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Who cares about the Nobel? We wanna know who won the Molly!

Category: Administrative
Posted on: October 9, 2009 2:46 PM, by PZ Myers

The Molly Award for August 2009 goes to Carlie and strange gods before me. To quote another recipient of some random award out of the blue, "accept this award as a call to action".

Congratulations to both, and now that that's out of the way, you know the drill — leave comments here with your nominations for best commenter of September 2009.

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#1

Posted by: Speedwell Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 2:57 PM

Congrats Carlie and strange gods!

Vote in for Desert Son (a.k.a. Robert).

#2

Posted by: Bobber Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:08 PM

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

I think I'm going to with Desert Son, as well. Although I may make an additional nomination after some further re-reading of the last month's posts...

#3

Posted by: Brownian, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:09 PM

I'm good for a vote for Desert Son, and a nomination for AJ Milne.

#4

Posted by: Sastra Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:11 PM

Worthy winners, yet again.

I've 2 names scribbled on a little post-it by my computer:
DaveL and A Noyd.

I can -- and did -- think of more, but didn't have a pencil at the time they were being awesome. Such are the vicissitudes of fate. There are too many good commenters.

#5

Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:20 PM

Congratulations to Carlie and strange gods. Keep on posting. I'll wait until I get home to my lists to make my nominations. As usual, there too many names on the lists, so some very deserving people will unmentioned.

#6

Posted by: strange gods before me Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:25 PM

Thank you! Carlie really deserves it!

Updating my list:

Carlie
Desert Son
Nominal Egg
AJ Milne

#7

Posted by: strange gods before me Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:36 PM

PZ, there's a little mix-up. You moved Brownian's and Zeno's links into our names.

#8

Posted by: Hyperon Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:38 PM

Walton seems by far the most intellectually honest regular poster who isn't me, so my vote goes to him. I remain baffled as to how such a clear thinker, with his formidable, polymathic knowledge of the social sciences, could sincerely subscribe to the transparently shallow dross that is libertarianism.

#9

Posted by: Brownian, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:38 PM

I forgot to congratulate Carlie and strange gods before me, and thus I hereby and heartily do so, and pledge to donate my OM prize money--all 10 million squidbux--to a worthy charity of their choice as penance.

I hope they don't mind that I've already spent the bulk of it on drugs, booze and video games, and accept this I.O.U.

Congrats again, guys!

#10

Posted by: Jadehawk, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:40 PM

congratulations! both well deserved ones, and if you hadn't won I'd had to vote for you again. As it is, I'm free to vote for Feynmaniac and AJ Milne :-)

#11

Posted by: strange gods before me Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:46 PM

I forgot to congratulate Carlie and strange gods before me, and thus I hereby and heartily do so, and pledge to donate my OM prize money--all 10 million squidbux--to a worthy charity of their choice as penance.

National Association for the Advancement of Cephalopods

#12

Posted by: aratina cage Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:54 PM

Wonderful! Congrats to both strange gods before me and Carlie!

I vote for Aquaria for a powerful call to stand up against the marginalization and discrimination imposed on atheists by theists in the face of pressure to stand down by accommodationists.

#13

Posted by: Brian Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:56 PM

I nominate myself. Every call for nominees needs to have one completely-WTF candidate.

#14

Posted by: flyonthewall Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 3:56 PM

well if the criteria for Molly's is the same as Nobel's, then i think i should be nominated, cause i've done nothing.

oooh too soon????

#15

Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:10 PM

Congratulations to Carlie and strange gods before me. Two well deserved selections.

As I have for the past several months, I nominate John Morales and Desert Son (aka No Kings Robert).

#16

Posted by: AdamK Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:11 PM

Excellent choices, and congrats to both.

What's this I hear about Feinmaniac not having a Molly? Ridiculous! This state of affairs must be corrected forthwith.

And Desert Son should be crowned king. Failing that, a Molly will do.

#17

Posted by: MrFire Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:13 PM

Congratulations Carlie and strange gods, for serving up fresh-baked wit, hearty erudition, and many, many servings of troll stew.

Walton seems by far the most intellectually honest regular poster who isn't me, so my vote goes to him. I remain baffled as to how such a clear thinker, with his formidable, polymathic knowledge of the social sciences, could sincerely subscribe to the transparently shallow dross that is libertarianism.
#18

Posted by: Ol'Greg Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:15 PM

Oh SGBM is one of my favorites, and Carlie often says what I think I mean better than I ever could.

I didn't know Aquaria didn't have one. My problem is I have trouble figuring out who has and hasn't.

Had Tis Himself won?

I'd nominate him and Aquaria.

#19

Posted by: Zetetic Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:17 PM

Congrats to both Carlie and strange gods before me!

As for the new nominations....
I'm voting for Desert Son and Knockgoats.

#20

Posted by: TechSkeptic Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:20 PM

Yo, Carlie and strange gods before me, I'm really happy for you an Imma let you finish but Desert Son has had the best comments ever!

#21

Posted by: Feynmaniac Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:21 PM

My vote goes to Desert Son.

