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02.02.10

There’s No Service Like Wire Service, Vol. 3

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Readers Mike Hersh, Paul Wiederecht, and Larry Wiederecht contributed some excellent wire service photos last week and pointed me toward some good sources for more of them, so I recently spent the better part of a day poring over nearly 7,000 images, culling out dozens of photos that I’ll be sharing with you over the course of several blog entries.

Some of these photos are simply interesting, but others are of major uni-historical significance. Those are the ones we’ll be looking at today. Here’s the scoop:

• As you all know by now, I’m mildly obsessed with documenting the evolution of the batting helmet earflap. Earl Battey appears to have worn the first improvised flap, in 1961, but when was the first premolded flap made available? The answer appears to be 1964. I had always heard that Tony Gonzalez was among the first flap-clad hitters, but this is the first evidence of it I’ve ever seen. But if real flaps were available in 1964, why was Jimmie Hall wearing a makeshift flap in the 1965 World Series? Based on a conversation I had two weekends ago with former Twins equipment manager Ray Crump, the answer may lie in a legal dispute between ABC Helmet and Wilson, who were both trying to bring a flapped lid to market around that time. The litigation between the two companies may have resulted in the premolded flaps being unavailable for a period of time. (As an aside: If you look at again at the Gonzalez photo, you’ll see that the helmet he’s holding has a raised logo appliqué, similar to what the Cubs still use today.)

• But wait — maybe this was the first earflap! Full details in the caption. We reeeeaaaalllly need to find a photo of Hayes wearing this contraption in a game.

• In still more head-protection news, it appears that the Reds required their players to wear plastic liners in 1954. Unfortunately, the caption doesn’t specify whether the liners were required only for batting or if they also had to be worn in the field. (Remember, the Pirates once required their players to wear helmets in the field, so a liner requirement isn’t so far-fetched.) Interestingly, the player in this photo, Roy McMillan, is the same guy who was shown examining that air-conditioned cap four years later.

• Last week I mentioned that reader Jim Lonetti wore this unusual Twins jersey to the Uni Watch party in Minneapolis. He pointed out the atypical version of the team’s script and said it the jersey was a salesman’s sample. But dig this: That script was apparently supposed to be used on the team’s inaugural uniform! That unveiling photo is from 1/16/61, but by the start of the season they’d already switched to their more familiar script (or at least I think they had — does anyone have any Opening Day photos from that season?). Other questions worth investigating: Which script did they wear for spring training that year? And why was the old script resuscitated for a sample jersey in the powder blue era?

• The Twins’ logo apparently underwent some last-minute changes too. Here’s the official logo unveiling shot. But instead of the two characters wearing the familiar “M” and “STP” (for Minneapolis and St. Paul, duh), they’re both wearing an “MT” mark that I’ve never seen before. Does anyone know if that “MT” logo and/or this version of the handshake logo were ever used in any official capacity?

• We all know the 1960 White Sox were the first team to use NOBs. And now we know when they unveiled them: January 22nd of that year.

• Did you know all of the WFL’s logos and uniforms were designed by one guy, or that this marked the first time a single designer created a league’s entire graphics program? I didn’t, but hey, live and learn. I hadn’t heard of the designer, Ray Engle, but he apparently still has his own design firm (although he must be fairly old by now). Unsurprisingly, there’s no mention of his WFL work on his web site. Gonna try to contact him for an interview later this week.

I’m genuinely excited over these photos, which I think represent as much serious historical documentation as we’ve ever featured in one day here on the site. And trust me, this is just the tip of the wire service iceberg.

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The Proctor Files, Continued: I mentioned in yesterday’s Ticker that I failed to win this catalog but was nonetheless intrigued by the basketball shorts at top-left on this page. That prompted a characteristically thorough reply from sporting goods historian Terry Proctor, as follows:

Even I don’t remember that basketball pant style from Empire. But I am very familiar with the company. Empire was one of the small cut-and-sew companies that used to populate the sporting goods industry. Empire Sporting Goods Mfg. Co., Post Mfg. Co., and Felco Athletic Wear, all located in NYC, were the “Big Three” of this type of company.

Empire was run by the Rauch brothers, Frank and Nate, I believe. Frank Rauch was their Sales Manager and Sales Representative for New York State. Unfortunately, Frank stayed too long at the dance. Towards the end of his career in the late 1970s, he would come into Rochester, set up in a local hotel, and call the dealers to come in to see his wares. You went only as a courtesy to Frank, who was then in his 70s. It was a scene right out of “Death of a Salesman” with Frank as Willy Loman.

In those days the softball and baseball teams wanted the flashy styles from SandKnit and Rawlings, not Empire’s “stuck-in-1947″ styles made out of rayon/durene or nylon/durene. Unfortunately, none of us had the heart to tell him the truth that his products were out of date, both material- and style-wise. We would just dance around the issue and end up buying some of his nylon pitcher’s windbreaker jackets or Little League socks. It was sad to see.

But Empire did have one last hurrah. Somehow they got the contract to make all of the baseball uniforms and jackets for Robert Redford’s movie “The Natural,” which was filmed in Buffalo. Empire actually did a pretty good job with the film. The uniforms weren’t all historically correct, but they were far superior to what appeared in most other sports movies. Empire had closed their doors by the early 1990s.

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Jags jersey box giveaway, finally: Okay, let’s recap: Last spring, around the time that the Lions and Jags unveiled their new uniforms, I acquired this box. Inside was a new Lions jersey — a Calvin Johnson jersey, to be exact — along with assorted inspirational messages (some of them admittedly of dubious hype value).

I have also acquired a similar box for the Jaguars. It’s unopened — still in its original shrinkwrap, in fact — so I don’t know whose jersey is inside, what size it is, or anything else. (Yes, Maurice Jones-Drew is shown on the box, but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything; the Lions box showed Kevin Smith.)

I’m going to give that box away to one lucky reader. To be eligible to win, send a blank e-mail with your name in the subject line to this address by this Friday, February 5th, 7pm eastern. Only one entry per person (remember, Uni Watch Membership Program enrollees can no longer send bonus entries). I’ll announce the winner on Monday.

Uni Watch News Ticker: A Swiss basketball player has been told not to wear her Muslim headscarf while playing (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Lots of Redskins uni discussion here (with thanks to Nick Church). … Lots of interesting soccer-related stuff for sale, including lots of classic old jerseys, some retro-style tees,and Erol Yasin’s 1980 NASL championship ring (good finds by John Leftwich and Ed Dailey). … The Padres continue to leverage the military/patriotism thing to annoying lengths, this time with a new logo that’ll be used for military promotions. As you know, San Diego is the only city in America with a military base (unlike, say, Brooklyn). … The good folks at SoccerPro.com are running a contest with a fun prize: a free jersey per year for 10 years. Details here. … Here’s a new one: Xavier’s basketball shorts have been modified so the players can keep little play-calling cards in their waistbands (fascinating find by Ryan Dempsey). … The Notre Dame hockey team wore special jerseys to benefit the Wounded Warrior Project on Saturday (with thanks to Erik Bootsma). … Here’s a place I never expected to see the Expos’ logo: on a Dunny. Josh Brotheim says it’s because the toy’s designer, KidRobot, is from Montreal. … Zac Neubauer found some cool old photos in the Winnipeg Tribune’s photo archive, including a pee-wee football team that wore hockey-style jerseys (was this common in Canada years ago?), the Winnipeg Goldeyes’ new baseball jerseys fresh off the factory line, and an early women’s hockey team. … “I was watching the KHL All–Star game on ESPN 360 and a guy on Team ‘Jagr’ didn’t have a number on his jersey,” says Jay Danbom. “Barry Melrose called it a practice jersey. They added that it was a possible late addition to the roster and gave the guy’s name but I don’t remember it.” … Mako Mameli has sent me some 1990 NFL screen shots showing that the Raiders and Vikings were wearing American flag decals for Desert Storm as far back as Week 16. Other notable data from that game: (1) On the logo creep front, the Vikings wore had the Wilson logo on the left sleeve but not the right (was that really the protocol at that time?), and Herschel Walker didn’t have it at all. And (2) Not often you see an NFL player with an acute accent on his NOB! … Mako also contributed a bunch of other 1990 screen shots, including views of the Dolphins’ Joe Robbie memorial armband and 25th-anniversary helmet decal; some inconsistent NOB stylings by the Raiders; Torin Dorn exhibiting a wristband fetish; and Rodney Peete with no sleeve stripes (shocking!). … Two interesting Raiders-related items were recently posted on the Chris Creamer board: a prototype alternate jersey (seems fishy to me, but someone paid $861 for it) and an extremely overpriced but nonetheless gorgeous Jim Otto sideline jacket. … As we all know, the Pro Bowl jerseys have the player’s team logo on the shoulder area. But the Browns don’t have a logo, so Browns players just have a Browns helmet icon on their Pro Bowl jerseys. But here’s the beauty part: J.C. Parks notes that the helmet icon on the jerseys has a white facemask, while the Browns’ real helmets have gray facemasks. Brilliant, brilliant catch. … Good article about Cavs merchandising (with thanks to Brian Jones). … Evgeni Malkin was one of several Pens players who were missing their collar laces last night (as noted by Stu Uhl). … Latest bit of greatness from the mighty Fleer Sticker Project: a set of Sunbeam Bread cloth patches and display albums. … Reprinted from last night’s comments: Tons of old USFL games available on DVD, for cheap, here.



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Definitely did not know about the WFL logos all being designed by the same guy. I wonder if that had anything to do with why they used the same template for all the uniforms.

I’d love to know the full story behind that Raiders jersey as well. I’d totally wear that.

Evgeni Malkin was one of several Pens players who were missing their collar laces last night (as noted by Stu Uhl).

If you’re wearing hockey sweaters with collar laces, you gotta wear the laces. I’m just sayin’.

I was shopping at TJ Maxx and Marshall’s last week (don’t laugh) and there were racks full of Jones-Drew and Johnson jerseys. At least 15 of each. I’m guessing they were mass-produced for this campaign? I’m glad I finally have an explanation for that.

Paul,
OK, as an old Army guy, who started his 20 yrs of service by taking the oath at Ft. Hamilton back in ‘82. Comparing Naval Base San Diego and Ft. Hamilton is just silly. The Navy, and the base, Are a huge part San Diego’s life blood. I would bet that 1/8th of the NYC population think Ft Hamilton is just a park in Brooklyn.

On a nostalgic note. I was a walk-in at the “Booth” (Times Square Recruiting Station)

Paul:

Actually there are some examples of the WFL design work on the Engle site:

http://www.englegrou...

I’m digging the new Padres military-inspired logo.

Also… this is the second time in 2 days that we’ve pointed out inconsistent NOBs from 1990 with 2 players with the same last name and only one having an initial. What were the league rules on that at the time? Is it possible the rule was that the most experienced player doesn’t need a first initial while the less experienced did?

In the Raiders pic, it’s Tim Brown – no initial – 3rd year with the team and Ron Brown, first year with the team.

Yesterday’s shot with the Bills has John Davis – no initial, and Kenneth Davis..both in their 2nd year with the team, but K.Davis wasn’t a starter – John Davis was.

The guy auctioning the Jim Otto sideline coat is delusional. Would the Football HOF pay that much? I HFD it.

dammit

What’s the deal with Luis Aparicio wearing #33? He usually wore #11.

The first earflap is a incredibly depressing story. Jackie Hayes began to lose his sight in his right eye during the 1940 season(you can see that it looks bad in the picture – whatever operation they were talking about was unsuccessful). Eventually, he also lost the sight in his left eye as well. Hayes ended up back home in alabama as a tax collector.

LI Phil said:

dammit

any relation?

LI Phil said:

dammit

On a related note:
“PETA Says Robot Should Sub For Groundhog” http://www.npr.org/t...

RE: Cribbs
I’m not as sharp as some, but from looking at the pics at nfl.com, that facemask sure looks grey to me. And the replicas on the cleveland browns team shop definitely have grey facemasks.

FormerDirtDart said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

On a related note:
“PETA Says Robot Should Sub For Groundhog” http://www.npr.org/t...

As if we needed more reasons to not take PETA seriously and generally consider them to be a bunch of nutjobs…

The gentleman holding the Winnipeg jersey bears quite a resemblance to Mr. Mooney from The Lucy Show, no? http://images4.wikia...

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Juke Early said:

The guy auctioning the Jim Otto sideline coat is delusional. Would the Football HOF pay that much? I HFD it.

Doesn’t the HoF only take donations?

LI Phil said:

dammit

What’s winter?

Hott Rodd said:

RE: Cribbs
I’m not as sharp as some, but from looking at the pics at nfl.com, that facemask sure looks grey to me. And the replicas on the cleveland browns team shop definitely have grey facemasks.

They’re referending the decal, not the actual helmet

aflfan said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Just be glad they haven’t overcommercialized it like every other holiday. Imagine stores filled with chocolate groundhogs and plastic inflatable groundhog homes to put in your yard.

A Jim Otto sideline jacket or a nice house? That’s a tough one.

Juke Early said:

The guy auctioning the Jim Otto sideline coat is delusional. Would the Football HOF pay that much? I HFD it.

Sort of endearing that this guy thinks so highly of his “close friend” Jim Otto, and what his sideline coat should fetch. Or, is this what Jim told him to start the auction at? “Here ya go kid, you should probably get an easy half mill for it.”

