Reading Originals February 25
In my view one of the most glaring indictments of the way philosophy and other humanities are taught and practiced is the senseless insistence on reading original works by the great masters. This is most apparent in the continued consumption of Plato, Hobbes, Aristotle and the like in philosophy but can be equally well be seen in the reverance for Chaucer, Shakespeare or other literary classics. To my horror this reverence for the original works is even being promoted in economics. So even though I gave a short reply in the comments at overcoming bias when this issue came up I’ve been meaning to discuss the question in more detail.
For the moment I’d like to set aside the issue of literature for another post and focus on subjects like philosophy and economics where (at least in theory) the aim is to genuinely progress towards a (more) accurate/useful understanding. Since I find it genuienly perplexing why one would ever feel the need to read the originals rather than the digested and improved material found in modern expositions as one does in math of physics I’ll quote Tyler Cowen’s justifications for returning to the original thinkers. Obviously these don’t represent every possible justification but they are the best justifications I’ve ever heard.
First though I’d like to be perfectly clear that the issue under consideration is whether there is some pedagogical benefit to reading original thinkers as opposed to modern summaries (of either the original thinker or simply the current state of the discipline). There is no accounting for taste so if you simply have some Plato fetish or like the way reading Plato makes you feel sophisticated you might find it more enjoyable to read Plato rather than more modern work just as someone else might prefer to have their philosophical arguments interspersed in Harry Potter slash. Also if your interest is in original historical research then influential works are a reasonable thing to read1 but again the question at hand is the benefit of reading original works by great thinkers to the advancement of the discipline itself not it’s history or the practitioners feelings of sophistication. With this point clear let’s examine what Tyler Cowen has to say point by point.
1. Secondary sources are unreliable and they do not capture or understand many of the original insights. To remove it from the distant past, what I get from John Rawls or Robert Nozick is quite distinct from what I get from their distillers.
So what? The standard isn’t whether a latter distillation captures the exact content but whether it’s a more effective way to gain understanding. Reading a modern calculus book is extremely different from reading the original Newton. Newton’s notions of infinitesimals and fluxions have been excisced wholesale and replaced with the modern notions of limits and epsilon-delta proofs and that’s a huge improvement in the ability of calculus books to convey understanding.
2. Truly great thinkers require numerous distillers. Can you read just one book on Keynes? No. So you have to read a few. Shouldn’t one of these then be Keynes himself? Yes.
This presupposes the goal is to understand what Keynes thought. Keynes was a brilliant economist but he was just as human as the rest of us and some of his ideas were simply confused or poorly thought out. The benefit of later distillers is to transmit the insights while avoiding the confusions, so no, one of these shouldn’t be Keynes himself.
I mean imagine Keynes was really a highlander and was still alive and at the height of his intellectual powers. Who would it be more beneficial to read the 1936 Keynes or the 2010 Keynes who has used the intervening years to excise the confused parts of The General Theory and find more lucid explanations of the key insights? Surely it’s the 2010 Keynes who would (likely) provide the better explanation (if you disagree would you go back to his half-assembled notes? Further?). Yet surely if Keynes could improve on his own work than (as the goal is to convey economic ideas not Keynes personal beliefs) surely others could as well, especially when the benefit from the collaboration and exchange of ideas provided the academic discipline.
3. The errors of top thinkers are often more interesting and instructive than their successes. Distillers have a hard time capturing these errors and their fruitfulness.
But that’s the wrong comparison. The right comparison is whether it’s more useful to build upon the work of past greats and digest this new material including the mistakes made by those who have built upon the great thinkers of the past than to spend time digesting the errors of the past. Obviously if it was costless one would read every book on the subject but the key question question is would the time spent exploring the errors made by Keynes be better spent exploring later work that builds upon his insights.. The reason it’s so tempting to advocate reading originals is that we don’t properly take into account the opportunity costs incurred reading those originals.
Moreover, given that there is only so much time for students (or professors) to devote to learning a subject either one must give up totally on the idea of making progress or admit that it’s sometimes more effective to substitute modern materials for some works of great thinkers. Hence this argument either proves too much (progress is impossible because it’s always better to learn from the mistakes of past great thinkers) or proves nothing at all since we continuously make beneficial trade offs of replacing originals with more modern works.
4. We often read great thinkers not to learn what they understood but also to set our minds racing and to find interesting new questions. Great thinkers are usually better at supplying this service than are their distillers.