#22

Posted by: Feynmaniac Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:24 PM

And congrats to both Carlie and sgbm. Well deserved!

#23

Posted by: CJO Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:35 PM

Knockgoats has one, in another incarnation.

I'll throw a vote in for the always thoughtful, and thought-provoking, Desert Son.

Honorable mention:
Feynmaniac
John Morales

Yay! (and much bacon) for Carlie and sgbm. Don't go disappearing on us, now.

#24

Posted by: Celtic_Evolution Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:36 PM

Congrats Carlie and sgbm! Well deserved...

I wrote last month about my desire to have advanced Molly levels for commenters who've won before but deserve to win again for their continued awesome-ness. Were that possible I'd vote David Marjanovic for a Molly, 2nd order (or some other clever hierarchical designation)... but until and unless that becomes the case, I think Desert Son is long overdue...

#25

Posted by: Sastra Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:42 PM

For those who are wondering who already has a Molly, click on the "Commenters" tab on the bar near the top of the page.
(Nick Gotts = Knockgoats, btw)

I should never check back on these threads once I've voted. I invariably see nominations (like Desert Son, Milne, and Feynmaniac) who I meant to vote for, or should have meant to vote for, or have voted for in the past, and didn't this time. Oh well.

Though I am charmed by the vote for Walton, think he deserves credit, and so I'll add him.

Walton

#26

Posted by: Zetetic Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:48 PM

Oops missed that! Thanks for pointing that out!

In that case change my vote for Knockgoats to Feynmaniac.

#27

Posted by: Owlmirror Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:52 PM

Congrats to carlie and sgbm!

I am surprised that John Morales does not already have a Molly, so that's one more. And Zetetic has been impressing me, so that's one vote for SIWOTI-sufferers solidarity.

Excelsior!

#28

Posted by: Newfie Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 4:56 PM

congrats guys, well deserved.
sadly, I've been a bit busy the last month to cast an informed vote, but I'll second some of these.

#29

Posted by: Jadehawk, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:04 PM

Though I am charmed by the vote for Walton, think he deserves credit, and so I'll add him.

hm....

ok, fine. for abandoning his AGW denialism, I'm gonna add Walton, too. Embracing reality should be rewarded, even if it happens in baby steps (there was supposed to be a link to a clip of the appropriate part of "What about Bob" here, but I can't find it)

#30

Posted by: Forbidden Snowflake Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:10 PM

Congratulations to the two highly worthy laureates.

#31

Posted by: kopd Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:11 PM

Congratulations!

I'm too new here to have an idea who I'd nominate for something such as this. But I can say that the conversations here have enlightened me quite a bit and I've really enjoyed my first week as a commenter here. Thank you all.

#32

Posted by: SC OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:12 PM

Wonderful! Congratulations to you both!

AJ Milne, whose writing has an quirky, old-fashioned quality to it that I much enjoy

Feynmaniac, whose "Mooney's Law" yesterday reminded me how overdue he is

Desert Son, whose substance is solid and style is soothing

#33

Posted by: https://me.yahoo.com/a/QTzC1dwDrOB9sygZg5TQQ2lbXrSIgoDU9hEQ#e47d4 Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:14 PM

I can get behind a nomination for Walter as well.
I really liked the comment from Alyson on the Impeach Obama? thread.

Is this supposed to be a recognition of long term contributions, if so I'll just keep an eye out then.

I also throw in a vote for No Kings Robert/aka Desert Son

#34

Posted by: Brownian, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:14 PM

I wrote last month about my desire to have advanced Molly levels for commenters who've won before but deserve to win again for their continued awesome-ness. Were that possible I'd vote David Marjanovic for a Molly, 2nd order (or some other clever hierarchical designation)... but until and unless that becomes the case, I think Desert Son is long overdue...

We do; they're just not officially recognised by PZ for complex political reasons he keeps a carefully guarded secret.

There is the OM(CC), or Order of the Molly (with Calamari Cluster), and the rarest of rare OM(CCSoT), or Order of the Molly (with Calamari Cluster and Side of Tzatziki).

#36

Posted by: Sili Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:31 PM

Brownian, get it right.

There is only the New Order of Molly, but that can be awarded indefinitely after the first Molly.

#37

Posted by: Gregory Greenwood Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:32 PM

Congratulations Strange Gods and, of course, the fair lady Carlie.

#38

Posted by: Brownian, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:41 PM

There is only the New Order of Molly, but that can be awarded indefinitely after the first Molly.

Pfft. That Crackerjack prize? That went out with the Joy Division of Molly, Grandma.

#39

Posted by: Walton Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:49 PM

Congratulations to both winners. And, strange gods: if you're watching this thread, I should let you know that there is a reply waiting for you on another thread.

#40

Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:50 PM

Time for a pair who have long been on my main list, Feynmaniac and John Morales. And a relative newcomer who has been putting up some David Marjanović and Owlmirror (may both have their tentacle cluster collections grow) quality SIWOTI posts, Zetetic.

#41

Posted by: MAJeff, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:52 PM

If Walton wins, can I give mine back?

