Corralled for 4 hours, crowd dispersed by G20 police
Police arrest protesting cyclists along the streets of downtown Toronto during the G20 Summit on Sunday, June 27, 2010. (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS)
Police make mass arrests as heavy rain falls on riot police following a gathering at Queen and Spadina in downtown Toronto, Sunday night, June 27, 2010.
Dozens of police in riot gear gather at Richmond at Spadina in downtown Toronto, Sunday night, June 27, 2010. (Chris Allen / MyNews.CTV.ca)
Dozens of detained people that were removed from the crowd are lined up at Queen and Spadina in downtown Toronto, Sunday night, June 27, 2010.
Detained people that were removed from the crowd are lined up at Queen and Spadina in downtown Toronto, Sunday night, June 27, 2010. (Lisa LaFlamme / CTV News)
The LRAD Acoustic Communication Device (sound cannon) is deployed into position at Queen and Spadina in downtown Toronto, Sunday evening, June 27, 2010. (Lisa LaFlamme / CTV News)
Police follow a large crowd moving west along Queen Street in downtown Toronto, Sunday evening, June 27, 2010.
Riot police keep a close eye on a large crowd gathered at King and Bay streets, Sunday evening, June 27, 2010.
Police fire a non-lethal device outside the detention centre on Eastern Avenue and Pape in Toronto, Sunday, June 27, 2010.
Riot police move in an a group outside the detention centre on Eastern Avenue and Pape in Toronto, Sunday, June 27, 2010.
A massive police presence moved in to make the raid near Spadina and College in downtown Toronto, Sunday, June 27, 2010.
Police make arrests during a protest at Eastern Avenue and Pape early Sunday morning, June 27, 2010. (Tom Stefanac / CTV News)
Updated: Sun Jun. 27 2010 11:18:17 PM
CTV.ca News Staff
A tense and bizarre standoff between police and a crowd lingering in central Toronto following a weekend of G20 protests has ended after nearly four hours.
At a busy intersection in the city's core, a large contingent of police boxed in a group of about 200 people in heavy rain. They were not allowed to leave the area.
Dozens were arrested during the police action, which occurred only steps from where police cruisers were torched 24 hours earlier.
Just before 9:45 p.m. local time, police let the remaining crowd go free.
Talking to reporters late Sunday night, Toronto Police Staff Superintendent Jeff McGuire was pressed to explain why police had barricaded people for so long in the rain, before simply letting them go.
McGuire said, "We're not perfect in everything we do, but our interest was in the safety of the citizens of Toronto."
He added that police were trying to prevent the kind of violence caused by Black Bloc tactics the day before, and found weapons in the area.
"I don't know the specific weapons. I've been advised that some weapons were found along the route as the officers were forming around this group," he said.
Arrests linked to the G20 demonstrations have led to more than 600 arrests over the weekend.
CTV's Lisa LaFlamme said officers picked out some from the crowd and arrested them. A CTV News cameraman reporting from the scene was taken into police custody, but was released later.
Some who had been held inside the make-shift human corral, located at Queen Street and Spadina Avenue, said that they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. When rain began to pour down, many were unprepared.
Police have made at least 604 arrests this weekend, with about 253 taking place Sunday. Those numbers will likely rise.
Earlier, there was a tense standoff at a temporary detention centre where hundreds of people arrested during the protests are being held.
Outside the detention centre, which is about four kilometres east of the downtown core, police made a deal with the crowd, telling them they would release some of those arrested if the crowd moved off a busy street. The deal appeared to work and the crowd stepped back.
Initially, police had issued two five-minute warnings to the crowd to get out of the area, but the demonstrators didn't move.
Some people arrested in Saturday were eventually released from the detention centre with conditions to appear in court. Others had their charges dropped.
Earlier, a riot squad used rubber bullets and blank rifle shots to drive back about 100 demonstrators at a seemingly peaceful sit-in outside the detention centre. Police then apprehended an alleged member of an anarchist protest group.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper commented on the protests for the first time Sunday, saying the violence was unacceptable.
"We obviously deplore the actions of a few thugs but the reality is unfortunately that these summits attract this element and that has been a problem, as we know, around the world," he said.
"That said, this goes a long way to explaining why we have the kind of security costs around these summits that we do."
Security costs for the summit total nearly $1 billion.
During the early afternoon, sources told CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife that police arrested three individuals for weapons offences after Molotov cocktails were found in their vehicle.
The incidents follow a number of arrests earlier Sunday. Police detained around 100 more people in connection with Saturday's violent protests against the G20 summit.
While the streets of Toronto were calm early Sunday morning, dozens of police officers headed out to their positions across the downtown core and raided a building on the University of Toronto campus.
A spokesperson for the Integrated Security Unit said officers found a cache of "street-type weaponry" such as bricks.
"Our officers are out pro-actively looking for anybody with criminal intent," said Const. Samantha Nulle. "Today they located a large number of people, they intercepted them and they did locate a number of street weapons on them."
Those arrested over the past 24 hours face a wide array of charges, from mischief and breach of the peace to assault, drug possession and dangerous weapons.
An Ontario court building in the northwest of Toronto saw the first wave of cases on Sunday.
One by one, the accused were led into one of the five designated courtrooms to have their cases heard.
Common charges included assaulting a police officer, mischief and participating in an unlawful assembly. The Canadian Press reports that many were released on the condition they stay out of Toronto's downtown core, keep the peace and not take part in any demonstrations until a court-appointed date.
Detention centre concerns
Nathalie Desrosiers of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association said monitors from her organization are among those being held at the detention centre, and she is concerned about the conditions under which they are being detained.
On Saturday, while thousands of marchers peacefully walked from the Ontario legislature along a pre-planned route, a group of self-described anarchists broke away to confront police and vandalize stores, banks and other buildings.
At least three police cars were also set fire. No serious injuries among protesters have been reported, although police did use tear gas and rubber bullets on some demonstrators.
OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino, whose officers are seconded to the Integrated Security Unit, said a number of officers were taken to hospital with injuries.
Fantino said officers had urine, paint and various objects thrown at them during the chaos, actions the commissioner called "disgraceful."
Saturday's protests cancelled a concert at the Air Canada Centre, put downtown hospitals into lockdown and closed the popular Eaton Centre shopping mall.
From what I've heard, this group of people who caused the damage splintered off the main group. So they were easily tracked. They didn't shed their clothing until they went from Yonge to University along College. Why didn't the police act during that whole time? Wasn't it in their best interest to go after the VIOLENT people? Instead, I heard the police spent their time beating on the peaceful demonstrators.Also people should wonder why police cars were left unattended in the middle of roads only to be torched. And how did they burn so fast when all the people used was a piece of burning paper. Aren't they relatively fireproof inside? Again police were around and stood back and let it happen.
We have all levels of government to thank for putting this conference downtown. They knew this type of thing would happen, and yet they insist on having these meetings in the middles of cities. The anarchist black bloc have no agenda except to create havoc and take away attention from legitimate protesters. For all we know, they're agenda is the same as those who want to stop the freedom to protest.
These "anachists" are not protesters - they are common criminals who must be now held accountable for the damage and destructions they caused. Heavy fines (maybe mommy and daddy can pay) and jail time. Legitimate protest is fine but these thugs are cowards who don't dare to even show their faces - cowards who just want to smash things and put the general populating in fear - perhaps more serious charges, especially against the ringleaders, are cin order. Sounds like domestic terrorism. Maybe we can smash and burn some of their things as part of the sentencing.
Charlie in NS
Hopefully the police don't spare the rod & spoil the children today.
I hope, really hope, that they leave all of those people in jail for the next few weeks. Tell them they can all wait for a hearing with a judge before they get out. I hope at least half of those bumms have a job and get fired for not showing up, try explaining that to the boss, what a bunch of morons. I say pull out the sound cannon, the rubber bullets and get that crap off of the street. what a bunch of losers, my god, our society puts up with a lot of garbage like this. WHY?
I also hope they use all of the footage and charge others that were there, make these people pay for all of the damage, attach all damages to the social insurance number and take it from them until its all paid back, Interest and all.
They are all useless people for our society, I hope they all rot in a cage.
For all the people who questioned why security costs were higher for this summit than for the Olympics, I hope they can see why now. These hooligans in Toronto are a disgrace to our country and I hope the world leaders, and people around the world do not think that this is a true sampling of Canadians and our values.
Jake in Florida
Union leaders, activists, communists, and Marxists...throw them all in jail and let the country flourish!
If only the police would arrest the tyrants. They're the real criminals. They're systematically destroying the planet, and a lot of them are in Canada just now.
It's really a bloody shame that these rioters are distracting us from the message of the true, *peaceful* protesters. I do hope, as much for the sake of the public as for the protesters, that the protests can be more peaceful today.
Never underestimate stupid people in a big crowd. These LOSERS ruin the protests for everyone, they distract from the message that others were trying to get across and render the protests useless. The government is now going to use this as justification for their outrageous billion dollar bill for this summit. Congratulations idiots.
C. A. Aulbrook
The agitators should be considered terrorists and treated as such.
My point of view is unique as far as I can see on the news, I was arrested at 8pm last night. I am a university student that wanted to go down to visit his girlfriend at bay and front. I got to bay and king at around 7, ( I had stayed in my apartment all day during the violence) and then I took a few pictures, voiced my opinion in a peaceful manner, over 500 meters from the line of riot police. I turned around to leave and 10 seconds later I was jumped and tackled by three undercover police. They bound my wrists with ties and then intimidated me with threats and heckles. "wait until we get you behind closed doors" "nice hat you queer"( i had a straw hat on)" "look at your little chicken legs" I was put in a paddy wagon for 50min in 100 degree heat with my hands tied so tight I lost feeling in my right hand. I was then taken to the detention centre where they had to use special cutters to cut the ties because they were so tight. I have deep marks on my wrists. I was held in a cell alone until 4am and released without charges, there was no water provided, no food. just a cold concrete floor and people begging for water beside me.I have never been arrested prior, was not part of any protest, no weapons, no mask, no black clothing, nothing. I agree that the black mob is not justified in their actions, but having said that the police are also not justified in their intimidation and threats. Snatching bystanders that may look at them the wrong way. Toronto will never be the same, Canada has lost its way. Not because of the political leaders but the out of control police who are accountable to no one! After I got out I went to the hospital because my right hand was still numb, having pins and needles when touched, the doc said I had nerve damage, that may or may not repair itself. It upsets me to hear chief Blair say that his police have done a tremendous job, "that those who committed violence will be held accountable", my questions then who is, if chief Blair is so naive about his own police's tactics going to hold the rouge police to account? For over 8hrs I was denied my right of free speech, a phone call, and common dignity.Please share my point of view.
Bill in BC
I commend the police for showing remarkable restraint in this despite the severe provocation. Despite this, there will be the usual crop of apologists and agitators who will gather to shriek about this example of "police brutality". As for those who will claim that there was no violence, tell that to the female security guard who was visciously assualted and beaten, or was she just a "lacky of a corrupt system"?! Message to the apologists and supporters of these violent idiots: incitment to riot is a criminal offence, you should also be facing charges. Time to grow up and learn to contribute to society, move out of your mother's basement and leave Joseph Stalin University into the real world.
Tell your reporters to stop calling these people protesters, they are not. They are vandals, troublemakers, useless losers. The protesters are the ones who come out, peacefully assemble and then leave and don't hurt anyone or anything. BTW I really don't get the reason for even protesting this summit, and after this nonsense I understand it even less. Too bad. The police should be commended for showing unbelievable restraint and professionalism in the face of these idiots. Shame on them.
I watched the destruction of property with great dismay and for the first time, I was not proud to be a Canadian. Then I wondered: how many of the anarchists are actually Canadian? Even animals know not to defile their own nests. Professional protesters/anarchists/property destroyers have zero respect from me. Who pays for their folly and why do we have to put up with it?mawgieMarguerite Thomas, Brussels Ontario
Who's bright idea was it to have these meetings downtown? Who ever the moron is that made the decision to hold these downtown should have to pay out of his own pocket the damages.
H Wells, you are just primed with questions aren't you? But i think you have answered them in your own mind, and all answers point to global conspiracy...
Are you suggesting police treated their car with a flammable liquid so that "a piece of paper" would ignite it? Get real.
I hope these so-called "anarchists" are housed, unsupervised, in the Don Jail for the weekend with some of Canada's most dangerous and depraved career criminals. These low-lifes are not protesters. They should be treated like the common punk criminals they are. Since they appear to think that smashing and burning other people's property is an amusing way to spend a weekend, they should understand the logic in being offered to jail inmates for the rest of the weekend for THEIR amusement.
The Black Bloc is not a group, it is a strategy of protesters to draw police into the disturbance so other protesters can take the fence. Did you notice in all the footage that the so called peaceful protesters didn't mind these anarchists dressed in black ruining their "peaceful protest". This is their country and they are doing nothing while a small group rip it apart! None of them deserve to be apart of this country. That was a disgusting display of cowardly Canadians who would allow this to happen. The police have worked so hard, all of them working round the clock, fighting exhaustion and complete morons. Do you think it is easy for them to watch this happen? These honourable men and women put their lives on the line everyday to protect our way of life and people have the nerve to critise?
Why dont you go down and help protect your city and country? Easy to point the finger from your couch.
The unions that set up the protest and helped facilitate this damage should be held responsible financially. Make the unions that participated pay for the damage done by the protesters, and maybe less of this type of destruction will be done in the future.
Dont get it twised. Of the 500 arrested, the majority were not smashing things, burning police cars, etc. That was a small handful. These are people that have been arrested for standing (or sitting) in the street, ie the breach of peace. Read TVOs Steve Paikin Twitter feed for an example
Wow I can't believe the police just stood there & watched the protesters destroy everything in site, the security company should have to pay for the damages, they were hired to keep things under control but they just watched. What a was of a billion dollars.
Toronto-G20 ... It has been quite a pathetic protest. I mean really this has been tame compared to the the protests that have taken place in other cities. Our wonderful police the prepare to protect people by chanting "Box the RATS" .... thats their manthra as they prepare through their ritual dance from the bus to the front line. G20 has been an economic boon for the police. They now has new shiny gear and the right to arrest anyone they feel is walking around downtown. A free city it is not.... watch out the ... Blair Black Squads are protecting our City....
Well you can't complain about the security because there wasn't any.
This is a disgrace. The blame for this lies at the door of the Federal Government. They knew this would happen and allowed it to happen. The Federal Government ignored the pleas to not hold the Summit in downtown Toronto. The G20 were well protected while the citizens and business were not. This has cost Millions upon Millions $ in lost sales, wages and property damage which is NOT covered by insurance.Prime Minister Harper, you owe the citizens and business owners of Toronto an apology along with your resignation.
Dagmar in NS
As a (very happy) German in Canada I can tell you that this "black block" is highly violent, aggressive and dangerous. In Europe you can find them since many years at every huge event. These people are criminals and the only intention they have is creating chaos and destruction. They are gathering for "action" where they can "play" their personal video game in reality. Unfortunately the only language they understand is also violence and brutality. Do not think it is over because they are resting. They are just planning their next steps for night and darkness. These people are enjoying destruction and are dumb, fanatic and unpredictible.Canada deserves better! My deepest respect for the police and security out there. Stay strong and be careful.
The Harper government will use this to justify the billion dollars spent on security. The fact is that this event should never have occurred in downtown Toronto, and should have been in a location where control could have been more easily maintained. Had this been done the costs would likely have been more in line with the approximately $20 million spent in Pittsburg. And the other $980,000,000.00 dollars maybe could have been used for some of the projects that these protester were looking to protect. All we have now is a photo-op for Harper, a demolished downtown in one of the most beautiful cities in the world and an image that has been brought in line with every other country that has held this event.
And frankly I'm shocked that this story begins with ""500 people arrested in connection with violent protests"
In connection? That's a pretty long stretch.
