“Global Warming”, which is now frequently called “Climate Change” to account for the recent decline in global temperatures, has come to be a hotly contested issue. Are there valid concerns that we should consider, or is “Global Warming” just the latest manufactured crisis to cash in on the public’s fears and generate new support for global governance, global carbon taxes and other oppressive policies?
Just like many of his supporters, Ron Paul took a long, hard look at the issue, and after careful consideration, and even before the release of the “Climategate” emails in late 2009, he identified the artificial panic around “Global Warming” as an elaborate hoax:
“The greatest hoax I think that has been around for many, many years if not hundreds of years has been this hoax on [...] global warming.” – Ron Paul on Fox Business, Nov. 4, 2009
“[The Copenhagen treaty on climate change] can’t help the economy. It has to hurt the economy and it can’t possibly help the environment because they’re totally off track on that. It might turn out to be one of the biggest hoaxes of all history, this whole global warming terrorism that they’ve been using, but we’ll have to just wait and see, but it cannot be helpful. It’s going to hurt everybody.” – Ron Paul on the Alex Jones Show, Nov. 5, 2009
On November 20, 2008 Ron Paul said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:
“I try to look at global warming the same way I look at all other serious issues: as objectively and open-minded as possible. There is clear evidence that the temperatures in some parts of the globe are rising, but temperatures are cooling in other parts. The average surface temperature had risen for several decades, but it fell back substantially in the past few years.
Clearly there is something afoot. The question is: Is the upward fluctuation in temperature man-made or part of a natural phenomenon. Geological records indicate that in the 12th century, Earth experienced a warming period during which Greenland was literally green and served as rich farmland for Nordic peoples. There was then a mini ice age, the polar ice caps grew, and the once-thriving population of Greenland was virtually wiped out.
It is clear that the earth experiences natural cycles in temperature. However, science shows that human activity probably does play a role in stimulating the current fluctuations.
The question is: how much? Rather than taking a “sky is falling” approach, I think there are common-sense steps we can take to cut emissions and preserve our environment. I am, after all, a conservative and seek to conserve not just American traditions and our Constitution, but our natural resources as well.
We should start by ending subsidies for oil companies. And we should never, ever go to war to protect our perceived oil interests. If oil were allowed to rise to its natural price, there would be tremendous market incentives to find alternate sources of energy. At the same time, I can’t support government “investment” in alternative sources either, for this is not investment at all.
Government cannot invest, it can only redistribute resources. Just look at the mess government created with ethanol. Congress decided that we needed more biofuels, and the best choice was ethanol from corn. So we subsidized corn farmers at the expense of others, and investment in other types of renewables was crowded out.
Now it turns out that corn ethanol is inefficient, and it actually takes more energy to produce the fuel than you get when you burn it. The most efficient ethanol may come from hemp, but hemp production is illegal and there has been little progress on hemp ethanol. And on top of that, corn is now going into our gas tanks instead of onto our tables or feeding our livestock or dairy cows; so food prices have been driven up. This is what happens when we allow government to make choices instead of the market; I hope we avoid those mistakes moving forward.”
For an environmental insider’s view on the “Green Agenda” and its background and motivations check out The Green Agenda.
People yes its true, that the Global warming is a hoax it was created by a Canadian, guy named Maurice Strong who is hiding in Hong Kong , and the Rothchilds,if you dont know who Rothchilds are just type them on Google.
Now dont be fooled in thinking were not polluting the Earth, with all kinds of Chemicals Carbon, Co2 you name it, we all need to clean up are acts, and change being Greedy sell ing out a healthy Earth for a dollar, in the Industrial business oriented world we live in clean our back yard first
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You’re right, global warming is fake. There is something fishy going on in Copenhagen. From what I have read, a climate tax has been proposed. That is not good.
I don’t believe your supporting arguments, however. Who is to say that the hole in the Antarctic’s ozone layer HASN’T been growing for centuries? Who is to say what is going on today hasn’t happened in the past? Global climate change is a relatively new field of study, and the technology to develop the ideas have not been in play up until recently.
You can argue that industrial-grade fossil fuel consumption hasn’t been around forever. I can tell you this:
1) Big storms have probably been around forever.
2) The weather has been changing since forever ago, I’m almost positive that the weather has been changing since before humans came about.
What about the sun? We don’t hear much about it anymore. Maybe solar flares change the climate more than cars? Any natural disaster will seem more deadly now since, simply, there are more people living at those areas.
It’s good we are switching to less emissions, overall. I just really don’t see any proof that humans are a direct cause of “global climate change”. Global climate has been changing forever.
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Hello Mr. Berg
Sorry for not be to clear on my response, yes \I do agree with a lot of what your saying,, To clarify ” I don’t believe, in the Global warming which was manufactured, for profit”, Yes the Earth does go threw cycles naturally.yes I understand, Why aren’t people talking more about the possibility of solar flares being a possible issue
Now all I was stating was pollution does exist,
case in point the high levels of mercury in fish, the hydrocarbons which are chemicals being released into the air we breathe from factories ,the pesticides on fruits and vegetables that people eat
Garlic juice makes a good pesticide why arent more of the public using this as a pesticide?
