Argentina developing satellite launcher; ready by 2013 in Puerto Belgarno
Argentina is in the process of developing a satellite launcher which could become operational in three years time, making it the sixth country in the world with that capacity, according to a Sunday edition report in La Nacion.
“With the needed resources, we estimate that by 2013 we could be launching the first space vehicle”, said Conrado Varotto, CEO of Argentina’s National Committee of Space Activities, Conae.
The project is being developed by hundreds of Conae engineers and researchers.
“We estimate that a vehicle as the one we are planning could cost a fourth of what it would cost anywhere else. It’s obvious that it is convenient for the country, because I can have it when I need it and it also opens a line of research and know-how in which we can continue to advance”, said Varotto.
The Argentine launcher could put in orbit satellites weighing between 250 and 400 kilos under the LEO orbit (which is between 200 and 1.200 kilometres).
“Regarding the booster, at the moment we are quite advanced with the first prototype with an engine that has 30.000 kilos take off push. Probably the first launcher will be a combination of three of them”, added Varotto
Conae CEO pointed out that the fuel, engines, structure and navigation system for the rocket launcher are being developed in Argentina.
The launching pad would be in Puerto Belgrano, where there’s a huge military compound. Argentina currently has three families of satellites to monitor the Earth: SAC, Saocom and SAR. SAC has instruments which work optically and/or with passive microwaves; Saocom, active microwaves and radars and SARE, for specific applications in orbits which are of specific interest for Argentina and help map segments of the targets, working under the so called dynamic cluster.
“This new concept helps with immediate response. Currently if we need a satellite in orbit for a specific mission, we appeal to the so called ‘monolithic’ which means that by the time it is designed and put into orbit, six years can go by. If something goes wrong when in orbit, it’s lost and if technological advances occur, you can’t replace the obsolete pieces. However with ‘small’ or ‘pieces’ of satellites each with different functions and duties, we can somehow overcome the setbacks and delays”, said Varotto.
“Hopefully in 2013, we can begin applying this technique once we make the first launching”.
The six countries with launching satellite systems are Ukraine/Russia, China, Japan, France/EU, India and the US.
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Not bad at all....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comisi%C3%B3n_Nacional_de_Investigaciones_Espaciales
www.imdb.com/title/tt0482603/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alc%C3%A2ntara_Launch_Center
As usual, Argentina is way behind.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
Captured aircraft
After the Argentine surrender eleven Pucarás (four of them in flying condition) were captured by British forces. Six were taken back to the United Kingdom, as follows:
A-515 (ZD485) – Royal Air Force Museum Cosford.[9]
A-517 – Privately owned. Possibly shipped to the Channel Islands.[10]
A-522 (8768M) – North East Aircraft Museum (on loan from the Fleet Air Arm Museum, Yeovilton).[11]
A-528 (8769M) – Norfolk and Suffolk Aviation Museum (on loan from Museum of Army Flying, Middle Wallop).[12]
A-533 (ZD486) – Boscombe Down Aviation Collection (Cockpit Section only).[13]
A-549 (ZD487) – Imperial War Museum Duxford.[14]
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You are already in Afghanistan. Great job!!!
“It's penny pinching and an insult to the young men who are going to Afghanistan and risking and losing their lives.”
“It's disgusting the way they are treating these young soldiers”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5849377/RAF-helicopter-built-using-half-of-chinook-captured-in-Falklands.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alc%C3%A2ntara_Launch_Center
As usual, Argentina is way behind.
“Argentina is way behind” ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡??????¿¿¿¿¿¿
look this 1969 we launch a monke. not Brazil.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV9fMsXW9FA
Waste not want not,and thanks for the chinook
as Brazil have this spaceport, the country hasn t the technology for launching satellites, just “sondas” to ionosphere. But you are very near, it s probable that Brazil speed up the program in order not “to be overshadowed” by Argentina.
Nevertheless there is a lot of cooperation in aerospace area between our two countries, best tech for analyzing satellites is there. First launcher seems to work from here...unless MUCH MORE cooperation between BOTH optimize resources.
Brazil has been very zealous of his enormous advances in aerospatial research, that has put the country a little...err...closed to sharing info.
Argentina has reassumed a lot of old research and put it to work PEACEFULLY.
Very interesting advances at Córdoba, Buenos Aires and Bariloche.
