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Historic resort to be shuttered in wake of Lake Luciana vote
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
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The historic Aetna Springs Resort in Pope Valley will close its doors Saturday, just days after county officials rejected plans for a nearby golf course owned by the same developers.

Robert Radovan — developer for both projects, as well as the Calistoga Ranch resort in Napa Valley — said the decision to close Aetna Springs stems directly from the Napa County Board of Supervisors’ decision last week to reject the proposed Lake Luciana golf course.
Supervisors voted 3-2 against Lake Luciana, which would have featured an 18-hole championship golf course, restaurant, swimming pools and 17 luxury home sites in Pope Valley. The majority of supervisors said that recreational use on agricultural land is inconsistent with the county’s General Plan and zoning ordinances.

“We have largely the same group of investors in Calistoga Ranch, Lake Luciana and Aetna Springs, and after the outcome of the (Lake Luciana) process, they were unbelievably disappointed,” Radovan said.
Developers have always insisted that Aetna Springs and Lake Luciana are separate projects, but Radovan said supervisors’ decision to reject Lake Luciana scared off investors for Aetna Springs, where only one phase of renovation was completed out of several that were in the works. Developers for Aetna Springs, which features a nine-hole golf course, had also hoped to restore the resort’s historic buildings.

“The current board doesn’t seem to want to comply with the General Plan and their own zoning ordinances,” Radovan said. “(Investors) simply don’t have the stomach to go through that again.”
Supervisor Diane Dillon, who lamented the news that Aetna Springs will close, stood behind her decision to vote against Lake Luciana.

“In my opinion, I voted the way I had to,” she said.

Radovan said Aetna Springs will lay off its operational staff, though he declined to state how many people will lose their jobs. He acknowledged that Aetna Springs has not been financially solvent, but did not offer specifics.

Radovan said he is unsure what will happen to the property, saying there is “potential” the current owners might seek to sell the site.

If Radovan and his partners fight the supervisors’ decision to reject Lake Luciana, as they have said they might, Radovan said there could still be hope for Aetna Springs.

“It will certainly bring the confidence back to everybody,” he said, adding that he and his business partner William Criswell “still really want to go forward with both projects, and are just evaluating all of our options at this point.”

Long history

Aetna Springs is on the National Register of Historic Places and first welcomed visitors to its mineral springs in the late 1800s. Several historic structures near the springs are in the Arts and Crafts style, and noted architect Bernard Maybeck is believed to have designed at least one of the buildings. The nine-hole golf course was built in 1890.

For decades, the resort attracted visitors from around the region, as well as Hollywood celebrities and other notables. In 1966, Ronald Reagan chose Aetna Springs as the site where he announced his candidacy for governor.

In 1973, a firm called the ESI group bought the site and hoped to build 900 condominiums, but the county rejected that plan. Three years later, a business with ties to Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church acquired the resort and used it for religious retreats. It was rarely visited by the public thereafter, and in 1999 Pope Valley resident Bryant Morris leased the property. He sought to renovate Aetna Springs, but his plans ran afoul of county regulations. Morris placed a measure before county voters seeking the right to redevelop the resort, but lost handily at the polls.

Morris subsequently bought the property anyway, but was never able to get the business going. Current owners William Criswell and Radovan bought the property in 2006, preparing sites for homes, renovating the golf course and building a new clubhouse overlooking the course and mineral springs.

Register Editor Bill Kisliuk contributed to this story.
47 comment(s)

napasfinest wrote on Jun 9, 2009 2:48 PM:

" I am so angry that they rejected Lake Luciana. Why wouldn't we want another golf course? We really need that empty land. It's crucial to our survival. What a joke. "

manxkat wrote on Jun 9, 2009 3:16 PM:

" The Sierra Club and the liberals have succeeded in destroying another business and displacing more jobs. They only want the wealthy people to be able to live here! "

boise1 wrote on Jun 9, 2009 3:59 PM:

" Here's the proof that the Supervisors were correct in rejecting lake Luciana.

If the Aetna Springs golf course could not make it why would a new one be any different?

Supervisors, you made an excellent decision!! "

napablogger wrote on Jun 9, 2009 4:47 PM:

" boise, maybe they needed the business that Luciana would have generated to keep Aetna Springs open. Or maybe they have just given up on Napa and are not interested in throwing any more good money after bad.

