Pat Robertson: Islam isn’t a religion; treat Muslims like fascists

By Daniel Tencer
Tuesday, November 10th, 2009 -- 11:58 am
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Conservative commentators are ratcheting up anti-Muslim rhetoric in the wake of last week's Fort Hood massacre, with televangelist Pat Robertson leading the way with a declaration that Islam is "not a religion," but a "political system" bent on destroying all the world's governments.

In a commentary on his show, The 700 Club, Robertson noted that the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre, Nidal Malik Hasan, had come to the attention of authorities prior to the rampage by emailing a radical cleric and trying to contact Al Qaeda.

"Nobody wanted to go after him because of political correctness," Robertson said on Monday. "We just don't talk about somebody's quote 'religion,' even if the religion involved beheading infidels and pouring boiling oil down their throats."

Robertson said Islam should be treated like a fringe political movement.

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"If we don't stop covering up what Islam is ... Islam is a violent -- I was going to say religion, but it's not a religion, it's a political system, it's a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and world domination," Robertson said. "You're dealing with not a religion, you're dealing with a political system, and I think we should treat it as such, and treat its adherents as such as we would members of the communist party, members of some fascist group."

Robertson pointed the finger of blame at the US military, suggesting that the families of the 12 killed and 30 wounded have a strong case for suing the Pentagon.

"Those in the Army should be held to account for the fact they let this man loose," Robertson said.

This is not the first time that Robertson has aired controversial views about an act of violence on American soil. In 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, Robertson agreed with fellow preacher Jerry Falwell that the attacks were God's punishment for the US allowing abortion and homosexuality.

"I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America ... I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen," Falwell said, to which Robertson replied: "I totally concur."

Both evangelists issued apologies for their statements later.

ORLY TAITZ: 'BLIND OBEDIENCE' TO MILITARY CAUSED FORT HOOD MASSACRE

But Robertson's theme this week -- that the military is to blame for not preventing the massacre -- has been echoed by numerous right-wing pundits. As David Weigel reported at the Washington Independent, "birther" lawyer Orly Taitz is arguing that the Fort Hood massacre is evidence that soldiers should be allowed to disobey orders.

Taitz is the lawyer who has spearheaded a number of largely unsuccessful lawsuits challenging Barack Obama's legitimacy as president on the argument that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States. She was behind the release of the now-discredited "Kenyan birth certificate" for the president.

In an appeal of a federal court's decision to dismiss one of her lawsuits, Taitz wrote:

Recent terrorist incident at Fort Hood has given this question paramount importance. This order has advocated blind obedience by the members of the military. If someone were to have common sense, brains and strength of character to challenge allegiance of Nidal Malik Hasan in court, after he made numerous anti-American and antimilitary statements, maybe 12 young boys wouldn’t be 6 feet under today, maybe 12 mothers and 12 fathers wouldn’t had their hearts ripped out of their chests and torn apart.

And the author of a recent book claiming that the US's largest Muslim advocacy group is trying to plant "spies" on Capitol Hill now says the Fort Hood massacre proves it's time for a "backlash" against Muslims.

In an interview with FamilySecurityMatters.org, Dave Gaubatz, co-author of Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Seeking to Islamize America, said it's time to make a "bonfire" out of the terrorist materials he says are circulating in mosques.

"This was not an isolated incident," Gaubatz told the Web site:

Maj. Hasan (allegedly) did what he was taught. Politicians, Muslims, and law enforcement are concerned about a 'backlash' against Muslims. Now is the time for a professional and legal backlash against the Muslim Brotherhood and their leaders. ... If Muslims do not want a backlash, then I would recommend a “house cleaning.” Stack every Saudi, al Qaeda, Pakistani, Taliban, Hamas, and Muslim Brotherhood piece of material from their mosque and have a bonfire. Tell the American, Jewish, and Muslim community this hatred will no longer be allowed in their mosques.

