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Shiceka: Hey big spender

MMANALEDI MATABOGE | JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA - May 21 2010 07:16
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A government car for his girlfriend, a state-funded party for his mother and a dodgy CV -- Sicelo Shiceka's qualifications for membership of the inter-ministerial task team on corruption are looking threadbare.

His staff in the Department of Cooperative Governance and Traditional Affairs are angry about the minister's conduct but afraid of his "dictatorial" leadership style. However, they listed a range of allegations that the ministry has struggled to answer adequately.

One sore point with officials is Shiceka's claim to have a master's degree, which the Mail & Guardian has established he does not. In his official curriculum vitae on the department's website, the minister listed among his qualifications a master's degree in political economy from the University of the Free State.

Confronted with allegations that this was untrue, Shiceka's spokesperson, Vuyelwa Qinga-Vika, claimed the minister was still studying for the degree "with a few modules outstanding".

The university denied it. Lacea Loader, the university spokesperson, said: "He was registered here from 2004 to 2005 but he never completed the degree."

Also, there was no record of him re-registering to complete the programme, she said.

After the M&G; had questioned Shiceka's office about the misrepresentation of his qualifications, the website was edited to list the degree as "current studies".

Alleged misuse of a ministerial car
Staff are also angry about what they see as the improper use of state resources to fund Shiceka's lifestyle. There is particular concern over the alleged misuse of a ministerial car -- a Mercedes-Benz arguably acquired for the use of Nomatyala Hangana, the former deputy minister of the department (then known as provincial and local government).

According to three sources, Shiceka ordered that the car be made available to Nomvula Mabuza, who lives with him.

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Department insiders say she is a "recognised spouse" in terms of the rules governing ministerial benefits -- but that doesn't entitle her to a ministerial car.

A minister can give up his own official vehicle for use by a spouse, but Shiceka has not done so.

Cabinet ministers are allowed two official cars, one for use in Cape Town (where Shiceka has a Mercedes) and a second one for Pretoria (where he has an Audi Q7). The Mercedes apparently used by Mabuza would mean he has three official vehicles.

Dumisani Nkwamba, the spokesperson for the Department of Public Service and Administration, said that a minister's spouse could drive an official vehicle if the department was informed for insurance purposes. "In such an instance, the minister will not be allocated another official vehicle in lieu of the one utilised by the spouse."

Mabuza had been driving the car since Shiceka took over as the minister about a year ago, said the sources. The vehicle was apparently returned after the M&G; raised questions about it in early April. Shiceka denied any impropriety and Mabuza denied being allocated the car.

Qinga-Vika said that the car had not been returned to Kgwerano Asset Finance because its lease period had not yet expired.

"The car was on occasion used as the minister's escort vehicle; and this was not on a daily basis, but only when it was necessary," she said.

"In the worst-case scenario, had it become necessary, Chapter 5 of the ministerial handbook also provides for spouses with valid driver's licences to drive official vehicles used by ministers."

Qinga-Vika would not say how much it cost the department to keep a third ministerial car for a year after the new political heads took office and acquired new vehicles. She said the "billing of the vehicle was fixed for the entire rental period with standard applicable rental rates".

More problems
Questions are being raised, too, about a party in Shiceka's home village of eMaRhamzini in the Eastern Cape. Three members of the department say the event appears to have been a birthday party for the minister's mother, Oscarina Shiceka -- funded by the taxpayer. A local municipal official offered a different version, suggesting it was a celebration to reward his supporters for his appointment to the Cabinet.

The event was held on Saturday October 3. Oscarina Shiceka's birthday, according to people who know the family, is on October 4.

Senior department officials say the party was listed as a Pondoland Revival Project function for funding purposes.

That project was launched last year in March as a joint venture between the department and the Ingquza Hill local municipality to boost local economic development and service delivery, but the municipality was not involved in the party.

Simphiwe Thobela, the head of communications at the municipality, said: "There was a function hosted by the minister in his home town but as the municipality we were not part of it." He said the municipality had been told Shiceka hosted the party to "enlighten people about the projects taking place in the area and it was also a thanksgiving to his people for supporting him throughout his political career".

"Remember, it was just a few months after he was appointed," Thobela said. Two senior employees of the department said the party was paid for from the cooperative governance budget.

"The only officials who attended that party were from [Shiceka's ministerial] office," said one. "If it was a departmental function, why was there no one from the department?"

Qinga-Vika said Shiceka viewed the allegation "in a serious light" and that there was "no truth" in it.

After asking for more time to check on the matter because she was on leave in October, Qinga-Vika said the department did not have any record of such a function or any expenditure recorded in its budget for the Pondoland project.

