Food Standards Agency: what a carve up

The coalition is wrong to dismember the Food Standards Agency at the time it is needed most

I am sufficiently ancient to wonder sometimes if modern political parties might have a collective memory problem. The last Tory government was bombarded by food crises for a decade – remember salmonella and BSE? It mismanaged these spectacularly at times. Labour's response was to set up the Food Standards Agency (FSA), designed to "create blue water between us and safety difficulties", as one minister told me in 1998. The FSA opened in 2000 and, despite ups and downs, it has performed well, winning trust and irritating and offending all sides equally.

The new government has now decided to dismember the FSA. Its role as public health adviser on nutrition is to be absorbed into the department of health; its role as inspector of farms, food processing plants and so on will revert to Defra. The much diminished FSA will only enforce food safety and hygiene – the least controversial aspect of its current remit. Even the industry agrees such a role is needed.

Even before this dismemberment, what the FSA could achieve was limited. In particular, it was not able to consider the impact on the broader environment – cultural or ecological – when making recommendations to the public about food. The FSA lacked capacity to deal with the environmental implications of defining a sustainable diet, for example. Take the question, should I eat fish? Nutritionists say yes; fish stock analysts say no. To answer that question required the FSA to integrate ecological into nutritional advice. It fudged that one.

The last government had – belatedly – recognised this weakness and was trying to steer the FSA to be lead body on creating integrated advice to consumers. The coalition is ditching this idea. It now would need to turn to three bodies even to start talking to itself!

This matters. Take meat and dairy. They account for a huge proportion of consumers' food footprint. So should the UK cut its meat and dairy consumption? Yes, say health experts and environmentalists; no, say industry interests. Which is it to be? And if we were to cut consumption, where would this leave the upland farmers? Health secretary Andrew Lansley's recent speech to the Faculty of Public Health reiterated the mantra of pursuing "evidence-based policy". Quite right, but what if evidence competes? If the UK is to meet its legal obligations to meet climate change emission targets, this has to be addressed.

Our food system faces huge challenges. Crises loom on the local, national, EU and global level. Not just climate change, or the problems of water, energy, soil management, biodiversity loss and land use competition, but pressing social issues such as labour and skills shortages, food quality problems and price. The pursuit of cheaper food underestimates real costs. Who pays for climate change? Is the real cost of the good water going into that Kenyan green bean included in your checkout bill? And why is it easier to quench your thirst with a sugary soft drink than in a public, free water fountain?

So far there is no sign that the coalition's food policy will address such questions. Lansley has made forays into the territory, first in a regrettable remark attacking Jamie Oliver, and then by suggesting the food industry might like to take over funding of the Change4Life programme, part of an anti-obesity cross-government scheme on whose expert advisory group I sit. Such forays are ideological, not evidence-based. Tackling obesity is like tackling climate change. It requires system change, and cannot be reduced to individual choice.

The good news is that the coalition hasn't so far ditched Defra's Food 2030 strategy, launched in January. Two years in the making, Food 2030 was deceptively simple. It proposed a set of goals for UK food: low carbon, healthy, ethical, affordable. In short, sustainable. This was government at last setting a framework, not just saying "leave it to Tesco".

In opposition, the new coalition partners said: "Fine, but where's the delivery?" And they were right. We desperately need to push the food system in the direction Food 2030 mapped. We can't go on eating as we are – destructive choices (eating more food that has been flown thousands of miles, for example) need to be edited out, and only governments can set the framework. It will require tougher and clearer land use policies. It will require government to be honest with consumers that prices are likely to rise, not least since oil prices are again rising. Twenty-first century industrialised food turns crude oil into calories at every stage – farming's productivity gains all require oil, not just to transport food, but above all to create the fertilisers on which output depends.

A food world post peak oil will be very different. This new government must recognise that. The difficulty is breaking the news to consumers. And that's dangerous political territory.

In that context, carving up the FSA could be seen either as moving deckchairs about on the Titanic, or as clearing the decks for action. Time will tell.

Tim Lang is professor of food policy at City university


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  • flatpackhamster flatpackhamster

    21 Jul 2010, 9:46PM

    You state that the FSA was designed to stop food crises like salmonella and BSE, but it hasn't, has it? There have been multiple examples of these failings. There were the foot and mouth outbreaks in 2001 and 2007 - the 2001 outbreak killed tens of thousands of uninfected livestock, for example.

    I think that a far more serious problem than your 'peak oil low carbon climate change' food is the CAP and its dismal failings. It produces too much of the wrong kinds of food at a higher price without regard to the environment.

