Toribash is a turn-based strategy/fighting game hybrid that does a lot of interesting things. It's been around for a while as a free Mac/PC game, but it was only recently that the game hit consoles. The big difference is, the game costs $10 on WiiWare. If you're like me, you expect that $10 to go towards something. With Cave Story (another free PC game gone for-profit on WiiWare), we got redrawn graphics, re-worked music, two new difficulty modes, and a load of other bonus features.
With Toribash, we don't.
Is there enough here to validate a $10 purchase? Hit the jump to find out.
Toribash (WiiWare) Developer: Nabi Studios Publisher: Nabi Studios Released: July 12, 2010 MSRP: 1,000 Wii Points
Toribash is weird stuff. The whole game is based around controlled chaos; an equal mix of strategy and luck. Have you ever imagined yourself in a fight? It's different from a real fight. In a real fight, everything is happening so fast that you barely get to think. If you know how to fight at all, muscle memory will take over and your body will end up reacting before your brain has a chance to. If you don't know how to fight, well, your brain will probably try to give you some ideas on how to defend yourself as you get broken in multiple places. If you're sitting around thinking about what to do next, chances are you've left yourself wide open and are already getting your butt kicked.
The same goes for most fighting games. Sit and think too long, and you'll let your guard down. If your opponent knows what they're doing (or even if they don't) that may be it for you. It's this "no time to think" thing that makes Toribash different. There's tons of time to think in this game. It's like fighting in slow motion. You can really take your time and plan out exactly how you want to attack. Actually, you have to take your time and plan things out. Even throwing a basic punch is a three-to-four step process.
The goal here is to knock your opponent down, and/or rip off one of their limbs before they do the same to you. The game asks you to take control over each individual muscle group of the human body; pecs, shoulders, elbows, hips, glutes, the whole thing. Each body part is like an individual unit in your average turn-based time strategy game. You have to position them in just the right way to get anything down. For instance, "sternum back, left pec back, right pec forward, right elbow back" in turn one, and sternum back, left pec back, right pec forward, right elbow forward) in turn two should result in a right jab.
In most modes, you get about twenty seconds to position your body parts the way you want to. As you're doing that, you're opponent is doing the same. As you position your parts, you'll see a little shadow of your character that shows you where your current set of commands will send your body in the next turn. That helps you to predict what your next move will be, but there is no way of predicting what your opponent will do. Throw in a healthy dose of rag doll physics, and you should get what I mean by "controlled chaos".
It's pretty exciting to play a fighting games that feels this different. Just about every fighting game I've played since Karate Champ has been some variation of Street Fighter, Virtual Fighter, or Super Smash Bros. . Not so with Toribash. Playing the game has given me a whole new perspective on fighting games, and fighting in general. In Toribash, even scoring the most basic of attacks feels like a huge victory.
In that way, this is one of the most realistic fighting games ever made. You really need to learn how to fight from scratch. Nothing is spoon-fed to you. That makes the learning curve here atrocious. Get ready to not do anything right for at least your first three matches. At first it's a little frustrating, but it makes it all the more satisfying when you eventually master some awesome attacks, just like in real fighting. Also like real fighting, there is no ceiling on how good you can get at the game. Even if you suck at the game, the violence is still really fun to watch. Decapitations and limb detachments are commonplace, but thanks to the game's abstract visuals, they're never disturbing. There are also a fair amount of character customization options in the game, just like in the Mac/PC version.
In a lot of ways, this is the exact same game you can play for free on the Mac/PC. Just like with the free version, the game is really meant to be played online, and the online here is smooth and reliable. You don't really have to worry about lag in a turn based game like this, so slow wireless connections shouldn't be a problem. The graphics look a little sharper on the Wii, and there is a little more music from what I can tell. All the various rule sets from the Mac/PC version are here as well (sumo, akido, etc), so that's nice.
Unfortunately, it goes downhill from there.
Maybe I haven't played the game enough. Maybe in a week I'll find that there is a lot more to this WiiWare port than I can see. If so, I'll fix this review immediately. For now, I can tell you that there really aren't any additional features to this $10 adaptation of a free game.