#42

Posted by: PZ Myers Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 5:58 PM

The sign in/register links below the comment box should be working properly now...somebody let me know if they're freaky.

#43

Posted by: gyeong-hwa Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:01 PM

Shorter Hyperon:
"I demand people to acknowledge my intelligence, despite my lack thereof."

Congrats to Carlie and SGBM

And for this months nomination, I say John Morales due to his being able to well refute the trolls that often come here.

#44

Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:03 PM

If Walton wins, can I give mine back?

Seconded.

#45

Posted by: Ichthyic Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:05 PM

ok, fine. for abandoning his AGW denialism, I'm gonna add Walton, too.

egads. that would be like giving Obama a Nobel Peace Prize, just because he isn't George Bush...

wait...

sorry, I find I have to actually speak out against that one. Even if Walton has shown capability of learning, I don't find reason to award a typically bad student an award, when there are so many good teachers around.

my nod goes to Aratina this month.

#46

Posted by: Walton Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:10 PM

If Walton wins, can I give mine back?

Seconded.

'Tis Himself, what did I do to merit that reaction? I know MAJeff and Ichthyic don't like me (for reasons which I don't fully understand, but I ascribe that to my inadequate social skills) but I didn't think you disliked me that much. I'm a little hurt.

#47

Posted by: MAJeff, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:11 PM

for reasons which I don't fully understand, but I ascribe that to my inadequate social skills

inadequate intellectual ability.

#48

Posted by: IaMoL Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:11 PM

Yay! Congrats to both. I'll also echo NoR's sentiments @ #40.

#49

Posted by: Ichthyic Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:11 PM

'Tis Himself, what did I do to merit that reaction?

*yawn*

puppy is whining again.

*looks around for rolled up newspaper*

#50

Posted by: Sili Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:14 PM

D'OH! D'OH! D'OH!

SEF for being our indispensable little log-in fairy!

#51

Posted by: Jadehawk, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:17 PM

'Tis Himself, what did I do to merit that reaction? I know MAJeff and Ichthyic don't like me (for reasons which I don't fully understand, but I ascribe that to my inadequate social skills) but I didn't think you disliked me that much. I'm a little hurt.
he's an economist, you're a libertarian. you say things that are insulting and offending to people. Just because I and a couple others are willing to believe that you have the potential to overcome this doesn't mean others don't have perfectly good reasons to hate your guts* for the things you say.


*not that I think you're being hated that passionately, but you certainly have earned and deserved the contempt with which you are greeted.

*shrug*

#52

Posted by: John Morales Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:19 PM

Take a bow, Carlie and strange gods before me.

I've not bookmarked any posts for last month (slacker that I am), so I'll nominate, in no particular order, three long-term commenters with whose names I'm familiar (and whose comments are always of high quality) as Molly-worthy:

Stephen Wells.
AJ Milne.
Feynmaniac.

#53

Posted by: Naked Bunny with a Whip Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:20 PM

Congrats to both!

#54

Posted by: MAJeff, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:21 PM

of course, congratulations to Carlie and Strange Gods....

#55

Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:29 PM

It's very simple, Walton. In spite of being shown how libertarianism is hateful in so many ways, you still cling to it.

I recognize your intelligence and your passion. However, your abysmal economic ignorance and your disdain for anyone other than your ideological masters (and don't pretend they don't exist) have put you beyond the pale.

I wouldn't mind if you were a conservative. I'm probably one of the more conservative regulars here. However, your avocation of what I consider to be a dangerous, authoritarian, hateful dogma, coupled with your threadjacking to push your credo, means that I despise you.

I don't dislike you. I suspect that you and I could sit down and have a pleasant conversation as long as we stayed off politics and economics. I just hate libertarianism and libertarians so much that I detest you.

#56

Posted by: Walton Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:33 PM

MAJeff @#47: Maybe I do have inadequate intellectual abilities. I don't know. It's very hard to judge one's own intelligence; as the Dunning-Kruger effect explains, stupid people tend to believe themselves to be more intelligent than they are.

But if I am stupid, is that a reason to hate me? Stupidity is not something I can help. And unlike many of the world's stupid people, I am actively trying to educate myself and expand my mind. I achieve this, in part, through a process of adversarial debate - which is what I'm doing here, and is evidently the source of your contempt towards me.

If I just wanted to be reinforced in the same ideas all the time, I wouldn't read anything except Cato Institute papers. I'm here because I like being challenged by people with different views, and I enjoy, and benefit from, being forced to defend my ideas in (often heated) debate. If you think I've demonstrated stupidity or inability to reason, then you're entitled to that view; I'm hurt by it, obviously, but I'll also learn from your criticism. But is that really a reason to hate me - given that I'm making a bona fide effort to expand the horizons of my worldview?

#57

Posted by: pixelfish Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:39 PM

Woot!

I nominate Aratina Cage as well.

Honorable mention: Desert Son and Lynna.

#58

Posted by: MAJeff, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:39 PM

But if I am stupid, is that a reason to hate me?