Last month, four Republican House representatives called for an investigation into claims in Gaubatz's book that the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the largest Muslim advocacy group in Washington, is trying to use the congressional intern program as a way to plant "Muslim spies" on Capitol Hill. That notion was met with derision and ridicule from CAIR, which said that Gaubatz used his son to steal private documents from the group, and that the documents showed nothing more than typical lobbying activities by CAIR.

On Monday, a federal judge ordered Gaubatz to remove some of the 12,000 pages of CAIR documents he had posted to his Web site. The judge supported CAIR's claims that the documents were "unlawfully obtained."

The following video was broadcast on The 700 Club, November 9, 2009, and uploaded to the Web by MediaMatters.

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Comments to “Pat Robertson: Islam isn’t a religion; treat Muslims like fascists”

  1. nader paul kucinich gravel

    Homeland Gestapo Police State
    Likud Joe Lieberman and Bibi
    Backlash Neocon AIPAC
    Projection much?


  2. alverant

    “If we don't stop covering up what Christianity is … Christianity is a violent — I was going to say religion, but it's not a religion, it's a political system, it's a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and world domination,” Robertson said. “You're dealing with not a religion, you're dealing with a political system, and I think we should treat it as such, and treat its adherents as such as we would members of the communist party, members of some fascist group.”

    There you go Pat, fixed it for you.


  3. thx1138a

    .
    People are tired of permanent war, and the hits to the economy just keep on coming. So the MIC needs to give the sheeple something to get mad about. Time to demonize Al-Qaeda some more.

    Most people now see Iraq and Afghanistan and huge mistakes, and ones that are costing them jobs and livelihoods. Military deaths “over there” don't count for much anymore. Gotta start killing some of our noble military here at home just to get a rise from the rethuglican base.

    And there's no better place than Texas for a good ol' Gulf of Tonkin type Special Operation to kill and mame some of our brave boys and girls using a Hun named Hasan, no less. (When you've got a black, liberal, President wavering about sending more MIC dough and fodder bodies to Afghanistan, sometimes the commander in chief needs a little nudge from the oligarchs just to demonstrate who's really running things around here.)
    .


  4. m3t

    Considering religion is a psychological illness of indoctinated delusion, saying Islam isn't a religion should be considered a compliment to Islam.

    As for Pat Robertson… I guess to him a true religion is one that engages in Crusades, drags the world into dark ages and has a history of sadism and molestation.

    Someone really needs to tell Pat about Gilgamesh (Noah's Ark), Mithra (25th December, Sunday day of rest, etc.) and about the stories told by ancients cultures that attributed personalities to celestial bodies so that the knowledge of the stars movements and relationships could be taught down through the generations.

    Christianity is a re-hash of stories and symbolism that predate it by many years, the similarities are too strong and too many to be mere coincidence and anyone objectively investigating this can see this easily.

    Christianity is as fraudulent as any other religion… they are ALL bullshit.


  5. ignatzfattis

    Rorertson has been working towards making Christianity a political system for decades. He's just jealous of Islam's success at it.


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  7. doolindalton

    Pat….you are a hypocrite


  8. chabuka

    Got some news for you Pat…all religions were made up by somebody, as a way to control the thoughts and actions of the masses….(especially the baser instincts of mankind, like killing charlatans like you)……including your precious Christianity…later some greedy, self-righteous people like you also discovered it was a wonderful way to convince people to give you their money, and to keep Government from taking any of your money through taxes


  9. mcc

    what about judge not unless you are without sin? love your enemy? The bottom line is religion with its high priest, church and rules creates sepration. then of course we have all these people in this country whos income depends on war….. its a little crazy to say the least. Only when we set the example of harmlessness will we be free…


  10. winski

    Pat Robertson is NOT a preacher or an evangelist or a man of faith or any of those seemingly 'wonderful' thinks..Pat Robertson is a scam artist like the drifters of old. Just like Oral Roberts, Ernest Ansley and all the other flim-flam men that came before him… He only spews what his handlers tell him to spew and what will bring money in from the stupid that week. Good luck with this piece of crap on your side…you're doomed for sure….doomed to get cheated.