Joe Klecko said:

Hott Rodd said:

RE: Cribbs
I’m not as sharp as some, but from looking at the pics at nfl.com, that facemask sure looks grey to me. And the replicas on the cleveland browns team shop definitely have grey facemasks.

They’re referending the decal, not the actual helmet

I am too.

I gotta say that I think the WFL logos that Engle created look really sharp. I would that Jacksonville Sharks logo over San Jose’s logo any day. It is hard to believe that they were created back in ‘74.

Matt D. said:

What’s the deal with Luis Aparicio wearing #33? He usually wore #11.

The first earflap is a incredibly depressing story. Jackie Hayes began to lose his sight in his right eye during the 1940 season(you can see that it looks bad in the picture – whatever operation they were talking about was unsuccessful). Eventually, he also lost the sight in his left eye as well. Hayes ended up back home in alabama as a tax collector.

I recall seeing footage of Hayes taking BP in George Case’s home movies. I don’t recall whether he was wearing the flap while doing so. Case’s footage, some of which was used by HBO in its When It Was a Game series, is available here. If anyone has it, can they confirm?

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

http://blogs.orlando...

“…including a pee-wee football team that wore hockey-style jerseys (was this common in Canada years ago?)…”

Hockey jerseys were probably a dime a dozen up in winnepeg, maybe football jerseys harder to come by back then?

The Jeff said:

Imagine stores filled with chocolate groundhogs and plastic inflatable groundhog homes to put in your yard.

every day

Can anybody explain the Duke jerseys worn on Saturday at Georgetown. I don’t watch much basketball, but I know that Duke wears those wretched black unis. I had not, however, seen the design on the back. Can anybody give any info?

Tom V said:

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

http://blogs.orlando...

If Chrysler was thinking for a second, they would tell Lake Mary High to put up a Chrysler billboard at their athletic facilities for free, and call it even

Tom V said:

“…including a pee-wee football team that wore hockey-style jerseys (was this common in Canada years ago?)…”

Hockey jerseys were probably a dime a dozen up in winnepeg, maybe football jerseys harder to come by back then?

I played on a volleyball team in Jr. high that wore the school’s old footbal jerseys.(school no longer offered football.)

Stock said:

Can anybody explain the Duke jerseys worn on Saturday at Georgetown. I don’t watch much basketball, but I know that Duke wears those wretched black unis. I had not, however, seen the design on the back. Can anybody give any info?

And what about this Duke uni?

http://farm5.static....

FormerDirtDart said:

Tom V said:

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

http://blogs.orlando...

If Chrysler was thinking for a second, they would tell Lake Mary High to put up a Chrysler billboard at their athletic facilities for free, and call it even

You know, thats not such a crazy idea at all for the Chrysler folks. Put up a big sign in the gym, the kids in the school will realize “hey, we both use the same logos.” (HS kids aren’t really thinking about trademark infringement I don’t think.) They’re bound to sell a dozen more trucks every year because kids want trucks with their school logo on them. Lake Mary isn’t a poor area either.

I was hoping the “historical significance” entry was going to be about the blue/brown Broncos helmet logo.

http://farm5.static....

Wow. That’s quite the find. I think the revisions they ended up with were better choices. Great discovery!

aflfan said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Uhhmmmmm, I think we get it, but thanks for clearing that up. We are obviously all idiots who would have been beholden to a furry rodent to tell us when spring was, but because you had to show how smart you were we now can go on with our lives.

Evgeni Malkin was one of several Pens players who were missing their collar laces last night (as noted by Stu Uhl).

“Stu Uhl” terrific NOB potential there.
:)

(no disrespect intended, Stu)

Tom V said:

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

http://blogs.orlando...

Principal: “Hey ya, we need a nice new logo, anyone got any ideas?”

Quarterback: “How ’bout the one on my truck?”

Coach: “That’s my boy!”

Tom V said:

FormerDirtDart said:

Tom V said:

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

http://blogs.orlando...

If Chrysler was thinking for a second, they would tell Lake Mary High to put up a Chrysler billboard at their athletic facilities for free, and call it even

You know, thats not such a crazy idea at all for the Chrysler folks. Put up a big sign in the gym, the kids in the school will realize “hey, we both use the same logos.” (HS kids aren’t really thinking about trademark infringement I don’t think.) They’re bound to sell a dozen more trucks every year because kids want trucks with their school logo on them. Lake Mary isn’t a poor area either.

Sure, and plenty of other tie-ins to consider:
Typical fund-drive car washes held at the local Chrysler dealership
Homecoming floats pulled by Dodge Rams, and Queen riding in Chrysler convertible, all with local dealerships ad on the side.
Unfortunately, corporate staffs don’t think local enough

Interesting to see that the initial design called for WFL teams to all share a standard, league-specific number font, much like many soccer leagues use today. That font never made it onto the field – teams used standard block numbers instead – but I have personally seen a promotional poster for the Detroit Wheels which does implement the “stencil” font.

Hott Rodd said:

RE: Cribbs
I’m not as sharp as some, but from looking at the pics at nfl.com, that facemask sure looks grey to me. And the replicas on the cleveland browns team shop definitely have grey facemasks.

It’s not that the Browns don’t have a logo, the helmet has been the team’s primary logo since 1970. It had a white facemask from 1975 (when they switched to white) to 2005 (when they switched back to gray) and has had a gray facemask since. The change in 2006 was only that, from white to gray on the facemask.

As far as Cribbs’ jersey, I can’t tell what shade the facemask is, so I’d have to assume they got it right. I don’t think any Browns players got to the Pro Bowl between 2000 and 2005, so there’s no reason for them to have any spare logos from that era lying around.

Wonderful wire snaps!

Terry Procter’s contribution was most enjoyable. A very informative piece albeit sprinkled with the sad realities of time.

FormerDirtDart said:

Tom V said:

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

http://blogs.orlando...

If Chrysler was thinking for a second, they would tell Lake Mary High to put up a Chrysler billboard at their athletic facilities for free, and call it even

The way trademark laws work, in order to protect their right to the image, they have to officially file a cease-and-desist before they can settle with the school on something like that. It’s not corporate douchebaggery this time.

jdreyfuss said:

FormerDirtDart said:

Tom V said:

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

http://blogs.orlando...

If Chrysler was thinking for a second, they would tell Lake Mary High to put up a Chrysler billboard at their athletic facilities for free, and call it even

The way trademark laws work, in order to protect their right to the image, they have to officially file a cease-and-desist before they can settle with the school on something like that. It’s not corporate douchebaggery this time.

No no no no no.. it doesn’t matter what the laws are, it’s always corporate douchebaggery. Didn’t you get that memo?

jdreyfuss said:

FormerDirtDart said:

Tom V said:

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

http://blogs.orlando...

If Chrysler was thinking for a second, they would tell Lake Mary High to put up a Chrysler billboard at their athletic facilities for free, and call it even

The way trademark laws work, in order to protect their right to the image, they have to officially file a cease-and-desist before they can settle with the school on something like that. It’s not corporate douchebaggery this time.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Chrysler was totally within their rights here, clear trademark infringement. I just think they could have figured out a way so everyone could benefit here. Right now I really doubt the Lake Mary School district can afford to be replacing signs and gym floors. Chrysler could have easily come out as the good guys here

Matt said:

I was shopping at TJ Maxx and Marshall’s last week (don’t laugh) and there were racks full of Jones-Drew and Johnson jerseys. At least 15 of each. I’m guessing they were mass-produced for this campaign? I’m glad I finally have an explanation for that.

Dont apologize, I got a sweet Nike Pitt sweatshirt that I know retailed for 69.99 for $15 at TJX

LI Phil said:

dammit

I love that you post a link from a UK paper for this!!!!

If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t Ray Engle featured on an NFL Films program. I remember something about when him being asked to help make the WFL mini-helmets because the first batch that Riddell made were riddled with errors.

Great stuff from Cleveland.com. As a Pittsburgher, I guess I’ll take some flack, but the P-D and that website is great. You have Livingston and Pluto, two of the better columnists in the country. Plus, I love their business page and they had this great story, non-uni-related:

http://www.cleveland...

Kek said:

Matt said:

I was shopping at TJ Maxx and Marshall’s last week (don’t laugh) and there were racks full of Jones-Drew and Johnson jerseys. At least 15 of each. I’m guessing they were mass-produced for this campaign? I’m glad I finally have an explanation for that.

Dont apologize, I got a sweet Nike Pitt sweatshirt that I know retailed for 69.99 for $15 at TJX

Well hell.. if KEK shops there..

Thanks for the links to the Copa retro jerseys. I am thinking I might get one or two. However, as a consumer tip, there are other places that are cheaper than OnionBag.com (they are at least $10 more on the jerseys and $20 on the jackets than SubsideSports.com (US)). I have only bought one thing from SubsideSports.com before so I do not know much about them (their website is comprehensive but not well organized).

The Jeff said:

jdreyfuss said:

The way trademark laws work, in order to protect their right to the image, they have to officially file a cease-and-desist before they can settle with the school on something like that. It’s not corporate douchebaggery this time.

No no no no no.. it doesn’t matter what the laws are, it’s always corporate douchebaggery. Didn’t you get that memo?

no, it’s not

trademark infringement is a serious legal and business concern in today’s marketplace…brand names, logos, domain names, slogans and trade dress tied to successful businesses all are likely to be copied by someone, somewhere

it may suck, but it is required under the law to maintain the integrity of the trademark

the c&d letter will outline, in strong terms, “the trademark owned by the rights holder; explain why the recipient is infringing on that right; and set forth legal claims for trademark infringement, unfair competition, cybersquatting or dilution under federal and state laws.”

the advantage of an enforcement program based on sending cease and desist letters is that it can be a relatively low-cost way to resolve many, if not most, trademark infringement matters

in clear-cut cases, the infringers often recognize that it is in their best interest to stop the offending activity and cooperate with the trademark owner to resolve the matter amicably…

basically, if chrysler doesn’t send the c&d, they may actually lose the rights to their logo (trademark protection) — it’s merely the easiest way of getting lake mary to say, um…ok, we recognize it’s yours and we stole it…it doesn’t mean chrysler won’t try to work something out and are being dicks about it

basically standard legal protocol

of course, they could have sent something called a ‘modified’ cease & desist, which, in certain instances involving unauthorized uses of trademarks, is a less legalistic or formal communication which may have better addressed the situation and avoid unwanted consequences

LI Phil said:

The Jeff said:

jdreyfuss said:

The way trademark laws work, in order to protect their right to the image, they have to officially file a cease-and-desist before they can settle with the school on something like that. It’s not corporate douchebaggery this time.

No no no no no.. it doesn’t matter what the laws are, it’s always corporate douchebaggery. Didn’t you get that memo?

no, it’s not

trademark infringement is a serious legal and business concern in today’s marketplace…brand names, logos, domain names, slogans and trade dress tied to successful businesses all are likely to be copied by someone, somewhere

it may suck, but it is required under the law to maintain the integrity of the trademark

the c&d letter will outline, in strong terms, “the trademark owned by the rights holder; explain why the recipient is infringing on that right; and set forth legal claims for trademark infringement, unfair competition, cybersquatting or dilution under federal and state laws.”

the advantage of an enforcement program based on sending cease and desist letters is that it can be a relatively low-cost way to resolve many, if not most, trademark infringement matters

in clear-cut cases, the infringers often recognize that it is in their best interest to stop the offending activity and cooperate with the trademark owner to resolve the matter amicably…

basically, if chrysler doesn’t send the c&d, they may actually lose the rights to their logo (trademark protection) — it’s merely the easiest way of getting lake mary to say, um…ok, we recognize it’s yours and we stole it…it doesn’t mean chrysler won’t try to work something out and are being dicks about it

basically standard legal protocol

of course, they could have sent something called a ‘modified’ cease & desist, which, in certain instances involving unauthorized uses of trademarks, is a less legalistic or formal communication which may have better addressed the situation and avoid unwanted consequences

Sorry, I forgot the html code for being a smartass. I always seem to do that. :(

and we really need to bring back the preview feature. apparently I suck at quoting

The Jeff said:

I forgot the html code for being a smartass. I always seem to do that. :(

i knew you were being a smartass

not everyone does, however

I interned with the Browns in 2006 when they made the switch to the grey facemasks and it was a fairly serious branding overhaul. I remember online logos, branded merchandise, letterhead, business cards, etc. being re-done at what I assume was a hefty price.

The funny thing is, I recently went back to Berea (where Browns HQ is located) and it looks like the town is painting the Browns helmet logo on the water tower… with a white facemask.

I guess they were either still working on it or went back to fix it because I just found this pic – http://blog.clevelan...

Hott Rodd said:

Kek said:

Matt said:

I was shopping at TJ Maxx and Marshall’s last week (don’t laugh) and there were racks full of Jones-Drew and Johnson jerseys. At least 15 of each. I’m guessing they were mass-produced for this campaign? I’m glad I finally have an explanation for that.

Dont apologize, I got a sweet Nike Pitt sweatshirt that I know retailed for 69.99 for $15 at TJX

Well hell.. if KEK shops there..

You do what you do when your wife likes Coach bags and Ugg boots!

The first Super Bowl Media Day held indoors off the field because of rain as usual marks the debut of the 2010 Draft caps which is (for the Colts) white with a small blue triangle on the lower right hand front. The Saints will likely be gold with a small black triangle.