I'm psychic

#59

Posted by: Walton Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:42 PM

'Tis Himself @#54:

That's fair enough, I suppose. If you sincerely believe that libertarianism is an evil and oppressive doctrine, then it's natural that you should hold some degree of contempt towards someone, like me, who enthusiastically professes and promotes it.

However, I would point out that I'm not an extreme libertarian; I've grown more moderate over time on a variety of issues. I would now say that I support, inter alia: pollution control and environmental protection laws; anti-discrimination laws; social security and a basic level of welfare; public funding for education, scientific research and libraries; a strong military; and, in at least some measure, public funding of healthcare so as to make it accessible to all. I'm also undecided on the issue of flat vs. progressive income taxes; I used to be a staunch flat-taxer, but strange gods has put forward some fairly convincing arguments in defence of progressive taxation.

I don't object to many of Obama's current policies (except his trade protectionism), and, if I were an American, I might well be inclined to vote for him in 2012 (depending on which other candidates run). I suppose, really, I'm more of a moderate than a libertarian in many respects - except that I'm also an extreme supporter of civil liberties, and socially liberal on issues such as gay rights and secularism. I use "libertarian" because it's a convenient label that fits, not because I subscribe to every tenet of libertarian orthodoxy.

#60

Posted by: Feynmaniac Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:44 PM

Whew... for a while there I thought we weren't going to do the weekly thread that centers around Walton.

#61

Posted by: Ol'Greg Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:45 PM

I just realized I am an idiot.

The good news is it's not senile dementia, so that just leaves the crack.

#62

Posted by: MAJeff, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:48 PM

Drop the "why do you hate me" bullshit. I don't hate you. Ronald Reagan I hated. Jesse Helms I hated. . I don't care enough about you to hate you. You just annoy the shit out of me.

#63

Posted by: speedweasel Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:52 PM

speedweasel's sockpuppet: I vote speedweasel for 'best newcomer'. That guy is awesome. (ahem)

#64

Posted by: John Morales Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:53 PM

[meta]

Walton, you're threadjacking, as Feynmaniac and Ichthyic point out.

Can't you just be happy you've progressed from being a Survivor candidate to a Molly candidate (if contentious in both cases?).

Your defensiveness is problematic, and garners no sympathy; rather, it annoys.

#65

Posted by: strange gods before me Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 6:58 PM

So that we don't scare away any of the more timid voters, may I propose that this Walton-whipping be moved to the Impeach Obama? thread. There is already a perfectly good Walton-whipping going on over there. No need to duplicate the effort. If we consolidate the Pharyngulacracy, we can spend more taxes on welfare for Monday Metazoans.

#66

Posted by: Hyperon Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:01 PM

However, I would point out that I'm not an extreme libertarian; I've grown more moderate over time on a variety of issues. I would now say that I support, inter alia: pollution control and environmental protection laws; anti-discrimination laws; social security and a basic level of welfare; public funding for education, scientific research and libraries; a strong military; and, in at least some measure, public funding of healthcare so as to make it accessible to all.
What's the point in calling yourself a libertarian if you support all this? You are clearly not a libertarian as they are conventionally understood. Why not just accept that you're not a libertarian, but someone with some libertarian ideas?

#67

Posted by: 'Tis Himself, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:30 PM

I apologize to all and sundry (except that ass Hyperon) for my threadjacking. Since I've already voted, I'll leave this thread.

#68

Posted by: Pygmy Loris Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:32 PM

Congrats to Carlie and sgbm!

I'm nominating Alex Deam and Aratina.

#69

Posted by: truebutnotuseful Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:32 PM

Congrats to Carlie and sgbm. I was actually going to nominate sgbm for his/her excellent posts on the abortion thread awhile back, but I am too late!

My vote this month is for Stephen Wells, primarily for his elegant Libertarian smackdown.

#70

Posted by: Janine, She Wolf Of Pharyngula, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:39 PM

Congratulations to Carlie and Strange Gods Before me.

As for votes, I give to Aquaria. The other is for a person who is some seemingly ever present that it seems that he is not noticed, Glen Davidson.

As always, I feel guilty about not naming others who make this blog such a pleasure for me.

#71

Posted by: SC OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:44 PM

...that it seems that he is not noticed, Glen Davidson.

Not since March of 2008. :)

#72

Posted by: nanu-nanu.myopenid.com Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:51 PM

aratina cage

#73

Posted by: Lynna, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:54 PM

The sign in/register links below the comment box should be working properly now...somebody let me know if they're freaky.
PZ, I was forced to use the link below the comment box for Typepad today, and hooray! It worked perfectly. Thanks.

Congrats to Carlie, who has posted some freakin' awesome comments. I had her on my list to vote for her. I'll have to move down my list.

SGBM, mucho congrats to you as well. When I see your handle in the Recent Comments list, I know it's worth a look. I particularly enjoyed your takedown of Jeff H., most recent YEC.

I vote for AJ Milne and Feynmanic. Aratina and Alan B. for next-in-line.

#74

Posted by: Wowbagger, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 7:58 PM

If Walton wins, can I give mine back?