A bit underscheduled and slighty overspended, but it s not a piece of cake as a Concord :-)
Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
after all we dont want to show you up, in your hour of glory,
Doesn't look that way briton...
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
However, across latinamerica, there are many abandoned carcasses from grandiose and pompous projects that ended up becoming huge white elephants of little or null value and at the expense of the people's money.
I'd said that money is probably better if invested in more and better schools and universities.
A practical, usefull project that already is yielding results...Not a “white elephant”
Originally a ballistic missils military project converted to civilian use in the 80-90's.
Full open co-operation with all relevant actors across the world....
In short.... A good project.....
No a vanity project and a white elephant.
The limited satellite launcher market is already saturated, what it doesn't need is another launcher based on outdated technology. Good luck if you can make it work but at least be honest about it.
I sincerely hope this project yields the expected results for the argentinian people and for the region as a whole. I hope it delivers high paid jobs, transfer of technologies, etc.
I question who the clients might be when the launcher is finished. The fastest growing market of satellites is Asia and they have plenty of launching sites and companies with proven technologies all over asia, in China, India, South Korea, etc., Nortamerica has plenty of launching capabilites, highly efficient. Nobody beats the russians and chinese when it comes to price for launching a satellite.
Who are the customers? Paraguay? Uruguay? Excuse me for asking.
I am not sure a country can achieve first world status simply by pursuing space technologies when it lacks fundamental structural reforms to modernize its economy, education, roads infraestructure, etc.
Britain may not have a satellite launcher but that's simply because it does not need it, it has 20 or 25 satellites in orbit and that's enough for the them because the US has some 430 or so and they provide Britain with all kinds of services, as they do with Canada and other nations.
toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Puerto_Belgrano¶ms=38_53_13_S_62_05_52_W_source:eswiki
Unless you're planning a polar orbit, which is rare, you ideally want a launch site close to the equator. That is why ESA built Kourou in French Guiana.
toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Guiana_Space_Centre¶ms=5_14_14_N_52_45_38_W_region:GF
Why would anyone want to build a space launch centre that far south?
And I've always felt the same about this great country, and I am certain eventually they will find the way to the greatness they've always aspired to. in my opinion they've always been a great nation and need not demonstrate anything to anyone.
May be because they are broke. itwww.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
Viva Argentina y Malvinas! Viva Mexico y Monterey!
Tell me how this one is different?
Now I also happen to like Argentina, its people but I have little respect for its Government or its bureaucracy. I can't see it fixing itself whilst it remains inward looking and blaming outsiders.
Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when
Its the Falkland Islands Government that is exploiting its oil resources.
Its the Falkland Islands that will benefit.
You could have been part of it, your Government pulled out for reasons of local political convenience and now Argentina is missing out and squealing.
Again you claim you're missing out, you could have been a contender if only.
Should, woulda, coulda, its a song that could have been writtent for Argentina.
How can a bunch of European immigrants hiding in a Spanish colony, that subjugated the indigenous people be so spiteful and vindictive about a small island community. Why would they indoctrinate their children with such crap and teach them to hate a small island people so much?
And why Marco, are you so brain washed that you go to such extraordinary lengths to avoid the uncomfortable truth? If a nation signs a treaty that settles existing differences, how can one issue remain unresolved? Why are you so afraid of the answer?
Why? Because the house of cards comes tumbling down and the reason Argentina is in the shit is because its broken and you have to fix it. Better to blame it on someone else and be a virtual Internet warrior spitting out hate and racist filth, crowing about Britain's economics issues forgetting your own.
Its pathetic.
Racist? Ah ok, I see who are u talking about?
“In the process which followed, which was that of the forced expulsion of the population of the Chagos from the islands, the islanders were offered no recourse to self-determination. Dispossesed of their homes and their means of livelihood, the democratic choice offered to the Chagossians was to become slum-dwellers on the Mauritius mainland. For the inconvenience of having to accommodate these refugees, the government of Maurituis was compensated with the princely sum of three million pounds.
Like the Falklanders, the Chagossians were approximately two thousand in number. Unlike the Falklanders, they were dark skinned and not of British ancestry”
Do you see a Union Flag, YES
Malvinas Argentinas
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
And it will be in serious and responsible hands.
Not managed by drunk napoleonic apprentices or fascists “iron ladies”.
Also the islands are not occupied they choose to be British(i'm trying to get that message through to you). The Military base is for the Islanders protection from any aggressor such as argentina.
