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Can India find true liberation?

The economic miracle is transforming life on the subcontinent – and challenging established mores. Krishnan Guru-Murthy sees a nation searching for a new identity

Salaam, 11, a runaway who lives rough in India's biggest city

Salaam, 11, a runaway who lives rough in India's biggest city

In a city of 14 million people, it shouldn't be hard to find a gay man in Delhi. Statistically there must be around a million of them, but they don't exactly stand out.

A few websites list the "popular" cruising spots, but without the most culturally sensitive gaydar it is hard to tell who might be looking for fun and who most certainly isn't. Ever the team player, I send a colleague and his Indian fixer to stroll around Nehru Park trying to look both furtive and appealing, but nobody seems to be biting. Three supposed cruising spots later, and everyone is a little bit grumpy. In an Indian Winter of the kind Channel 4 is exploring this month it is certainly pretty cold right now, so has this deterred the thrill-seekers, we wonder? It isn't supposed to be like this. Six months after the High Court decriminalised homosexual behaviour, India is slowly coming out. The first gay shop has just opened in Mumbai, and in a delightfully innocent way is selling gay-friendly T-shirts and mugs. Don't expect to find anything raunchier. India has seen its first legal gay pride marches and there is even talk of the first gay love scene in a Bollywood film.

By gay love scene we can probably expect a bit of hand-holding and possibly a hug – but you've got to start somewhere. Where the Indian newspapers' classified ads columns used to exclusively feature rather coy and formal matrimonial details, there are now garish and vulgar ads for gay escorts and for "massage". (For some reason, "Afghan bodybuilder type" clearly conjures the sexiest image on earth here, rather than the slightly scary Taliban that might spring to mind in Britain.) But India is not finding it easy to come to terms with social modernisation. The decriminalisation ruling has prompted a rare coalition of conservative Hindus, Muslims and Christians fighting together in India's Supreme Court. "They think I have single-handedly corrupted the moral values of the nation," says Anjali Gopalan of the Naz Foundation campaign group, adding, "But I feel fairly confident the decriminalisation will be upheld at the Supreme Court." Gopalan is frank, however, that the gay rights campaign had to be spearheaded by a straight woman like her, who would be taken seriously by the establishment.

Being gay in India might no longer invite trouble with the police and the threat of 10 years in jail, but in a country still built around the institution of marriage it's a social disaster for most. "It is still very difficult and dark. You'll have to get a job where people accept you, because most places won't. Even supposedly open-minded people have double standards," says Varun, one of the few openly gay men here happy to talk to the media. "They're like 'that's cool' if it's your brother who is gay, but if it's their brother ... my God." Most parents don't find out about their gay offspring's sexuality, and those that do often push them into marriage, children and a conventional lifestyle. "They're told they can do what they like once they're married, so long as they conform and have a wife and children," explains Varun. So vast numbers of homosexual men in India do not identify themselves as gay – merely as men who have sex with other men. And every gay man you talk to here has a story about somebody driven to depression or self-harm, or others beaten up or harassed.

It is a struggle with social change that you can see in many aspects of India, as the country develops and grows so quickly. In the cities the younger generation who go out and work in the call centres, the financial and other service industries now have independent disposable income. They have access to the media, the internet and mobile phones, and have never been as free from the eyes of their parents. It is easier than it has ever been before for young men and women to find the time and opportunity to meet each other, have relationships and extra-marital affairs. Not that they want to mimic Western moral values. A survey of young people to be revealed on Channel 4 News from India this week shows clearly that most feel that the country is not too socially restrictive and has the moral balance right. A surprisingly high number think the West is a bad influence.