Not me. I'm currently getting a huge bling-style 'OM' medallion commissioned so I can wear it around my neck at the AGC (or, as I think we should call it, 'The AGC with PZ and RD') in Melbourne next year :)

#75

Posted by: Janine, She Wolf Of Pharyngula, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 8:00 PM

Not since March of 2008. :)

Oh, fuckin A! I normally check to make sure of these things.
I change that vote to Alan B. I have just checked, he does not have an OM.

#76

Posted by: Kel, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 8:00 PM

Congrats to both, both really deserving.

Speaking of deserving, Feynmaniac is long long long overdue.

#77

Posted by: Rorschach Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 8:37 PM

Congrats to Carlie, about time and well deserved !!

For next month,

Feynmaniac
Aratina Cage


#78

Posted by: Kel, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 8:40 PM

If Walton wins, can I give mine back?
Seconded.
It's tempting, but I did a lot to earn mine so I'm keeping it.
Not me. I'm currently getting a huge bling-style 'OM' medallion commissioned so I can wear it around my neck at the AGC (or, as I think we should call it, 'The AGC with PZ and RD') in Melbourne next year :)
lol
#79

Posted by: Kel, OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 8:48 PM

John Morales and Rorschach really need to put in the hard yards over the next few months so when March comes around there will be at least 5 OMs present in Melbourne.

#80

Posted by: Aquaria Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 8:56 PM

Once again, I nominate Desert Son.

When Walton's growing pains stop being so excruciating to watch, I'll nominate him. He's a bright guy, if a little misguided, and he tries. I give him that.

#81

Posted by: Carlie Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 8:56 PM

Oh, wow! I just got done posting on facebook that this was a pretty perfect day*, and now it's at least ten times even better. I feel quite unworthy, but will try to keep refining my commenting skillz. Thanks, everybody.
This month I'll vote for Desert Son, who is always excellent, and also throw in for John Morales, who has deserved one for quite some time.

*I took my son to see Science Friday broadcast from Cornell today, and we were right up in the second row, and it was loads of fun.

#82

Posted by: Rorschach Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 8:57 PM

John Morales and Rorschach really need to put in the hard yards over the next few months

LOL
Well, there's already 3 with you, Wowbagger and the BoS, thats plenty, and I'm sure John will get his one day !

And I wouldn't want it anyway, so many better posters around here...:-)

#83

Posted by: speedweasel Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 9:05 PM

Am I too late to coin the phrase "Apology Troll"?

I'm not sure I can stand to listen to one more apology from Walton. Here's a tip, "dont apologize, just dont do it* in the first place!"

*Whatever 'it' happens to be at the time.

#84

Posted by: speedweasel Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 9:07 PM

p.s. Your remorse is noted.

#85

Posted by: SC OM Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 9:12 PM

p.s. Your remorse is noted.

And tiresome. :)

#86

Posted by: speedweasel Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 9:23 PM

pss. Forgot to vote. Chalk my vote up for A.Noyd. That guy always cuts straight to the core of the argument, shreds obfuscatory bullshit and leaves his opponent's argument naked and shivering, exposed in the cold light of rationality. Feynman would be proud.

#87

Posted by: Desert Son Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 9:48 PM

Hurrah for Carlie and strange gods before me! Great news! Congratulations!

My votes for the latest edition, for posts near and far, hither and yon, and of all-around top quality:

Feynmaniac
AJ Milne
John Morales

Thanks to all for the kind words and votes, especially since I feel my recent schedule has made it harder for me to find time to visit and post as much as I would have liked.

In the meantime, I am to bed with a nearby cup of hot and honeyed tea, a glass of cool water, and some NyQuil(tm); I feel an upper respiratory illness coming on, which has left me tired and grumpy after a long day. Bleargh. Bleargh, I say!

Congratulations again to the winners.

No kings,

Robert

#88

Posted by: Ichthyic Author Profile Page | October 9, 2009 10:00 PM

SEF for being our indispensable little log-in fairy!

ooh, yeah. that.

#89

Posted by: eddie Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 12:25 AM

I'd like to add my congratulations to Carlie and SGBM, and to add my surprise to those wondering why AJ Milne hasn't got a molly already.
But for September, to me the thread o' the month was the death penalty debate, so my nom goes to Celtic_Evolution.

#90

Posted by: JeffreyD Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 12:26 AM

I have had very little time to read lately, but once again nominate Feynmaniac. He is among the few commentators I always read, (others being SC, Janine, Rev BDC, Carlie, Jadehawk, ' Tis, Cuttlefish, Knockgroats, Brownian, Patricia) even if the thread does not hold my interest.

Congrats to small gods and Carlie.

Walton, you are whinging, stop whinging. If someone hates you, either ignore and move on or learn and change. I doubt you are hated so much as disliked on an intense and visceral level. I have wanted to strangle you myself at times, but still willing to drink with you.

Ciao y'all

#91

Posted by: eddie Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 12:29 AM

Oh and another L-word thread-jacking should remind us why not to nom the W-word.

#92

Posted by: Rey Fox Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 12:48 AM

Matt Penfold, dammit.