@avargas, the Americans used the atomic bomb to save lives. yes tens of thousands were killed, but it saved the lives of millions. The invasion of Japan would have caused the deaths of at least 1 million Americans alone. But then you have to add the possible Japanese deaths and also the other allied countries such as Russia and the commonwealth.
on another point if your country even threatens the UK with a nuclear strike(even though argentina does not have nuclear weapons), your country would not exist, because you forget that we at least have one of these on patrol what can hit anywhere in the world at any time.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpmhAF6_YE
I have the frecuent temptation of answering bruttish (vgr=the british portion of thugs) how many forms of being aggresive we could use now or in the future 20 years if we want to be nasty without nukes or WMD...but:
we are not actually trying, not threatening of trying and hope that will remain the same...the only warmongering had yet been said by your politicians.
Expect that UK gov remains smarter that the bravados here. As your ambassador has put it, there is still some hope of common sense.
Argentina's 150 year occupation has to come ot an end, one way or another, patience is a virtue not a weakness, the fakland island company's days are numbered.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
so the can be a COLONY of ARGENTINA , empire building.
pot calling the kettle black comes to mind,
Why are you so recalcitrant ignorant, you and your countrymen criticise my country from the place you are standing, however you ignore a lot of issues.
Regarding peron, i recognize that he was demagogue and authoritarian, beside hes presidence was almost a dictatorship, but no one can deny all the great achievements that hes gov. made for the workers.
About our protectionism, i can understand that economic liberalism worked very weel in europe and usa, but for latin nations, it was a disaster, it only become our nations unequaler than what they were before, now we have a protectionist state that gives full support to the small and big enterprises, through the found of sustainable development, wich create more and more jobs, and it gives also a great help for poor familys, that's why now the 90% of our children have a social protection, anyway there is so much to do yet, we are a very unequal society.
Maybe the day that you have a plural information about my country, you can open your mind, my country is not switzerland or norway or finland, but it's not neather a country that does not progress like many morons who have bad faith in this forum like to say all the time.
This articule is one more show of the progress of my country, in spite of the seriosu problems that we have yet.
yes, because this will help your undertained and useless troops. Do you really thik the US will allow another nation in its backyard to have nukes? goodluck.
Ignorant as usuall, your bad faith is really evident, we have nuclear development since more than 55 years ago, but we dont have any wish of creating nuclear weapons or something like that, we only use it for medical care, and industrial development.
On the other hand, i ought you an answer since a couple of days ago.
If you think that what you see in the newspaers, or on line, or on tv, about the reality of the world, that only shows how ignorant and inocent you are, the press does not inform, it misinforms, it's only funtional to their economic interests, all the press omits information, that's why it's allways necesary to read diferent point s of view, that's the main reason i read mercopress, and i can confirm once and again how little and reduced is your knowleadge about the reality of our country.
I can't say for example if the sitaution in the u.k. is good or bad, because i only know about it through what the media says, you know much more than me about the situation of your country, because you live there, that's why the day that you have plural information, you can open your mind, and have an ample view of the situation of my country.
Open your own mind.
“economic liberalism” worked for some industries not for others. It was a disaster for the auto, steel and shipbuilding industries for example, they were caught in a trap of restrictive practises and Government protectionism. As a result they were uncompetitive and went the way of the dinosaur.
You're making exactly the same mistake, what makes you think that it will be any different. Peron's protectionism made your industry uncompetitive, the Kirschner are doing exactly the same. Peron was a disaster for Argentina, which everyone outside of Argentina can see but god forbid you criticise the man in Argentina. You're a perfect example of that.
I see you adopt the same policy as your compatriots of dismissing any contrary opinion as “ignorant”.
And no the article doesn't show Argentine progression. It shows you're stuck in the same time warp of grand projects that cost the earth and don't lead anywhere.
Who are you going to sell the launches to?
How are you going to overcome basic problems like the launch site is too far South?
How can you compete with the Russians or Chinese whose launchers are dirt cheap?
Basic questions no answers.
And you claim to read different POV, clearly you don't.
Rockhopper says latest Falklands well is dry hole.
Reuters / by Sarah Young
Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:49am EDT
LONDON Aug 18 (Reuters) - British oil explorer Rockhopper (RKH.L) said on Wednesday the latest well to be drilled in the Falkland Islands as part of a controversial exploration programme was found to be a dry hole.