  11. roy_T

    Notice where the start button on the Pat Robinson Video is located. It is right across his mouth, right where it belongs.


  12. damixaustex

    “Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up” –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

    “You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war …” Pat Robertson, on Hugo Chavez

    “We have enough votes to run the country. And when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we are going to take over.” — Pat Robertson, speech given to the April, 1980 “Washington for Jesus” rally, quoted from Robert Boston, The Most Dangerous Man in America, p. 29 (reposted from positiveatheism.org)

    Indeed, Mr. Robertson, fringe religions should be controlled.


  13. Scuby

    Orly Taitz says ” If someone were to have common sense, brains and strength of character to challenge allegiance of Nidal Malik Hasan in court, after he made numerous anti-American and antimilitary statements, maybe 12 young boys wouldn’t be 6 feet under today”

    Well Ms. Taitz….let me just change the words just a tad, and see if you agree or disagree??

    ” If someone were to have common sense, brains and strength of character to challenge allegiance of George Bush and Dick Cheney in court, after they made numerous illegal and knucklehead decisons sending us into Iraq, maybe 4000+ young boys and 100,000+ Iraqis wouldn’t be 6 feet under today”


  14. comineredeg

    Correct, Judiasm, Islam, Hinduism are more than just religions, they are actually. “ways of life” with full-fledged laws, punishments & political systems in addition to religious worship. Christianity & Buddhism only can be considered religions.


  15. yoshimum

    One does one thing have to do with the other?


  16. yoshimum

    I see you are blaming the jews again.
    Do you ever post on ANY thread without jew bashing?


  17. alverant

    No war in Iraq, fewer shell shocked soldiers killing themselves and/or others. Are the dots that hard to connect?


  18. Hercules

    9/11 was the work of Muslim Brotherhood and American rightwing fascists. Investigate the rightwingers who allowed Muslim Brotherhood agents into the country and then did nothing when they attacked us.


  19. [...] If we don’t stop covering up what Islam is … Islam is a violent — I was going to say religion, but it’s not a religion, it’s a political system, it’s a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and world domination,” Robertson said. “You’re dealing with not a religion, you’re dealing with a political system, and I think we should treat it as such, and treat its adherents as such as we would members of the communist party, members of some fascist group. via rawstory.com [...]


  20. asiliveandbreathe

    Orly Taitz has a venomous hate of all blacks and muslims. She is the sickest racist and fully support eradication of non whites from the planet.


  21. pitbullstew

    Maybe we can get Robertson to keep his fat yap shut as the new kid on the block compared to the hisorical perspective of the rest of the religions of the world since that wacko lunatic fringe he represents blossomed like a mushroom in the dark on a turd?


  22. matticusfinch

    See im not mad or worried about this anti muslim shit coming from the elite brainwashing networks or from fake christians like Pat Robertson, Its to be expected.

    Im mad and worried because unfortunately the massive amounts of IGNORANT SHEEPLE that populate this once great nation WILL ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THIS NONSENSE because they unfortunately do not have brains to think for themselves as too much TV has rotten their critial thinking capacity.

    I wish Jesus Christ would come back and kick the shit out of all these fake christians. They hijacked his message, painted him white and they obviously no nothing about Jesus because HE IS THE MOST QUOTED PROPHET IN THE QURAN!

    I also find the blantant hypocrasy overwhelming! key passage;

    “Recent terrorist incident at Fort Hood has given this question paramount importance. This order has advocated blind obedience by the members of the military. If someone were to have common sense, brains and strength of character to challenge allegiance of Nidal Malik Hasan in court, after he made numerous anti-American and antimilitary statements, maybe 12 young boys wouldn’t be 6 feet under today, maybe 12 mothers and 12 fathers wouldn’t had their hearts ripped out of their chests and torn apart.”

