Report condemns swine flu experts' ties to big pharma

Trio of scientists who urged stockpiling had previously been paid, says report

Scientists who drew up the key World Health Organisation guidelines advising governments to stockpile drugs in the event of a flu pandemic had previously been paid by drug companies which stood to profit, according to a report out today.

An investigation by the British Medical Journal and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, the not-for-profit reporting unit, shows that WHO guidance issued in 2004 was authored by three scientists who had previously received payment for other work from Roche, which makes Tamiflu, and GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), manufacturer of Relenza.

City analysts say that pharmaceutical companies banked more than $7bn (£4.8bn) as governments stockpiled drugs. The issue of transparency has risen to the forefront of public health debate after dramatic predictions last year about a swine flu pandemic did not come true.

Some countries, notably Poland, declined to join the panic-buying of vaccines and antivirals triggered when the WHO declared the swine flu outbreak a pandemic a year ago this week. The UK, which warned that 65,000 could die as a result of the virus, spent an estimated £1bn stockpiling drugs and vaccines; officials are now attempting to unpick expensive drug contracts.

The cabinet office has launched an inquiry into the cost to the taxpayer of the panic-buying of drugs.

Today, the Council of Europe, produces a damning report into how a lack of openness around "decision making" has bedevilled planning for pandemics.

"The tentacles of drug company influence are in all levels in the decision-making process," said Paul Flynn, the Labour MP who sits on the council's health committee. "It must be right that the WHO is transparent because there has been distortion of priorities of public health services all over Europe, waste of huge sums of public money and provocation of unjustified fear."

Although the experts consulted made no secret of industry ties in other settings, declaring them in research papers and at universities, the WHO itself did not publicly disclose any of these in its seminal 2004 guidance. In its note, the WHO advised: "Countries that are considering the use of antivirals as part of their pandemic response will need to stockpile in advance."

Many nations would adopt this guidance, including Britain. In 2005, the government said it had begun bulk-buying the drug Tamiflu, initially ordering 14.6m doses after bird flu killed 40 in Asia.

The specific guidance on antivirals was written by Professor Fred Hayden. He has confirmed in an email that he was being paid by Roche for lectures and consultancy work at the time the guidance was produced and published. He received payments from GSK for consultancy and lecturing until 2002. He said "[declaration of interest] forms were filled out for the 2002 consultation".

The previous year Hayden was also one of the main authors of a Roche-sponsored study that asserted what was to become a main Tamiflu selling point – its claim of a 60% reduction in flu hospitalisations.

Dr Arnold Monto was the author of the WHO annex dealing with vaccine usage in pandemics. Between 2000 and 2004, and at the time of writing the annex, Monto had openly declared consultancy fees and research support from Roche and GSK. No conflict of interest statement was included in the annex published by the WHO.

When asked if he had signed a declaration of interest form for WHO, Dr Monto said "conflict of interest forms are requested before participation in any WHO meeting".

The third scientist, Professor Karl Nicholson, is credited with the WHO's influential work Pandemic Influenza. According to declarations he made in the BMJ and Lancet in 2003, he had received sponsorship from GSK and Roche.

Even though the previous year these declarations had been openly made, no conflict of interest statement was included in the annex. Nicholson said he last had "financial relations" with Roche in 2001.

When asked if he had signed a declaration of interest form for WHO, he replied: "The WHO does require attendees of meetings, such as those held in 2002 and 2004, to complete declarations of interest."

A WHO official told the BMJ it had to balance an individual's privacy with the robustness of guidelines, which were subject to a wide external review process.


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  • RicardoP RicardoP

    4 Jun 2010, 12:33PM

    ....though saying that, as Chewtoy says, so many research scientists rely on funding from Big Pharma that these sorts of ties are almost inevitable at some point down the line

  • LaCitizen LaCitizen

    4 Jun 2010, 12:36PM

    I knew this all along!
    This is just scaremongering tactics by well paid scientists which work well, unfortunately!
    Now we need to know who the big shareholders of these companies are. That will be very interesting and revealing!

  • junglecitizen junglecitizen

    4 Jun 2010, 1:14PM

    People need to wake up and realise that large corporations will always try to capture regulators and organisations - especially international ones with no democratic oversight. Nice as it would be, this is not a problem that can be solved by making corporate leaders 'less greedy'.