Oil exploration in the islands off the coast of South America has sparked protests from Argentina, which claims the British territory.
The drilling of Rockhopper's Ernest prospect was being closely watched after the Sea Lion well, drilled by the company in the same basin in May, made a significant oil discovery, sending Rockhopper's shares soaring by over 500 percent.
The company will now move to carry out further tests on the Sea Lion discovery to help it plan a potential appraisal campaign, Moody said.
Ernest reached its target depth of 2240 metres with initial logs confirming that no hydrocarbons had been encountered, said Rockhopper.“
Sam Moody will pretty soon have to show the public some documents about this ”incredible” 60 billion barrel Sea Lion fund.......Think says...
“How can you compete with the Russians or Chinese whose launchers are dirt cheap?”
The same way as we did wit nuclear reactors we won the sale of one to Australia (Your former client) among offers from UK, Canada, USA, Germany and France.
And about the Auto-makers stuff you are absolute wrong in Europe Germany, Italy, France and Spain have competitive car maker industries and they have always protected them. The same had done US all the time (federal loan so many times and recent bailouts).
On the other hand you have Britain and the Neocon policy and all Brits automakers collapsed and now are owned by foreigner companies like TATA, etc.
Production in UK is something more than 1 million cars at year in Argentina is near 700.000 in the near future your production will be little than Argentina with a market of 50% bigger and close to the huge market that is EU.
UK economy system only produces industrial relocation elsewhere and astronomical debt.
UK owes to the world USD 10 trillions and has an internal debt of 1t more.
I don’t see how someone from UKI can lecture others about economy when UK in going burst any time soon.
You live in fantasyland that’s all reality will hit very hard when the party will be over.
The day Argentina settles its debts rather than going into default you maybe in a position to lecture on economics. UK pays its debts and always has.
I note you failed to address the fundamental point that simple geography is not in your favour.
The ludicrous example of selling nuclear reactors does not address the issue of how you will compete with a cheap established product.
You fail to understand that the auto industries you quoted as examples are in the main the ones worst affected by the economic downturn.
Please go outside and play and let the grown ups talk.
Oh god they even sold a Nuclear reactor to Australia! Man the longboats lads the countries going to Shit!!
Kindergarden economics is Nicodumes (his youtube alias) specialty (my daddy builds more cars than your daddy etc etc).
“So a countries greatness is measured in how many cars they make”
Yes among other things like electrical power consuption, oil, phones, communication, infrastructure, etc.
@fredbdc
There is not such thing as US, or Italy, or France, or whatever owners.
Multinationals don’t belong to any country as their owners are worldwide with some exceptions.
Anyway I don’t know all owners but Cristiano Ratazzi (Argentinean and President of FIAT auto Argentina) is the song of Susanna Agnielli, which is sister of Gianni Agnielli and the granddaughter of Giovanni Angelli founder of FIAT (Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino). The holding also owns Ferrari, Maserati, Ducato, IVECO, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Gilera, etc. long list here
And also CNH, New Holland (American), FIAT Hitachi (American), Case IH (American)
Steyr (American/Austrian), Kobelco (American), CN Capital (American), long list here too.
And part of GM, General Motors (American), Chryler (American), etc.
IVECO also bought part of Ford motor European operations in Britain and Part to the Germans Daimler AG.
So lets say that a big part of the US car industry belongs to the same family lets say Agnielli, Germans, etc.
Car is an European invention GErman/French and still uses the old technology of internal combustion engine invented by Germans
Can you tell me please where are your own companies and technology mate?
May be you thing that car is an Yank invention but not Henry Ford only introduced the line production stuff in car assembly what is another thing.
Almost all your tech stuff have been invented elsewhere or stolen from countries like Germany. But this is another long story for 2000 chars.
A couple of things to mention. Firstly, I don't recall you, and others, being so keen on your current definition of a multinational company when you were talking about BP.
Then there is the small matter of the internal combustion engine and the car. In 1807 the Swiss inventor François Isaac de Rivaz designed his own 'internal combustion engine' and used it to develop the world's first vehicle, albeit rudimentary, to be powered by such an engine.
But it depends what you mean by the car. See, the first self-propelled road vehicle (automobile) was invented in 1801 by Richard Trevithick, a British inventor.
