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Crickets seem to be a theme of the last few days, but there's been a fairly stunning quiet from (most) Republicans today regarding President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize win.

Check out our site - with the exception of Mike Steele, conservative pundits and media types, most of the Republican responses have come via television interviews. (Sen. John McCain's is here, Sen. Jim Inhofe's is here, CA Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued a laudatory statement.)

Whenever there's news like this, my inbox is usually full of messages from Republican members of Congress, or GOP fundraising lists. Today, very very few.

Former President Bush isn't saying anything, and there so far haven't seemed to be any fundraising emails.

The Republicans I've talked to today acknowledge they are in a tough spot, not wanting to seem anti-American but tempted to point out that it's shocking a president who hasn't been in office for a year and whose campaign promises on the war and Guantanamo Bay remain unfulfilled has received the honor.

(Though Ana Marie Cox will report on her upcoming Air America show "The Inside Story" that Republicans have suggested they weren't so off base with the "biggest celebrity in the world" ad last summer.)

Congressional Republicans are most notably silent, and one source indicated they might be cooking up something for next week given the long holiday weekend.

Mark Salter, a McCain friend and chief campaign aide last year, told TPMDC he blames the Nobel Committee, not Obama. He said the committee "should be ashamed."

"The proper response is not to criticize the president for being the recipient but to note the moral indefensibility of what the Nobel Committee did. There are a great many people in this world who are risking their lives today for the cause of peace and human dignity," Salter said. "Recognizing their moral, political, and physical courage would have aided their cause and them personally."

Salter added that even if he agreed with Obama's foreign policy direction (he doesn't), "I wouldn't expect any of it to produce any tangible result in less than 9 months."

"Nor can I see how giving it to anyone based on their style of diplomacy or what they discern as his potential will advance by a single degree world peace or comfort one oppressed person," he said.

Former Bush spokesman Tony Fratto penned an item for the Washington Post today calling it "overreach," said mocked the committee had made clear "that Obama's hope of achieving peace was all that was required, presumably making countless Miss Universe contestants equally eligible."

"Smart people would have quickly noted that President George W. Bush reduced stockpiles by nearly 4000 weapons from 6000, making new reductions of a few hundred relatively inconsequential," Fratto said. "No, as with all things Obama, it's far better to bet on a hopeful vision than to wait around for what are inevitably becoming disappointing results."

Fratto said the award is an "albatross" for Obama that's opened him up for scrutiny.

"As an American, I'm happy for the president's recognition, but my hope is that over time his record shows him to be deserving -- not for his hopeful quest, but for actual achievement," he said.

Late update: Perhaps I spoke too soon -- Media Matters catches Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) saying "Most people actually tend to think the world is a more dangerous place than, say, it was a year ago."

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October 9, 2009 4:53 PM   

second guessing (let alone criticizing) the nobel committee always seems kinda silly to me. as if the committee has some sort of obligation to share your particular agenda.

the only criticisms that i find interesting or compelling are those that come from past recipients. and anyone who pays attention to the peace prize knows that group to be an extremely opinionated bunch who often disagree with one another.

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October 9, 2009 4:53 PM   

Silence isn't going to work here really. If the Republican leadership doesn't say anything at all, then voices like Steele's or the talk radio crowd will be presumed to speak for the whole party.

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October 9, 2009 5:35 PM    in reply to mcc

They're screwed either way. The crazies always get the most press coverage. A month from now no one will remember McCain's rational, gracious comments. They'll just remember the screeching of the fruitcake wing.

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October 10, 2009 2:37 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

"They're screwed either way."

That's a bumpersticker we can all appreciate.

If they look good to their extreme constituents by trashing Obama, they lose their sensible constituents by appearing insensitive to accomplishment and recognition.

Which is why so many of them will be relegated to trashing Norwegians.

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October 9, 2009 5:37 PM    in reply to mcc

well it's pretty much the end of the day in DC and the talk shows over the weekend are going to have to be the way to get their statements out, but it seems stupid on their part to rely on a format that is (relatively) soundbite-unfriendly.

i think at the end of the day/weekend/etc, this is pretty much the margin-call on republican obstructionism. if they piss on this party i think they really run the risk of irrelevancy beyond this term. they can say what they like about the thin-ness of the rationale for the nobel award, but its awarding is a BFD that they better recognize.

michael steele has already given the right a big kick in the throat today, the weekend will tell if the entire party really wants to be on the wrong side of history.

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October 9, 2009 5:39 PM   

The day I take Tony Fratto's advice is the day I give myself a root canal. Yes, Tony, good for Bush for reducing stockpiles, although I think those numbers are up for interpretation. And good for Bush for having the courage to let arms treaties expire, relying on executive decree rather than official arrangements, opening up new nuclear avenues with bunker busters and the RRW, and pretty much letting the nuclear proliferation issue slide down the priority list while international cooperation and international institutions declined in the face of unilateralism.

