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Rudd's backers concede defeat

By political editor Chris Uhlmann

Updated June 24, 2010 08:34:00

Julia Gillard is inching closer to becoming Prime Minister, as number crunchers on both sides agree she will win this morning's leadership ballot against Kevin Rudd.

As the numbers are being frantically counted ahead of the ballot at 9:00am AEST, the ABC understands Ms Gillard has secured more than 70 votes, while Mr Rudd has just 30.

Supporters for Mr Rudd dispute the size of the margin, but have acknowledged that Ms Gillard will take over as Prime Minister.

This morning Ms Gillard's supporters told the ABC there was a push to get Mr Rudd not to contest the vote.

One supporter of Mr Rudd said: "You can't have a show where you have got to look over your shoulder all the time. It's clear where you end up. You end up as New South Wales."

A win for Ms Gillard would install her as Australia's 27th prime minister and its first female leader. She is expected to have Treasurer Wayne Swan as her Deputy Prime Minister.

Senior West Australian MP Gary Gray says he has no trouble supporting Ms Gillard. "From my own personal position, I'll be supporting Julia," he said. "I think Julia will win today."

Frontbencher Craig Emerson says he will be voting for Mr Rudd. "I have a conservative view of these matters. I have always voted for the leader," he said.

Mr Rudd called a late night press conference to announce the spill after a long meeting with Ms Gillard and party elder statesman, John Faulkner, last night.

"It's important I believe, in the interests of the Party and the Government, for these matters to be resolved as a matter of urgency," Mr Rudd said.

The moves against Mr Rudd began several weeks ago when one of Mr Rudd's supporters, New South Wales right powerbroker Mark Arbib, approached his Victorian counterpart David Feeney to sound out the possibility of a leadership change.

That was prompted by a series of disastrous polls which showed the Prime Minister's approval plummeting and taking the party's primary vote with it.

Yesterday morning the two powerbrokers met with Ms Gillard. They returned at noon saying that they could guarantee the support of the majority of right wing Caucus members in New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia and Western Australia.

They told the Deputy Prime Minister that the party would lose the election if Mr Rudd continued to lead it. They said they believe the party will win under Ms Gillard.

Party sources tell the ABC that Ms Gillard agreed that the party faced electoral annihilation with Mr Rudd at the helm.

As a series of secretive meetings were held around Parliament House the ABC became aware of the moves against the Prime Minister and broke the story on air and online at 7:00pm AEST.

That accelerated events as the conspirators were hoping to finalise their plans without the media catching on. As it played out it became clear that even senior ministers were unaware of the power play.

One Cabinet minister told the ABC: "I am sitting in my office watching all this unfold on TV. I have no part in this and no idea what's going on. This is madness."

Rudd's pitch

Announcing the party room spill, Mr Rudd listed his achievements and unfinished plans.

"I was elected by the people of Australia as Prime Minister of Australia. I was elected to do a job," he said.

"I intend to continue doing that job. I intend to continue doing it to the absolute best of my ability. Part of that job has been to steer this country through the worst economic crisis the world has ever seen in 75 years. I believe the Government has acquitted itself well to that task.

"Part of the reason the Government was elected was to deliver fundamental reforms in the health and hospital system. I believe the Government has acquitted itself well to that task as well.

"Part of what the Government was elected to do was also to deliver fair outcomes for pensioners in Australia, and I believe we've done that well by increasing the pension to the extent that we have.

"These are important reforms; infrastructure, education, health, hospitals, closing the gap with Indigenous Australians, also the apology to the first Australians. As Prime Minister of the country I'm proud of each and every one of these achievements. There is much more to be done and we intend to get on with the job of doing it."

And after weeks of denying the internal disquiet at his leadership style he admitted that he knew some in his ranks were out to get him.

"It's become apparent to me in the course of the last period of time, the last several weeks, that a number of factional leaders within the Labor Party no longer support my leadership," he said.

"That is why it is imperative that this matter be resolved".

"I was elected by the people of Australia to do a job. I was not elected by the factional leaders of the Australian Labor Party to do a job, though they may be seeking to do a job on me, that's a separate matter."

Never popular

Mr Rudd never enjoyed the popular support of his party and his autocratic style has further soured the relationship. His centralisation of decisions and the narrowness of the group of ministers he consulted is being blamed for many of the party's woes.

The feeling against him is visceral.

One powerbroker said: "This crypto-fascist made no effort to build a base in the party. Now that his only faction, Newspoll, has deserted him he is gone."

The collapse in the polls followed hard on the heels of the decision to suspend the Government's push to set up an emissions trading system.

Having declared climate change the greatest moral and ethical challenge of our time, the electorate reacted viciously and polling on both sides showed many voters lost faith in the Prime Minister.

Others in the party say it is the steady flow of asylum seekers that is killing the Government in marginal seats.

Last night Mr Rudd suggested he was not behind those decisions and suggested that, if he was removed, the party would lurch to the right chasing votes.

"I believe it is absolutely wrong for this country and absolutely wrong in terms of the values which we hold dear, to get engaged in some sort of race to the right in this country on the question of asylum seekers, I don't think that's the right thing to do," he said.

"That's the direction the Liberal Party would like to take us, under my leadership we will not be going in that direction.

"Furthermore, can I say this, on the question of emissions trading which you have raised and obviously is a matter of great controversy in the community.

"Let me be very clear. Action on climate change cannot be achieved in the absence of an emissions trading scheme. We need a price on carbon. And that price on carbon needs to be put on it within a reasonable timeframe. That would be the decision of the government, assuming I am re-elected as Prime Minister."

This Prime Minister usually doesn't sleep much. He won't have sleep at all last night.

This is unprecedented. These are historic times. And should he fall today, history will not be kind to Mr Rudd.

Tags: government-and-politics, federal-government, political-parties, labor-party, person, rudd-kevin, gillard-julia, australia

First posted June 24, 2010 01:02:00

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  • ABC (Moderator):

    24 Jun 2010 7:15:37am

    Would you be happy to see Julia Gillard become prime minister at this time?

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    • Big Yin:

      24 Jun 2010 7:22:17am

      No! I don't want to see another Labor government EVER. This lot are the worst, in my lifetime.

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      • No time for the ultra right:

        24 Jun 2010 7:56:47am

        She might just spoil your election party? Is that it?

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        • Joe:

          24 Jun 2010 8:41:45am

          Abott must be feeling very nervous today

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        • Joe:

          24 Jun 2010 8:48:21am

          Bob Brown may also be feeling nervous too.

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        • Janus:

          24 Jun 2010 8:59:37am

          You can only get away with being a cranky, rude man for so long. Things have finally caught up with Kev.

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        • Yogi:

          24 Jun 2010 9:03:39am

          I would really like someone to dig into what direct role, if any, the mining companies had in this coup. I wonder if there were proposals from Rio/BHP/others to the Labor Party/Unions along the lines of "dump Rudd and revise this tax, and we will cut short the ad spend and send some of it your way for the election"? Whatever the case, this sure has the look of the miners running the country, as if that wasn't obvious.

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        • Joe:

          24 Jun 2010 9:00:18am

          Now in the Libs camp, factions are conspiring to replace Abbott with Turnbull to counter the new development!

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      • AA:

        24 Jun 2010 7:59:52am

        No. You're the worst.

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        • factions:

          24 Jun 2010 8:55:50am

          factions means democracy!
          We have elected a party, but not an individual as in a presidential-sytem.

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      • Gaz:

        24 Jun 2010 8:05:18am

        Its ironic. Labor made such an issue at 3 consecutive elections that the people would vote for Howard but end up with Costello.

        They were wrong each time.

        It is now Labor who have changed the elected representative. Hypocrisy at its finest.

        The people of Australia deserve better, bring on the election!

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        • EssJay:

          24 Jun 2010 8:52:14am

          I agree. Bring on the election so that Gillard and Co can whip some Liberal butt and turn Abbott into his self-prophesied "political roadkill"!

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        • Felixoftherealworld:

          24 Jun 2010 9:03:13am

          Like caucus, you seem quick to dump your beloved messiah essjay. Are all labor people bereft of morals?

          Happiest day since November 2007! ;-)

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      • Bruco:

        24 Jun 2010 8:14:44am

        God help the country if Tony Abbott ever becomes Prime Minister. We had enough of that rubbish under John Howard.

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        • Tim Hoff:

          24 Jun 2010 8:25:07am

          NO Julia Gillard has shown today that she is just a puppet for the union led factions just like Christina in NSW.

          The ALP factions have just about destroyed NSW & now they want to do it to the rest of the country.

          At least Rudd distanced himself from these faceless collectivists and as a result they have been chafing at the bit to bring him down.

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        • Oscar:

          24 Jun 2010 8:57:40am

          "Julia Gillard has shown today that she is just a puppet for the union led factions"

          That is simply false jingoism! Gillard is supported by the RIGHT factions in the ALP. Get your facts straight and try harder next time.

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        • david:

          24 Jun 2010 8:25:16am

          YEAH ALL THAT RUBBISH......economic reform to put us back into surplass after the last labour government raided the piggy bank for no result. strong growth in many industrial sectors, oh and the implimentation of the first home owners grant...... wow what have this lot done.....4 dead,, billions wasted again.. oh and we are broke again, look out greece make room on the world dole queue. gillard yeah she dosent even know how much a building should cost now she is running the country WTF

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        • BT:

          24 Jun 2010 8:43:31am

          Why are you comparing Australia with Greece? Personally I don't see the connection. Australia has been one of the strongest economies throughout this financial crisis, Greece has been one of the worst affected. We're not heading for the dole queue, we're doing pretty well relative to the rest of the world.

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        • brunia:

          24 Jun 2010 8:52:39am

          Broke again? Please do your homework before making inaccurate statements.
          Also they got rid of work choices, saved us from the recession, started much needed health reform, increased pensions, got Telstra onboard for national broadband, started tax reforms with a proposed tax on big mining to give a greater share of the profits to the Australian people where it belongs.

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        • EssJay:

          24 Jun 2010 8:53:03am

          Howard left us with a $57 billion structural deficit!

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        • Felixoftherealworld:

          24 Jun 2010 9:04:49am

          At least he lasted more than one term as PM and didn't get stabbed in the back by his OWN party!

          Given his propensity for backflips - you;d think he would have seen this coming.........

          Classic! ;-)

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        • bj:

          24 Jun 2010 8:33:04am

          Agreed. We should embrace Gillard's 1950s approach to industrial relations where everyone's part of The Union.

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        • EssJay:

          24 Jun 2010 8:54:05am

          ... as opposed to the Liberal's SerfChoices which took us back hundreds of years to the days of the Master and his serfs!

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        • Gaz:

          24 Jun 2010 8:46:36am

          Bruco

          And what do you call Labors antics of the last 2.5 years and especially last 24 hours?

          Open at least 1 eye and have a look at the real picture!

          Its closed shop voters such as yourself that is getting Australia into such a mes.

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        • El Guapo:

          24 Jun 2010 9:01:49am

          What mess are you talking about. Our Economy is booming un-employment is going down and interest rates are steady. Economically the role of the goverment is exagerated, and you took the bait hook line and sinker.