Developers depend on us sticking to our own rules, and when we don't do that word gets around. We could end up in a position where no one wants to develop here.

I know that will please some people but I really feel it is bad news in truth. We don't want Napa to return to 1976, and indeed that is where we could be heading. Shutting down all development is not progress, that is clinging to the past. "

nightwatchman wrote on Jun 9, 2009 4:59 PM:

" Aetna Springs and Lake Luciana are/were both exclusive, members only places. Maybe if they wanted to build a golf course that some people other than the super-rich could enjoy, things would have been different. The lower and middle classes like golf, too. There was no community benefit to Lake Luciana or Aetna Springs.

Kat-- "They only want the wealthy people to be able to live here!"

Was there a lot of "affordable housing" coming with Lake Luciana? Last I checked, 17 gated McMansions isn't exactly populism. "

Only human wrote on Jun 9, 2009 5:56 PM:

" What's sad here is that they would not let locals play at Aetna Springs, and with it being a members only privite course, well it means now no one will be playing!?????? Good idea? "

locoallomi wrote on Jun 9, 2009 5:57 PM:

" They never DID have a real business because they failed to get their entitlements. They struck out fair and square. The only jobs destroyed were those of the developers themselves. Nobody in Pope would have gotten anything but crumbs from the dining table. (But the developers would have been happy to sell you and Napasfinest one of their overpriced memberships.) Furthermore they DID want wealthy people: to buy their waterless parcels, for millions, plus $200K golf memberships. Aetna Golf Club was, on its own, a poor business decision, paid for by credulous out-of-state investors, which is proved by the fact that it hasn't had enough business on its own to even stay open more than a day or two a week. Some thriving business. The project was a perfect piece of wretched excess from 2008, which would have made a great big "never mind" of Measures J and O and the County Plan. Pope Valley is not for sale. "

lostinpv wrote on Jun 9, 2009 8:02 PM:

" Hey Locoallomi and Nightwatch. You have your facts all wrong (like so many making comments about Lake Luciano). FACT: Aetna Springs was open to Pope Valley residents at a bargain price: $300 per year and $25 for a round of golf on a beautiful course! FACT: As for Lake Luciana, the developers offered a similar locals only rate, with an affordable annual fee that was less expensive than many semi-public courses (we even signed a contract for such a membership). So get your facts straight before you make comments that effect jobs and livelihood please. Also, closing Aetna cost several good hardworking Napa residents, with Children, their jobs (the cook, the golf pro, a waitress, a golf attendant, and an event coordinator to name a few!). SO to say the only persons that lost their jobs are the developers is ignorant. By the way, Robert Radoan and Bill Criswell demonstrated over and over again their genuine commitment to our community. These are not out of town faceless developers. Robert Radovan lives in St. Helena and has children that attend our schools. And there are hundreds of us out here who live in Pope Valley that are thankful to them for the countless hours of community fun and recreation they gave us--until a handful of five or six land barons here in PV with special access to a certain Board member took it all away. Those are the facts! "

jmo wrote on Jun 9, 2009 8:26 PM:

" Well, well, well...now maybe our congress man (you know old what's his name Thompson) can get us some stimulus money so the county can buy the course for us and create some recreational golf and jobs for us locals. "

4466 wrote on Jun 9, 2009 8:46 PM:

" I am happy the the golf course was voted down...just another golf course. Napablogger violates my freedom of speech by removing SRA sticker. "

Mr. Feasor wrote on Jun 9, 2009 8:58 PM:

" While this was a controversial issue, it was probably necessary under the circumstances. Aetna Springs just happened to be the collateral damage here.

Also, I am really shocked that adolph oliver busch is allowed to post using this moniker (and this is despite the fact that we both seem to agree on the County's decision)...I mean...say that name out loud and connect the dots here... "

bhenery wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:03 PM:

" I'll crack a Coors to celebrate this sound decision on the part of the Supervisors!

Pope Valley is COUNTRY! We have plenty of upscale play grounds for the ultra wealthy!

Let the 4-H club and the gymkahna, the bar-b-que and Turkey Shoot continue for another generation of country kids!

Thank you Supervisors for taking back Pope Valley for the people! "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:05 PM:

" Another Pope Valley Boy here-This news is a closing chapter to the demise of Pope Valley. If your a hermit then Pope Valley is for you.
Maybe that should be the slogan.
"Uni-bomber haven" Come build your cabin in Pope Valley.
Families, gone. Community, gone. Maybe the school will close without the taxes as reported.