    They are actually required to try to create these sorts of rackets (regardless of whether their executives are personally "greedy") because they are profitable for their shareholders. Their mission is to gain profit for their shareholders. Manipulating the WHO to generate profit opportunities is not technically illegal, and it's highly profitable, therefore they MUST do it. Whether their executives are personally greedy does not come into it. Sure they will hire greedy amoral people along the way: but there is always going to be a supply of such people when a corporation goes looking, and as an institution the corporation has no choice because it MUST prioritise profit.

    Politicians and international agencies like the WHO desperately need to wake up to the nature of corporations and start regulating them rather than treating them as friendly partners, who as wise 'industry leaders' must be kept on-side, and whose displeasure indicates grave errors have been made. Politicians and bureaucrats seem to labour under the illusion that corporations are like typical political groupings with which you can make friends, form alliances, even partnerships, get 'off-the-record' honest advice. They need to remember that the only reason a corporation is allowed to pay anyone to engage with them - by its own rules - is to increase its profit.

  • endbell endbell

    4 Jun 2010, 1:16PM

    Well that's the drug business for you.

    It's not all bad, though. Not just that some of the cash will go into research but that the manufacturing capacity might prove genuinely useful in the future. Hey, it might even bring the price of other drugs though.

    (& it keeps pensions paying out but I'd like old people to do the decent thing and jump in the sea because there's too bloody many of the useless wrinkly gits)

  • reloudze reloudze

    4 Jun 2010, 1:20PM

    I'm shocked!!
    But not surprised.

    After the Swiss banks tax evasion revelations, the Swiss pharmaceutical Industry fear mongering?
    I would be shocked!! But not surprised...

    Sorry about the Swiss obsession, I just happen to live here. The same could be said for many other places.

  • TheHealthyEconomist TheHealthyEconomist

    4 Jun 2010, 1:27PM

    As has been mentioned before, sourcing funding from big pharma is vital for research. If we were to silence all scientists who had received such funding, all intelligence would remain within private firms.

    Doesn't mean to say that their opinions are completely undiluted however. A necessary evil until differentials in public and privately sourced research grants diminish.

  • christobal0094 christobal0094

    4 Jun 2010, 1:30PM

    The french health Minister has ordered 95 millions doses on which 5 millions were actually used.

    a sort of world record.
    of what ?
    personal profit ? stupidity ? collusion ?

    umh yes, she had been working for one of the usual suspects.

  • christobal0094 christobal0094

    4 Jun 2010, 1:30PM

    The french health Minister has ordered 95 millions doses on which 5 millions were actually used.

    a sort of world record.
    of what ?
    personal profit ? stupidity ? collusion ?
    yes, she had been working for one of the usual suspects.

  • feline1973 feline1973

    4 Jun 2010, 1:31PM

    what people don't realise is that this is all a DOUBLE-BLUFF by evil reptiloid illuminati Big Pharma Bilderburgers.

    They do this whole "cry wolf" thing enough times,
    and then in 2012 they release the REAL Doomsday virus, designed to kill us with morgellan's disease and terraform the Earth into a lizardoid playroom...
    ...but by then we'll all be so cynical we won't try and stop them!!

  • ikesolem ikesolem

    4 Jun 2010, 1:36PM

    Don't forget that Tamiflu is patented by Gilead, the politically connected biotech firm that had Donald Rumsfeld as their CEO up until 2001.

    This very same sequence of events played out in the Asian bird flu crisis - and then a few years later with the Mexican swine flu crisis.

    The real scientific issue - that factory farming operations involving pigs & poultry are high-risk operations when it comes to spreading disease (as well as cooking up new varieties of influenza) - has been largely glossed over - because the corporate food industry doesn't want to be subjected to major reforms.

    You can't trust the WHO on global health issues because their scientists are corrupt henchmen of major pharmaceutical interests. Is the same true in the U.S. Department of Health and Humans Services, DHHS? How about the Food and Drug Administration? The National Institute of Health?

    As with the Minerals Management Service and BP, corruption and cronyism under the guise of "public-private partnerships" is the norm in these agencies.

  • symball symball

    4 Jun 2010, 2:02PM

    Thanks for comments Randeep.

    Right then, has anyone actually looked at the level of funding these guys received?