          Tony Abott has nothing new to offer to this Country. All thier policies were tested during Howard's reing. And the little they did was a disgrace. Every election they kept buying votes using the regional grants and thats my frieds how you win elections.

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      • Green Day:

        24 Jun 2010 8:33:53am

        They all smell of the same thing. Rudd, Gillard, they still reek of Labour.

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        • EssJay:

          24 Jun 2010 8:54:38am

          And Abbott reeks of Liberal. So what is your point?

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      • ben:

        24 Jun 2010 8:46:58am

        How old are you?? Three?
        Do you not remember the howard years??

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    • Paul:

      24 Jun 2010 7:24:39am

      Yes.

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    • Boo:

      24 Jun 2010 7:26:17am

      With Gillard at the helm I might consider a vote for Labor. A choice between Gillard and Abbott is a much easier one than between Rudd and Abbott. Still, Labor have been incredibly inept and they have a lot of damage to repair.

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      • david:

        24 Jun 2010 8:26:52am

        hey dopey you dont vote for a person you vote for the party that best provides stable prosperous government... its not a popularity contest.. thats called a FN pagent.

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        • Scotty:

          24 Jun 2010 8:53:34am

          In theory yes. Reality is most vote for the party of the leader they like most or hate the least.

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        • the yank:

          24 Jun 2010 9:01:53am

          OH really? Since when has the leader of the party not impacted on the votes tht party received. Dopey indeed.

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    • Peace9:

      24 Jun 2010 7:29:15am

      YES CERTAINLY.

      THIS WILL ALSO BE THE END OF TONY ABBOTT'S POLITICAL CAREER!!!

      SHE WILL WIN HANDS DOWN BOTH THE LEADERSHIP AND THE GENERAL ELECTION HANDS DOWN.

      GOOD BUY TONY ABBOTT1

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      • Bustard:

        24 Jun 2010 7:59:52am

        Strange comments there Peace9, I don't think today is about Tony Abbott, it should be about what is best for our country. If you just want to support a team go to the Rugby League section.
        Julie needs to perform quickly on climate change, tax reform and refugees amoungst other things, as well as keep the economy bouyant.
        I hope she is sucessful for all our sakes.
        Good luck Julia.
        I'm happy to see the back of Rudd, I consider him a fake with little backbone and an evil temper.

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        • MJS2:

          24 Jun 2010 8:29:13am

          Doing whatever has to be done to stop Tony Abbott is what is best for our country

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        • EssJay:

          24 Jun 2010 8:55:25am

          What's best for our country is not having Abbott as PM.

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        • Pegaso:

          24 Jun 2010 8:59:43am

          Tony Abbott does figure in this equation in that had the Liberals shown more intelligence and over ruled the Howard acolytes Malcolm Turnbull would have been leading the Conservatives to the next election and that would have been a more difficult election for labor.
          As it is Turnbull will become the leader

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      • John Thomas:

        24 Jun 2010 8:24:25am

        What has Abbott got to do with it?

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        • Spinner:

          24 Jun 2010 8:36:32am

          PM Gillard will, as she has done in the past, have him for breakfast.

          The measure of the man is about to be demonstrated.

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      • Tim Hoff:

        24 Jun 2010 8:32:37am

        The Labor party has turned into a calamity since faced with some real Opposition.

        Abbott has totally turned around the fortunes of the Coalition and will be going nowhere, win or lose.

        It won't take long for Julia's puppet strings to get tangled.

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    • jws:

      24 Jun 2010 7:29:55am

      Only sbout 3000% more thsan I'd like to see Tony Abbott - so Iguess that's a YES!

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    • elector1:

      24 Jun 2010 7:30:34am

      Yes
      Kevin Rudd is simply in the wrong political party. At least we know where the Libs are ( on the right) but we have no idea what Rudd and the ALP stands for. Gillard will bring the ALP back to its traditions. We then have a choice - left or right.

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      • N:

        24 Jun 2010 8:01:32am

        Isn't she being installed by the right of Labour though? Aren't they pushing for a tougher line on asylum seekers?

        As good as Julia is, a win for her is a win for the right and Labour will swing further that way and not back to the left.

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      • Chris H:

        24 Jun 2010 8:13:49am

        Kidding yourself, she has been the Minister for Workplace Relations and she is the one who is not acted to protect Construction Workers and other workers.

        The problem with Gillard is that she pretends she is from the Left.

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      • Hugh Jarse:

        24 Jun 2010 8:39:28am

        What an amusing notion ... the ALP as the "left" of Australian politics. Tee hee

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      • rob1966:

        24 Jun 2010 8:46:31am

        Gillard is formt he left faction, but will be beholden tot he NSW right if she gets supported to the position of PM.

        You know, the NSW right that has given us the likes of Iemma, Rees, Kenneally, Arbib, Obied, Tripodi, Costa, O'Neill, etc ...

        I have to admit that I'm not really sure I like that proposition.

        To top that off, the Unions are crowing that they like the prospect of Gillard as PM ... you have to wonder why?

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    • Horrocks:

      24 Jun 2010 7:30:51am

      NO

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    • AG:

      24 Jun 2010 7:37:57am

      No! (Another female voter)

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    • lady lardbottom:

      24 Jun 2010 7:38:30am

      Since I'm not all that fond of the idea of seeing PM Abbott, yes I am...

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    • PSmith:

      24 Jun 2010 7:41:48am

      I love the smell of a new Prime Minister in the morning. It smells like... Victory.

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    • phb:

      24 Jun 2010 7:56:25am

      Yes and no.

      Yes (the optimist) that the damage done to the Labor party by Rudd may have some chance of being repaired before the election.

      No (the pessimist)that it will confirm who is pulling the strings in the Labor Party (viz. not the elected members). This will also cause irreparable damage to the parties reputation, and will be exploited by the Liberal Party and may in fact be as damaging as leaving Rudd as PM.

      It is amazing to see the Labor Government slake in a matter of months, weeks and hours.

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    • Rob:

      24 Jun 2010 8:00:37am

      Not a chance, Julia was not elected, it is political suicide to change leaders at this stage, regardless of what you think of Julia why would you vote for a government that is clearly not unified this close to an election, what is going to change in such a short space of time, regardless of the internal feeling they all should have supported Rudd publicly and then if they had to post a challenge after the election, this just shows they have no idea what they are doing...

      Rob

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      • EssJay:

        24 Jun 2010 9:01:22am

        " ... Julia was not elected ..."

        Ah, hello. She won her seat just the same as Rudd. Australia does not vote directly for PM - we vote for candidates in our electorate. The position of leader, whether it be PM or Opposition Leader is voted for by the elected members of the parties.

        As for unity, it is reported that 70 out of 112 will vote her as PM - that's a majority of 42. It runs rings around Abbott's win which was only by 1 vote. So I think you can safely say that Julia's election is pretty much a good indication of party unity.

        I think you have no idea what you are talking about Rob.

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    • Howard:

      24 Jun 2010 8:02:39am

      Yes.
      She is very smart but as much of a technocrat as Rudd.

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    • Politically Incorrect:

      24 Jun 2010 8:05:35am

      Kevin Rudd is a conservative, I would much rather see a Left vs Right election as opposed to center-Right to Right Wing election.

      This would aslo make Gillard the first Left Prime Minister since Bob Hawke (my favourate politician ever).

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    • vella:

      24 Jun 2010 8:06:39am

      love to see Julia PM . a proud day for Australias women

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      • Anne Thomas:

        24 Jun 2010 8:28:20am

        Why base your political views purely on gender? You quickly write off any credibility for direction for what is best for Australia.

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        • the yank:

          24 Jun 2010 9:04:33am

          Why not? I would also vote for her because is a hard worker and a good communicator. Plenty of men have been put into positions of power with nothing more then their sex speaking for them.

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      • david:

        24 Jun 2010 8:32:07am

        Dont just vote for her because she is a woman, a woman in charge may be great for our country, but the needs of the country come first so find a woman who can count for starters and wont just parrot out garbage from the labour corkus.

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      • Mellisa:

        24 Jun 2010 8:33:39am

        What a sexist thing to say. She will be a good PM because she is a woman?

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    • Tax Me:

      24 Jun 2010 8:09:37am

      At age 30 Gillard became partner in law firm Slater & Gordon. Not bad going by any stretch. At age 35 she was duped by a conman, and she said she was naive. Now at age 49 she is about to become PM. There will be no excuses Ms Gillard. As Rudd found out, the buck will stop with you. There will be no hiding behind naivety. It will interesting to see how your decisions as a member of the "Gang Of Four" - along with Rudd, Tanner and Swan - come back to haunt. All I can say is, good luck as you may need it. The factions and the unions will be right behind you!!

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    • BLZBob:

      24 Jun 2010 8:10:29am

      Yes! not that the party will be very different because of it, but it will please all those dopes who thing the PM makes the party and not the other way around.
      Julia will though I suspect make better use of her team.
      And she certainly can't be accused of being a "one MAN show".

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    • Bernie Gee:

      24 Jun 2010 8:12:21am

      Anna Bligh became Queensland's first female Premier by default after taking over from another egoist in Peter Beattie and look at the debacle she created. The best of luck Australia, we're going to need it.

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      • Spinner:

        24 Jun 2010 8:43:35am

        You have conveniently omitted the fact that she has since been re-elected in her own right.

        And I think you will find that the problems Queensland faces are so great that the State opposition (whatever they call themselves at this point in time) are secretly hoping they don't get voted into power and inherit those difficulties.

        Central administration of such a wide spread population base are creating enormous problems requiring such infrastructure that there is simply not enough money to go around.

        Probably we as the spreading population are more to blame than are our political leaders (who by the way promise solutions knowing only too well that they could never be delivered).

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    • Tj:

      24 Jun 2010 8:17:08am

      No

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    • aldebaran:

      24 Jun 2010 8:17:48am

      No.
      I don't particularly like Rudd but I loathe a mutineer. If Julia "Brutus" Gilliard is the party elected Prime Minister, an early election needs to be held so that we, the people, can decide who is our elected leader.

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    • Terri:

      24 Jun 2010 8:24:31am

      After being fooled by his amicable 2007 persona, Australians finally worked out who the true Rudd was. It will be the same for Julia- her air of competence will slip away in the eyes of Australians who will see her as what she is- another party hack, embroiled up to her neck in the terrible policies of the Rudd Govt.

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    • Spinner:

      24 Jun 2010 8:34:15am

      Absolutely.

      There is a chance (despite her backing by so much of the right of the ALP), that Ms Gillard might be successful in returning the party to its socially conscious roots.

      After so many years of the dishonesty of the economic extremists of the extreme right wing parties, this country is desperate for a return to decency and meaningful social values.

      Morality may just replace economic rationalism (worship of the god dollar).

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    • the yank:

      24 Jun 2010 8:40:17am

      Absolutely. Abbott you are toast.

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    • Mark:

      24 Jun 2010 8:47:25am

      Yes and no.

      I think she would be a better leader, more inclusive, etc. But I don't like the fact that some unelected unionist in NSW is deciding who's the next leader of the country.

      Isn't that our job as voters?

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    • Hekler:

      24 Jun 2010 8:48:27am

      I feel totally cheated. I wanted the right to kick him out of office.