But with progress and modernity has come insecurity. If parents are less in control than ever, they are acutely aware of it. That insecurity has spawned a whole new industry related to marriage, in the form of private investigations. In an age where match-makers no longer bring families together with all the background knowledge that entails, parents have started hiring detectives to check out their prospective in-laws. "2010 will be a good year for private investigators," declares Ramesh Madan of Goliath Detectives, who just won a lifetime achievement award from the President of India. "Modernisation of India has brought more people having more affairs, more people doing bad things." He and his team of 300 staff spend much of their time following around entirely innocent young men and women to see if they are worthy of getting married. They will be checked to see if their jobs are what they claim, whether they hang around with a bad crowd, smoke and drink and, most importantly, have existing relationships. And once they pass that test there is a good chance Madan and his ilk will be hired again to check out those suspected of having

affairs. "Usually the evidence never goes to court. The client usually shows the proof to the other side and they agree amongst themselves quietly." A wander around Madan's den and office leaves you bewildered and amused in equal measure. He plays to the clich� of an Indian Inspector Clouseau, insisting on wearing a mac and hat throughout our meeting. He has a plethora of disguises, from beards, moustaches and spectacles, to a fake sheikh outfit. Secret recording devices are used routinely, there are pocket batons and handcuffs, and my personal favourite gadget: a camera lens that shoots at 90 degrees to the angle it appears to be pointing. After showing me some telephone bugs of questionable legality the septuagenarian super-sleuth opens a cupboard where, under lock and key, he keeps a small .22 calibre pistol. "Have you ever fired it?" I venture. "Oh yes," he grins, "but I've never hit anyone. Just warning shots. I have been attacked many times by people I have investigated." A reasonable reaction is to wonder what on earth are India's middle classes doing spending their money on such a ghastly intrusive business? Protecting their investments, comes the matter-of-fact reply. People only tend to go to the detective agencies when they have very strong suspicions – which often turn out to be right. "I only take on cases where I know I will get a result," explains Madan.

Of course the moral dilemmas of India's new middle classes are still those of the minority. India's 7 per cent economic growth, despite a global recession, might slowly change the lives of all its citizens, but the grim realities of life for the poor, the low-caste and the street children do not seem to have become any less visible or shocking. It is a truth that modern India hates seeing the West focus on. Despite some pride at the Oscars that Danny Boyle's movie Slumdog Millionaire won for India, the movie still provokes cold anger among many here who would rather not dwell on the underbelly of India's poor. In the creakier corners of Indian officialdom, it is best not to mention the film if one hails from Channel 4. It certainly doesn't help open any doors. And calling people 'dogs' of any kind never goes down well in India no matter how good it sounds in a movie title. But for several weeks a Dispatches team has been filming kids on the streets of Mumbai: the real Slumdog children, if you like. And if the movie was shocking but uplifting, the real-life documentary is every bit as affecting. Most unaccompanied children arrive from India's drought-ridden and under-developed northern states: Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. Some as young as six, they flee from broken homes and broken bones. Most of all, they run away from poverty, believing that Mumbai is the place where dreams come true.

The runaway girls rarely make it beyond the station – the porters have an arrangement with the red-light pimps. It's the boys who you'll see on the streets outside. Look in the shadows, for the huddled shapes in doorways and bus stops, park benches and basements. You'll only hear them when your taxi stops at the traffic lights. "Sir, sir, just 10 rupees. Eat." That's how the team met Salaam, who had arrived in Mumbai just days before. He couldn't remember when exactly, nor how old he is. He said 11, but looks nearer nine. Sitting him down to eat – his first proper meal for some time – he slowly revealed his story. He was from Bihar, his mother died of TB, his father remarried a woman with her own kids who had neither time nor love for Salaam. He became a domestic slave – beaten if he spilt the well water. He'd run away before, but never as far as Mumbai, and was sleeping rough. Salaam had fallen in with a crowd of boys, and spent much of his time with 20-year-old Asif, who had taken the newcomer under his wing. He'd also been introduced to 'whitener' – the solvent used in typewriter correction fluid, which the boys inhale. Some of the other boys make allegations of abuse against the older Asif. But when the police officer arrives he merely gives Asif a thrashing and warns him to leave the younger boys alone.

It is estimated that 200,000 children sleep rough on Mumbai's streets. Of the rest of the city's 18 million residents, around half live in the slums. The kids there tell a different story. They have a roof over their heads, but many are living through the turmoil Salaam has run away from. Even within conventional family units, overcrowding, poverty and substance abuse turn homes into battlegrounds.

