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DSiWare buys are non-transferrable News

DS News by Robert Purchese

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Nintendo has explained to Eurogamer that DSiWare purchases cannot be transferred to additional DSi machines, meaning any games or applications are locked to whichever system they're bought on.

The explanation comes as Nintendo prepares three new DSi colours for Europe: Metallic Blue, Light Blue and Red. They arrive on 23rd October, pre-installed with Facebook and Flipnote Studio.

Nevertheless, Nintendo is prepare to transfer DSiWare downloads should your DSi break and you send it in for repair or replacement. That is the only way.

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Toothball
30/09/09 @ 15:36
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Not surprising. The don't seem to have a way to transfer Wii content either, which was a pain when my Wii was stolen with a whole bunch of downloads on it. I don't intend to download anything on the service again.
lord
30/09/09 @ 15:38
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weird, 1up posted this story very early this morning.

is this pre-emptive marketing by Nintendo, or did you just crib it off neogaf?
mingster
30/09/09 @ 15:39
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It really is an issue with the whole downloadable content situation for all platforms.

It should always be locked to your Username/Account not tied to the Hardware.

That way you can use it on a new PC/PS3/DS whatever...
giant_frying_pan
30/09/09 @ 15:41
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Pretty poor customer service.

You *can* get your Wii content transferred after a repair or fault, but it's an arduous and manual process I understand.
EverAfter
30/09/09 @ 15:43
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mingster - Nintendo is the only one of the format holders to lock content to one console. Microsoft lock content to Gamertags, Sony locks it to 5 consoles at any one time, with the ability for the account holder to deactivate a console themselves, PC stuff locks to a username. Nintendo are by their lonesome on this draconian policy.
Golgo
30/09/09 @ 15:47
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Nintendo truly are becoming more and more retarded, aren't they? I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii 2 required you to pay again for all your Wii downloads. Someone point them in the direction of Steam, FFS.
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30/09/09 @ 15:48
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EverAfter: Sony also lock it to an e-mail address as well, although you can change it, you might get a problem like me and no longer own one of the two PSN-enabled consoles, then you have a whole bunch of virtual software that you cannot sell on, because you don't want to give up the content that you do.

Although I agree that the Nintendo solution is draconian for someone wanting multiple systems, it does mean you can sell the system on with extra content without losing anything yourself, as the system is the DRM token.
speedjack
30/09/09 @ 15:49
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WTF?!!!

Digital content ownership should be bound to a person - not a device. If you cannot implement that then you should be banned from running a digital content distribution platform. Period.

Even Apple allowed you to transfer your DRM encoded mp3s across a limited number of ipods.

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lord
30/09/09 @ 15:51
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speedjack: if it breaks, send it to Nintendo for the warranty repair, if they replace the unit they will transfer the DRM content.
knobgoblin
30/09/09 @ 15:52
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I doubt people would pay much for your downloaded content.
DiscoStu
30/09/09 @ 15:53
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welcome to the glorious future that is digital distribution. rent everything, own nothing, beholden to content owners and never sure anything you "bought" will be there the next day.
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30/09/09 @ 15:54
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I doubt people would pay much for your downloaded content.

which makes you wonder why you'd pay that much in the first place? Spend your money more wisely?
Shadders
30/09/09 @ 16:03
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My DSi has broken, I take it this means I've lost all my downloads?

RUBBISH!
Eraysor
30/09/09 @ 16:03
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Just another example of Nintendo's uselessness at providing online services.
jonsaan
30/09/09 @ 16:10
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That is really stupid and draconian.

You wouldn't mind so much if the stuff was priced well in the first place.
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Stuz359
30/09/09 @ 16:10
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A draconian measure. I agree with other posters that content should be fixed to a username, gamertag etc, rather than a single device. Another reason I am against Digital Distribution for consoles. If I buy a normal physical copy of a DS game, I can play it on another DS. It is my game, I own it, as long as I don't break the law I should be able to play it when I want and where I want to.
Eoin
30/09/09 @ 16:13
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It really is an issue with the whole downloadable content situation for all platforms.

