under the same rules and that fight totally different competition.  Wamma will be going a way very soon just like the rest of the JOKE fight leagues. 

ezx248 on May 22, 2009 at 1:49 am ET
you make no sense at all. Football consists of how many players as opposed to MMA which consists of ONE. You cant compare the TWO apples and oranges.

Bogeymonster on May 21, 2009 at 10:42 pm ET
if fedor ever leaves he won't goto the ufc and thats where i laugh because he will come to the us to fight and also be allowed to do sambo so if dana doesn't swallow his ego and pride strikeforce will be signing the last emperor and its funny how many people believe the 1 article that was posted by junkie danas april fools joke was lame fedor doesn't have crazy demands that was bs seriously who says i will let you sign me only if you build an arena for soccer and mma in my homeland come on seriously whoever still buys that thats real is an idiot

joenun on May 21, 2009 at 11:30 pm ET

Frank on May 21, 2009 at 11:54 pm ET
Good, finally a worthy opponent for Fedor. Josh has all kinds of trouble to bring to this bout, namely heart and desire. Most of Fedor's erstwhile challengers, thus far, have been intimidated by the guy. War Josh!

ddawsonRI on May 22, 2009 at 1:10 am ET
420 comments?! damn fedor is the most debated entity in the mma world no doubt

damerz0405 on May 22, 2009 at 1:44 am ET
Wow, looking at his record.......if he stays undefeated for another year that will be a DECADE going undefeated. (If you don't count the TK fight of course) Pretty impressive.

ezx248 on May 22, 2009 at 4:16 am ET
Fedor is the biggest Draw on this site. Only thing that passes him are events. Odd aint it lol people love to hate him and love to love him

Morpheus on May 22, 2009 at 5:12 am ET
absolutely great news - i dont know if affliction as a promotion will survive after their 3rd event, but any promotion that can allow fedor to fight in the usa - something that dana white couldnt do - is welcome in my book!:)

Josh Barnett is a very tough challenger and would give Mir, Brock and the other hws in the ufc a run for their money! Barnett-Fedor is the matchup everyone wants to see and all mma fans will be watching - love or hate Fedor!:)

And i have to say Fedor defends his title more often than a lot of ufc champions - like bj penn!

Go Fedor!:)

Jykferth on May 22, 2009 at 7:06 am ET
I do not think Fedor will ever go to UFC now...unless dana caves and he can fight at least sambo...

the strikeforce...
say what you want but i believe they will soon (in relative terms) be right there even with UFC...
they already put on great fights that the fans want to see just be scraping through new talent, ufc castoffs, and more and more the people like AA that are still very relevent yet want to be treated good...

I would say within two years we will see strikeforce with about half of the good talent in MMA in some if not all of the weight classes....coker just treats fighters better, he doesnt claim to have the best of any class, he lets the fighters fight and prove themselves best he can... shields really wanted to go to the ufc but its funny that a lot of that talk has died down now that he is fighting strikforce... i just think more and more fighters will go where they have more options.
I also believe that UFC could be in for some hard times when that happens due to litigation over some of the restricting clauses in contracts that have them signing away rights.

When you look at the two orgs and see you can have the sponsers you want...fight in OTHER sdports occasionally... musch less restricting contracts for the same money ... why bother with UFC especially when you can have major television promotion which will make your name household to peopel that are not hardcore fans and reap you more sponsership etc....

I think fedor moves to strikeforce after this next affliction fight... i also see more and more ufc fighters defecting to strikeforce and new talent signign and staying in strikeforce...

NickHavok on May 22, 2009 at 10:44 am ET
Long live Strikeforce!

jadrig on May 23, 2009 at 8:35 pm ET
He treats fighters better because they dont come to him asking for $hit loads of money!!!!

When you were 12 and asked your dad for $2 for ICe cream he was like OK...

When you are 25 and ask your dad for 10 grand he will treat you a little different...

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