Weren't CTV journalists detained? Were they violent protestors? Where is the story on that? National Post photographers were also detained? Were they violent protestors?
The story should read the 500 people were detained in connection with peaceful protests.
I see that things got out of hand in Toronto for the G20 meeting. I'm not going to support this behaviour, but we all need to ask ourselves why they did this? The leaders of our World no longer listen and many who are leaders are more corrupt 1000X over, for the atrocities in their own countries, than those arrested yesterday. The hu...man and moral hipocracy and the glut and waste of well over a Billion Dollars!! At least these people have courage going for them to speak out against this, while Billions watch on in judgement...When will enough be enough?...As the billions of gallons continue to spew into the ocean in the Gulf of Mexico and the people are dying of starvation every second...There is something terribly wrong with this picture! Don't you think? If your not part of the solution, you are certainly, part of the problem!!
To Jake in Florida - your comment only justifies why you live in one of the most hated nations on this planet
Who do these people think they are destroying property and causing all of this mess. Next time instead of using a sound system use real bullets!We live in a free country and you have the right to a peaceful protest but these trouble makers cross the line!. They should be put away for a long time, probaly the same morons we saw in the o;ympics.
Jim in Ontario
Watch for Ignatieff to now criticize the Prime Minister for NOT spending enough money on security.
Prof. Pye Chartt
Against the advisement of a relative in Toronto law enforcement who has a supervisory role in summit policing and security (and my wife), I ventured downtown late yesterday afternoon to visit a good friend in hospital (thankfully, not one that was on lock-down). Driving into the city was a strange piece of cake, although radio coverage of the violence breaking out made me seriously wonder whether I was making a stupid mistake. Very little traffic east of Yonge Street, and sparse pedestrian flow. Looking west along Queen Street, I could easily see something big and crazy happening. Eventually it got rather eerie, as the only traffic became the odd police cruiser. Upon leaving the hospital's parking garage, 3 unmarked vans abruptly pulled up, and officers in full riot gear began spilling out. It was clear that I needed to get going. After a troubling 15-minute delay by the Air Canada Centre, following witnessing hordes of police and bands of roamers west along Wellington, I made it onto the Gardiner Expressway (which seemed to have only 10 cars on it), and buzzed towards my suburban sanctuary, talking to my wife in the car, and getting heck for being a foolish father. Watching CP 24 when I arrived home was a disturbing eye-opener. It's hard to believe that the mindless thugs managed to create so much destruction and wreak so much havoc with such a police presence in the area. (Undoubtedly, my relative in law enforcement will give me some insight today.) The greatest head-shaker, for me, was the vast number of mental midgets who poured into the downtown core to amuse themselves with the "action," getting in the serious way of hard-working police everywhere. What jackasses.
To John in Oshawa. The Union leaders and their supporters held a peaceful protest. They in no way condone any of this violence. Your comment just reinforces the fact that you are an idiot.
Wow, one billion (and more) for security and these idiots still managed to burn police cars and smash store windows. Wow.
Gee, Mike, what do you suppose would have happened to you if you had stayed away from the whole demonstration/protest thing and let the G20 meetings take their course? You play with fire, you might get burnt.
I want to start a protest against street protesting. These damages come out of my tax wallet. I will start taking it personal. Where is the democracy here? I am protesting by not being on the street. And maybe half of the people who stayed of the streets did the same. I want tear gas and rubber bullets used against all the people who don't follow the rules and regulations put in place by the most of us. There is no excuse that the damage where not caused by the general protesters. If i would provide shelter or cover, knowing or unknowingly to a act of crime, i would be responsible.
Can we here a big ATTABOY for our Police and Security forces! Perhaps the media and whiners will now understand what the authorities have known for ages. There is a reason for the money being spent on security. Perhaps we all should be taking the morons to task rather than challenging the Chief of Police at every turn.
None of those arrested should be released until the G20 is over. Letting them back on the street provides them the opportunity to carry on again today. IMO Any non-Canadian arrested should be barred from entering Canada again and those who are Canadians should be put on a 'watch' list for the future.
What are the benefits for holding G20 in downtown Toronto? Why not stay in Muskoka where G8 was or anywhere that's remote enough for the protesters to go?
This event costs downtown businesses too much. And the money "invested" on security by our dumb governments does not give us any returns. Remember, it's our money that they get to spend without having to asking for our consent.
Just a bunch of uneducated little boys with mommy issues breaking windows to get their kicks. These losers have no political agenda. Their actions prove they are not smart enough for that. Because breaking a window does not send a message. Talking does. So pathetic!
Freedom of speech is one thing, idiocy is another. Do they even know why they are "protesting"?
The G20 was just an excuse for a bunch of criminals to go and vandalize, loot & set police cars on fire.
Can anyone tell me what they accomplished besides getting arrested and looking like morons on a world stage???
I agree that they should have the freedom to express their thoughts and feelings in a peaceful demonstration but to act like this is disgraceful.
I hope the police continue to arrest these idiots, not that it will deter them in the future but they should pay for their crimes.
Matt from Oshawa
I strongly feel these events still do not justify the 1.1 billion spend on security. or the millions of dollars the businesses surely have lost after being forced to close and being vandalized. This Summit should never have been planned for downtown. It should have been planned somewhere more remote, somewhere more secure, somewhere ohter than in the middle of over 5 million people. Had they planned this properly, had they picked a better location, they could have saved taxpayers a billion dollars and local businesses too. I hope people see this and do not all of a sudden justify this 1billion dollar price tag. Last years summit in Philadelphia cost 18Million ...
CTV...you should be ashamed of yourself. I listened to some of your on-line video broadcast and you make the Toronto Police seem like savages. You make the protestors seem like they have done nothing wrong. Would you consider beating police with their signs, burning vehicles, and damaging property "nothing wrong". You are just as bad as the protestors are. Half of these idiots protesting don't even know what they are protesting for...they are just there to have a party and destroy whatever they can get their hands on. Do you really think anyone is going to pay any attention to a bunch of raving lunatics that are destroying a city...do you really think it's going to make a difference. The only difference it will make is to show the world that yes, Canada like all other countries is also made up of stupid, idiotic fools that care nothing about anybody but themselves.
I'm quite sure leaders of the peaceful protests had a very good idea who many of the black block members and leaders were. The fact that they did not point them out to police basically puts them in cohoots. Sad.
MAL of TO
The police didn't act earlier because of our weak Chief of Police and his policy of appeasement to law breakers. 500 have been arrested and now need to face charges, court and jail time. They should NOT be caught and released just to avoid bad press, etc. If this happened during the Caribbana parade the 500 would go all the way, let's have no difference here.
Whats most ridiculous aspect in regards to the summit being held in Toronto is the sole fact that police have to deal WITH A MAJOR CITY's night life and therefore have a two front war to fight: The masked cowards who want their voices heard and their violence seen; and the drunk night club patrons who want to keep the party going. The children and young adults of this country are becoming alien to the tradition that this country has maintained for years. Its a disgrace.
Disgraceful. Three cheers for the Police. Thank you.
The media in this country...The Globe and Mail...the Toronto Star...CTV and especially CBC....have a LOT to answer for...YOU are the ones who helped to incite the anarchists! Days and days of destroying anything Canadian..YOU media have a LOT to answer for!
First the 1.1 billion is not wasted. Money does not disappear but is in fact recycled. Wages paid will generate income tax, be spend in stores which will also pay their employees who will pay taxes, GST/HST and so on. The government will see all this money returned within 3 years with benefits. In reality it will serve to stimulate the economy and help someone keep his/her job along the way.I admire the restrain the police has shown. They had a plan and execute accordingly.
The cost of the damage is far less then creating a reputation of heavy handed police intervention. Holding the meeting in a city is much easier as the streets provide control areas much easier to secure than open areas. Nature has to provide obstacle and the secured facility must be small. The downside in cities is crowd control tend to be larger but normally manageable. Always evaluate the causes and effects before passing judgment.
I'm reading some of these comments and have come to the conclusion that some of you people cannot distinguish between the word violent and peaceful protests. Did you fail your grade 5 English classes????
All I have to say is that these protesters are just looking for a way to be violent and destroy property. They have taken away from people who really want to stand up and be heard. If they are proud to be protesting for something they believe in why hide their faces. That is cowardly and they should be punished accordingly.
Canadians showing their disappointment with the billion dollar fake lake party. The police should have to pay the billion back to tax payers, they just watch & didn't try to stop this.
These meetings have protestors. Some of the protestors turn violent. I don't care if they are anarchists, criminals, or just plain idiots.
I wish the real protestors would realize that no one cares about your causes you are marching for any more. They just care that there are morons out there trying to be as destructive as they can and they need to be stopped. I can honestly say that I have no idea why they are protesting, and I think that is true for most Canadians. Grow up people and find a different way to try to change the world.
these are no longer protesters, they are rioters and should be treated as such. and everybody who thinks that the police should do more I agree, the police should of used way more force and disperse everyone from downtown. I have no sympathie for these rioters, they deserve to be in jail.
"No one in Canada believes for a moment that this orchestrated violence came from anywhere else except the government itself, specifically CSIS and the CIA that was determined to create a "threat"."
Prof. Pye Chartt
@ Mike: Rather than "share" your "point of view," Mike, I'd prefer to simply respond to it by saying that your long-winded account begins with a purposeful visit to a girlfriend's pad but quickly brushes over what you were doing to attract the attention of police (you only say that you "took pictures" and "voiced your opinion"). It doesn't jive. How did you suddenly end up being a "protestor," Mike, as you were supposed to be meeting up with your girlfriend? Something's fishy, buddy. Anybody with any practical intelligence and worldly experience would suggest that there's more to your story, and that we're not being given the true and proper picture. Try again...but, be advised that your credibility is now in question, and it is unlikely that some/many of us in this forum will regard your "point of view" as anything other than anti-police bull-crap from a trouble-maker who won't come clean. Thanks.
I don't diminish the roles of the vandals, however the fault for this mess is on Harper. Why have this meeting in d/t Toronto. Why not Gander, Whitehorse, or some other isolated city?
Dan in Van
Okay, while I do not agree with where the G20 meetings took place, a la Downtown Toronto, its done and over with. All you people complain and moan but its done, final. The rest of you, arm chair generals, need to learn where to keep your idiotic comments down. Have you ever been in the Police position in the middle of a riot? Their job is to avoid confrontation and from the home videos I've seen they did a wonderful job.
In that situation, I absolutely agree police have the right to detain and question people. Detention and having an actual charge laid against you are two different things, so educate yourselves before you open your jaws again. Police are also quite often outnumbered by protesters, the average ratio of police to citizen is about 450 residents to 1 cop... Yeah, sure, let's be the hero and rush a crowd armed with molatov cocktails...
Also, to Wells H ... Police cruisers were abandoned because the individual offers in them would have been swarmed by hundreds of anarchists, and 2, they didn't use burning paper fool.
If the G20 was a transparent process as should be in a democratic society then none of this would have happened.
Why hold it behind closed doors? What is there to hide?
Mike who was arrested, while eloquent in his post, makes a great case for the line, "You can't legislate against stupidity"
Every "sane" person I know was no where near the centre of the city yesterday.I have several friends who live in highrises on Bay near College - they are spending the weekend with friends in Etobicoke. Sorry Mike, but you really aren't very bright.
To I...the leaders of these summits are so untrusted that it is entirely possible that....1- The anarchists(some at least) are on the same payroll as the security forces and are there primarily to distract us from the agenda of the New World Order...enslaving us all...for capitalist profits!2- To justify the massive police presence & massive budget to host such a summit!The NWO is NOT a conspiracy theory...many of these very leaders have used the expression at several meetings public & private. To believe otherwise?...is evidence that their tactics are effective...in pulling the wool over our eyes!BBBAAaHhhhhhhhhhhh....said the naive sheep...prior to the fleecing one deserves....when truly that naive! Oddly enough...goes all the way back to GWB's Granddaddy in the early 1930s....the ever laughable single shooter....AND the grassy knoll!
One cop with a Glock could have stopped the vandalism instantly. They knew it was coming, right? They have observers and snipers on the rooftops, right? They saw the masked people in black coming from kilometers away, right? They had 20,000 officers on hand, right? 20,000! They wanted this mayhem to justify the price. You can not offer a reasonable argument to deny to the obvious.
To Mike.... I CALL BS on your story!!! You knew what was going on down there and still you went there!!! Any SANE normal minded person would know not to go there!!! You are one that wants sympathy and claim stupid accusations against the police... tell your wa wa story to a lawyer and you'd better have EVIDENCE to back it up!!! There are cameras everywhere and if one catches you at the scene at all before 8 PM... you're in a world of hurt my boy!!! Give your head a shake!!!
We condemn a young immigrant woman for choosing clothing that covers her face for her beliefs, and yet we take no action against these protesters who wear masks for destroying other peoples’ properties. How stupid Canadians are. And who are responsible for these protesters? Canadians, of course. These protesters are Canadians’ children. OK, some of them are not Canadians, but they are in Canada. They must do what Canadians do, n’est-ce pas?
Besides I never hear a word from Canadians about respecting others’ cultures and others’ values – not a word from Canadians about respecting others’ rights and others’ values. All I hear from Canadians are – MY WAY, MY WAY , NOT YOUR WAY, NOT YOUR WAY. Well, Canadians, these protesters are products of your ways – your cultures and your values. As one Canadian confess, riots are Canadians’ tradition.
I can't believe someone could be so stupid as to hold these meetings down town. Who ever it was should be held accountable.
I have lived in parts of the world that police & Government are really violent and corrupt, here in Canada it is the opposite, its the protesters that are violent..
Canadian Police arrest some protesters without injury then release them later that night, in my old country you would be severely beaten up and released a couple of years later!!
Lets stop these fraction groups like the "black bloc" from joining our protests!!!These are not real Canadians but hoodlums living off our taxes, most of them don't even work..If we don't say anything and let them join our protests then we are like then not any better.
I was in downtown Toronto yesterday and met police officers from all over our great country, coming here to protect us, do you realize many of them have left their famlies for 2 weeks..
I took the time to thank them for the hard work and dedication to keep Canada safe.
MAY GOD PROTECT THOSE WHO PROTECT US!!!!
Thank you Stephen Harper. This violence can be laid squarely on your doorstep. The violence is no surprise. The G 8, G20 should have been held on a military base like Cold Lake or Goose Bay where it can be secured. No reason to waste a BILLION of our money, but Mr Harper, as usual you just continue with your dictatorship. No Fear of you ever getting my vote!
Richard in Ontario
My eyes deceive me. I'm reading on here some people defending this outfit of cowardly crimials and it appears as well they're making up stories to justify their comments.
Blame the Security people if you want but keep in mind that the Black Bloc as they're called had only one object in mind, and that was to search and destroy. My only disappointment was that with the media coverage that showed video over and over of the same damaging actions by these hoods, we didn't see one of them getting their head busted. My hope is that some of them are still in jail when the next event where some want to protest is held.
Why not have this meeting in a military base where it is safe and does not bother with the everyday life of the citizens of Toronto? Is it cause this was a test for marshal law, and getting us used to secret laws passed,and see what reaction they get? And why were masked men allowed to parade around without getting arrested, before they set fires,and broke windows, yet if you did not give your name you would be arrested, it doesn't make any sense, looks like it was staged, by provocateurs, so the protest ends,cause that s the way they ,the global bankers want it,
When will the world leaders finally behave responsibly and decide to hold the G20 in a remote location? There is absolutely no reason to have it in any prominent location! In fact, in this day and age with all of the technology available they really could find another alternative completely! What a huge waste of money and resources!!
Concerned Ashamed Canadian
I cannot believe that people are that dumb... When I saw someone try to light the Starbucks on fire with people living on the second floor of the same building it made me sick to my stomach! The criminals who are destroying our city are not protesters they are criminals and deserve to be punished. I hope we all learn from this and that all people stand up and show these thugs that this is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Kudos to the Police for helping to keep us safe!