The M&G; has previously reported on Shiceka's reluctance to act on the findings of two forensic reports identifying misconduct in the department.

There now appear to be more problems. The M&G; is in possession of a list of 58 financial transactions declared irregular by the department's procurement division. The transactions, amounting to a total of R1,8-million since April last year, are all from the minister's office.

Qinga-Vika said Elroy Africa, the department's director general, had already called in the people involved in irregular financial transactions and found that the explanations they provided were satisfactory.

"He has thus, in line with the provisions entailed in the PFMA [Public Finance Management Act], accordingly condoned those expenditures as he found them to have been done with no intention to benefit any individual or to violate the law," said Qinga-Vika.

A department employee said officials were reluctant to gainsay Shiceka on questionable spending. "It is because he is a dictator. You cannot say no to him."
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Another ABM (African Big Man) who regards the taxpayers as his persdonal financial supporters. Typical dodgy crook.

Aloota continua
Bernard Hellberg on May 21, 2010, 7:46 am
Another fraudster in a top government position. What a surprise. And of course, nothing will be done about it. Just the false claim to a 'master's degree' is in itself ample reason to fire this mendacious rascal.
Donovan Jackson on May 21, 2010, 8:07 am
God, this government makes me sick.
Rod Baker on May 21, 2010, 8:11 am
If you want to surprise us , find one government official who is not stealing or cprrupt.
PINKO PALLINO on May 21, 2010, 8:15 am
viva anc, and so the list goes on. power to the people, together we shall do more....????
niksha jhilmeet on May 21, 2010, 8:18 am
Are there no men of honour in the ANC?

I am told regularly that african cultures are not basically fraudulent when defined in western terms BUT reality on the ground says otherwise.

So I will stick to my hypothesis which is : that black cultures accept fraud and corruption as part of life. If the white man had not pitched up, fraud and corruption would not be illegal and wrong.
Owen Walker on May 21, 2010, 8:25 am
Oink, oink, oink! Snouts in the trough! Again. As usual. In a parliamentary democracy, this kind of behaviour is unacceptable, and intolerable. If there is the slightest truth to these allegations he should reimburse and resign, or be fired.

This is the sort of behaviour that limits investment in South Africa, and which is desperately needed post World Cup. But even more than that, it is a betrayal of his oath of office and the citizens of South Africa, whom he is supposed to serve.

Disgraceful! Shameful!!
Duncan McGregor on May 21, 2010, 8:26 am
Look if the A&C; chooses to operate at this level of accomodation of its deployed cadres then so be it... it is making work for itself when simple rules and procedures (unwritten of course) could solve so much of the headaches they have to put with (I would say deal with but there is not much of that except spin that trips them up again and again) - like if you stupid enough to get caught dont expect us to bail you out: "Get a lawyer and structure it how you want but please dont crap on our doorstep". And why can the public not demand resignation... whatever happened to that level of intolerance... if you stupid enough to do silly things like this well then dont expect to stay in power... I mean really why does anyone need to put up with this level of incompetent... if we had caught Snuki and Dali in time at the SABC we might have saved a whole burgeouning movie industry... but no...
bashar teg on May 21, 2010, 8:27 am
I'm glad I don't have to pay these concrete heads 1 cent of my tax money. What a bunch of losers they are.
Mao Brac on May 21, 2010, 8:30 am
Thanks for the story MMANALEDI MATABOGE
Erick Mulaudzi on May 21, 2010, 8:40 am
Why pay taxes?
thethinkingman .. on May 21, 2010, 8:40 am
Inter-Ministerial Task Team on Corruption?! Perhaps his qualifications are excellent for that. Is the task team formed to find more ways of corruption.... I think the time is coming closer and closer to a Tax Strike by all....
jean wright on May 21, 2010, 8:40 am
I dont forgive anyone who claims to have degrees that he does not have. Remember some law professor left UKZN a few years back for this kind of thing? This guy is a rascal most mendacious indeed! Allowing one's grilfriend to drive a deputy ministerial vehicle for a year.......
Roberto Sasirai on May 21, 2010, 8:40 am
And let's remember this is the same oke who didn't pay his rates and taxes on his Midrand property, but didn't get cut off like the rest of us would. And, irony of ironies, he is the MINISTER of local government.
Donovan Jackson on May 21, 2010, 8:54 am
And now we wait for Zuma to do the right thing . . . . . . Oh, wait, he'd also have to fire himself then. Nothing will happen. ----------- A Politicians' Anti-Corruption Team - what a joke!
pete ess on May 21, 2010, 8:57 am
Liar, liar, pants are on fire!
Atlas Reader on May 21, 2010, 8:57 am
Crime is like diarrhoea - it runs in their genes!
Eric West on May 21, 2010, 9:01 am
This is one of the ministers touted as "hard-working" now he probably had a sense of entitlement. In other countries something like this was gonna be a sure dismissal or resignation. The moral fibre of the Polokwane brigade has always been questionable and it was said they got rid of Mbeki because he was a stumbling block on their self enrichment. It is a mad scrumble for state resources even for a minister who is so close to service delivery issues.
Mabandla on May 21, 2010, 9:07 am
ANC supporters: have you no shame? Don't you think you and your children deserve better? Don't you think our country deserves better? The ANC you support today is not the same organisastion you and I supported in the Mandela era. If you do not support the looting, abuse and rot, show it in the next election.
JC KK on May 21, 2010, 9:11 am
Real world - adding a non-existing university degree on your C.V = immediate dismissal.