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    • gregor:

      24 Jun 2010 8:54:39am

      to any body who ever had an doubt about real power in the labour party the AWU has burst from the closet. I do not think Julia Gillard can win the election.

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    • Mary:

      24 Jun 2010 8:56:30am

      No but then I wouldn't be happy with Abbott either

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    • Felixoftherealworld:

      24 Jun 2010 9:01:39am

      Who cares - as long as it's not Kevin. ;-)

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    • DavidR:

      24 Jun 2010 9:04:54am

      Gillard saw an opportunity and has taken it. With preferential votes Rudd would have survived.

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  • woolkebb:

    24 Jun 2010 7:23:48am

    absolutely!!!!!

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  • RossM:

    24 Jun 2010 7:24:15am

    One word.

    NO.

    For those who believe that the ALP are not run by the unions, last nights events should dispell that untruth forever.

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    • cs:

      24 Jun 2010 7:52:15am

      Yes Yes Yes
      and RossM Id rather have a party influenced by the Unions who stand for mass worker's rights than a party beholden to the mining coorporations who stand for mass profit of a few

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    • Cafe:

      24 Jun 2010 7:58:27am

      Oh and I guess that makes the libs run by the corporations...lemme see, unions who are trying to get money out of the corporations and into my pocket, or corporations that are trying to get money out of my pocket and into theirs...no contest really!

      Go Julia!

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    • Mark:

      24 Jun 2010 8:08:05am

      as opposed to the Liberal party not being run by big business, the opposition to the mining tax should dispell that untruth forever

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    • BLZBob:

      24 Jun 2010 8:18:55am

      strangely, it was the right wing of the labor party that has instigated this move not the unions.

      So RossM it proves you don't have a clue about who is running the show.

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  • Karen from Qld:

    24 Jun 2010 7:24:50am

    It is a bit like asking who would like to see as captain the Titanic

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    • BLZBob:

      24 Jun 2010 8:20:32am

      What one who is heading for an ice burg or one who is plotting a course to miss it?
      No choice really.

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    • Bendaddy:

      24 Jun 2010 8:28:13am

      Hah hah, great analogy, Karen!

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  • KW:

    24 Jun 2010 7:25:41am

    No way if she gets the job I won't be voting labor next election and I am a female voter.

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    • david:

      24 Jun 2010 8:35:37am

      Good for you its nice to see an intelligent woman

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  • paul:

    24 Jun 2010 7:25:42am

    BRING ON THE GREENS

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    • neat:

      24 Jun 2010 7:35:04am

      Vote green and you vote Labor back in.

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      • danielches:

        24 Jun 2010 7:57:21am

        neat, that is simply not true.

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      • TB:

        24 Jun 2010 8:05:42am

        Vote Green and you help keep the crazy coalition out of government while giving Labor the slap they deserve. Might even get some principled, intelligent and plain speaking people elected. That'd be a nice change.

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      • Politically Incorrect:

        24 Jun 2010 8:06:28am

        I would be happier with a Gillard Labor over a Rudd Labor or Abbott Liberal.

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      • Gaz:

        24 Jun 2010 8:08:04am

        Absolutely correct.

        80% of green preferences go to Labor, so a vote for Greens is no doubt a vote for Labor.

        Changing the person at the steering wheel does not repair the damage. Good bye labor!

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        • Logical Bog:

          24 Jun 2010 8:25:17am

          For the 'umpteenth' time, the preferences from a vote for the Greens - or any other minor party - GO EXACTLY WHERE YOU DIRECT THEM TO GO. The only way they don't is if the voter is too lazy or incompetent to work below the line on the senate ballot.

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        • Gaz:

          24 Jun 2010 8:49:15am

          Great in theory but many Australians tend to vote exactly as the how to vote card in front of them tells them how to vote. History shows 80% of green preferences go to Labor.

          Even the last election without Green preferences Labor would have lost.

          You can go on with your theoretical hype but fact is stranger than fiction.

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        • Dug:

          24 Jun 2010 8:27:41am

          Preferences go where you put them, you can vote whichever way you want so It's a vote for labor only if you want it to be

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      • Mark:

        24 Jun 2010 8:08:28am

        works for me

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    • david:

      24 Jun 2010 8:36:22am

      A vote for the greens is a vote for labour. if you dont believe me check the how to vote card

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      • under tow:

        24 Jun 2010 8:51:23am

        and what makes you think everyone is sillier enough to follow "how to vote" cards. On principle I never accept these cards, and I vote below the line according to MY preferences.

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      • Chris:

        24 Jun 2010 8:51:25am

        David: Once again....Please refer to Logical above, its your choice, you can completely ignore a how to vote card - don't be a sheep, think for yourself. Your preference is YOUR preference.

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      • Wade:

        24 Jun 2010 8:55:11am

        For the 'umpteenth' time, the preferences from a vote for the Greens - or any other minor party - GO EXACTLY WHERE YOU DIRECT THEM TO GO. The only way they don't is if the voter is too lazy or incompetent to work below the line on the senate ballot.

        QFT.

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      • marty:

        24 Jun 2010 8:57:40am

        It's so sad that people can't think for themselves and need a How To Vote card.

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  • Barry:

    24 Jun 2010 7:27:06am

    Let's get rid of rudd first then deal with gillard. I would hate to be in labor and on the anti rudd side if he gets back in. Can you imagine the vindictive attitude against you.

    For gillard to be in the leadership with her support for rudds policies can not do her much good surely. She needs to be in opposition, regroup and set her own policies on the basis of rudd's policies being so unfavorable without carrying his garbage.

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    • Tj:

      24 Jun 2010 8:20:52am

      Rudd does have a "long memory"

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    • Bruco:

      24 Jun 2010 8:29:37am

      Nothing wrong with the policies. They got rid of work choices, saved us from the recession, started much needed health reform, increased pensions, got Telstra onboard for national broadband, started tax reforms with a proposed tax on big mining to give a greater share of the profits to the Australian people where it belongs.

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      • Tj:

        24 Jun 2010 8:39:38am

        they changed the worckchoices name to Fair Work Australia
        the work of the previous government did more to stave off a recession
        they rejigged the GST and renigged on transparent funding distribution for health... the States still say what goes where.
        Testra deal, isn't a done deal
        the tac reform (lol) is taking a sledge hammer to the mining industry and the only seaworthy boats being tuned around are ore carriers

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      • Bondo:

        24 Jun 2010 9:02:26am

        Bruco, WHAT policies? Rudd has stuffed up Australia, every thing he has touched has been a disaster.

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  • livvy1:

    24 Jun 2010 7:27:59am

    The labor party has the choice to vote with fear but my family, like our football team will vote with our feet.. if this happens, we'll go green..very unaustralian to do this on the night our football team is playing

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    • Mike:

      24 Jun 2010 7:35:56am

      Your Green vote won't do anything to punish Labor unless you put Labor LAST on your ballot.

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      • Mhor:

        24 Jun 2010 8:22:09am

        Unless of course so many people vote for the Greens and they then end up as the Major party. Don't ignore the vote just because you don't believe your preferred party will get in, it only takes one person to change the world!

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      • david:

        24 Jun 2010 8:39:43am

        Even doing that mike if the candidate dosnt win the seat your vote gets allocated to the party that the greens choose under allocations therefor labour. so make sure the green candidate has a clear shot at winning or its a 1 for labour. Sorry thats how it works

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    • Crazy Craig Foster:

      24 Jun 2010 7:54:44am


      So everything should be put on hold in the party of national government, including the decision as to who will lead out country, when the socceroos are playing or otherwise they are "un-Australian? And you are going to place your vote based on this? Wow!

      Under Gillard, Labor will win with an increased majority.

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      • Gaz:

        24 Jun 2010 8:10:46am

        If that is the case, only shows how uneducated Australian voters are.

        Gillard is one of the Kitchen Cabinet. So nothing will change.

        Labor have done it in the states and now federally. They think by changing leaders they can dupe the voters.

        Let the fools be swayed but the strong will stay strong.

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  • H.H:

    24 Jun 2010 7:29:18am

    Aslong as we don't get Abott as PM, then yes.

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    • we decide:

      24 Jun 2010 7:41:54am

      So you're happy for trade unions to decide who'll be the PM? Borrowing from a famous Howard speech I'd say "We will decide who becomes Prime Minister of this country, and the circumstances in which they come"! The ALP should be ashamed.

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      • ea:

        24 Jun 2010 8:07:50am

        as the proud member of a union, i must remind you that the ALP was born of the union movement and is a political party created by workers (most commonly represented by unions).
        In that regard, the union movement does collectively have a high level of influence over what occurs in the ALP policy, they do this by being affiliated members of the party and lobbying the party. Anyone can participate in that process, it is not underhand or corrupt.
        I believe the Australian Workers Union spoke out of turn last night, I do not believe they could possibly have known that they were representative of their membership when they spoke on behalf of them. I believe that the Secretary of that union has done the wrong thing, but is a long long way from unions deciding who will be prime minister.
        Have you emailed your federal member to indicate who you would like for Prime Minister or would you rather whinge about the process than participate in it?

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        • we decide:

          24 Jun 2010 8:31:50am

          i'll participate in the process at the ballot box mate, as a citizen of a democratic country, not like an unrepresentative power broking thug. you "pround members of unions" just don't get it do you?

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        • Tory Boy:

          24 Jun 2010 8:43:20am

          What participation? We the PEOPLE have had no say in this. As a proud distruster of the union movement - I have no option but to rant on sites like this....

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        • Gaz:

          24 Jun 2010 8:53:24am

          If the unions are there solely for the so called workers of this country why have they built up $m war chest to fight political campaigns?

          Did they ask you as a member of the union movement if you wanted your membership spent in such a way.

          I was once a union delegate but walked away in disgust. Many of these unions have no regard for the membership they are just there for there own power feeding greed.

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      • Mark:

        24 Jun 2010 8:09:48am

        do you seriously believe that big business don't have a say in who leads the liberal party?

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  • Mike:

    24 Jun 2010 7:29:20am

    It will be a travesty of epic proportions if this incompetent government is able to coast back into power on the crest of the "Gillard honeymoon wave".

    I hope the opposition already has the writers getting to work on the TV ads pointing out that Julia is just as much a part of the decision making team that's amounted to the worst government Australia has had since federation as Rudd has been.

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  • Mick Moe:

    24 Jun 2010 7:30:26am

    hip hip hooray one down and one to go (julia) the sooner they get rid of these bunch of loosers the better all spin and no action, roll on the general election

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  • James:

    24 Jun 2010 7:30:30am

    Gillard is one of those people you put on your team for all the right reasons, and then she white-ants furiously from within. What will be her legacy; treachery or salvation?

    Personally, while she is strong and highly articulare, she lacks two critical things.

    Gillard has not made a family. If she can't manage this, she can't manage Australia.

    And secondly, she has not shown her softer side, her compassion, her empathy. No-one wants a mean leader. Will she compromise her personal ambitions for the nation?

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    • Thomas:

      24 Jun 2010 7:53:10am

      "Gillard has not made a family. If she can't manage this, she can't manage Australia."

      Mate it's 2010 not 1950! Chauvinist, much?

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      • dean:

        24 Jun 2010 8:13:08am

        Thats a bit rich, we are talking about politics, not bringing up children to maturity. Who knows she may make a good queen of Sheba. It may become a first for Australia but not internationaly.