    No, Oily Taintz, they would have probably just died later in a desert 3000 miles away from their family in an unconstitutional, illegal OCCUPATION, not war. OR they would be injured and come back to Walter Reed and the DEFUNDED VA!!

    GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK, these talking head propagandists dont give two shits about the soldiers thats why we are still in this 8 year old war of illegal agression. its seems the mantra is “go die there in the desert but dont die here otherwise we may have to cry fake tears and disparage a religion and people we obviously know nothing about as we get our education from TV and public indoctrination centers called the American Public school system.”

    FOR SHAME AMERICA!!!


  23. Funny that Orly Taint was in Israel right after her birther case was thrown out, anyone else find that EXTREMELY INTERESTING AND WORTHY OF FURTHER INVESTIGATION???

    Then, she reappears to bash Muslims.

    Hmmmmmmmmmm…………………

    Listen CAREFULLY to the beginning of this video, it says “joining me now is Orly Taitz FROM TEL AVIV”…EXCUSE ME??? Why is she in Israel????????????

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOYVr7OKpV0


  24. edwards_com

    You are correct. Stand up sell fear add show business then watch the money roll in. Start a Box Top University & even get control of the Justice Department under the Conservatives for 6 years until the Democrats were back in the majority & started asking them questions under oath.


  25. damixaustex

    Buddhism has no god, so how can you consider it a religion? It's definitely a “way of life” only.

    All the others you list, by definition, are religions, gods and everything.
    Christianity includes a lot of “way of life” doctrine, but Christians choose not to abide by them.
    Some Christian “ways of life” are very clearly full fledged laws. For example, smearing goats blood on the alter and delivering meat to the priest as a way of making good on unacceptable act, like, say, charging too much for your daughter, is considered quite civil and compensatory.
    Stoning an indignant teenage child to death for mouthing off satisfies the parents AND the whole town.
    These are rules Christians choose to ignore daily, or, you might say, “full fledged laws,” regularly broken.


  26. damixaustex

    That's a valuable message Pat Robertsons followers will never hear nor seek.


  27. yvonneo

    I read recently in the Jerusalem Post that Representative Eric Cantor (R-VA) was in Israel very recently as well.

    “The possibility is there,” US House of Representatives Minority Whip Eric Cantor told The Jerusalem Post, speaking about the prospect that Congress's support for Israel could be ebbing.

    There have been incidences of late that do indicate that we have challenges on that front, and I'm very committed to doing everything I can to make sure that Congress remains Israel's strongest ally in the quest for what it needs in terms of its security.”

    “Cantor, who spoke to the Post before addressing the Jewish Federations of North America's annual General Assembly, did not specify the nature of the incidents, but he did raise questions about the White House's approach to Israel and the wider Middle East.”

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename...

    And here's an earlier article from the Haaretz regarding Cantor's visit to Israel:

    “He says he decided to head the delegation of congressmen to visit Israel this month to counteract the “alarming” line that the U.S. administration under President Barack Obama has adopted toward Israel.”

    http://haaretz.com/hasen/pages/natashaBlog.jhtm...


  28. nader paul kucinich gravel

    Anthrax
    Wall Street
    Art students
    9/11 snow job
    Chicken hawks
    Moving company
    Propaganda media
    DNC stealth neocons
    Anti-semitism accusers
    The chosen the superior
    2-3% of the US population
    Extortion blackmail bribery
    By deception ye shall wage war
    AIPAC's Israel-first dual-nationals
    For profit NotFederal NoReserve scam

    ~ Words are plentiful deeds are precious


  29. nader paul kucinich gravel

    yoshimum;

    The trolls will soon lose their paychecks.

    Why do most trolls have IP's out of Israel?
    Do you think this will make us start & fight more wars for you?!

    Ventura Sheehan Perot Paul Nader McKinney
    Kucinich Kaptur Grayson Gravel
    Gonzalez Clemente Choate
    Carter Baldwin Anderson


  30. Actually most of them are volunteers. this is from the circa GULAG GAZA ATTACK. it is straight from haaretz, so no one can say this is made up.

    http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html


  31. FallaciAdmirer

    Exactly right.