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Tony,
Oh I gotchya, my mistake. Your opinion is excellent, I agree why can’t we put what we have already to good use.
Probably politics as usual. The research company gives money to the lobbyist for their cause, allowing the pesticide to be sold on the market cheaper. Thus in turn the farmer will not grow garlic on the little space he has to grow extra crops, knowing that it will be more expensive and less productive than the good stuff.
In the corn belt of Illinois we have japanese beetles, which were originally brought in by the University (funded by USDA) to eat soybean aphids. This was all fine and dandy the first year (2006). Then the second summer came around (2007), and there were no more soybean aphids left for the japanese beetles to eat, so they started eating soybean, oak, maple, ash, and any other kind of leaf they could land on and reproduced like nothing I’ve ever seen before.
Then it was learned as common knowledge the pesticide Seven could take care of a few swarms of beetles in one bottle. Literally, we would attach it to a garden hose and hundreds of thousands would fall and die from the trees, just from 1 bottle.
Who knows what the right answer is. Lack of government intervention looks like a great start.
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Global warming is a farce. The CRU leaked emails are absolute proof of that fact.
Catastrophy Bonds are the source of the income for those that plan these massive catastrophies like 9/11. Field McConnell is suing Maurice Strong and others for their participation in 9/11. Visit http://www.abeldanger.blogspot.com and learn about the Modus operandi of the cabel running this country. This is a rudimentary understanding I have of http://www.abeldanger.blogspot.com Listen to the audios interviews there and keep listening till the pieces fit together.
K. I will try. Field McConnell Dave Hawkins and a team of researches called Captain Sherlock have uncovered a murder for hire network at the highest levels of our government. This is a long story with many parts and I will try to make it as simple as possible for you. See if this helps: 1. The EPA made a rule that living beings can only expire… See More at 350 Part per Million of CO2. Problem is that all living creatures exhale at 40,000 parts per million Co2. That may seem innocent in and of itself. 2. Boeing installed Uninterpretable auto pilots that operate on the KU band which is broadcast from North Western University. 3. The installation of Uninterpretable Auto pilots means that someone else can control the plane and the pilot then has no input nor can the pilot communicate with tower to tell them what is going on. 4. It is illegal for Boeing to install these UAP onto Commercial jets, they can only be installed upon Military applications. 5. Al Gore, Michelle Obama and were in control of the algorithms created by North Western University that were used to control the air planes. 6. (I am having a hell of a time trying to do this but I hope this is working for you. I really want you to get into this and trust me and listen untill you understand and see the picture). When the EPA lowered the Allowable limit of Co2 in air, they also monitor CO2 in flying planes. So the computer is recording always an error message and sending it back to the computer. The plane is registering an violation of Co2 acceptable limits as people breath out 40,000 part per million of Co2 well over the 350 part per million allowed by the rule of the EPA. The computer program is called an Algorithm and it is a program (formed by Al Gore and .Michelle Obama) and others that takes info fed into it to make a decision. If a person wanted to take out a target, then they would monitor where that person was flying and then send a signal to the computer and the computer would read the instruction and then send back the Violations of co2 acceptable limit to the main computer and then that may be enough to send the ‘kill’ signal to the plane which then would take over the plane by the Uninterpretable auto Pilot which would disengage the actual human pilot and then appear to make a Pilot error and crash the plane. This is really worth understanding. It is hard to listen to and it is complex but I am swimming in this information and am really seeing the validity of it. There is so much more to this and I am really scratching the surface.
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Fred,
I believe in God. I also believe in the USA. I respect your right to have your athiest and communist views, even though I do not agree with them.
So why do you not respect other peoples’ opinions? This makes your comments seem like they have no purpose whatsoever.
You should be more forgiving on your fellow Americans because if it weren’t for people like us on this forum, you very well might have been serving under the swastika in today’s society.
Berg
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People like you? You mean draft dodgers and conspiracy theorists.
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OK, Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist, but I am certainly not a draft dodger! Oh well.
Go collect your food stamps & welfare checks and hang out with your buddy Ahmadenijad in Iran. I’m sure he would love to hear what you have to say!
I will keep paying my fair share of taxes, and I will continue NOT posting negative comments towards all of the good people on this forum.
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The Libertarian ranks have the biggest collection of Atheists around, and Libertarians empower the Communists at the voting booth. And you accuse me of being an Atheist and Communist? Oh gee wiz, aren’t you confused.
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Behind every label is a human being. Get in touch with your humanity and talk of issues instead of labels.
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I have been abducted by Jewish aliens, they control my thoughts, it’s too late for me. SAVE YOURSELVES!
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Wait….
What I meant to say was I am a piece of trash that shouldn’t be posting on this web site.
My nose is so high in the air, I can’t even smell my own farts!
I am Fred the Protectionist, and I am a piece of sh&t.
