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Monday, August 23, 2010

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by Ralph Vacchiano

Giants sign Shawn Andrews to 6-year deal »

UPDATED 1:24 p.m.

Obviously concerned about the health of their two starting guards, the Giants made a shocking addition early this morning when they signed offensive lineman Shawn Andrews, a three-time Pro Bowler and former first-round pick.

Andrews, a 6-4, 330-pound former Philadelphia Eagle, worked out for the Giants at the University at Albany yesterday and signed a six-year contract at 1:45 this morning, according to the team. He has not played since a two-game appearance in 2008 because of a back injury. But the Giants apparently are convinced he’s healthy now.

“Our personnel staff has been monitoring Shawn’s progress for awhile now,” Giants GM Jerry Reese said in a statement released by the team. “He looks great and had a very good workout for us yesterday. He can play both guard and both tackle positions. We just have to take him slow for the rest of the preseason to get him into game shape. Shawn is very excited and grateful for this opportunity to play for the New York Giants.”

It turned out to be almost a no-risk signing for the Giants. Andrews’ agent, Rich Moran, told the Daily News in an e-mail that the six-year deal contains very little guaranteed money. He didn’t reveal the exact terms - - and they weren’t immediately available - - but he insisted there’s “more upside” in the second-year of the contract. That likely means it’s loaded with incentives and escalators related to playing time. It also means it won’t cost the Giants much if they decide at any point in the first year that the signing just didn’t work out.

Not that coach Tom Coughlin expects the signing of the 27-year-old Andrews to be anything but a success. After the Giants’ final walkthrough practice of trainning camp at the University at Albany this morning, Coughlin said he was “excited” to have the former Eagle on the squad, adding that Andrews was in “excellent” shape.

Andrews said that’s because he’s spent the last 10 months rehabbing in Los Angeles and “busting my butt” to get ready to return to the NFL. But even he admitted that he won’t really know how his back will hold up on the football field until he plays.

He was at this morning’s walkthrough, but did not participate. He is not expected to play in the Giants’ preseason game against the Pittsburgh Steelers tomorrow night.

“I put myself through various tests, and the only test for football really is getting on the field, and just going slow,” Andrews said. “They’re just going to kind of ease me into this thing. Just kind of ease me into it and see what happens, see how the back responds … I’ve done everything to prevent it (from flaring up again) and we’ll see what happens.”

“I would think he’ll get back (in action) relatively quick,” Coughlin added. “He’s in good shape. He’s in very good shape.”

Andrews was in good enough shape that he had drawn interest from four teams, according to Moran. The Giants were his second visit and he canceled two others, Moran said, after he was offered a contract. Moran added that Andrews “felt comfortable” with the Giants and expressed a strong interest in remaining in the NFC East.

Andrews apparently has a little leftover bitterness towards his old team after he was released by the Eagles in March after making 50 starts with them from 2004-08 and making the Pro Bowl in 2005, 2006 and 2007. They picked him 16th overall in in 2004 and he immediately was penciled in as their starting right guard. In that season’s opener against the Giants, though, he was lost for the year with a fractured fibula.

He played in all but one game during the next three years, until suffering a back injury in Week 2 of the 2008 season - - an injury that required him to have surgery that October. That came after a tumultuous summer in which he missed the first few weeks of training camp while seeking professional help to help him battle depression.

Andrews re-injured his back in training camp last year and eventually needed surgery again last December. He was released by the Eagles after failing a physical in March.

But a healthy Andrews could be huge for the Giants, who are dangerously thin along the offensive line. Guard Chris Snee is out indefinitely with chronic swelling in his left knee, and guard Rich Seubert is unable to play in games at the moment because of a broken left hand. The Giants were forced to start Guy Whimper at right guard and move left tackle David Diehl inside to left guard in their preseason opener against the Jets (a move they had been experimenting with in camp anyway, so they could see second-year pro Will Beatty at left tackle).Their top reserve, Kevin Boothe, is out until mid-September with a torn pectoral muscle, too.

For what it’s worth, Coughlin insisted that the signing of Andrews had nothing to do with the status of Seubert or Snee. Andrews, he said, is “just another good football player” who could end up being with the Giants for the very long term.

Specific details of Andrews’ six-year contract weren’t immediately available. To make room on the 80-man roster for Andrews, the Giants waived recently-signed offensive lineman Cliff Louis.


Snee and Seubert lead the list of Giants who won’t be playing tomorrow. Michael Johnson (back) and Ramses Barden (back) will also sit out, Coughlin said. Tight end Travis Beckum, however, will see action tomorrow. He’s missed most of training camp with an injured groin.


Third-string quarterback Rhett Bomar may not need to play the entire game tomorrow. Coughlin said that Dominic Randolph, who signed late on Wednesday night, “knows a few plays.” In fact, a person who spoke with Randolph said the new Giants quarterback has been told to expect to play in the fourth quarter.

Randolph has also quickly picked up the cadence and rhythm of the Giants’ offense, likely because he was also with the team at their rookie mini-camp in May.

“You could see him,” Coughlin said.