ANC World = promotion.

'nuff said.
Jost van Dike on May 21, 2010, 9:12 am
Liars as well as thieves. Busines as usual then?...
Graham Johnson on May 21, 2010, 9:17 am
I see that the usual ANC simpathysers comments are absent so far. Nothing to say abaut one of your dear members in Government, sorry, on the trought?
Tony & Carla Afonso on May 21, 2010, 9:18 am
I'd take the NATS over these losers anyday....
Australia_is_ Great on May 21, 2010, 9:24 am
Another red-faced red-nosed clown in the African National Circus.
Michael K on May 21, 2010, 9:38 am
Not surprised at all - only a fool will be surprised! However the Neanderthal thinking that only Africans are corrupt must be defeated, as it is a daily undertaking in the so called western world! The proof is in the pudding by the way - who invented this sinful coins that is enslaving all of us! A case of the pot calling the cattle .. ehm .. oops! black! Let's defeat corruption without exposing our racial prejudices
Dubz Dabane-Obhoxayo on May 21, 2010, 9:41 am
...and he looks funny in his suit.
Nicero Langa on May 21, 2010, 9:57 am
"A COCOA NUT DOES NOT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE" Its ZIM part II only this time the Drama is usre to beat AVATAR in 3-D. Sorry folks. Your turn now.
Ali Ghettar on May 21, 2010, 10:01 am
@ Owen Walker

Your logic, sir, is very interesting. It goes something like: Sicelo Shiceka is corrupt. Sicelo Shiceka is black. Therefore, all black people are corrupt. For your information, not all black people are corrupt. Similarly, not all white people are free from corruption. Furthermore, there is nothing like "black culture" or even "African culture". So, please spare us blatant racism. The M&G; online guidelines specifically state that no racist, sexist or homophobic remarks are allowed. How yours got throught is a mystery to me.
Noel Ndhlovu on May 21, 2010, 10:08 am
comrade shiceka you lied to us as your fellow comrades about your qualification why ?. it people like you who make us look like un educated where else we are educated except you and your lies. everything else here on the paper are allegations full stop so i don't expect people to comment like they are gods here, let the law take it cause if there corruption in this matter

100% zuluboy Mondli on May 21, 2010, 10:09 am
Where are the defenders of the ANC? Does this story also disgust you? I hope so. Perhaps the tide of public sentiment is finally turning against the corrupt ANC government?

Power to the people!!
free speech on May 21, 2010, 10:10 am
Yes, business as usual. Dubz you are correct in saying corruption is colour blind however in the Western World, the politicians found out-they get axed...here...NADA.
Sam Blue on May 21, 2010, 10:13 am
Why do 99.9% of african leaders and government officials, plunder / misuse the state coffers for their and their families benefit.

Is it a cultural thing; is tax payers’ money in actual fact, the “funds” of the ruling party? Must be, how else can one explain the never ending corruption.

The high and mighty anc has no morals and conscience, and is prepared to sacrifice the livelihood of the citizens of the country.

Do you think, with the vast cultural differences that exist, we can truly find common ground between the ethnic groups. Doubt it.
White Mamba on May 21, 2010, 10:17 am
Fired him and let him pay for the money of the renting of the car,the birthday party and send him to jail for corruption,faking a degree he does not have.

For sure we must stop paying taxes if all this government officials are not using our money to deliver the services we need.Fix the potholes,the health system,the education system,justice system and then, we will pay taxes again.

We do not need a government that is there to fill their pockets.
olga wueen on May 21, 2010, 10:19 am
There is always two sides to a story. Shiceka may have erred about the qualification but I have known him to be forthright. At the moment he is ridding the department of ALL the people who used their political connections to secure high paying jobs without the corresponding expertise, qualifications and experience. Is it then a coincidence that some disgruntled fat cat feels threatened? Just wondering?
Sydney Ledwaba on May 21, 2010, 10:26 am
Sicelo maybe you should remind all your staff "not to bite the hand that feeds them"
At the end of the day all powers are vested in you, fire all your department staff, now I mean it!!