People saying the police just watched all this partake... have you ever fought a fire larger than you??? The easiest way to keep a forest fire under control is to cut it off at points and let it burn!!! It's safe for the firefighters and it downsized the amount of damage done. Same in the case of a riot. You cut off all avenues of escape and spreads, you let the crowd attempt to calm themselves down... then you move in and put out the fire... it's safe for the police and eases harm to civilians. So quit badmouthing the police as they did their jobs RIGHT!!!
While I do not approve of the vandalism by the anarchists, I think it is wrong to say that they are criminals without a cause. The anarchists here have the clearest message. They don't want the G20 in their city, and they don't approve of this massive group of authority figures-its the basic definition of anarchism.
This is for Toby; you had some really idiotic statements about the G20 and the federal government. We cannot let thugs and criminals dictate to us as a free society. If the government wants to hold a summit in Toronto then violent protesters should not be allowed to disrupt it. What you are advocating truly would be anarchy. Unbelievable.
This is without doubt another example of Harper's contempt for Toronto & Ontario. His right wing, semi christian fundamentalism values and power base are wrong for the majority of this country. He will be remembered as a self centered , cunning, power hungry leader who did not have guts to do the right things as his main objective is staying in office at all costs through political stick handling. Oh for a leader in any party with vision & truthfulness. That's who would deserve our votes.
I'd love to hear Mardelle's explanation as to how a black-clad idiot breaking up private property in Toronto is going to have ANY impact on how world leaders in both politics and business might change their behaviour and decision-making processes. ANYONE who damages property that is not theirs gets NO support from sane people - all they get is total distain for both themselves and their so-called "cause"
My comment is to all that say that the Police should have stopped the rioters before they started. Well my comment is that if this would have been the case, we would have had a multitude of "Police Bruatilty" or "Invasion of Rights" issues. The Police needed to wait otherwise all the other rioter would have went home to mama (lawyer) and cried how the cops abused them and they didn't do anything wrong. Unfortunately that is the way people have been morphing our society. Cause & Reaction. In good policing, Reaction should come before the Cause, however, due to these little babies crying out wolf there needs to be a Cause before a Reaction.Just my point of view.AlBob
Anne from Manitoba
I want to say a big Thank you to the brave police officers dealing with these criminals. The great job by police is priceless and worth every cent by Canadians.
To the close minded who don't believe that police or people working on behalf of the police aren't mingling among protesters and causing the damage, just browse videos online. The videos speak for themselves.To those who say protesters should be treated like terrorists, you will feel very much at home in places like North Korea and Iran. Places that you probably wish we'd bomb because they mistreat their people, and yet you have no problem with our governments and police mistreating our people.If you want to get angry at someone for how this went down, be angry at the government who placed the conference in downtown Toronto, and be angry at the officers who stood back and allowed the burning of the cars and the breaking of the windows, while at the same time attacking and arresting peaceful marchers. The burning cars and broken windows were part of a plan to distract the media from the real violence, which is the abuse of peaceful protesters at the hands of police.
I don't in any way condone violence but I am not in the least surprised. We have a dictatorial government that continues to ignore the wishes of working people while supporting big business. This had to happen sooner or later and I am afraid this is just the beginning. The working class do not exist to provide the fat cats with luxurious living.
It was held in Toronto because it's an amazing spotlight on our strong banking centre. As much as this is a G20 meeting, it's also a great way for Toronto to remind people that we are an invest-worthy market. "Toronto" has been on the front cover of most world newspapers. And regarding the suggestion that the Police intentionally left their police car unattended and that they purposely let the cars burn; don't be silly. That's an absurd statement.
If you are a peaceful protester, and you try to stop the anarchists, the police will in all likelihood charge you with assault. They are there to protect the anarchists because their job is to discredit the peaceful protest movement. Plus, it's great revenue for the media.
And why did this G8-G20 cost over a Billion $$$$ ???
Because of the Self Chosen Few!
If the peaceful protesters turned against the violent ones... That would send a message worth listening to.
It's always the bad apples that cost the most.
Drew in NS
To Mike.... your STORY is sad and compelling, and in my opinion CRAP. If this is what really happened at what point are YOU going to take responsibility for putting inocent little Mike in harms way into that area of Toronto during the G20. My only opinion on your little boo hoo rant is that your lucky it happened in Canada, you want a challange try this in the Middle East or some third world country. It is not my responsibility as a taxpayers to provide you a meal and water if you were only held in custody for a few hours, you wern't staying at the Hilton. Once you grow up and are able to wear big peoples pants, maybe you'll reliaze it's not all about poor little Mikey and his straw hat
A billion dollars for security and they can't even handle the totally predictable violence by the anarchists? What a huge waste of money. What a stupid place to hold one of these summits for the global elites. If I were a business owner or employee down there getting vandalized by these idiots, I would be very upset.
I beg to differ with everyone that calls these animals extremists, because every protester secretly would like to be doing the same thing, in order to get their way. They are all, nothing but a bunch of spoiled f____g animals!Go back to your cuban paradise if things are so bad here.
Big surprise they found this vermin hiding in their holes on university property. Once the shining beacon of higher education, these intuitions have degenerated into nothing but a cesspool of left wing propaganda. Any semblance of education is gone, and has been replaced with mostly left wing brainwashing.
Ship them to Afganistan, they can walk in front of the troops. Least they'd be doing something worthwhile.
ralph in saskabush
1st Helen I'm in total agreement with you. Toby your a fool along with your friend Mike. John from Ottawa I'm with you on your comments and hell I'm in a Union. For the people who compain, saying the Police just sat back and watched I'm sure you would be the same people who would complain if the police were to aggresive. Maybe they should of had this summit in downtown Calgary and let the wild west take care of these idiots.
The history of violence at G8 and G20 events should have kept Harper from choosing Toronto. There are always anarchists at these events. But in his extreme arrogance he insisted on the financial district in downtown Toronto for photo-op reasons. I can only hope that some Harper supporters realize how his deep arrogance causes very bad decisions for Canadians. We pay an enormous price for his massive vanity, over and over again. Unless you like giving lots of your money to Harper to be wasted, don't vote for him again. If you depend on the TTC or the GO, both partially canceled because of the G20 in Toronto, don't vote for Harper. If you want a prime minister who uses common sense, don't vote for Harper.
Hab riots less expensive
Hey Toronto, I guess the Montreal Canadian riots are not so bad after all??? And the cost of security is far less. Not even close to a billion diollars. Maybe just some police overtime! You can keep these summits all you want.
@MargAlberta: are you trying to say that the police should just have shot all these protesters down?
So, let me get this straight. We have anarchist who infiltrate peacful protests which results in police trying to ascertain who the criminals are. When the police act, they get condemned by these protestors who have a legitimate right to make thier claim. My question - Why aren't these so called peaceful protestors directing their anger at those thugs who are ruining it for them. I saw pictures of protestors just standing idle as storefronts were destroyed and cars set on fire. Where were the protestors? Why didn't they stop these people? Oh, right, that is the job of the police who as soon as they try to catch these criminal thugs are "attacking peaceful protestors". Quite the double standard - and they complain about G20 leaders grandstanding! Honestly
The real problem here is not with the demonstrators or the police but with what is going on inside this meeting of globalists. All the rest is a distraction from the truth - you work it out!
Tim McDermott, Rawdon NS
I believe in free speech. I believe in human rights, and I believe in peaceful assembly. In fact, I believe in those rights so passionately that I have chosen to defend them. I've done so for the last 25 years and in the process, I've seen friends and colleagues killed and injured. I have at times put myself in peril, and both my family and I have made countless sacrifices. I am therefore extremely disappointed to see and hear the news reports of violence, and worst of all, people watching passively as common hooligans rioted in the streets. The threat to democracy does not come from police. It doesn't come from the state. It comes from people who are not willing to take a stand against violence; who are willing to tolerate vandalism, destruction, arson, looting, and assault in their midst.
If I belonged to the Canadian Labour Congress, or the Council of Canadians, I'd be furious with the anarchists, not the police. It was the anarchists, not the police who initiated the violence. It was the anarchists not the police who disrupted your right to peaceful protest. It was the anarchists who put you, and your families at risk. You should be mad as hell not standing around cheering them on. Shame on you!
It is sad to listen to some of the people criticizing the actions of the police. It is easy to watch the television and say 'Why don't they do this", "Why are they not doing that"... Downtown Toronto is a big area.. they were trying to let the peaceful protests continue.. I can tell you that the police had all of their time off cancelled, they are human being being put in a horrible situation where there is really no winner. No police officer enjoys this, they would all rather be at home enjoying the summer with their families. They put themselves in harms way as part of their duty, but the goal at the end of the day it to 'go home safely'. They do not have eyes in the back of their heads. The situation is hostile and violent. The police did not want that. The horrific actions of the few anarchists yesterday should tell us all where the fault lies... on them alone. Why do people stay and watch? That also restricts the police from reacting as they should.
Last September, Pittsburgh hosted a G20 summit that resulted in no great breaches of public order but whose security-related costs totaled only about $12.2 million (U.S.) -- less than 1.5 per cent of the projected costs of the summits in Toronto and Huntsville. How you can get to $930 million is beyond my comprehension, said Antony Davies, an associate professor of economics at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh. That seems impossibly large. The French are holding this meeting next year and expect to spend one tenth as much as these clowns did . If this doesn't pss you off you must be brain dead
Pretty easy to condemn the poor. Why is it you are calling all these people crimminals when you are giving comments like put them in don valley jail and let them be with the crimminals. I agree some of the protestors should be accountable for their actions but you are just as bad wishing them harm from your safe cozy home. Peaceful protests don't change anything I think the sixties showed us that. Stop taxing people to death and bailing out big business. Feed the hungry and shelter the poor. Don't you thing our government is somewhat responsible for this. I for one am glad to see some canadians are willing to take a chance and protest for their rigt to walk anywhere they want in our "free Country". We can spend Billions on a weekend event that dosen't really acomplish anything yet we will give people 500.00 a month to feed shelter and take care of ourselves. Maybe we should close our borders to immigrants until our country has enough jobs for the people who already live here. Maybe raise the minimum wage 20% like our govt officials. By the way I am a business owner and not one of the unfortunate. The thing I really feel sorry for is our country's lack of compassion for the less fortunate.
I wonder how many of these protesters have actually voted in an election? How many of them know the names of our Party Leaders & how to spell their names? I think the police should ask those they have arrested if they can answer these questions.
The demonstrators by their presence are shielding the vandals. All should be funneled down streets into semi trailers and taken to detention centers.
Richard in Ontario
@SammyYou get the award for the dumbest post of the day. It didn't seem to address the issue of the vandalism or idiots rioting for whatever reason. Your rant against Harper is the usual Liberal rhetoric, binging religion etc to almost any subject.
Most likely the people in black were Americans.C'mon Easteners grow up and quit the violence.Proofs nothing,solves nothing. It can however give you three squares a day in a cement cubical with bars! Enjoy the slop!
To Mike the student, Im sorry you were arrested even though you were peacefully " demonstrating. But if you sat and watched what happened all afternoon, like you said you did, then why on earth would you go out and do your " peaceful protest from 500 meters away from the police " ? Did you not think that just maybe YOU might be arrested arbitrarily? Did you not think that maybe some of those cops had had enough of watching people get away with taunts and physically abusing them and others? Again Im sorry you were detained and possibly hurt. That is not right either..but on a day like yesterday someone like YOU, who is apparently as bright as MOST university students should be...staying AWAY would have been the SMART thing to do! gumshoe53
Dave From Toronto
To "Mike" who claims he was unjustly detained and suffered just because he was on his way to visit his girlfriend.
You knew damned well what was going on before you headed out. You KNEW that police were attempting to control unruly people and crowds in the area you were stopped. YET, you went anyway just to take a little look around didn't you?
And now, you're playing the poor, innocent bystander card.
So, you're a university student eh? Guess it doesn't take any common sense or intelligence these days to get accepted to university. Makes me want to question what area of study you were accepted to.
The police deserve a medal.
Re these black clad punks:-Is it not against the law to wear a disguise in public?
If not - why not.
CTV, please follow up on this,
finally canada has caught up with the rest of the world,the elected leaders dont run the countries its a waste of money to hear them talking about the same old things over and over and nothing changes they give money to the poor who already own that money to use so there giving nothing,the bilderburg group who didnt exist know does its on mainstream tv and now we know the people who have been saying what they do for 30 years were right,there riots all over the world this year and mainstream hasnt even mentioned it there bankrupting the system and know one is talking about it ,the rules that were in place to protect the small guy is gone and no one is talking about it so thank god people are waking up to how far its getting if we all dont i think we will become slaves
SK Freedom Lover
Good, and while they're at it, they should arrest the ideologue professors who fill their heads with this social engineering garbage...
PCJ near Regina
Blair is doing a pretty good job - too bad he's such a liar about the value of the gun registry...
Had police left their unified front it would have been exactly what the splinter group wanted, Divide and Conquer, Police did what they had to do.
What ever happened to ... "Police have been ordered to SHOOT rioters and looters ON SIGHT".... that seemed like a fairly successful riot quelling strategy..... ?????? ......
I am proud of how ALL security personnel have conducted themselves in regards to both the G8 and G20 summits. All the training in the world will not prepare anyone for the kinds of disregard and disrespect SOME will display, towards any form of authority, property of others and the safety of others.We will, unfortunately, always have a certain element within our society who feel they are above the laws which were put in place, not only to protect us, but to also give us the freedom of speech.Those who take it upon themselves to defy the laws of the land, should be punished accordingly. As a tax payer and law abidding citizen, it angers me deeply to watch a group of thugs destroy what so many have worked long and hard to build and maintain. It upsets me even more that most likely this gang of hooligans will only receive a slap on the wrist and sent back from whence they came.If ANY of the 'peaceful' protestors know who these undesirables are, they should let the authorities know. If not, those who claim they are protesting for everyone, ARE NOT and they deserve to be painted with the same brush as those who's only aim is destruction and chaios.
The level of security and the numbers of police are more than justified.
I think the police shoud be commended.It doesn't matter how they dealt with the matter people are never happy. When people are ask to leave a area and refuse they should be thrown in jail.We have so many rights ,all in the wrong areas the judges and lawyer are killing our country most police try to do there job and if they miss one, if, and, but, or it's thrown out and these low lifes are back on the streets selling drugs murder etc There hands are tied.Thank you for putting you life on the line for us .
Is it just me, of could some of the idiots with cameras just watching stop these terrorists! I see in the CTV video someone is flying the CUPE flag - unbelievable! No one has the right to damage property - protest peacefully! We sit back and watch these people destroy the businesses of hard working people. I would have lost it if I was there!
I think what is most disturbing in the video footage is how many people wandered around doing nothing to stop the vandalism. These so-called anarchists were completely outnumbered. I would have preferred to see footage where the peaceful protesters tackled the vandals in their ratio of 10-to1 in a message saying, "Your disgusting behavior in human society is not acceptable." And yet, in this day and age of cameras and video, these thugs wander around on the streets doing what they want. Everyone on that street who did nothing should feel completely ashamed of themselves at giving common hoodlums condoned power. You let down humanity and your fellow man today.
Patron who respects the LAw
The Black Bloc is a bunch of losers that are Emo's gone wild. The Police should lock them up and ship them out to the Gulf Coast to clean up the oil spill.If they have time to destroy property and not respect the law they should be treated as terrorists and must be dealt as terrorist with any force needed by the police and army if real bullets needed then police should use them,.
These protesters, no matter what clothing they hide behind, have declared war on Toronto. They've vandalized and destroyed and disrupted the lives of the citizens of the city. A ripple effect was felt as transit services were interrupted; hospitals were on lock down.There are those who say the G20 should not have been held in Toronto. Why not? Our convention center is the perfect venue. That's one of the reasons it was built. Why should a bunch of ignorant losers decide where we should hold major events?The animals who took part in these protests thought they could come in, do what they did and not have to pay for it? Wrong!