Eleven-year-old twins Hussan and Hussein live in the 'Pipeline' slum in the middle of Mumbai – a ramshackle parade of three-storey squats balanced precariously on a two-metre-wide pipe. It's home to over 350 families, without a flushing toilet between them and just three working taps. Hussan and Hussein gave up school years ago – to become 'rag-pickers' collecting rubbish to sell to the local recycling centre. They make about 25p per day from the trade. The twins live with their parents and brother in a space four metres by three, and sleep under the bed, even though the water leaks in. It's safer there; they can hide from their alcoholic father, who sleeps while their mother sells melons on the street outside.

It's a world defined by fear and insecurity, not least because the Pipeline slum is earmarked for demolition as the city planners attempt to dev- elop the site. It is a familiar story across Mumbai: homes are cleared and people moved on to the next site. The lucky ones are offered new accommodation somewhere far away – but many don't want it as it takes them away from their livelihoods and their networks. So you see the strange sight of people living in extreme poverty apparently turning down offers of new homes.

Young girls in the slums can face an even more precarious future. Seven-year-old Deepa already faces the prospect of being married off, illegally, or forced into domestic service. In the meantime, she is one of the estimated 100 million child workers in India. She sells flowers at the junction at Bhandra West, where Bollywood stars come to shop and play. Like so many of the kids here, Deepa is old beyond her years, and carefree moments are rare.

She lives with her grandmother in the Khardanda slum. Since her father died of alcohol abuse a year ago, her mother has abandoned Deepa and her three brothers. Money is tight, and Deepa spends her time after school desperately searching for her mother, not in the hope of reconciliation but to ask her for cash to feed her and her siblings. Her brother Rupesh, just 18 months old, is ill and needs more care than a seven-year-old can provide.

For the reporter, it is always difficult to know where to place this side of India – which generally gets a tremendously good press nowadays because of its economic development. It doesn't feel very "new India" – or "Incredible India" as the marketing slogan goes. But to point out that people are still poor and desperate in a nation changing fast is not just obvious but trite. The nation cannot go from developing to developed overnight, even at its current growth rate. What's harder to explain is the way Indians don't seem to agonise over the fact that such poverty and extremes are still the norm for so many people here. The ever-expanding 24-hour media here barely mentions it.

Instead, India seems focussed on its place in the world. The middle classes are proud that the nation is emerging as an economic superpower, and the government is determined to take its rightful place in the world order – not by flexing muscles perhaps, but by extending 'soft power' at least. The urbane, London-born Foreign Minister, Shashi Tharoor, told me last week, "I was delighted to learn that in Britain today more people are employed in Indian restaurants than in your coal, steel and shipbuilding industries combined. So the empire can strike back." India's global reach will depend on whether its values, strength and opportunities appeal to the outside world. But as Varun and Ramesh and the real slumdog children in Mumbai make all too clear, social change might well take some time to catch up.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy presents Channel 4 News from India, starting on Wednesday.

Dispatches: The Slumdog Children of Mumbai is at 9pm on 21 January.

Indian milestones: Independence, Bollywood, IT – and one billion people

1947

After decades of rising nationalist fervour, India achieves independence from Britain. The subcontinent is divided into mainly Hindu India and the Muslim-majority state of Pakistan, triggering communal conflict that leads to widespread bloodshed and hundreds of deaths.

1952

India holds its first free elections, with 60 per cent turnout for what chief election officer Sukumar Sen describes as "the biggest experiment in democracy in human history". Last year, 714m voters visited 828,804 polling stations, choosing from more than 5,000 candidates.

1970s

English-language writers in India coin the word "Bollywood" for India's already well-established film industry. In the same decade, Bollywood overtakes Hollywood as the world's most prolific movie machine. It now produces more than 800 films a year.

1990s

Indian software engineers recruited to help squash the Millennium Bug help to establish a vast IT out- sourcing industry, creating for India a reputation as the world's back-office, and, by 2008, landing more than 4 million young graduates with a disposable income.

1996

McDonald's opens its first Indian outlet in New Delhi, offering the Maharaja Mac – an alternative to the Big Mac made with lamb. The country is now home to more than 170 branches, where last year sales increased by 35 per cent. KFC plans to open 50 new stores by the end of this year.

2000

Baby Astha, born to a poor couple in a Delhi hospital, is named India's billionth person. The UN warns of widespread shortages of food and water if the country's demographic growth does not slow down. The population is expected to top 1.7 billion people by 2050.