The walkthrough officially ended the Giants’ training camp stay in Albany. When they return to practice on Monday they’ll be back at their training facility in the parking lot of the Meadowlands.

Will they be back in Albany in 2011? The Giants have seperate options in their contract with the university to return in ‘11 and again in ‘12. Whether they’re back in ‘11 may depend on whether there is a lockout and whether it lasts long enough to push back the start of training camp, if not the regular season.

As I reported earlier this summer, that’s the reason why the twin options were put in the deal, rather than make it a two-year option. The Giants wanted the option to not come to Albany next year if the lockout causes scheduling problems, and then to possibly still come back in ‘12.

- - with Ebeneezer Samuel, in Albany (for now)

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August 20, 2010 9:36 AM

Man, I'd be more concerned with his head than his back. He's had serious depression issues that kept him out of camp and at one point said that he didn't enjoy playing football. The Eagles even signed his brother to help him along which indicates they thought he was worth some effort but it didn't work.

August 20, 2010 9:53 AM

This is a good move by Jerry. This unit I belive is starting to show normal wear and tear as mentioned dating back to last season. We definitely need adequate reserves to protect Eli at all costs. Why not take a flyer? Hopefully he's taking the proper anti-depressant meds.

August 20, 2010 9:55 AM

I don't think Giants were forced to move Diehl to guard they wanted to do that since spring to get Beatty play LT. But Snee is really key for our running game I hope hes alright to start the season.

Dick Myers
August 20, 2010 9:58 AM

Hey guys.. I heard Jonathan Ogden is in football shape. Maybe for the right amount of $$$$, he's available. Remember how he mauled your "D" when the Ravens beat the Giants in Superbowl 35 in a very, very close game, 34-7 final score? lol. I bet even now at 39, Ogden has more heart and guts than all your O Line plus Brandon Jacobs, combined.

August 20, 2010 10:01 AM

Dat, you are right but they need someone. If the excitement of a new team holds for a few weeks, and his back holds out, then his signing will have been successful. A lot of "ifs" there huh?!

Floyd The Barber
August 20, 2010 10:02 AM

Beatty was a huge mistake --- i dont care what anyone says --- read his pre-draft profile, and the glaring fact stated that he lacked intensity and a mean streak ... now Reese is forcing the envelope and sticking this guy in there bc he is looking like a fool again ... id rather have a 75% Kareem out on that island over a guy who would rather be pining petunia's to sport jacket lapels ...

Dick Myers
August 20, 2010 10:05 AM

Alaetar.. badmouthing Rex Ryan in Raissman's column for swearing is following the footsteps of that phoney hypocrite king, Tony Dungy. No head coach swears more than that raving lunatic maniacal HC of yours, Tom Coughlin. They are just jealous of Rex Ryan because he is the most famous HC in NFL and yes... even before winning a championship. So hold your breath in envy, you fools!

David G.
August 20, 2010 10:08 AM

(1) Barden might not be ready yet for prime yet. So what? We all know he came in very raw from a small school and that WR is a notoriously a position where many need time to develop. What's the hurry? The Giants waited forever and finally got solid dividends from William Roberts and Jeff Hostetler. For Visanthe Shiancoe, they waited five years before, mistakenly, letting him leave.

No, they can wait that long for everyone, but Barden -- especially since he's shown such promise in practice -- should be nowhere near the end of his Big Blue rope. It wasn't until his fourth season that Toomer produced much. And he was from Michigan.

(2) Though it isn't easy, the Cruz craze should be somewhat contained until he's done something against someone else's 1s. IMO, he's earned the right to have that opportunity real soon.

Once he's done that, we can then promptly start discussing his prospects of breaking into the Giants' WR top-3. It's not just what he did to the Jets, it's how amazingly natural he looked doing it, and in his very first game. Even Nicks needed a few preseason games before he broke out.

Judging them on game performance, though admittedly it's just preseason (but what other games has Cruz been around for?), Barden is eating Cruz's dust.

(3) What are the Jets' noodnik fans crowing about? On the night they inaugurate their ring of honor, with bragging rights for the new stadium at stake, they play their starters longer than the G-Men, and still get waxed by two TDs.

Give me a break.

Sure, the Jet 1s outplayed a heavily injury-depleted group of Giant 1s in the first preseason week. That sure means a lot. Wonder if that'll turn out to be the Jets' 2010 high point.

(4) Can't remember the last time Big Blue made a move like Andrews. At one point, he may have been the best guard in the league.

If Andrews plays well for the Giants, even I might feel sorry for the Sheagles considering what the "easy-going" press and "understanding" fans down there will do to them. I'll bet their front office is already choking with discomfort. Whereas Reese & Co. must be giggling with mischievous delight.

Spittin' Bull:

Clever line, but how did those Giant clams go down last season?

David G.
August 20, 2010 10:11 AM

In point (1), I meant they can't -- not can -- wait that long for everyone. Sloppy post.

Dye Job
August 20, 2010 10:11 AM

That man's nuts,........grab em!!