  32. m3t

    Sherri, what about those of us who denounce ALL religions because they are ALL bullshit?

    You don't win the argument by calling people like me (a businessman that successfully supports his family, etc.) a hippy… or a muslim when it is patently untrue.

    The problem for you, is you do not like your belief system being challenged, you have no way to effectively argue in it's defense and so have to resort to pathetic name-calling.

    You just demonstrate your unwillingness to use reason, logic or facts in your rejection of our denouncement.

    Islam AND Christianity are both utter bullshit.


  33. PrissyPatriot

    Riddle me this Pat Robertson:

    1) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem, is my neighbours, they claim the odour is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

    2) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    4) Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to The Welsh but not The Scots. Can you clarify?

    5) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. I have reported him to the Police but they seem little interested, they say that the CPS would not follow up on it. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    6) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don�t agree. Can you settle this?

    7) Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?


  34. yvonneo

    I read today in Haaretz an article about marginalizing Jews that dare to criticize Israel. It'll be interesting to see what kind of propaganda starts spewing from that part of the world to accomplish that goal.


  35. They do more than ” marginalize ” them. This would include jews in Israel that are for gay rights, jews marrying non jews, speaking against the illegal settlements, and speaking up against the atrocities they have committed in Lebannon, Gulag Gaza, and against the Palestinians in general. Yet, they want to be known as a democracy. They are the persecuted that have become the persecutors.


  36. philedrifter

    Probably because people don't keep tabs on people they think are batshit crazy.

    I think this bitch is batshit crazy, i'm not gonna waste any of my time trying to figure out where she is every second of every day.

    She probably went to Israel to avoid paying that fine the judge levied on her b/c of her frivolous lawsuit. That, and she's probably thinking Israel won't extradite her back to the US to face charges.


  37. philedrifter

    Yeah, I stumbled across that too. Years ago.


  38. philedrifter

    the hits to the economy just keep on coming no. Because the Federal Reserve controls our money supply (and not the US Federal Government), when the Federal Reserve says 'recession' and contracts the money supply, jobs are lost, things are cut, etc.

    It's the Federal Reserve that's to blame. The argument in favor of the Federal Reserve in 1913 when it was created was that it would prevent recessions and depressions. In fact, they're the sole cause of them.

    They (well, central banks) are the reason for 4 of 4 Presidential assassinations.

    We may be our own country now, but we're operating the same was as England does, i.e. controlled by bankers. The reason for the revolution was the taxes levied on the states. The way the Constitution set us up, the government could give us interest-free loans; right now and for the last ~100 years, the FedRes prints money for pennies on the dollar, then sells the money back to the US gov at face value; the federal deficit is money the Federal Government owed the Federal Reserve, which is not Federal because it's privately controlled (by bankers) and there is no Reserve. Reserve? Reserve what?


  39. philedrifter

    For 1000 years, the Catholic Church refused to teach anyone to read…UNLESS they were willing to enter the church's seminary, where they would help the church recruit new members.

    The roman catholic church WANTED people to be stupid so they would be reliant on the church. And you're absolutely right, the catholic church caused the dark ages and inquisition.

    You should really check out the book 'You Will Die: The Burden of Modern Taboos' or at least read about it at suburra.com . I was reading about the history of religion and it's just fascinating. Like the fact that people think that children are somehow innocent and do not have any sexual desires until they are 'tainted' by someone older telling them about it.

    People have been f*cking for all eternity, that's called survival. And now we're living longer than we used to, but back in the day, women (girls) started having kids at 13, 14 years of age and just kept having them whenever they could, because of the high mortality rate. (I'm talking, basically, cave-people.) They had to have as many children as possible in order to guarantee they could survive, and once they reached the age of 5 or so then they could start helping their parents forage for food, etc.


  40. Elim

    A lot of people questioned it, Big Dan. Just not anyone in the mainstream media.