LI Phil said:

The Jeff said:

I forgot the html code for being a smartass. I always seem to do that. :(

i knew you were being a smartass

not everyone does, however

Phil.
do you really think that anyone that could comprehend the semi-official smart-ass designator “No no no no no” is really going to read your entire post?

FormerDirtDart said:

LI Phil said:

The Jeff said:

I forgot the html code for being a smartass. I always seem to do that. :(

i knew you were being a smartass

not everyone does, however

Phil.
do you really think that anyone that could comprehend the semi-official smart-ass designator “No no no no no” is really going to read your entire post?

DAMNIT… should have been “couldn’t comprehend”

James Craven said:

The first Super Bowl Media Day held indoors off the field because of rain as usual marks the debut of the 2010 Draft caps which is (for the Colts) white with a small blue triangle on the lower right hand front. The Saints will likely be gold with a small black triangle.

Picture of the weird triangle-situation draft caps:
http://s147.photobuc...

LI Phil said:

The Jeff said:

Imagine stores filled with chocolate groundhogs and plastic inflatable groundhog homes to put in your yard.

every day

1. That episode might have my favorite Simpson scene of all time…

Homer is dreaming of a land where all things are made of chocolate. As he is admiring all things cocoa, he takes a bite out of a. lamppost b. a small dog.

As he is walking throught the town, he walks past a candy shop where a sign is hanging proclaiming chocolate 50% off, wherein he proceeds to purchase as much as he can hold!

Hysterical.

2. Torin Dorn wearing all of the wristbands:
http://farm5.static....

Was probably trying to protect himself from the hellacious turf burns.

He is the predecessor to Josh Cribbs and his forearm sock stylings:

http://static.nfl.co...

interesting color on color matchup in English soccer yesterday – tough to tell the two sides apart http://www.buryfc.co...

Johnny O said:

James Craven said:

The first Super Bowl Media Day held indoors off the field because of rain as usual marks the debut of the 2010 Draft caps which is (for the Colts) white with a small blue triangle on the lower right hand front. The Saints will likely be gold with a small black triangle.

Now, if someone can figure out what is written under (next to?) the COLTS script
Picture of the weird triangle-situation draft caps:
http://s147.photobuc...

Kek said:

Hott Rodd said:

Kek said:

Matt said:

I was shopping at TJ Maxx and Marshall’s last week (don’t laugh) and there were racks full of Jones-Drew and Johnson jerseys. At least 15 of each. I’m guessing they were mass-produced for this campaign? I’m glad I finally have an explanation for that.

Dont apologize, I got a sweet Nike Pitt sweatshirt that I know retailed for 69.99 for $15 at TJX

Well hell.. if KEK shops there..

You do what you do when your wife likes Coach bags and Ugg boots!

TJ Maxx and Marshalls are chock full of material for straightcashhomey.

The Jeff said:

aflfan said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Just be glad they haven’t overcommercialized it like every other holiday. Imagine stores filled with chocolate groundhogs and plastic inflatable groundhog homes to put in your yard.

i totally forgot it was groundhog day…? anyone ever been to penn for groundhog day ? is it like a raging party of quakers or what?

Matt said:

You do what you do when your wife likes …Ugg boots!

*records scratches to a stop* Wait, say what?

damn.. should say kek said

Pierre Garçon sporting his nation’s colors at Media Day:

http://s147.photobuc...

Hott Rodd said:

Tom V said:

“…including a pee-wee football team that wore hockey-style jerseys (was this common in Canada years ago?)…”

Hockey jerseys were probably a dime a dozen up in winnepeg, maybe football jerseys harder to come by back then?

I played on a volleyball team in Jr. high that wore the school’s old footbal jerseys.(school no longer offered football.)

I was on my HS’ first-ever soccer team. The jerseys weren’t ready in time, so we wore out-of-circulation football jerseys for the first couple games. There weren’t many numbers to choose from, so I got 86.

Bob Loblaw said:

Wonderful wire snaps!

Terry Procter’s contribution was most enjoyable. A very informative piece albeit sprinkled with the sad realities of time.

Let me echo that. The little history lessons and insights are what makes me read this blog every day. Great reading today!

matt in cleveland said:

The Jeff said:

aflfan said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Just be glad they haven’t overcommercialized it like every other holiday. Imagine stores filled with chocolate groundhogs and plastic inflatable groundhog homes to put in your yard.

i totally forgot it was groundhog day…? anyone ever been to penn for groundhog day ? is it like a raging party of quakers or what?

the butters a churnin today, boy!
They might even get their carriages up to 8 mph!

Phil…they haven”t got any electricity!

The Jeff said:

FormerDirtDart said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

On a related note:
“PETA Says Robot Should Sub For Groundhog” http://www.npr.org/t...

As if we needed more reasons to not take PETA seriously and generally consider them to be a bunch of nutjobs…

Yeah, it’s not as if they’re eating ol’ Phil. Hmm, now I’m hungry for a burger…

Although I don’t agree with it, here is an interesting article on the best MLB nicknames:
http://www.hardballt...

JimV19 said:

Yeah, it’s not as if they’re eating ol’ Phil. Hmm, now I’m hungry for a burger…

Whoa! Taken out of context…

Let’s just say I’m really glad that the last word wasn’t sausage.

Speaking of infringement and cease and desist orders…
What’s the deal when it comes to sites like the one selling USFL DVDs? Of course, I would love to own several. I also found a site that sells MISL videos: http://mislvideo.com...
Needless to say I could fill my birthday and Christmas wish lists for years with these two sites, but are they legit?

The WFL thing, supposedly, “marks the first time that a designer has been used by any league to visually coordinate all its teams to make them instantly recognizable as members of a single league.”

And I’m not sure that was mission accomplished. I mean, *I* certainly recognize the WFL teams and there were far fewer professional sports teams in 1974 than today, but I’m not seeing where the uniforms were all tied nicely together.

I know the sleeve stripes were (largely) the same, but I’m not seeing a consistent design element, really, throughout the 12 original identities. Maybe it’s just me.

Matt D. said:

What’s the deal with Luis Aparicio wearing #33? He usually wore #11.

That struck me as well. My first thought was that it was a demo jersey to show what it would look like with the biggest number possible, width-wise combined with the longest name on the roster.

But 55 would actually have been wider across the top (wasn’t anybody gonna wear #77 in 1960) and Aparicio wouldn’t have been the longest name.

Any chance Luis had a younger brother in the Sox’ system? Could his father or uncle have been a coach?

In the WFL pic: a typo on the board?

It says “Houston Texas” instead of “Houston Texans”. Again, a typo or had the team not been named yet?

MPowers1634 said:

Kek said:

Hott Rodd said:

Kek said:

Matt said:

I was shopping at TJ Maxx and Marshall’s last week (don’t laugh) and there were racks full of Jones-Drew and Johnson jerseys. At least 15 of each. I’m guessing they were mass-produced for this campaign? I’m glad I finally have an explanation for that.

Dont apologize, I got a sweet Nike Pitt sweatshirt that I know retailed for 69.99 for $15 at TJX

Well hell.. if KEK shops there..

You do what you do when your wife likes Coach bags and Ugg boots!

TJ Maxx and Marshalls are chock full of material for straightcashhomey.

to be fair… I’m still trying for an Ike Hilliards Jints number…. :( w/ no success mind you.

I just spent nearly an hour immersed in Straightcashhomey–AND STILL CAN’T GET ENOUGH.

MPowers1634 said:

to 8 mph!

Phil…they haven”t got any electricity!

indeed

Anyone recognize these two high steppers going through their required pre-season conditioning?

You guys have got me trained too well.

I am sitting in the new Target Field box office doing some work for my company when I notice a semi drive by with the Twins logo on the side. Right away I check it out and notice that it is the old logo (last year’s ball has different stitching from the new logo). I think to myself that the moving company really needs to update their trucks.

Hott Rodd said:

Hott Rodd said:

to 8 mph!

Phil…they haven’t got any electricity!

indeed

quickly followed by

Squiddie said:

Anyone recognize these two high steppers going through their required pre-season conditioning?

Stan the Man and Red Schoendienst. GO CARDS!

Who Dat said somethin’ about corporate douchebaggery?
http://www.sportingn...

NickW said:

Stan the Man and Red Schoendienst. GO CARDS!

Oh, is LaRussa considering putting them on the roster to use them as pinch-hitters late in the season as well?

I’m not going to register with the Cleveland Plain Dealer’s web site just to correct the writer, so can someone tell him this statement is inaccurate?
“The second expression of wine and gold featured wine-colored horizontal bars on a screaming yellow zonkers background. They were worn when Ted Stepien owned the team and embarrassed himself, the city and basketball. They briefly returned in the 1990s and again last season.”

1) The Cavs were still owned by Nick Mileti when the beautiful jerseys mentioned above were worn: http://www.onlinespo...

2) When Ted Stepien bought the team, they wore a muted gold jersey: http://www.nba.com/m...

NickW said:

Squiddie said:

Anyone recognize these two high steppers going through their required pre-season conditioning?

Stan the Man and Red Schoendienst. GO CARDS!

Correct and here they are with their certificates.

Squiddie said:

NickW said:

Squiddie said:

Anyone recognize these two high steppers going through their required pre-season conditioning?

Stan the Man and Red Schoendienst. GO CARDS!

Correct and here they are with their certificates.

Great find! That is a pretty cool SLU logo on that certificate too.

I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.

Bob Loblaw said:

I’m still trying for an Ike Hilliards Jints number…. :( w/ no success mind you.

If you find two, let me know, since that’s Pat Summerall’s number. Just need to take off the NOB.

I think this falls somewhat within our framework of detail-oriented sports observations: I’ve created a simple web page detailing which dugout the home team sits in in each MLB ballpark. It’s something I’ve always found curious that there seems to be no standard way to do it.
http://40-4d.50megs....

I also posted this in the comments late last night, so if you missed it I noticed those vertical striped socks for UVA Basketball against Va Tech last Thursday:
http://www.replaypho...
Seems they have worn them as far back as Jan. 18 vs. UNCW:
http://images.pictop...

I think it’s just the latest Nike style being foisted upon us.

JimV19 said:

I’m not going to register with the Cleveland Plain Dealer’s web site just to correct the writer

that’ll teach ‘em

Johnny O said:

Although I don’t agree with it, here is an interesting article on the best MLB nicknames:
http://www.hardballt...

History instructor by day, statnerd by night, Chris Jaffe leads one of the most exciting double lives imaginable; with the exception of every other double life possible to imagine. Despite his lack of comic-book-hero-worthiness, Chris enjoys farting around with this stuff. His new book, Evaluating Baseball’s Managers is available for order. Chris welcomes responses to his articles via e-mail.

I guess his research assistants didn’t get back to him in time with information on the nickname origins of the Tigers, Giants, Mets, etc.

Kevin Z. said:

I think this falls somewhat within our framework of detail-oriented sports observations: I’ve created a simple web page detailing which dugout the home team sits in in each MLB ballpark. It’s something I’ve always found curious that there seems to be no standard way to do it.
http://40-4d.50megs....

Craig Robinson has just the ticket for you in one of his infographics.
http://www.flipflopf...

NickW said:

Kevin Z. said:

I think this falls somewhat within our framework of detail-oriented sports observations: I’ve created a simple web page detailing which dugout the home team sits in in each MLB ballpark. It’s something I’ve always found curious that there seems to be no standard way to do it.
http://40-4d.50megs....

Craig Robinson has just the ticket for you in one of his infographics.
http://www.flipflopf...

Man, shades of Knocked Up.

NickW said:

Kevin Z. said:

I think this falls somewhat within our framework of detail-oriented sports observations: I’ve created a simple web page detailing which dugout the home team sits in in each MLB ballpark. It’s something I’ve always found curious that there seems to be no standard way to do it.
http://40-4d.50megs....

Craig Robinson has just the ticket for you in one of his infographics.
http://www.flipflopf...

Oh nice! Hadn’t seen that. I wish there were enough hours in the day for him to update all of his infographs every year. Alas, I’m sure there are not.

I thought I would pose this question to the smart Uni Watchers out there although it’s not uni related. My buddy and I were having a debate regarding locations for Super Bowls the other day. My position was that the NFL often chooses tourist-friendly cities like Miami and San Diego more often because they make more money when the Super Bowl is played in cities like this versus a colder climate.

He brought up a good point, however. If the Super Bowl is played in Philadelphia for instance, the game would definitely still sell out, there would be just as much money made off of the TV contract and merchandise sales wouldn’t be that much different. So why does the NFL choose the Miamis, the New Orleans’ and the San Diegos so often to play this game? Is it as simple as wthe NFL execs wanting to take a nice warm weather vacation in the middle of the winter?

JTH said:

Johnny O said:

Although I don’t agree with it, here is an interesting article on the best MLB nicknames:
http://www.hardballt...

History instructor by day, statnerd by night, Chris Jaffe leads one of the most exciting double lives imaginable; with the exception of every other double life possible to imagine. Despite his lack of comic-book-hero-worthiness, Chris enjoys farting around with this stuff. His new book, Evaluating Baseball’s Managers is available for order. Chris welcomes responses to his articles via e-mail.

I guess his research assistants didn’t get back to him in time with information on the nickname origins of the Tigers, Giants, Mets, etc.