  • Johnadolphus Johnadolphus

    21 Jul 2010, 9:46PM

    "A food world post peak oil will be very different"

    The coalition will not be responsible in informing anyone. They will leave it to market forces. After all, nothing serious will happen while they are in office, will it.

  • yepandthattoo yepandthattoo

    21 Jul 2010, 10:08PM

    Even before this dismemberment, what the FSA could achieve was limited. In particular, it was not able to consider the impact on the broader environment – cultural or ecological – when making recommendations to the public about food. The FSA lacked capacity to deal with the environmental implications of defining a sustainable diet, for example. Take the question, should I eat fish? Nutritionists say yes; fish stock analysts say no. To answer that question required the FSA to integrate ecological into nutritional advice. It fudged that one.

    This correlates with pollution in the oceans and sea. Has the level of liquid metal increased sufficiently enough for it to be tolerated by fish but not by humans if eaten too often? Consider fish don't generally live as long as humans. Whales could be a good measure. Many are filter feeders and I guess the tiny fish they eat don't have time to accrue that much metal. Dolphins and sharks could be a better measure for larger fish that live longer. Killer whales also.

    This matters. Take meat and dairy. They account for a huge proportion of consumers' food footprint. So should the UK cut its meat and dairy consumption? Yes, say health experts and environmentalists; no, say industry interests. Which is it to be? And if we were to cut consumption, where would this leave the upland farmers? Health secretary Andrew Lansley's recent speech to the Faculty of Public Health reiterated the mantra of pursuing "evidence-based policy". Quite right, but what if evidence competes? If the UK is to meet its legal obligations to meet climate change emission targets, this has to be addressed.

    Due to differences in wealth people have. It is hard to put a cap on price without discriminating against some. I guess what will repeatedly come up is meat and dairy versus fuel emissions and methane. If people are buying vast amounts of cheap product and becoming bloated on it perhaps HCP (health care professionals) should be asking why.

  • GuardianGoon GuardianGoon

    21 Jul 2010, 10:18PM

    There have been multiple examples of these failings. There were the foot and mouth outbreaks in 2001 and 2007 - the 2001 outbreak killed tens of thousands of uninfected livestock, for example.

    The foot and mouth outbreak was the responsibility of the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Foods and DEFRA. The disease affects livestock weight and milk yields, transmission to humans is very rare. It's not a food standards issue as far as public health is concerned. Your point about the CAP is a good one though.

    I'm quite surprised as to why the Tories are abolishing the FSA, if there is a major food safety crisis during their next term Labour will be all over them.

    I'm a bit puzzled as to the statement by the author, considering he's a professor of food policy that:

    farming's productivity gains all require oil, not just to transport food, but above all to create the fertilisers on which output depends.

    Because to my understanding that isn't true, the haber-bosch process requires energy, not oil, oil is what's used at the moment because it's cheap and it really doesn't use that much of it; about 2% of total energy demand worldwide. Am I wrong in my understanding here? Because if not the fact that Tim Lang as a professor is making such a basic error in his statements is bloody worrying to me.

  • stevehill stevehill

    21 Jul 2010, 10:23PM

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    The FSA is irrelevant and has achieved precisely nothing. Like so many other quangos.

    Its most memorable failure was collapsing in the face of Big Food lobbying for the traffic lights labelling scheme.

    If it can't stand up to these people, it's an expensive flop. Put it out of its misery and move on.

  • nextname nextname

    21 Jul 2010, 10:23PM

    Labour's response was to set up the Food Standards Agency (FSA), designed to "create blue water between us and safety difficulties", as one minister told me in 1998.

    Says it all really. If the FSA was any good, why has it not yet banned trans fats? They are very bad for one's health, and when you consider that they are true frankenstein foods (hydrogen molecules pumped into oil to make it solidify), it's bloody obvious, no study ot not. Loads of people knew they were bad years ago. In any case there have been recent studies which have reached stark conclusions.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/apr/16/trans-fats-ban-uk-food

    I think it's a bit rich criticising the coalition since Labour never did anything about it. Your minister quote reinforces this view. I do actually think that there should be better consideration of what is good food nutritionally and ecologically. However I notice that you gloss over the health implications of diet, so briefly as to almost ignore it. Your main focus is on the environment and peak oil, which is fair enough.

    However how do you square that with this paper's (and the labour party's) notion that we must continue to let loads of immigrants and refugees come to live here for a seeminingly indefinite period of time. I have even heard sermons about "environmental refugees". Surely the real problem is gloabal overpopulation caused by crude oil.

    So are you really saying that as the oil runs out, the UK should increase its population above a level which is already well above what is ecologically sustainable, but the population elsewhere will increase just as quickly anyway, and at the same time the UK will be able to import less food, but must also produce less food at home?