One thing I can say for sure is that the controls are worse. On the Mac/PC, you can select your body parts with the mouse, and control the camera with the keyboard. On WiiWare, you select body parts and control the camera with the nunchuck's analog stick. It's a mystifyingly bad decision. The Wii remote's IR functionality is arguably the closest you can get to mouse-style controls on home consoles. Why Nabi studios elected to map body part selection to the slower, clunkier, more confusing analog stick is beyond me. If you haven't played the game on the Mac/PC, you might not notice the difference, but if you're a fan of the original game, this purchasable port feels like a real downgrade.
Because this is on the Wii, there are no online lobbies to join. The game automatically matches you with another player. For me, that's not a big deal. A random match is a random match, lobbies or not. I know a lot of you out there feel differently though, so I thought I'd mention it. The port also lacks all the mods available on the Mac/PC, though that may change over time. The Wii modding scene is capable of a lot of incredible stuff.
The only thing that I prefer about the Wii version of the game is that it allows for local multi-player. That's something that's strangely lacking from the Mac/PC build. It's not enough to warrant a $10 purchase, but it's something.
So yeah, this is awkward. I really like Toribash, but given that it's a downgraded port of a free game, I'm not sure how to score it. It's a really interesting experience no matter what platform you play it on, but there is no denying that it sucks to pay $10 for game that is arguably better and free of charge on Mac/PC. Then again, I can't assume that just because you're reading this, you even have a Mac/PC. A lot of you could be reading this on your Wii, or PS3, or iPhone, or any of those other newfangled doodads you kids are so fond of these days.
I guess I'll say this -- if you have a Mac/PC that's powerful enough to run Toribash, subtract two points from the following score, and get rid of that "download it!" tag. For everyone else, the game gets a...
Score: 7.5- Good (7s are solid games that definitely have an audience. Might lack replay value, could be too short or there are some hard-to-ignore faults, but the experience is fun.)
Imho, Toribash is an interesting deconstruction of a fighting videogame, but also one of the most boring things i've ever played.
As you said, the learning curve is atrocious; even if you actually have enough time to spend on it. Of course, if you think of it as a Strategy Game instead of a Fighting game (which is the right decision), you can endure a lot more.
The graphics could have given a little more style to this difficult concept, but on the contrary, it makes it look dull and unfinished.
My subjective score: 2/10 - HATE IT
My "objective" score: 5/10 - Interesting, but not worth it.
Not that anyone cares XD but this game was REALLY interesting to get angry at.
after watching three minutes of video, i still don't have a clue as to what the point of this game is. also, thank you for putting more effort into your reviews on dl titles, your efforts show.
Toribash is a difficult game to get into indeed, once you get your head around it though it's tons of fun manipulating the character to do triple backflips and such, though yeah I'll stick to my pc version :)
I'll be honest, I don't get it. I don't claim to be a marital artist, but it was always my understanding that flashy, multi-mega hit combos like this were the exact opposite of what marital arts really are. (Since when did a light kick to the shin, followed by pulling of the shoulder result in someone's head falling off?)
Hey dude, are there any SAMBO or AIKIDO mode servers on the wii version? This would be, in acse it's renamed, a mode with higher gravity, difficult dismemberment, varying turn lengths starting shot (10frames) and progressively getting longer to 50frames, and a disqualifying ring out box.
If it is, THAT shit is where the tactical play is at. The game is unbelievably deep when it comes to jockying position for a perfect throw/takedown, kindof random when it comes to sahttering guys into a million pieces.
I've been interested in this game for a while, and was going to eventually get it for wii, but if it's available for free on pc in a better version, I might do that. At any rate, definitely have to try it out now.
@Holyetheline, it's a strange game, so you won't get it? That's the reason you're picking? I'm not getting it because of the bad controls and the fact that I already have it for free.... But because it's strange? That's just strange.
@ Suprore- I'm pretty sure that all the modes from the Mac/PC version are in there, but I wont be able to check for a little while. Let a friend borrow my Wii so they could check out Toribash.
Definitely a fun game to get sunk into on the PC/Mac. Sounds like a good call on this review. Not having IR control is baffling, and conceptually makes it a no buy for me. So much quick clicking is needed for impressive play!
Might still pick this up... but no rush, I guess. :(
I'll stick with the Mac/PC version. It's free, and it's pretty much the same. Admittedly, the Wii version does look shinier, but extra shiny isn't enough to justify the extra coin. Beating the hell out of Uke is so very satisfying. :V
To give you some idea of the learning curve, I've played for two years and I still kinda suck. That being said, the community is awesome, the multiplayer is entertaining, if anything else, and watching what people who are actually good can do is amazing.
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