Frankly, I have been anxiously awaiting a “Ricko Rant” on this

Wollen1 said:

I thought I would pose this question to the smart Uni Watchers out there although it’s not uni related. My buddy and I were having a debate regarding locations for Super Bowls the other day. My position was that the NFL often chooses tourist-friendly cities like Miami and San Diego more often because they make more money when the Super Bowl is played in cities like this versus a colder climate.

He brought up a good point, however. If the Super Bowl is played in Philadelphia for instance, the game would definitely still sell out, there would be just as much money made off of the TV contract and merchandise sales wouldn’t be that much different. So why does the NFL choose the Miamis, the New Orleans’ and the San Diegos so often to play this game? Is it as simple as wthe NFL execs wanting to take a nice warm weather vacation in the middle of the winter?

super bowl 40 was in detroit

MG12 said:

I gotta say that I think the WFL logos that Engle created look really sharp. I would that Jacksonville Sharks logo over San Jose’s logo any day. It is hard to believe that they were created back in ‘74.

FormerDirtDart said:

JTH said:

Johnny O said:

Although I don’t agree with it, here is an interesting article on the best MLB nicknames:
http://www.hardballt...

History instructor by day, statnerd by night, Chris Jaffe leads one of the most exciting double lives imaginable; with the exception of every other double life possible to imagine. Despite his lack of comic-book-hero-worthiness, Chris enjoys farting around with this stuff. His new book, Evaluating Baseball’s Managers is available for order. Chris welcomes responses to his articles via e-mail.

I guess his research assistants didn’t get back to him in time with information on the nickname origins of the Tigers, Giants, Mets, etc.

Frankly, I have been anxiously awaiting a “Ricko Rant” on this

I was wondering the same thing….. where the hell IS Ricko? Could it be he’s actually working????

dammit!

Was just gonna say I think a lot of those WFL logos have stood up pretty well. The fact those were all designed by one guy is kinda neat and amazing.

Kevin Z. said:

I think this falls somewhat within our framework of detail-oriented sports observations: I’ve created a simple web page detailing which dugout the home team sits in in each MLB ballpark. It’s something I’ve always found curious that there seems to be no standard way to do it.
http://40-4d.50megs....

To add a potential layer of intrigue … The Natinal League (sic) used to be much more 3rd base heavy. IIRC, until the Diamondbacks, Pirates, Padres, and Giants opened up their current homes, the Cubs and Dodgers were the only NL teams with 3rd base dugouts.

If I were designing a park from scratch, one would think it would make sense to put the home dugout on the first base side. After all, and the end of most at bats, where is the player standing? A jog to the third base dugout may not sound like a big deal, but that many steps multiplied by 4-5 at bats per game, multiplied by 81 games a year, could be enough to add to the other factors that wears down a player over a season. Enough on it’s own to wear you down? Doubtfully. But why add to the exhaustion unnecessarily?

Marc M. said:

aflfan said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Uhhmmmmm, I think we get it, but thanks for clearing that up. We are obviously all idiots who would have been beholden to a furry rodent to tell us when spring was, but because you had to show how smart you were we now can go on with our lives.

Sorry, for trying to make everybody’s day better with a litte humor.

Looking forward to the Ray Engel interview regarding the WFL.

Notice the inclusion of the Virginia Ambassadors logo — before the team moved to Orlando and became the Florida Blazers. I guess Mr. Engel had more work to do!

Old AP wirephotos are great! Keep ‘em coming.

JimWa said:

To add a potential layer of intrigue … The Natinal League (sic) used to be much more 3rd base heavy. IIRC, until the Diamondbacks, Pirates, Padres, and Giants opened up their current homes, the Cubs and Dodgers were the only NL teams with 3rd base dugouts.

If I were designing a park from scratch, one would think it would make sense to put the home dugout on the first base side. After all, and the end of most at bats, where is the player standing? A jog to the third base dugout may not sound like a big deal, but that many steps multiplied by 4-5 at bats per game, multiplied by 81 games a year, could be enough to add to the other factors that wears down a player over a season. Enough on it’s own to wear you down? Doubtfully. But why add to the exhaustion unnecessarily?

I think your assessment for choosing the first base dugout makes a lot of sense. For argument’s sake, I think the counterargument is that a manager can more easily communicate with and relay signals into the third base coach if the team is sitting in the third base dugout.

You act like the San Diego Padres are the only team that has ever worn camo.

LI Phil said:

JimV19 said:

I’m not going to register with the Cleveland Plain Dealer’s web site just to correct the writer

that’ll teach ‘em

Now if it were as easy to comment as it is here, I’d do it. They make you jump through too many hoops.

So did you see your shadow, LI Phil?

I’ve gotta say that the price on the Otto Raiders jacket gave me my best laugh of 2010. Yeah pal, you’re gonna get a half a mil from somebody for this jacket. I also like the ‘buy it now’ option where for a mere extra $100,000.00 you can skip the whole annoying auction process. It’s almost worth ruining my eBay rating to put a bid on this thing and tell the guy to go jump in a lake when he comes to collect. Simply hilarious.

Wollen1 said:

I thought I would pose this question to the smart Uni Watchers out there although it’s not uni related. My buddy and I were having a debate regarding locations for Super Bowls the other day. My position was that the NFL often chooses tourist-friendly cities like Miami and San Diego more often because they make more money when the Super Bowl is played in cities like this versus a colder climate.

He brought up a good point, however. If the Super Bowl is played in Philadelphia for instance, the game would definitely still sell out, there would be just as much money made off of the TV contract and merchandise sales wouldn’t be that much different. So why does the NFL choose the Miamis, the New Orleans’ and the San Diegos so often to play this game? Is it as simple as wthe NFL execs wanting to take a nice warm weather vacation in the middle of the winter?

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

OK, thought I was seeing thing on ESPN a few minutes ago, then went searching the interweb. Anyone have a clue how long, and when, the Jets wore this helmet?
http://www.sports-au...

Hott Rodd said:

MPowers1634 said:

MPowers1634 said:

to 8 mph!

Phil…they haven’t got any electricity!

indeed

quickly followed by

classic…Why I love UW!

Bob Loblaw said:

MPowers1634 said:

Kek said:

Hott Rodd said:

Kek said:

Matt said:

I was shopping at TJ Maxx and Marshall’s last week (don’t laugh) and there were racks full of Jones-Drew and Johnson jerseys. At least 15 of each. I’m guessing they were mass-produced for this campaign? I’m glad I finally have an explanation for that.

Dont apologize, I got a sweet Nike Pitt sweatshirt that I know retailed for 69.99 for $15 at TJX

Well hell.. if KEK shops there..

You do what you do when your wife likes Coach bags and Ugg boots!

TJ Maxx and Marshalls are chock full of material for straightcashhomey.

to be fair… I’m still trying for an Ike Hilliards Jints number…. :( w/ no success mind you.

I just spent nearly an hour immersed in Straightcashhomey–AND STILL CAN’T GET ENOUGH.

I didn’t think it was possible, but DelawareMike might be a bigger wiseass than Phil!

The Jeff said:

aflfan said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Just be glad they haven’t overcommercialized it like every other holiday. Imagine stores filled with chocolate groundhogs and plastic inflatable groundhog homes to put in your yard.

There might even be a movie or two….

Ry Co 40 said:

Wollen1 said:

I thought I would pose this question to the smart Uni Watchers out there although it’s not uni related. My buddy and I were having a debate regarding locations for Super Bowls the other day. My position was that the NFL often chooses tourist-friendly cities like Miami and San Diego more often because they make more money when the Super Bowl is played in cities like this versus a colder climate.

He brought up a good point, however. If the Super Bowl is played in Philadelphia for instance, the game would definitely still sell out, there would be just as much money made off of the TV contract and merchandise sales wouldn’t be that much different. So why does the NFL choose the Miamis, the New Orleans’ and the San Diegos so often to play this game? Is it as simple as wthe NFL execs wanting to take a nice warm weather vacation in the middle of the winter?

super bowl 40 was in detroit

XVI was also in Detroit and XXVI was at the HHH Metrodome in Minneapolis

Wollen1 said:

I thought I would pose this question to the smart Uni Watchers out there although it’s not uni related. My buddy and I were having a debate regarding locations for Super Bowls the other day. My position was that the NFL often chooses tourist-friendly cities like Miami and San Diego more often because they make more money when the Super Bowl is played in cities like this versus a colder climate.

He brought up a good point, however. If the Super Bowl is played in Philadelphia for instance, the game would definitely still sell out, there would be just as much money made off of the TV contract and merchandise sales wouldn’t be that much different. So why does the NFL choose the Miamis, the New Orleans’ and the San Diegos so often to play this game? Is it as simple as wthe NFL execs wanting to take a nice warm weather vacation in the middle of the winter?

The answer is that the NFL wants a mild climate for the Super Bowl week(s) where the sponsors can have parties etc. Also they really hate the whole weather aspect mucking up the game. Indy and Detroit were awarded Super bowls for building brand new Domed (domed being the key) stadia. Other recent(and future) hosts include AZ and Dallas. But all in all the 3 city rotation preferred by the NFl is San Diego, Miami and New Orleans, although San Diego is beginning to fall out of favor for lack of a new stadium, and AZ is trying to crack the regular rotation because of the beautiful weather but the urban sprawl is a detriment.

Watching Super Bowl media day and Drew Brees is wearing the Saints white tops with gold pants. That’s what the Saints are wearing for the SB.
That means that the Colts will wear their home unis of blue tops with white pants on Sunday.

Christopher said:

(Question on the location of the Super Bowl)

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Detroit and Pontiac have both hosted. St Louis hasn’t. Minneapolis hosted once. Indianapolis gets it in 2012?

New Orleans and Miami have hosted the most. The Super Dome has hosted it seven times, but Tulane also hosted it three times.

Hott Rodd said:

Wollen1 said:

I thought I would pose this question to the smart Uni Watchers out there although it’s not uni related. My buddy and I were having a debate regarding locations for Super Bowls the other day. My position was that the NFL often chooses tourist-friendly cities like Miami and San Diego more often because they make more money when the Super Bowl is played in cities like this versus a colder climate.

He brought up a good point, however. If the Super Bowl is played in Philadelphia for instance, the game would definitely still sell out, there would be just as much money made off of the TV contract and merchandise sales wouldn’t be that much different. So why does the NFL choose the Miamis, the New Orleans’ and the San Diegos so often to play this game? Is it as simple as wthe NFL execs wanting to take a nice warm weather vacation in the middle of the winter?

The answer is that the NFL wants a mild climate for the Super Bowl week(s) where the sponsors can have parties etc. Also they really hate the whole weather aspect mucking up the game. Indy and Detroit were awarded Super bowls for building brand new Domed (domed being the key) stadia. Other recent(and future) hosts include AZ and Dallas. But all in all the 3 city rotation preferred by the NFl is San Diego, Miami and New Orleans, although San Diego is beginning to fall out of favor for lack of a new stadium, and AZ is trying to crack the regular rotation because of the beautiful weather but the urban sprawl is a detriment.

NYC was originally selected for this years game, contingent to the Jets getting their planned Westside stadium with a roof open by 2008

Squiddie said:

Christopher said:

(Question on the location of the Super Bowl)

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Detroit and Pontiac have both hosted. St Louis hasn’t. Minneapolis hosted once. Indianapolis gets it in 2012?

New Orleans and Miami have hosted the most. The Super Dome has hosted it seven times, but Tulane also hosted it three times.

Yes, but past history is no longer an indicator od future locations. Not with the high dollar sponsors etc. The Super Bowl is the figurative carrot on a stick now for cold weather teams in need of new Stadiums.

Hott Rodd said:

Squiddie said:

Christopher said:

(Question on the location of the Super Bowl)

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Detroit and Pontiac have both hosted. St Louis hasn’t. Minneapolis hosted once. Indianapolis gets it in 2012?

New Orleans and Miami have hosted the most. The Super Dome has hosted it seven times, but Tulane also hosted it three times.

Yes, but past history is no longer an indicator od future locations. Not with the high dollar sponsors etc. The Super Bowl is the figurative carrot on a stick now for cold weather teams in need of new Stadiums.

the intriguing part is whether the NFL will break from recent custom and award NY/NJ the Super Bowl even though it is an open air stadium.

Squiddie said:

Christopher said:

(Question on the location of the Super Bowl)

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Detroit and Pontiac have both hosted. St Louis hasn’t. Minneapolis hosted once. Indianapolis gets it in 2012?

New Orleans and Miami have hosted the most. The Super Dome has hosted it seven times, but Tulane also hosted it three times.

Actually, the Super Dome has only hosted 6, number 7 will be in 2013

Squiddie said:

Christopher said:

(Question on the location of the Super Bowl)

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Detroit and Pontiac have both hosted. St Louis hasn’t. Minneapolis hosted once. Indianapolis gets it in 2012?

New Orleans and Miami have hosted the most. The Super Dome has hosted it seven times, but Tulane also hosted it three times.

Since there are questions about whether the Rams are even staying in St. Louis for more than another 1-2 years, questions about the quality of the dome (contracted to be in the top 8 NFL stadiums, all things considered, or the team is allowed to pull out of town), and no question as to whether St. Louis is a “party city” (just watch them roll up the sidewalks downtown any evenings the Cardinals aren’t playing) … it could be coming here any time now.