    Do you really think that because they received their travel money and a small honorarium for speaking at a conference, that they would be promoting the spending of vast amounts of money on drugs which they did not think were required. Are you naive enough to believe that a scientist can become a world expert in a disease without ever having been involved with a drug company?

    With regard to the seriousness of the swine flu outbreak, I would like to remind you that the mortality rates involved were thought to be much higher at the time these decisions had to be made. An analogy would be the wearing of seatbelts- you are (hopefully) very rarely involved in an incident where a seatbelt will be of any use, yet because you don't have time to put it on if that incident occurs you always wear one just in case.

    The risks of the swine flu epidemic were actually very well understood. Government agencies prepared for the worst case scenario, not the most likely one and we are lucky to be able to say that the antivirals and vaccines we bought were not required. If you would prefer to risk thousands of preventable deaths to save some money then please move to Poland where I'm sure there are plenty of people who will willingly swap you for a country that puts lives over money.

  • fionah fionah

    4 Jun 2010, 2:07PM

    And what if the pandemic HAD happened? It could have, the evidence was there. Without the stockpiled vaccines, many of you would not be around to post your comments.

  • Jaspcon Jaspcon

    4 Jun 2010, 2:07PM

    Now why would that be earth-shattering news? There was a suspicion that the giant pharmaceutical companies - Glaxo - for one who were behind the hysteria. Yes, the WHO is guilty and corrupt (everybody knows that) what begs the question is were any of our British politicians also part of this charade. Did any of our politicians use or exerted their influence on the sitting government to have stockpiles of the vaccine bought. This question should be raised and carefully looked at.

  • nimsudo nimsudo

    4 Jun 2010, 2:09PM

    I was strongly advised to have my asthma-suffering young daughter vaccinated against swine flu and despite my gut feeling I went ahead (i was caught up in the scaremongering). She immediately collapsed and fitted and the nurse administering the vaccine froze. My little boy asked if she was dead. I barged into a doctor's consultation with a patient and literally dragged him to my child. She made a full recovery within 10 minutes. The explanation from the GP? Nothing to do with the vaccine, probably collapsed because of a dip in blood pressure. She's had many injections in her short life and never reacted this way.

    I'm not medically trained so although the GP's account was plausible I shall never know the real reason. But what i do know is that I would not have put her in that position if it wasn't for inaccurate govt advice. Perhaps the £1bn cost mentioned would have been better spent conveying the correct advice.

  • DavieMcDave DavieMcDave

    4 Jun 2010, 2:21PM

    @fionah

    And what if the pandemic HAD happened? It could have, the evidence was there. Without the stockpiled vaccines, many of you would not be around to post your comments.

    But the evidence was exaggerated and misrepresented by those who sought to profit from the "potential" crisis - ie the drug companies and the media. How do we know what to believe anymore when it comes to public health scares?

    If the threat was really that serious, then national and international travel would have been strictly prohibited - rather than the business as usual attitude that prevailed. Plus Tamiflu is useless (an inefficient replication inhibitor) and the efficacy of the vaccine unknown.

  • buono buono

    4 Jun 2010, 2:22PM

    Why has it taken a year for this to come to light? These idiots and the idiots who swallowed their advice have cost us billions.

    Perhaps finally scientists will now have their motives fully investigated at the time that such gloomy claims are made, rather than so long afterwards.

    It is more proof that scientists are not as inscrutible as some would have us believe and are equally motivated by money as anyone else.

    Can any proclamations subsequently made by these bought scientists finally be totally disregarded?

  • symball symball

    4 Jun 2010, 2:30PM

    Nimsudo

    what makes you so sure that the advice was wrong? One of the main reasons that the swine flu epidemic was not as serious as some other countries is that key risk groups were vaccinated very quickly. Remember that this virus was much more deadly in small children then seasonal flu.

    Your daughters symptoms were indeed more likely to be fainting related to blood pressure than to the vaccine- just because it happened at the same time does not mean they are related. vaccine side effects are pain/ sweeling at injection site, head aches and rarely a mild fever.

  • pollutionuk pollutionuk

    4 Jun 2010, 2:33PM

    Scientists use statistics as a powerfull analytical maths tool to quantify the truth of the data they have. They check sample size and probability of being wrong.

    Politicians and salesmen often misquote data to con the public.