It should always be locked to your Username/Account not tied to the Hardware.

That way you can use it on a new PC/PS3/DS whatever...


Not really for "all" platforms. On the PS3 you can log into another PS3 and happily re-download all of the things that you've bought. With the 360 it's a tiny bit more complicated, but Microsoft do at the very least offer a license transfer service which accomplishes effective the same thing. It's the same for Steam.

Although transferring purchases between machines isn't exactly perfect on the other consoles, it's possible - the idea of content which is totally non-transferable except in the case of a repair is exclusive to Nintendo.
VicViper
30/09/09 @ 16:16
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@Stuz

You would think that would make sense but there isn't really a single over reaching account when dealing with the nintendo consoles, look at the Wii and the friend code nonsence. Well if nothing else there hasn't been any brillant DSi ware worth buying so far.
JohnnyWashnGo
30/09/09 @ 16:17
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Just another reason why I find DLC such an affront to both my personal liberties and my video game collection.

DLC looks shit on my game shelf. Its just an empty plank of wood which makes me look like a madman when friends visit and I point to the empty space where games should be and say 'Look at my ace collection of video games' :(

The more that manufacturers do this kind of thing, the more clever hackers will find ways around it.
lavalant
30/09/09 @ 16:27
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Well.....you're either being screwed or doing the screwing, I prefer to do the screwing and pirate them games.

I'm just a good capitalist I guess :)
speedjack
30/09/09 @ 16:28
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Hi Lord,

I saw that but my comments still stand. You should be able to own more of one device to play the media you bought.

Anything man-made breaks down at some point... be it DSi's or Nuclear Power Stations.
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30/09/09 @ 16:33
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I don't disagree. No DRM system is perfect, and this one is less so than others under certain circumstances.

but it's Nintendo's loss if people don't buy second consoles, special edition consoles or HD replacement systems because of it, surely?
Royal Fool
30/09/09 @ 16:44
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Oh Nintendo, don't you ever change!
rock27gr
30/09/09 @ 16:45
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@ lord

The unfortunate thing is for people that don't live in any of the supported countries and are not supposed to be able to buy said content; if my Wii goes, then I doupt the Distributor here will have the means or even care about my DLC.
dingo75
30/09/09 @ 16:50
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+ all the DSis that get stolen / are lost will also make you re-buy the game you like!

/pats his M3DS Real card
lord
30/09/09 @ 16:52
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what does an M3 have to do with DSi content?
Toothball
30/09/09 @ 16:55
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@Eoin:

With Xbox downloads you also have the option to play anything you own on any console as long as you're logged into Live, which is an option I would be content to live with if Nintendo had something similar.
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30/09/09 @ 17:50
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Once again the consumer is being shafted by DRM. If someone wants to buy a new DSi in a new colour, why can't they take their purchases with them? Once upon a time I was excited by the prospect of being able to download games directly to my console, but the reality is a greedy system that takes away your right to own the software you've paid for.

Makes me long for the days of cartridges, they'll still all be working in 100 years most likely. Try getting a modern DRM'ed game to work in 100 years when the authentication servers are long gone...
bad09
30/09/09 @ 18:03
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"ownership" the curse of DD and what holds industries back as they wonder "why do people hack their hardware and resort to piracy?". Is is so hard to get into their skulls we want to OWN what we buy, which means doing what we want with it.


Ironically of the three only "consumer unfriendly" Sony have really met us half way. Download on up to five machines is a fair enough alternative to DRM free (something I seriously doubt we will EVER see on games).
Paulie_P
30/09/09 @ 18:26
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@Golgo

No they've always been and will always be retarded. I've bought every Nintendo system from the NES and love their games but I feel like they're constantly shafting me.
monkeylite
30/09/09 @ 18:34
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Wow, and people moaned about Sony (which allows re-downloads on different PSPs). This is really awful. Bad move there Nintendo.
Retroid [mod]
30/09/09 @ 18:55
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This is just bloody poor but, sadly, no surprise.

As has already been mentioned the Wii already does DRM this way and it pisses me off no end that if I flogged my Wii and bought another I couldn't just reload my profile (as on the PS3 & 360, not to mention Steam) and get all my games back.