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pUUUUuuuh-thetic. Can’t win an argument the normal way, now you are going to post under my name and pretend you are me.
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Ok, I’m done feeding the troll. Maybe if we ignore him, Freddy the parasite will go away.
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Awe you make me sad.
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First I want to say I do believe humans are having a huge negative impact on the planet.
Second I want to point out that the earth will survive just fine without us.
If I can live in such a way that I do not use up our natural resources and can be independent, then I’m for that.
I don’t have to pay anyone, even the government, for my solar power.
I don’t have to pay anyone, even the government, for my rain harvested (clean) water.
And I don’t have to pay anyone, even the government, for the food from my garden.
But what I can’t be, which the government can’t claim, is wasteful of my resources.
thousands of years (of not millions) of sequestered carbon from thousands (if not millions) of trees released into the atmosphere in only a hundred years will have its impact. I don’t need a scientist to run those numbers for me.
They are self evident.
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“Hi i’m a Libertarian. I believe in Global Warming because it sounds scientific and I believe science and religion are mutually exclusive, I hate God, so therefore it must be true.
Sure I believe the world will be covered in a scientific (not Godly) Armageddon, hopefully in 2012 cause the Mayans had great calendars and they weren’t Christians, and I believe billions of Earthlings will die in a torrent of bad weather. Although I believe in Global Warming I won’t lift a manicured finger to do anything about it, cause i’m greedy.”
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If you think everybody agrees with GW then you haven’t been here very long.
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Most Libertarians believe in Global Warming, but they won’t do anything about it cause they are greedy selfish bastards.
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What I meant to say was I believe in Global Warming because I know it is fake.
Because I am a liberal and a communist, you should worship me. I can never be a greedy selfish bastard! My poop does NOT stink!!!
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Grow up.
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The trees need CO2. You see, it’s the great lie being perpetrated that we don’t need CO2. Humans breathe it out and the trees love it. The balance of the eco-system that was set up and designed long before we got here.
There is an environmental movement that has been going on long before Al Gore and Mr. Obama and their cronies found a way to get rich off the Green Movement with the purchase of stocks in these so-called green companies. They have tried to confuse and heist the environmental movement. Big corporations and the government are responsible for a great many ills to this world by their business practices, the products they produce and their policies. Corps and govts are responsible for the cleanup, to change their ways. They create scarcity in a world of plenty, pollution, poverty, tons of waste all for corporate profit with planned obsolescence and the use of sweatshops, depriving many of their homes, jobs and decent way of life. The govt and corporations lie is nothing more than a bailout. The corporate business structure is chosen for the simple fact that it allows those in charge to be irresponsible, while making others (you and me) ultra-responsible for their mistakes.
Big corporations and the government would like you to believe you are a problem (and not them), that humanity itself is a problem. Take what the corps and the govt say and turn it around, then you will find the truth. We are to learn to share this earth and respect it, and not to the point of devastation of the earth or humanity. Respect for all life.
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No, you’d rather have your little HAARP-FED conspiracy theories.
FACE REALITY! Heck I was a Libertarian once upon a time, and I broke out of the Libertarian-delusion, IT CAN BE DONE! If I can do it, you can do it.
HAARP…gawd. Do you know how retarded that is. Ever hear of specific heat capacity?
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Do you talk to yourself often? This could be a problem.
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psssst buddy, Art Bell is entertainment fictional radio, not to be taken seriously.
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Fred, I have been reading your posts on global warming for sometime now you sir are just as big of ass as the rest of global elitist that are trying to brainwash society.You know nothing about the state of affairs this country is currenty indulging in and have no polictical account as to why we are in the state that we are confronting now. The libertarian party did not start the SS ponzi scheme that was the progressives hence the liberals.
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No you haven’t “been reading your posts on global warming”, cause if you had you’d realize I already called it a hoax. Not a conspiracy (conspiracies don’t exist), but a hoax, a fraud, a bastardization of science for political gain.
And you Libertarians believe it, but you won’t do anything about it cause it might cost you money. So you’re doubly wrong, first by believing in it, second for refusing to contribute to solve something you believe in.
MEGA FAIL.
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Where do you get this stuff?
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Awe don’t play dumb…….uh…never mind.
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Please quit feeding the troll. He’ll only go on.
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Is our govt really concerned about global warming, the earth and the people? Why then is there a govt weather modification program funded through national defense that is harming the earth and the people? By a treaty, nations have agreed not to use this technology as a weapon. Have they forgotten or is there a loophole?
HAARP At Work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jV6Dhza2G0&feature=related
HAARP IN IRAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSABjN7gZyg
HAARP Holes in Heaven Part 1/6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dT1UUXNgMA&NR=1
Angels Still Don’t Play This HAARP_1/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jOqfmN_3vA&feature=related
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Perhaps global warming is just a way to get a fund going to pay for all the NWO’s/govt’s demo work, when the military goes into countries following a “natural disaster” as they use HAARP (U.S. weather modification program) around the world?