    The Public think Mark Twain is the solution to all maths illiteracy and laziness

    Public school boys with politics, philosophy, law degrees make the decision to buy the rubbish. While keeping scientists out of politics and out of a job The media sells well from panic by keeping out of proper informed well researched science.
    (no indication of bias from me)

  • fjpickett fjpickett

    4 Jun 2010, 2:41PM

    Surely, all governments have to do is to order them on a sale or return basis? The producers could charge a bit more for the risk, and the requirements would suddenly become more realistic...

  • freewheelingfrankie freewheelingfrankie

    4 Jun 2010, 2:42PM

    buono:

    Why has it taken a year for this to come to light? These idiots and the idiots who swallowed their advice have cost us billions.

    Perhaps finally scientists will now have their motives fully investigated at the time that such gloomy claims are made, rather than so long afterwards.

    It is more proof that scientists are not as inscrutible as some would have us believe and are equally motivated by money as anyone else.

    Can any proclamations subsequently made by these bought scientists finally be totally disregarded?

    We were lucky this time - if swine flu had mutated into a more virulent form, or had shared the genes that made it so infectious between humans with the much more virulent bird flu, you'd likely be berating the same scientists for not having recommended vaccine stockpiling sooner. These things could still happen now.

    While it's clearly essential to know what connections such scientists have with multinationals, responding to this by insisting that the scientists had only base motives is no more valid than insisting they were whiter than white - and a lot more dangerous. Sooner or later we will have a flu virus as virulent as the 1918 one. That killed 40 million people, before the advent of air travel and out of less than a third of the present world population. The fact that some WHO scientists might have been a bit corrupt won't stop it - only vaccines will. The only way to stop the WHO's reputation and operations being damaged by this kind of corruption is for it to be wholly funded by governments and for its employees to be contractually forbidden from gaining any pecuniary advantage from outside companies. Better yet, the WHO should set up its own vaccine plants, and drug plants to make the necessary drugs that big pharma can't profit from and therefore don't make.

    ff

  • symball symball

    4 Jun 2010, 2:42PM

    buono-

    I'm afraid you are starting to sound a little hysterical here. I'm quite happy to state that if good evidence of corruption is uncovered that I will be the first to call for their heads, but just because a world expert has given advice to a drug company it doesn't mean they are irredeemably corrupt.

    One common theme throughout the anti-science posts here is that because swine flu didn't kill everyone, it cannot possibly have been a threat and therefore any plans that factored this in must have been corrupt and the scientists who gave the advice must have been bought by the 'evil big pharma tm'.

    Does it not occur to you that perhaps when the decisions were made that the advice was given that the outcomes of the pandemic had a wide scope of possibilities, and that a decision was made by politicians to plan for the worst case scenario rather than just ignore the risks. or would you prefer to beleive everything you are told on internet sites such as wh*le and j**bs

  • getjiggy21 getjiggy21

    4 Jun 2010, 2:47PM

    The swine flu jab was NOT a vaccination at all.
    It has a patent on it, therefore it is an invention.
    To be more accurate, it was developed by a military germ-warfare laboratory in north america and was sold to big pharma for megabucks.

    You can look-up the patent of this germ-warfare patent if you know how to.

  • symball symball

    4 Jun 2010, 2:52PM

    Better yet, the WHO should set up its own vaccine plants, and drug plants to make the necessary drugs that big pharma can't profit from and therefore don't make.

    vaccine plants: with what money? perhaps we should raise taxes to pay for these multi million dollar plants to sit idly by while we wait for the next pandemic.

    Drugs that big pharma can't profit from?- such as what? nutritional supplements? these are already being made by pharmaceutical companies, and besides- who is going to pay to discover these unprofitable drugs, the average cost of a pharmaceutical drug from discovery to licensing is $500-$200 million and takes 5-10 years.

  • nimsudo nimsudo

    4 Jun 2010, 3:13PM

    @symball..

    That is precisely the point. I do not know if the advice was wrong at all. I believe that it is crucial for governments to provide timely advise correct to their understanding as advised by relevant scientific organisations. Surely the least we can expect is information led by fact and not driven by corporate greed.

    I agonised over the decision for many weeks before I reluctantly agreed to the vaccine. My choices were to not have the vaccine and risk her death or to have the vaccine and risk her death (a bit extreme, I know, but rational at the time). My GP gave a detailed explanation of the symptoms related to both fainting and vaccine reaction, to which she had both and this helped in my understanding.