    Surely people here will eventually start to die of hunger or disease at some point in the future? Obviously if there are food shortages then good nutrition will go out of the window.

    But back to the here and now. Why did the food standards agency not ban or curtail unhealthy food, when Labour was in power. I suspect because it had no teeth anyway.

  • GuardianGoon GuardianGoon

    21 Jul 2010, 10:35PM

    Surely people here will eventually start to die of hunger or disease at some point in the future? Obviously if there are food shortages then good nutrition will go out of the window.

    I don't think people will starve, there's a lot of slack in agriculture as I see it, just looking at my food I can see pasta from Italy, cheese from Spain, chillies from Mexico, rice from Thailand, olive oil from Greece and a whole bunch of meat. All these things are potential slack as far as being able to eat enough calories to live is concerned. Unless things get a lot more expensive I don't think anyone in the UK is going to starve in a hurry, we're at the height of indolent luxury with regards to food and there's a long way to come down.

  • Sagittarius Sagittarius

    21 Jul 2010, 10:36PM

    The much diminished FSA will only enforce food safety and hygiene

    Which is what the FSA should actually be doing. The wider questions of what food choices people should be allowed to make, whether our current consumption patterns can be maintained, and what viable options we have are important questions, but should be covered by seperate departments.

    I would not expect, for example, an agency which monitors automobile safety and quality of construction to make decisions onroad building, driving tests or crude oil procurement.

  • Anax Anax

    21 Jul 2010, 10:43PM

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    Tim Lang is professor of food policy at City university.

    No vested interest there, then.

    For your questions on our food supply, these should be answered by politicians, the media and an informed citizenry. Not by administrative empires churning out action plans, schemes, conferences, websites, consultations and all the rest of it at enormous expense.

  • BrownOutNow BrownOutNow

    21 Jul 2010, 10:51PM

    THERE IS NO MONEY LEFT.
    We cannot keep dishing out money willy nilly to every big state dinosaur quango left over from labour,

    A food world post peak oil will be very different. This new government must recognise that.

    I totally agree that food post peak oil will be very different. It's just a shame that the last government didn't appreciate the facts when They opened the doors to our tiny island and invited everyone and their dog to come stay.
    That wasn't such a wise move was it?

  • saturatedlies saturatedlies

    21 Jul 2010, 10:51PM

    The FSA has very little do with food standards. Infact, economist Thomas Sowell released a report recently on how the FSA has actually been taking products off the market - not because their dangerous for human consumption - but because interests have now converged inside this instution to promote certain products at the expense of others, because their personal wealth standards are effected.

  • antipodean1 antipodean1

    21 Jul 2010, 10:58PM

    Sympathetic to your point Tim, but whatever happened to joined-up thinking?

    The FSA seemed like a great idea but it turned out to be yet another bureaucracy that fudged, fudged and fudged again.

    It didnt help organic & sustainable farming at all.

    The biggest issue is agricultural subsidies - 92% of the CAP is simply land area based and takes little account of environment or health. OECD spent $253 billion on farm subsidies in 2009 - 22% of gross farm receipts. This hugely underwrites commodity grain & sugar production which in turn facilitates intensive protein & fat production by factory farms, which encourages obesity diabetes heart disease & cancers to name a few. It is all hugely pollutive and greenhouse gas producing, yet the costs of this cheap food are dumped on the public in the form of taxes and on the environment in terms of degradation.

    Its not surprising that consumers are sceptical that spending £135 million on the FSA makes much difference to anything.

    The coalition agricultural policy seems to have been captured by an industry pressure group embedded in the Conservative Party.

    Carbon Tax would help level the field a bit.

  • orangechoc orangechoc

    21 Jul 2010, 11:19PM

    The Coalition govt doesn't care very much about whether things work or not - and the civil servants that advise them can't remind them because they are all being rotated every 2 years - the only people who remember anything are in universities which are facing massive cuts.

    So I am not surprised that the Coalition govt chooses to reverse EVERYTHING Labour has done in the past 13 years, good or bad just doesn't come into the equation, as they won't know any better and no one around them knows any better. So they would just do what they had always done.

  • SayNoToFearmongers SayNoToFearmongers

    21 Jul 2010, 11:32PM

    @GuardianGoon

    Because if not the fact that Tim Lang as a professor is making such a basic error in his statements is bloody worrying to me

    Most of us who have spent sufficient time in UK academia will recognise that the title 'Professor' is in the majority of cases merely an indicator of political ability.

  • afinch afinch

    22 Jul 2010, 12:39AM

    Oh dear God in heaven, I don't know how the Guardian can print this sort of stuff.