August 20, 2010 10:39 AM

Through all the babble what do we know, Shawn Andrews:
a)3 x Pro Bowler
b)injured back in Oct 2008. missed rest of year.
c) reinjured back in 2009 summer camp, required 2nd surgery in December 2009
d) failed Eagle medical in March 2010
e) battled depression (as have many bloggers on this site)(depression could have been from Back pain, medications, longevity of recooperation period?)
f) only 27 years old.
Hell worth the shot! Kudos for taking chance. Giants have had good success with bringing in Vet OLs ( McKensie and Ohara as an example)

Man, RV, you got to get a better exterminator on this site for the Bed Bugs and Wee Green Varmits that are still get on this site

August 20, 2010 10:41 AM

Good heavens. If the Giants make it to the playoffs and don't win the Super Bowl we beat them up. Jets make it in and lose and their fans think they are the Patriots. Oh well, pride goeth before the fall.

Fusion - I would have checked his finances to get a sense of whether he's doing this because he's broke or if his head is actually back into it. Hey, I'll try to cheer the guy up if it will help protect Eli.

I hope being in the same stadium as the Jets doesn't send the poor dude into a permanent tailspin. I know the rotten feeling I have every time I see them or their fans or even the color green in any context now. Seriously, trees and grass now depress me because they are green like the Jets.

August 20, 2010 10:42 AM

He's a pre-season stop-gap. Never make the reg season roster. They're just resting starters for preseason and they need warm bodies.

August 20, 2010 10:43 AM

Also: one less OL player for Dallas, who's hurting at the position. Even this makes it a smart signing.

August 20, 2010 10:55 AM

Dick Myers-who did you hear the Ogden was in football shape? Are you friends with the guy and roaming around Baltimore? The guy retired because of his back and all his pains. And he just turned 36 not 39.

And I guess your a Jets fan? When was the last time they won a SB? Oh yeah like 30 years ago or something... You are a the guy who thought O'brien was a good QB in the 80's for you... You are probably just as fat as Rex and think well I can talk like him also because are like the same... Go away.

August 20, 2010 11:06 AM

ihateads - hope you're right. I think it means that Guy Whimper obviously can't play guard. Beatty/Diehl is solid on your left. But they need insurance for Snee. He's been the standout on the line for the past few years. Plugging in a back-up tackle at Right Guard won't get the job done. Signing him this late in the game isn't risky in the least. It's probably for a song and like Bullock, if he plays well, then great. If not, the team is not invested in him.

The Original Carbo
August 20, 2010 11:16 AM

This is a classic Jerry Reach move. Borne out of panic, he signs a broken down head case to anchor an offensive line that needs a hell of a lot more than a stop gap.
By week 2, when everyone is blaming Jacobs and Bradshaw for the worst running offense in the League, look no further than a Front Office that is two years slow on addressing the issue.

David G.
August 20, 2010 11:25 AM

Is the Andrews signing need-driven or opportunistic? It's low risk, maybe no risk, and the guy may still have a stratospheric upside if he can somehow get his head and his back straight. He's just the kind of talent one would take a shot with even if no need existed.

And it just might be that the Giants' team psychiatrist, until now, has had too much time on his hands. Andrews should at least solve that.

Seriously, though, does it appear that any of the OLs previously on hand is likely to miss extended regular season time? I'd have thought not. And if someone does miss time, Diehl can always be played inside. Whimper has filled in effectively in the past, even if just briefly. Boothe should return around the third or so game. And my guess is, if Petrus had to start, he'd hold his own, though not without some normal rookie growing pains. It's not as though NFL rookie OLs never start on Week 1.

Bottom line: I'm not that down on the depth. Is Reese? If he were, would he have waited 'till the fifth round to reel in an OL? Maybe the Andrews signing is more offense than defense.

Andrews' big contract made it costly for the Eagles to continue carrying him. That, and accumulated frustration as well, likely factored into Philly's decision to cut him loose. With the Giants, Andrews will have a fresh (but not necessarily large) store of patience and the benefit -- in a sense -- of a smaller contract. For the G-Men, this is win/tie.

Dye Job: Since you've undoubtedly heard the saying about people in glass houses, it's obvious you don't have anything to grab. Why give yourself away like that? Still, enjoy your next trip to the ladies room.

August 20, 2010 11:31 AM

The Original Carbo-I don't think anyone including Reese said he is anchoring the O line. He is pure backup right now if he can even make the team, which isn't a sure thing.

August 20, 2010 11:31 AM

Cowboys injury list.

Pos. Player Injury Status
OL Alex Barron Ankle Will be back next week
WR Dez Bryant High ankle sprain Out at least two more weeks
OL Marc Colombo Knee Will be out until at least Sept. 1
S Michael Hamlin Concussion Will not play at San Diego on Saturday
LB Stephen Hodge Knee On physically unable to perform list, return unknown
WR Jesse Holley Strained hamstring Expected to miss several days
OL Kyle Kosier Knee Expected to be out 4 to 6 weeks
TE Scott Sicko Concussion Began rehabilitation work
DL Marcus Spears Knee Sprained ligament, out at least two more weeks
S Patrick Watkins Knee Will not play at San Diego on Saturday

August 20, 2010 11:32 AM

The Original Carbo-it is also like you saying they signed Randolph to anchor the #2 spot with Eli and Sorgi out.