Nintendo have by far the crappest attitude to DRM and content ownership of any platform holder this generation.

(And that's before we even touch upon Friend Codes and the like)
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30/09/09 @ 19:33
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I don't understand why Nintendo is doing this. I have my Club Nintendo Membership, where i can see a list of all the games i have downloaded on WII, and probably also all the DSIware games to if I had some. So how difficult would it be for Nintendo, if I registered a new system to my account, to allow me to transfer downloadable content from one to another. Of course, a limit up to 5 systems, where I could deregister a system if I am not using it any more, would be fine enough.
I know, Nintendo would lose some customers from household with 2 or more kids, each owning a DSI, but hey.. come on. The way it is now is just silly and make Nintendo look very greedy.
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Cappy
30/09/09 @ 20:46
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What about some point in the future when your Wii or DSi is out of warranty?

Basically they can force you to use their service for a repair because they're holding all your DLC as hostage. At some point a cheap second hand replacement unit will be cheaper than the repair and you'll forced to make a difficult choice, how much is that DLC worth to you? Do you care if you can't use it anymore?
Skurmedel
01/10/09 @ 00:19
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That is pretty shite, wouldn't buy many if I had one if I can loose them that easily...

Although it enrages me greatly when I'm offline and I can't play Geometry Wars 2 for some reason, even though I should be able to, so MS has something to work on as well. And Steam doesn't work too well offline as well sometimes.
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cobaltfram
01/10/09 @ 01:05
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A very Sony move from Nintendo.
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01/10/09 @ 02:01
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Wow. So many people using the word "draconian". Thanks EverAfter.

If it comes to it, I guess your Wii would have to "break" then wouldn't it.
Repair man - "Hey, this looks kinda like a heel mark here, we've been seeing a lot of this lately."
SG
01/10/09 @ 08:09
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Meh, softmods all the way - GBATemp always work around these things.
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01/10/09 @ 09:20
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With an iPod touch you can share your purchases with up to 4 others and all the apps videos music etc that you bought will appear on your familys devices. handy!
Toothball
01/10/09 @ 09:34
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@Skurmedel:

Did you get a new Xbox at all? You can move all your content to another Xbox once a year with this link: http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/support/drm/

If your Xbox breaks and you get them to repair it, they usually transfer it automatically.
Skurmedel
01/10/09 @ 10:11
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Toothball, hehe I think you misunderstood me. What I meant is slightly off topic, I meant that when I'm not logged in to live sometimes for whatever reasons, I can't access my Arcade Games, and it makes me really pissed. I think you should be able to...

Not that it's worse than what this story is about, just pointing out that I think they all could be much better. But hey, +1 for handy link.
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chrisjm
01/10/09 @ 11:09
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and once they stop repairing them?
im sure people here still sometimes dig out their NES, do nintendo repair them now? at least you still have your games if you have to get a replacement on ebay.
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01/10/09 @ 12:10
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Inevitably when they release the DSii you'll have no recourse to the content then.
Toothball
01/10/09 @ 13:08
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@Skurmedel:

You should always be able to play any downloads on the Xbox you download them on originally regardless of whether you're online or not. Also, any other profiles on that Xbox should be able to play as well. As you can't it sounds like you're using more than one Xbox. If you do have more than one Xbox then there's not much you can do. But if you've bought a new one and traded in the old for example, that DRM tool will transfer all your licenses to your new Xbox.

Be aware though, the process essentially involves going through your download history and downloading everything again. It doesn't need to download the actual files so each one is quite quick, but you need to go through all of them which can take a while.
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01/10/09 @ 13:14
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Well I only have one, but one got replaced after an early demise. Maybe I should try that one.. I need to login to XBL everytime as it is now and it's really annoying. Thanks for the help.
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01/10/09 @ 19:06
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Should I use the power of music to summarise this article? Because you know, money, money, money, it's so funny...

Don't think for a second the industry will follow silly ethical rules such as allowing you to use your virtual software multiple times without paying multiple times.
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