    So should the UK cut its meat and dairy consumption? Yes, say health experts and environmentalists; no, say industry interests. Which is it to be?

    Maybe, just maybe the people of Britain can just work this one out for themselves. Please? Can you let us do that on our own? Are we big boys and girls now?

    And if we were to cut consumption, where would this leave the upland farmers?

    Gosh, yes, we mustn't ever do anything without considering the impact on entire f*cking supply chain must we? If I use my mobile phone less, where will that leave the staff of the Orange call centre, mmm, tricky moral issue, let's have a bloody government committee to help understand the impact of everything on everyone so we can have a giant state planned society. Or is food magically important in this respect?

    Health secretary Andrew Lansley's recent speech to the Faculty of Public Health reiterated the mantra of pursuing "evidence-based policy". Quite right, but what if evidence competes?

    Oh no! That would definitely be too hard for the people of Britain to deal with. I mean, the just couldn't begin to handle conflicting evidence that could they? No, we definitely need a large panel of well paid experts to do that for us. Also, if two local garage's give me different opinions on whether my car needs to CV joints, please can the government Motor Standards Agency publish unambiguous guidelines so I don't have to use my brain? But *please* could they consider the wider cultural context of my car maintenance regime, and the effect on the livelihoods of mechanics?

    If the UK is to meet its legal obligations to meet climate change emission targets, this has to be addressed.

    Oh FFS, it's not even funny any more.

  • 1nn1t 1nn1t

    22 Jul 2010, 12:43AM

    orangechoc
    21 Jul 2010, 11:19PM

    The Coalition govt doesn't care very much about whether things work or not - and the civil servants that advise them can't remind them because they are all being rotated every 2 years - the only people who remember anything are in universities which are facing massive cuts.

    Oh no we aren''t, we've taken the early retirement that was so generously forced upon us by the ever-expanding army of administrators when we insisted on speaking our minds.

  • BaronGrovelville BaronGrovelville

    22 Jul 2010, 12:47AM

    The BSE Inquiry Report Key conclusions:

    BSE has caused a harrowing fatal disease for humans. As we sign this Report the number of people dead and thought to be dying stands at over 80, most of them young. They and their families have suffered terribly. Families all over the UK have been left wondering whether the same fate awaits them.

    A vital industry has been dealt a body blow, inflicting misery on tens of thousands for whom livestock farming is their way of life. They have seen over 170,000 of their animals dying or having to be destroyed, and the precautionary slaughter and destruction within the United Kingdom of very many more.

    BSE developed into an epidemic as a consequence of an intensive farming practice - the recycling of animal protein in ruminant feed. This practice, unchallenged over decades, proved a recipe for disaster.

    In the years up to March 1996 most of those responsible for responding to the challenge posed by BSE emerge with credit. However, there were a number of shortcomings in the way things were done.

    At the heart of the BSE story lie questions of how to handle hazard - a known hazard to cattle and an unknown hazard to humans. The Government took measures to address both hazards. They were sensible measures, but they were not always timely nor adequately implemented and enforced.

    The rigour with which policy measures were implemented for the protection of human health was affected by the belief of many prior to early 1996 that BSE was not a potential threat to human life.

    The Government was anxious to act in the best interests of human and animal health. To this end it sought and followed the advice of independent scientific experts - sometimes when decisions could have been reached more swiftly and satisfactorily within government.

    In dealing with BSE, it was not MAFF's policy to lean in favour of the agricultural producers to the detriment of the consumer.

    At times officials showed a lack of rigour in considering how policy should be turned into practice, to the detriment of the efficacy of the measures taken.

    At times bureaucratic processes resulted in unacceptable delay in giving effect to policy.

    The Government introduced measures to guard against the risk that BSE might be a matter of life and death not merely for cattle but also for humans, but the possibility of a risk to humans was not communicated to the public or to those whose job it was to implement and enforce the precautionary measures.

    The Government did not lie to the public about BSE. It believed that the risks posed by BSE to humans were remote. The Government was preoccupied with preventing an alarmist over-reaction to BSE because it believed that the risk was remote. It is now clear that this campaign of reassurance was a mistake. When on 20 March 1996 the Government announced that BSE had probably been transmitted to humans, the public felt that they had been betrayed. Confidence in government pronouncements about risk was a further casualty of BSE.

    Cases of a new variant of CJD (vCJD) were identified by the CJD Surveillance Unit and the conclusion that they were probably linked to BSE was reached as early as was reasonably possible. The link between BSE and vCJD is now clearly established, though the manner of infection is not clear.