August 20, 2010 11:34 AM

David are you related to Tolstoy by any chance? I see alot of similarity in styles and especially in sheer volume of words used to convey very simple messages.

Spittin' Bull, Redskins Big Chief
August 20, 2010 11:49 AM

White men speak with fork tonque.

White men can't jump.

White men in blue uniform will be like General George Custer against Chief Crazy Horse in the Battle of the Little Big Horn. All palefaces died including Custer in that skirmish, check google if you don't believe me. FYI, Custer is ancestor of Archie Manning and his boys, including crybaby Eli. You don't have to check google on that.

Giants play like little girls. Cowboys dead. Eagles without McNabb are cooked. Redskins will scalp everyone.

August 20, 2010 11:50 AM

This Snee situation is worrisome. Chronic knee issues? Doesn't sound very promising to me. And what about McKenzie? Its not like he was getting better and better these past two seasons. He has back issues usually. Bender is OK and Booth too maybe, but its not a powerhouse line without Snee. We really needed some depth there.

Spittin' Bull, Redskins Big Chief
August 20, 2010 11:54 AM

David G is a little boy who someday will be a sports writer like fishlips Gary Myers. David writes his autobiography using crayons. The title is "How to Successfully Cheer for LOsers". lotsa luck, pal. Have CT GIANT ghostwrite for you.

August 20, 2010 11:55 AM

Now this is really getting ridiculous! Do we have 1st graders posting here now? Redskins fans no less.

Spittin' Bull, Redskins Big Chief
August 20, 2010 12:00 PM

David G has a masters degree in Journalism/Communications. He graduated in the same School as CT GIANT. They bought their degrees for $25 in an on line University. SCambridge University, I think.

August 20, 2010 12:01 PM

Spitting Bull is really an understatement in your case.

Mahatma Gandhi
August 20, 2010 12:08 PM

"Fools RUSH in where angels fear to thread."

rush ~ when was the last time you took a bath? when the pats lost to the giants in that superbowl where if Assante did not drop a sure interception, TC would have been working for Bill Parcells as an assistant coach AGAIN, in charge of getting the doughnuts and coffee? And Jerry Reese would have been shining Mike Tannenbaum's shoes? Tsk tsk tsk. lucky, lucky, lucky!

Mahatma Gandhi
August 20, 2010 12:10 PM

I have to meditate, guys. Please don't bother me now.

August 20, 2010 12:12 PM

Wow, this signing has some people worried. Signed cheap, experienced potential starter material, so what's the downside? If he sucks he's gone. eh
BTW, Redskin fans (tee hee) shouldn't be seen or heard.

August 20, 2010 12:13 PM

You meant jerk off, not meditate.

August 20, 2010 12:18 PM

Mr Ghandi,
Good point that Parcells has one more SB ring than TC or that TC has the same amount of SBs as the Jets.
Gratz however on making the playoffs-however tainted.

August 20, 2010 12:32 PM

SIX YEAR DEAL??? Now thats strong. How old is he gonna be when it ends? 40? Thats a serious commitment though its probably guaranteed for like 2 months and the rest is paper. :)

August 20, 2010 12:32 PM

Rv, Please, get the exterminator! Its worse then we thought,and stupidity is contagious as you can see in this blog since the jets LOST.

August 20, 2010 12:40 PM

The guy that should get an A+ is TRUE. He & OLD talked a lot pre-draft about our oline's age and lack of depth. Snee has a serious issue;Seuburt has a broken hand;Beatty is in hos 2nd yr;Ohara is 33, & has ankle issues;Diehl is our only starter yet to be injured. I watched JPP, and although potential sounds nice, we had Lupica at #15 and he's going to start. So we limp into 2010
with a mix bag of oline players, which who really knows, how good/bad they will be? Koets;Whimper;Boothe;McKensie;Petrius none are outstanding, and the result is 1st game, 2QB's go out, one could have been way worse, and the other
should have never been signed. Gilbride has more then he can handle, and I better see Fewell's attacking defense, attack, because at this point, this team
needs both time & talent to move forward, and I hope they can put this team back together?

August 20, 2010 12:45 PM

OG what do you expect Ralph to do exactly, chastize the trolls with harsh language? YOu and CT with this extermintator ****, comon, why dont you write something to defend the blog. Or you need a mommy to help you? :)

August 20, 2010 12:56 PM

To the Blue Screen Blog Vets:
Week 2 2010 Pre-season-
Thurs games- Pats at Atlanta Brandon Spikes starts at LB for Patsin3-4 alignment. Sean Weatherspoon starts at LB in3-4 alignment for Falcons'
Colts at Buffalo- For Buffalo CJ Spiller starting at RB. For Colts, Jerry Hughes will not break starting line-up while Mathis and Feeney healthy.