I know some of them and their scandals can take you to a coma for years my dear!
Fire them, immediately.
Zeleous Black on May 21, 2010, 10:45 am
For as long as corruption has colour in SA, we will keep supporting the people who are said to be corrupt. We will vote ANC regardless. If that doesnt make sense then know that racism is worse than nonsense. If i had to choose between corruption and racism, i choose corruption anyday.

VIVA ANC
Bluntly Spoke on May 21, 2010, 10:49 am
Owen Walker, politicians are ALL corrupt, be they
Black or White or anny other colour, it is the responsability of the electorate to have them removed from power. The fact that the current ANC contolled Government does not take action in cases like this indicates the level of corruption in this Government, that they all have cases to answer so they protect one another so no one spills the beans!
Tony & Carla Afonso on May 21, 2010, 10:52 am
@ White Mamba

Where do you get your figure of 99.9% of African leaders and government officials plundering/misusing state coffers for their and their families' benefit? Corruption is corruption regardless of whether it is Africa or elsewhere. And corruption is deplorable.
Noel Ndhlovu on May 21, 2010, 11:00 am
Halala, the Polokwane Brigade under the master. Shiceka should recall that being admitted to study towards any postgraduate degree like Masters and completing it are two different things. Incomplete studies for whatever reasons don't constitute any legal conferment of such a degree. Only corruption and dictatorship will ensure that his mother and girlfriend/s enrich themselves.

There are capable people with proper qualifications who want to join his department. But, with this revelation it means that all recruitments are corrupt, nepotised and so on. What can u expect from this government anyway. The top guys are really doing it for themselves while they consistently feeding us propaganda!
zakes scotch on May 21, 2010, 11:13 am
@ Noel Ndhlovu - Clearly you need to remind M & G that their version of: hate speech,No racist, sexist or homophobic remarks; does not agree with your perceptions.

@ Dubz Dabane-Obhoxayo - I agree with you that colour should not enter into debate. What worries me is that our leaders seem to have fallen into the entitlement trap. What would have been said if they had been Afrikaners? All boere are corrupt?

@ Australia_is_ Great - The NATS put these guys in power boet. Or have you forgotten.


@ Bluntly Spoke - I see that the NP culture is firmly inculcated in your genes. This belief that we support them because they are .....,.....,.....,......, and let us kill those that oppose this is the root cause of our problems.

Labeling continues to demean people. The only way to overcome the prejudices that surround us is to legislate that only those over 50 may vote.




Chris Potgieter on May 21, 2010, 11:23 am
Noel Ndhlovu on May 21, 2010, 11:00 am

Proof me wrong. I will make your task easier. Leave Africa for the moment. Let us just concentrate on South Africa.

Noel just 0.1% [zero point one] honest government officials.
White Mamba on May 21, 2010, 11:26 am
And just because the M&G; did it's own investigations, it is taken as the truth by the class chatterers ... typical.

Eish !
The Moxster on May 21, 2010, 11:36 am
@ White Mamba

Corruption is a huge problem, no doubt. However, I am quite interested in your source of figures. I am not the one making claims regarding the exact figure (99.9% and 0.1%) of corrupt officials. You are. The onus of proof is on you to show us how you got to those figures, surely.
Noel Ndhlovu on May 21, 2010, 11:51 am
Well done M&G.; You did not need to investigate the corruption again

The pathetic poor a$$hole of a Shiceka, personally claimed on his websiteto be in possesion of his qualifications.

All vrot from the top to the tea girl.
White Mamba on May 21, 2010, 11:53 am
It is clear why this poor sole was inter alia appointed as minister of "cultural affairs".

In South Africa “cultural affairs” mean, anarchy nepotism corruption [read ANC].
White Mamba on May 21, 2010, 12:00 pm
Minister Schiceka's story may come as a surprise to most of us, but I feel that most of us are quick to jump to conclusion than to try to get the facts right. This must not be seen as a defence against Minister, but I feel that there might me other things we do not know that can suggest that someone has a Masters degree. The university confirms that he registered for the degeree sometime ago, but he did not complete the full degree. If a student completes the course work for a particular masters degree, that student has a first masters ( masters 1). The student will have a full degree after completeing the thesis part (masters 2). How sure are we that minister did not complete the course work for this degree? Once more this is not a defence statement.
Mahlogonolo Ephraim on May 21, 2010, 12:22 pm
Typical of the ANC elite.They make a mockery of the freedom struggle.There's was a struggle for self serving control of the money pot continuously topped up by the taxpayers.
Steve van Niekerk on May 21, 2010, 12:26 pm
To OWEN AKA WALKER,