It's insane that these people get quoted in the press.

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October 9, 2009 7:14 PM    in reply to fbacon2

Not to mention starting 2 wars of course. Not quite the the kind of "peace" the committee was looking for.

Also, I do not know of 1 Nobel Peace Prize winner who won just so they could rest on those laurels. Peace is a journey, not a destination.

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October 9, 2009 6:12 PM   

Mark Salter: "The proper response...is to note the moral indefencability of what the Nobel Committee did."

Hey, it's their committee and their bloody prize. They didn't go making half assed public statements about nominating a half crazy mental midget for being a heartbeat away from the nuclear trigger. Now talk about "moral indefencability" buddy.

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October 9, 2009 6:19 PM   

Opens him up for criticism? what the fuck?!!! Just existing opens him up for criticism. Every damn decision he makes opens him up for criticism. Taking his wife out for their anniversary opened him up for criticism.

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October 9, 2009 9:26 PM    in reply to VivaAmerica!

Good point. Compared to what? The baseline is just uninterrupted vitriol.

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October 10, 2009 2:21 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

The Obama derangement syndrome?

Someone on the Cafe or somewhere here at TPM posited this same notion a couple days ago, I can't find the reference, but thanks for the inspiration if you happen to read this.

When Krauthammer tried to lay that "derangement" trip on Bush detractors and critics, it was laughable because we know in hindsight that Bush so thoroughly deserved that criticism.

Now this Obama derangement syndrome is exactly what the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush so condescendingly claimed was happening to Bush.

From the Wiki, with revisions to match the current reality Obama derangement syndrome;
" the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of Barrack Obama."

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October 10, 2009 2:32 PM    in reply to JEP07

OOPS; double-pasted the wiki reference, here's a corrected sentence...

Now this Obama derangement syndrome is exactly what Krauthammer so condescendingly claimed was happening to Bush.

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October 11, 2009 4:11 AM    in reply to JEP07

Krauthammer was projecting, something that is as natural as breathing with the loopy right. Republicans reacted to Clinton pretty much the same way they are reacting to Obama (which Krauthammer was projecting onto Democrats under Bush), but the present manifestation appears to have progressed to a tertiary stage, of which insanity is evidently a common symptom.

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October 9, 2009 6:42 PM   

I'm inured to wingnut screeching, but first with the Olympics and now the peace prize, I'm a little shocked at how eager these people are to expose themselves as hateful lowlifes. Seriously. Were these people raised by convicts? Weasels? I mean, I'm embarassed for their families. "Yeah hi mom, did you see my name in the paper where I called the Nobel prize committee morally indefensible? Wasn't that awesome?"

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October 9, 2009 7:02 PM   

Mark Salter says:
"There are a great many people in this world who are risking their lives today for the cause of peace and human dignity"

And Obama doesn't risk his life every day with wingnuts out there espousing assassination??

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October 9, 2009 7:07 PM   

If Obama's reaction and attitude about the Nobel Prize had been in keeping with Colbert's quest for the Emmy - then I could see the GOP lampooning/harpooning him - but to date, I've not found the arrogant, holier than thou attitude that warrants the GOP pundit's overreaching reaction.

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October 9, 2009 7:11 PM   

"Nor can I see how giving it to anyone based on their style of diplomacy or what they discern as his potential will advance by a single degree world peace or comfort one oppressed person,"

Sure it did! All those oppressed liberals out there! It certainly comforted me today...after the initial WTF response of course.

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October 9, 2009 7:22 PM   

I am waiting
I am waiting
I am waiting...
for the American eagle
to straighten up
and fly right.

Ferlinghetti

Well, I is We and We is the World, as the famous song put it, more or less. (I can see the whole spread of pop culture from Michael Jackson to Bob Dylan before my mind's eye this minute belting it out - there really is no business like show business!)

The whole world was waiting, impatient, frustrated, often despairing that America, beacon of hope for the whole world, the world's country with its tumultuous mix of every creed and color imaginable, seemed unable to assume its destined role as world leader, but, finally, someone comes along to give them the chance, the reason, to show their real feelings about the most powerful and popular country on earth.

They love us! This is a love letter to America from the rest of the world. Everyone now has taken advantage of the President's positive and open embrace of internationalism - respect for all nations - and rejection of small-minded, narrow nationalism to signal their enthusiastic and relieved approval of what they knew was there in us all along, but often not in evidence in our actions.

Discussion of the small-minded legalisms of the nomination period and process are beside the point - they could not help themselves! This flowed out from the heart of the world in a great gushing unstoppable stream of emotion that simply swept the committee along with it.