August 20, 2010 1:09 PM

Rush go change your diapper moron, evidently your incapable of stating something intelligent. This blog is run by RV and he can do plenty. Guess what if you got a problem with me and others on this blog to bad. Like I said before try stating something informative, all you try to do is be critical of those who have the guts to put their thoughts in writing. Never have you stated anything original or gone on a limb with any kind of prediction. Where were you in the off season for the draft, free agency ? You sound to me like a Monday morning QB. Tell you what, don't converse with me and I'll do same. Have a nice day KID

August 20, 2010 1:12 PM

And yes what I would not give to have my mother here me anytime.

August 20, 2010 1:28 PM

This is the year! New York Giants will always be New York's football team not those Titans/Jets who they blew out last week even with the Jets going all out to win.

August 20, 2010 1:41 PM

I don't mind your mother being on this blog as long as she not Chubbybabe or something.

August 20, 2010 1:41 PM

6 years is a little nuts unless Snee is out, they think Shubert hand can't handle it, they think Beatty is playing like Betty White and McKenzie is not going to hold up.

There has to be more to the story then this.

August 20, 2010 1:56 PM

6 years is fine. The Giants hold all the cards. If he works out, they have him locked in. If not, sayonara.

August 20, 2010 2:18 PM

LMAO at the love sick girls on Twitter pestering Ralph and Garafolo about Eli! Don't worry, sweethearts. Eli's probably fine. Personally, I'm worrying about Snee and Seubert with this new signing.

August 20, 2010 2:21 PM

6 years is a little nuts


6 year nfl contact with "no guarantees" - is totally meaningless. if he stays healthy he'll be a great addition this year and provide the giants with great depth at guard. next year probably he and every other player will be locked out. excellent move right now and that's all that counts - this year because giants will be right back at the top of the nfc fighting to get to the super bowl. if lorenzon could win a super bowl so could bomar.

The Real Steve Smith # 12
August 20, 2010 2:21 PM

Is Kenny Phillips playing in tomorrow's game?

August 20, 2010 2:26 PM

"Obviously concerned about the health of their two starting guards..."

Don't you mean "Obviously concerned about the health of their freakin’ $106 million quarterback...?!"

August 20, 2010 2:29 PM

Thanks as always Ralph, for the latest and best info. Looks like a good and potentially great signing- very good point by ads-hater, that it's addition by subtraction (from the Cowboys)if he turns out at all, because they're in a bit more need even than we are.

Best way to welcome him? Let him focus on RUN-blocking and ram it down their throats the first game he sees action (hopefully next week). Work into pass-blocking if he shows well and progresses.

As for the non-Giant fans on the blog, patience. Remember two things. 1) We've had practice putting up with this for years... from guys like Carbo. and 2) The Jets-Skins-Cowboys fans will leave as soon as they have some positive things going on for their own teams to talk about. A preseason win, for example...

August 20, 2010 2:32 PM

Gotta love Drake. Great Blue Screen vet. Doesn't post much but when he does its accurate and succinct.

August 20, 2010 2:33 PM

RUSH: If I have an issue with anyone here, I go directly to them, so do your home work, or just shut up! Where were you the last six months? Not here! we have enough DEAD-HEAD-YET fans with zero brain power, either add something or sit & learn.
REESE: DEFENSE:Ross;Thomas;Phillips;Goff;Sintum;JPP;Joesph;Jones;Dillard;Canty;Bernard;Rolle;Grant;Bulluck
and I'm sure I missed some. Canty & Bernard=83M=ZIP? Rolle & Grant=41M=will see. TRUE: I'm not blowing smoke, but but when someone here is point on, they deserve the credit. If I recall, your comments related to building a team's depth, by adding players over time, not just obvious need positions, so if that's what you said, you hit the bulls-eye. Only Beatty & Petruis were added to a offensive line, which when Eli got here in 04, was in prime shape and a super-bowl win in 07 on both sides kicked Brady's ass, and we win. But the oline was getting put together in 00 and now are 10 yrs older=Seuburt;Ohara;Snee;Diehl base four with Boothe, Whimper, but no-one else.
So now, here we are, scrambling around picking up players, with a knee/jerk Reese. One: We should have picked at least two-three oline guys in the draft over the last five years, no matter what the "need"; Two: We spend about 140M in FA' signings, all on Defense;Three no question we should have signed Kirk Morrison, as the signing of Bulluck is proof positive, there not AT ALL happy with Goff or Sintium, maybe Dillard, no matter what they say publicly;Four we lose a #1 pick in Carr, who I still think could be a starting QB, he's only 30, Eli 29, and certainly showed his athletic ability to run, throw and lead this team.
So here we are 24 days away from our first game, no real offensive line set yet; no change in our Gilbride/bland 2 rb set; no real defensive, except at SS
and no LB's except Boley?
Somethings wrong with Reese, it's becoming clear as he signs guys who ALL have issues? Not to add to a great group of offensive lineman, who could mentor & groom, not to add a young & healthy MLB, with almost 700 tackles, and to pick a project at #15 is mind boggling, no matter how he turns out. No not at even close, played 7 games? DUH! WTF, Lupica there? Were going have a long season, and I hope ELI goes no huddle, in the gun, just like his brother, so he won't get killed. Put Bradshaw in a one back set with all our WR's in, Jacobs get to play TE. What a mess! I'm not happy at all!