I applaud the police and I am behind their tactics 100%.I say round them all up, every one of them no matter what their reason for being there, give them some jail time. The city should sue them for all of the damage they've caused instead of trying to figure out how to pay for it. Also, the store owners should sue them; all of their names should be made public.
As to whether the police arrested the right people - that's rich!!! If you're down there today after what happened yesterday, you need to be arrested!I was disgusted at the show of complete lack of respect for one of the most beautiful cities in the country. People all over the world were watching and what a wonderful impression they're given. I am ashamed of what I am seeing!
Good job by the police. I'm impressed with the restraint they showed. All you people who bash the police, give your head a shake. You wouldn't last a day dealing with the crap they put up with.
We need martial law. If your out on the street, your arrested. Simple as that. Enough is enough. And stop blaming the police for the actions of criminals. The police are doing a great job.
People Who Respect the Law
There should be a law against protesting anywhere and anytime.People who protest are a bunch of loser EMOS who just don't care about the everyday life of others they just like destroying others.Protesters should be locked up and treated as criminals and have a record.They have the internet to do things like this.
What do you expect? Harper shows contempt for it's people & the people are now showing their discontent with Harper's dictatorship.
Jim - North Saanich, BC
This is all too reminiscent of Krystallnacht in Germany many years ago where thugs targeted and terrorized otherwise law abiding members of society and their businesses in order to further their "new world order" which of course ultimately lead to the more horrible conflagration in history. I don't care whether these criminals are Nazis, communists or anarchist as the press suggests, they are in fact criminals bent on terrorizing society through destruction, bodily harm and likely murder if given the opportunity. When free people can not assemble anywhere of their choosing without the threat of intimidation, bodily harm and loss of livelihood, society must restore social order and deal with it or otherwise we will eventually lose all freedom. I would love to see the next G-20 held in The people's Republic of China and I would personally pay for one of these "anarchists" or Nazis or communists or what ever they are to attend and carry on there as they have done with impunity on the streets of Toronto..
How can people be so judgemental and reach conclusions, good or bad, about the protest without any real facts? This shallowness has been encouraged by the government and police. People should ask themselves, who interests are being served and who gains from this? To me, the entire event is shameful - to arrest people for failing to showing "identity papers", to leave police cars unattended (is this baiting?) in the middle of the protesters, to deny arrested people access to lawyers or to make telephone calls, to spend over a billion dollars on security while millions in the world is starving, etc. - what is Canada degenerating to?
There is only one reason to cover your face, because you know what you are doing is wrong, and you are ashamed. Cowards.
Why shouldn't we be able to show off our city to the world? They should be able to have meeting's anywhere in our beautiful country of Canada! No?!? It's too bad some of you think not. I am proud of what we have and think its too bad that these individuals are causing trouble and making us ALL look bad. I believe no matter where the meetings took place they would cause problems, they have nothing else better to do i guess! Its one thing to protest like normal, civilized people, but come on!!!! What is the world coming to? NO whats OUR country coming to? Itsn't it sad we are now wondering about our own country? I am very saddened, embarrassed and humiliated by all of this. I LOVE MY COUNTRY and do not want any of this happening where i live. These individuals need to get a life! Really! Maybe you should leave our country because most of us don't need you, really! go on now....anytime! and please don't come back here, ever again! not even for a second! GOT IT! Thats my two cents! Tks!
I support the police, it's a hard job being out there trying to control a crowd that could turn violent at any time. You guys are doing a great job.
Onlookers though are amazing and seem not to care about their own safety being out there in the middle of the riot and calmly taking pictures. Get out of the way! Even if you are not a protester, just simply being there, you are adding on to the police's job because they need to keep your safety in mind as well.
I've been watching this for the last 24 hours..... I see very few tax payers in the protesting group. hmmm.....I am ashamed of the people standing by, taking pictures while these 'anarchists' destroyed property. Is anyone remembering the reason for the security? Do we want world leaders lives being endangered? I can't believe this kind of reaction is occurring in our country, in the same year we celebrated the Olympics. The world was watching for that too.
It is to bad people are protesting against the police instead of protesting for their cause ! What IDIOTS to waste their energy. If they would do it right, it would get their point across much much more !!I support the P.O"'s that are there to try and keepthings safe, imagine what i would have been !!
There is no question that some of these so called protesters were just anarchists looking for trouble. They have been present at every G7, G8 or G20 meeting that has ever happened. This was nothing new. The trouble caused by those hooligans was the very situation that $1.2 billion of our taxes was supposed to solve. So far the security forces have been a weak failure. In fact, by leaving their cars unattended, the police must have been trying to incite trouble. They knew very well those cars would be torched, yet they did nothing to stop it from happening. It is one thing when some of you post idiotic comments about how these rioters should be treated, but OPP chief Fantino, who should know better, was on television this morning rewriting the laws on terrorism and organized crime. It sounded like one more attempt to incite trouble. I'm beginning to think, the prime aim of the police tactics is to justify the $1.2 billion in new equipment and wages.
Jack in Van
They put a G20 next to Canada's major financial district! Harper wanted the riots to happen to fuel his crime legislation. That's the only way the decision to put these meetings in Toronto makes any sense.
You guys are all idiots. THEY'RE MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO PROTECT THE G20 LEADERS. The officers will do as ordered, they're not going to do something, just because they feel it's right/wrong; They have to follow orders. And the reason why they couldn't respond faster to the situations, ex. car in flames is because they have a formation setup. They need to keep that formation, if they break it to attend to the situation, they break formation and leave open opportunities for perpetrators to go behind the lines!
Mobs, from those that gained momentum in the streets of 19th century England, or who lopped of heads with guillotines during the French Revolution, or those who more recently protested in Red and Black in the streets of Bangkok, or our own Canadian protesters, are collective expressions of frustration at injustice, at marginalization, at a nation's sense of diminished under a government that does not understand it. During the past few years many here in these forums cannot express with enough emphasis that the Harper Conservative is taking Canada down the wrong path - from its police-like mentality in dealing with people issues, to 'crime' bills that seem more to create criminals rather than dealing with reducing crime (crime that is clearly already in decline), to the failure of the government to listen to average Canadians on issues of minor and major importance - whether it be about openness in government, loss of teachers in our systems, loss of hospital beds, failure to act to regulate marijuana, our mistakes in a war in Afghanistan, making a new class of Canadian criminals out of those using music and movies, and the list goes on and on....A mob does not articulate its grievances well, and that is probably the most frustrating thing for pundits sitting at home in front of their TVs and reading newspapers from their armchairs. But, right or wrong, this mob is acting collectively, on behalf of many Canadians, to express frustration at a corrupt power in Canada which it perceives as evil.
FTW in Sask
The security money was well spent despite the whining of the left...can you imagine the damage and injury if these idiots had been left to roam at large?
I beleive that ctv is doing the best reporting here. Many questions I have and would like to know:
1. Where do the trouble makers come from?
2. Are any of them Canadian ?
3. what groups are they with?
4. Are they going to be made to pay for damage done?
5. It they come form other countries will they be deported and not allowed back into Canada. This is total madness!
Arrest them all and ask questions later. Quit with all of the nonsense about police state. This is a peaceful country but when the thugs come to town - lock them up and ask questions later. This is not reflecting well on Canada at all. And from what I read from some of the comments I would like to know how many of these people actually pay taxes and have all of these rights given to them. Are we not missing something here. No more bleeding hearts. Please save it.
A. A good number of people are not protesters they are thugs spoiling for a fight
B. Police did not initiate the breaking of windows, they were not even around when the hooliganism started.
C. These thugs spoil for a fight anywhere, yes a downtown setting is not the wisest thing but that does not give these criminals the right to damage property. SOMEONE is paying for this and it will be every Canadian.
D. To the bystanders and gawkers go watch on TV what is happening if you go there and mix in with the crowd and get caught up with the police doing their duty that is your own fault.
Bottom line is that the police are that thin blue line between peace and chaos, bravo to them for being there and for the amazing restraint they have shown. Peaceful protest is one thing, vandalism and assaults are not peaceful protest.
Jim Calgary Alberta
I say the Military should've been involved, these hooligan criminals should have been treated like terrorists. The billion dollars that was spent was used to protect civilans and the world leaders. It will cost even more for shop owners to rebuild what these idiots did. Next time use lethal force and if lives are lost maybe these hooligans will respect and obey the laws in this country and live there life like everyone else NORMALLY you idiot emo's get A LIFE.
to "MATT IN OTTAWA"---i'm late responding to your posting,however,for one thing,the last years summit was held in pittsburg,not philedelphia and the secutity cost to the city of pittsburg was $18 million...the feds footed the rest of the bill---the total cost was $1.5 billion for that summit.....pleased to keep you people informed....SOMEBODY has to!!
If the police were hauling protestors out of either Soup Kitchens/Homeless Centers, in Toronto? I'd have understanding and sympathy.-- To watch them, find and drag, these "thugs" out of a major university! I have no more than discust for them-- Hurrah, for the Police, in managing this MESS. -- Morris
Tornado warning in some cities today, too bad we can't divert it to downtown TO! That would clean things up
CTV was interviewing a girl - a stupid one that was part of the demonstrating - and she said she was in one of the "cages" and the CTV guy says "can you describe these cages as you call them"? JAIL - JAIL - JAIL!!!! that's what it was - if she had not been where she shouldn't have been she would not have been in JAIL! All of a sudden these "people" think they should be in the Taj Mahal! Imagine - she had to put her stuff in a bag - including her running shoe laces!! Oh poo poo! You were in JAIL - point finale! CTV - stop dramatizing these people and making it sound almost as if they are not the problem - they are - without them to feed off of these black a-holes would not be doing what they are doing! The CTV reporters really make us all look pathetic! CTV is making it sound like they want things to continue so they will have something to report - oh wait - that's exactly what they want! People around the world must be laughing at Canadians - NOT because of the police but because of the idiots in black and the journalists!!!!
@MARIO wanted to let us know how much he appreciated the work of police officers, sho came to Toronto from across Canada. He sympathized with them for leaving their families for 2 weeks. My heart stated to melt and my lips quivered. Then I remembered a constable makes $1500 per week. They get time and a half for overtime. They get travel bonuses for out of town service. They received payments for ccommodations and meals. My guess is most of them will go home with $10 000 in their pocket. Not bad for a couple of weeks work, that included two days of actual security duty. How many thousand officers were there?! Thank you Mr. Harper for spending our tax dollars so wisely.
You right wing nuts are so stupid . . . that you don't know that "anarchists" are extreme rightists, not leftists. They espouse no government, not big government.
WOW. most of you posters would have been right at home in nazi germany. evidently some people like to be told what to think.
Saturday night at the fights, no hockey game here just a bunch of morons,that have no sense of value for othe peoples property.
Hey I sorry to hear that your rights are being violated, but you did not think of the rights of the property owner. According to your standards there is no accoutability for your actions.
Have a good time in the can, if mommy and daddy smart they will leave you there. On second thought did you not count the cost for your actions. DUH
Yesterday it was extremely difficult to watch gangs of hoodlums wrecking havoc on Toronto streets while the police watched. Glad to see the police are being more pro-active today and attempting to take these criminals off the streets.
What a waste of money. I have a very hard time believing all those arrested were involved in criminal activity. Considering at all of the pre-G8 meetings (which also included VIPs from around the world) held across Canada leading up to the main event were secured by HOTEL SECURITY GUARDS how can they possibly justify A BILLION DOLLARS in security??? All an excuse to give corrupt police more power. Why not put Toronto under Marshall Law and really screw up peoples lives...
Stephen Harper should apologize to the good citizens of Toronto. How stupid to hold such a controversial event in the middle of a large city! He put law abiding residents at risk. He should pay for damages to homes and businesses.
Finish the summmit and get out of our city. I want my Toronto back!
The black bloc is working with the police. They were allowed to break police lines and walk down College unchallenged. There wasn't even a police presence to protect Police HQ, which is a little strange. Just look at the footage from the media. You'll only see the police arresting peaceful protesters, NOT dress in black. Yesterdays actions were designed to give the police more powers to intimidate and harass the peaceful protesters. And to think this all could have been avoided if the meetings were held outside of the Downtown Core.
I have been very impressed by the Toronto police. A lot of people have mentioned that they should have been able to break off immediately when things started to turn violent- the issue was a tactical one. One officer can not break out of line to chase after a pack, he/she would most likely have been attacked. The whole group can't break out of form to chase after them either; that would leave the very people/place they are protecting vulnerable. Obviously strategic decisions had to be made ensuring that there was still protection in the area, which is why the delay occurred. Also, it's really obvious from a lot of the footage that the police are constantly telling people to "get back". If you don't listen to them, that's your problem. These are people who have had to take insults, bricks, rocks, and signs hurled at them all day and night. There were officers in the cars that were attacked! It's unfortunate that those people who are violent have ruined it for the peaceful protesters, but the peaceful protesters should realize that that is the reason the police are tightening down on things and comply with them when they ask them to "get back". I also think it's really unfortunate that we should be told not to hold the summit in Toronto...that we "had this coming to us" for trying to host the summit in such a big city. I think there are many positive reasons for hosting it in Toronto, and I don't think it would be such an issue again if it wasn't for those violent groups that take advantage.Just my 2 cents!
Once the riots began yesterday afternoon any persons near the problem areas were just looking for trouble. So do not then try to justifyyour "tempting of fate" by suggesting you were there for peaceful purposes. Peaceful protesters do not taunt police officers, or worse.. throw things at them. Any disrespect for authority at such times deserves a much harsher response than that given by the police. Perhaps tear gas, pepper spray, batons and rubber bullets should have been used more readily. Since when does the right to express a warped perspective and to demonstrate hooliganism supercede the right of hard working taxpayers to have their property protected and to live securely ... and without the inconvenience caused by these leeches upon Canadian Society. And just look at the type of persons that are hauled away for failing to use better judgement by being elsewhere... these criminals are not exactly outstanding tax paying citizens... they tend to be mouthy losers... the dregs of our society.
There is a difference between real protesting and what these black clad buffoons are doing. I have participated in many protests where the police were communicated with and we obeyed their direction and things went smoothly yet our message still got across (animal welfare-related). These "protestors" are people just looking to steal and destroy which gives genuine protestors a bad name. Happened during the 2010 Olympics as well.
They obviously are not hitting these foolish foks hard enough. Hit them harder and they will think twice about this type of civil disruption and start going with reasonable protest marches as did many in history...
These protesters are an embarrassment to our nation, get a life or at least a job.
marc - toronto
who are you people that blame the overnment for the actions of thugs criminals and know troublemakers? The only people to blame for this violence is the criminals. If i used the mentality of some on this posting board we would do nothing in society because of fear of the criminals. |Stop whining, put the blame where it belongs. If peaceful protests allow their marches to be hijacked by criminals they need to wake up! Theyt are being used as pawns by these criminals. Dont blame the government or police. GET REAL FOLKS.
Doug Sault Ste. Marie Ont.
I have been watching coverage of the G20 on CTV for the past two days. I believe the police didn't act soon enough and when they did it was not tough enough. As far as the detention centre goes one of your reporters stated that it was not a nice place. It truly should not be a nice place and if you are dumb enough to get caught up in a protest that everybody knows is going to go bad, you deserve anything you get. Finally Harper's brainfreeze to hold the G20 there was stupid to say the least. It is something that we as tax payers could not afford. God Bless the police.Let us not forget the two young soldiers that died in Afganistan fighting a war we can not win. God Bless these young men and their families.
I wish the left wing eastern media would let the police do ther job.