        Even if the unions are exerting influence I dont think that means they can force Australians to vote a certain way on election day. Who influenced John Howard to bring the dogs in on the docks....who influnced John Howard to bring in the GST a second time ? Who influences Tony Abbot & Joe Hockey?

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    • Markus:

      24 Jun 2010 7:56:05am

      That's a bit of a cheap shot, isn't it? I see it as more that she's devoted her life to her work.

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    • Kelly:

      24 Jun 2010 8:01:02am

      The fact that Julia Gillard has not "made" a family does not mean that she cannot run a nation. What a completely ludicrous comment to make!

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      • Tj:

        24 Jun 2010 8:24:06am

        kinda makes a mockery of the Abbott beat ups, eh

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    • clare:

      24 Jun 2010 8:02:44am

      What has making a family got to do with it? Ridiculous connection to being able to lead a country

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    • Janey:

      24 Jun 2010 8:07:25am

      Right. I forgot that women, or anyone for that matter, should be judged solely on their choice to reproduce or not.
      Ignore their intelligence, competence, ability and experience if they haven't popped a few out - which is the natural, God given order of things - they couldn't possibly run a country.
      If she had children you'd all be banging on about how she was a terrible mother and neglecting her children for her own personal gains.

      I'm reserving my judgement for Ms Gillard until I see how see performs, like I would for any male or female. But as an educated, intelligent, young, able female I am DISGUSTED by this country's fascination with Ms Gillard's reproductive abilities solely as she is a woman. That is not the 21st Century Australia I thought we were in.

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    • puzzled:

      24 Jun 2010 8:12:05am

      Goodness James, which century do you think you live in??? It's 2010, and it is politics! One needs to be mean and cunning, sadly to survive. Not having family is a plus, she has more time for her work.

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    • Mark:

      24 Jun 2010 8:13:20am

      what a totally archiac statement 'if she can't make a family she can't manage Australia'. Unbelievable that this mentality still exists in this day and age, you must be a liberal voter mate. You probably want me to wear a pink triangle too, just to make sure everyone knows I'm gay and that those coloured folk should be serving us, not visa versa, sheeeesh.

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    • Politically Incorrect:

      24 Jun 2010 8:15:42am

      Because she's focused on her job and has no interest in being distracted by kids she's not suited for her job? Mate, join the 21st centuary.

      On the other thing: she usually approaches the media very calmly unlike the Rudd and Abbott showboat show. She can come off as human (her and Joe Hockey are the only 2 people in the major parties that can.)

      As far as people dont want mean PM's? I havent seen a PM with a soft side since Bob Hawke. Keating, Howard and Rudd I have not seen a shred of humanity in them. And after reading Battlelines (Phony Tony's book) I am genuinly affraid of an Abbott Government.

      My main support will be Greens or other socialist parties as I am far more to the Left than Labor have been since Keating rose to power, but I would rather Gillard in power over anyone else in the Lower House (2nd choice would be Joe Hockey).

      I can tollerate a progressive liberal or left of centre, but my ideal is a socialist. I cant tollerate the leaders we have now.

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      • munchie181:

        24 Jun 2010 9:03:16am

        Go Idea if it could happen, however what you have in this country is a right wing labor party and a left wing liberal party.

        As a liberal member for over 30 years even I would have to support extreme left wing party as there is no conservative party in australia any more

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  • Hamlet:

    24 Jun 2010 7:31:00am

    I think it would be better for her to have EARNED the position thatn to have had it defaulted to her by an incompetent K-Rudd.

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  • Duncan:

    24 Jun 2010 7:31:55am

    Whilst I Would be happy to see Julia gillard as pm, there must be an opportunity here for rudd and turnbull to launch a significant new political party. I think there are a fair few of us that are sick of having the nations political future determined by party powerbrokers.

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  • Penn:

    24 Jun 2010 7:33:46am

    What a great start to the day - it can only get better - a PM with charisma again.

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  • neat:

    24 Jun 2010 7:33:58am

    I'd rather see who the people voted in challenge for the next election, but how great would it be to see Rudd not only hated by the people but his own party. That would be sweet victory. As for Gillard being the next PM, God help us all because nothing will save K.Rudd.

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  • PeteW:

    24 Jun 2010 7:35:24am

    No. Nothing against Julia Gillard but this circus is no way to create a new PM. The electorate voted in kevin Rudd, the electorate should vote him out.

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  • Kristian Hayes:

    24 Jun 2010 7:35:40am

    I think it is a shame. Rudd should be given the opportunity to finish his first term and sound out the electorate on the issues that matter, come polling day. That is what elections are for, the Australian people to decide. How has Rudd really let the electorate down? Climate Change was one of the biggest selling points of Labor's 2007 victory surem, but it wasnt for lack of the Labor party trying, that an ETS never got through the parliament. Certainly not an outcome people can expect Rudd to be solely responsible for, after all it cost two Opposition Leaders' their job. Rudd has had his good moments, we shouldnt overlook them. His intial steps in the area of reconcilliation were commendable, his commitment to getting the states on board with his health and hospital policy, showed outstanding leadership. Rudd led Labor to a very significant political victory in 2007. Not even 3 years removed, Rudd deserves a better deal from his peers in the party.

    It would have been nice for Gillard to make history as Australia's first elected and therefore, truly representative, female PM. Not this way, Julia.

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    • Nathan:

      24 Jun 2010 8:37:14am

      This is how the ALP work. Just look at NSW.

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  • Algernon:

    24 Jun 2010 7:35:45am

    I have no problem but I'd suggest that Tony Abbott might. He'd be looking at an electoral wipeout at the election.

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  • yoda:

    24 Jun 2010 7:35:54am

    never liked Rudd, and i dont like Gillard - this election will be the worst on record, with really no-one to choose from.

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    • Politically Incorrect:

      24 Jun 2010 8:21:12am

      Keating vs Peacock
      Keating vs Howard
      Howard vs Beazley vs Hanson
      Howard vs Latham
      Howard vs Rudd

      And we could have potentially had:
      Keating vs Hewson
      Howard vs Crean
      Rudd vs Nelson
      Rudd vs Turnbull
      Rudd vs Abbott

      For the record: I cant stand any of the names I just listed. This is the first time in 20 years I think there is somebody worthy of being elected.

      Conservatives cant stand the fact that Rudd was a conservative and he was tarnishing the conservative name for them. And they cant stand the fact that someone with a history of advocating socialism is about to become Prime Minister and could wipe the floor with Tony Abbott, and be really popular.

      I hope Julia wins and stays true to her roots. I wouldnt be dissapointed if my Green vote goes to her in preferences (as opposed to a Rudd vs Abbott where I would rather tear the ballot up than let those 2 jokers get my vote)

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  • Dennis:

    24 Jun 2010 7:36:07am

    Yes- it's about time we had a woman as PM.
    Hopefully the Australian electorate will continue to raise its expectations of what it expects from its leaders.
    As much of a disappointment that Rudd's Prime Ministership has turned out to be, it is very important to remember one definite achievement:
    Under Howard the public expected that we would be deceived and promises would be broken. Often this was done quite openly and ithout shame (see "core promises").
    Rudd asked the people to expect better. He didn't measure up as well as promised, but his legacy is that the people now do expect better.
    He stated that the Government has no right to use its advertising for political purposes.
    This Government has indeed done this far less than the last, but still the people are outraged. Before Rudd we accepted it.
    Rudd has raised the bar, and although he has failed to jump it, at least stopping the spiral of lower expectations is a real legacy.
    The electorate have the right to expect the best. If we expect the worst we will get it.
    Let us hope Julia can make us expect the best

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    • time:

      24 Jun 2010 8:02:04am

      "Its time we had a woman as PM?" Good grief Dennis, as a student of Australian political history, it should be evident to all that an argument of "it's time" when it comes to supporting a candidate for PM is a path to disaster.

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  • Gav:

    24 Jun 2010 7:36:08am

    Bye, bye labor. Ironic that Arbib initiated the spill, given that he advised Rudd to drop the ETS. Rudd was doing OK, not brilliant but good enough to win the election. The reason Abbott is doing well is that he hasn't opened his mouth. When he does then the polls would have turned. A sad day for Oz if it the political Agenda moves to the right. I think I going to move to NZ!!

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    • Howard:

      24 Jun 2010 8:08:28am

      A good point Gav. That decision really eroded the left wing support for Rudd which demolished his polls, and was initiated by Arbib.

      The insulation mess was a hatchet job - the conservatives laid down a lot of propaghanda to get a hit there. But dropping the ETS was a major screwup. Look at what we are in danger of getting now though - Abbott, an extreme right religious nutter social conservative who bumbles over simple sentences. Everytime he's on lateline or 7.30 he gets demolished with simple questions. If we get Abbott in power the leaders of the left/moderates in this country have a lot of answer for.

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  • thefletch:

    24 Jun 2010 7:36:31am

    If she drops Conroy from Communications, kills the filter and the requirement for ISPs to store your page visits and who you're sending emails to - then yes. Get someone in that portfolio that at least understands the internet better than Conroy, say Kate Lundy or a loaf of mouldy bread.

    Oh and while you are there Julia - stop pandering to the ACL.

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  • tondon:

    24 Jun 2010 7:36:58am

    A change of leadership increases the Labor Party's chances of reelection. Blame for poor performance/decisions can be laid at the feet of Mr Rudd.

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  • Derek:

    24 Jun 2010 7:37:26am

    I can't say I really mind as long as Abbott doesn't get in. Fingers crossed Gillard will be better at delegating and more open to negotiation. The Rudd Government has been too firm in its stance over many of its policies, all but outright rejecting any suggestions for modifications and called itself "courageous" in doing so. I want strong leadership for Australia, not bloody-mindedness.

    All the best Julia.

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  • jbarnes:

    24 Jun 2010 7:38:25am

    It doesnt really matter who leads the party it is the policies that count, most of us are struggling just to put food on the table. As a female I should be supporting Gillard but look what damage Anna Bligh and the labor party have done to Queensland.

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  • not one of the sheep:

    24 Jun 2010 7:38:56am

    yes, the disasterous policies will be the same, but at least she will believe in them...

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  • Malcontent:

    24 Jun 2010 7:41:25am

    I agree, re: poor job by labour. But a woman as PM? IT'S ABOUT TIME!! Maybe, we might finally see some real equity for women in relation to wages? For a lot of women, this is going to be about more than party politics.

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  • Leo:

    24 Jun 2010 7:41:26am

    Certainly not! The big fear in all this is that the Greens will end up holding the balance of power which will destroy this great nation. God help us!

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  • Chris H:

    24 Jun 2010 7:42:19am

    Gillard is a disgrace and should be ashamed of herself and all those backbenchers that are voting for her should be ashamed as well Rudd got half these people into Parliament and they have quickly backed away from him.

    Will these factional low lifes back away from Gillard as well if her numbers are not high straight away.

    How are people going to vote for someone who has no principles and turns their back and sticks the knife in.

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    • Nathan:

      24 Jun 2010 8:40:07am

      Of course they will back away from her. Look at NSW's experiment with a leader from the left - Nathan Rees.