August 20, 2010 2:40 PM

Andrews: “They’re just going to kind of ease me into this thing. Just kind of ease me into it and see what happens, see how the back responds …

Coughlin: “I would think he’ll get back (in action) relatively quick,”

David G.
August 20, 2010 2:42 PM

Spittin' Bull:

You haven't answered my question about how those clams went down.

Beyond that, though it's not my normal practice to beg in this space, please go easy on me. Being compared to CT. GIANT is a deadlier insult than anyone should have to bear.


I've read Tolstoy's longer works . . . with enjoyment. But skip his repetitive sections in "War and Peace" on the fog of war. Don't know what got into him there.

August 20, 2010 2:52 PM

OLD: Told you, right here weeks ago, look for more "additions", and more indeed
will come, as more "truth" come to the table, and we start dropping guys like, Beckum, Barden. Would not be surprised to find out Barden has a more serious problem with his back. If TC already says, he has no idea when he will be back, image what really is going on. Hope Bomar wears his running shoes!

David G.
August 20, 2010 3:15 PM

Conversation Between Mike Garafolo and Ramses Barden, as related by Mike G.:

WR Ramses Barden (back) disputed Tom Coughlin's notion he'll be out "a while."

Barden said he doesn't think he'll be sidelined that long. But when asked for a time frame and a specific description of his injury, last year's third-round pick was cautious in choosing his words.

"It's ... it's ... it, uh ... let me see how I can put this," he said.

I told him to put it "the most informative way possible," to which he replied, "Yeah, you'd like that, wouldn't you?"

Barden eventually decided he'd better stay out of this one. But when he finally got to his car, he yelled back in my direction, "Hey, how about this? It's not chronic."

Okay then.

August 20, 2010 3:20 PM

DR.MOUTH OF THE YEAR=DAVID: I see you like to slip a shot or two at me, in posts to others, that's OK, but why not bring it to Pappa? Is it: #1 Your a hypocrite, who bashes Chad Jones for being "reckless", yet doesn't use the same
logic to ELI, who was the same? or #2 Were you the star of "The Forty Year Old
Virgin", or #3 You play for the other team, "not that there's anything wrong with that". or #4 Just a sissy who sits at home with momma, reading books with BIG WORDS, and using them on us, to see if we know what they mean? I'll go with
#1 because your a hypocrite in perfection and make it very clear, you change colors daily, like a true cameleon, and use ten thousands words to say, "I really have no clue , what the hell I'm saying'!

August 20, 2010 3:23 PM

Should clarify- adhater was right on, I think, saying it was a good move to get Andrews because it helps us and hurts the Boys.

But he also said no way he makes the regular roster and I think that's wayyyyy off. Anything's possible, but no way that's what the management or Andrews thinks. He'll be there, and probably play.

August 20, 2010 3:54 PM

MG also had some notes on Andrews. He was speaking to 3 other teams and had a repeat visit set up with one but chose to go with the Giants because he liked the people and wanted to play twice aginst the Eagles. Doesn't seem real thrilled with the Eagles.

David G.
August 20, 2010 3:54 PM

Did I mention that the Philly press would make life unpleasant for the Eagles if Andrews plays well for the Big Blue? He's done nothing so far, yet here's some early hand-wringing, this from today's edition of the Eagletarian blog, discussing the Andrews signing:

"There seems to be a law that any player who leaves the Eagles must resurface with a team that plays the Eagles that season."



Yes, by his own admission, Eli erred. But he got hurt on the field playing football to the best of his ability. You see no difference between that and the "Driver of the Year" Jones incident? I guess I shouldn't expect you to.

And if I reference you in a third-party post, do you think it's because I'm afraid of you? Even you must know better than that.

Another point: If you live to be a thousand, you'll never contribute as much to this blog as rush has just in the past day. I'd advise you not to waste your time getting on his case, except for one thing: all of your time is by definition a waste.

Or worse than a waste, like your druggy counseling sessions. You're probably the worst thing that ever happened to those unfortunate people.

August 20, 2010 3:55 PM

Thank you kindly DatMel! I'm glad there's a few of us who appreciate the value of "short & sweet."

August 20, 2010 4:08 PM

As previously advised, time get caught up with insecure, hypocrites, and Pansy asses. Kissing up to rush, ah, your pathetic, your post on Eli proves my point, END. SMITH: Yes, Kenny Phillips will play & Bulluck, but not sure how long? TC was not committal, but lets all hope he plays a couple series, gets out, with no residual. His Rehab is remarkable and I hope it continues, we all know what he can do, healthy.

David G.
August 20, 2010 4:28 PM

No kissing up, CT., just telling it like it is.

August 20, 2010 4:35 PM

I love this signing. Seeing the guys wearing bandages on their heads after Eli's injury just didn't sit well. I know Eli made a bone-headed decision, and practically nothing is off limits amongst teammates on a football team, but the starting Oline looked SO bad on the field. Victor Cruz singlehandedly covered up some very poor first team line play on both sides of the ball.