    My point, which you may have missed, is the importance of correct information to avoid these unnecessary scenarios. Perhaps a good start would be to commission scientists who put truth before profit.

  • ians12 ians12

    4 Jun 2010, 3:27PM

    Personally I am not bothered how they came to make a H1N1 Vaccination available, all I knew is that I needed it and my family did due to all being in at risk groups. The other thing I know is that despite all the supposed money being thrown at the project we did not actually receive our jags until January THIS year! The amount of money spent in this is insignificant compared to the whole NHS budget, what needs to be addressed is drug companies constant greed with respect to everyday medicines, that is were the money is going!

  • MG62 MG62

    4 Jun 2010, 3:27PM

    Perhaps I'm being naive, but the scientists did declare their interests. It was the WHO who kept the information from us. Why? This story has taken a long time to surface. Once again, why?

  • symball symball

    4 Jun 2010, 3:31PM

    My point, which you may have missed, is the importance of correct information to avoid these unnecessary scenarios. Perhaps a good start would be to commission scientists who put truth before profit.

    I understand the point you are trying to make, it just doesn't have any factual basis. The idea that the scientists were 'bought' by 'evil big pharma tm' for the price of an air ticket and a few hundred dollars for talking at a conference, is one that has come straight from the anti vaccinationists and then parroted on message boards and blogs until it becomes self perpetuating.

    When examined it is actually rather ludicrous and insulting to believe that someone who has spent their life building up a reputation as a world expert in their field, would then sell it all for a jolly to a nice hotel for a week.

    As I have already said over and over in this thread, the stockpiling of drugs and vaccines was precautionary against the worst case scenario, which we were lucky to avoid this time. To build up a stockpile of drugs to treat a pandemic like this takes a massive investment and cannot be done in an instant. Once you know for sure a virus is going to kill thousands of people it is far too late to start trying to produce drugs.

  • nimsudo nimsudo

    4 Jun 2010, 3:45PM

    @symball..

    "When examined it is actually rather ludicrous and insulting to believe that someone who has spent their life building up a reputation as a world expert in their field, would then sell it all for a jolly to a nice hotel for a week".

    ..and you have evidence to suggest they wouldn't? Many ruthless acts have been committed by hitherto respectable individuals for a quick buck. If you are a scientist you should keep to the facts and not simply assume somebody would not be lured because they have principles.

    ...and yes, we know that the stockpiling was for a 'worst-case scenario', but the content of the report doesn't sit very well with this reasoning.

  • symball symball

    4 Jun 2010, 3:59PM

    Nimsudo- with regards to evidence, when accusing people of corruption it is traditional for the accuser to provide the evidence first. You ask me to stick to the facts yet you have provided none of your own.

  • nimsudo nimsudo

    4 Jun 2010, 4:24PM

    @symball

    The fact is that no-one is immune from corruption. Why can't you just admit that it is possible that scientists may have been bought? You vehemently defend the practices of individuals you do not know on the basis that they are scientists and 'would not do it'.

    The 'accusation' was implied in a published report. There is no evidence to prove either way and because of this we are left with a public who have become suspicious of anything the government tells them.

    If it could be proved beyond reasonable doubt that they did or didn't then the matter would be settled once and for all I guess and we would have little to discuss on the matter.

  • freewheelingfrankie freewheelingfrankie

    4 Jun 2010, 4:39PM

    symball:

    vaccine plants: with what money? perhaps we should raise taxes to pay for these multi million dollar plants to sit idly by while we wait for the next pandemic.

    Yes, we should raise taxes to pay for this. Do you not understand: to fight the next pandemic, taxpayers' money will have to be spent, whether the plants are owned by big pharma, the WHO or individual governments. Yes, they may stand idle at times (though flu isn't the only disease that requires vaccinations) but so what if having it ready saves tens of millions of people when the next virulent flu pandemic comes - as it will. Or alternatively we don't fight the next pandemic. Just let it happen. That'd show those corrupt scientists and politicians.