You are correct if white men did not pitch up corruption would be legal, why can't a white man leave us so that we legalise the corruption practice.
Notice Maila on May 21, 2010, 12:27 pm
Funny how we so rarely hear of corruption in the DA. And if they do the fraudster is immediately fired from office (for eg. Craig Morkel, travelgate fraudster, who joined the DA from the Nats)
Be Els on May 21, 2010, 1:11 pm
Why does the actions of a few black people condem a continent according as being corrupt.

I would love to postulate a theory my fellow white brothers.
Besides the govt officials who make a killing of these tenders etc, who really benefits - white owned businesses. Though the public economy is run by blacks the private economy is run by whites. In real monetary terms white owned companies make the most of this.

So lets not point fingers, whilst the corruption is digusting, this is not a race issue cos we clearly in bed together lets not have any illusions about it.
Prof von Drake on May 21, 2010, 1:11 pm
Lets be clear this is not an issue of black and white. Lets not make it one. For example we can go to great lengths discussing who really benefits from corruption.

Is it the corrupt govt officials who make a cut of the top or is it the white owned companies getting the business. This is not an illusion whilst the public economy is controlled by the govt, the private economy is controlled primarily by whites.

Let not the actions of a few condem a nation, were would we be if that was the case?
Prof von Drake on May 21, 2010, 1:16 pm
“You don’t always have to be right, but you do always have to take responsibility for being wrong” D A Benton, Comrade Shiceka is widely regarded as one of hardworking ministers in the cabinet. I always listened when he speaks; he’s got eloquence and passion about his subject. But I’m sure that he doesn’t tolerate misappropriation of public funds. I will treat the allegation as mere allegation. If allegation that his CV is dodgy, I’m surely he will divulge the human error.Philani@Umlazi
Philani Lubanyana on May 21, 2010, 1:52 pm
If Shiceka lied abot his qualifications, and these were important for his appointment, then he should be relieved of his duties. But if it is not the case, then there is no case to answer.
@australia is great........stay away from our internal affairs
@owen aka walker......The white man is the root of all African problems.
@sydney.......You bring a good point. There is a high possibility that those who feel that Shiceka is pressurising them to deliver, would look at how to discredit the minister. Forward with service delivery ntate Shiceka
Tebogo Wa Azania on May 21, 2010, 1:57 pm
Prof von Drake , Yes it is not a black white issue .It is a corrupt tax misappropriating political governing elite as well as boot licking business owner problem. This is a all to common problem in Africa.
Steve van Niekerk on May 21, 2010, 2:05 pm
Prof , Let me add greedy to describe business owners.
Steve van Niekerk on May 21, 2010, 2:26 pm
hehehehe....i maintain that i'd rather have "corrupt" black leaders than racist whites
Bluntly Spoke on May 21, 2010, 2:36 pm
Prof and Steven,

I fully agree with you guys this practice does not have any colour or gender. we are in this together, lets comment towards the issue in question and not the colour of the person.

Nice weekend

Notice Maila on May 21, 2010, 2:40 pm
Guys one thing for sure is true - corruption is bad in the country at the current moment and we now know why the stubborn Thabo was removed from power. It's like .. hey get out it is our time now to eat!! Anything standing between the trough and the corrupt will get a very hard kick! The sad part of this is that we decide to embrace stupid notions of lager mentality - see us & them - how sad our past keeps being reflected by our arguements!!! Prof von Drake - you hit the nail on the head machina! Here we go good points Chris Potgieter - you make us look forward to another South African day. But the whole debacle of this guy really doesn't surprise me - I think he's become so arrogant and bullish and now there is revolt within his camp - these instalments of wrong going - perhaps better for us. But I am scared as these type of things are glue that bind the Polokwane pirates! Ncindani madoda siyafa thina nguSARS!
Dubz Dabane-Obhoxayo on May 21, 2010, 2:42 pm
Yeah, we heard you the first time, Blunt and once agian your ignorance is the tip of the iceberg and sa the titanic.
Sam Blue on May 21, 2010, 2:43 pm
Blunt , What is the difference ?
Steve van Niekerk on May 21, 2010, 2:49 pm
A department employee said officials were reluctant to gainsay Shiceka on questionable spending. "It is because he is a dictator. You cannot say no to him."