  • forumsfeedback forumsfeedback

    22 Jul 2010, 2:27AM

    When the pressures and deficiencies of Capitalism are so bad for the nations diet it is rather a crime to disband the FSA. People will actually die as a result of this decision. Capitalism bombards the nation with adverts for junk food and drink and it works, the ever rising waist lines are the proof. We need a counterbalance, we need the traffic signals on food packaging, we need healthy food advertising especially to kids.
    Perhaps the FSA could be made self financing by opening a chain of healthy fast food shops as an alternative to Mcdonalds - or can't capitalist companies cope with competition.

  • harrystarks harrystarks

    22 Jul 2010, 7:12AM

    carving up the FSA could be seen either as moving deckchairs about on the Titanic, or as clearing the decks for action

    A key purpose behind the setting up of the FSA was to transfer responsibility at Cabinet level for determining the human health implications of food policy. The BSE fiasco in Britain and the EU became that because Agriculture Ministers and their chief veterinary officers took it upon themselves to rule on what was safe for humans to eat.

    I would hate to see new arrangements which led back to that old confusion. Agriculture Ministers need to be responsible for policy on animal health protection. Where, as in Britain, they are responsible also for policy on protection of the environment, they should be considering also matters such as whether GM crops pose a threat to the environment.

    What they must not be allowed to do is to rule on whether foodstuffs (including GM foods) are a risk to human health. Public health Ministers must be responsible for that, here in Britain and in the rest of the EU. And that must mean having access to scientific advice from sources independent of the agrochemical and food industries.

  • harrystarks harrystarks

    22 Jul 2010, 7:26AM

    The point made by nextname 21 Jul 2010, 10:23PM

    If the FSA was any good, why has it not yet banned trans fats?

    It's worth remembering that a foodstuff placed on the market anywhere within the EU is considered as being placed on the market throughout the EU.

    So any attempt by one member state to ban a particular foodstuff has to be considered and agreed by all member states (through the agency of the European Commission).

    Perhaps the problems that the FSA has faced have had to do with the lobbying powers of the food and agriculture industries in other members states and in the European Parliament.

  • Carliol Carliol

    22 Jul 2010, 7:35AM

    What a hand-wringingly pathtic article.

    Food producers and supermarkets are not bent on poisoning us.

    Free market certification schemes are increasingly common and work perfectly well.

    The FSA - like so much of Labour's legacy - was a budget in search of a role.

    Frankly, I am disappointed the Govt hasn't abolished the FSA completely.

    I could live without "Professors of food policy" too.

  • whatithink whatithink

    22 Jul 2010, 7:51AM

    I'm very disappointed that the government has bottled out of getting rid of the Food Standards Agency. It's a pointless organisation with a massive budget.

    Tim Lang has built a career out of stoking imaginary food panics. If the government does actually feel like saving some money, maybe City University could do without a "Professor of Food Policy"

  • bigsands bigsands

    22 Jul 2010, 8:07AM

    What about Waste?

    So much food is wasted when there is nothing wrong with it. No mention of this in the article and I bet the FSA didn't have any policy on this.

  • flatpackhamster flatpackhamster

    22 Jul 2010, 8:08AM

    antipodean1

    The coalition agricultural policy seems to have been captured by an industry pressure group embedded in the Conservative Party.

    This isn't the case. It's a nonsense. The reality is that Britain has no control over its agricultural policy and has had no control for the better part of two decades. We have no way to change it. It's run by the EU. We can not change policy. We aren't allowed to.

    Carbon Tax would help level the field a bit.

    A tax on an artificial commodity would just distort the market. What's necessary is a rapid dismantling of the CAP. It's due to be renegotiated in 2013 but France will veto it, as they have done every other tie it was to be renegotiated, because of its vested interests.

  • whollymoley whollymoley

    22 Jul 2010, 9:34AM

    afinch

    If I use my mobile phone less, where will that leave the staff of the Orange call centre, mmm, tricky moral issue, let's have a bloody government committee to help understand the impact of everything on everyone so we can have a giant state planned society. Or is food magically important in this respect?

    You will probably find it easier to live without your mobile phone than without food - so yes.

    I mean, the just couldn't begin to handle conflicting evidence that could they?

    To be honest, after the MMR panic and climate change 'scandal', not to mention the nonsense I hear when people discuss scientific topics - no, people are not good at handling conflicting scientific evidence.

  • whollymoley whollymoley

    22 Jul 2010, 9:36AM

    Carliol

    Food producers and supermarkets are not bent on poisoning us.

    Congratulations on missing the point - who cares if it's murder or manslaughter - you're stil dead.

    Free market certification schemes are increasingly common and work perfectly well.

    Examples?