The HAARP Induction Magnetometer Jan 11th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmTEt0UOUQY&feature=related
The HAARP Induction Magnetometer Jan 12th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Iye5RaKSQ&feature=related
Haiti Possible H.A.A.R.P Target (what does HAARP do?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp6F9-GPT4k&feature=related
1977 treaty saying we would not use this type of technology as a weapon.
Did HAARP weapon cause Haiti Earthquake killing thousands ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhJfkh0e3l0&feature=related
Sky changed colors before 2008 earthquake in China
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiZbT5U3IQk&feature=related
Earthquakes Worldwide, daily (Chile, California, Alaska, Tawain and others)
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php
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HAARP, lol, I haven’t heard that term since I last listened to Art Bell.
Hey how are the Shadow People doing these days. They are seen at the corner of your vision, DONT LOOK! They will disappear.
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I agree one hundred percent that the HAARP is causing all these earthquakes.It seems like there is an earthquake every 2 days somewhere on the planet.All this precipitation is not normal wheather.It is all being caused for the purpose of controlling the masses .Shut the HAARP off .
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Was it the 70’s or 80’s that the rain in Southern California was much worse than it is now? I was only a kid then but I remember the flooded corners and deadly channels.
There are several earthquakes somewhere on the planet every day and I believe they tend to come in clusters (several in a short time). We’ve been waiting for the “big one” in Southern California at least since I was a kid. Earthquakes are nothing new or unusual. Anticipating a bigger one is nothing new.
How soon will the US government be blamed for the San Francisco quake in 1906? (Shh … don’t give Hugo any ideas!) I’m sure someone somewhere has proof that the government uses time travel as a weapon. There is probably a secret brigade of phonebooths in the deserts of Arizona.
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The money coming from taxpayers to fund the federal government’s programs, such as HAARP, need to be shut off.
The more revenue streams big government creates (healthcare, IRS, FED, robbing the people’s money from social security and medicaid, their homes, their jobs, their businesses, the defense fund 2.6 trillion missing and unaccounted for, any of them) the more money they have to fund these wicked programs of destruction and to fund their projects such as 9/11. This federal govt is not the government of our American Republic. It’s something else. They say that a democracy is mob rule. Believe it. That’s why our founding forefathers created a Republic, not a democracy. A republic values the individual’s rights. A democracy values their own mob rules. They are insane when it comes to money, drugs, war, killing, control over everyone and everything. And Rockefeller and Bush says the NWO has a real chance to bring about world peace. Tell me how logical or likely is it for someone who has these plots and plans on their mind, to continuously terrorize people worldwide, to have made these things their life’s work, a history of them for more than 60 years, to all of a sudden bring peace to this world? The elite live in self-delusion.
We bring peace by being peaceful.
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Well said Christine, The truth shall set you free.
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We are a generation that has grown up insulated from the issues of survival that are very clear in the underdeveloped parts of the globe. We realize we spend most of our time focused on issues that have nothing to do with life, maybe not consciously, but certain below the conscious level. Thus we are not confident as human beings in the survival sense. That makes us prone to fear about anything that might disrupt a perceived baseline of comfort.
With the passage of the 16th amendment we became enslaved to the interest on the national debt. Ever cent of income tax goes to pay down that debt. And it’s a debt we shouldn’t even have because congress could have issued the money without paying interest in the first place. How does this relate to global warming?
As a nation, we rush from one panic to another because we feel like we’re out of control of our lives. That, at least, is true. The masters are the powers behind the federal reserve. Watch the Money Masters on youtube, the 22 part series and you’ll see exactly what has happened, why it has happened and the fraud perpetrated on the american public. Global warming is just the latest tactic of fear, unconfirmed by any good science but backed by global ‘one-world-order’ interests. And those folks? They have direct ties to a one currency plan, a one government plan, all controlled by a central bank directing all other central banks. It is power lust at its worst.
Wealth is not destroyed by collapse. It merely changes hands. And guess which bloody hands they are. For a cause and effect understanding, watch the money masters on youtube.
Ron Paul is our best hope.
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Thank the free traders for the 16th amendment, they removed tariffs and replaced it with income taxes. The free traders love taxing American income and give a free pass to foreign business, because the free traders are traitors. Free traders like Ron Paul.
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We are certainly suffering from ‘climate change’ — with every change of the seasons. Perhaps we should consider a global seasonal tax to lessen the effects of these changes.
Can I puke now?
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Thankfully the free traders pushed tens of millions of voters out of the Republican Party and into the Democratic Party by costing them their jobs. Now you will have to endure Enviro-Communism. Enjoy, ‘you people’ enabled the Enviro-Commies.
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So people should not vote for the best individual if it interferes with the party line?
You realize, don’t you, that most of those people “pushed out” felt they didn’t leave the party but the party left them.
Besides, was it really RP’s fault that neither the republican or democrats provided a viable alternative? I’m sorry you can’t sleep well in the bed you made, but quit blaming others.
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Who cares who YOU voted for. Your a minority of a minority, Libertarians don’t count.