I say "NO" to this man. Who the f... does he think he is.
Pale Rider on May 21, 2010, 3:16 pm
“You don’t always have to be right, but you do always have to take responsibility for being wrong” D A Benton, Comrade Shiceka is widely regarded as one of hardworking minister in the cabinet. I always listened when he speaks; he’s got eloquence and passion about his subject. But I’m sure that he doesn’t tolerate misappropriation of public funds. I will treat the allegation as mere allegation. If allegation that his CV is dodgy, I’m surely he will divulge the human error.Philani@Umlazi
Philani Lubanyana on May 21, 2010, 3:22 pm
Fraud whether academic or financial is not to be condoned. Equally insulting all blacks because you are angry with a few of them is bad. Fraud is not the preserve of blacks or black politicians. Here are some recent examples which some people conviniently forget when bashing blacks. Mr Cameron just appointed British PM was caught defrauding parliament, (a whole lot of them were caught in the same scam), he has not been demoted but elevated, Mercedes Benz has just paid a US$185m for bribery in the US, George Bush and Dick Chenney gave military and oil contracts to themselves and family members to the tune of billions.so please condemn all corruption, don't insult innocent blacks in the process
kuda ndizvozvo on May 21, 2010, 3:28 pm
O!! president! my president! you lied my president about firing ministers who're misusing public funds for themselves. Fire the minister now. Just suprice people and make an example by firing him.
Gaeonale Morwe on May 21, 2010, 3:35 pm
I hope this *sshole is not gonna take money from the GEPF (pension fund) to fund his dodgy deals.
Tinyiko Mapengo on May 21, 2010, 3:40 pm
Not suprised of the latest revelations though and I just wonder how one can be appointed as Minister of Corporate Governance and the rest of the beautiful titles without examining the previous role of such minister but then again ... Political Appointments.Preaching Corporate Governance at almost each media briefing without knowing what it means ... Shame on the Minister. Tax payers money going down the drain each time without accountability at all. I wonder how he evaluates performance in his Department or rather how he gets reviewed in terms corporate standards applications.For once, cant there be strict measures to all these politicians to account .... Our tax money ... eish !!
Fhumulani Magwabeni on May 21, 2010, 3:48 pm
@Noel Ndhlovu despite your diatribe at others in defense of black thieves. I can tell you from eperience that the use of the term holistically is not inaccurate. Being an employer for some 26 years it was only the blacks that 99% of the time took what did not belong to them.

Ask yourself why banks and other institutions have clamped down on procedures since 1994. Never up until the ANC took power did I have to submit my ID for every and any dealings.
Hugh Robinson on May 21, 2010, 4:49 pm
Dear Mr. Owen Walker.

Yes, there are men of honour in the ANC.

Your hypothesis is not logically arrived at, and is therefore flawed, weak and falls flat. This country belongs to all South Africans, black and white. What do you mean by 'pitched up?'. Your comment is misdirected and the story about the minister should not be used to vent your recial vernom. Please restrict yourself to the issue and nothing else. Your nulified hypothesis, or rather claim that black cultures accept fraud and corruption as part of life is totally wrong.Come on my brother, let us engage and critisize in whatever way, but not just lampoon Africans as suggested in your comment.
Madidimalo Ramodumo on May 21, 2010, 5:20 pm
Isn't the argument that one prefers corruption over racism a bit like saying one prefers being raped by a family relative than a stranger?
How about us setting our standards higher as proud south african black people and demanding clean governance?
wors of darkness on May 21, 2010, 6:52 pm
Blunty...

You're taking the piss, right? You shouldn't have to choose either. Welcome to democracy!!

ps: The reason I'm probably going to vote DA in the next elections (and never ANC again) is because I believe that the DA have more of an interest in YOUR kid's future then this ANC does. I'm glad democracy allows me to do this. Viva democracy! :D
cANCer survivor on May 21, 2010, 7:42 pm
I stand in awe of all the comments made so far. It is strange how we tend to generalised people and subjects, although things are done only by a few. We should today be very greatful that we have a platform such as this to express ourselves. However, moaning and groaning is never going to change anything. If at all, the people whom we are moaning and groaning against aren't affected in any way. When we point out corruption, shouldn't we first try and get the facts and come up with a solution to a problem we have identified? Yes I know some of these problems make us feel powerless because it is caused by the powerful, but can we at least try. Today I just want to say that some of us who throw stones on this platform are the ones who were throwing stones during the apartheid era against the majority. Now the tides have turned and we don't like the picture in the mirror. It is a strange world indeed!
Dina Pakote on May 21, 2010, 8:48 pm
And just because the M&G; did it's own investigations, it is taken as the truth by the class chatterers ... typical.