    Drugs that big pharma can't profit from?- such as what? nutritional supplements? these are already being made by pharmaceutical companies, and besides- who is going to pay to discover these unprofitable drugs, the average cost of a pharmaceutical drug from discovery to licensing is $500-$200 million and takes 5-10 years

    No, I do not mean nutritional supplements. I mean drugs to fight diseases that only poor people in tropical countries suffer from. Wiping out those diseases will have huge benefit to the economies of the countries where people suffer from them, and improve stability in those countries. In many cases the drugs already exist, they're just not much use to drug company shareholders.

    ff

  • stevehartwell stevehartwell

    4 Jun 2010, 4:46PM

    It is truly scary how little most people know of just how much Big Pharma controls the whole world, including the global news media. The relationship between WHO and Big Pharma is not one of "arms' length", whereby shenanigans by a few rotten apples get missed by the bureaucracy situation of huge organizations. Big Pharma IS the WHO, as it also is the very heart of almost every Public Health Care system of every nation on this pathetic planet. In 2000, Richard Smith, Chief Editor of BMJ at the time, his closest staff, and similar groups at 12 other major Medical Journals around the world, tried in vain to warn us all of this, and all of them were soon after fired from their jobs for trying, and have never been able to get another job with any Medical Journal since. Richard Smith wrote and published a book about it in 2006, "The Trouble with Medical Journals", and others have continued to try to tell 'the people', but are thwarted at every attempt. No less scary is that most people do not want to know the truth about Big Pharma. It would be like finding out your parents are peodophiles. Doing something about it would mean destroying your entire 'world'. So people refuse to believe it, even block it out of their minds. Well, people, it has to be done. You have to face it, and finally DO something about it. The BAD being perpetrated by Big Pharma FAR outweighs the GOOD, and it's way past time to put a stop to the BAD they are doing to us all.

  • ians12 ians12

    4 Jun 2010, 6:43PM

    stevehartwell

    The BAD being perpetrated by Big Pharma FAR outweighs the GOOD, and it's way past time to put a stop to the BAD they are doing to us all.

    I agree, the artificial price rigging, the cartels, the behind closed door deals with the NHS and other similar organisations around the world have led to some pretty strange decisions that were not particularly in the interests of patients, but were more beneficial to Big Pharma and the likes of the NHS.

  • nicedayinthepark nicedayinthepark

    4 Jun 2010, 6:51PM

    Scientists who drew up the key World Health Organisation guidelines advising governments to stockpile drugs in the event of a flu pandemic had previously been paid by drug companies which stood to profit, according to a report out today.

    Ho hum... and bears like to defecate in woodlands, etc.

  • bettysenior bettysenior

    4 Jun 2010, 11:05PM

    Where's the surprise here ? The question is, why has it taken newspapers and journalists this long to tell us about it ?

    4FUXACHE

    I will tell you. The newspapers are paid hansomely also through advertising et al to keep their mouths shut by big pharma. The reach of these powerful companies to supress news is all encompassing. Even in 2007 'Nature' magazine started the dirty work for the so-called pandemic coming. That before a pandemic was even on the radar. Some of the expert advisers at the WHO would sell their very souls to get their hands on money. The whole system stinks and a greater investigation is needed to bring matters out into the open like the 'MP's expenses' scam.

    Where is the Daily Telegraph, we need you again !

  • acrobat74 acrobat74

    5 Jun 2010, 2:00AM

    How come we didn't see this article in the Guardian when all the scaremongering was taking place?

    Why didn't the Guardian investigate on which date did Baxter file its swine flu patent application?

    http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20Patent%20Application.pdf

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14430

    Why are you journos SO BLOODY ASLEEP?

  • graybeardloon graybeardloon

    5 Jun 2010, 7:17AM

    When organisations get large and get money, they tend to get corrupt. If History teaches us nothing else, it teaches us at least that. So the WHO fits a pattern. Its advisers have influence &, in an ideal world, would see the need to avoid the taint of corruption. But, heh, these are regular guys, to slightly amend the words of perhaps the most debased modern politician turned oligarch. So a little gold dust starts to stick to their once incorruptible hands. And their advice becomes tainted.
    Perhaps it would not have mattered had we not just lived through a government which had the misfortune to have some of the poorest specimens of their kind available for high office. Liam Donaldson, even amongst these, was indeed never likely to be much use in steering a path through Swine Flu. After all, we had already had the farce of Bird Flu. Seems like a drug induced bad dream, looking back on it all doesn't it ?

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