Hott Rodd said:

Hott Rodd said:

Squiddie said:

Christopher said:

(Question on the location of the Super Bowl)

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Detroit and Pontiac have both hosted. St Louis hasn’t. Minneapolis hosted once. Indianapolis gets it in 2012?

New Orleans and Miami have hosted the most. The Super Dome has hosted it seven times, but Tulane also hosted it three times.

Yes, but past history is no longer an indicator od future locations. Not with the high dollar sponsors etc. The Super Bowl is the figurative carrot on a stick now for cold weather teams in need of new Stadiums.

the intriguing part is whether the NFL will break from recent custom and award NY/NJ the Super Bowl even though it is an open air stadium.

I believe the NYG/NYJ bid includes a temporary roof for the stadium

Samuel said:

Samuel said:

The first Super Bowl Media Day held indoors off the field because of rain as usual marks the debut of the 2010 Draft caps which is (for the Colts) white with a small blue triangle on the lower right hand front. The Saints will likely be gold with a small black triangle.

Picture of the weird triangle-situation draft caps:
http://s147.photobuc...

Just saw the Saints one on TV. Just like the Colts design. The whole cap is white with the Saints logo right in the middle. The triangle is black.

Tom V said:

High School in central Florida was using the Dodge Ram as their mascot. Chrysler Corporation stepped in and asked them to cease and desist. They have until next school year to remove the image from the school.

There are at least three 5-A schools in metro Houston that use the Ram as their mascot, and all three of them employ great big air-filled versions of the Dodge Ram logo as sideline decorations, the same kind of thing that the dealers use to entice passersby. It’s not their primary logo, though.

On a completely unrelated note, , the Wilmington Blue Rocks thing from yesterday has been bothering me all day. Isn’t the Wilmington Blue Rock a breed of chicken? So why is their mascot a moose named Rocky? And doesn’t anyone in Delaware remember that Rocky was a flying squirrel; Bullwinkle was the moose? The whole thing annoys me. Nice colors, though, although the “Delaware buff” is sadly underutilized…

OK, back to spring training.

Anyone want to identify this handsome mug? He was in the news some last year.

Squiddie said:

OK, back to spring training.

Anyone want to identify this handsome mug? He was in the news some last year.

Art Donovan? :)
http://www.sportssta...

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

FormerDirtDart said:

Squiddie said:

Christopher said:

(Question on the location of the Super Bowl)

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Detroit and Pontiac have both hosted. St Louis hasn’t. Minneapolis hosted once. Indianapolis gets it in 2012?

New Orleans and Miami have hosted the most. The Super Dome has hosted it seven times, but Tulane also hosted it three times.

Actually, the Super Dome has only hosted 6, number 7 will be in 2013

Superdome is one word.

The NFL is DEFINITELY using new stadiums as “rewards” to franchises for building new stadiums. But I still think that the “rotation” between New Orleans, Miami, and a few other cities (San Diego, Tampa & Glendale) will continue. I don’t see the Super Bowl going back to Detroit or Indianapolis again. Owners definitely want to go to the warmer weather, party cities for the Super Bowl but are willing to award the game to cities that build new stadiums because it gives them more leverage when they’re trying to negotiate for a new stadium or upgrads.

Had the MLB network on in the background yesterday, and they were sowing the highlight films from the MLB ASGs from the 60’s. I happened to actually look up and notice this – they added blue & red dashes into the baselines – very cool.. Also note the VERY skinny ties the umps were wearing, and the way people used to improvise hats out of paper boxes and stuff. Not to mention an Angel halo cap

Then they shpwped the 65 game from Minnesota, and even though the color is fairly faded, it looks like they did it there, too! It was pretty neat to see., even seeing that that Richie Cunningham came up from Milwaukee to see the game! No sign of the Fonz, though….

FormerDirtDart said:

Hott Rodd said:

Hott Rodd said:

Squiddie said:

Christopher said:

(Question on the location of the Super Bowl)

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Detroit and Pontiac have both hosted. St Louis hasn’t. Minneapolis hosted once. Indianapolis gets it in 2012?

New Orleans and Miami have hosted the most. The Super Dome has hosted it seven times, but Tulane also hosted it three times.

Yes, but past history is no longer an indicator od future locations. Not with the high dollar sponsors etc. The Super Bowl is the figurative carrot on a stick now for cold weather teams in need of new Stadiums.

the intriguing part is whether the NFL will break from recent custom and award NY/NJ the Super Bowl even though it is an open air stadium.

I believe the NYG/NYJ bid includes a temporary roof for the stadium

Actually it looks like no temp roof, but the NFL has waived the weather rule (avg temps of 50 degrees or higher in Feb, or have a roof) and allowed NY/NJ to bid for the 2014 game.
Also says the recent success of the Winter Classic is a motivating factor.

http://www.nytimes.c...

OOPS – here is the skinny ump tie

UmpLou said:

Had the MLB network on in the background yesterday, and they were sowing the highlight films from the MLB ASGs from the 60’s. I happened to actually look up and notice this – they added blue & red dashes into the baselines – very cool.. Also note the VERY skinny ties the umps were wearing, and the way people used to improvise hats out of paper boxes and stuff. Not to mention an Angel halo cap

Then they shpwped the 65 game from Minnesota, and even though the color is fairly faded, it looks like they did it there, too! It was pretty neat to see., even seeing that that Richie Cunningham came up from Milwaukee to see the game! No sign of the Fonz, though….

I don’t even think Craig Sager would wear this coat!

http://i115.photobuc...

Christopher said:

Wollen1 said:

I thought I would pose this question to the smart Uni Watchers out there although it’s not uni related. My buddy and I were having a debate regarding locations for Super Bowls the other day. My position was that the NFL often chooses tourist-friendly cities like Miami and San Diego more often because they make more money when the Super Bowl is played in cities like this versus a colder climate.

He brought up a good point, however. If the Super Bowl is played in Philadelphia for instance, the game would definitely still sell out, there would be just as much money made off of the TV contract and merchandise sales wouldn’t be that much different. So why does the NFL choose the Miamis, the New Orleans’ and the San Diegos so often to play this game? Is it as simple as wthe NFL execs wanting to take a nice warm weather vacation in the middle of the winter?

Its mostly the weather for the game most likely. If you have it in the North, it has to be a dome. How many are there? I think 4:

Indianapolis, Detroit, Minnesota, St. Louis

The first three have had one or will have one.

There’s also the aspect of the city being a “party city” that can host an event like this. Jacksonville was not, and everyone complained.

Order an extra thousand complaint boxes for Indianapolis then.

i thought the main article was top notch grade A cut, then i got to proctor, WOW. great entry today paul.

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

MPowers1634 said:

Squiddie said:

OK, back to spring training.

Anyone want to identify this handsome mug? He was in the news some last year.

Art Donovan? :)
http://www.sportssta...

Art Donovan?

(The number’s right, but I don’t really know for sure.)

FormerDirtDart said:

JTH said:

Johnny O said:

Although I don’t agree with it, here is an interesting article on the best MLB nicknames:
http://www.hardballt...

History instructor by day, statnerd by night, Chris Jaffe leads one of the most exciting double lives imaginable; with the exception of every other double life possible to imagine. Despite his lack of comic-book-hero-worthiness, Chris enjoys farting around with this stuff. His new book, Evaluating Baseball’s Managers is available for order. Chris welcomes responses to his articles via e-mail.

I guess his research assistants didn’t get back to him in time with information on the nickname origins of the Tigers, Giants, Mets, etc.

Frankly, I have been anxiously awaiting a “Ricko Rant” on this

Not exactly broad, or deep, in his general knowledge, is he.
Not about team histories.
Not about municipal sensitivities.
Not even about ornithology (it’s actually the name of the bird, doofushead)
http://www.allaboutb...

I guess he’s just “reacting” and figured we’d want to know.
Oh, boy, maybe next time he’ll tell us what color towels he thinks look good in his bathroom.

—Ricko

—Ricko

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

Perhaps I should have said “Aviation” logo.

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

Perhaps I should have said “Aviation” logo.

Just went to the Wikipedia, and the insignia is called a “roundel”, and was originally by the Army Air Corps, FWIW.

The NFL actually agreed some time back to insert a “cold weather city” into the rotation every several years, but, yeah, in the early years of the thing, a warm-weather locale made more sense for a lot of reasons. The Super Bowl wasn’t exactly the instant extravaganza it is today (Don Weiss – I believe – wrote a book on it that’s mildly interesting).

Anyway, after Detroit’s hosting in Jan. 1982, it didn’t happen again (a Super Bowl in a northern clime) until 1992 when Minneapolis hosted. Now once in every six or seven years (2006 Detroit, 2012 Indianapolis), a northern city is supposed to get it and they’ll live with the weather. It was, IIRC, nasty cold in Atlanta in 1999, wasn’t it? You never can tell. But involving more cities in the potential pool also has the benefit of jacking up the bidding. And the NFL doesn’t like to leave money on the table.

aflfan said:

Marc M. said:

aflfan said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Uhhmmmmm, I think we get it, but thanks for clearing that up. We are obviously all idiots who would have been beholden to a furry rodent to tell us when spring was, but because you had to show how smart you were we now can go on with our lives.

Sorry, for trying to make everybody’s day better with a litte humor.

Aflfan, for that kind of sarcasm to be effective, it has to be directed at a person or action which is deemed worthy of derision by the audience. That’s why Phil and Marc’s comments were funny and yours fell flat.

pru said:

Order an extra thousand complaint boxes for Indianapolis then.

Having spent time in both, I can say rather confidently that Indianapolis is far preferable to Jacksonville, Florida.

Jacksonville simply sucks on all possible levels.

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

Perhaps I should have said “Aviation” logo.

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar is in San Diego

Robb said:

In the WFL pic: a typo on the board?

It says “Houston Texas” instead of “Houston Texans”. Again, a typo or had the team not been named yet?

Notice the Southmen/Grizzlies logo just says “Memphis” under it, too. Memphis was originally the Toronto Northmen (a pretty good name, at least unique) but then moved to Memphis. Surely by June 7, 1974, all the teams had been named (the locations had been in a state of flux in the year or so leading up to the first kickoff) as the season began a month later.

FormerDirtDart said:

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar is in San Diego

Just north of there, in Miramar, yeah. Fighter Weapons School is a Naval installation, isn’t it?

(Reminds me of that old joke: “The Marines are a department of the Navy. The men’s department.”)

NickW said:

Kevin Z. said:

I think this falls somewhat within our framework of detail-oriented sports observations: I’ve created a simple web page detailing which dugout the home team sits in in each MLB ballpark. It’s something I’ve always found curious that there seems to be no standard way to do it.
http://40-4d.50megs....

Craig Robinson has just the ticket for you in one of his infographics.
http://www.flipflopf...

What’s interesting to me there is that, with all the two-team towns, both teams have the same orientation:

New York Mets and Yankees: first base
Chicago Cubs and White Sox: third base
Los Angeles Angels and Dodgers: third base
San Francisco Giants/Oakland A’s: third base

Even if you stretch it to include these close neighbors:
Baltimore Orioles/Washington Nationals: first base

Wonder if an existing stadium has influenced a new one in any of those areas?

KT said:

FormerDirtDart said:

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar is in San Diego

Just north of there, in Miramar, yeah. Fighter Weapons School is a Naval installation, isn’t it?

Nah, Top Gun has been moved to Nevada, if memory serves. The 1980s are truly history….

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

merrill lynch logo? LOL

http://barneymccoy.f...

or this classic:

http://www.alexross....

FormerDirtDart said:

Johnny O said:

James Craven said:

The first Super Bowl Media Day held indoors off the field because of rain as usual marks the debut of the 2010 Draft caps which is (for the Colts) white with a small blue triangle on the lower right hand front. The Saints will likely be gold with a small black triangle.

Now, if someone can figure out what is written under (next to?) the COLTS script
Picture of the weird triangle-situation draft caps:
http://s147.photobuc...

It’s copyright/trademark language required by the NFL?

Ry Co 40 said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

merrill lynch logo? LOL

http://barneymccoy.f...

or this classic:

http://www.alexross....

p.s.
i know it’s neither (before anyone jumps all over me about it)

jesse said:

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

Perhaps I should have said “Aviation” logo.

Just went to the Wikipedia, and the insignia is called a “roundel”, and was originally by the Army Air Corps, FWIW.

Yes, but the “Star and Bars” is the National Aircraft Insignia for all US military aviation assets, and has been for over six decades And the Navy & Marines own it’s history as much as the Army Air Corps/Air Force does.
http://www.history.n...

KT said:

The NFL actually agreed some time back to insert a “cold weather city” into the rotation every several years, but, yeah, in the early years of the thing, a warm-weather locale made more sense for a lot of reasons. The Super Bowl wasn’t exactly the instant extravaganza it is today (Don Weiss – I believe – wrote a book on it that’s mildly interesting).