And even though it wasn't their fault, I don't think that an Oline should laugh when the man they're paid to protect gets lit up like that for the world to see. Even back in highschool you couldn't even hit our quarterback in the hallway if someone on our Oline was around. I just expected to see a little more discontent, and showing off bandages for the media was just kind of weak. This signing upgrades the talent that we have(be it 1st or 2nd team), and sends a message to a line that at 1st glance appears a bit more comfortable with itself than it should.

August 20, 2010 4:36 PM

Just a thought on Beckums debut, if doesn't make like Cruz, I hope they don't waste a roster spot, when cut time comes. BTW- Anyone know if this w/e is the first cut date? MOUTH, do some good,here, go find out, OK?

August 20, 2010 4:38 PM

str8 - Eli is known as a ruthless prankster in the locker room. I think this is the way him and the O-Line communicate.

August 20, 2010 4:39 PM

did somebody really mention chubbybabe?? lol

August 20, 2010 4:47 PM

AUGUST 31=75 players SEPT 4th=53.

August 20, 2010 4:51 PM

Jake Ballard Cut. Got to go see how many on roster now?

Cowboy Bob Ellis
August 20, 2010 5:03 PM

David G.. I have been verbally sparring with CT GIANT for over a year now. When will this boy learn how to read and write proper English? Maybe you're the one to tutor this stubborn mule. I thought giants fans have their GEDs.

Cowboy Bob Ellis
6:02 pm, Dallas time

David G.
August 20, 2010 5:08 PM

Cowboy, I doubt CT. is educable on proper English or, for that matter, anything else.

Why worry about him, though? You've got problems of your own.

Spittin' Bull, Redskins Big Chief
August 20, 2010 5:09 PM

Mike Shanahan + Donovan Mcnabb = NFC East Divison Champs.

Cowboy Bob Ellis
August 20, 2010 5:18 PM

David G.. problems, me??? Did the Game 1 of the regular season started without anyone telling me? NO? So what's the problem?

Cowboys will all be injury free by then. We're no crybabies like big fat slob Brandon Jacobs. Maybe he needs new glasses so he wont run into his quarterback. When he was shown on TV yelling at the sidelines, he THOUGHT he was at the Jets sideline yelling at Rex and the Jets for mauling his boy, Eli. Only when he smelled the bad breaths of the O Line did he realize he was at his own sidelines.

Cowboy Bob Ellis
6:18 pm, Dallas time

August 20, 2010 5:23 PM

That actually explains a lot; because for an outsider looking in that just seemed a little off. Guess you never know what really goes on amongst teammates.

Candy Man
August 20, 2010 5:31 PM

David G.. a "gift" could be a curse. having a potentially great writing skills could garner you countless enemies among your fellow bloggers. You see, ENVY is common among humans. Even among friends. Human jealousies. That disease is so prevalent at Jets Stream where I come from; I never thought it also infest this blog. Oh, well. One thing I know... you have promise as a writer. You'll probably have a brilliant career as a journalist. Don't forget my prediction when that time comes. Just smile when you remember what I had said. Keep up the good work.

August 20, 2010 5:31 PM

"Cowboy Bob Ellis
August 20, 2010 5:18 PM .

Cowboy Bob Ellis
6:18 pm, Dallas time"

Not only did Bob Ellis felt compelled enough to publicly announce his apprecation of Eli Manning's "beauty, but apparently he can't even read a clock. Unless of course the city of Dallas moved to the Atlantic Ocean...

Cowboy Bob Ellis
August 20, 2010 5:40 PM

David G.. why don't you write a children's coloring book. Strictly for pre toddler's age. It will bring tears of joy to CT GIANT's eyes.

Cowboy Bob Ellis

David G.
August 20, 2010 5:41 PM

Candy: Thanks for the kind words.

David G.
August 20, 2010 5:43 PM

Cowboy: Not sure CT. is, or ever will be, up to using crayons.

Cowboy Bob Ellis
August 20, 2010 5:44 PM

mk1.. you have to first establish a reputation here before I make a decision to ramble with you. You're not worthy enough yet, pardner.

August 20, 2010 5:45 PM

MK1, that's because the cowboy is really a schmuck Jets fan. Not a very smart one either. Too funny. He probably never heard of Atlantic Time.

So, Cowboy is now known as "Wrong Way Cowboy" and feel free to make the connection to Broke Back Cowboy.

August 20, 2010 5:53 PM

You're right that it's an obvious dupe, fusion, but don't you just love such ironic stupidity?

David G.
August 20, 2010 5:56 PM

Actually, Cowboy, MK1 is a long-timer and one of the more level-headed souls around here. He also has a fine ironic touch. So, be careful, because otherwise you might find yourself holding your 'nads in your hands, not even realizing that MK1 just sliced them off.

Which would leave you in a condition already familiar to Dye Job and somewhat analogous to that of your favorite team's offensive line.

August 20, 2010 5:58 PM

MK: HE IS A LOCAL, & probably a friend of David/mouth? He posts the time, the idiot he is, and doesn't think we see it? I'm looking forward to seeing how the Giants deal with there oline problems? I just think Reese got caught or believed, that over a 10 year span, the oline takes a beating. Only to draft one or two guys, doesn't seem like adding depth, not in this league. Eli, as good as he can be, has to have time, and when he does come back, I hope both
the line has been addressed more, and gives him protection. Will see what Reese and TC do, after this next game. CT. MOUTH: You got a friend or is that you, partner?