#93

Posted by: mythusmage Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 2:04 AM

Being a trend follower, I'm voting for Feynmaniac and AJ Milne.

On the matter of repetitious apologies below you will find my policy...

I said, when I apologized, that I was sorry. Should that ever change I'll be sure to let you know.
#94

Posted by: Ctenotrish Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 2:06 AM

Feynmaniac, if you please, for consistently good comments, and occasional guffaw-inducing, biting wit. Thank you!

#95

Posted by: 386sx Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 7:18 AM

I would like to nominate Alan B please.

And I quote, although I am not familiar with the dialect:

"Win by 9 wickets with 9 overs to go."

"257 all out with 14 balls wasted."

I don't know what they mean but they look like pretty good quotes.

#96

Posted by: Walton Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 7:37 AM

What's the point in calling yourself a libertarian if you support all this? You are clearly not a libertarian as they are conventionally understood. Why not just accept that you're not a libertarian, but someone with some libertarian ideas?

Maybe so, but then I don't have a convenient political label any more. I'm perhaps a "conservative" in the Burkean sense (and I am an active supporter of the UK Conservative Party), but the term "conservative" has too many connotations - particularly for American readers - with which I disagree. I'm also a "liberal" in the broad, general sense, in that I believe in individual rights, limited government and the rule of law - but, again, the term "liberal" has too many different meanings and connotations to be a useful epithet for me. And calling myself a "liberal conservative", while accurate, would be a little bit confusing. If anyone can suggest a better term which I could use to describe my political views, I'll gladly accept it.

#97

Posted by: Knockgoats Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 7:56 AM

Many congrats to SGBM and Carlie! Very well-deserved. For September, as usual there are a number of worthy candidates: Feynmaniac, aratina cage, John Morales, Aquaria, Lynna, Matt Penfold.

Most promising newcomer: Gregory Greenwood.

Honourable mention: Walton. For sheer persistence in the face of insults (many of them from me), and being able to change his mind. Still tends to blurt out right-wing ideology without thinking, then retract when challenged. Walton: try imagining the counter-arguments before posting!

Did we decide on a name for the anti-Molly? The Ham, perhaps? Whatever, there can be no doubt about September's winner - step forward Hyperon!

#98

Posted by: JPS, FCD Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 8:02 AM

Molly votes:

(i) Desert Son. He's made any number of Molly-worthy comments during the sixteen months I've been reading Pharyngula; in particular, his comment at 3:46 pm on 30 September motivated me to grit my teeth and register so I'd be able to do this.

(ii) Feynmaniac. His comments are always apt and thought-provoking, but I'm really voting for him because he's a fellow math snob :-).

And, congratulations to Carlie and SGBM. Carry on, won't you?

#99

Posted by: JPS, FCD Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 8:06 AM

Ooops! Forgot to add that Robert's comment was on the "Texas has legalized murder" thread. I need more caffeine . . .

#100

Posted by: JeffreyD Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 8:40 AM

Walton at #96 - In reply to, "What's the point in calling yourself a libertarian if you support all this?", you wrote, "Maybe so, but then I don't have a convenient political label any more." Try this, drop the labels. Stop trying to fit yourself into a box. Try being independent and not having to believe or disbelieve due to an ideology. Take each plank of any platform and see what you think about it in and of it itself. Some of your thoughts may turn out liberal, maybe conservative. Trying to reconcile complex issues into a single, named framework is intellectually lazy, no matter which end of the political spectrum you mostly occupy. Having a "position" which requires a knee jerk response to an issue is not being honest. You can support a strong military and despise and abhor war. You can support the right to abortion while being concerned about whether abortions cheapen life and damage the morale of society (and in this case, maybe you will then decide to support sex education and safe and effective birth control research). Note, not saying these positions are yours, just examples. Bottom line, you can be what your brain and education allow you to be, an independent human, unlabeled and proud.

Off the early morning soapbox now, having trouble sleeping and rather short tempered. Ciao y'all

#101

Posted by: John Phillips, FCD Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 11:55 AM

Congrats both.

Feynmaniac and/or Desert Sun, why haven't they got one each already. Though saying that I could probably add a couple more to the list if I really thought about it.

#102

Posted by: Ring Tailed Lemurian Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 2:07 PM

#44 'Tis Himself

"If Walton wins, can I give mine back?
Seconded."

#51 Jadehawk (to Walton re 'Tis Hiself) "he's an economist, you're a libertarian. you say things that are insulting and offending to people."

@ Walton, don't worry, IF you ever get a Molly you can decline it BECAUSE 'Tis Himself has one.

In the (now unavailable) "Squid's Fist" thread (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/08/i_would_like_ten_bottles_pleas.phpN) he posted a comment which included this oh-so-amusing simile ~
"a bouquet like an aborigine's armpit".

I posted an angry comment at the time, no one replied or commented, and I mentioned it again when he got the last Molly (again no response, or denial, or excuse/explanation). So I'll ask the question again ~ Is that sort of "insulting and offensive" language really worth rewarding?

#103

Posted by: SC OM Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 2:29 PM

Walton: try imagining the counter-arguments before posting!