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  • Justin Alick:

    24 Jun 2010 7:42:22am

    That depends on which Julia Gillard we are talking about- the passionate progressive, or... well... the other one.

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  • Chris K:

    24 Jun 2010 7:42:50am

    Ms Gillard said: "This speculation is, in my view, is absolutely absurd." On this I can agree with her own words. Of course it is absolutely absurd, Look at the mess she has made of the BER School computers etc etc and to think there are Labor people who think she could be a good PM, Think again she has backed Rudd on every single failure this government has been involved with. Gillard also is a member and attends meetings of the Australian branch of the Fabian Society, a world socialist movement, (their letter head depicts a wolf in sheeps clothing) Gillard along with the large percentage of the Labor party who are also members of this Fabian movement are people NEVER TO BE TRUSTED be very aware of them and be afraid of them for Australias sake
    Bring on an election so we can vote this Labor rabble along with the Greens so far out that they will have to join together just to form a party, If we can do this we may be able to save Australia from being destroyed on the world stage and becoming a commie country under comrades Rudd Gillard Swan and Tanner.

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    • Mark:

      24 Jun 2010 8:17:36am

      and give the country to Abbott and his cronies, we'll need Abbott's god to save us from him then. I for one will be looking into how to migrate to Canada if Abott and his mob get in at the next election.

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  • Mike:

    24 Jun 2010 7:43:55am

    I don't think UNELECTED is the way we want our first female PM.

    Would have been nice for a party to put up a female candidate and have her win, rather than having one forced on us like this.

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    • Mark:

      24 Jun 2010 8:18:16am

      but she will be elected at the next election so we'll get our first elected female PM then.

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      • Nathan:

        24 Jun 2010 8:41:23am

        I doubt it. It all sounds like NSW on the federal stage.

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    • Tj:

      24 Jun 2010 8:25:30am

      well not only unelected but knifing a first term PM in the back

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  • RG:

    24 Jun 2010 7:44:39am

    Gillard was one of the four key people involved in all of Rudd's poorly planned, poorly debated, and badly executed decisions. Was she outwardly supporting him, but covertly undermining? Did she allow the party to make bad decisions just so Rudd would look bad, or did she really support all of the stuff-ups? I truly hope that she doesn't get the popular vote just because she's female.

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    • Bob:

      24 Jun 2010 8:55:24am

      My thoughts exactly. Isn't she the leader of that woefully managed schools building schmozzle?

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  • Eric:

    24 Jun 2010 7:44:58am

    Most definatly, what ever it takes to keep out Abbott and his conservatives.

    Labour Governs for all, the Liberals govern for rich minorities and the Nationals only interest are the Farmers, I would not expect Abbott to be any different to Howard, except he would bring more religion in, back to the Dark ages with Tony Abbott.

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  • LK:

    24 Jun 2010 7:45:02am

    Absolutely. We as a country voted for her as deputy, knowing exactly how these party decisions can change things. I know a lot of people feel angry towards the ALP that they aren't getting a choice, but this is the political system of our country, and is what comes along with voting for any political party.

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  • tomess:

    24 Jun 2010 7:46:00am

    Rather her than Mr Abbott, but I fear neither will stand up for refugees against the hate politics of Jones-town.

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  • wayne nz:

    24 Jun 2010 7:47:31am

    what a sham, the factions and unions rule the roost, little johnny never looked so good!!!

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    • Nathan:

      24 Jun 2010 8:07:26am

      I was thinking the same thing last night when I heard about this. I was one of those proud "Howard Haters" but after this, John Howard looks pretty damn good.

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  • Case in Point:

    24 Jun 2010 7:47:45am

    No. In the same way that no one would have been happy to see Costello take over in a spill from Howard. It might have worked for the party, but outside of her electorate, who voted to Gillard?

    Smells little more of a desperate attempt by Labour to stop bleeding out by using a shiny band-aid rather than addressing key policy issues that they have been routinely beaten on (and not because of the Coalition performance, either).

    That said, Rudds credibility has been shot for some time.

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  • rusty:

    24 Jun 2010 7:47:52am

    Sounds good but ray swan a deputy .Hmmm ?

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  • Brewster:

    24 Jun 2010 7:48:30am

    No. not happy Jan! This Government was elected on the understanding that KR was at the helm, for better or worse. Fraser had no right to terminate Uncle Gough and the hatchet job on KR smacks of unbridled personal ambition vs the welfare of the State and voters decisions. As it was and as it is and as it ever shall be.
    Julia Gillard has done a terrible and wasteful job implementing her areas of responsibility and carries on a long tradition of parasitic tax wasting traditions.

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    • Nathan:

      24 Jun 2010 8:42:39am

      It's much like Whitlam isn't it. Oh no, it's coming from inside the ALP!

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  • malason:

    24 Jun 2010 7:48:43am

    A sad day for the Labor party......Greens for me.

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  • lONG mEMORY:

    24 Jun 2010 7:49:08am

    Rudd/Abbott - LOSE/LOSE. Gillard/Abbott - WIN/LOSE. Gillard/Turnbill LOSE/WIN. Someone take the center.

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    • Nathan:

      24 Jun 2010 8:43:43am

      Even though I will be voting Liberal regardless, I would certainly be comfortable voting Liberal with Turnbull at the helm

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  • mik:

    24 Jun 2010 7:50:02am

    the bad polls were a result of bad government. get rid of Kev and you still have the same bad government.
    I'm pretty sure i have seen her in several interviews in the last 2 weeks saying that she wouldn't be going for the top job.
    Is she trying to use up her lies before she is prime minister or is she just warming up for the main event?
    She has the charisma of one of those dolls with the string in their backs, and just as annoying.

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  • Pythinia:

    24 Jun 2010 7:50:14am

    Share panic in the Labour ranks the change of leaders has been in the pipe line for some months, organised by the Gillardiards - we the public have been buttered up - Australian Story a few days ago - new image for Gillard - new hair do, more make up, sophicated dressing up, media presence everywhere.

    Why do political parties deem the public stupid?

    If she does make it in, the policies remain what about the mining tax? still there. Maybe to be political expendient she will get rid of it?

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  • graeme :

    24 Jun 2010 7:52:00am

    Gilliard may win today but she wont win against the 'Monk' and the Bishop.

    Doug Cameron must ensure that all workers are not disadvantaged and should be Industrial Relations Minister.

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  • pip:

    24 Jun 2010 7:52:22am

    Was'nt she sitting aound the same kitchen table with the other three. She won't be any better. And what a poor way to introduce Australias first female prime minister by coup and for it to be labour to boot,geeez.

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  • Bock:

    24 Jun 2010 7:52:40am

    Happy for Julia to take the helm, but hopefully there'll be a major rethink about the policies that the Rudd-led consortium has produced. Conroy's Filter, Healthcare, and stuff like the insulation scheme which should have been given to a department responsible for regulation in the first place (chai-sipping hippies have no place making policy), all terrible failures - as policy, in their execution and how they were communicated.

    .. though she is a red-head. Can we live with that on our national conscience?

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  • Ron Ferguson:

    24 Jun 2010 7:52:46am

    Gillard as PM? A former Communist supporter and Fabian Socialist! Where is this country lurching to? For those people saying she is better than Rudd and they will vote for her, remember she is part of the gang of 4 which was responsible for the policy directions of this Rudd Govt. She must share total blame with the others. Don't kid yourself things will change. Debt will rise dramatically as it has been doing. Socialist policies will keep happening. It is obvious the Unions are calling the shots here. I DID NOT elect unions to run the country!

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    • Mick S:

      24 Jun 2010 8:33:29am

      You would prefer mining companies to run this country.

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  • RonW:

    24 Jun 2010 7:55:24am

    NO! Gillard is another Unionist in polotics and very few make good politicians let alone PM's!

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  • Ron:

    24 Jun 2010 7:55:38am

    who cares? they are all as hopeless as the other. I am more interested in the Soccer at the moment.

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  • Sick of B.S:

    24 Jun 2010 7:56:50am

    No,Look whats happened in Qld when a power hungry women got the top job,I believe Gillard will be even more arrogant than Rudd so there is no way I will be voting for this disloyal women.And to all the simple people that are out to save the planet a vote for the greens will end up as a vote for labor,so dont waste your vote by supporting a party that wishes to ban the outdoor life style many of us have been accustom too.

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  • Bondo:

    24 Jun 2010 7:56:59am

    Most definitely NOT

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  • Lonniegrump:

    24 Jun 2010 7:57:24am

    No - Last night's events are proof Julia is the unions figurehead.

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  • Hampster101:

    24 Jun 2010 7:59:25am

    Why would you back Gillard when her agenda is set by an unelected public servant that decides what issues are brought to Julia's attention? Case in point with Workchoices where an issue had been raised concerning a legacy of the legislation. Barbara Bennett as Director of the Workplace Authority refused to address the issue, however the Workplace Ombudsman stated there was definitely a huge out standing loop hole but that was not his responsibility to raise the issue. When the Deputy Prime Ministers office was approached, the issue was stone walled by a mere office worker even after all the appropriate documentation was presented to her. No reason was given, she just refused to raise the issue with Julia.

    Who is running the country, elected representatives or unelected public servants?

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  • TeddySea:

    24 Jun 2010 7:59:47am

    The media and conservative sources may have brought about the downfall of the majority elected Kevin Rudd but let's hope, for the good of the nation, that there is some impartiality and good sense in allowing our next PM to get on with the job. Go Julia.

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    • Tory Boy:

      24 Jun 2010 8:35:52am

      Er, no - it was Paul Howes and the union-movement that finally brought down Rudd by removing their support, which tells you everything you need to know about union-labor. the parliamentary party is just a front for the union movement which knows it would not have a chance of power on its own, and whos leaders are too spineless to put their own names forward for the general public....this is nothing short of a coup.

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  • I'm Back in:

    24 Jun 2010 8:00:49am

    Athough Rudd was blocked by a rambling liberal party on many issues that were part of his election promises in 2007, he clearly lost support of the Australian people by not having the courage to take the Liberals head on with a double disolution election.

    He failed to listen to advisors on important policy issues such as mental health reform and he has paid the price.

    If Rudd showed that he was a person that listened then he would of heard the loud voice of Australian people on this.

    He will go down in history as one of the most gutless PM's in Australian History as well as a person who failed to listen - He showed that he was a person of no conviction by the talk fest at the start of his term - what came of that? Saying that I will vot Labor again with Gillard as leader - a country run by Abbott is a horrible nightmare I never want to wake up to.

    Watch his opinion polls slide now.

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  • itsanono:

    24 Jun 2010 8:03:39am

    no no no no no no no no no no no no get the message!

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  • Tigs:

    24 Jun 2010 8:03:45am

    I've been a staunch Labor supporter for years. That's it- it's over. What a pathetic bunch of factional children. SUPPORT OUR ELECTED LEADER! SHOW SOLIDARITY- a core tenet of LABOR.
    SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.

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    • Nathan:

      24 Jun 2010 8:45:54am

      Have you read the news in NSW? It is not about supporting the elected leader.

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  • Jan T:

    24 Jun 2010 8:03:57am

    Yes, I'll vote for her but then I would have voted for K.R. as well, after a Green primary vote. Rusted-on bleeding heart pinko greenie baby boomer type. "GetUp" demographic.
    Pretty disappointed how it's all unfolded. Fascinating but disappointing.