The award is for the President just being there, being who he is. It is to encourage us to stay on this course of peaceful involvement in the world, for the future continuation of this positive style of American leadership. It is a heartfelt thank you from the world for the whole administration and for the whole nation, each and every one of us Americans.

Most of all it is an expression of hope. It is an expression of how much the world needs to have faith in America, how much the world wants to believe in America. Now we have to live up to the responsibility they have given us.

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October 9, 2009 8:11 PM   

They probably realized (a week late) how their Olympics celebration looked to the rest of the country.

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October 10, 2009 2:26 AM    in reply to brillobreaks

Word!

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October 9, 2009 8:33 PM   

What really gets me is the holier than thou attitude of these "patriotic" Republican Hatriots. Patriotic, my foot.

Does anyone really believe that these Republcan a--holes wouldn't push America under the bus if it would lead to personal gain? That's waht cheering for America's Olympic loss was about. That's what their loathing for our president (circa 2004 "our Commander in Chief!" -- remember that?) when he wins some big award is about. Anything good for the country is bad for them.

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October 10, 2009 5:17 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

"Does anyone really believe that these Republcan a--holes wouldn't push America under the bus if it would lead to personal gain?"

Oh, you mean Halliburton moving to Dubai?

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October 9, 2009 8:52 PM   

Reading this post made me realize that maybe they think Obama won't survive his first term. Mmy European friends that are tuned into American politics certainly don't think he will. Morbid, I know, but it needs to be said.

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October 9, 2009 8:58 PM    in reply to deadflowers

Not morbid, I completely agree. It's part of the current GOP playbook. It worked against Dr. Tiller, and they're using against the President as well:

1. Use apocalyptic rhetoric that exacerbates fear, bigotry and extremism among the uneducated and intolerant.
2. Counter any liberal criticism of your inflammatory calls for action by saying they can't take a joke.
3. Keep turning up the heat and act surprised when somebody finally heeds your calls for extreme action.
4. Be sure to maintain you were only speaking/acting figuratively and you are being unfairly blamed when violence occurs.
5. Keep your celebrations behind closed doors.

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October 10, 2009 9:10 AM   

Just wait a week or two. I'm sure Mark Kirk and Jim DeMint are waiting in the wings to go overseas to bad-mouth the Prez...

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October 10, 2009 10:33 AM   

What is most remarkable is how the GOP hardly needs to say anything. The MSM is thoroughly infested/infected with rightwing frames, memes and values.

The derision and xenophobia from the press corp is pretty startling. The press doesn't like the choice so now the Nobel Prize is worthless, a joke, etc. etc. This isn't coming from the RNC, but from the MSM, presumably after thoroughly reading RNC talking points.

Most startling is how out of touch the US press is from the rest of the world, some 95% of humanity. Around the world, the Nobel has tons of cred. The US press corp? Not so much. Reminds me of how the MSM played ball with things like "freedom fries" and Kerry looking "French". Remember that?

Obama wins this huge international, historical prize, and they view is as an embarrassment becuase it means that foreigners like Obama, and that's a bad thing! And we can't forget -- or more precisely, the MSM punditry wont forget -- McCain's sneering celebrity ads around the Berlin speech. The only problem is that MCcain's sneer failed and Obama won. And, oh, by the way, on its merits, the US being popular in the world is a good thing.

I think this prize shows how thoroughly craven and corruped our press is. They've got GOP on the brain. There still inviting "fascinating" John McCain on all the Sunday shows. We've got a very ignorant, xenophobic press corp, and it can only hurt the US from ever achieving its aims around the world.

This brings me back to the wisdom of the award committee. Obama might be the last chance to bring the US back into the fold. But the US press reaction shows how much of an isolated and xenophobic rogue nation the US became under Bush.

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October 10, 2009 1:18 PM   

Screw this conversation about the Nobel Peace prize. And the Olympics. And Obama's MAJOR gay rights speech coming up. IT'S ALL ABOUT JOBS PEOPLE! I'm so disappointed in the man I voted for. He can talk-the-talk but as of now the man cannot walk-the-walk.

Georgie boy left an unbelievable mess but Obama has not shown me any leadership in getting us out of this crisis. Letting Geithner and Summers and Wall Street take our money and laugh in our face, and Obama constantly equivocating on the Public Option for HCR is very distressing. Like most presidents he loves the world stage. Stay at home please. Speeches, at this critical time, will not put one person back to work.

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October 10, 2009 4:11 PM    in reply to sisterkevin

Huh? Since when does the president make jobs? Jobs are a lagging indicator, and economists think we will have a lose recovery. ALL of this is a consequence of the extraordinary mess WE have gotten ourselves into, deep into debt, housing bubble burst , with failed banks.

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October 10, 2009 5:09 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

Bailout bank money was supposed to induce lending to small businesses so they could expand and hire people. But apparently, they took the money and ran, or loaned it to each other, rather than trickling it down.