Anyway, after Detroit’s hosting in Jan. 1982, it didn’t happen again (a Super Bowl in a northern clime) until 1992 when Minneapolis hosted. Now once in every six or seven years (2006 Detroit, 2012 Indianapolis), a northern city is supposed to get it and they’ll live with the weather. It was, IIRC, nasty cold in Atlanta in 1999, wasn’t it? You never can tell. But involving more cities in the potential pool also has the benefit of jacking up the bidding. And the NFL doesn’t like to leave money on the table.

yeah there was a major ice storm in Atlanta that year, found this pdf of the weather from all super bowls here http://www.sercc.net.... its was 82 in san diego? good lord…

MPowers1634 said:

UmpLou said:

Had the MLB network on in the background yesterday, and they were sowing the highlight films from the MLB ASGs from the 60’s. I happened to actually look up and notice this – they added blue & red dashes into the baselines – very cool.. Also note the VERY skinny ties the umps were wearing, and the way people used to improvise hats out of paper boxes and stuff. Not to mention an Angel halo cap

Then they shpwped the 65 game from Minnesota, and even though the color is fairly faded, it looks like they did it there, too! It was pretty neat to see., even seeing that that Richie Cunningham came up from Milwaukee to see the game! No sign of the Fonz, though….

I don’t even think Craig Sager would wear this coat!

http://i115.photobuc...

Maybe Don Cherry?

KT said:

FormerDirtDart said:

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar is in San Diego

Just north of there, in Miramar, yeah. Fighter Weapons School is a Naval installation, isn’t it?

(Reminds me of that old joke: “The Marines are a department of the Navy. The men’s department.”)

Naval Air Station Miramar was turned over to Marine Corps control in the ’90s
And, you reminded me of a joke.
“Why do Marines wear name tags on the back of their pant?
So Sailors know who their date is.”

chance michaels said:

Nah, Top Gun has been moved to Nevada, if memory serves. The 1980s are truly history….

Ah, correct. NAS Fallon, apparently.

Last time I was in San Diego, my buddy took me to that hill where Cruise & McGillis had that famous peel out and yell at each other scene. Good times, good times.

NickW said:

Squiddie said:

NickW said:

Squiddie said:

Anyone recognize these two high steppers going through their required pre-season conditioning?

Stan the Man and Red Schoendienst. GO CARDS!

Correct and here they are with their certificates.

Great find! That is a pretty cool SLU logo on that certificate too.

I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.

GO BILLIKENS!

http://upload.wikime...

ShaunT said:

KT said:

The NFL actually agreed some time back to insert a “cold weather city” into the rotation every several years, but, yeah, in the early years of the thing, a warm-weather locale made more sense for a lot of reasons. The Super Bowl wasn’t exactly the instant extravaganza it is today (Don Weiss – I believe – wrote a book on it that’s mildly interesting).

Anyway, after Detroit’s hosting in Jan. 1982, it didn’t happen again (a Super Bowl in a northern clime) until 1992 when Minneapolis hosted. Now once in every six or seven years (2006 Detroit, 2012 Indianapolis), a northern city is supposed to get it and they’ll live with the weather. It was, IIRC, nasty cold in Atlanta in 1999, wasn’t it? You never can tell. But involving more cities in the potential pool also has the benefit of jacking up the bidding. And the NFL doesn’t like to leave money on the table.

yeah there was a major ice storm in Atlanta that year, found this pdf of the weather from all super bowls here http://www.sercc.net.... its was 82 in san diego? good lord…

My dad worked for the Oakland County Road Commission during the Super Bowl in Pontiac. He worked Super Bowl Sunday and beside time and 1/2 he got a Super Bowl hat. It did snow the morning of the Super Bowl that year but not over an inch if I recall right. I will try to find the hat and get a picture of it.

ShaunT said:

KT said:

The NFL actually agreed some time back to insert a “cold weather city” into the rotation every several years, but, yeah, in the early years of the thing, a warm-weather locale made more sense for a lot of reasons. The Super Bowl wasn’t exactly the instant extravaganza it is today (Don Weiss – I believe – wrote a book on it that’s mildly interesting).

Anyway, after Detroit’s hosting in Jan. 1982, it didn’t happen again (a Super Bowl in a northern clime) until 1992 when Minneapolis hosted. Now once in every six or seven years (2006 Detroit, 2012 Indianapolis), a northern city is supposed to get it and they’ll live with the weather. It was, IIRC, nasty cold in Atlanta in 1999, wasn’t it? You never can tell. But involving more cities in the potential pool also has the benefit of jacking up the bidding. And the NFL doesn’t like to leave money on the table.

yeah there was a major ice storm in Atlanta that year, found this pdf of the weather from all super bowls here http://www.sercc.net.... its was 82 in san diego? good lord…

I love how they used Detroit Metro airport as the reporting station for the 82 Super Bowl. It is like 45 minutes from the Silverdome. Last year Metro got 1/2 the snow that the White Lake station (about 10 minutes from Pontiac) got.

Here is a better pic of the draft/SB caps:

http://s147.photobuc...

Still can’t read what is in the little triangle though.

I love how work an uni-watching can peacefully co-exist at times …

I know I’ve mentioned the Freeport Pretzels (Freeport High School, Freeport, IL) as one of the more unusual team names out there. I was just talking with a guy originally from Freeport, who gave the reasoning:

A long, long time ago, in a way far Chicago suburb, there was a small business owner who focused on making pretzels. A sports fan seeking a way to market his product, he offered free pretzels to all athletes after their games/matches/events. This practice became so well known, the team started being called the Pretzels.

There was a vote a few years back by the student body to possibly update the mascot to something more modern. They decided to leave salty baked dough well enough alone.

“I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.”

Quick, the All-Catholic Team (all sports)…

Dave (or Bucky) Pope.
Jose Cardenal.
Bubba Church.
Paul Brothers.
Howie Nunn.

Arch…Dioses?

Okay, anybody, take it from here…

—Ricko

JimWa said:

I love how work an uni-watching can peacefully co-exist at times …

I know I’ve mentioned the Freeport Pretzels (Freeport High School, Freeport, IL) as one of the more unusual team names out there. I was just talking with a guy originally from Freeport, who gave the reasoning:

A long, long time ago, in a way far Chicago suburb, there was a small business owner who focused on making pretzels. A sports fan seeking a way to market his product, he offered free pretzels to all athletes after their games/matches/events. This practice became so well known, the team started being called the Pretzels.

There was a vote a few years back by the student body to possibly update the mascot to something more modern. They decided to leave salty baked dough well enough alone.

Well, Freeport is Pretzel City USA
http://pretzelcityus...

Bobby Wine?

Bingo Long?

FormerDirtDart said:

JimWa said:

I love how work an uni-watching can peacefully co-exist at times …

I know I’ve mentioned the Freeport Pretzels (Freeport High School, Freeport, IL) as one of the more unusual team names out there. I was just talking with a guy originally from Freeport, who gave the reasoning:

A long, long time ago, in a way far Chicago suburb, there was a small business owner who focused on making pretzels. A sports fan seeking a way to market his product, he offered free pretzels to all athletes after their games/matches/events. This practice became so well known, the team started being called the Pretzels.

There was a vote a few years back by the student body to possibly update the mascot to something more modern. They decided to leave salty baked dough well enough alone.

Well, Freeport is Pretzel City USA
http://pretzelcityus...

Gonna have to take that one with a grain of salt …

Priest Holmes?

KT said:

pru said:

Order an extra thousand complaint boxes for Indianapolis then.

Having spent time in both, I can say rather confidently that Indianapolis is far preferable to Jacksonville, Florida.

Jacksonville simply sucks on all possible levels.

I think your opinion of Jacksonville is a little over the top.

aflfan said:

ShaunT said:

KT said:

The NFL actually agreed some time back to insert a “cold weather city” into the rotation every several years, but, yeah, in the early years of the thing, a warm-weather locale made more sense for a lot of reasons. The Super Bowl wasn’t exactly the instant extravaganza it is today (Don Weiss – I believe – wrote a book on it that’s mildly interesting).

Anyway, after Detroit’s hosting in Jan. 1982, it didn’t happen again (a Super Bowl in a northern clime) until 1992 when Minneapolis hosted. Now once in every six or seven years (2006 Detroit, 2012 Indianapolis), a northern city is supposed to get it and they’ll live with the weather. It was, IIRC, nasty cold in Atlanta in 1999, wasn’t it? You never can tell. But involving more cities in the potential pool also has the benefit of jacking up the bidding. And the NFL doesn’t like to leave money on the table.

yeah there was a major ice storm in Atlanta that year, found this pdf of the weather from all super bowls here http://www.sercc.net.... its was 82 in san diego? good lord…

I love how they used Detroit Metro airport as the reporting station for the 82 Super Bowl. It is like 45 minutes from the Silverdome. Last year Metro got 1/2 the snow that the White Lake station (about 10 minutes from Pontiac) got.

Yeah Sky Harbor is a good 35 minutes from UofPee Stadium

I think those hats worn at media day contain a bunch of franchise-specific biographical information, in a military-esque font, next to the team name.

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

Ricko said:

Bobby Wine?

Ricko said:

Bingo Long?

Ricko said:

Priest Holmes?

jesus christ

Hott Rodd said:

aflfan said:

ShaunT said:

KT said:

The NFL actually agreed some time back to insert a “cold weather city” into the rotation every several years, but, yeah, in the early years of the thing, a warm-weather locale made more sense for a lot of reasons. The Super Bowl wasn’t exactly the instant extravaganza it is today (Don Weiss – I believe – wrote a book on it that’s mildly interesting).

Anyway, after Detroit’s hosting in Jan. 1982, it didn’t happen again (a Super Bowl in a northern clime) until 1992 when Minneapolis hosted. Now once in every six or seven years (2006 Detroit, 2012 Indianapolis), a northern city is supposed to get it and they’ll live with the weather. It was, IIRC, nasty cold in Atlanta in 1999, wasn’t it? You never can tell. But involving more cities in the potential pool also has the benefit of jacking up the bidding. And the NFL doesn’t like to leave money on the table.

yeah there was a major ice storm in Atlanta that year, found this pdf of the weather from all super bowls here http://www.sercc.net.... its was 82 in san diego? good lord…

I love how they used Detroit Metro airport as the reporting station for the 82 Super Bowl. It is like 45 minutes from the Silverdome. Last year Metro got 1/2 the snow that the White Lake station (about 10 minutes from Pontiac) got.

Yeah Sky Harbor is a good 35 minutes from UofPee Stadium

Yeah, I drove by U of P two years ago when I was in Phoenix. It is way out there.

Ricko said:

“I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.”

Quick, the All-Catholic Team (all sports)…

Dave (or Bucky) Pope.
Jose Cardenal.
Bubba Church.
Paul Brothers.
Howie Nunn.

Arch…Dioses?

Okay, anybody, take it from here…

—Ricko

How could you forget team captain Jesus Alou?
http://cardboardgods...

War Damn Eagle said:

I think those hats worn at media day contain a bunch of franchise-specific biographical information, in a military-esque font, next to the team name.

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

ok, someone break out the magnifying glass
http://www.nflshop.c...

the writing on the hats is
Colts, or Saints
National Football League
Teams Division
Team City

FormerDirtDart said:

War Damn Eagle said:

I think those hats worn at media day contain a bunch of franchise-specific biographical information, in a military-esque font, next to the team name.

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

ok, someone break out the magnifying glass
http://www.nflshop.c...

first line is “national football league”
second line is “nfc south”
third line is “new orleans, la”

right?

FormerDirtDart said:

War Damn Eagle said:

I think those hats worn at media day contain a bunch of franchise-specific biographical information, in a military-esque font, next to the team name.

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

ok, someone break out the magnifying glass
http://www.nflshop.c...

NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
NFC SOUTH
NEW ORLEANS, LA

War Damn Eagle said:

FormerDirtDart said:

War Damn Eagle said:

I think those hats worn at media day contain a bunch of franchise-specific biographical information, in a military-esque font, next to the team name.

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

ok, someone break out the magnifying glass
http://www.nflshop.c...

first line is “national football league”
second line is “nfc south”
third line is “new orleans, la”

right?

That is what I saw when I zoomed it out to 400 percent.

Johnny O said:

Here is a better pic of the draft/SB caps:

http://s147.photobuc...

Still can’t read what is in the little triangle though.

Inspired by paper football?
http://imgsrv.wklc.c...

aflfan said:

War Damn Eagle said:

FormerDirtDart said:

War Damn Eagle said:

I think those hats worn at media day contain a bunch of franchise-specific biographical information, in a military-esque font, next to the team name.

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

ok, someone break out the magnifying glass
http://www.nflshop.c...

first line is “national football league”
second line is “nfc south”
third line is “new orleans, la”

right?

That is what I saw when I zoomed it out to 400 percent.

That is what I saw when I squinted real hard, and held my eye within and inch of my monitor.
Just old school I guess

I see an NFL logo with some lines.

Strange.

FormerDirtDart said:

aflfan said:

War Damn Eagle said:

FormerDirtDart said:

War Damn Eagle said:

I think those hats worn at media day contain a bunch of franchise-specific biographical information, in a military-esque font, next to the team name.

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

http://sports.yahoo....

ok, someone break out the magnifying glass
http://www.nflshop.c...

first line is “national football league”
second line is “nfc south”
third line is “new orleans, la”

right?

That is what I saw when I zoomed it out to 400 percent.

That is what I saw when I squinted real hard, and held my eye within and inch of my monitor.
Just old school I guess

not too old school for this 25-year-old ;)

aflfan said:

Hott Rodd said:

aflfan said:

ShaunT said:

KT said:

The NFL actually agreed some time back to insert a “cold weather city” into the rotation every several years, but, yeah, in the early years of the thing, a warm-weather locale made more sense for a lot of reasons. The Super Bowl wasn’t exactly the instant extravaganza it is today (Don Weiss – I believe – wrote a book on it that’s mildly interesting).