I’m talking about the TENS OF MILLIONS of Americans who lost their job (of voting age), who no longer vote for the Libertarians who usurped the Republican party with their Trade ‘Liberalization’ (free trade/open borders). And i’d guess many of those now vote Democrat cause they’re better at populism, so it’s a double wammy, losing tens of millions and the Democrats gaining tens of millions.
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This is in regards to jasons comment.
So, were all idiots becouse we believe in respecting the only enviroment were subjected to. Think about what you said, and get back to me.
You made some good conspiracie theories about microwaves and ion charged whatevers, but global warming isnt a conspiracie theorie, its bappening. Not at the rapid microbial pace that politicians use to refocuse the LCD’s, but its happening.
I’ll agree with you though about the polarities being insufficient, and something has to be done.
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You say global warming is “happening.” I say that’s complete bullshit. I have actually read roughly 1/3 of the Climate Research Unit’s emails. I can follow their conversation. They have cherry-picked the data. They have reviewed their own colleagues’ manuscripts that were submitted for publication. They debated over the best way to create the famous “Hockey Stick” graph so it would have “maximum visual impact.” They managed to get at least one editor of a journal fired because he dared disagree with them. They strung a bunch of correlation statistics together and came up with dire predictions for what would happen within the next 90 years—-with 33-64% certainty. That’s not certainty that is accepted as “scientific.” Scientific certainty requires 95% confidence.
In addition to their questionable science, these guys were/are heavily connected with a variety of screwballs who would give us a world government that would level the incomes for everyone—-worldwide. They would, if they could, limit car ownership to the “Singapore model.” Google that and see what you get. These are statists of the most vile kind—-politicized scientists who will lie to you to get what they want. This group envisions a technocracy that is controlled by scientists, computer experts, engineers and an army of state bureaucrats.
Call it “global warming.” Call it “climate change.” It doesn’t matter. It’s the same turd in a new box—-and it is definitely not “happening,” as you say.
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scientists said not too long ago that the polar ice caps are melting exponentiallyand faster than they had anticipated that would head us for a iceless north polar sea in ten years-I hink that global warming is a global hoax if you see it from the point of view that humans are the sole source of the problem,which of course is nonsense,but there are other factors such as increased solar flares and decreased gravitational field strength,an ozone hole over the north pole ect. Besides high altitude spraying of barium to electrify the atmosphere from manipulation of the ionisophere. As well cellular towers pumping out massive amounts of microwave radiation causing the release of heat energy from protons. Yea were only cutting down too many trees and not replacing them and industrial smoke stacks pollute with various nefarious chemicals and we are too slow to switch to hydrogen. However we dont need a global consortium of hippocrites telling us how to Run the country if they wont subject themselves to the same rigorous standards simultaneously.We have far too many resources to make safer fuels for the environment towards lower greenhouse emissions,fuelcells and liquified gasses are a wonderfull alternative as well as ultracapacitors in electric cars among other technological advancements for motors and powerplants besides offgrid energy. I dont think that Ron literally believes this,but is being safe around the dragon greed and small mindedness.
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Yay Ron Paul!
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I said earlier that my opinion of PHDs was in the gutter. I’ve been reading about a doctor that I do respect (beside RP): Patrick Moore. He is one of the founding members of GreenPeace and is taking heat for his opinions that go against the current GreenPeace group.
His idea seems to be that while humans need to respect our environment, the goal should be to help humans survive. If nuclear energy, genetically modified crops, and synthetic pesticides help then they need to be considered.
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There is no overpopulation. You can fit everyone on planet earth inside the borders of Australia comfortably with a nice piece of land. That leaves a whole lotta room to roam the planet.
What we are trying to survive is our govt’s attempts to soft kill us via unnecessary financial stress, GMO food that lack nutrition, chemtrails in our air supply full of the harmful chemical barium –guised as a “weather modification program”, HAARP that causes earthquakes, tsunamis, etc., codex alimentarius and food bills for the govt to gain control over our food supply from the farm to the table (control the food, control the people), control over farms while policing them and filling animals with shots of drugs we eventually ingest, big pharma drugging us and funding political campaigns, fluoride in our water to make us passive and cause osteoporosis and thyroid illnesses as well as flu vaccines that kill and harm us so big pharma makes big profits while the elite get their wish to reduce the population, healthcare bill to gain control over our healthcare and pick winners and losers in the insurance industry and to make big profits via the health insurance industry for their budgets and political campaigns, a reason to go to war to gain control over the earth’s resources such as oil, to kill us off as soldiers fighting wars in countries where the people have done us absolutely no harm in an attempt to control the world to bring in their one world government via the U.N., foreclosures, joblessness, lack of loans for homes and businesses but bailouts for the corporations to tax us with and put us in further debt for something WE DID NOT DO …and destroy America and all other countries in the process, causing the ultimate chaos and hardships for everyone.