I imagine this will also be a habit of use in the legal profession.

:)

#104

Posted by: Carlie Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 10:36 PM

I think the main issue that Walton has is that he hasn't experienced enough different segments of society - he hasn't connected his thoughts on government with how they would actually play out and affect real people in the world, nor how current political stances have already affected people. You tend to see problems and solutions differently once you've looked through the eyes of people who are struggling in the midst of those realities.

And I just re-read over my comment and realized that although I was thinking "and yea for strange gods!" somehow it didn't come out on screen, so a terribly belated congratulations to strange gods before me.

#105

Posted by: Alex Deam Author Profile Page | October 10, 2009 11:11 PM

Congrats to Carlie and Strange gods! About time!

My nominations go to Pygmy Loris (not because Pygmy nominated me, but for putting up with a lot of crap in the socialism thread) and a_ray_in_dilbert_space.

Maybe so, but then I don't have a convenient political label any more. I'm perhaps a "conservative" in the Burkean sense (and I am an active supporter of the UK Conservative Party), but the term "conservative" has too many connotations - particularly for American readers - with which I disagree. I'm also a "liberal" in the broad, general sense, in that I believe in individual rights, limited government and the rule of law - but, again, the term "liberal" has too many different meanings and connotations to be a useful epithet for me. And calling myself a "liberal conservative", while accurate, would be a little bit confusing. If anyone can suggest a better term which I could use to describe my political views, I'll gladly accept it.

Why not just call yourself "progressive"? That's what all the real Tories are doing these days.

#106

Posted by: JohnScanlonFCD Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 3:19 AM

RT Lemurian expressed concern re.

this oh-so-amusing simile ~ "a bouquet like an aborigine's armpit".
... Is that sort of "insulting and offensive" language really worth rewarding?

First, for most of those people familiar with most or all of the Monty Python canon, any recognisable reference gets a pass. Quoting the entire text of a skit, which is all that 'Tis did, is merely providing a public service, in case anyone wants to recall sensory colour (Eric Idle's delivery is burned into my cortex) or check the details (like the spelling of Wagga Wagga, my dad's birthplace incidentally). Oh and btw, the thread is not 'unavailable', but the link might not work with the 'N' you included at the end of the url.

Second, in original context, the quote referred to an early 1970's British parody of racist attitudes in Australia. As quite a young person, I lived in both countries around that time, and I think the skewering of casual racism by high-profile comedy performers was a very good thing that contributed to significant improvement in attitudes over subsequent decades. That's actually a good thing, you know?

Third, I doubt whether the Python team had relevant direct experience, but the 'insulting and offensive' phrase makes me think of something pretty strong and peppery, but potentially drinkable. Not rancid sweat, but skin kept dry and clean with dust and woodsmoke.

Am I allowed to say something rude?

Who cares? Go screw yourself.

Nice.

Oh, and OM noms:

strange gods before me
aratina cage
SEF

#107

Posted by: Alan B Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 6:47 AM

Congratulations to:

Carlie and strange gods before me.

My nominations: Josh & John Morales

Although there are so many that it is invidious to choose 2 and miss out the rest!

#108

Posted by: Dania Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 7:06 AM

Alan B,

Josh already has his very well-deserved Molly. But I second your nomination of John Morales, and add Feynmaniac to the list. They're both long overdue.


And, of course, my congratulations to the winners, Carlie and strange gods.

#109

Posted by: Alan B Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 7:10 AM

#107

Thread "Alan B"

Alan B Yes Thread?

"You didn't check the list of previous Mollys did you?"

mummbles

"Did you?"

no ...

"Louder"

No I didn't

"You are an idiot, aren't you?"

mummbles ...

"Aren't you?"

mummbles

"Admit it, Alan B, you are an idiot, aren't you?"

yes I am, Thread

"Good!"

but I still like Josh ...

"But he got it earlier this year - were you asleep or did you forget your safety helmet in that quarry?"

No Thread, I was reading some serious scientifc papers by Snelling and Oard and Woodmorappe and Austin and ...

"And it damaged your mind. Don't say you weren't warned."

I know, I was warned. I should have listened. Is there any cure, Thread?

"Only to read more of Pharyngula and seek wisdom at the feet of the Great and the Good - the OMs of previous years."

I will, Thread. I will.


"Be warned, gentle readers we may have been able to help this one but ..."

#110

Posted by: Dania Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 7:30 AM

but I still like Josh ...

And understandably so.

So, do you think it's time to award him an Order of the Molly (with Calamari Cluster)?

#111

Posted by: 386sx Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 8:02 AM

I would like to nominate Taylor Swift and Megan Fox! Thanks thread!! Bye thread!!

#112

Posted by: Knockgoats Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 8:35 AM

SC@103,
Indeed! Although Walton has said he doesn't want to become a lawyer, but a commentator of some kind - in which profession, shooting your mouth off without thinking is possibly a plus.

#113

Posted by: Sili Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 1:02 PM

Alan B

#114

Posted by: Smoggy Batzrubble OM4Jesus Author Profile Page | October 11, 2009 10:48 PM

Praise the Lord! Mollies!