Eish ! The Moxster
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For such a shitty publication in your eyes, you don't seem to miss a single sentence daily. I wonder why....
inyourface on May 21, 2010, 9:29 pm
hehehehe....i maintain that i'd rather have "corrupt" black leaders than racist whites Bluntly Spoke.
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How can a confirmed racist call others are racist?? how convenient to group the 'corrupt' in charge with the 'racists' that are not.
Sorry!! I forgot for a moment that black people are incapable of being racist.
You accept corruption quite readily. Considering the 'corrupt' haven't given, are not giving or will ever give you anything, I take you are quite happy being so un-ambitious and flat-footed. That's exactly what they want from you, to be a vociferous lttle useful idiot. Nice food is spurting from their mouths at their thoughts of you. That's from trying to laugh and chew at the same time.
inyourface on May 21, 2010, 9:42 pm
Nobody "errs" about a qualification. You either have the degree or you haven't.

If you say you have it when you haven't, you haven't erred. You've lied.

And you are exposed as a liar. Shiceka is a liar.
Atlas Reader on May 21, 2010, 9:52 pm
Allistair Sparks noted that corruption is now in the bones of the ANC. The big question is why normally vociferous ANC supporters are so silent about the endemic corruption within the ANC? Government debt is growing, the poor are getting poorer, and next year more is going to be squeezed out of us in taxes to support this ANC empire of corruption.Come on ANC supporters, is this what you voted for?
Mahomed Farouk Cassim on May 21, 2010, 10:36 pm
@Hugh Robinson

Please see @Madidimalo Ramodumo on May 21, 2010, 5:20 pm. I think the response addressed @ Owen Walker is equally applicable to you. Racism will not assist us in addressing corruption in South Africa. We need to look beyond race to deal with our problems. To reiterate, corruption is a big problem; if affects everyone in South Africa (including black people, Mr Robinson) and we - all South Africans regardless of race, colour, creed, gender, sex, religious affliation - need to fight this scourge. Regarding producing IDs every so often, some of us have had to do so throughout our lives. So much for diatribe, Mr Robinson.
Noel Ndhlovu on May 22, 2010, 12:12 am
Heh Chris: completely agree mate. Bloody Afrikanerdom; but I fear SA won't survive the ANC like it did the Nats. Plus the nats weren't hellbent on the destruction of SA, just it's moral soul.

Apartheid at least had a health system, working infrastructure, and babies surviving in hospitals. Let's not mention crime or basic services...,
Australia_is_ Great on May 22, 2010, 12:39 am
People, calm down...corruption in any form, colour, race or creed is deplorable. It's quite sickening though that media consummers, no, (some) react with so much emotion/passion/pain and, and, and when they read newspapers. First off, I find this story, and note, STORY, kind of shallow and all over the place. The department staffer speaks of a function...yet the esteemed reporter equates that to a party outright...maybe I need to be educated. Secondly, if the writer, not reporter was truly concerned and genuine why not give us guillible(at times) and irrate readers some Rand and cents side of the same story to qualify our anger/disgust, etc. Thirdly, when are media consummers ever going to be sure that what they read daily is factual information, fiction or old wives tale? Remember source anonymity is supreme! Pigmentation-free rich man tell me where you get it!
Simiso Ndlovu on May 22, 2010, 12:45 am
@ Sam Blue, you wrote, '... in the Western World, the politicians found out-they get axed...here...NADA.'

Liar. Example, noone was axed on the UK expense scandal.