Why does anyone want to be so concerned about what other people do with their money or business ventures. This socialist mentallity is disgusting.
Were you people invited to the Wine Auction? Were you invited to private reception for Oprah? How dare someone not invite you.
Apparently some of the post-ers are very successful golf course developers as their comments indicate they understand the golf business better than anyone else.
This was a TOP Notch Team and they truly cared for Pope Valley. Anyone who had ponied up the membership fee knows that. Anyone who visited knows that.
The misers, hermits, and land-barons control PV, the rest of us be damned. "

bhenery wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:07 PM:

" 4466....Do tell! Blogger spotter removing SRA sticker??? We have more! And many more supporters!

This is interesting news! What do you know? "

pvrider wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:21 PM:

" The developers were told 2 years ago that they could not meet the requirements for the zoning ordinances but they decided not to listen. I'm not sure whose general plan Robert Radovan is reading but it sure isn't Napa Valley's. This closure is just more proof that the developers were trying to pull the wool over the county's eyes by saying these were separate projects! "

mypopevalley wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:23 PM:

" nightwatch-
Luciana would have helped to save Berryessa Estates and the Highlands and PV.
Local memberships-were ridiculously priced.
Employment was a chance at survival.
The water help...thanks Supervisors for handing us over to the firing line, because you are killing Pope Valley along with the Sierra Club.
Thanks- "

napablogger wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:43 PM:

" 4466, I don't even know what an SRA sticker is. What do you mean? "

pvboy wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:50 PM:

" lostinpv is clueless about the facts. The locals were still responsible for paying 12-15 thousand a year for a Luciana membership after a "generous" 20 percent (was it?) discount on the initiation fee. And as to the "land barons" who took it all away, a whole bunch of us are just ordinary folks, retired people on fixed incomes who didn't want our valley invaded by a bunch of super rich people in complete violation of the general plan. Remember, of the supes who voted for it, one of them would vote yes on a golf course in the middle of Yellowstone National Park if he thought it would generate a few bucks! He's just an all growth, all the time kind of guy.

Read the letter written by the Sierra Club person. There really were critical legal precedents to be set by approval of this project. And keep this in mind with respect to government regulation and land use policy: EVERYTHING WHICH IS NOT PROHIBITED IS COMPULSORY. This has been proven to be true again and again.

The Luciana project was a bad idea from the start. The developers were not honest about the unity of the two projects. Aetna Springs won't fly without Luciana. The county planning commission and the supes both must have resented the "piecemeal" approach of the developers.

Now Aetna Springs will take its place among other "ghostly" faded luxury resorts of the past, just like the Coconut Palms on Kauai, and Vichy Hot Springs Resort (Jack London's favorite spal) in No. Calif. During the summer Pope Valley is way too hot for golf after 10 in the morning from about July to September, 100+ degrees every day. "

pvboy wrote on Jun 9, 2009 10:11 PM:

" Anyway, this "Aetna Springs Is Closed" thing is just a ploy. Like "I'm going to take my marbles and go home." They're threatening the supes. C and R probably aren't finished. Measure J fight anyone? "

interested wrote on Jun 9, 2009 10:25 PM:

" This has nothing to do with the vote on Lake Luciana. Viable businesses usually do not close because a neighboring development can’t get permits. They close because their income does not exceed their outgo or match expectations. Investors are not depressed when they roll the dice on a project and come up snake eyes. They are depressed when a project does not meet profitability projections or when they catch on that the pie in their sky is not all that sweet.

This has all the earmarks of a number of enterprises which were built on projections made 3 years ago but have encountered the grim reality of the recession. The wine auction went down by 50% and a lot of other luxury items are in a very leaky boat. Golf developments cannot help but be in the same predicament or moreso (not only is golf expensive, it is boring). The economy seems to have bit this project. It is too bad that the developers could not face up to that, like thousands of us have had to, but rather used the occasion to take unwarranted cheap shots at our Supervisors. "

Paddy wrote on Jun 9, 2009 10:29 PM:

" Thank goodness. Maybe someone will plant trees there. If you can't hunt there, it doesn't belong here. Bring back our hunting grounds. "

moegunst wrote on Jun 9, 2009 10:32 PM:

" Bill Criswell told us over and over and over again there was abolutely no connection what so ever between Luciana and Aetna. His brillant lawyer Kevin Teague told us over and over and over again there was no connection. I believed them and I can't stop believing now.