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  • Putnitowthair:

    24 Jun 2010 8:04:17am

    I don't think that we can expect aby better from Julia Gillard.

    She's basically stayed away from a lot of controversy by keeping her head down to avoid flak. Where mud has been thrown her way, it's been well deserved.

    Lacking courage and incompetent; hardly prime minister material in my view.

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  • Andreas:

    24 Jun 2010 8:05:11am

    Call a new election immediately!
    Rudd was the one the people elected. If he is ousted by the snakes in his own team let the people decide anew. Who wants those sneakers in power.

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    • Nathan:

      24 Jun 2010 8:46:31am

      He should have called an election before 9AM

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  • Andz:

    24 Jun 2010 8:05:52am

    So now the unions decide who runs the country. The only chance Labour had was to keep firm, now we are going to end up with a muppet in charge either way.

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  • Nathan:

    24 Jun 2010 8:06:29am

    This just shows that federal Labor is no different to NSW Labor. The party is unstable and unfit to govern. As a person who ordinarily leans towards the Labor Party, they can now forget me ever voting for them again... BRING ON PRIME MINISTER ABBOTT!

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    • Putnitowthair:

      24 Jun 2010 8:20:31am

      Prime Minister Abbott? You're kidding, right?

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      • Nathan:

        24 Jun 2010 8:47:45am

        Not at all. We all know the Libs are unstable in opposition and make stable government. This, combined with the horrors in NSW show that the ALP is unfit to govern.

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  • Modbury:

    24 Jun 2010 8:07:16am

    Looks like we will have her whether we want her or not. Shows that Labor is still run by factions and dominated by unelected union officials. Bring on Tony Abbott!

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  • john:

    24 Jun 2010 8:08:25am

    I voted Kevin Rudd and my vote has been undermined. How dare they undermine the vote of the Australian people. Labor will never get my vote again.

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    • Mick S:

      24 Jun 2010 8:36:58am

      Unless you live in the electorate of Griffith you NEVER voted for Kevin Rudd. You voted for you local member of parliament.

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  • DeepFritz:

    24 Jun 2010 8:08:32am

    I want to personally congratulate the Liberal staffer who came on these forums a couple of years ago with the name Kevin07gone10. How right he/she was... I don't think they would have anticipated losing the next couple of elections to PM Julia though ;)

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  • Baldricks mate:

    24 Jun 2010 8:08:36am

    I am heartly sick of all the current crop - of all shades
    I don't trust Labour to do a good job governing.
    I don't trust the Lib's, they still have not recovered from the last election.
    Green's ? Hah - not very coherent on anything outside the insular environmental area.
    Even there I'm wary.

    So Gillard for PM? I vote no confidence.

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  • cvb:

    24 Jun 2010 8:09:05am

    Rudd lost me forever when I saw his pathetic grovelling to Frank Lowy last year. There is no choice...who with an IQ of above 50 would want Abbott in power; a man so befuddled that he would make Howard look like a visionary.

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  • Thomo:

    24 Jun 2010 8:09:25am

    Good luck to Ms Gillard. I hope she brings our country good fortunes and brings our soldiers home earlier than later. Have we not seen enough disaster within the last few months?

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  • Mikew909:

    24 Jun 2010 8:09:32am

    3rd party anyone?

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  • AK:

    24 Jun 2010 8:09:47am

    Let's face it, Rudd has been 'two faced' with the Australian public, one thing for the TV cameras and a different persona behind closed doors. Don't like that. Julia has been responsible for the BER - the greatest rort and waste of public money in Australia's history. If she was a company director, she would be behind bars for fraud. Sooner we see the back of both of them the better.

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    • Kelly:

      24 Jun 2010 8:24:48am

      Do you think that Abbot would be better? Personally, I can't think of anything worse.

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    • Putnitowthair:

      24 Jun 2010 8:25:40am

      Hear, hear!!

      But who would be a better alternative?

      I could handle Bob Brown for three years I reckon. Just enough time for him to pull our troops out of Afghanistan (which I didn't have a problem with until a couple of days ago, when the US became responsible for their security), and just enough time for us to be demostrate some compassion towards refugees.

      And one would hope, just enough time for one of the major parties to be worthy of our vote again!

      Yep, I know it's fantasy stuff...but gee!

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  • Mike:

    24 Jun 2010 8:10:44am

    Rudd's wounds are self inflicted and his ego centric manner has been a turn off. Gillard appears to be more even and is much more acceptable as a personality. I wish her the very best.

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  • Chris Simpson:

    24 Jun 2010 8:10:53am

    This is what make life interesting

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  • pat t:

    24 Jun 2010 8:12:00am

    Unfortunately the media turns it into a Gillard v. Abbott contest instead of Labor policies v. Liberal policies. Let's look at our future a little more deeply.It's not a football match - it's our livelihood for the next 4 or so years. A leopard can't change its spots.

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  • Irony:

    24 Jun 2010 8:12:50am

    Stunning how little loyalty the labor machine shows. Remember how obvious it was that Howard was going to lose. The Party stuck by him. How quick the Labor party is to judge, lets hope the electorate does the same!!

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    • BT:

      24 Jun 2010 8:22:29am

      The coalition didn't really stick by Brendon Nelson or Malcolm Turnbull though did they. Loyalty shifts are just part of politics. It's not something unique to labor.

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      • Nathan:

        24 Jun 2010 8:50:43am

        It seems to be when they are in government. The coalition make stable governments and unstable oppositions. How many Liberal PM's have been knifed by their own?

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  • Bill:

    24 Jun 2010 8:13:10am

    I think we will just have to give her a chance like we do for any Australian, there is still time before the election.

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  • berco:

    24 Jun 2010 8:14:35am

    Gillard will need to make some resounding policy backflips to win my vote. The mining tax to start with, and standing up to incompetent e/s labor (or lib) states spending Australia's natural resource wealth on social welfare and free health instead of job infrastructure. Australians, like the rest of the western world, have plummeted into an addiction of complacently voting for govts that offer all sorts of social goodies but at the expense of our ability to retain our earnings to help build our future wealth and well-being ourselves instead of having it confiscated thru tax. Social goodies delivered by our thristy and greedy public beauocracy is very very expensive and simply doesn't delivery equity. Witness the insulation and BER, indigenous hand outs, public vs private school performance, let alone justice and transport infrastructure. Abbott might not have the same shine as Gillard, but at least his party has the economic credentials to push Australia back towards a private sector-driven growth state.

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  • marty:

    24 Jun 2010 8:14:58am

    No one "voted her in as deputy", just like no one voted Rudd in as PM. We don't vote for the PM. We vote for our representative in the lower house, and the party with the most votes IN THEIR OWN WAY decide who the leader is, which puts them into the PM's seat.
    The party decides on who is in charge, usually determined by the party members who have been elected, and the party always has the ability to reconsider.
    Stating that the "factions and unions" are in charge is quite amusing, since.. well.. duh? This is the "LABOR" party. Union support is key, the party was founded on labor principles and the unions are and have always been involved. Which is why, during a Labor government, Union disputes can get very ugly: the unions feel betrayed by the ALP, and the ALP feels the unions aren't seeing the bigger picture.

    I think this would be a great move, and hopefully it will win enough votes in the Senate to can the pandering to the family first party. Oh, and also, dump Conroy!

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    • Nathan:

      24 Jun 2010 8:52:26am

      Unfortunately the Labor party ran a "presidential" campaign focusing on Rudd. Most are going to feel this way.

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  • Nelly:

    24 Jun 2010 8:15:25am

    No way I'll vote for labour with Julia Gillard as prime minister. Can she really lead our great country and make decisions? She will be a small carbon copy of Rudd. Voters are not that stupid.

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    • I'm Back in:

      24 Jun 2010 8:45:11am

      Australians are not stupid that is why Gillard will win the next election and Abbott will be put out to pasture with his mates Howard and Costello.

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  • Emjay:

    24 Jun 2010 8:15:48am

    The electorate voted for Kevin Rudd. With him as leader we missed the gfc. unemployment is low, we said sorry!
    I will not vote for Julia Gillard - she could have said NO

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  • Sean:

    24 Jun 2010 8:16:20am

    For the first time we have a PM which looks beyond the 3 years and has a good vision for Australia and doing something about it and they want to get rid of him?

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  • Fake:

    24 Jun 2010 8:17:10am

    I went from Liberal to labor and I am ending up desperately trying to find some other party to vote for.

    Gillard will not get enough votes, EVER, she's just another manipulative &^%$..
    Labor is already no better for the people as howards facist bunch and that's saying somethig.

    not impressed with the whole process either, it's all media driven

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  • dman:

    24 Jun 2010 8:19:06am

    Rudd might be unpopular now, but he has done some good things that most australians wanted. Apology to indigenous aussies, health reform, and i agree with the principle of the mining tax. This big stuff Howard was to weak and afraid to do. As a whole we're being way too harsh on Rudd. Rudd deserves some credit, and to resolve his poll issues as prime minister.

    I fear that Gilliard is the union movement raising it's ugly head. We don't want to end up like QLD where the union runs the government and the government runs the union.

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  • Mark:

    24 Jun 2010 8:21:25am

    Sure will be voting Julia, anyone but Abbott and his cornies. No way do I want to go back to the Howard era where the rich get richer and they look out for their business mates over everyone else. Those people harking the whole 'labor is run by the unions' line, have a look at the influence of big business over the libs before you go throwing stones.

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  • gs:

    24 Jun 2010 8:23:48am

    Girls of Australia sigh as their dream to be Australia's first prime minister come to an end with the look of Julia Gillard and her take-over of the Australian Labour Party as leader looks to be set. In her Survivor style showdown Gillard takes control as she believes she swings the votes into her favour.

    Young girls of Australia take note - the title of Australia's first female prime minister seems to be taken but with years of being brought up on reality TV, could you be the next to win the crown? Welcome to the world of politics.

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  • pabs:

    24 Jun 2010 8:24:31am

    We still have a culture and community that allows forces outside of parliament to dictate a or direct policy. Until that changes we basically will have the same recurring issues.

    I'm not particularly inspired by Ms Gillard as an alternative, to me she hasn't yet displayed any of the qualities of real vision that I would like to see in community leaders. I think similar to Rudd but different. But inside the party I have no idea of functionality and relationships there.

    I also think that perhaps labor has panicked, as many governments in the last decade have been in the same polls postion, both party and leadership, at this time in their terms and in an election year, and still won the election. Think of how unpopular Howard was - he still managed to win ( though there was no real alternative at all through much of his term I believe ).

    I generally like the idea of women in leadership, as long as they don't try to lead like a man. Remember it's been almost entirely 'men' who created all the wars, all the corporations and their self serving ethics, and the economic structure and world we have today.

    It's hard to imagine war in a world where all the countries are run primarily by intelligent women ( and I'm a male ).