The police are doing a great job! If the "Innocent" protesters and bystanders dont want to get caught in the crossfire....then get out of the cross fire! The police are trying to keep order and if your are in the area where there is vandalism, then you are asking to be a part of that vandalism. I think the police are showing too much restrain....I dont know what I would do if people were spitting at me and throwing items that are meant to hurt and/or kill! What is happening in T.O. is disgusting and I think this is taking freedom of speech to another level! After this stupidity, I would agree with protests being deemed illegal! The only awareness that was created by this is that we still have cave being living among us all! I hope the criminals get what they deserve and god bless the officers!!!! Great job!
Local, provincial and federal governments have as much right to hold meetings downtown as people do in exercising their right to peacefully protest these meetings. If you dislike a governments agenda then a vote at the ballot box is more powerful than anything you can throw through a storefront window.
The people who decided to hold the G20 in the center of the largest city in Canada knew there was going to be violent protests. But instead of taking steps to stop these they decided to spend approx 1 billion to confront these protesters head on at the expense of the image of Canada. Why was the meeting not held in an isolated area big enough to house all delegates but far away from big crowds from which the Black Bloc operates? This G20 is a Failure because of this alone and the image of Canada and Toronto is severely tarnished.
I believe that the destructive portions of G20 demonstrations were staged by police to justify their presence and their huge expenses. The news also will justify the governments' use of Big Brother to prevent recurrences. I think police either hired or took part in the black bloc tactics to further their own causes and gain more CONTROL over us. The media, government, and police are all working together to deceive the people. Maybe they're all connected to "the great deceiver" himself, Satan
"Breach of the peace?!" Everything was just fine until the G-20 descended on our fair city. The riot police are spoiling for a fight. A few hooligan vandals, no more than after a hockey game, are happy to take the bait, as is the media. A handful of hooligans are being confused with and used as an excuse to intimidate the huge number of peaceful and articulate protesters whose messages we would do well to hear out before we are once again summoned to the polls. Please CTV: report on the many important issues that all Canadians, protesters included, need to address. You can safely ignore the few irrelevant vandals and hyped-up riot cops: they're just a made-for-tv distraction. An abandoned car left to burn for ages on purpose shouldn't stopping you from reporting on the far more serious issues we all face.
It was the federal govt who chose to hold the G20 downtown Toronto. Keep that in mind people!
Harper is the one who made the decision to have this in downtown Toronto, knowing full well that he was throwing a tiger and an elephant into the same cage. Toronto itself did not WANT it. Toronto did not ASK for it - (unless you call not voting CPC 'asking for it'.) Precedence CLEARLY suggests that a criminal - and often foreign - element inevitably infiltrates these mostly legitimate protests. Now, he'll try to use this deliberate oversight to justify further erosion of civil liberties. This is Harper's way of punishing Toronto, but he's cutting off his own nose to spite his face.
I would hate to think what would happen to our Country if these "thugs" were our leaders. I would bet we wouldn't have "freee speech".
Come on! These people are not anarchists, they're too weak for anarchy! An anarchist is someone who believes in no laws, no rules, no police, the fall of civilization, and is not afraid to show his face. Ironically, none of these so called anarchists would survive five minutes in such a world. Anarchy would return us back to a race of apes with guns, where you and your family would be subject to any other bigger ape who wants to take what's yours, rape your wife and hurt your kids. So, yeah, go ahead and call for anarchy! And when the laws of man fall away, who's gonna protect those so called anarchists? There's a difference between protesting and vandalism. If you really want anarchy, don't complain when you get gunned down in the street. That's what you wanted, right? Anarchy. They're just a bunch of common criminals, using this opportunity to destroy a city. Today, I'm ashamed to be Canadian.
What part of "get back" does the crowd not understand....they are so adamant that they don't want problems...they are "peaceful"...then why are they down there being that close to the officers and that close to a situation that doesn't need to be out of hand. They want respect...then respect the officers and simply get back.
So, the little big man has had his five minutes of fame. Now, send him packing. No one needs trouble makers who just go around making their mark as do dogs.
The way this whole situation has been handled by the police and other organizations has been a disgrace to our country and nation. I dont agree with the violence that has been demonstrated by known organizations, but putting them in makeshift cages in groups of 30. We dont even treat hardened criminals with that much disrespect.
Doug # BC
MAKE THEM PAY!!! I totally agree with the post by "G20 Trash".There are others who also know,and pointed out exactly what the Black Block is. THese parasites should rot in jail for a while, and pay big fines if Ontario has courts and judges that actually believe in justice. Some of these Black Bloc morons came to Vancouver for the Olympics, from the USA. And some came armed.
I tottaly agree with "ashamed" about the stupidity of people in mobs. This is exactly what the Black Bloc counts on,and uses to their advantage. They are the cowards with the masks that hide behind peaceful protestors,women,and children. Then they incite violence, taunt the police,and hope people who went to protest peacefully will eithr join in the destruction,or give Black Bloc members the civer they need.And the weak members of the formerly peaceful crowd just follow the mob.
It did not work at the Olympics,enen though they also sucked in the BC Civil Liberties Ass. I think it was because of the crowd.Here, we had crowds of people out looking to enjoy the games. Their revulsion with the violence,and the contempt showed the rioters by the genreal public,left the rioters with no one to hide behind,and their efforts lost momentum. In Toronto,although probably unwittingly,those who went to protest peacfully,actually fueled the fire. By not backing off and saying "we protest this G20,but violence is not our way", they gave aid and support to the Black Block. Canadians should demand a list of all organizations who were involved in any way,and simply MAKE THEM PAY, by not giving them even an ounce of support until they renounce violence and terrorism as a valid protest tool.
I sort of 'hate to ask,' but: What are they protesting about?
I wish our news talked more about the issues than always seeking the sensational; maybe if we did that people wouldn't have to protest to have their ideas hears.
EXACTLY: What are their ideas?
Peter in MB
@ Sherry once again you liberals don’t have a clue what you are talking about... Oh and you are wrong… I look up Anarchism on Wikipedia… Anarchism is often considered to be a radical left-wing ideology… look it up for yourself… Next time do your research before shooting you mouth off.
Powertrip the Police
I have never been proud of anarchists until today. Do what you have to do, to make sure G20, never comes here again. Keep up the great work. and thanks.
If the protesters had any brains they'd carry Mohawk "warrior" flags and watch Fantino's boys wet themselves and run!
The protestors have shown to be a mix of violent and peaceful. To the violent I say; You are the scum that has been created by a society that does not believe in absolute morals. You do not even warrant any news coverage. Your purpose is not to build or solve, but to tear down and destroy. You deserve any rough treatment you have received. To the peaceful I say; You should not risk yourself or your mission on such activism. It has been known that this would become violent and ugly, yet you act surprised. Well, I feel sad that some nice and peaceful people got caught up in the net of the police, but what did you expect? To those who are providing security; I appreciate your service. Though I am sure some of you were over zealous in your duty, I trust that the majority went home at the end of the day hoping you do not have to do that too often. At the end of the day, I hope you all can see that it is just not a good idea to attend something like this unless you are willing to accept that there will most likely be consequences that you will regret. There are better ways to get involved and get your voice heard. You don't believe me? Great, go get shot up with rubber bullets and gassed and thrown in some detention centre and complain about being abused for no reason. See how many of us law abiding, loving and truly peaceful people come to your rescue.
toronto riots like they play hockey.. soft
come to montreal, we have real riots, our hockey riots are bigger than your G8 protest, for shame... j/k
i totally lol'd at the so-called riot picutres. what, just one police car? people are all up in arms, calling them terrorists?! typical Tdot PCs.
LOL, billions spent on security and NO ONE, thought about the sewers. Good lord. Who is running this fiasco. Oh, right, men, snickers.
And the mayor of TO, very angry he says,,,um, what did you expect Sir? This has happened at EVERY summit. You thought TO was special??? We know, we know, TO is THE center of the universe.
The world has gone crazy. Dumb, dumber, and dumbest. Humans.
The media love this though. Right up their alleys. Anyone dead yet? We're live you know. Why aren't the police stopping this? We want to see dead people. (This is the media drooling.) I wouldn't have minded a few dead reporters. Just to shut them up. No such luck.
Well I have no sympathy for any person who ventured too close to the sercurity zones or the trouble in general. What did you think was gonna happen? There's a lot of folks with too much time on their hands. all the 15-minute fame hunters who want to be the guy with the best youtube video of some poor schmuck being tasered by the cops just made this worse. If the protesters weren't there then none of the violence would have happenned because the cowardly vandals would have had no cover. Protesters - use the Internet and mail. There's no violence in a petition. No one's windows or cars get torched on Facebook. Your presence on the streets just makes things worse and I blame you for enabling the criminals. I think it's high time the world leaders either moved this conference into the teleconference realm or into a straight out secret locaiton. I have no problem with either. I'm not able to see what happens within the meeting's themselves and all I get to see is the cheesy photo-op so why not make it secret and just give me the results without the cheesy photo and the violence that goes along with each summit.
Jeff from Sask
I think they should have held the summit in Iqaluit. It would have cost less, and it would be hard for protesters to get there.
Timothy in Vancouver
Next year they should hold the G8 Summit in North Korea or in Tiananmen Square in China. I'll bet you these peaceful protestors at today's summit will have to find a jobs or something else to do even if you give them free plane tickets to go there. Yeah! peaceful protestors, that's a joke!!
I don't know why legitimate protesters bother to show up at all. The anarchists and violent protesters are using exactly this opportunity where hundreds of people with legitimate concerns will be present so the anarchists can blend in and cause trouble. No one cares about any of the issues raised at these protests because every time, the violence gets center stage. The G20 leaders don't care about the protests and issues. It'll be better off for the demonstrators with real concerns to protest at a time other than G20 or G8 summits! Then they'll probably get more of the positive attention they need.
Nazi's?? Hot Momma: you haven't clue of which you speak. I was 5 years old in Munich in 1936. I know first hand what the Nazi's were; luckily my family got out in time, many others (of all religions) did not. Just because people do not agree with your decidedly warped politics, does not give you the excuse to call us by the utterly repugnant word. Maybe you need to get a real education in life and history, not somehting courtesy of the local community college and television.
I have a hard time believing that "regular protesters" didn't know their would be this kind of trouble when they realized that these "terrorists" were in to no good as soon as they started changing their clothes and hiding their faces.
Out of all those "protesters" NO ONE could stop any of this ??? Give me a break here! All they had to do is circle them and have police come and get them...
As for the police, as we all know, in these situations, the terrorists HIDE behind the people, mix right in the MIDDLE of a group then hide... just like the Palestine's terrorists, Al-Quaëda, the Talibans etc.
It's the way all those 'cowards' work!
I just read that one of the photographers who works for the National Post was arrested as well. They were also known as a Conservative supporter. I guess the message is ,if your down there in Toronto even walking around, you will be arrested. The issue is how are the residents down there to survive without being arrested when they have to do grocery shopping, or they have to get home.
Lisa C formerly from Toronto
In all the footage I saw of yesterdays events, I saw one lone man grab a kid, yes a kid probably no older than 15/16, who had just attempted to destroy a storefront window. This man looked around and seemed to call for help, all the while as media and onlookers took their pictures and watched. The only thing that happened was masked people converged on this man and forced him to let go of the boy. The man, thankfully, was left in one piece as the boy fled and disappeared into the crowd. ~ I want to thank that man for being brave enough to not only stand up to these criminals, but to try to apprehend them as well. I know people will say he was foolhardy to try, but I say that if more of the crowd had behaved as this man had there would have been less damage done. And to the boy he caught, whose face was brodcast on national tv, I hope your parents turn you in to police!
Of course, the "usual suspects" blaming PM Harper. Wendy, we know you would never vote Conservative under any circumstances.No need to tell us that. Also to those saying this shouldn't have been held in Toronto. Please tell me where, other than a big city, are you going to find hotel rooms, restaurants etc, for the thousands of people that have come for these summits. Even some have suggested an army base, since when are there thousands of hotel rooms and restaurants there. Those that mentioned places like Kananaskis, where a former G8 was held. Kanasaskis is a beautiful place, but with only 2 hotels, nowhere near equiped to hold a summit of this size. As to the expenditure in other jurisdictions, it has been said that those estimates are far below the actual costs, and the true costs were not reported. Too bad that our MSM won't report the truth about that. After seeing the vandalism on TV, we now know why the security cost so much.Unfortunatly,there are always a few that spoil it for those that are legimate. I hope that those responsible are dealt with to the full extent of the law, but I also know that due to our "loose Liberal laws" that is highly unlikely.Kudos to all the police officers from all forces that have done their best under such demanding circumstances.Unfortunatly, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't, as is the case with our Federal Government. Imagine the outrage by the opposition,and Wendy, if the security hadn't been so tight!!!! Well I guess Wendy would oppose either way.
For those who say that this meeting shouldn't have been in downtown Toronto, where should it have happenned in your opinion ?
1-. A military base like Italy
Then it would have enabled
you to scream: democracy's
going down ?...
2-. Up north would have been a
Then, same answer as above...
So now if you oppose the New World Order you are an anachist? All I see are comments from peasants who are taught what to think rather than how to think. You deserve what you are about to get.
This message is for all the people who are criticizing the Police Forces that are involved in the G20. I hope one day you will need help from the Police and they don't help you. These Officers are doing what none of you cowards could do. So shut up, let them do their job, and let protestors/demonstrators say what they want, but for the idiots who cause problems, I hope they get arrested....
The police are in a no win situation, but, the way they are managing it now, the public sees what police have known about these thugs for years. The public and media have judged the police on what they caught on tape. That would be the police pounding on a peaceful protestor. What they don't catch is what the protester did before the camera was on. And those plastic bottles with an unknown substance they are throwing at police, the unknown substance is their urine. And they call the police pigs.
Prof. Pye Chartt
My inside information is that the conditions within the detention centre are NOT like those of a Four Seasons or Ritz Carlton. Some people aren't getting all the toilet paper they want, and are being denied room service, and the ability to yak with outside friends and troublemaking colleagues on their cell phones. As well, some poor, undeserving souls are finding that the wristband applied during their arrest is uncomfortable. Deplorable! This police-state madness has to stop!
Serkan from Montreal
Unlike us folks here in Montreal who do not have such a financial district as Toronto, you people in Toronto should be delighted and welcome such an event being hosted in your city despite the trouble caused by a bunch of left-wing anarchists. Such an event being hosted in the city of Toronto clearly demonstrated the scale at which the city has developed. Shame on you people bashing the government for choosing the city of Toronto. As for the protesters I hope they receive hefty fines and jail terms so they learn their lessons.
I'm watching the news on CTV and they have said several members,and maybe even the leader of the Blcak Block have been arrested.I hope this is true,and I hoe the Justice system does not release them to quickly,or without pressing all appropriate charges.Get bonds from those from outside of Canada.Take off their masks,properly identify them,and parade them all in public for everyone to see. Shame on Toronto for surrendering their city to these rioters.And shame on all Canaodaisn who support the rights of the criminals,and trash the police and the city provincial,and federal people who tried to defend the rights of law abiding citizens.And also,shame on all of the peace loving protestors who did not leave the scene whan the rioting started.By getting out of the way, you could have left the Black Block standing out in the open,on their own. And finally,shame on the organizations who did not lead their supporters.They now stand amid the rubble,and clain "it wasn't us.We believe in peaceful protests.Sorry my friends.What you really did was start out to protest peacefully,but when the destruction started,you failed to lead your supporters away,so police could apprehend the thugs and criminals.My father always told me you can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.So,peacful intentions or not,you all "danced with the devil,don't start crying if you burn in h***l". By not removing yourself from the riot,you condoned it.You masy have left the dirty work to the Black Watch,but you stood back and cheered as they attacked your home town. Shame on all who do not stand up for law and order.My sympathies to your police officers.They deserve better support. Now,prosecute those who attacked my country.