  41. Elim

    1) Kill your neighbors.
    2) Depends what country you're in, and if she's in poor, fair, good, or excellent condition.
    3) Demand sex from the woman. If she is menstruating, she'll tell you. If the woman is your wife, mark you calendar to keep track of her cycles.
    4) The Welsh are a dirty lot, but can be cleaned up enough to be slaves. The Scots are great engineers, and we need them. They would not perform their great engineering feats for us if they were enslaved.
    5) Yes, kill your neighbor immediately. God will forgive you.
    6) Both of you must eat oysters, then have sex together. Afterwards, discuss the matter again, and see if either of you has changed his mind.
    7) No wiggle room. Stay out of church forevermore.


  42. Elim

    How can you see anyone's IP addresses?


  43. Elim

    For anyone who doubts that ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT, read “The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold”, by Archaya S. Great book!


  44. Elim

    Thanks for that link, philedrifter. I'm going to order the book.


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  46. nader paul kucinich gravel

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  47. yoshimum

    It obviously does not work since I am SoCal.


  48. truthisnotevil

    Go Pat! I've been saying for a long time that islam is more then just a religion it is a political system which is designed to dominate every aspect of a person's life, from religios ritual, to which hand to eat or wipe with, to how you treat your neighbors, cut off their heads or not. I missed the mark by not thinking of Pat's extremely truthful statement that “islam is a political ideology that wants to over throw the world governments” and replace our elected officials with imans. If islam takes over, the world will be thrown into chaos and turmoil because islam is about domination which is why it demands that its adherents “submit to the will of allah” which is also the will of Mohammed or the current iman. When will people realize that if islam aka mohammedism silences the dissenters, then they it will be time to silence those who foolish think of it as simply religious ritual & rites.


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  54. John Weston

    Islam is Unquestionably Violent
    Pat Roberton was actually right!
    by John Weston (false name)

    Speaking as a Midwest born and raised American (who, in this case, is not in any way Jewish or and has acquired neither ministry or platform for speaking about Islam or the Koran) I would like to say…

    Regardless of what the left (and even right) media says, Pat Robertson’s comments on the violence of Islam are very much on point. Islam (not just radical flavors), when defined by the teachings of the Koran, is inherently a violent activism which promotes itself through terror, destruction and politics. The violence of Islam is very clearly evidenced by the religion, history and culture of the muslim religion. The difficulty for most people when they hear such definitive comments from P.R. is due to ignorance of the Koran and the differences among Islam, its factions and Middle Eastern culture. The Western political correctness smoke screen further clouds our view of Islam’s true definitions.

    Anyone who has read significant portions of the Koran will agree that the Koran promotes itself by violence. Islam’s religious qualities are often ancillary to its practical applications and I don’t think that P.R. is denying that Islam is “a religion” by certain definitions. It would appear that P.R. is wisely trying to debunk any suggestions that Islam is in any way an example of positive connotations of the word “religion.”

    But if you decide that Islam is by definition a religion, it should actually further enhance your appreciation of the veracity of P.R.’s statements. In our Western perspective of tolerance, we endanger ourselves by attempting to embrace a movement whose historical intentions have consistently been to gain converts and destroy “infidels” through violence.

    While our nation is by some legal definitions required to be fairly religion “agnostic”, the other points in the Constitution and Bill of Rights clearly eliminate protections for violent activisms. The U.S. citizenry would be wise to watch the example of how Islam handles democracy through the violent and deceptive spread of Islam to the United Kingdom and other parts of Europe in the last several decades.

    It is appropriate for Americans to respect admirable and truthful aspects of alternative cultures and beliefs, but it is clearly obtuse to embrace ideologies which promote destruction and violence. Most Americans are uninformed of the regular practices of muslims because Islam is currently a relatively isolated subculture of our country. But one need only observe the corporate look of violence in the eyes of angry muslims leaving a Middle East mosque to understand that the Koran and Islam are violent. Here in the States you can observe similar attitudes but they are often partially shrouded by the general cultural persuasions of the West or a practical facade motivated by preservationist motivations. The Koran teaches a mindset of survivalism until their is a need or opportunity to subdue “infidels” (which in Islam is anyone who does not follow the Koran), and right now muslims in the West are primarily in the survival phase of such doctrines, though sometimes they show their true intentions (Ref 1).