2007

Vogue India's launch is marred by controversy surrounding the appearance on the cover of Australian model Gemma Ward sandwiched between Bollywood actresses Bipasha Basu and Priyanka Chopra. Ward was also chosen to front the first edition of Vogue China in 2005.

1980

A court in New Delhi overturns a 148-year-old law criminalising gay sex. Activists say criminalisation – sex between people of the same gender carried a sentence of 10 years – forced people underground and hampered the fight against Aids.

Simon Usborne

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Is that all?
[info]newapples wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 08:24 am (UTC)

Channel 4�s Indian Season

India is 1.2 square million of a country (that is 12 times UK�s), 6000 years old of a civilisation (2 times UK�s), 1200 million of people (20 times UK�s), 4rth largest economy of the world( 1.5 times UKs), It has art culture and literature richer than many of the continents, and is a country of one of the happiest people on earth!

And all that Channel 4 has got to show us is 1 square mile of slums of Mumbai and excrement. Is that all that interests them or is there something more to it? I have not seen so much of coverage from them of a more relevant issue of young civilised drunken people lying in their own puke on the streets of Britain.

By far, Indians are one of the most enterprising and hard working people on earth. Show us how they have built a formidable nation in just 63 years after 800 hundred years of foreign rule and pillage. Show us their ancient temples, oldest religions, world�s first Universities, perfect languages, arts, crafts, literature that contains world�s longest poem ever written, and the famous work about the art of love making written when most of Europe was living in huts wearing animal hides. Their firsts in mathematics, civil architecture, sports, science, world�s largest publicly held gold reserves, abundance of talent, and acquisition of Jaguar cars and Arclor Steel among others in UK.

And about the gay issue. Hinduism, the soul of India, is probably the only religion of the world that celebrates sexuality, and in all forms gay, bi or hetro. Visit Hindu temples of Khujrao sometimes and see with your own eyes. In recent years (that is 800 years in Indian context) Indians have got influenced by invading foreign religions and started to have narrow foreign views about sexuality. Ask any informed Indian and you will know how liberated India and its traditions are.

If you want to showcase India, from 4000 BC to 2010 AD, there is a lot to show and discuss about India, not just few square miles of slums, unless someone has some special interests.

Re: Is that all?
[info]faircomment wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 09:13 am (UTC)
I entirely agree. I spent a month in India in December and find it hard to believe that all that this journo ( whom I vaguely remember from my 40 years of living in the UK) can find to write about is this kind of crap. Yes there are still a lot of problems to be overcome, but provide a balanced view of India rather than this prejudiced, stereotyped Brit version. If Channel 4 wants to find run-down city slums Glasgow, Moss Side and parts of the East End might fit the bill better!
Re: Is that all?
[info]newapples wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 09:57 am (UTC)
Thanks for your comment. I think media here particularly likes the smell and sight of Indian .....
Re: Is that all?
[info]swanandprasad wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 12:05 pm (UTC)
It is extremely naive to think that recent sexual conservativeness in India is caused by foreign influence.
Where is your evidence?

Did you expect that nothing would change since Kujaraho.



Jive.
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 10:15 am (UTC)
Namaste, don't be too hard on Krishnan, it has to "play well in Peterborough", most folks are still ignorant about India.
hi
[info]ryan110001 wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 10:36 am (UTC)
asdf
Once
[info]ryan110001 wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 10:45 am (UTC)
I just dont get it,, I as like other indians enjoyed slumdog millionaire as a nice piece of fictional movie. But to keep on going on and on about the slums in India, sending bleay eyed foreigners on tv programmes to go and comment and state its unhygenic, small children shouldnt be working, blah blah and than to see one more journalist jumping on the bandwagon of its not right, let me shed some tears.

THEY DONT NEED YOUR PITY AND SYMPATHY IT WONT KEEP FILL UP THEIR STOMACH.

Show me one developed country where there are no poor people. Show me one developed country where everyone is clean, has got great hygiene and great eating habits. NILL. Britain suppossed to be a developed country has got

1. Council estates where its more dangerous to stay than any of those slums.
2. There are people here supported by the government to do nothing.
3. People here in the lower classes have some of the worst eating habits of the world. Drinking gallons load of iron bru and coke is more dangerous than living in those slums.