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  • Scooter:

    24 Jun 2010 8:25:22am

    This is the most obvious form of political suicide by the Labour party. There is absolutely no chance of a win at the general election by changing Leaders now.
    Rudd may have copped flack over many inept decisions, but the people behind the show are running away from a few bad reviews. The factional leaders in labour are the equivilent to people that support a football team when its winning and when it loses finds some other psuedo connection with the one that is.
    Further to that exactly how many people actually understand that the majority of the population just want to support one united Government, which is why unless Rudd wins the spill and every minister stands next to him and smiles for the camera, they will lose the election anyway

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  • WhatThe:

    24 Jun 2010 8:25:40am

    No!!

    We will jump from an incompetent lightweight to a puppet to her union masters.

    Gillard has overseen one of the biggest rorts in the countries history - the BER, has cost us billions in wasteage and is yet to brought to account. Te Myschools debacle is another reason why this woman shoulod not be prime minister.

    We need some one with competence, accountablity and not beholding to the unions who will be the real masters of the country .

    Bring on the election so we can get rid of this mob all together.

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  • Fizz:

    24 Jun 2010 8:25:42am

    Maybe it's time for a clean sweep. Mr. Turnbull, where are you?

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  • dude:

    24 Jun 2010 8:25:55am

    "The difference between democracy and dictatorship is, in democracy you choose your dictator"... courtesy of a taxi driver.

    I voted for Kevin 07, not Julia Gillard; cant she wait a few more months? what a circus..

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  • karin:

    24 Jun 2010 8:26:03am

    NO.. Rudd lead the party to a decisive victory and pulled the country through the GFC, yes he should have stuck to his guns re the ETS. but now is not the time to change leadership. the Labour Party should stop wobbling and quibbling around the edges they, and especially Julia Gillard should stand strongly behind the PM in support.
    Why are they considering ditching him now, when only a few months ago he was riding high?? they're weak and going jelly legged at his recent low polling.... ah the fairweather politicians... sounds like a case of Tony Abbot disease

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  • jo:

    24 Jun 2010 8:29:07am

    The problem with australian politics is that there really isn't a great choice of leaders to choose from, it's the same within state as it is federal.

    The current leader isn't too great but then you look at the challengers and opposition and the choice there isn't great either.

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  • Kaz:

    24 Jun 2010 8:29:14am

    Would I vote for Gillard, an opportunistic traitor? No. Will the majority of the country? Sure, its the traitors way. We are all decendants of convicts afterall and that rings true today. Pity the old sword hurts so much K.Rudd. Fall on it ever so gently!

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    • Frankie S:

      24 Jun 2010 8:41:48am

      How else was Julia supposed to become Leader? In this country, if you want the top job you're going to have to step over someone for it. Everyone has done it.

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  • sydney boy:

    24 Jun 2010 8:30:45am

    I feel sorry for Rudd. He had the toughest period being the PM to handle GFC. Good luck to Julia.

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  • Mike:

    24 Jun 2010 8:31:05am

    There's been no mention at all about the mining tax? I only hear refugees and climate change surely that's not enough to sack your own leader.

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  • Pepe:

    24 Jun 2010 8:31:06am

    Well! well! well! There is no honesty in this world. I hate people with multi-faces. I cannot vote for people who stabe someone at the back neither.

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  • Tory Boy:

    24 Jun 2010 8:32:06am

    Do we have a choice? I mean, Paul Howese and his union cohorts have already decreed she must be PM....what does it matter what us lowley proles think?

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  • JC2:

    24 Jun 2010 8:32:08am

    Be very careful what you wish for.

    Changing the lovable but inept labrador for a faction driven attack dog might not be the best thing.

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  • Taxed:

    24 Jun 2010 8:32:40am

    Yes, but waht of the mining tax? What will change?

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  • theduckman22:

    24 Jun 2010 8:32:42am

    julia gillard prime minister sorry i cant remember anyone voting for her and it is wrong she gets it by default. i feel the system should be changed so it should go straight to a general election then the people of the country have say not a bunch of ministers who are trying to protect their jobs. sorry to sound so cynical!

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  • Dr. Stu.:

    24 Jun 2010 8:32:55am

    Rudd & Abbott are both bible thumping lunatics. I hope that Gillard is a little more reserved.

    To be honest, I have no faith in either major party and would much prefer to see the Greens start to rise.

    They have opposed the internet filter, they oppose the harsh treatment of refugees and they have sensible policies on climate change. I had every faith in Rudd when I voted for him.

    I was so sick of the Howard regime....but chairman Rudd has proved to be just as totalitarian.

    Sorry Kev, you've let us down.

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  • Rogo:

    24 Jun 2010 8:34:30am

    NO. She has been put there by the unions and I did not and will not vote for the unions.

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  • Michael:

    24 Jun 2010 8:34:43am

    No. This is the wrong way to do this.
    The electorate voted mr Rudd in.

    It doesn't matter that she is a woman. (no matter at all)

    It matterrs that we did not vote for this person to be leader.

    This is a terrible way to finally get woman as prime minister. It would feel much better had we voted her in. But we Haven't.

    Very sad day.
    The ALP ran on the worry of Mr Howard changing during the term. (yes and a few other things that haven't happened...) but now the ALP is doing it?!

    I don't support this - not because it is Ms Gillard but because it stinks as a way to change our leader.

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  • Abou :

    24 Jun 2010 8:35:01am

    No I'll not vote for labour with Julia leading the party. Wasn't Julia part of all decisions made with Rudd as a prime minister? It seems that labour has no other reputable leaders with strong performance to make the right decisions.

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  • DSteel:

    24 Jun 2010 8:35:55am

    Given the toxic bile thrown up by the Coalition (and their 5th column) and the media towards Ken Rudd I think not changing leadership now could only hasten a downward spiral in popularity and end with either a loss for the Labor party or the very least another unworkable majority,possibly in both houses.
    As much as I respect and admire Kevin Rudd and all he has done,and despite the harping,whining propaganda of the Coalition he has done alot,I think in the present situation Julia Gillard is definitely the right person for the job.
    Bad luck Tony,looks like its back to the drawing board again..I wonder how long it will take them to raise the reds under the bed cliches..Im guessing by around lunchtime today.

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  • bill:

    24 Jun 2010 8:36:18am

    bring it on now she was there to support rudd all the way ,it is clear to see who runs the labour party now BACK TO THE BAD OLD DAYS OF UNION CONTROL

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  • peacemeal:

    24 Jun 2010 8:37:00am

    Its ironic how when a leader takes on the big power brokers of our country i.e the Mining Companies, and is to head off to a G20 Meeting in regards to regulating financial trading, that there is suddenly a power struggle within the party? I am very skeptical about the way the Mining companies have been on the attack lately, and I am very skeptical about those on the right side of the Labor party that are now jostling to take down the leader of the party. If there is a change in leadership, will there also be a change in the Super Profits Tax agenda? Are we actually being bullied by the big economic power players of our country, who are now holding us to ransom, and manipulating our leaders?

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  • Mellisa:

    24 Jun 2010 8:37:06am

    This honeymoon will pass in a few days, and we'll see the same policies continue, and this disquiet will turn into a roar again until the election.

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  • bigger picture:

    24 Jun 2010 8:37:14am

    Look at recent history.

    The liberals lost because they let Howard stay on too long. They may not have had a winner waiting in the sidelines, but Howard was a likely loser leading up to the last election. Liberal would have had a better chance by replacing Howard at least 6 months before the last election.

    You can bet your bottom dollar that most labour MPs will be remembering this, right now. I think Julia is a more likely winner for the next election than Rudd.

    You can bet that Tony Abbott will be spitting chips: his future leadership relied on Labor keeping Rudd in place.

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  • JB:

    24 Jun 2010 8:37:57am

    Can't stand Gillard, she has NO concept of the working family, or being a working mother, or even being a mother of any sort... I liken it to being in space, we all have an idea of what it must be like, but until we do it ourselves we cannot really understand the enormity o f it. And yet she supposes she knows - this shows her ignorance, and her arrogance and the way she dismisses us mothers and I don't believe she has any idea of what is important to us.

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  • shaken not stirred:

    24 Jun 2010 8:38:05am

    I have enormous respect for Julia Gillard but I don't think this kind of instability augers well for Australia. Even the churlish antics of Tony Rabbit in opposing everything he felt like for the sake of it concerns me.
    The main difference Gillard will make is a decline in spin government. Not much else will change until after the next election should she win today and at that subsequent election.
    I am very fond of her flat Australian twang and simple English. She is an attractive woman in many senses of the word including physically and intellectually.

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  • Frankie S:

    24 Jun 2010 8:38:52am

    What are we supposed to do now? We can either vote for morons in the Labor party or vote for the criminally insane in the Liberal party. Excuse me while I pack my bags for Fiji, at least I won't have to vote.

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  • Stix:

    24 Jun 2010 8:38:54am

    Well, this is the most fascinating period of months in Australian Politics since the 1070s and particularly the great dismisal. Only the Labor Party could undertake such action. This government is now in complete tatters. No change in PM should save this incompetent group of people. The money that has been wasted is totally unacceptable and generations to follow will be paying for it. Julia may rise this morning but an election should be held as soon as possible so the Australian people can have their say. For the next few months we will totally be held to account by the union backers that have created this further Rudd backflip, of his own position. The credibility of all of them is gone, gone, gone. It is not just the PM that has created this mess of the past 2 and a bit years. All of the Labor Party will be held to account and it will thankfully be completed by the Australian people, as opposed to a few in the very strange Labor Party! Go Libs & Nats!

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  • Adolfo:

    24 Jun 2010 8:39:10am

    Well, I think Kevin did get what he gave. "We only get what we give".

    I think it's fair enough for Julia to take over today. There is no much that Labor party can do at this stage.

    Australians should vote for Liberal end of this year as we do need a more focused and balanced party in command of our nation.

    I would rather to see the Labor party to honour it's member with dignity and let he/she finish his/her term. But, then again, "Tall Poppy Syndrome" in this country is the most damage of our Australian characters.... sad but true.

    I think Julia has won the day today..... cya Kevin and good luck on your next venture

    Adolfo

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  • mik:

    24 Jun 2010 8:41:54am

    i take it that this means no change in the forward line at the bulldogs.

    Julias football career is over. i hope she has a third option because if she is prime minister i want my vote back.

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  • James:

    24 Jun 2010 8:42:45am

    No, she is tainted by all the incompetent policy debacles headed by Rudd. She is part of the gang of four, she headed the BER and the school computer bungles. None of them could organise a poop fight in a sewer, they are money wasters and when they have wasted enough money, ( 96 billion by Keatings government, God knows how much by this lot) they will be voted out. Then the Australian people will expect the Coalition to pay it all off again, just like last time.

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  • Maria:

    24 Jun 2010 8:44:24am

    Go Julia.

    Julia is extremely capable and its time a political party had the courage to nominate a woman for the top job. The Liberals only have Judy Bishop there as a token gesture.

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  • kenny:

    24 Jun 2010 8:44:37am

    This plays into Abbott's hands, he doesn't even have to have any ideas! I didn't think anything could be worse than Howard but Abbott is the same, except he has jebus on his side. God help us all.

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  • daniel:

    24 Jun 2010 8:44:56am

    Gillard will play a role as placeholder until a real leader comes to fruition. She will not last beyond the next election. She is obviously allowing herself to be manipulated by the power brokers of this country to further her own career. Sooner or later they will toss her aside.