  • whatithink whatithink

    22 Jul 2010, 9:41AM

    @whollymoley

    That is jaw-dropping. So you've never heard of the Soil Association, or the BRC, or the Red Tractor? Why on earth are you commenting on a threat about the food industry? There are dozens if not hundreds of certification schemes, familiar to everyone who eats food. Except you, apparently.

  • Carliol Carliol

    22 Jul 2010, 9:42AM

    @ wholeymoley

    Food producers and supermarkets are not bent on poisoning us.

    Congratulations on missing the point - who cares if it's murder or manslaughter - you're stil dead.

    You are missing the point. Consumers and shops are perfectly capable of maintaining food standards without being overseen by a bureacracy.

    Why would Sainsbury's or Morrisons not want to ensure that their food is safe?

    Why would consumers go to a store with a reputation for food poisoning.

    I know it's difficult for the left to go out into the big wide world without a state official to nanny them, but others manage just fine as adults in a free country.

    Free market certification schemes are increasingly common and work perfectly well.

    Examples?

    The Marine Stewarship Council, for example.

    Actually, most brand names are free-market certifcation schemes. When you pick up a Penguin, have a kit-Kat, or have Mars a day, do you have any concerns about their safety. I mean really, do you?

  • heroflight heroflight

    22 Jul 2010, 9:43AM

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  • sinisterfootwear sinisterfootwear

    22 Jul 2010, 9:54AM

    @BrownOutNow 'THERE IS NO MONEY LEFT.
    We cannot keep dishing out money willy nilly to every big state dinosaur quango left over from labour'.

    Oh but there's plenty of money out there if you know where to look for it. 'Tough but fair' deficit reduction could be achieved by tackling the more than £100 billion of taxes lost each year because of abuse of loopholes in the tax system, tax bills remaining unpaid and from illegal non-payment of tax. Tough on the rich and fair for the rest of us.

    It wasn’t government spending that caused this crisis: it was finance that caused this crisis. And there is no electoral mandate for any party to impose cuts of the scale and type now proposed.

    Make those that caused the deficit pay for it. As the Financial Times’ Martin Wolf has pointed out, cuts ‘will be viewed as punishment of the innocent for the sins not just of the guilty, but of the rescued and now bonus receiving guilty’. Tax can do the exact opposite: those w

  • helenwallace helenwallace

    22 Jul 2010, 10:06AM

    Collective memory problem?
    Change4Life already had all the big food companies as partners when it was set up by the previous government: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jul/23/advertising.television1
    Why should taxpayers subsidise this stuff?
    Devolving public health responsibilities to local authorities with a ring-fenced budget (as proposed in the NHS White Paper) could provide an opportunity for more sustainable local food procurement and healthy eating. Why not lobby for a sufficient budget to fund this well? There could be lots of opportunities for British farmers and small businesses to help tackle health inqualities and inner city 'food deserts'. Much better than expecting Nestle and Kraft to do it.
    Look at what's already happening at Manchester Food Futures for a good example:
    http://www.foodfutures.info/site/

  • MorganaLeFay MorganaLeFay

    22 Jul 2010, 10:32AM

    The Food Standards Agency may have been brought to life with the best intentions but, as is so often the case with such bodies, the FSA soon got into the cog machine that is the balancing act betweenthe wishes of the general public and those of, in this case, the food (agro)-industry, which makes them just another body who can't be fully trusted. So why prolong the agony?

  • aaardvark11 aaardvark11

    22 Jul 2010, 10:44AM

    @heroflight

    Tim Lang has made a fortune out food scares and has contributed nothing positive to the food culture in this country .

    Care to back any of that up with some facts?

  • GuardianGoon GuardianGoon

    22 Jul 2010, 10:48AM

    You are missing the point. Consumers and shops are perfectly capable of maintaining food standards without being overseen by a bureacracy.

    Why would Sainsbury's or Morrisons not want to ensure that their food is safe?

    Why would consumers go to a store with a reputation for food poisoning.

    If the cost of the poisoning outweighs the liabilities, or the liabilities are hard to prove and long-term (like obesity) then there is a profit motive to lax safety standards that is not taken care of by the market and should be adressed by regulation.

  • drprl drprl

    22 Jul 2010, 11:00AM

    GuardianGoon

    the haber-bosch process requires energy, not oil

    Up to a point. The HB process needs hydrogen; and currently that is made by reforming a mixture of natural gas ( ie very light oil ) and steam. In principle any fossil fuel could be used but you would get more CO2. If electricity were too cheap to meter you could electrolyse water. Also the HB process needs energy for the high pressures needed.

  • StevenL StevenL

    22 Jul 2010, 11:08AM

    Surely people here will eventually start to die of hunger or disease at some point in the future?