Anyway, after Detroit’s hosting in Jan. 1982, it didn’t happen again (a Super Bowl in a northern clime) until 1992 when Minneapolis hosted. Now once in every six or seven years (2006 Detroit, 2012 Indianapolis), a northern city is supposed to get it and they’ll live with the weather. It was, IIRC, nasty cold in Atlanta in 1999, wasn’t it? You never can tell. But involving more cities in the potential pool also has the benefit of jacking up the bidding. And the NFL doesn’t like to leave money on the table.

yeah there was a major ice storm in Atlanta that year, found this pdf of the weather from all super bowls here http://www.sercc.net.... its was 82 in san diego? good lord…

I love how they used Detroit Metro airport as the reporting station for the 82 Super Bowl. It is like 45 minutes from the Silverdome. Last year Metro got 1/2 the snow that the White Lake station (about 10 minutes from Pontiac) got.

Yeah Sky Harbor is a good 35 minutes from UofPee Stadium

Yeah, I drove by U of P two years ago when I was in Phoenix. It is way out there.

Actually is right in the heart of where the population growth should have been, had the economy not tanked. I grew up just a few miles away. Now I live 60 miles away so it sucks.

JimV19 said:

Johnny O said:

Here is a better pic of the draft/SB caps:

http://s147.photobuc...

Still can’t read what is in the little triangle though.

Inspired by paper football?
http://imgsrv.wklc.c...

Great, now the NFL will claim trademark rights to paper footballs

Ry Co 40 said:

Ry Co 40 said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

merrill lynch logo? LOL

http://barneymccoy.f...

or this classic:

http://www.alexross....

p.s.
i know it’s neither (before anyone jumps all over me about it)

Good. Because it’s clearly this.

NickW said:

Squiddie said:

NickW said:

Squiddie said:

Anyone recognize these two high steppers going through their required pre-season conditioning?

Stan the Man and Red Schoendienst. GO CARDS!

Correct and here they are with their certificates.

Great find! That is a pretty cool SLU logo on that certificate too.

I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.

Here’s a photo of either Myril Hoag or George McQuinn (anyone?) with the Browns logo.

JimV19 said:

Ricko said:

“I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.”

Quick, the All-Catholic Team (all sports)…

Dave (or Bucky) Pope.
Jose Cardenal.
Bubba Church.
Paul Brothers.
Howie Nunn.

Arch…Dioses?

Okay, anybody, take it from here…

—Ricko

How could you forget team captain Jesus Alou?
http://cardboardgods...

Dave Christian

Donn Pall (aka “The Pope”)

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

Perhaps I should have said “Aviation” logo.

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar is in San Diego

No, it’s in Miramar.

Does anyone here know of a company I could send a hockey jersey to for it to get customized?

I just bought a replica team Sweden jersey from NHL.com, and when I was looking around, I was disappointed I couldn’t find one with Nicklas Backstrom’s name and number on it, so I figured I’d buy a blank one and get his name put on later.

thanks!

FormerDirtDart said:

JimV19 said:

Johnny O said:

Here is a better pic of the draft/SB caps:

http://s147.photobuc...

Still can’t read what is in the little triangle though.

Inspired by paper football?
http://imgsrv.wklc.c...

Great, now the NFL will claim trademark rights to paper footballs

They already have a game:
http://www.outdoorst...

I have an older version, http://farm5.static....
just the field, goalposts and carboard footballs with team colors and helmets on one side and a football pattern on the other.
http://farm3.static....

Don’t even have to hold up your fingers:
http://farm5.static....
They also have nets you can attach to the goalposts so you don’t get hit by the “ball,” but the nets are downstairs somewhere.

walker said:

Does anyone here know of a company I could send a hockey jersey to for it to get customized?

I just bought a replica team Sweden jersey from NHL.com, and when I was looking around, I was disappointed I couldn’t find one with Nicklas Backstrom’s name and number on it, so I figured I’d buy a blank one and get his name put on later.

thanks!

Go to the message board at icejerseys.com. A lot of collectors post on there and can give you advice.

Jersey Express in Buffalo is good for NHL customization- I’m not sure about international jerseys.

Deacon Jones?

FormerDirtDart said:

OK, thought I was seeing thing on ESPN a few minutes ago, then went searching the interweb. Anyone have a clue how long, and when, the Jets wore this helmet?
http://www.sports-au...

That was the Jets’ 1994 throwback for the NFL 75th anniversary.

Michael Bishop?
Randy Cross?
Manny Corpas?

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

Perhaps I should have said “Aviation” logo.

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar is in San Diego

No, it’s in Miramar.

Miramar is a community within the city of San Diego

JimV19 said:

FormerDirtDart said:

JimV19 said:

Johnny O said:

Here is a better pic of the draft/SB caps:

http://s147.photobuc...

Still can’t read what is in the little triangle though.

Inspired by paper football?
http://imgsrv.wklc.c...

Great, now the NFL will claim trademark rights to paper footballs

They already have a game:
http://www.outdoorst...

I have an older version, http://farm5.static....
just the field, goalposts and carboard footballs with team colors and helmets on one side and a football pattern on the other.
http://farm3.static....

Don’t even have to hold up your fingers:
http://farm5.static....
They also have nets you can attach to the goalposts so you don’t get hit by the “ball,” but the nets are downstairs somewhere.

Damn, half the fun was hitting your opponent in the face when you “kicked” a field goal

Simple question, after going through Chris Creamer’s Sports Logos. When have the Seahawks ever used this bad boy?

http://www.sportslog...

It seems almost too overly done to have ever been used, but apparently this is still a current logo.

Squiddie said:

OK, back to spring training.

Anyone want to identify this handsome mug? He was in the news some last year.

HOFer Ernie Lombardi, aka Mauer v1.0

JTH said:

JimV19 said:

Ricko said:

“I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.”

Quick, the All-Catholic Team (all sports)…

Dave (or Bucky) Pope.
Jose Cardenal.
Bubba Church.
Paul Brothers.
Howie Nunn.

Arch…Dioses?

Okay, anybody, take it from here…

—Ricko

How could you forget team captain Jesus Alou?
http://cardboardgods...

Dave Christian

Donn Pall (aka “The Pope”)

Games could be announced by John Paul Dellacamera.

Squiddie said:

Deacon Jones?

Ryan Church
Marquez Pope

Ricko said:

Bingo Long?

Bingo Smith!

Dan Pastorini?

oh boy
http://kissingsuzyko...

Preacher Roe
Jose Offerman

Squiddie said:

NickW said:

Squiddie said:

NickW said:

Squiddie said:

Anyone recognize these two high steppers going through their required pre-season conditioning?

Stan the Man and Red Schoendienst. GO CARDS!

Correct and here they are with their certificates.

Great find! That is a pretty cool SLU logo on that certificate too.

I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.

Here’s a photo of either Myril Hoag or George McQuinn (anyone?) with the Browns logo.

Can’t make out the Brownie’s logo too clearly here… but to quote Jim V: ‘I’d wear that uniform’ –

lance parrish

Kek said:

oh boy
http://kissingsuzyko...

Classic commentary:

‘Fairly obvious. Most people in New Orleans got the F out after Katrina’.

hank baskett

kneel lomax

jethro pugh

ok done

Thanks guys – Mike Hersh, Paul Wiederecht, and Larry Wiederecht – for the “wire service” work. I always like seeing a new pic of 60’s era WHite Sox uni’s. Obviously, Ed Short is holding a road jersey- anyone heard the rumor that the Sox only had the names on the road jerseys in 1960, while the home pinstripes remained NNOB? I’ve never seen proof of this, and I always thought the NOB change was applied to both in 1960.
And for your viewing pleasure here’s some White Sox players (in 62) watching Mickey Mantle take batting practice.

Did LI Phil see HIS shadow?

I think it means six more weeks of tweaks.

—Ricko

leon said:

ok done

who dat?

Are the jersey boxes used for promotional purposes or are they sent when a jersey is purchased?

Michael Emody said:

Thanks guys – Mike Hersh, Paul Wiederecht, and Larry Wiederecht – for the “wire service” work. I always like seeing a new pic of 60’s era WHite Sox uni’s. Obviously, Ed Short is holding a road jersey- anyone heard the rumor that the Sox only had the names on the road jerseys in 1960, while the home pinstripes remained NNOB? I’ve never seen proof of this, and I always thought the NOB change was applied to both in 1960.
And for your viewing pleasure here’s some White Sox players (in 62) watching Mickey Mantle take batting practice.

NOTE TO TC KNITTING AND OTHERS…
Please note the position of the stripes relative to the rear stirrup.

Thank you.

—Ricko

LI Phil said:

leon said:

ok done

who dat?

Orenthal Kenesaw Done,
brother of Juan N Done

off-topic, however

Alex said:

Are the jersey boxes used for promotional purposes or are they sent when a jersey is purchased?

I have NEVER seen a jersey box in person before. My guess is that the boxes are a limited edition, comprising the very first of a jersey’s kind.

sorry if i missed this somewhere else.

sponsor shout out- just got an interesting email from No Mas about a “sporting history” themed t-shirt design contest. winner gets $250, 10 shirts of their winning design, and then No Mas will offer the shirt on their site of course.

now lets just hope Paul doesnt out design us all.

Mike Engle said:

I have NEVER seen a jersey box in person before.

ah…but you have seen one on tv

LI Phil said:

Mike Engle said:

I have NEVER seen a jersey box in person before.

ah…but you have seen one on tv

excellent display of reastraint, li

Brad said:

sorry if i missed this somewhere else.

sponsor shout out- just got an interesting email from No Mas about a “sporting history” themed t-shirt design contest. winner gets $250, 10 shirts of their winning design, and then No Mas will offer the shirt on their site of course.

now lets just hope Paul doesnt out design us all.

How ’bout Bobby Thomson whacking a baseball filled with cows into orbit?
Y’know, “The Herd Shot ‘Round the World.”

(ooo…booo, groaner)

—Ricko

Ry Co 40 said:

Wollen1 said:

I thought I would pose this question to the smart Uni Watchers out there although it’s not uni related. My buddy and I were having a debate regarding locations for Super Bowls the other day. My position was that the NFL often chooses tourist-friendly cities like Miami and San Diego more often because they make more money when the Super Bowl is played in cities like this versus a colder climate.

He brought up a good point, however. If the Super Bowl is played in Philadelphia for instance, the game would definitely still sell out, there would be just as much money made off of the TV contract and merchandise sales wouldn’t be that much different. So why does the NFL choose the Miamis, the New Orleans’ and the San Diegos so often to play this game? Is it as simple as wthe NFL execs wanting to take a nice warm weather vacation in the middle of the winter?

super bowl 40 was in detroit

Part and parcel to the NFL’s extortion of the local taxpayers for a new stadium to replace the 30 year old stadium they could no longer bear to play in. The carrot and the stick.

The “carrot” is the alleged tens on millions of dollars brought to the local economy if we, the NFL, “give” you a Superbowl. But they will only do so if you build a new stadium to the tune of HUNDREDS of millions of dollars.

If you do not want the carrot, the NFL will then use the “stick”, or a threat of moving your team to Los Angeles …. And so it goes.

Wollen1 said:

I’ve gotta say that the price on the Otto Raiders jacket gave me my best laugh of 2010. Yeah pal, you’re gonna get a half a mil from somebody for this jacket. I also like the ‘buy it now’ option where for a mere extra $100,000.00 you can skip the whole annoying auction process. It’s almost worth ruining my eBay rating to put a bid on this thing and tell the guy to go jump in a lake when he comes to collect. Simply hilarious.

Ha Ha!!!!

Best, most diabolical, yet justified UW comment I have seen for ages!!!

Samuel said:

Watching Super Bowl media day and Drew Brees is wearing the Saints white tops with gold pants. That’s what the Saints are wearing for the SB.
That means that the Colts will wear their home unis of blue tops with white pants on Sunday.

Thank Heavens, no Black Leotards for my beloved Saints!!!

The Colts are 2-0 when wearing White jerseys in SuperBowl, and they are 0-1 when wearing Blue jerseys. Every little bit of Karma helps ….

Who Dat !!!

Nick said:

Wollen1 said:

I’ve gotta say that the price on the Otto Raiders jacket gave me my best laugh of 2010. Yeah pal, you’re gonna get a half a mil from somebody for this jacket. I also like the ‘buy it now’ option where for a mere extra $100,000.00 you can skip the whole annoying auction process. It’s almost worth ruining my eBay rating to put a bid on this thing and tell the guy to go jump in a lake when he comes to collect. Simply hilarious.

Ha Ha!!!!

Best, most diabolical, yet justified UW comment I have seen for ages!!!

Wow! My only known complete collection of every issue of that WHA tabloid, The Hockey Spectator, in mint condition must be worth, like, a gazillion dollars, huh.

—Ricko

KT said:

The NFL actually agreed some time back to insert a “cold weather city” into the rotation every several years, but, yeah, in the early years of the thing, a warm-weather locale made more sense for a lot of reasons. The Super Bowl wasn’t exactly the instant extravaganza it is today (Don Weiss – I believe – wrote a book on it that’s mildly interesting).