Do us all a farvour and quit this holier than thou attitude.
dread dread6 on May 22, 2010, 3:29 am
Dread6: PLEASE don't try and compare the credibility of first world politicians to the rabble you support. It's rather sad.
Australia_is_ Great on May 22, 2010, 5:28 am
I am white, Afrikaans and stay in Mthatha. This town fell apart, and we were desperate. On behalf of the Rate Payers Association, I contacted the Minister to intervene, AND HE DID!! This man really made a difference, he is really trying. It is a pity that he also have feet of clay. It is true, a black man see a position of power different then a white man...history is self explanatory, the chiefs and indunas had everything, and the masses were mere servants
schumi schumi on May 22, 2010, 7:51 am
dread dread6 -Bull, a top official wrecked his career and that of his wife simply for using a government card to view an adult film. Have you seen the witch-hunt that's currently going on in Spain to root out corrupt polititians? What about the french oil scandals? it took some 15 years but the guys took the fall eventually. That should open your eyes. That some get away with it is clear and every man has his price, even an investigator, but to say ther are no culprits caught is a complete fallacy.
Here at home, it seems that open theft (monetary or position)and corruption is an earned privilege and the general message is 'I'm stealing and there is nothing you can do about it because the party will simply let me'
Zero accountability in South Africa and any comparison with what anyone else does or did will not deny the fact.
inyourface on May 22, 2010, 11:47 am
The naivete on this page is astounding! To those who cannot understand 'corruption' - there is only one word you need to understand - it is 'destructive' !!! This government - from the top down will destroy this country and those who aspired to the good life - ie good education, health services and a decent job will never see these ever, unless corruption is stopped in its tracks and those guilty of it are brought to book. For those who point fingers at the UK government - get your facts straight - they were axed or investigated and then the rules were changed to close the loopholes. As workers are allowed to strike at the drop of a hat - it would be in order that disgruntled tax payers also strike - that should give the gravytraineers room to think about who's bank account they are raiding.
sue topham on May 22, 2010, 12:24 pm
I think we are missing the point about Shiceka's qualification.I doubt that the Minister himself wrote his profile which shows him as having a Master's degree. This could have been an innocent error on the part of the staff writer who posted the profile on the department's website.There is that strong posibility. We must also remember that politicians do not always get appointed to leadership positions based on educational achievement, whether that is ideal is another debate entirely. The fact that he is left with few modules to finish his Master's degree points to a posibility of an innocent error in his profile.
Mntambo Gigaga on May 22, 2010, 12:57 pm
@Sue Topham. You are absolutely right - corruption means MUCH less (if any) money to put towards vital services such as
EDUCATION
HEALTH
HOUSING
WATER
An efficient (AND HONEST) Police Force

All TAX PAYERS must STRIKE.... Enough is Enough.

As Customers (as Taxpayers) of the Government who do not receive the service paid for, I consider we have every moral and legal right not to pay.
jean wright on May 22, 2010, 1:41 pm
Who needs racist whites to do damage to the blacks, they are very competent to do it to them self's viva anc viva , and they love it to stay in shacks and earn peanuts , just watch the next elections what they prefer. As long as my president and his cronies are happy the rest will suffer and will vote the same.African intelligences
andre grobler on May 22, 2010, 5:41 pm
Heavens, so this is what the struggle was for - to put this trash into power? Gaan kak in die mielies...
Wilhelm Snyman on May 22, 2010, 10:10 pm
I'm still strugling to see corruption in these allegations, this was a lazy journalism. I mean common, disgruntled Depatment staff approach M&G; reporter with allegations and the reporter contacts the Department's spokesperson to comment on the allegations AND she has a story- THAT'S VERY SHALLOW. If the Department says it is keeping the car because of contractual obligation with the car dealer then it's that, our reporter never checked if such a lease agreement exists. The Department says the car is only used occasionally, again the reporter does not offer us something to suggest otherwise- I am sure little efforts like checking car mileage could tell a thing or two, the reporter never did. The reports says the Department paid for Shiceka's mother birth day party, the Department says it has no record of such transactions- I accept that unless the reporter gives me convincing facts. The reporter says that M&G; is in position of irregular expenditure evidence amounting to R 1,8 MILLION which is allegedly linked to Shiceka's office - I SAY, if the paper was able to get such information surely the reporter was in the position to also obtain documentation of the alleged birth day party transactions by the Department. I am willing to give Minister Shiceka the benefit of the doubt - Mmanaledi's story is very shallow for me to shout corruption at the Minister. Fellow readers, please let's look at the article objectively and put our prejudices aside
Mntambo Gigaga on May 22, 2010, 10:21 pm
@Noel
What's racist about expressing disgust at the clearly demonstrated moral bankruptcy of the ANC - the fact that its 99% Black is their fault,not ours.
Bovril 24 on May 23, 2010, 11:42 am
@Bovril

Nowhere in my comments have I mentioned the ANC, its racial composition or its "moral bankrupcy". My comments througout have been based on Owen Wilson's hypothesis that "black cultures accept fraud and corruption as part of life. If the white man had not pitched up, fraud and corruption would not be illegal and wrong." If there is a denial that this hypothesis (which by definition is untested theory) has racist undertones, then we have problems in accepting racist attitudes. I have stated throughout that corruption is a huge problem in South Africa. Like many others on this blog, I have stated that corruption knows no colour. To argue that it is part of "black cultures" is very unfortunate as I am a black person and I do not accept corruption and fraud as part of my culture.
Noel Ndhlovu on May 23, 2010, 11:44 pm
A Reply to Mahlogonolo E

In a Masters study whether structured or unstructured, if one has not completed part of the paper modules/theses, then he/she has not formally completed the degree, and not having the degree confered to him/her by the University.
If fareness is closer to the thruth, then your claim leaves much to be desired.
xolisa ngcingwana on June 2, 2010, 3:26 pm
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