    The Koran is an extremely violent book. Not just in terms of the intensity of events described in its historical stories (like many religious books), but in terms of its values. Contrary to popular understanding, The Koran has over 160 verses (spanning several Suras of the Koran) which promote Jihad and retaliatory activism. The Koran’s descriptions of God as retaliatory and its definitions of the way and means of “righteous” activity further promote violent mindsets towards anyone who disagrees with the Koran. The Koran’s treatment of women, left for another discussion, is certainly in agreement with its treatment of others (See Ref 2).

    The issue of the violence of Islam is complicated by the fact that the Koran is not widely adhered to by many people who call themselves muslims, Middle East culture is and has often been heavily violent and people who call themselves muslims have many auxiliary beliefs. The average American has little understanding of even what it means to be muslim or what muslims believe. If they really knew, we would sleep less comfortably.

    While many Islamic leaders have leveraged deception of varying kinds (including deceiving themselves), political “correctness” persuasions in the West and Western tolerance to promote the idea that Islam is by nature not violent, the history and text of the Koran prove otherwise. The birth and initial spread of Islam was unquestionably violent. And we have seen throughout history and now that even factions of Islam settle matters by violence.

    Many muslims in the West even including fundamentalists express words of tolerance of other belief systems. Such statements by hard liners fall in line with tactics of persuasion, as described in the Koran, but such words are not in agreement with the goals of the Koran.

    The Koran says that Muslims (Ref 3) should fight against those who do not believe in Allah. And specifically requires and suggests that violence be used against other religions including Jews, Christians and polythiests (Ref 4). If by chance some Jews and Christians are allowed to live as subdued peoples, another passage says that muslims are not allowed to be their friends (Ref 5). But many muslims (and also suggestions in the Koran) declare that Jews and Christians believe in the same God and point to linguistic relationships between Allah and the “Eloi” (Father God) spoken to by Jesus in the New Testament. The problem is that the Koran teaches that it is appropriate to physically attack those who disagree with the Koran and in fact threatens muslims who do not (Ref 8), so it is inevitably impossible for muslims to be tolerant of other belief systems.

    You either accept the Koran or you don’t, and if you don’t the Koran says it is acceptable to destroy you. In the U.S. we have seen these inconsistencies between speach and action even among those who are not radicals. While a segment of those who make such statements are representative of nominal muslims, many muslim leaders are willing to make these statements in order to further the acceptance of Islam.

    Violence isn’t the only questionable method used by muslims to promote Islam–stealth and subversion (similar to Communism in the old Soviet days) and legal systems are used against powers that are financially or military superior. It is commonly known that politically motivated Imams often hold meetings to plot the take over of countries. These activities are also known to happen here in the U.S. In the context of a country such as ours, it should not surprise us that Imams are smart enough to plan longer term strategies for upheaval rather than immediately overt ones. Nonetheless, we have seen Islamic violence in our own country from those not previously considered to be radicals.

    The fact that other religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Communism, Christianity have had sects, evil leaders, or even localized periods of deception leading to violence (such as the Crusades, the Soviet regime, border wars, religious faction wars) is easily contrasted with Islam’s promotion and dependence on violence throughout its history and historical writings (not just Koran) (Ref 9).

    As mentioned, there are people and cultures which call themselves muslims but are nominally so and do not adhere to the Koran proper. Their tendency to call themselves muslim clouds the issue because they are selectively muslim and may also be selectively humanistic or otherwise hold views outside the teachings of the Koran. In fact, many of their humanitarian views are probably better traced back to Jewish or Christian heritages.