I'm appauled at the ignorance of some of these comments. To think that protesters were the ones carrying out the violent destruction of property is just not the case. This was done by a group of anarchists who were able to take advantage of a global summit taking place in a major city. If this had been better planned, and not in downtown Toronto, a lot of destruction could have been avoided and much of the tax money would not have had to go to clean up this mess. You would think that our Prime Minister would have chosen security over photo op after we all witnessed what happened at the Seattle summit.
As for Mr. James Blackburn's comment about those who were arrested; I will have him know that the majority of arrests were made against innocent civilians who were exercising their right to free speech. Watch some of the videos that are not put out by the main stream media and you will see peacefull protesters being violently taken down by police using excessive force.
I am all for peaceful protest for without them there would not be any civil rights moments for Natives, Women and African Americans. But the violence from yesterday was deplorable. I feel that the leaders of these groups should be held criminally accountable. I think it is the same as holding a party and your guests leave intoxicated and cause bodily harm or destruction of public and private property. The leaders of these groups should be charged criminally and sued for damages to repair the businesses that were affected by the actions of their group members.
I am not proud that Harper spent so much but when I see the distruction and harm that this group is doing it makes me wonder if they realise that they are the cause. We all have to pay for these criminals. The protesters are not helping their cause but they are helping criminals to do harm. Why don't they regroup and report the trouble makers and maybe their message will get through. Right now I don't know what they are protesting but I know who they are helping. Those people in the black bloc are well equipped and they communicate with each other by different modes and when one whistles the others run to assist and create more distruction. They supply bricks from landscaping to others so they can throw them at store windows and other things. We can see it why can you peaceful protesters let it happen and not report if you care so much.
it is a very bad idea to allow protesters near business places. they take it for fun to smash windows and break things, realizing that they wont have to foot the bills to replace these things. they are idiots, not legitimate protesters.
JB in Ontario
The Canadian police should be commended for keeping Toronto safe and allowing non-violent protesters to speak their minds. It is sad to see the anarchsits hijack other protesters and cause all the damage they have done including burning four police cars. They should have to pay for the damages and go to jail.
And the protesters accomplished...absolutely nothing.
these,s protesters should be ashamed of them selfs, they dont even have the guts to show there faces, cowards. i shure hope that the police keep on with arresting these people long after the summit is over, find them all, tally up the damage cost and fine them all the same in order to pay back for the damages.i agree that the goverment is responsible for holding these event in the big citys. why not rent a tropical island where nobody can protest, would be a smarter choice.
The Blac Bloc are police agent provocateurs. The cop cars you saw that were allowed to burn were 100% staged events.Google "agent provocateur G20"Please spread the word.
@C A Aulbrook Wrote: "The agitators should be considered terrorists and treated as such."***************************************************My thoughts exactly. If this had happened in the USA the foreign agitators would never be allowed to enter again and that should be our stand. These are criminals that are not welcome here. As for our own criminals...a criminal record that follows you for 20 years.
I attended a police station yesterday seeking assistance in an unrelated matter. I observed officers watching the news reports. After each police car was torched, the constables cited the vehicle call numbers and confirmed with each other that those particular call numbers were reported stolen earlier in the day, and that weapons from the trunks of the vehicles were also reported stolen.
The Police were aware of the vehicle call numbers. How do stolen Police cars that are clearly visible out on the street, in their presence, suddenly go up in flames?
Elizabeth.... are you sane?
Taunting police or throwing bricks at them or otherwise disobeying them during a time of crisis is not exercising ones right to free speech.
Once the riots began, "peaceful" protesters should have gone home and got out of they way.Instead they create more mayhem and so the so-called peaceful protesters get what they deserve. Perhaps these "protesters" should also be held responsible for the damage caused by the more overt criminals. You contribute to the mess... you pay for it. !
Jake in Florida;You got some nerve buddy. I can imagine if I went on an American new website and posted anti-American rhetoric. You should concern yourself with the activities in your country guy, and leave us to deal with the people in ours.
Thugs and criminals - "anarchists"?? .... water cannon them - throw the book at them... and they make headlines! ? Police are doing a great job !
Two of our finest ...soldiers.. medics lost their lives while working for democracy in a faraway land... - and they come second - what is wrong with this picture?
I just watched 10 min of video from yesterdays protest I can't beleive what I saw. It's obvious a small group is responsible for the damage but all the legitimate protestors didn't seem to care about what was happening. I watched one citizen try to apprehend one of the vandals and nearly everyone there booed and shouted at him to let him go. How can you protest one thing but stand by and do nothing as criminals trash public and private property right in front of you. Cowards if you ask me
Hello Canada!! It's me, Facism. Obey me.
While I am totally up for peaceful protests, being a Torontonian, it hurts to see the damage that has been brought upon the city by some ignorantly retarded thugs. They will be gone in a day and we Torontonians will be left to pay for all the damage. The whole message of the protests from all the groups, whether peaceful or not, has been lost in the wake of all the destruction. I for one commend the police and would like to see all the so called violent protesters put behinds bars and not released till they pay up for the damage they have caused. They are nothing but criminals and deserve a good beating. Some people are complaining about how peaceful protesters have been arrested. Well, it's not too hard for some one for cover themselves head to toe, burn a cruiser, and merge back as a peaceful protester after getting a quick attire change. Shame on them all. BRAVO to the cops and hope they come down even harder on these idiots.
It's sad that a small minority of anarchists ruined the message of the legitimate protesters. Most of these "black block" anarchists are nothing more than narcissitic spoiled brats looking for excuses to vandalize in the guise of helping the oppressed. I hope they go through the full bureacracy of the law and pay for the damages they caused. They should count themselves lucky they are doing this in Canada and not a more hardlined country where they may just end up disappearing.
I read the comment from a university student named Mike and was annoyed at how things have gotten out of hand. To treat an innocent bystander with such indignity it outrageous. Why the need by police to call him queer with skinny legs? Mike, you should take action on these comments because no one, and I mean no one, can intimidate anyone. Secondly, every other comment is regarding anarchists but does anyone take a moment to think it could be the work of regular Torontonians who are fed up and angry with their government. Come on, why are we forgetting the 1 billion price tag of the summit and bringing on HST which I think is going to make all of us poor in the long run and then cutting back on so many services. Why do we forget these things? They are frustrating as at every turn, the govt increases taxes on and on. Come on, we need these protests, we need to show we are angry otherwise no one listens as we very well know. So, lets support the protesters, they are protesting to bring justice.
AWESOME!!! Its about time that people understood that the police will protect themselves when assaulted. Its not about protecting the world leaders...its about officer safety. This summit would cost 80% less if there weren't any protesters being stupid and lighting up cop cars....and don't even try to convince me that those are just a few "bad apples"....
600 under arrest. Right on, 9400 more to go
Pop Pop Pop, protest over!! Well done Toronto Police and all other agencies in Toronto helping maintain order. The silent majority support the police and realize what a difficult job they have. Break the law go to jail. Simple.
Questions for those who support this meeting should be held here for showing off our beatiful city: Do the high fences make the city prettier? Why the people who work in downtown feel they were caged in like zoo animals?
We would like to see a perminant summit venue built in Arctic and the costs be shared between those G20 coutries.
I think that they should have had the Summit in Unity, Saskatchewan. Name of the town is very suitable for the Summit. Nowhere to hide (very flat). Community Center is plenty large to hold such an event. If you are a stranger in town with the intent to cause trouble, the locals could identify these strangers immediately and have them removed from the area. My $0.02.
Anything BUT Conservative
This is all Prime Minister Harper's and the Conservative Party's fault. 100%
I am so glad that the idiots are taking the news instead of the protesters. One day, the real protesters with a legitimate cause will want nothing to do with those creating havoc and will expose them. Until then, I don't care what you are protesting...you are all a bunch of jackasses.
To Dale !!You have a good idea! Send them all (The black clothed ones) to the war zone and there they can be all brave and smash windows and cars.
after watching the police brutality on the news during the summits protesters need to need to use others forms of protection other than stones and sticks.if you are protesting peacefully and police start pounding on you with clubs you have the right to defend yourself with what ever means neccessary an eye for an eye. whatever weapons the police use on peacefull protesters the protesters should have the same to defend themselves.that would surely negate unprovoked assaults by the police.
Part of why innocent people are arrested is that the police are human, believe it or not. There were mobs. How do you tell who is destroying things and who isn't? How do you tell who has weapons and who doesn't? I doubt anyone posting here would have liked to be a police officer during all this. Sadly, these criminals who did all this dragged other people into their riot. We can all point fingers at the government, the police, the protesters, etc. etc. but the bottom line is, these people (kids) destroying things were committing criminal acts & had to be stopped and yeah, the wide net grabbed more than the bad element. That is how it ALWAYS is when criminals infiltrate and work their bad mojo. I hope Canada doesn't get all politically correct about this because I'd like to see the proven destroyers held responsible for their acts.
With today's technology, the summit could have been run via video conferencing. There is no excuse for this waste of taxpayers' dollars, loss of wages and revenue for those working downtown or trying to run a business, or for the costs associated with the criminal acts imposed on us by these degenerates. "Peace-loving protestors" could share their messages in so many better ways than ridiculous protesting. Protesting is useless.. It's really just show-boating and a grab for selfish attention. Instead , messages can be shared through letters to MPPs, online via any governement site and by sharing your story through your cause or charitable organization. Better yet, if you don't like what your government is doing, show them via your vote next election! Your messages are lost by allowing the dregs of society to ruin everything. Protestors should quit whining and turn their wrath on these anarchists who destroy their credibility.As for our police, we should be supporting every effort they are making. We should not be so bold as to judge their strategies. Their purpose is to keep the G20 contingent, the public and themselves safe, and avoid confrontation. Don't forget too that these brave men and women are people too! They have left their families for two weeks - missing games, recitals, children's graduation ceremonies, losing their free time, their family vacations. All to protect each of us, even the idiots who are destroying our city and Canadian reputation. To the police, THANK YOU! You and our Canadian military are true Canadian HEROES!!! I'm so digusted with what our society has amounted to, and by the ignorant posts here. Think before you rant people!
We should be happy to live in a world where world leaders are willing to sit in a room and try to make the world a better place.
Be reminded that there are thousands of issues in this world that we can work on and they can only be discussed one issue at a time, one day at a time. The G20 is meant to focus on more of the financial issues in the world. There are other forums to discuss world hunger, woman's rights, etc.
I support those that had something to say and did so peacefully, you have that right. To those of you that chose to break storefront windows, loot businesses, burn police cars, graffiti all in sight ~ &%!# you. That comes out of my tax dollars and because of your ingnorance many of us have to sit at home watching the news embarassed that we live in a world where people would act so distastefully but also would give no consideration to innocent peoples property and with no consideration for the people that would rather have their tax dollars spent on health care, education and not cleaning up your childish mess.
For those that suggest skype, video conferencing etc. I agree that this is a useful tool, however...when discussing serious issues with friends and family, do you prefer facebook? or do you prefer to sit in a room together to share your point of view.
To Mike ~ you knew where you were going, what you were doing and as my dad always said "guilty by association" ~ don't sound so surprised. The police waited a LONG time before laying down the law as they have been criticized in the past for their actions. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I think they did what they could do give those that felt they needed to say something some space and look what good that did. As far as I am concerned...peaceful protest means peaceful, not lighting cars on fire. If you are in that area, don't act so surprised.
And to that pathetic girl that was the first face I saw on the news when I woke up this morning whining that she only got 2 cheese sandwiches while being held for her disgusting involvement. Cry me a river...what about the people in the world that are probably on your protest list experiencing "world hunger" I am sure they are really sad to hear you only had 2 cheese sandwiches in 19 hours ~ maybe they will protest for you.
Come on Canada...we are better at communicating than this.
I spent yesterday watching the protests on several channels. I not sure where the amazing restraint the police showed was. When the damage was being caused and police cars burned they were no where to be seen. That's not restraint in my opinion. There were thousands of police in the downtown and yet were mysteriously absent from every scene of damage being done. Even though there seemed to be news crews on these scenes that filmed almost every broken window and burned car. The other thing I wonder about is the story of police being pelted by bricks and bottles. By the looks of the coverage almost everyone down there was filming, and yet I have not seen one image of anyone throwing things at police. If the police enforcement strategy was to let the trouble makers run riot, so they would be able to suspend civil rights and make mass arrests later and not be questioned about it. Then by some of the comments on this post, I guess you could say, job well done.
I watched the whole 5 minutes of video and only one word can accurately describe what is in there: staged. There were more cameramen and reporters than protesters, and everyone was obviously waiting around for someone to do something so all those cameras can have something to record. It looks like everything is going as planned. The protesters are getting their faces on TV, and the "leaders", that is, of business, politics, and police are happy too because the wing nuts are exactly where they are supposed to be: protesting (a mile or two from where anyone of any importance can even hear them) and smiling for the cameras. All that was missing was a teleprompter off on the side telling those three dozen idiots what to chant. Oh, and someone on the police side telling them when to fire. I'm pretty sure I heard someone yell "Action!" at one point. They're all idiots, the protesters, those of us watching this choreagraphed play, and one more to blog about it!
Black bloc was allowed to break through police lines, yet peaceful protesters were physically accosted if they even got near the lines.It makes you wonder what the real plan was of the police leadership. And you just have to see the footage of them attacking the police cars, you can see that police are in the area but let them carry on with their violence. But when it came to the peaceful protesters, they fired rubber bullets and smoke bombs. Are they really trying to catch the violent anarchists, or is allowing them to damage property part of the plan to crack down on democratic rights to protest?
Thank the police - don't blame the police!If you were innocent and got hurt or detained by the police, then you have to realized the job they had to undertake here and upon realizing you were in the middle of a riot you should have LEFT. I'm already sick of hearing "innocent" people whining about how they were mistreated by police - shut up already!The police should be commended for having to deal with these douche bags who started the riots and caused thousands of dollars in damage. And for what? I don't know what anyone was protesting but I sure have seen a lot of riot pictures and stories. Good Job! Message not received.What an embarrassment!! Spoiled Canadian Brats!! You should be thankful you live in such a great country.Thank you to the police!!
History if full of protests and upheaval before change.There is a constant in all such times.Those in power start with demonizing those calling for social justice as radicals before turning to outright violence which leads to their downfall.Turning Toronto into a scene resembling Tiananmen Square is not going to go over well with the natives no matter how much their MSM allies try to justify it.
My my, what a bloodthirsty bunch we have posting on here. I hope all you pro-police people (not that I'm anti-police, but I don't support them with no questions asked) end up on the wrong side of an arrogant cop one day (yeah, they DO exist). Then I can sit here and laugh at you and say, "Well, you deserved it".
Does anyone actually think objectively anymore? This board demonstrates, for the most part, a bunch of automatons who just repeat the crap they hear on their favourite news network.
Lies.....all lies from those who caused the trouble. They will lie about what the cops do to them. They will lie about the conditions of the detention building where they are put into. They will lie just to lie and make the police look bad. These trouble making goons are the ones who are lying, burning police cars, breaking windows, throwing rocks, throwing molitov cocktails, insulting and pushing back the police officers, pushing over newspaper machines, vandilizing and looting and wearing masks to cover their cowardly faces. COWARDS! Each and everyone of them. They lie about how the police are treating them while we see on Television how the hooligans and cowards destroy property.COWARDS!
Doug - Owen Sound
It is my opinon that the media has been part of the problem rather than part of the solution. It had an opportunity to encourage people to stay away from the problem areas and support the police as the Chief requested. I heard very little in this regard from any of the media oulets. One example of misguided support by the media was for the "poor" woman who got arrested for doning a gas mask after she saw the police put them on. In my opinion she was obviously there to cause trouble.The professionalism and restraint shown by the police here has been remarkable and should be commended, Instead it appears the media is looking for any opportunity to criticize the police.