India as one user pointed out is a huge country and to focus on 1 mile of area and to say this is Indias development is just another way of feeling good for all the westerners who for the first time are facing an uncertain world where countries like China and India are emerging as the new superpowers.

To be a superpower, you dont need to be perfect, all you need is vast human and natural resources of which Britain has got none.

The tradeoff between huge population is slums and poverty but thats how it works. Britain has got a small population and is a small country hence its all clean and sanitised.
Re: Once
[info]nashj wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 12:56 pm (UTC)
Me neither.
As an Indian who earlier travelled to other weatern countries and now live in one of them, I have always been inundated with questions on 'poverty' in India. Depending on the speaker, the tones varied - from cluck-cluck sympathetic sounds, to genuinely concerned ones (very few, and these were those who actually made some indirect contribution to helping out with world poverty issues), many naive questions and I would think 'boy! didn't you read your history books' (by the way,the Gallic nation where I live, apparently doesn't have any lesson on the Indus Valley Civilization in their history school books, while in India we had detailed lessons on other major civilazations and also important events like the French revolution), and, finally some downright condescending ones.
Reading all the above responses, I gave a sigh of relief. They all sum up excellently all the facts that one needs to understand about India before just labelling it 'a poverty-ridden' country or even a country of 'palaces and kings'!
And one more thing, some journalists and writers from India seem to revel in writing only 'slumdog- millionaire -type accounts of the country.
Hand-holding?
[info]swanandprasad wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 11:55 am (UTC)
Although the author has an Indian name it seems he has no idea of Indian life.
ALL young Indian men hold hands. It is a sign of friendship
Re: Hand-holding?
[info]nashj wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 01:14 pm (UTC)
Absolutely!
It is common to see that in every city, town and village in India. Men simply even slip their arms around each other's shoulders while sharing a joke without any self-consciousness.
In fact, touch is relatively common in India among people. Strangers come and cup my toddler's cheeks or any other cute child's while passing, without the fear of being labelled a 'child molester'. While travelling I often have people ask if they could hold my child for a moment. I happily agreed as I know where they are coming from and hey! I am right there! Parents (middle class who can afford prams) sweep up their kids in their arms while shopping in malls instead of using the stroller, and of course the poorer villagers have always held their babies close to them.
The social restriction between opposite sexes is too long a topic to discuss now, so maybe another time...
Re: Hand-holding?
[info]faircomment wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 03:22 pm (UTC)
Krishnan Guru Murthy may be an Indian name but the author is British born and probably neither speaks nor understands any indian language. The only saving grace is that the loonies from the BNP who sometimes frequent these columns can't label him Indian because he displays many of the traits they do in their sheer ignorance.
1970s - Bollywood
[info]shynilhash wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 12:29 pm (UTC)
Bollywood is India's Hindi Film Industry. It is NOT India's film industry. The Indian film industry comprises of Bollywood (Hindi), Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, Bengali and smaller belts like Bhojpuri, Assami, Marathi, etc industries. And these film industries are as different as Hollywood and Bollywood.

And going by total value or even volume (no. of films) of production, Telugu Film Industry is the biggest in the country. Yes, Bollywood rides on popularity as it speaks the national language and also high on gloss value.
Well, isn't that what the Sahibs want to see?
[info]algarda wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 01:07 pm (UTC)
Why would they be interested in seeing what makes the country tick, or its successes despite all odds, the greatest handicap being poor governance - India's been described as a country of bright people ruled by dimwits. India's misfortune has been been plain dumb policies that no one in leadership wants to tamper with, however stupid these may be. The government has not exactly allowed the country to find its wings even after the so called liberalisation of the early 90's. Before that, the country was run by Quota/Licence/Inspector Raj, with the fat, lazy, socialist thumb of the government in every economic pie and India undeservedly and foolishly languished.

India is being held back even today by its incompetent politicians, outdated laws, corruption, lethargic judiciary and goalless, unaccountable bureaucracy. What India has achieved is a tribute to its enterprising people who have emerged from India's far flung corners to deliver one success story after another, just because they were allowed by the bovine system, almost reluctantly. Just think, if India had good governance where might it have been....