    As is possible with all people, some political leaders in predominantly muslim countries have a violence motivated by basic human moral failures like greed, vengence, etc. (further making the issue complex). Similarly, there have certainly been muslims or heads of state in predominantly muslim nations who have not been violent in varying degrees. But such people either do not entirely agree with the Koran’s contents or are intentionally hiding their views for alternative motivations. In the latter case, the Koran and companion documents justify their deception and other dishonest practices (Ref 5 — Interestingly, this issue also presents various problems in legal matters).

    In our current age of political “correctness” we have often been unwilling to define the religions of people of various beliefs because we believe that it is inappropriate to tell someone they are not of one faith or another. And in truth it is difficult to tell what the internal beliefs of a person are without monitoring, interviewing and otherwise observing them. But religions and religious people are primarily identified by the history of their beliefs and their sacred writings. Furthermore, most muslims very proudly assert that their sacred writings are indeed superior to all others when considered in the original text. They must be held to consistency on this point. The lifestyles of the leaders and authors of the Koran also confirm the negative views in Islam (Ref 6).

    If my personal information was somehow publicized I could very easily targeted for a retaliatory fatwa (a legal statement from a muslim authority which in this case would license my death or harm) or even put under a jihadist “hit” list. This can happen even here in the United States unless there was a media or other reason to do otherwise. I personally know at least one person in the Midwest United States who has spoken similar to the tone of this article and been added to such lists. He now goes by a false name to protect himself and his children.

    But to solidify my points about the Koran, I leave you with more quotes from the Koran itself (Ref 7). Suggesting that these phrases are taken out of context or are misinterpreted is wrong and also goes against the language of the Koran (which says that everyone should be able to read the Koran in their own language). These verses represent only a fraction of the verses of this type in the Koran. Looking further at the history of Islam, it is clear that this movement has a tendency toward violence. Surely a religion of peace would not succomb to such a means for promoting its beliefs regardless of the nature of its culture.

    Ref 1:
    According to Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR, ‘Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur’an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth’ (Report in the San Ramon Valley Herald of a speech to California Muslims in July 1998; quoted by Daniel Pipes in CAIR: Moderate Friends of Terror, New York Post, April 22, 2002).

    (this quote taken from http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/toler/lying_sin.html)

    Ref 2:
    “Forbidden to you are…married women, except those you own as slaves.” (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

    “Blessed are the believers…who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)…These are the heirs of Paradise…” (Surah 23:1-5-)

    Ref 3:
    “Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” (Surah 48:29)

    Ref 4:
    “…make war on the leaders of unbelief…Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them…” (Surah 9:12-)

    “Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]…until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.” (Surah 9:27-)

    “It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it.” (Surah 9:31-)

    Ref 5:
    “Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

    Ref 6:
    The “Companions of The Prophet” is a muslim text which is decidedly pro-muslim. A simple reading of the text shows the violent approach of Muhammed and his companions.

    A simple reading of the life of Muhammed confirms his approach to “infidels”:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

    Ref 7:
    “Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” (Surah 48:29)

    …fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you…[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

    The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali have "exiled" rather than "imprisoned"]

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah…nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

    “Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home.” (Surah 9:73)

    “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them.” (Surah 9:121-)

    Ref 8:
    “If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men.” (Surah 9:37-)

    “Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.” (Surah 2:216)

    Ref 9:

    “If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them.” (Surah 8:51-)

    see also http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml

    “Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.”
    (this reference from: http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml)

    There are extra-Koran references to permitting lying:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” … [Bukhari Vol 5 Book 59 Num 369]


  55. Jolly Jack

    I have to agree with you!
    Religion is nothing more than superstitious nonsense based on age-old myths and legends!


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  57. liban123

    Go suck ur dicks you mothafuckin terriosts ur religions can suck a dick what is ur religon alie suckin a priest dick for holy water off is private to drink it fuck ur aspects of faith son of god is jesus whad da fuk is that god is one has no son , daughter , or wife the creater of all man my religon is true and fuck yours.


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