Its nice to see the police use force when not needed .... i hope when parliment resumes they etch to get rid of harper and his cronies
Well done on both sides, but i don't care for the vandalism or the rubber bullet in the face, so shame on both sides also.
@ Wendy.... I do not think that Mr Harper even WANTS your vote. You are always blaming him for anything and everything... even the weather.! As for the violence in Toronto, this would have happened no matter where the summits were held in Toronto or anywhere else. It is obvious that those responsible were immature thugs with no agenda but to cause trouble and destruction. Jack Layton said he was aware of these thugs behaving this way in the USA and elsewhere , yet he could not resist taking the opportunity to bash Mr Harper not once but several times. This coming from an elected member of the Opposition ! In my opinion he should be ashamed of himself and does not secerve to hold an elected federal position in Canada with comments and dirty dribs towards our Prime Minister.
Haley - Toronto
For the first time, we have had the Metropolitan Toronto police cruisers set on fire which I never imagined will happen in Canada. Thanks a bunch, Stephen Harper! You have given us a memorable week end and we will always be grateful for your Christmas present. Mr. Harper, next time, please consider Skype based G20 meeting. Thank you to our Toronto Police for their dedication, and restrain.
Make it illegal to be in a public place with your face covered when asked to identify yourself you must show your face. Problem solved in many problem areas. These criminals are infringing on my right to a peaceful nation.My father went to war for these scumbags.He is rolling in his grave.
They terrorize downtown, then complain of the price of security, followed by a complaint of detention centers..... The root of the issue is these type of "Protestors".
I laugh at the comments supporting Harper on this. Today's Question Was Toronto the right locale for the G20? 83% say no.
Anyone who went anywhere near this area has crckers for brains. Unlike some of these people I wouldn't run towards a fire or explosion. By choosing to hold this conference in a large city the politicians gave the thugs an opportunity. Hold these meets on a cruise ship in the middle of the Atlantic and blast the approaching boats, planes etc. into the next world. The devil will welcome them back.
matthew from Oshawa
Even if there isnt a venue big enough to house all the politicians and the media They could have built one big enough else where for far less than 1.1 billion dollars!
In my opinion, If you do tha damage that was done, you should have to pay for it. The tax should not have to pay for what damage that was done. Why should I as a tax payer pay for damage done by some BONE HEADS? The police sould get all pictures and tapes from the media and ID the people and make them pay for all the damage that was done.
Thanks to the TO police! Keep giving these losers exactly what they all deserve, a beating!Don't want to get caught-up in the mix? Stay away!
Rolf N. Pedersen
Do us all a favour and stop the live coverage of the malcontents on the streets of Toronto. Broadcasting your test pattern would be more informative. Such events might be considered as a PS to a regular news broadcast. Rolf
I watched a video where people were on their rooftops yelling at the little rats to "get out of our city, no one wants you here", while they were smashing the storefront. Little rats, you're lucky it wasn't me on top of that roof, because you would have gotten a cinderblock thrown at your face.
Even before the day broke yesterday the media and the people who do not even bother to learn about the issues had made up their minds about the protestors.
For the person who used Wikipedia to prove that Anarchism is left wing abviously only skimmed. There are socialist Anarchists but there are also right wing ones and some right in the centre. If you are only going to cherry pick information you should not provide your sources.
I understand why the peaceniks turn a blind eye to the more reckless protesters. "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend." As a peacenik I don't approve of violence. As a concerned and educated human, I am opposed to the culture of greed and indifference to the plight of our vulnerable humans and animals.
I believe that we should be dealing with the disasters in climate change that are already happening as well as things like the leak in the Gulf. I won't use violence and I won't protect a government and group of countries that are ignoring the real problems in the rush to get more money and more power.
FYI: The women's movement eventually had to turn to civil disobedience in the 1800's. Equal rights in the US came on the backs of many dead. France had legendary civil disobedience. Big change rarely comes quickly or without pain.
Charlie in NS
I think that I could be lying if I said I cared about any of the street thugs who were arrested. Toronto Cops Are Tops.
Corey - Markham
Hmmmm, not much talk about "black bloc" tactics today. Hopefully those not arrested are trapped in the sewers after the manhole covers were welded shut lol. They can live like the rats they are.
Well as somebody who was there. I would say the police did a phenomenol job, anyone arrested was not following instructions, and those that were the biggest problems were not always wearing black. Kudos to the cops, I believe that the vadalism and chaos caused intentionally by the rioters should be view as terrorism, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I am so sick of everyone trying to point the blame at the cops, I live here, and the cops were not the problem whatsoever. The message of the protest is now completely lost.
something is going on @ Dundas & Logan. 3 cruisers, and a court van, @ least 3 unmarked police cars
Soon the CTV reporters will be defending the rioters claiming their civil rights were abused. What about the people whose businesses were damaged??? How about defending their civil rights. There is no free press, it's now all tabloid journalism.
Follow the rules!
You know what I find crazy??? People coming out of detention and complaining of the conditions. LOL What are you looking for a hotel so people can be comfortable and cozy. Its called consequences for stupidity. If the police says move away and move back and you dont...its your problem! Stop wining and learn to follow the rules. Rules are made for safety and to keep order. Grow up people and take responsibility for your decisions....especially REPORTERS!!! Geez...this is a joke and I am embarrassed to be Canadian for the first time ever! Thank you to all the police out there...GREAT JOB!
Shawn from Edmonton
it is painfully obvious that the tactics utilized by the Left wing in this Country , not only exploit, but rely on us "average" Canadians being quiet observers with opinions, realizations, passions and beliefs.( but no desire to push our will on to others. )I recognize the Rights of all Canadians; inherent with these rights is the right to Peacefully protest. I also recognize that by quietly sitting by and keeping my ideals to myself (as most "average Canadians do) I am empowering: the media to paint their slanted picture, I am empowering various groups to maintain this facade that they will have us believe that they had no role in yesterday's violent activities, and I am empowering the Left Wing extremists who rely on our silence to enable their attempts to sway naive citizens. The organizers of yesterday's "peaceful" Protests would have us believe that Black Bloc tactics utilized by the "anarchists" caught them by surprise and subsequently they denounce these actions. Ironically, when did the Protest attain live coverage on all news stations? When did Canadians notice the Activists? The answers to both questions...when the Black Bloc tactics were employed. The "average" Canadian realizes that despite an overt, well written release in which Organizers of the "Peaceful Protest" intimte their disapproval of the Black Bloc tactics utilized by some, the obvious reality is that Protest organizers rely on these tactics to gain media exposure and ultimately turn focus to the only people who are actually ever held accountable, the Police.
I think the police are doing the best that they can. Since the Black Bloc take of f their garb to blend in who is to say they are not there today without their garb siting other to become violent. It seems there are a lot of French people there today and for what purpose??There also seems to be a lot more young people there today and they are the kind to protest without really knowing what there is to protest.For those in jail you were too close to the line or too rude to the police. Don't go there if you don't want to end in trouble. We all knew it was going to be like this.
Terry in Regina
For the babies crying about being arrested and treated poorly, don't go to the area in the first place you have no business to be there. Remember in some countries the police shoot first.
I listened to CTV reporting thugs were not from Toronto. Did these thugs bring their parents with them to Toronto ?I am disappointed that CTV chose to focus on Toronto thugs instead of positive results from G/20. Shameful display by Toronto thugs and Toronto parents. Canada deserves better from our largest city.
poor Mike being detained..should of stayed home where you belong...not the police problem its yours..how do they know who is who...dont blame the POLICE!!!!
peter in MB
1. To all of you people on her blaming Harper, shut up and go back to your little liberal imagination land… 2. For all of you people on here that keep saying that the protesters Freedoms of speech and peaceful assembly we violated… Read the Charter of Rights and freedoms and read the section Called LIMATATIONS!!! Other people have rights too, Not just the Protesters.
Prof. Pye Chartt
Perhaps my favorite comment emanating from the gleeful (yet pretending-to-be-serious) media covering this nuttiness came from a television news director who, after listening to an anchor read a story about the alleged conditions at the detention centre, quipped in response, "Well, I don't know what 'conditions' one would expect at a temporary detainment centre." ...Nice one, Stephanie.
government spent 1 billion ,,, so we can watch them beat innocent people ,, and have a blast doing that!! When they were burning cars etc... the police just watched ... Money well spent Harper!!
When we had the conference in calgary it was held in a remote area ,, not on 17th ave Sw !!! what a joke,, we waste our tax money on hiring these police. I heard that Harper could have used the army and it was pretty much free..!!! I wonder if Harper will raise the GST now so we can pay for the beautiful beatings of inocent people. I hope bystanders took photos and take these police who used brutal force on innocent bystanders to jail !
OUR country looks like a joke on tv now!!!
What is happening is despicable. Peaceful protests are the back bone of a democracy such as ours, but violence, destruction of property, and a "mob mentality" should not EVER be condoned. The "peaceful" people in these demonstraions need to work WITH the police to STOP the vandals/hooligans/anarchists who are instigating and performing acts of ciminality. Having said all of that, it was a HUGE mistake to have the G20 meeting in Toronto. Why not hold it in a very isolated area, where security is easier to erect/achieve/maintain? Like Churchill, Manitoba?? Let the wild woolly "anarchists" deal with the Polar Bears. Ha!
I am truly ashamed to be a Canadian today as the crowd provided shameful material to be described as uneducated morons with no purposes whatsoever but to disturb the peace and providing negative media attention.......and to you my dear Wendy, you are still and forever will be a whiner.... Steph
These people are like a disease, untill you get rid of them and lock them up in jail in the middle of no where.Leave them there to fend for them selves for the rest of thei lives nothing will never change. As tax payers we have to pay for these morons, lock our doors, watch our kids every second of the day. So much for freedom and living in peace.What ever happened to good old fashion justice.
I am against the 1 Billion spent on this summit. However I fully support the police officers - they protect our Cities - sure there are a few bad apples but 99 % of our police force does a wonderful job of protecting people and properties - how can Citizens not support them ?
To CTV news... I am just watching your 6 p.m. news concerning your news producer Farzad being arrested. You showed us a video of him being led away by the police, however, you neglected to mention that Frazad was wearing black!!! You told us in the previous segment that the police were arresting anyone who was wearing black. If he didn't want to be arrrested then perhaps he should have worn another colour!!! We all knew what was going to happen with the G20 coming to town. All our nightmares came true. The hoodlums that vandalized downtown Toronto should all go to jail.Bravo to the police on a job well done. At first I didn't appreciate hearing how much security was going to cost us all but it was obviously well worth it. Perhaps next time the G20 takes place it should be on a ship in the middle of the ocean!!!
Terry in Regina wrote, "For the babies crying about being arrested and treated poorly, don't go to the area in the first place you have no business to be there. Remember in some countries the police shoot first."
Think of how ridiculous you sound. We're supposed to judge our own conduct based on the lowest common denominator?? How about if I said this: Remember in some countries that some protesters are suicide bombers. Feel better now?
Putting aside, for the moment, the unacceptable idiotic vandalism committed by a few, it is worth a serious look by our "leaders" at the other THOUSANDS who were protesting in a lawful, peaceful way. These citizens, WHO OWN THIS COUNTRY BY THE WAY, have a right to have their concerns not only heard, but HEEDED.If our "leaders" don't want them to JOIN with the hoodlums and thugs the next time then they'd better start LISTENING & ACTING on their concerns. The spending of OUR money... without our express permission... is THEFT. The BILLIONS to set up this ridiculous circus of fences and 20,000 officers just so a few... a VERY FEW... world "leaders" can have TWO DAYS (more like a few hours) of yakking about things that have already been decided is enough to bring out the rage in anyone. It is a horrendous waste of money. The contempt our "leaders" show for "us" by commandeering our cities and interrupting our lives so they can have their meeting is simply not acceptable. There is a UN building sitting in New York all set up for their meetings. Why the hell dont' they use it?Every single one of these "leaders" has been bought and paid for, in one way or another, by international banking and business concerns. Each and every one of them is a puppet. They know it... and so do we. I don't know what their collective agenda is but I suspect it doesn't bode well for us "little people."Be warned... "leaders." We "little people" have had just about all of this bullshit we can take. And there's a lot more of us that there is of you and your gestapo.
@Wendy: Just yesterday you were predicting no violence because "this is Canada" (to paraphrase your comment) and now, almost on cue, you are trying to pin this on PM Harper, as if he was personally handing out Molotov Cocktails and burning police cars. Funny how all of these "free thinking, enlightened" professional protesters (aka hooligans) claim to be above the control of the world elite, but as soon as they show their true colours, they claim that their actions were beyond their control, caused by the decisions of others!!As for your asinine suggestion that we should have these conferences in the middle of the arctic on some military base, I'd bet my bottom dollar that if Harper HAD suggested having the G20 in Cold Lake, you still would be screaming bloody murder, claiming that it is an affront to democracy to hold meetings so far away from the public eye and the reach of protestors. Face it Wendy, your political opinions are a weathervane that swings with every decision that the Conservatives make, no matter what they do you are going to advocate for the opposite!!
After the distruction of this weekend I think that protests should be outlawed since this black bloc will always show up to make trouble. There are other ways of showing discontent, petitions, tv or newspapers etc..
This is just rediculous.
I think the police are doing a great job and deserve to be commended. Thank you officers you kept your cool under terrible circumstances and you were great.
Sounds like a bunch of violent, lazy punks with time on their hands and limited intelligence out to cause a maximum of trouble in the name of their pet causes. The ones who are protesting the lack of democracy should learn to get off their duffs and vote in our peaceful democracy. They don't know how lucky they are.
Here's a conspiracy thought- remember the movie Network where the media was bankrolling the terrorists to boost ratings--well...?
I would thank the police for knocking off some empty blocks.
Angered Loyal Canadian
Seeing the destruction which achieved no positive gains angered me yesterday. I do not claim to be informed about what everyone who was going to peacefully protest wanted to say to get their point across. Maybe I would've found that out had the "Black Bloc" regects not turned the G20 story into a negative one while destroying public property.I'll retain the fact that, today, after all the happenings in the G20, I'm left with no idea of what the leaders of the world want to do to better everyones situation. The "Black Bloc" would seem to not want the world to become a better place or let the leaders identify the problems and make solutions to remedy them.I will not comment on my job other than the fact that I am here to defend Canada from all enemies. To me, people that destroy public property (which the public will have to pay for, not them) and conduct terrorist acts are my enemy. I feel as though the majority of hard working, loyal, respectful, sensible Canadians who are were angered like myself because of the destruction should attend the next protest. I say that for the following reason: we have the ability to make citizen arrests of people conducting vandalism. Just think...a couple hundred weak, cowardly bottom feeders conducted all this destruction. Now inject thousands of Canadians who are pissed off at them and willing to put a stop to these infections. I guess I'm saying that the public (I wish I was there and not out west) should do more to stop this from happening. I like the fact that people can protest to get points across, but when groups decide to destroy our cities, we as Canadians must assist the lawful authorities to stop them. Props to the police btw
I hear some of the 'thugs' are living in Toronto's sewers.
It's funny how these 'peaceful demonstrators' who were arrested just happened to have black clothes, gas masks, and flammable liquids in their back packs. These vandals attacked Toronto to try and get police away from the wall, the police didn't breach and these punks were eventually caught. So while they may have won one battle; they lost their war. I'm proud of the work to Toronto police did, and police from other cities who came to aid them. It takes a lot of will power to not react when people are throwing rocks, glass, metal and even piss at you, as well as harassing you.
Watching the coverage right now of what's unfolding on Spadina, I hope people observe what the police have done. They're arresting news cameramen, and boxing in innocent civilians, not allowing them to pass. Who knows what's next. The goon squad looks like it's itchin to use it's toys, namely the sound cannon.