It seems to me we are at war with the elite, a war we did not start, but need to find way to overturn their attempts and survive to bring about true peace for everyone. Psychopaths and sociopaths don’t make good leaders. hey, their crazy to put it simply. Why do we continue to follow their lead? Because they have money and we have been brainwashed to believe money equates to power? We need to discover and use our own power!! This could very well be what this chaos, evolution and revolution is all about.
…and we pay these folks their benefits and salaries to do this to us! to our own demise. How long will we live in this insane way before we discover there is another way of being. Ordinarily we put psychopaths under a doctor’s care and confine them because they are a threat to society. Why are these so-called leaders allowed to roam free and do what they do? I can’t figure it out.
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Cristine, you’re dreaming. 6 billion people in Australia? Most of it is uninhabitable desert. To deny overpopulation is to perpetuate the fact. Resources are dwindling, and a vastly reduced world population would help to alleviate the problem. Of course, there is no easy way to accomplish this.
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Dan,
She offered you an analogy of square feet per person and gave you the continent of Australia so that you can put it into perspective. You went off about Australia’s outback not being able to support humans…WTF? Your logical train just flew off the tracks.
I will offer a similar analogy, which is truth. You can fit everyone in the United States into the state of Texas and they can still have comfortable living space. No don’t tell me that it cannot happen because everyone will be pricked by cacti…lol.
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Did I say anything about over-population? I don’t think so.
When it comes up I remember when I was a teen and was pushing the idea to my family. When I talked about how over developed land was here in America, my uncle who was a long distance (coast to coast) driver looked at me weird. After moving to the edge of a desolate area I know what he meant.
BTW: I would like to live in the desert and some actively seek the ability to live in much smaller quarters.
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You’ve ignored so much. Sure there is a way to change things for the better concerning resources, and it will take revamping the way we do business and think of business. Currently we think everyone needs to contribute to making things to sell and we see the world as a market instead of something to preserve. This is is what corporations and the govt would like us to believe. They need us to need money so they can use it as a tool of control. They also control the abundance of world’s resources, plenty enough for everyone, but their business practices rape the earth of resources, create wars. If products were made not for the sake of generating constant profits, but for quality and longevity, we would use a lot less of the earth’s resources. Products are made to break at certain times (note limited time of warranties) so we need to buy again to replace them. This keeps us in constant buying mode instead of making them for long term use limiting the need to take more and more resources. Corps and govts would not like the change, but it’s the change we need to make.
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“Currently we think everyone needs to contribute to making things to sell and we see the world as a market instead of something to preserve.”
So what?
Would it be better if we had to grow our own food and not sell it to others? Picking an apple is forcing nature to our desires isn’t it?
We are not the only animal that manipulates our environment to survive and not the only one that uses tools to do so. But that is how humans survive. Why is manipulating our environment to survive worse that animals that manipulate their environment by killing other animals?
Why are you so sure how to preserve the planet? It was around for a long time before you were ever thought of and there is no reason to think it wont be around for another million years at least. It has been through a lot more than humans are capable of.
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We Are All One
http://www.weareallone-support.org/
THE CORPORATION [1/23] What is a Corporation?
Psychopathic, Inc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y
The current way of being….to go to work to make something, anything, just to have a job to make money to pay the bills has inconvenient consequences. Environmental movement issues and unresolved human issues (poverty/pollution). To make things to sell with a short life (barely through a warranty period) so that people remain in a buying mode, to make money, to enrich the corporations, to use the earth’s resources in a wasteful manner could and should be changed to
Making things that last a long time, are quality products, things that are necessary and truly useful, whereby we use less of the earth’s resources and produce less garbage and waste. Machines and the use of technology can make these products freeing us from laborious, mundane jobs, to enjoy life. The way we think about money, jobs, power, and our personal energy needs to change to develop a new way of being that will allow us to evolve beyond our current troubled state. It is obvious it is time to evolve past this level of living. When more harm than good is being caused by the status quo, it is time. The longer we take to admit it, the more painful things will be come…unless and until…
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Christine;
Are we all the same? Deep down probably, but each species has a different set of capabilities and how they survive. We survive much differently than a dolphin or a cheetah. I would say at most, we are all similar.
Do we want to be all the same? I don’t. I am an individual with unique capabilities, needs, and desires. I (probably) do not want your characteristics and do not expect you to want mine. Being a part of a colony like a drone bee or worker ant is a nightmare in my mind.
So before you tell me to change my ways, please convince me there is a reason beyond avoiding the gun that is the underlying threat in everything the government does.
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I just did.