Again this assumes that the job of the distiller is to summarize the original author. A good analysis book doesn’t summarize Newton it digests his insights and presents them as part of a grander theory. Reading a modern analysis book does a much better job a posing interesting new questions than does reading Newton.[^empirial]
Moreover, I suggest this is largely a placebo effect. One is told that the reading great thinkers in the original is particularly inspiring so we search for questions to inspire us. We would probably do equally well if told that Joyce’s Ulysses conveyed deep economic questions. If you doubt this consider the stunningly large number of people who, despite not being religious, claim to derive deep moral messages and insights from the bible despite it’s blatant encouragement of genocide, rape, and every other kind of brutality imaginable.
5. Sometimes the value is in having read common sources and benefiting from the commonality per se. Great thinkers are usually more focal than any of their distillers and thus reading them is a good input for discussions with others.
OFten this is simply false as influential textbooks and articles are often just as widely read. More importantly by virtue of the novelty of their ideas original thinkers are usually lacking in clarity meaning the same work is usually interpreted in a host of different ways.. However, even if true this argues for more canonical books. In mathematics this issue is solved by the publication of various yellow books that provide a common base for everyone to use as a reference and there is no reason not to do the same for other subjects.
6. Original sources often help you challenge or reexamine your world view or intellectual ethos. Distillers very often pander to that world view, while pretending to challenge you.
Given their status as influential originals the content in these works has largely been either incorporated into your modern world view or people have developed standard objections. I know my world view (or even philosophical position) has never been threatened by the original work of an past great thinker but often it’s been shaken by a new argument or idea from a modern source.
7. Consider a simple comparison. You can read either Adam Smith’s two major books or any ten or even twenty books on him, toss in articles if you wish. It’s a no-brainer which you should choose.
Right, neither. Who the hell cares what some dude named Adam Smith thought. Given the choice between reading a modern economic textbook and any of Adam Smith’s books I know which one I would choose and it’s the same thing we always choose for undergraduates.
8. The best distillers often are original sources in their own right (and in part unreliable expositors), such as in Charles Taylor’s excellent book on Hegel.
Again the false dichotomy. Instead of trying to find out what Hegel said we should be finding out what is true (which in the case of Hegel will involve simply ignoring him).
9. Distillation works best in very exact sciences, such as physics and mathematics. If you rely on distillation for an inexact science, you will do best at capturing its exact parts. You will be left with a systematic bias, and knowledge gap, regarding its inexact parts.
So it’s only when you can’t actually go out and check whether going back to read the original works by great thinkers that it’s beneficial? That’s awful suspicious
Stepping back for a moment I would point out the fact that there are many different mutually contradictory disciplines of theology (every major world religion has one). Thus regardless of your religious views (and especially if you are an atheist) you must admit that there are academic disciplines which are totally bullshit. Now I would point out that in virtually all instances of theological study the original work of prior influential (but not prophets or otherwise supernaturally gifted) theologians is regarded as similarly important to read in the original.
Hence, we must all admit there are situations where academic disciplines are convinced of the important of reading influential past thinkers in the original despite even though it provides no actual benefit. Conversely in all those disciplines where we have reliable quantatative measurements of progress (with the obvious exception of history) returning to the original works of past great thinkers is decidedly unhelpful. Therefore at the very least anyone who wishes to claim that reading past great thinkers in the original (be it Plato, Keynes, Aristotle or whomever) has a substantial argumentative burden to meet and until they do the assumption should be against spending time doing so.
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Though here the most influential mistranslations and confused interpretations are the more important objects of study rather than more accurate modern reconstructions and translations. ↩
Have some sympathy for me then as a sociology grad student at the university of chicago.
Ohh, I do. One of the reasons I feel so strongly about this issue is that my dad kept talking up UofC’s great books program (or whatever it’s called) the whole time I was growing up and kept hoping I would go there for undergrad or grad school (I didn’t go there for either). Anyway that’s one of the reasons this attitude has become a pet peeve of mine.
I was directed here from Lesswrong and I basically agree with you.
I would add that in law school, many classes require you to waste a lot of time reading old cases in order to learn one little point of law.
Fortunately, most law students learn pretty quickly that you can buy commercial outlines which summarize the important cases in easy-to-read English.
Not a law student, so I may be way off in this.. but would the point of making you read old cases not be so much about reading the old case and learning about its specifics as much as to train you to break down a case and find that ‘one little point of law’ for cases you’d be pleading as a lawyer?
If that’s true, a distillation would not serve the purpose – since you’re not likely to find a distillation of a current case available or useful…
Also law at least has the explicit norm of deferring to old influential stuff just because it’s old and influential.
Physics doesn’t care if the great physicist Pauling said something was true. The court cares a great deal if the prior esteemed members of their court (or better yet a superior court) have said something.
Thank you for this piece of clarity in a world of madness…
If this was the most read blog post of all time, I’d be a happy man.