But the STIMULUS package HAS begun to create infrastructure repair and maintenance jobs, but it's like a Slinky when it's all stretched out and you let go of one end, it takes a while for the tail to catch up to the head.

But all you have to do to see it starting to work is drive down the interstate, or through downtown, and get a glimpse of the construction and maintenance going on, there's no doubt that stimulus money creates jobs. But it isn't going to happen overnight.

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October 10, 2009 10:02 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

Huh? AnswerF, you obviously don't get it. Stop with the "Jobs are a lagging indicator, and economists think we will have a lose recovery" babble. Anyone can talk that babble but not anyone can lead or is in a position to lead the nation. The president can and he's not. There's no recovery w/o jobs. People say were in jobless recovery. It has no meaning. Stop hiding behind the economists. President Obama has no focus, is afraid to step on anyones toes, invites Joe Wilson to play hoops, lets the Wall Strret crowd push him around when he should be whipping them like an old mule, and has the people who put him in office on suicide watch because he cannot simply say "no PO no HCR", defers to Geitner as if he has all the answers, and at the end of the day seems to be going sideways on most political issues. It's about jobs. And he can create them. It's called leadership and so far he hasn't shown much of it here at home.

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October 10, 2009 11:35 PM    in reply to sisterkevin

President =/= God

He can't "create" a single job. He isn't even allowed to write bill.

Bigger point is that tht the jobless L-shaped recovery is a fact beyond almost everyone's control. At this point, we have to work our way out of debt and it is going to take some years to climb out of the hole. That's life. Get over it.

Now resume your FACT-FREE screed. You sound like the Republicans -- facts and reality don't matter, only vehemence and spin.

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October 11, 2009 4:29 AM    in reply to sisterkevin

When reformists in the Democratic party pushed their preferred aganda on FDR early in his first term, he told them, "I agree with you. I want to do it. Now make me do it."

Our job as citizens is to keep up the pressure, on Obama and also on our representatives in Congress, and just out in the community generally, for the measures we want to see taken. Obama is far more likely to do those things you want him to do if you make noise about it to the people in Washington. Already the steady public insistence on the public option seems to have rescued it at least temporarily from the ash heap. No president in his right mind is going to embark on a program of extensive reform without being pushed to do it, because he wants to be sure that he's not galloping out too far ahead of the troops.

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October 10, 2009 3:06 PM   

Why complain......and he IS donating the money to charity. For that reason alone, applause, applause.

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October 10, 2009 5:02 PM   

Reminds me of a couple scriptures, all about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees.
Matthew 11:17
Luke 7:32

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October 11, 2009 12:02 AM   

You should change yr name AnswerF. And please tell me, how do we "work our way out of debt"? We could drive revenue by creating what answer man - jobs. And you do that by lending money. But here's the rub: the Pres will throw our tax $$ at the banks and all they say is TYVM. More please. AIG gets bailout at 100% on the dollar! During the S&L; crisis over 1,000 "investors" went to jail. And the count today - zero. And the bankers say no I can't lend it out to small businesses or start-ups that might create jobs. But the Pres says NOTHING. Like I said, no leadership. And no I'm not a pub. Stop with the cheap shots and tell me where I'm wrong.

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October 11, 2009 4:51 AM    in reply to sisterkevin

So what, exactly, do you think he should be doing or saying that he is not doing or saying? If you are going to push for more action, you need to be specific about what action you want taken. Unfocused ranting is not likely to accomplish anything.

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October 11, 2009 12:03 AM   

Looks like the Nobel Committee unanimously selected a marxist/muslim/death panel/nazi as winner of the Nobel Peace Prize. I guess this means the Nobel Committee is also part of the great conspiracy.
Quite a large number of elected Republicans have committed themselves to some or all of the wing-nut theories. As reality becomes more apparent over time, the nut-ball statements of these Republicans will come back to bite them.
By the way, I can't think of any single individual who has done more to shift the war dynamic than Barrack Obama. I think a lot of Americans don't even realize what he has already accomplished.
How about this.. John McCain, the guy who just a few months ago was singing "Bomb. bomb, bomb Iran..." is now congradulating President Barrack Obama. Yes, the tables are starting to turn. Keep it up Mr. President. Work that rope-a-dope until they're punch drunk, then seize the moment!

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October 11, 2009 2:01 AM   

While you're waiting to see which road most Repubs decide to go down - get ready with "10 reasons Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize".

http://trulyskewed.blogspot.com/2009/10/ten-reasons-obama-deserves-nobel-peace.html

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October 11, 2009 7:34 AM   

I have nothing against Obama, but I still think that it was too early for him ot be awarded this prestigious prize.

http://next-world-war.blogspot.com

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