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Climategate: Dr. Tim Ball on the hacked CRU emails
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydo2Mwnwpac
Climategate: The Backstory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8CVh2deXTI&feature=related
A message to the environmental movement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEggt0ldQUI
Who is really responsible for creating pollution and poverty? The corporation and government, not “we the people”. The global warming lie is another attempt at a corporate bailout and to find a way to fund the new world order. Governments and corporations govern the world instead of “we the people”. We need to turn this around and get government back in the hands of “we the people” or our world and our lives will be destroyed by govt/corp greed. “We the people” are the ones with the strong morals, principles and values, not govts or corps. Note the advantage of incorporating in this documentary and you will see the corp structure is one of irresponsibility, the same as we experience with our government. The federal government, as is the UK government are “corporations”. Currently we are having the same difficulty with corp health insurance companies and our corp govt unable to provide us a reduction in health care costs. Health insurance is not healthcare. It is a business for profit. We do not need it. We need lower health care services and medicine, period. The govt, over the past several years could have enacted a law to make it illegal for health insurance companies to use “pre-existing conditions”, but they have not. They are instead using it as a manipulative tool to gain control over our health care system. This is an example of how corps and our govt collude together for their own benefit, not ours. Both have stopped serving us. They serve themselves at our expense. Their goals are not worthy of pursuit. They are destructive. Stop both and we will see a mighty change in the quality of our lives and life on planet earth.
THE CORPORATION [1/23] What is a Corporation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y
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If you keep adding sugar to a cup of coffee, it continues to get sweeter and sweeter. Heat bounces off of Carbon Dioxide molecules. That is why it acts as a green house gas in our atmosphere. If concentrations of CO2 go up, there is a corresponding warming that occurs just like the coffee gets sweeter as you add more and more sugar. We need CO2 in our atmosphere of course to help keep us from freezing but the issue here is HOW MUCH. For hundreds of thousands of years the populations of the earth remained relatively flat until the last 200 years. When the industrial revolution started and we started burning fossil fules our wealth, our populations, and our production of green house gas exploded. In 200 years we have gone from around 1 billion people on earth to nearly 7 billion people! To conclude that this will have no dire impact on our global atmosphere seems completely unreasonable to me.
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We now know we cannot trust any of the data coming through the govt. The hacked emails. This is not the first time the govt has made use of twisted science and lies, the H1n1 vaccine for example, chemicals in our food, microbiologists being mysteriously killed, nor is it the first time the govt has lied for profit, huge profits, for something the American people are not doing, but that corporations have and are doing. Yet they whip together a law that makes us suddenly responsible for the destructive acts of others.
America is in trouble because there is a steady stream of lies and deceit coming out of Washington D.C. I would like you to imagine for a moment what it would be like without the profuse amount of concerns we have today BECAUSE OF Washington D.C. and imagine life without them. What would that feel like, with each of the issues they start suddenly gone. We really are at war with our own govt, pushing back. What would daily life be like without these tyrants? They are not an asset anymore, they are not behaving like Americans, but rather something else. They are a source of troubles (not the remedy)…and the sad thing is, we pay them their comfy benefits and salaries so they can continue to do this. How idiotic is that? The constitution allows that if there comes a time when the govt is no longer constructive, it’s our duty and obligation to create a new government. I hope the tea party is thinking seriously about this obligation. May we return to our founding documents and America, the Republic and the return of every God-given freedom!
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Christine, You speak as though people that become elected officials go through some kind of metamorphosis and suddenly start plotting against the American people. That is not true of most of our elected officials including Ron Paul. Is the information that comes out of “for profit” business enterprises like the gas and oil companies pure and true? Why should we believe them any more than we do the government that you hold in such contempt?
Would you stop funding of all forms of medicare and medicade, our national highways, our public parks, our police? Where would you draw the line? What about our public schools? All these things are funded through wealth redistribution and all require a federal government.
Here is something you may find interesting. In a letter to James Madison in 1785, Thomas Jefferson suggested that taxes could be used to reduce “the enormous inequality” between rich and poor. He wrote that one way of “silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.”
During the early days of the republic, the government relied mostly on tariffs to collect revenue, under the theory that since the rich bought most of the imports, they would pay most of the taxes.
“The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the general government are levied,” Jefferson wrote in 1811. “The poor man, who uses nothing but what is made in his own farm or family, will pay nothing. (With) our revenues applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.”
Even our beloved Thomas Jefferson favored wealth redistribution through a central government. Its called a civilization.
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What wealth?
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
The FED is a private corporation, is not a government agency and it controls our money supply and monetary policies. it operates above the law, makes treaties and lends money to foreign countries. It is like a government unto itself and congress has no say-so over what they do. It is above the president. The FED is charged with the responsibility for keeping unemployment high and our monetary system stable. They are doing a great job, eh? Rather, they give us highs and depressions, recessions by controlling interest rates and our money supply. We are undergoing a financial controlled demolition currently.
Zeitgeist – The Federal Reserve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
The Creature from Jekyll Island
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIs4ckyKSDA
Unemployment is very high, millions of Americans working part time when they need full time work or they are unemployed.
Millions of Americans are losing their homes due to bad, deceitful loan programs. I work with a foreclosure company and see what is happening to the foreclosed homes in just one county. There are millions of counties across our nation. The banks are eating up the foreclosed homes, very few are being sold to third party home buyers. What will they do with them all of our homes? Two other types of bad loans will cause more defaults in the Spring. Commercial loans are due to start defaulting here soon too, which means more business closures and job losses, and when that happens homeowners will be unable to afford their mortgages. This will lead to more and more foreclosures very soon.