But no, that would be a boring story. Sahibs want to relish the whiff of slum excreta before it dries off for ever.
Indian Milestones: Corrected
[info]newapples wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
Indian Milestones: Corrected

Earliest settlement, copper tools, farming, villages 7000-3300 BC

Indus Valley Civilization 3300-1700 BC
Cities,coins and sanitation systems

Harrapan Civilisation 1700-1300 BC
More advancements

Golden/Vedic age 1200 BC-1200 AD

All that is glory of India,Temples,worlds first university,The language of languages-Sanskrit,Gold, Discovery of Diamonds,Hinduism,Budhism,Religion as a philosophy, Mahabharat, Invention of Zero, Chess, Astronomy, Ayrveda, Yoga, Kamasutra, Khujraos and great cities,temples and architecture of southren India, flourishing trade with Mediterranean, Richest place on earth.

Islamic invasions 1200 AD-1700 AD
All that is now barren planes of northern India.

British invasion and rule 1700 D-1947 AD
All the wealth that was transported and formed the basis of industrial revolution.

Divisions of India into majority Hindu India and Islamic Pakistan 1947 AD

From a devastated and pillaged land to world�s 4rth largest economy 1947-2010 AD

This is the true timeline of Indian events. India, its civilisation and its people did not land on earth in 1947 A.D. Indians do not need a new identity, they already have a great one.
Re: Indian Milestones: Corrected
[info]nashj wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 01:23 pm (UTC)
Ummmm some more corrections. The Islamic conquests did not result in barren plains. Look at many of the great monuments in India please. We cannot simply dismiss an entire period of history with such incorrect, sweeping generalisations.
In all fairness, in spite of being a colonised nation of Britain, we did get some benefits (that we could better enjoy after our independence and developed it better with our own abilities, of course) like the railways and a language we are quite good at...and cricket.
Answer:
[info]noproppaganda wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 01:25 pm (UTC)
I wish.

khajuraho my arse.
Hi
[info]ryan110001 wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 01:26 pm (UTC)
I just dont get it,, I as like other indians enjoyed slumdog millionaire as a nice piece of fictional movie. But to keep on going on and on about the slums in India, sending bleay eyed foreigners on tv programmes to go and comment and state its unhygenic, small children shouldnt be working, blah blah and than to see one more journalist jumping on the bandwagon of its not right, let me shed some tears.

THEY DONT NEED YOUR PITY AND SYMPATHY IT WONT KEEP FILL UP THEIR STOMACH.

Show me one developed country where there are no poor people. Show me one developed country where everyone is clean, has got great hygiene and great eating habits. NILL. Britain suppossed to be a developed country has got

1. Council estates where its more dangerous to stay than any of those slums.
2. There are people here supported by the government to do nothing.
3. People here in the lower classes have some of the worst eating habits of the world. Drinking gallons load of iron bru and coke is more dangerous than living in those slums.

India as one user pointed out is a huge country and to focus on 1 mile of area and to say this is Indias development is just another way of feeling good for all the westerners who for the first time are facing an uncertain world where countries like China and India are emerging as the new superpowers.

To be a superpower, you dont need to be perfect, all you need is vast human and natural resources of which Britain has got none.
[info]ashokmehta13 wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 01:34 pm (UTC)
The article is not even reading, much less commented on. The author is bent showing India in the worst manner possible, it is worse than shit
india has a space programme yet 70 percent of the people live on 2 dollars a day in the slums!!!
[info]maradona_2009 wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 01:59 pm (UTC)
welldone to the chanel 4 production team on exposeing what is really going on in india they have a space programme yet we give them billions in aid while 70 percent of the public in the slums live on 2 dollars a day if that its a disgrace what is going on in india the caste system discriminates against the poor people while the elite ave there bollywood razzmataz and 20/20 cricket while at the same time they have a team in the formula 1 called team india that wastes millions
Re: !!!!!
[info]algarda wrote:
Monday, 18 January 2010 at 02:39 pm (UTC)
Countries need help from other countries when faced with disasters. Even the USA received help after Katrina Hurricane. Germany when faced with flood some years ago. China after the recent earthquake etc.

India's been getting foreign aid because its government itself is a disaster.

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