I return from secret missionary impossible work for Jesus to discover that Sister Carlie and Brother strange gods before me have been mollified. Even better, Walton has had a few nominations and this has earned him a good public kicking, which will do wonders for his ego (every child craves negative attention) and for his persecution complex (which we all know is the major defensive weapon in every Libertarian's armory).

Congratulations to our new Mollies. You have both earned your free sample of BIBLE™. Floyd Rubber also says you are the lucky recipients of one free Christian fetish session, redeemable by emailing FunwithFloyd@Fetishesforthefaithful.com.

This month I have 666 commentators on my Molly prayer list--the top three of whom are: John Morales, Feynmaniac and Lynna (who gives me a buzz because she still hasn't returned Floyd's vibrating lingerie).

Yours prayerfully
Smoggy
Missionary to the Atheists

PS Jesus has agreed that to bump up my conversion figures, anyone who has been Mollified because I prayed for them will be considered a convert. He has also agree to allow me to make retrospective conversions. This means that if you are already a Molly you will one day be in Heaven with Jesus, and when this occurs you don't have to thank me, just buy me a fucking drink.

#115

Posted by: InfuriatedSciTeacher Author Profile Page | October 12, 2009 7:15 AM

Desert Son, particularly for being (*what appeared) to be the only one to have a reasonable discussion with Hyperon in the thread that became "inner cities/Hyperon's a racist".

#116

Posted by: bastion of sass Author Profile Page | October 12, 2009 7:24 PM

Oh,wow. My first ever Molly nomination. Thanks, Sili. I'm thrilled and honored.

This month I cast my vote, once again, for AJ Milne and Desert Son, both of which are long over-due.

Congrats to Carlie and strange gods.

#117

Posted by: SC OM Author Profile Page | October 12, 2009 7:30 PM

If it makes you feel any better, Alan B, look who John Scanlon voted for @ #106.

:)

#118

Posted by: Sili Author Profile Page | October 12, 2009 7:40 PM

Really? I find that hard to believe. Sorry for retracting it then. (And sorry for fscking up the link to mokele.

Next month, I'm sure. Even though I've already made a note for PalMD.

#119

Posted by: strange gods before me, OM Author Profile Page | October 12, 2009 7:40 PM

Well, thanks again to everyone. And doubly to John Scanlon. :)

#120

Posted by: SC OM Author Profile Page | October 12, 2009 7:51 PM

Even though I've already made a note for PalMD.

You know he has a blog here, right?

#121

Posted by: Alan B Author Profile Page | October 13, 2009 6:04 PM

#117 SC OM said:

If it makes you feel any better, Alan B, look who John Scanlon voted for @ #106.

John Scanlon got 2 oo 3 right. I got 1 oo 2 right - the wrong one being the guy I voted for at the time!!

Nice try, SC. I said I'd listen to the words of wisdom from OMs. So, I've come out my sulking corner ...

#122

Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM Author Profile Page | October 13, 2009 6:39 PM

*gives Alan B tankard of grog*
To Josh! May his tentacle/calamari cluster collection grow.
*sips libation*
And may your teaching of geology continue!
*sips libation*

#123

Posted by: Sanction Author Profile Page | October 14, 2009 1:17 PM

My vote goes to to Desert Son for his consistently thoughtful and calm comments. The Molly is overdue.

#125

Posted by: Rorschach Author Profile Page | October 14, 2009 7:29 PM

Alan B deserves some special recognition for his ongoing efforts on the everlasting thread !

#127

Posted by: Lynna, OM Author Profile Page | October 14, 2009 7:49 PM

Smoggy @114

John Morales, Feynmaniac and Lynna (who gives me a buzz because she still hasn't returned Floyd's vibrating lingerie).

The vibrating lingerie is no longer in pristine condition. I'm so sorry (whoa! no I'm not, no I'm not, no I'm not ... not sorry ... not ... one ... little ... bit. Whew!). Floyd might want to join me a business venture to sell Patriotic Vibration Enhancements for mormon jesus jammies. The Lord knows they need it.

Alan B., I warned you about the YECology project. You may need rest, recreation, and rehab.

#128

Posted by: Smoggy Batzrubble OM4Jesus Author Profile Page | October 14, 2009 7:56 PM

I agree, plaudits to Alan B. (And he likes rugby).

And don't fret about the vibrating threads Luscious Lynna, see how long you can run them for. Floyd agrees that there's always a market for buzzing Patriotism.

SB

#129

Posted by: Nerd of Redhead, OM Author Profile Page | October 14, 2009 8:17 PM

Alan B deserves some special recognition for his ongoing efforts on the everlasting thread !
Like what, put him on a list for honours? *rustles papers* Too late, can't add him to the list. ;)
#130

Posted by: David Marjanović Author Profile Page | October 15, 2009 11:20 AM

I tried to vote by e-mail for Feynmaniac and AJ Milne. Now that I've registered, it doesn't matter anymore if that e-mail arrived…

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