The government is a corporation and it acts in collusion with other large corporate structures. We saw that in the bailout. They make mistakes, but seek to shift the financial burden onto the taxpayers. They win. We lose.
Our dollar is destined to crash. What wealth belonging to American citizens will you speak of distributing when that happens? America’s wealth consists of debts to many foreign countries around the world, including China.
Currently in America we have a government we see. They put a face to the real government that operates behind the scenes, the one that controls everything, the shadow government. JFK was killed for speaking up against this shadow government that is destroying America and causing the great upheaval of our dear Republic.
The Speech that got JFK Killed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS7l6i4w11U
(The conspiracy he speaks of is what I detest. It has infiltrated our government in high places.)
The Shadow Government
(recorded before the current administration)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1S2CzgjRm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ6mBigIIRs&feature=related
Zeitgeist – Full version and Addendum II – Full version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs
Presidents are really appointed in America. Look into vote fraud. The media is owned by the elite, so they shift the voting public in the direction they want us to vote by how they handle coverage, just like they did when Ron Paul was ahead in the last election, not to mention the fraud that occurs on ballots and voting machines. We have corrupt elections yet elected officials are always telling us we go into other countries to square away THE corruption in their government, ha!
Vote Fraud – What They Aren’t Telling You
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd72.htm
Psychopathic, Inc. – The Corporation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoQqH3yHd2E
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“There is no overpopulation. You can fit everyone on planet earth inside the borders of Australia comfortably with a nice piece of land. That leaves a whole lotta room to roam the planet.”
Aaaaah the cry of a true Pro-Growth neocon, Libertarian, Ron Paul acolyte, open-border/free-trader.
And I bet if you stack every human body 10 feet high with bulldozers you can fit them on Rhode Island.
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“Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” Does that ring any bells for you? How about freedom, then?
How much do they pay you for your invasion of idiocy into a group of intelligent folks discussing and sharing serious world issues? It’s a strange individual who entertains himself and enjoys receiving criticism from intelligent people, who considers his comments a sort of cheap thrill to while away the hours of the day. Ever see the movie Idiocracy? You fit right in. You could double as the guy in the armchair at the beginning of the movie.
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“uh huh huh. GET OUT!”
*flushes armchair toilet*
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Wake up people they are using the H.A.A.R.P to melt the polar ice caps. You know every crisis is an opportunity.
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It’s not working
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ugh
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Global Warming is spelled Washington B.S.
The warping and distrust of Washington is spreading to the scientific world. That’s unfortunate. For every good thing that is created, there are those who will use it for bad, an exhibit of the very nature of those who are behind the usage. Take “money” for example, and how it us used. Bad people do bad things. Good people use things for the good of all and are not selfish and self-centered, like the corporation of the federal govt and those they partner with. Safe to say these folks are psychopaths and sociopaths and have been especially chosen for these high positions because of these qualities. No other could perform the controlled demolition of entire countries like these folks. Their entire lives have been focused on perpetrating lies. They feed the lies to congress and the administration, then our elected feed us the B.S. with the hope that their main sales guy, and buddy Pelosi can read the teleprompter with conviction to convince us of what amounts to a con job. They have no sense of balance or of “other”, just themselves. This global warming scam is causing hunger and the deaths of millions of people, needless and senseless suffering. But this helps meet the elitists quota in population reduction…while the global warming program is touted worldwide as something that will save us from destruction by supposed concerned people. Oh, really? What sane person can get behind such twisted and confused thought processes? They really need to try a detox program to clear up their minds, then maybe they can come talk to the American people with some ideas and concepts that advance America instead of putting our dear county and its citizens and those around the world in constant turmoil. We need leaders who think straight, like a Constitutional Republic American. Perhaps the tea party will bring us leaders who are not even remotely connected to the corrupt elite so we can clear the “bad apples” out of our country and get back to being ourselves again, Republic Americans who are Free, truly free from this gangster and bankster riff-raff who are an un-American as they come.
Interview with Lord Monckton re: Hitler Youth comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21SCR2yyETk&NR=1
Lord Monckton Confronts Obama’s Nazi Youth Members With Some Hard Facts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8WawButqIc
OBAMA Youth Crash Lord Christopher Monckton Webcast in Copenhagen: “No Freedom Of Speech”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-vrBKMxy4&feature=related
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Funny to read this a week before my Environmental Science class learns about global warming in their textbooks. I’m already getting comments from both sides of the argument, which has made me decide to hold a global warming debate for their class project in this lesson. We will also compare “An Incovenient Truth” with “The Great Global Warming Swindle.” Both of those give both sides of the story, but both have invalid information. What I’d like for my students to develop is the ability to make the decision on their own, even if that decision is, “I don’t think there’s enough out there to know either way.”
“I am certain there is too much certainty in the world.”
- Michael Crichton
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Sean, I know this is late but how did the debate go?
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