Besides they said Tom Doak was the best golf course designer in the hole (get it, a pun?) world. I know Aetna only had nine holes, but any Tom Doak designed hole is worth two any other designer hole in the hole (get it again?) world.
I know Aetna has been failing ever since they built the new Tom Doak golf coiurse and club house. They had to shut it down on the week days, and hardly anyone was there on Sat and Sun. But it is not their fault. People were afraid to go because of all the tree huggers and micobiologists. "

pvboy wrote on Jun 9, 2009 10:40 PM:

" Anyway, this "Aetna Springs Is Closed" thing is just a ploy. Like "I'm going to take my marbles and go home." They're threatening the supes. C and R probably aren't finished. Measure J fight anyone? "

GotDOCG wrote on Jun 10, 2009 12:57 AM:

" Interesting logic (oxymoron) here??!! EVEN when ag or open space land has been placed in the Williamson Act, recreational use... including golf courses is permitted...

One of the primary responsibilities of government is economic oversight... that includes the creation of jobs, and seeing to commerce... at a time when the county is bleeding money... the board of supervisors does its usual holier than thou...the average lost real estate tax revenue for each foreclosure and short sales is approximately $2,700 per year PERMANENTLY... those for sale signs out there... just how many do you think are not in the category of a distressed sale???

The failure of congress to understand that without a real, true and effective loan modification program (none exists today) the real estate crisis will last another 2 years minimum... and our county turns away the income that this excellent project would have generated... "

pv farmer wrote on Jun 10, 2009 6:29 AM:

" Thats funny that we were told over and over again lake luciana had nothing to do with Aetna, yet we all knew so we fought and won. When we were wined and dined before the Aetna springs rennovation there was never any talk about Artna springs needing another golf course to survive.
The reason they didn't disclose how many people were laid off is because for the past 6 months they have been laying off and cutting employee hours.
The closure of Aetna springs is no surprise, why dont the developers focus all of there attention on Aetna and forget about Luciana like the people of Pope Valley want. "

napablogger wrote on Jun 10, 2009 8:11 AM:

" I see 4466 or whatever the number has not come back. In the meantime I figured out that the SRA sticker means a bumper sticker.

For the record, I did not rip off anyone's bumper sticker, if that is what it meant. "

firststreetmayor wrote on Jun 10, 2009 8:14 AM:

" Mark my word...
When we vote this will be remembered by Napa voters "

BilLy wrote on Jun 10, 2009 9:12 AM:

" IF YOU CAN'T MAKE A 9 HOLE GOLF COURSE WORK WHAT THE HECK MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN DO AN 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE RIGHT UP THE ROAD???????????????? GOOD FOR POP VALLEY ..THE WRITING IS AND WAS ON THE WALL FOR THESE GUYS....ADIOS ! "

emu wrote on Jun 10, 2009 9:16 AM:

" It seems obvious that not only were Aetna Springs and Luciana connected, but also Calistoga Ranch, since they involved the same investors. All three projects serve the ultra-rich, and even THEY seem to be feeling the pinch these days. The supervisors did the investors a favor by keeping them from throwing good money after bad. Don't know about Calistoga Ranch, which has been operating for some time now, but Aetna Springs has been failing for some time. Neither the Robber barons nor the locals can afford this excess. "

gaslight wrote on Jun 10, 2009 9:46 AM:

" What whining we'll hear from these same opponents when the historic Aetna Springs Resort crumbles to dust. What a needless, terrible loss. "

BilLy wrote on Jun 10, 2009 10:19 AM:

" Boo Hoo....do you think the course was a NECESSITY ???? They can move on to other projects and stop your whining...they lost so now move on "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 10:20 AM:

" Land Barons should not represent Pope Valley.
This small group of landowners whose families have either have been in PV since the first westerners or those who have come in buying big lots of land to squat on, when not in Tahoe or Texas or something.
When you sell the property, it's no longer yours to control.
The "exclusive" elitism is not from the golfers it's from this small portion of the Barons and is apparent in some of the comments---
"Stay out of Pope Valley"
"Leave Pope Valley Alone"
"Pope Valley is ours"
These really sound like The N.I.M.B.Y. crowd.