It’s useful for a while but brings diminishing returns.
Reading great thinkers might also be useful if it gives you a glimpse at not just what their thoughts were but also how they had their thoughts. It’s not useful to know that some greek philosopher thought men had more teeth than women, but it’s useful to know that he was dumb enough to think that.
BTW if you had a traceback section this would probably be in it: http://lesswrong.com/lw/1ul/for_progress_to_be_by_accumulation_and_not_by/
Yah, sorry I got lazy with the template.
I’m essentially in agreement with you. I’m reminded of creationists who attempt to refute evolution by looking for flaws and holes in Darwin’s work, blissfully ignorant of the fact that they’ve been fixed in the intervening 150 years.
But there are a few instances where returning to the originals has some utility. I went to the U of C as an undergrad and experienced the whole great books thing. The value of reading, say, Kant in a general education context is not learning what Kant thought–learning particular facts has limited utility–but in learning how to think, how to understand difficult material, and to be skeptical and critical of what you read.
Second, the picture is quite different when your goal is not to learn what’s already known but to do new research. I’m a grad student in math, clearly a field that benefits enormously from distillation and simplification of work, but when doing research it’s almost always necessary to return to the original papers except for the oldest, best-understood topics. Understanding the entire history of thought on some topic is quite useful in this case. For example, the original proof of a theorem may be long and convoluted, but the paper may contain useful nuggets about how the authors actually came up with their proof or half-baked conjectures and ideas that are needed to move forward.
Of course it has value. Reading the little comments some undergrad left in the margins of the critique has some utility as well. Maybe reading “Kant’s so gay… I hate this fag,” will spark an important philosophical thought about the role of sexuality in metaphysics. It’s surely more likely to produce useful thought than if you literally did nothing (ceased to think) during that time.
That’s not the question. The question is whether it’s a better use of your time than reading something else. Personally I don’t think offensive margin notes by an undergrad make the cut and I would continue to think so even if they happened to give me a great idea once.
The problem here is you directly observe the ideas you got reading Kant while the ideas you might have had reading some modern philosopher during the same time are much less salient to you since you can’t point to them.
I agree with what you say and I certainly wouldn’t read Adam Smith to learn economics. Instead I read him for the alternative reasons you suggest. His writing style makes his books a pleasure to read and leave me wondering if he might have made a good novelist. He is also worth reading if you are curious about whether he deserves the praise and vitriol that is heaped upon him in approximately equal quantities and also if you are curious about the times in which he wrote.
But I definitely wouldn’t recommend reading him to learn economics. You can gain a better knowledge of the subject more quickly by picking up any modern economics textbook.
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Looking at your argument as a piece of argumentation, I would say you have presented a successfully organized essay. But it seems to me that you really do understand the importance of reading original writers.
To belabor the point, you argued well and I am sure you will revisit the classics, or at least check them out of the library and scan them as needed.
One of the really fun things about going back to the hoary old original sources is the fascinating side thoughts that have been overlooked by the “distillers”.
I had occasion recently to read “The Theory of Moral Sentiments” by Adam Smith. This wildly popular work predates his famous book by 20 years. The time span between the two books covers the Watt steam engine and the American Revolution. Reading the older book is like a visit to the “modern mind” while the secondary science of Economics was solidifying out of the churning components of the Enlightenment.
So I say, feel free to ignore the distillers anytime.
Look I don’t have any beef with people finding it fun to read the originals. I might want to enjoy myself reading some scifi story while you enjoy the experience of reading the original Adam Smith. Great! But that’s just a matter of taste. Just because you have fun reading a certain book doesn’t mean other people will. The question is whether it’s a good way to learn about the subjects these original works made their major contributions to.
I don’t doubt that reading Smith is a better way to learn about what the historical person thought or what it was like to invent these economic concepts than reading a modern economist. However, that’s not why people think Smith’s work is great. Few people would think it important to read Smith if he’d been a crackpot with totally crazy theories even if he’d had the same subjective experience of developing them and was equally good at capturing the sense of the times. What I’m arguing against is the idea that it’s useful to read Adam Smith to be good at economics.
Again I don’t doubt that Smith’s work inspires all sorts of interesting side thoughts. However, so too do modern economic papers. The question is whether reading Smith actually inspires so many more interesting thoughts than the same time spent reading modern economic texts that it makes up for all the misguided notions, false starts, and incomplete presentation that always plague the first description of novel work.
One reason I think many people falsely believe the great originals have these superior properties is that in school they are exposed only to great originals and modern textbooks so the great originals are the only things they read that present original research, and grapple with unsolved questions. But that’s a consequence of this fetishization of the originals not a necessary situation.
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