I am still wondering if it is possible to mount a nuclear warhead on a space rocket ? it will be good to have a nuclear defence program in Argentina, including some tactical warheads to trades with UK's former enemy's, we being under occupation for over 150 years, it's about time we break the umbilcal cord, pleace ignorant people refrain from any political charade and answer the question, is it possible to mount a nuclear war head on to a space rocket ??
how hard can it be ?
www.ied.info/books/economic-democracy
Nico, British made technology is a long list.
From the electric motor, lawnmowers, trains, lightbulbs, jet engines, sewing machines, a little thing called the industrial revolution which changed the entire face of the world, submarines, steam engines, television,umbrellas vaccume cleaner, the aircraft carrier, microphones, the computer, Fire extinguishers, batterys, flushing toilets, electric toasters, laughing gass, anaesthetic , stun grenades(sas), Torpedos, sniper rifles, machine gun, sonar, films, DNA fingerprinting, electro magnet, splitting the atom, the Theory of Evolution, underground railway system, traffic lights, hovercraft, VTOL(harrier jump jet), commercial jet airliners, football,rugby, rugby, tennis, badminton, boxing, darts, table tennis, ping pong, bowls, polo, gas masks, plastic, police, carbonated drinks, rubber baloons, nature reserves, silicone, steel, canals, telephones, MRI body scanner, clones, golf, cycling, The hypodermic syringe.
All british inventions.Not stolen, nico.
Ok you want a game of top trumps?
Argentina/UK
Communication.
Telephone lines: 9.631 million/33.209 million
Mobile phone ownership: 46.509 million/75.565 million
Internet Usage: 11.212 million/56.755 million
Broadband Usage: 2.7 million/51.442 million
Internet hosts:4.906 million/9.322 million
wifi users: limited no statistics available/43.566 million
Public Wifi Hotpsots: limited no statistics available/37.789 million-note includes most transport hubs, 99% of all Universities most towns have at least 1 access point.
Electrical power.
consumption: 99.21 billion kWh/345.8 billion kWh
Production: 109.5 billion kWh/368.6 billion kWh
Exportation: 2.628 billion kWh/1.272 billion kWh
Importation: 10.28 billion kWh/12.29 billion kWh
Infrastructure.
Roads: 231,374 km/398,366 km
Paved: 69,412 km/398,366 km
Unpaved: 161,962 km/N/A
Airports: 1,130/ 506
Paved: 156/307
Unpaved: 974/199
Railways: 31,409 km/ 16,454 km
Merchant Marine: 46/ 518
Ports: 7/16
oil:
Consumption: 622,000 bbl/day/1.669 million bbl/day
Production: 796,300 bbl/day/1.502 million bbl/day
Exportation: 314,400 bbl/day/1.602 million bbl/day
Importation: 52,290 bbl/day/1.651 million bbl/day
Proven reserves: 2.616 billion bbl/3.41 billion bbl
hmm slight disparity in the figures there? we must be greater than you then :)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
electric motor, yes
lawnmowers, yes
trains, no (German called wagonways 1550)
lightbulbs, no (American 1879 by Thomas Alva Edison) patent 223,898
jet engines no, (German 1930 by Hans von Ohain) base on an old concept “Gas Turbine” (Invented in 1903 in Norway by Egidius Elling).
Traffic light no (American 1912 in Salt Lake City) you try with a gas lamp for railways signal an exploded.
Et, etc inaccurate info, lets say that most of what you say British inventions are questionable, someone else invention or stolen make your own research.
@Rhaurie
As usual old crappy. In 2007 a survey carryout by Billionaire Carlos Slim owner of a telecommunication empire worldwide concluded that mobile phone penetration in Argentina was 90% bigger than US at the moment.
Today figure overpass 60 million mobile phone lines actives so in proportion is bigger than Britain as you have 50% more population.
Internet penetration according with Prince and Cooke consulting is more than 60% in Argentina what means more of 24 millions. And in 2008 users were 20m.
50% of the content in the Spanish world including Spain is produced in Argentina.
And 11 from 15 most visited sites are Argentina based.
Not mention about Energy, Electricity consumption and other stuff you have taken from CIA fact book or Wiki more of this is from the ‘90 2001, 2005, etc.
About your oil fine lets see in your 2015 next oil crunch crisis you are already going back to coal, haha.
Funny Rhaurie you are a comedian i’m sure of that.
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