What's most amazing is that this place would be used and praised by locals for the positive contributions to Pope Valley and Napa County when completed, as it has been already by soo many locals. If people do not care to golf...don't go.
Note to PV Boy-Baron: There are other people on this Earth.
Your assumption of what people can and cannot do in the heat of day...ridiculous. I'm certain the golfers could handle the heat.
You should really think outside of your little 8,000 Acre plot.
Remember PV-You just caused your place to grab a burger to shut down. Too bad they had no French Fries for you. "

mypopevalley wrote on Jun 10, 2009 10:39 AM:

" Emu-
Who else is feeling the "pinch?"
Wine folk.
Speaking of the Barons-how far down will the profits be this year? Profits as far down as the auction? 50%?
This whole county is built on an excess platform. Wine! Wine for the Premium Level.
You must be right, the locals must only do what they can for those that, you claim cannot afford it.
Why aren't the wineries giving wine to the locals for living here? With your train of thinking they should be.
emu- sell your wine collection and maybe you -Could- afford to play a game of golf.
4 hours of golf -vs- 4 glasses of wine it's your choice.
-or maybe it's the fascist sierra club’s choice. "

mypopevalley wrote on Jun 10, 2009 10:41 AM:

" Country Kids?
What Country kids? all 8 of them?

How eliteist is that?????
Kids toting $1000 guns?
Kids riding $30K, $40K, $60K or More horsees?

Get off your high...uh, well you know.

Heck, might as well throw some golf clubs their way, it fits into everything else they are doing.

Really- give me a number on what it costs to own, board, travel trailer, and compete with a horse?

What a shame and sham.

You are the wealthy.
What not ultra-wealthy? So sorry.

Pope Valley wants this. "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 10:47 AM:

" Local People Are Not Considered-

People locally are not the concern-it's only the people outside Napa County who buy the Premium Napa Valley wine that the County cares about.

local-mi
YES Pope Valley is "For Sale!" Just as Napa County is for sale.

grapes yes and really only the fermented juice for sale is the only consideration in Napa County.

There is a stronger campaign to "watch out for" the insects that could harm the vines Rather than "watching out for" the people of the County.

People are our greatest resource!
People are our greatest resource!
Who doesn’t know that?

Wake up Napa County, you are in a Wine induced COMA! "

glenroy wrote on Jun 10, 2009 11:45 AM:

" wb5218......AMEN...

Our economic well being is being left to those who are clueless….as long they can continue to life off the public dole they’ll continue to bend over for the special, ultra liberal, interest groups that put them in office…. "

angwindeac wrote on Jun 10, 2009 1:18 PM:

" Regardless of which side of the line anyone falls on development, golf as an industry is not in good shape right now.

See link http://www.forecalifornia.com/cag/index.cfm/news-room/tax-news/golf-industry-feeling-pinch-of-economic-downturn-292009/

Also, where were all of you local supporters of golf when Chimney Rock was closed. There is no way that enough rounds can be played at any Pope Valley course to keep it open. Chardonnay, Eagle Vines, Kennedy, Silverado, Yountville, and Calistoga are all having challenges getting enough rounds to make it how financially. Don't know about CC's but many are dropping fees.

Bottom line is that this plan would have been hard to make work in a good economy with such a poor location but now it would be close to impossible. "

emu wrote on Jun 10, 2009 2:29 PM:

" mypopevalley: Sure - I'll sell my wine collection, and YOU can have the proceeds from the six bottles of Two-Buck Chuck I have in my "cellar" - or perhaps you'd get more from the grapefruit soda I mix it with! Take your pick.( I do tend to agree with you about the wine excess.) "

enapa wrote on Jun 10, 2009 3:15 PM:

" Who needs jobs? Jobs are for suckers...Obama will pay for all our bills you know that. "

Wb5218 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 3:37 PM:

" Angwind-
A good synopsis but you should be reminded that every industry is suffering from the worst economic recession since the big D.
We could put links to every business page in every periodical and see the doom.

The Point is that this IS allowed for in the General Plan.


The county has really messed this one up!

We will have to pay for this with tax dollars we don't have.
Especially in PV where people draw from the county but Refuse to contribute to the county.
And NO a skeet shooting party (turkey shoot) doesn't count as a contribution.

Read the GP.
Also please remember the true platform of anti-people groups who oppose evrything!