    The whole debate about left or right is naive in this countries. We are a two party system with minor deviations between the two. If anything i'd say our parties are balanced with minor deviations on policy.

    Rudd's autocratic nature would have worked if he made the right decisions. However, he didn't have the education or vision to. Swan should go as well...your a fool f you think he has done anything for the economy. Anyone with an un-biased economics background can tell you that.

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  • Angus:

    24 Jun 2010 8:45:02am

    Very happy to have Julia Gillard as Prime Minister,Kevin started well but conceded too much.He doesn't have the required 'firm leadership' attitude. Hopefully Julia will reform Labor!

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  • Wake up Australia:

    24 Jun 2010 8:45:17am

    Vale Kevvie no great loss to the country and as for Joooolia - same pathetic horse just a different jockey

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  • burbs:

    24 Jun 2010 8:46:12am

    Poor Kevin.

    If Rudd gets voted out today it just goes to show that the Australian public has no loyalty, short memories and no understanding of how good we all have it at the moment, some of which is due to Rudd's actions in the last 3 years.

    I'm a libs voter but even I acknowledge the achievements Rudd has made.

    One wrong step with the mining tax (and a massive propoganda campaign by the miners) and the public turns on him and he's out the door.

    Shame on ever single one of you if Rudd goes today.

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  • Pegaso:

    24 Jun 2010 8:46:42am

    Yes I would be happy to see Julia Gillard as Leader and Prime Minister.However I also support Kevin Rudd as Leader Prime Minister, I support all that he has done and was trying to do, its a pity that he wasnt able to communicate with the electorate in the way Julia Gillard can. It is fascinating to see the misogynists now come out of the woodwork.
    Should she be successful it will not be good news for Tony Abbott,and will only assist the eventual ascension of Malcolm Turnbull as Liberal Leader,the clearing out of Howard accolytes and a more electable Coalition.

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  • Mark:

    24 Jun 2010 8:46:52am

    I'd love to see an Australian female Prime Minister - but only if she deserves to be one. Ms Gillard doesn't have the runs on the board. Typical of the labour party to play for the uneducated female vote and this is an old tactic. They did the same in WA, QLD and then NSW. Wake up Australia!

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  • co:

    24 Jun 2010 8:46:55am

    A Big NO
    She is still of the Labour party recless spenders and you labor voters out there
    what about all the fiasco of the insulation and the never ending fires and deaths that are still occurring.
    Go on if you like just because she is a woman and vote for her and Australia may not survive
    a large downturn in the economy.
    Labor voters she will still be tared because of her incompetence overseeing as a minister of the School stimulus.
    what a hypocrit saying over her term as deputy she will NOT challenge.
    Do you labor voters want to vote for a hypocrit PM
    I wont be.

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  • Andy:

    24 Jun 2010 8:48:10am

    I think Rudd had very good intentions ,but he fumbled in his leadership through a succession of avoidable missteps. Gilliard is a good move to avoid a defeat in the election, but its a bad start to her term as PM. She should be elected by the people, not promoted by by a gang of backroom heavy's.

    But then, anything is better than Abbott. If that narrow-minded, rightwing, women-fearing, speedo-wearing religious troglodyte gets voted in as PM the Australian people are not the nation I thought it was. What a truly terrible prospect that would be.

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  • Winston Smith:

    24 Jun 2010 8:49:23am

    Politicians never say what they mean.
    Politicians never mean what they say.
    They just get the numbers!

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  • Michael:

    24 Jun 2010 8:50:27am

    No. However the more important question is will Australia vote her return as PM ? If it does it is a fundamental turn left in Australian politics. If not it is a return to the right.............where we belong.

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  • RICHARD:

    24 Jun 2010 8:51:14am

    THIS IS A GREEK TRAGEDY IN THREE PARTS

    I weep for them all.

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  • Emma:

    24 Jun 2010 8:52:58am

    yes please, and Lindsay for Deputy!

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  • Paulr:

    24 Jun 2010 8:53:16am

    All Australians should feel cheated. The nation voted for a PM. What right does the Labour Party have to change our vote? Why not call an early election and let the Red Headed Terror get in on her own merits.

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  • Les Parker:

    24 Jun 2010 8:54:10am

    It doesn't matter who is leader of any federal, state or local Government when it comes to Labor being in power. In nearly every instance, they have broken their electorates financially to catastrophic proportions like we have now. Not one of them have any business experience so they just spend like mad dogs to make themselves look like good Government to their constituents (the public). Labor spend (and worse still ....borrow) us into destruction (same as they have done in the US & Europe....remembering most of them too are socialist Governments) then we elect the Libs to clear the debt and put us back on our financial feet. Then what happens? The uneducated in society vote Labor back in again to another path of self destruction. That's where Labor gets its grass roots support. From a defunked education system...our schools. No one in schools is taught about money and how it works. They don't want you to know. Clearly the Labor party doesn't know either. Clearly the two party system is not working and we really need another fresh approach (god no...I didn't mean the Greens), someone to govern for all of us. The UK has woken up to socialism, now it's our turn. Gillard will be extremely short term otherwise the whole country will end up like Queensland.

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  • Diggersfirst:

    24 Jun 2010 8:55:29am

    The next few months will see Abbott collapse even more precipitously than they fell for Rudd. At the end of the day Abbott is a very very disturbing prospect for most Australians. His closeness to the ugliness and error of the Catholic Church will prove a serious impediment as this year drags on. I am not against Catholic's - I was an altar boy myself, but being close to creepy Pell ain't a good look.

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  • Eric:

    24 Jun 2010 8:55:29am

    Theres nothing wrong with Kevin Rudd beyond the fact he does not commuicate very well. Julia is much better.

    Those who think badly of Kevin need to get out a bit more, see how the rest of the world is faring under the same conditions. We are not deeply in debt, the future looks good.

    The Miners must pay their share of Tax, we must bring down the CO2 emmissions. These will not happen under the Liberals, on these matters Tony Abbott will do nothing.

    The Liberal Party is for the wealthy, their profits must continue no matter what happens to the world. This is short sighted, the world will function very well on renewable energy. The way the world works will have to change but that is better than no world at all!

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  • Noel:

    24 Jun 2010 8:57:18am

    Labor 4 points down; 31 minute mark; final quarter. Here come Julia dashing down the Doughie Hawkins wing; 2nd bound; 3rd; shirt fronts Kevin; Sets sail for home; Tony's in the square; will it clear him? Will it? Will it?........ Finally, a Victorian back in the top job after a conga line of New South Welshmen and a Queenslander. It'll be good for football and possibly the country..... ;-)

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  • poppycock:

    24 Jun 2010 8:57:35am

    The stench emanating and the toxic sludge oozing off that mound in the national capital is beyond belief.

    It is patently obvious that the labour party clowns are totally controlled by union leaders thereby seriously meddling in business that should not concern them.

    Mind you, it doesn't look any better on the other side which is told by employer organisations, big business and mighty lobby groups exactly what to say and do.

    On a previous story I made the comment that Julia Gillard would be bad news if she ever became the boss. I am maintaining this conviction.

    Finally, big business etc., union leadership and therefore by default almost all politicians are self serving hypocrites. They rank in the order just listed and the " Fair and just country Australia and it's people " don't even get a look in.

    Sadly, years ago , I accepted Australian citicenship I am now ashamed of.

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  • J Miller:

    24 Jun 2010 8:57:47am

    We voted for Kevin Rudd and will always prefer Kevin Rudd as PM. Mr Rudd has worn the brunt of mistakes not of his doing and been let down by turncoats.

    Julia Gillard is second choice. We will always be behind the ALP.

    God help us if Libs get in, if so, bet GST goes up to 20%.

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  • Joe G.:

    24 Jun 2010 8:58:47am

    I can't see how any kind of internal battling and leadership challenging is going to help Australia. It is sad they didn't manage to work together. I'd rather see someone get the time they need to finish their plans and pull something off fully rather than chopping and changing and achieving nothing.

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  • Gamer:

    24 Jun 2010 8:59:17am

    RUDD FAIL!
    QQ

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  • Faction Fiction:

    24 Jun 2010 9:00:43am

    Sad that both the first female premier in NSW and the first female PM were not elected by popular vote, but placed in power by Labor faction-fighting. What a proud heritage for Australia. The ALP seems so desperate to hang on to power, it will kick out a guy before he even finishes his first term, just becuase of a dip in the polls (he was still in front last time I looked). I'm no fan of KR but he didn't really get a fair suck of the sauce bottle from his own party.

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  • triksta:

    24 Jun 2010 9:00:54am

    Has it slipped everyones notice that every female labour premier (maybe prime minister) has inherited the job internally instead of winning it.
    Captain Bligh up here in qld only held on due to the inept opposition.
    Hmmmmm

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  • AndyCatch:

    24 Jun 2010 9:01:06am

    All this factionalism isn't good for the country. "Rudd Supporter" (as per the article) is right, you simply cannot govern effectively if you have to look over your shoulder all the time. The people of the country voted for Kevin Rudd, and I wonder if Julia wanted to ascend in this manner? It may take Federal Labor over the line with Ms Gillard at the helm, but it will be interesting to see if, and for how long voters will tolerate NSW style factional politics at the Federal level.

    On the upside however...maybe Tony Abbott will be finished. Now that would be nice. Wouldn't it?

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  • tony:

    24 Jun 2010 9:01:31am

    I have come to loathe Rudd and would be very very happy and relieved to see Gillard replace him.

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  • Let's change the whole system:

    24 Jun 2010 9:03:13am

    It doesn't matter what party is in government in today's society. They are all just trying to manage the funds as best as they can and spin whatever crap some adviser thinks is the flavour of the moment. At the end of the day, it comes down to a popularity contest about who doesn't stink the most.

    Yeah! I'm over it and so are the people of this country.

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  • db:

    24 Jun 2010 9:04:00am

    I'm going to vote for the monk just to annoy my left wing friends

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  • Reds:

    24 Jun 2010 9:04:11am

    Just shows the unions have been waiting in the wings building thier power base, looking for an opportunity and here it is! OK every one out! STRIKE!

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  • Maxi:

    24 Jun 2010 9:04:30am

    Rudd got what he deserve, no question about that. But you got to wonder who is in charge of this country. PM? Ministers? or union bosses and party power brokers??!! It took me 10 years to realize that so called 'democracy' is no better.

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  • Oscar:

    24 Jun 2010 9:04:44am

    With the exception of an ill-advised complete halt on the ETS, where an interim position would have been a far better option, and the total idiocy of the Internet Filter proposition, the policies and business of government under Rudd has been actually very good for the country. However he's failed abysmally to 'sell' the good stuff, he just can't seem to understand that what was needed is facts and explanations rather than the constant reiteration of key phrases (much as it works for an Opposition bereft of ethics or policies).

    Gillard has a far greater ability to sell the good stuff and her intelligence and demeanour stand her in good stead. It will also be a major step forward to have the leader of any major party come without hard-line religious convictions that force certain idealogical positions down our throats when both common sense and common humanity tell us these are not beneficial for society as a whole.

    And finally, some credit should be given to Rudd for having frequently allowed Gillard to operate in the acting P.M. position and thus able to strut her stuff - she won't come as a complete unknown by any means.

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