Anyway, after Detroit’s hosting in Jan. 1982, it didn’t happen again (a Super Bowl in a northern clime) until 1992 when Minneapolis hosted. Now once in every six or seven years (2006 Detroit, 2012 Indianapolis), a northern city is supposed to get it and they’ll live with the weather. It was, IIRC, nasty cold in Atlanta in 1999, wasn’t it? You never can tell. But involving more cities in the potential pool also has the benefit of jacking up the bidding. And the NFL doesn’t like to leave money on the table.

I believe that they would play outdoors in Minnesota in TWO DEGREES WITH SLEET if they could extort a Billion Dollar stadium out of the deal !!!!

Ricko said:

Nick said:

Wollen1 said:

I’ve gotta say that the price on the Otto Raiders jacket gave me my best laugh of 2010. Yeah pal, you’re gonna get a half a mil from somebody for this jacket. I also like the ‘buy it now’ option where for a mere extra $100,000.00 you can skip the whole annoying auction process. It’s almost worth ruining my eBay rating to put a bid on this thing and tell the guy to go jump in a lake when he comes to collect. Simply hilarious.

Ha Ha!!!!

Best, most diabolical, yet justified UW comment I have seen for ages!!!

Wow! My only known complete collection of every issue of that WHA tabloid, The Hockey Spectator, in mint condition must be worth, like, a gazillion dollars, huh.

—Ricko

Just bump up the price by another $100,000.00 so I can use the “Buy it Now” option – I don’t want to take a chance ….

Adam said:

Squiddie said:

OK, back to spring training.

Anyone want to identify this handsome mug? He was in the news some last year.

HOFer Ernie Lombardi, aka Mauer v1.0

Correct! Featured prominently in a set of photographs of the Reds 1939 training camp.

Nick said:

I believe that they would play outdoors in Minnesota in TWO DEGREES WITH SLEET if they could extort a Billion Dollar stadium out of the deal !!!!

even putting a bowl game in texas doesn’t guarantee warm weather…granted, this was the cotton bowl…aka the ‘chicken soup bowl’…

and if you watch super bowl highlights of one of the game held at tulane (vikes/stillers, i think)…it was pretty cold in n’awlins then too

and of course, you had rain the last time the super bowl was in miama

best place, obviously, is likely to be san diego, but thus far, the nfl has been unable to extract a billion dollar stadium out of the public, so what does the nfl do? that’s right, basically fucks them over

i forget which one it was (maybe the last one, cuz it was madden and michaels calling it) that was held there…was like a beautiful 75 degrees and madden (god bless his turducken heart) kept harping on “how beautiful” it was while you could almost hear the fists smacking the tables in the nfl suites and you KNOW in the control room there were throat slashing gestures being made in regard to madden’s mike

if you build it, the nfl will come

MPowers1634 said:

matt in cleveland said:

The Jeff said:

aflfan said:

LI Phil said:

dammit

You do understand that it really doesn’t matter if that rodent views his shadow or doesn’t view his shadow, Spring doesn’t offically start until March 21st which is about 6 1/2 weeks away.

Just be glad they haven’t overcommercialized it like every other holiday. Imagine stores filled with chocolate groundhogs and plastic inflatable groundhog homes to put in your yard.

i totally forgot it was groundhog day…? anyone ever been to penn for groundhog day ? is it like a raging party of quakers or what?

the butters a churnin today, boy!
They might even get their carriages up to 8 mph!

Phil…they haven”t got any electricity!

Such an obvious butter aficionado should be appreciative of our work…

Hey, if you go to Google Images and type in “river valley baseball”, the second image will feature a player with shoulder stripes (Colts, LSU, UCLA) on his BASEBALL jersey! This is the first time that I’ve seen this, but have baseball teams done this before? Also, is it possible that you guys at Uni Watch could do a column about Drum Corp International (DCI) uniforms? I mentioned this before, and I know that I sound like a broken record (sorry), but I just wanted to get it out there. Just make sure to call them “CORPS”, not “BANDS”. Thanks!

Lookie, lookie:

http://25.media.tumb...

Calling Ricko… http://minneapolis.c...

My wife will not let me have them.

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

Perhaps I should have said “Aviation” logo.

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar is in San Diego

No, it’s in Miramar.

Miramar is a community within the city of San Diego

“I gotta send somebody from this squadron to Miramar”

http://www.entertone...

FormerDirtDart said:

Damn, half the fun was hitting your opponent in the face when you “kicked” a field goal

This guy may not agree:
http://s.buzzfed.com...

Terry said:

Hey, if you go to Google Images and type in “river valley baseball”, the second image will feature a player with shoulder stripes (Colts, LSU, UCLA) on his BASEBALL jersey! This is the first time that I’ve seen this, but have baseball teams done this before? Also, is it possible that you guys at Uni Watch could do a column about Drum Corp International (DCI) uniforms? I mentioned this before, and I know that I sound like a broken record (sorry), but I just wanted to get it out there. Just make sure to call them “CORPS”, not “BANDS”. Thanks!

Like the DCI angle. Phantom Regiment consistently has the best attire.

LI Phil said:

Nick said:

I believe that they would play outdoors in Minnesota in TWO DEGREES WITH SLEET if they could extort a Billion Dollar stadium out of the deal !!!!

even putting a bowl game in texas doesn’t guarantee warm weather…granted, this was the cotton bowl…aka the ‘chicken soup bowl’…

and if you watch super bowl highlights of one of the game held at tulane (vikes/stillers, i think)…it was pretty cold in n’awlins then too

and of course, you had rain the last time the super bowl was in miama

best place, obviously, is likely to be san diego, but thus far, the nfl has been unable to extract a billion dollar stadium out of the public, so what does the nfl do? that’s right, basically fucks them over

i forget which one it was (maybe the last one, cuz it was madden and michaels calling it) that was held there…was like a beautiful 75 degrees and madden (god bless his turducken heart) kept harping on “how beautiful” it was while you could almost hear the fists smacking the tables in the nfl suites and you KNOW in the control room there were throat slashing gestures being made in regard to madden’s mike

if you build it, the nfl will come

Regarding Super Bowl weather, the only places in the US where you would be virtually guaranteed decently warm weather would be Southern California, South Florida or Hawaii. That’s it.

There is a mistaken belief that southeastern cities are warm in Winter, and that just isn’t the case. If you get lucky, you catch a place like Atlanta or Dallas in early February between cold fronts and maybe get temps in the 60’s – but catch them during a front, and you could easily be looking at an ice storm.

Hell, even Houston can get bitterly cold several times during the course of a normal winter.

JTH said:

Matt D. said:

What’s the deal with Luis Aparicio wearing #33? He usually wore #11.

That struck me as well. My first thought was that it was a demo jersey to show what it would look like with the biggest number possible, width-wise combined with the longest name on the roster.

But 55 would actually have been wider across the top (wasn’t anybody gonna wear #77 in 1960) and Aparicio wouldn’t have been the longest name.

Any chance Luis had a younger brother in the Sox’ system? Could his father or uncle have been a coach?

Luis Aparicio Sr also played shortstop in the Venezuelan pro-league for a long time. Some (actually, most people who saw him) say that he was far better than Little Louie. However, he never made it to the States because he was afraid of flying. The Maracaibo stadium is named after Sr. (Luis Aparicio el Grande).

A short blurb on him appears on this page about Jr.
http://iml.jou.ufl.e...

Ricko said:

“I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.”

Quick, the All-Catholic Team (all sports)…

Dave (or Bucky) Pope.
Jose Cardenal.
Bubba Church.
Paul Brothers.
Howie Nunn.

Arch…Dioses?

Okay, anybody, take it from here…

—Ricko

God Shammgod

Anyone know what the mark under the C is in Pierre Garçon’s name? I know there’s a proper name for it but it’s driving me nuts not knowing. Is he the first player to ever have that mark on his NOB?

Paul, did you ever bid on that teletype machine from ebay? I lost the link to the original listing.

Patrick in MI said:

Anyone know what the mark under the C is in Pierre Garçon’s name? I know there’s a proper name for it but it’s driving me nuts not knowing. Is he the first player to ever have that mark on his NOB?

Paul, did you ever bid on that teletype machine from ebay? I lost the link to the original listing.

cedilla

The Baseball Cube, which has a picture of the hat of the team which the player plays, has the elmer fudd version of the White Sox for Gordon Beckham http://www.thebaseba...

ShaunT said:

The Baseball Cube, which has a picture of the hat of the team which the player plays, has the elmer fudd version of the White Sox for Gordon Beckham http://www.thebaseba...

looks like thats the automatic hat for any white…sock?

Bob from Akron said:

Ricko said:

“I’m a big fan of when teams use the Apotheosis of St. Louis in their logos. It was the defacto symbol of the city until the Arch was built. Dig that old Browns logo in the link.”

Quick, the All-Catholic Team (all sports)…

Dave (or Bucky) Pope.
Jose Cardenal.
Bubba Church.
Paul Brothers.
Howie Nunn.

Arch…Dioses?

Okay, anybody, take it from here…

—Ricko

God Shammgod

Ooh, forgot about him.
http://www.youtube.c...

From where in Akron is Bob from Akron?

Hey Ricko,

Do you remember this game. My dad and I were talking about sports games we had when I was a kid and he brought up this one? I remember playing it with him on our living room floor.

http://www.boardgame...

did anyone ever say howard cross?

Look what I found on Amazon

http://www.amazon.co...

“Minneapolis Twins?” Looks like a mistake by whoever was typing for the wire photo. AFAIK they’ve always been named after the state.

aflfan said:

Hey Ricko,

Do you remember this game. My dad and I were talking about sports games we had when I was a kid and he brought up this one? I remember playing it with him on our living room floor.

http://www.boardgame...

I got one of those at a flea market and gave it to my brother. Nice little game.

LI Phil said:

did anyone ever say howard cross?

Or Irv Cross?

aflfan said:

Look what I found on Amazon

http://www.amazon.co...

Take a look at the closeup photo. They put the yard-line numbers facing the wrong way.

The Tudor/Miggle games were better. Get one of those off eBay and don’t bother with the new version.

JimV19 said:

aflfan said:

Look what I found on Amazon

http://www.amazon.co...

Take a look at the closeup photo. They put the yard-line numbers facing the wrong way.

The Tudor/Miggle games were better. Get one of those off eBay and don’t bother with the new version.

I was just looking around. Wasn’t gonna buy. Some day when my nephew is older then I will be looking.

aflfan said:

JimV19 said:

aflfan said:

Look what I found on Amazon

http://www.amazon.co...

Take a look at the closeup photo. They put the yard-line numbers facing the wrong way.

The Tudor/Miggle games were better. Get one of those off eBay and don’t bother with the new version.

I was just looking around. Wasn’t gonna buy. Some day when my nephew is older then I will be looking.

Check with me first. I have this http://images.boardg... over at my brother’s house. I doubt he’ll ever use it and I have a different one at my place.

JimV19 said:

aflfan said:

JimV19 said:

aflfan said:

Look what I found on Amazon

http://www.amazon.co...

Take a look at the closeup photo. They put the yard-line numbers facing the wrong way.

The Tudor/Miggle games were better. Get one of those off eBay and don’t bother with the new version.

I was just looking around. Wasn’t gonna buy. Some day when my nephew is older then I will be looking.

Check with me first. I have this http://images.boardg... over at my brother’s house. I doubt he’ll ever use it and I have a different one at my place.

Thanks Jim, It will be quite a while he is only 16 months old right now.

Bernard said:

Such an obvious butter aficionado should be appreciative of our work…

I don’t often do this, but…

El Oh El.

– Jay Tee Aitch

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yeah, I know. What the hell am I laughing about?

aflfan said:

Thanks Jim, It will be quite a while he is only 16 months old right now.

The earlier you start them, the better…especially before video games. I started at 3 or 4, but you may want to get a crappy game first for that age. Check the thrift stores. Even if the electricity doesn’t work, you can drum your fingers on the board. We had to do that when Dad couldn’t stand the buzzing sound.

I like how the Biletnikoff jersey is described as a “Game Worn Prototype.”

LI Phil said:

did anyone ever say howard cross?

I actually met Howard Cross last week at a funeral

JimV19 said:

LI Phil said:

did anyone ever say howard cross?

Or Irv Cross?

or Randy Cross?

aflfan said:

JimV19 said:

LI Phil said:

did anyone ever say howard cross?

Or Irv Cross?

or Randy Cross?

Irving Fryar

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

FormerDirtDart said:

jesse said:

The funny thing about the San Diego “military” logo, is that it’s based on an Army Air Corp/Air Force logo, while San Diego is a Navy/Marine town.

Hmmm…I wonder why this Navy F/A-18 has it on it?
http://www.allbestwa...

Perhaps I should have said “Aviation” logo.

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar is in San Diego

No, it’s in Miramar.

No, there is no “Miramar”, California. The neighborhood in San Diego in which MCAS Miramar is located is actually named “Mira Mesa.” (I’m originally from San Diego.)

Oh, plenty of Abbot(t)s in MLB:

Jim, Jeff, Kyle, Kurt, Paul…

The All-Catholic (or Religion) Team would be run by Paul “The Pope” Owens if he were still living.

did anyone say priest holmes?

/prolly

anyone say art monk yet?

Add Rick Upchurch to the All-Religion team.



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