    That's what usually happens when the government tries to control the food supply through central planning isn't it?

  • StevenL StevenL

    22 Jul 2010, 11:13AM

    So any attempt by one member state to ban a particular foodstuff has to be considered and agreed by all member states

    Wrong, there is a treaty exemption for public health. France unilaterally managed to ban Red Bull (taurine) for 12 years and had their decision to do so supported by the ECJ.

  • harrystarks harrystarks

    22 Jul 2010, 11:41AM

    @StevenL 22 Jul 2010, 11:13AM

    there is a treaty exemption for public health

    You're right of course that a member state can argue for a unilateral ban on the grounds of maintaining a high level of human health protection. But that member state will have to share the evidence base for its action with the Commission and the other member states.

    If the Commission accepts that a case is made it will propose EU-wide measures. If it does not accept the case the member state's actions can be challenged in the ECJ. The presumption should be that EU action is preferable to unilateral action. The Commission is rightly suspicious that individual member states may claim human health protection as the reason for banning a product when really it is concerned about protecting its own industry.

  • antipodean1 antipodean1

    22 Jul 2010, 12:12PM

    @flatpackhampster

    antipodean1

    The coalition agricultural policy seems to have been captured by an industry pressure group embedded in the Conservative Party.

    This isn't the case. It's a nonsense. The reality is that Britain has no control over its agricultural policy and has had no control for the better part of two decades. We have no way to change it. It's run by the EU. We can not change policy. We aren't allowed to.

    Actually individual governments within the EU have significant freedom to decide how to subsidize farmers within an overall mandated framework.
    DEFRA seems to have decided to exterminate badgers in defiance of respected scientific evidence in order to placate the red neck farmer lobby, and the Environment Secretary Caroline Spelman has previously worked for the NFU, been Deputy Director of the European Beet Growers Federation and owns a biotechnology lobbying firm. Seems like comprehensive regulatory capture has been effected by the industry.

    Carbon Tax would help level the field a bit.

    A tax on an artificial commodity would just distort the market.

    I should have been more precise and referred to a Greenhouse Gas Tax.
    Then it would have been clear that I was referring to real pollutants rather than
    artificial commodities. Nitrous Oxides from fertilisers and methane from livestock are far more potent greenhouse gasses than CO2, and on the other hand farming has the potential to sequester carbon through trees, minimum tillage and organic farming methods. Accurate pricing of externalities is the opposite of distorting the market.

    What's necessary is a rapid dismantling of the CAP. It's due to be renegotiated in 2013 but France will veto it, as they have done every other tie it was to be renegotiated, because of its vested interests.

    I do have sympathy with that view but its only the 92% of area based payments which need dismantling. The remaining 8% of subsidies which pay directly for environmental protection,support sustainable farming systems, provide public access and enhance biodiversity do have fantastic potential to be expanded in a progressive & positive way.
    There's no point unduly aggravating farmers, both carrot and stick could be more constructively employed to get the clean green environment we deserve.
    Theres no need to get all flagwaving and nationalist about it.
    Pan European action is vital.

  • WheatFromChaff WheatFromChaff

    22 Jul 2010, 12:14PM

    The much diminished FSA will only enforce food safety and hygiene

    So - it is not being abolished at all then. It is simply being restricted to doing what most people thought it was for anyway and losing its power to nag and hector us into eating what it wants us to eat ...

    The pursuit of cheaper food underestimates real costs. Who pays for climate change? Is the real cost of the good water going into that Kenyan green bean included in your checkout bill?

    ... and to lobby for food prices to be increased as part of this nagging and hectoring process?

    And this power is being "carved" away by the coalition?

    How shocking!

  • texaspete82 texaspete82

    22 Jul 2010, 1:49PM

    @carliol

    You are right that food producers have no wish to poison us, but they have no wish not to either.

    In deciding the appropriate level of 'poison' in food they will consider their private costs and benefits.

    Benefits of 'poison' may be that it is cheaper and les hygenic production practices can be used.

    Costs of 'poison' is negative PR if people find out about the 'poison', affecting sales, and the risk of Government regulation. They would also consider the costs of legal action. Short tenure of managers may also lead them to downplay the risks to medium-term profitability of allowing poisons in food.

    Self-regulating food producers will choose the level of poison so there is no marginal benefit to them of reducing it. They will also work hard to prevent research into levels of poisons in food and ttheir effect on human health, producing faux research 'proving' lack of harm and lobby Government hard to prevent regulation.

    This is unlikely to be the same as the social optimum, where the level of poison is such that the costs of reducing it outweight the benefits to the health of consumers.