This willguarantee Harper a majority,Most people like me from 50 years to whatever see that this country is being taken over by terrorists and special interest groups.This justifys the cost.Oh yes why shouldnt we be able to invite people to meet in our country in any city.The best part of this being in a city they have been able to arrest over 600 hoodlums and they will now be on file.Had this been held in the boonies this would have not been possible they would have disppeared.Good police work
TO in SK
Excellent work by the police - keep arresting them and keep the idiots off the streets...
Haley - Toronto
1) So-called “protesters” who have covered up their faces: show your faces if you believe in your causes. Why are you hiding behind a black cloth? What have you got to hide from us? If we don't know your names, how can we give you credit for your bravery? 2) Legitimate peaceful protesters do not hide behind a black cloth. Legitimate protesters have real names and identities, which stand by their actions & they would not create mayhem, cause property damages, nor do they hurt people physically or financially. 3) People’s Livelihood: The hoodlums may want to raise their consciousness that not only have they damaged legitimate protests’ messages, their destructive actions have also caused workers loss of wages, all of whom depended on their part time jobs for their living. The affected businesses not only have incurred property damages, but they have also had to cancel their employees’ week end shifts. 4) Some critics are saying we have lost our civil rights this week end: What loss? I am quite fine, thank you. Hoodlums who have broken the Law, won’t know what they have missed out because do not recognize civil rights & that law & order do not apply to them. 5) Note to Legitimate Protesters – Groups: I heard your messages loud and clear.
I am sure there were a majority of well meaning protesters trying to draw attention to serious issues such as HIV, child labour, hunger and poverty. Did they make their points across? No. It's because the streets of downtown Toronto were filled with hooligans, common criminals, hard core criminals, and ignorant primitives who came only one purpose in mind - to cause chaos. Their objective was to take advantage of the situation so that they could loot and destroy, and unfortunately, they were successful. I bet none of those thugs live in Toronto - Toronto a city of Peace.
We are very proud of our police officers who carried out their duty so valiantly.
As far as the billion dollar expense for the security is concerned, this money was well spent locally and created so many jobs. Furthermore, does anyone think what an honour it was for Canada to bring all world leaders to our country? Isn't it time that we be part of the action in leadership instead of standing on the sidelines and be the spectators.
If these hooligans want to do something to make a difference in the world then they should go to the front line and fight along with our soldiers for the freedom and protection of those who are suppressed, have no right to go to school, have no right to move around freely in their own countries, have no right to vote.
I agree with Rose completely. We should demand this information which obviously will be collected, be also sharedrosesaidI beleive that ctv is doing the best reporting here. Many questions I have and would like to know:1. Where do the trouble makers come from?2. Are any of them Canadian ?3. what groups are they with?4. Are they going to be made to pay for damage done?5. It they come form other countries will they be deported and not allowed back into Canada. This is total madness!
I'm outraged that members of the media, including some of your team, have been arrested at the current situation at Queen and Spadina. I am very concerned for those trapped by the police in this area and rely on media coverage to ensure that police actions are "measured and reasonable". I am not convinced, watching the Queen and Spadina coverage with multiple arrests in what appeared to be a peaceful protest, that the police are acting appropriately. The G20 has now reached its conclusion. Blair and his officers should now back away and allow those who wish to return to their homes to do so. People live and work in this city and should no longer be held hostage now this G20 circus is over.
Rick in Toronto
I'm disappointed to see all the pro-police messages on here, but I guess that's to be expected given the idiot thugs who have been splashed all over the TV screens of the nation. The police have way too much power as it is, and, unfortunately, now the provincial politicians bowed to the demands of Chief Blair in giving them even more, when it's clear what they need is more accountability, and less, not more power. As Mike pointed out, the police are, as usual, going wild, arresting whomever they please, being as violent as they wish with people who did nothing wrong. Unfortunately, these insane anarchists smashing windows and destroying property for no reason make the public start believing the police when they say everything they do is for "public safety".
GOOD for the POLICE- THey have a hard job - picking up the SCUM off the street off Toronto
@Richard Earl -
These citizens, WHO OWN THIS COUNTRY BY THE WAY, have a right to have their concerns not only heard, but HEEDED
well that is why we in Canada have the right to express our pleasure or displeasure with our Government at election time and elections in Canada are held in a lawful manner.
Police are using a tactic called 'kettling' at Queen & Spadina. They block off all exits from the area, then they keep closing in until you are forced to pass through police lines where you are arrested. If you watch the footage, many of the people trapped are just regular folks not sure why they are there or how to get out.That's our police for you. They don't serve and protect the people.
It is rediculous to see police fire to peaceful protesters.
The Other Lowell in BC
What a colossal waste of money. These groups have been around since the early 90's. They show up at every summit mtg. I think the government should have scheduled the mtg's at an army base or up in the far north or some isolated place. That would solve the problem of protestors and save the taxpayers a whole lot of money. Its not that anything gets accomplished at these mtg's anyway. I think each country could negotiate individually with other countries and have a much favourable outcome.
My congrats to the police for keeping their cool in the midst of the crap in Toronto. Those that caused the distruction and damage..may they rot in jail. Animals.
Richard in Ontario
@SamWell what do you suppose the poll would say after the hoodlums hijacked the city? Duh! Of course it was a bad place to hold the Summit, better it had been in a World Class city. Not a NIMBY one.
Canada no merece esto, Canada se caracterizo por ser el mejor pais del mundo, no se vale que delincuentes le hagan esto a una gran nacion. meten a la carcel a estos esos delincuentes.
The police are doing a great job. It could have been a lot worse these past two days. Violent "prostesters" are a waste of time and money; You don't get anything solved and you hurt innocent people. Useless.
For those that used violence during the protests, you made Toronto really proud of you!P.S good job causing mayhem to make the government spending more money than they already did. You are very smart!Also bravo throwing your bikes at the police horses, thanks to you many of the horses are forced to be put down due to their injuries.
The anarchists were chanting "billion dollar bullies" to the cop. Well... let me ask a question, why do you think it woud've costed us billions of dollars for security? The answer is right there! To stop people like them from causing trouble!
I use to have respect for ctv news but not anymore. What a bunch of wimps your reporter of the g20 are.!Do they expect that the law does not pertain to them.
There is not a man among them.
What slanted coverage!!! It is obvious that they will do anything to be popular with the demonstraters or will do anything to create news.
I can’t believe the naivety of some of the CP24 and CTV reporters especially with what’s going on at Queen & Spadina now. Yesterday they were asking where were the police when the criminals were on the rampage and now they are shocked and questioning the police when they’ve blocked in the protesters? They are surprised by the number of police?Perhaps they’ve recognised some of the criminals from yesterday are in the crowd? Police should have blocked in the protesters at 2.30pm on Saturday to prevent them backtracking along Queen and probably would have prevented all the damage in our city. The Toronto police have been far too polite and naïve in dealing with these criminals. With all the complaints prior to the Summit and the naivety of the police and media unfortunately it proves Toronto is really not an international city.
For those that used violence during the protests, you made Toronto really proud of you!
P.S good job causing mayhem creating more problems for our city and making our government spending more money than they already did. You are very smart!
Also give yourself a round of applause for throwing your bikes at the police horses, thanks to you many of the horses are forced to be put down due to their injuries. Aren't you very proud of yourself.
Hey R Bear....The police are not arresting innocent people...They have been asking the crowds since 4pm to evacuate...and no one is listening. The media has a pass to differentiate them from the others, but the pass does not mean they dont have to follow the police warnings. They were told before the summit started that they would not be treated differently b/c they were part of the media. EVERYONE just go HOME....your embarrassing us!!! Protests are ridiculous...find a more human way of creating awareness for your cause. I love that people are crying that they are caught in the rain and they are soaking wet...OMG.... the police dont know that you did nothing wrong! You should have left when they asked you to leave.
In response to Haley, What message did you get from the protestors? I got that they were to chicken to stop and denounce these black bloc and that they were amongst them all along. They were kids that problably never worked a day in their life and think they know it all. Some of them even did some of the distuction. I got the message loud and clear that they have nothing better to do. Why did they not go home when they saw what was happening? They could have left and the black bloc would have been left behind for police to pick up and charge.
Richard in Ontario
@Steve, As I read your posts, on this site, I am now convinced your on Drugs or smoking whatever a lot of the protesters would give their right arm for. No, that's not entirely true, the protesters that caused all the damage wouldn't give part of their body, since they are all cowards. Hiding behind masks.
G20 protest what a joke...
I bet it was cosy around the fake lake with all those bonfires burnig, I hope destroying our downtown core was worth it.
And personally I blame the Mayors Office for not looking out for Toronto, The one billon dollars spent on security was for the World Leaders and not the average Torontonian... They didn't care about business or personal safety
just keep them off the fence...
Rediculous... This never should have happened....
I think some of the people on this post with anti all things civil are a few cans short of a six pack. These so called anarchists are nothing more than a bunch of snotty, ring nosed kids barely out of diapers with no idea about anything.
John X. Doe
I feel that our law-enforcers were too lenient yesterday, even after the "Black Bloc" tactic was used by several individuals. On that note, I truly believe that those who used the BB tactic displayed cowardly conduct. What's more is how these individuals displayed their cowardliness, wearing all black to conceal their appearances, then blending into the crowds of peaceful protestors after committing a crime or misdemeanour. It infuriates me how these imbeciles would dare enter our city, and wreak havoc on our infrastructure, create chaos to our door step. My advice to the police: "Throw the book at them, and do whatever means (legally) necessary to punish these 'animals'. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law."
what about the police who went after that boy no question and no phone call and not even water are we back in the olden day what about innocent till proven guilty the police should be held accountable for their actions the boy was going to see his girlfriend.
What happened to being an honest Canadian
Wow. One billion dollars to protect against hippies with rocks. Pretty steep, especially considering that is about what the government spends to keep us in Afganistan for a YEAR. Quite the Canadian long weekend if you ask me.
I will gladly join with like-minded citizens to pay for a few broken windows, if I can be excused from paying my share of the cost of the massive police state mobilization which I do not approve of....
Dave from Dartmouth, NS
I have been watching the Toronto G20 riots the past couple of days. Seems like the police response must have been about right as we have extreme views on both sides, namely that the police response was too aggressive and not aggressive enough. (Define "aggressive" as you will.) It's the old "can't please everybody" scenario.Personally, I believe the police are doing a commendable job under very difficult circumstances. Sure, there were probably some instances of over-reaction but the police are human too and when you feel threatened and outnumbered, you tend to fight back.A number of the comments I've read are quite ludicrous. Several ask why the peaceful protesters didn't take on the vandals. Well, the peaceful protesters are probably not that organized, at least not to respond to the violence. The thugs were obviously spoiling for a fight and normal citizens who have an ounce of sanity are not going to try to intervene and get beaten. Some have even called them cowards. There was also a comment I read about the peaceful protesters cheering on the thugs which tends to lower their credibility in my books.A fair number of people complain that the police didn't abandon their primary task of protecting the G20 summit and run after the vandals. The logical response has been that would have left the G20 open to attack by the violent elements and that the vandalism was an attempt to draw them away. Make no mistake, the violent elements appear to have been relatively well organized so this level of planning is certainly plausible.Finally, we have Mike, the innocent bystander detained. As was pointed out, he glosses over what he did to attract the police.
And so continues the sense of entitlement these buffoons have to protest. And what,exactly,did they gain? Peaceful protests,fine. As for the others,in my opinion you are ignorant and stupid.
Blac Bloc = Under-cover Police AgentsGoogle "agent provocateur G20"There's a reason they let those cop cars burn ...
The people at Queen and Spadina have been boxed in. They are not being let out except under arrest. That's why they are not leaving the intersection, they have been blocked from all sides by riot police. How are they supposed to go home if their exits are being impeded by police lines? Isn't that considered unlawful confinement? A store owner was arrested and charged for such an offense when he caught and held a shoplifter.This is nothing more than police state tactics to harass civilians so they will be afraid to demonstrate in the future.
Dave in Ottawa
Unfortunately the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. In this case, in retrospect they probably showed too much restraint . Hopefully all those arrested will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and maximum sentences applied to those who are guilty. Those who were peacefully demonstrating were unfairly impacted as their generally legitimate messages were totally drowned out in the media by the actions of a bunch of hoodlums. Society should not tolerate this behavior at a G20 Summit any more than they would in our everyday lifeIn Ottawa we had an anarchist firebombing of a neighborhood bank last week. Hopefully seeing what happened in Toronto this weekend will be a lesson to the court to impose the severest possible sentences on those proven guilty.
Constable Dave Woodford could not comment on why people are still being corralled on Queen St.I can tell you why.within this crowd of mostly curious (albeit unfortunate) onlookers were some of the more subversive elements from earlier in the summit.As such everybody around them is being detained and searched.In all probability aside from the inconvenience and sense of helplessness of having their rights summarily stripped, the vast majority will be released without charges.In short, 99% are victimized by the police to identify the 1% that victimized them prior.Ironically, it didn't take a 70 year old Act of law and $1 billion to create this effect...it happens daily here. We call it TAVIS.
What a mess. I spoke with my daughter on the phone and she's one of the hundreds caught in that human corral. She lives in and attends school in the neighborhood and was returning home from a meal with friends. As the CTV reporter said there was no warning from police to disperse. They simply penned them in and have held them there in the rain for hours now. I can't reach her on the phone now so perhaps they have taken her into detention at this point. It's just mind boggling.
I guess these anarchist forgot that the police will be there when they need help. How stupid can these punks be!
I would like to congratulate everyone involved - 20,000 protesters versus 20,000 police & security personnel, yet not a single serious personal injury. This has been a show of democracy at its best, except for the fact that the status quo has not budged....
Reply to Danny re "Danny - In response to Haley..."
Dear Danny, I am delighted to know you have heard the protesters' messages as well, and that you have such intimate knowledge of these protesters' lives that they probably have never worked a day. Thanks again for your insight.
Such a stupid place to hold a summit. Did the organizers learn nothing from what happened in London, Philadelphia or Seattle? They gave the violent protesters a stage to commit their dastardly deeds, and then Miller, Harper, et al act surprised when that's what transpires. A billion taxpayer dollars and counting...Next time try an aircraft carrier or military base.
I feel sorry for the innocent people who have been held up. There better be a good reason that the police are doing this. I am amazed though by the amount of people who are saying they were just watching taking pictures etc and now they are being held up. This was not parade and the added crowds probably made it worse. My heart is with the innocent people who were out and about and got caught in this mess.
To those complaining that the G20 should not have been held in Toronto. Do we not live in Canada? The government should be free to hold events where they see fit without the threat of violence from a bunch of whining imbeciles with nothing better to do. And to those complaining about the peaceful protesters getting arrested, maybe if they'd protested in the designated areas instead of where they were told to stay away from they wouldn't have encountered those problems. Anyone that was out there knew what the potential was, and deserved whatever happened to them.
The one thing that has been really bothering me about the G20 summit is that the officials in charge of the summit completely excluded and denied the Toronto community any opportunity of helping and getting involved in the G20 summit. Further more these officials also shut down the inner-core of Toronto. Toronto is a community that enjoys to get involved in the very events that it is hosting and they denied Toronto that. On a sign close to the Sunnyside beach, the words, "Toronto welcomes the G20 summit" could be seen, but Toronto has done no welcoming nor have they been involved in the actual summit. Militarism does not count,and it is no wonder that Toronto would act so harshly to this summit.
Sarah Sudbury, ON
Did it dawn on anyone, "peaceful protesters" or the rioting idiots that they've probably single handedly added another million dollars to the security budget for these summits. Who's going to pay for the thousands of added police presence in the city over night and on Sunday? How do you think they all got in to the city? Where did they all sleep? Who fed them? How many of them are being paid overtime? Who's going to pay for the clean up? I'm going to guess that the majority of those "protesters" don't hold a job so that leaves .... the taxpayers!...Wasn't the inflated security budget one of the reasons for the protest to begin with?...Great job protesters! ....Thanks for having your voices heard ...Thanks a $1,000,000!