Read their visions. Read their missions.
People are left out of them...on purpose. "

Wb5218 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 3:41 PM:

" The folks from ÆTNA SPRINGS need jobs.
Thanks for your representation dillon.
I hope kunze can pay your mortgage. "

reason-ator wrote on Jun 10, 2009 4:17 PM:

" Well, the owners have decided that we will be punished because they didn't get the votes that they wanted.

They are now officially qualified to represent us in the State Legislature.

Alot of the times, when I vote I consider the quality of the people pushing the issue. Now I know how classy the owners of Aetna Springs are. I have no desire to have those kind of people around. "

winelink wrote on Jun 10, 2009 6:05 PM:

" How sad that you all against these great projects can't see beyond your own personal front door-these were good , sound , solid investments paid for by others that would have saved Pope Valley from decay and helped those already there with jobs, and tax dollars to boot! It is clear that you don't understand how communities are dependent on growing concerns that have solid foundations building economic futures for our children.
Shame on Diane Dillon for turning her back on her constituents who she swore to not abandon if she were elected. She does not follow the General Plan nor does she care about the people she has left holding the (empty) bag.
This is a sad time for all of us-lets loose some of the excess baggage of bureacrats "

locoallomi wrote on Jun 10, 2009 6:15 PM:

" Well, it's been quite a day for comments. I know that NIMBY neighbors like myself can sound hysterical a lot of the time.They fear a well-heeled developer will wreck the place they love to make another buck. But I'm really amazed at the "counter-NIMBYs". Some of the writers have emotionally bonded with high-end golf as being the radiant salvation of the land. "Argggh! We lost the golf course we never had! Our lives are no longer worth living. The county's doomed." Others seem to find this failed project a lightning rod for a kind of free-floating anger at a huge range of related and unrelated social resentments. If the project had been approved, much as I deplore it, I probably would have just gotten on with my life. However some of the writers sound as if they'd have trouble doing this. Maybe they feel better after venting, I hope. But "Comments" is, after all, a public place, and I should just get used to some of the stuff that's here, just as I would if I were down in SF standing at the curb at 6th and Market Street. "

angwindeac wrote on Jun 10, 2009 9:09 PM:

" Wb,
You are right about the economic conditions but if we are going to encourage development and really create jobs find a developer to put in a theme park or something creative. Golf course closings nationwide have outpaced openings for years and the location isn't going to bring in golfers no matter who designs the course.

Also, we need multi-age and multi-class draws in Napa with our existing tourism. We already have tourists coming to the valley the key is keeping them coming back and quite frankly there is nothing for kids or non-drinkers to do here that generates big revenues. "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 11:44 PM:

" Angwin--D
Thank you for the respect regarding the economic discussion and yes, you are also correct regarding the need for multi-need activity areas. But creative ideas like a theme park? You must be speaking generally, I hope.
and yes golf course are having it tough(as are most every business or chargeable recreation)
Whether the course closed or flourished is not our or the Supervisors reason to deny..."I don't think people will go, play in the heat, spend, enjoy golf with vineyards working nearby, etc."

All meaningless.
Legal or not! That is what matters.

Our existing tourism?
You want to keep them?
Give them a reason to come back?
I am shocked-I thought everyone locally could care less for the tourists. Excuse me, except for the wineries.

-------Do you realize you make the potential golf course owners case here?--------WoW!

Do the demographics of the local and the tourist in Napa County. Older, moderate to high wealth, already built in tourism(yes the golfers are already here...shhh) Don't tell pv-boy.

wb is Not A Golfer, but they are all around us regardless of what the price is or would be.

You know what would be a great place for kids to learn some life lessons and how to cope with adversity and disappointment? That is being creative.
Creative is, Thinking of doing something other than a wine amusement park, sorry for throwing you under the bus Copia.
A golf course. Not a rollercoaster park nor a skate park.

by the way, you charge for golf, dues or green fees... skaters are usually broke. your tax dollars at work again.

People would rather be at work. "

hope4napa wrote on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 AM:

" locoallomi, "some of the writers may have trouble with getting on with their lives" because they have been personally affected by the denial of this project. Perhaps losing a home, job or future. You point out a great fact. The opposers would have just gotten on with their lives if the golf course was approved, unaffected by a project that could help others thrive and prosper. Thanks for proving that N.I.M.B.Y's are concerned only about themselves. "

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