    Corporate social responsibility and self-regulation is a poor way of protecting consumer interest as all corporations have a legal duty to their shareholders to behave in this way - profit maximising by weighing up the private costs and benefits. Experience in every industry proves that the interests of consumers are ignored in decision-making and considered only indirectly via negative PR and legal costs if things go wrong

  • Agent3244 Agent3244

    22 Jul 2010, 2:28PM

    Tim,
    the crises we face and those that you illuminate in your piece really reduce down to crises of capital. Progress in addressing matters is likely to be very stilted until such times as it can be widely appreciated just what constitutes crises of capital arise and how they arise.

    'Capital', it's associations, and the consequence of it's misuse are very difficult terms and notions to discuss. History has conspired that people have become divided by ideology and entrenchment in conviction that has resulted in divergence of opinion and belief that is difficult to resolve. Raise the term 'capital', or attempt to illustrate how its' crises arise, and loaded terminology immediately springs to mind - words or thoughts along the lines of 'capitalism',' communism', 'Marxism', 'anti-capitalist' etc. These are terms that have resulted in divergence of opinion rather than convergence to good sense. It helps to approach matters with an open mind.

    'Capital' need not be such an emotive term. Nature has its 'capitals'. Energy (solar mostly), fertility and water conspire to create a thin veneer of life upon a soggy rock that orbits the solar system. For a large part 'Food' is the currency within the great ecology of life that cycles energy and nutrients.
    When the story began there was no veneer of life. It would take millions, if not a billion or more, years of geologic erosion to mineralise the primordial soup to create conditions conducive to the very origin of self replicating molecules. When life took hold, the Earth became an accumulator of energy, combining mineral capital with solar capital to accumulate life, diversity, and the detritus of life, in short, 'biomass'. Diversity, the major transitions and leaps in the evolution of life relied upon the status of the accumulation of biomass. There is no sense evolving roots and investing in becoming a plant until there is adequate detritus in which to set those roots, and likewise what chance would a herbivore have in a world without plants? Diversity is an important 'capital' to an omnivore and generalist (us). 'Food' is the 'currency', here.

    Taking the long view of human evolution ours is a species that has evolved to its' current incarnation by making incrementally better and more 'economical' use of the currency of 'food'. As a currency food has its' limitations. It is at best adequate, but sometimes unreliable, in supply, and is fleeting (highly perishable). Prior to the age of agrarianism the attributes of its' currency' determined the behaviour, practices and social strategies, of our species. Within a given troupe the evolved collaborative and social aspects of human behaviour could combine with an evolving human knowledge economy, increased capacity for pre-consumptive processing, and the capacity to harness fire to give this naked and upright ape substantial advantage over rival species. All this without 'money'.

    The transition to agrarianism marks a significant transition in the behavioral evolution of the modern human. Agrarianism made innovative use of a 'novel' group of plants, 'cereals'. Cereals were a 'novel' introduction to the diet of humans (botanically novel) and the attributes of cereals were novel compared to the attributes of the (plant) foods upon which our ancestors were heavily dependent. (paleo and meat arguments aside). Cereals are considerably less perishable than foods that prevailed before. In the absence of money, 'food' is still the 'currency' of life but the attributes of that currency began to change. Agrarianism delivered productivity gains. Food would become 'plentiful' and 'enduring' (comparatively). Within the synergies of productivity gains, division of labour and the opportunities for trade afforded by surplus and durability of cereal crops, lie the very origins of our evolving modern economy and the currency of its transactions, 'money'.

    The attributes of 'money' are that it is 'scarce' and 'enduring'. How scarce? Our notes carry the signature of the Chief Cashier of the Bank of England, Andrew Bailey, and the declaration, "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of ..." To the bearer the Ten Pound note is an asset, but to the bank of England it is a liability. Liabilities negate assets. That's how scarce!
    The attributes of 'money' (scarce and enduring) combined with usury conspire to create competition between people and hoarding. But the hoarding of 'money' or assets can only result in a proliferation of liabilities elsewhere. It is a vicious circle that can only put people in competition with, and at odds with, fellow humans including neighbors.
    Profit is usury by another name. For the food industry 'process' is profit. The food industry (and for that matter the pharmaceuticals industry) is the result of of the aggregation and accumulation of (monetary) 'capital' seeking to re-engage with the economy for profitable return. If you know your nutrition, pick the bones out of the rest.

    Kind regards.

  • Moosed Moosed

    22 Jul 2010, 2:29PM

    Surely people here will eventually start to die of hunger or disease at some point in the future?

    That's what usually happens when the government tries to control the food supply through central planning isn't it?

    As proven by the millions that died of starvation in the UK during and after world war 2.

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