David G.
August 20, 2010 7:05 PM

A little perspective on Andrews: He's missed most of the last two seasons. Assuming his comeback succeeds, how likely is he to revert to top form any time this season? Not very, one would think.

So an optimistic scenario might look thus: Andrews becomes serviceable in the latter part of the season -- and the playoffs, Giant fans hope -- but not dominant until the 2011 preseason.

Really, it's hard to say which player has better chances, Andrews or KP. Of the two, Andrews has missed more time but is much more NFL-proven.

August 20, 2010 8:19 PM

David G.

So an optimistic scenario might look thus: Andrews becomes serviceable in the latter part of the season -- and the playoffs, Giant fans hope -- but not dominant until the 2011 preseason.


as cautious as giants are if they signed him he looks sound to them OR THEY WOULDNT WASTE THEIR TIME AND MONEY.

BTW- will be no preseason in 2011

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/08/giants-sign-pro-bowl-ol-shawn.html#ixzz0xCsuY9iy

August 20, 2010 8:42 PM

MOUTH, YOU OF LITTLE FAITH & clueless when we talk about the Giants. Kenny Phillips is a starting Safety, who got hurt last year. He's playing because
he's rehab is over, now needs to get some playing time in game situations, but make no mistake, even with all you negative comments about anyone who get injured, this guy has a roster spot, and if all goes well, he regains his spot
at Safety. Maybe if you looked at film, rather then what your brain says, he may very well be a key to our backfield this year. Where is your mind? man your
a lost cause! Are you really a Giant fan, or just throw out what ever you hear & read?

Dye Job
August 20, 2010 8:46 PM

The more I listen to Carbo and Tiki the more I'm starting to believe they may be right. Perhaps the "Little General" has lost control and the players are ready to throw the breadfruit plants off the bow of the Bounty. This season may be more entertaining then I first thought.

The Original Carbo
August 20, 2010 9:21 PM

"Perhaps" the Lil' General has lost the team?? It's a foregone conclusion, Dye. And it happened after the humiliating defeat versus the Saints. He and his Keystone Kops staff had no answers, the players lost faith and all hope, and we saw how the season went down.
Being the bubbly optimist that I am, I'm looking forward to a thoroughly entertaining season. Just not in a 13-3, Candy Land sort of way. If you know what I mean.

August 20, 2010 9:57 PM

David, CT's logic holds- if a player is signed with us, there are no accidents and he's at fault for getting hurt. How dare Eli call a ghost audible, screw up the play and take the chance of getting injured? It's all his fault- no wet pavement, no early morning, no distractions, all on him. Irresponsible hot-dog, trying to rack up another TD in a meaningless game instead of supporting his team.

You should be advocating that he sacrifices a million a week the duration of his injury, to make it up to the organization he thoughtlessly and maliciously harmed with his "Audibler of the Year" act. "Trying as hard as he could"-nonsense! He didn't focus for ten seconds on the play that was called, started freelancing around a professional backfield filled with hostile opponents like he was invulnerable.

I seriously doubt you will ascribe to this position. The question is how many column-inches will you cover framing the rhetorical contortions it will require to parse Eli's accident away from Chad's, and then add in the layer of sarcastic abuse and patronizing assurances you normally divulge when aroused. My over/under is 300 words.

David G.
August 20, 2010 11:28 PM

That's a nonstarter, Al. No refutation required.

August 20, 2010 11:40 PM

Cowboy Boob

Do you think it would pass my scrutiny that you have claimed to converse with CT Giant for a year and that you need to check on MK's cred when he has been posting here longer than me.

You sir are a jack wagon, and a tool.

You want to talk smack, cool, but let's leave that making up crap in the barnyard. OK, Great.

August 21, 2010 12:07 AM

Wow people are getting all worked up over signing Andrews. Most here thought that the Giants needed to upgrade the O-line, and like it or not there were no blue chip OTs there at 15. Bulaga didn't free fall for nothing. Now Andrews who was a mean MoFo that could anchor an OL is out there, and he is super flexible, playing T and G at a high level.

On top he is motivated to show up Philly. And an incentive laden non guaranteed contract.

Andrews might never see meaningful field time, so what, what does it really cost the team? are we worried that we can't find another Guy Whimper or Adam Koets (guys whose soothe might take)

August 21, 2010 12:22 AM

I am starting to get really fed up with the moron trolls dropping in.

Mahatma at first i thought you were just a pinhead, but then I remembered that Ghandi renounced his own sexuality. So I realized that

August 21, 2010 12:31 AM

Mahatma at first i thought you were just a pinhead, but then I remembered that Ghandi renounced his own sexuality. So I realized that it was just your semen backing up and clouding your mind.

By the by, I love how the Giants winning the Super Bowl, beating the Pats who are the team you can't seem to get past, is now worse than getting punk slapped by E's big bro.

Nice try dip stick.


August 21, 2010 12:43 AM

Dick Myers

Since you seem to be mentally disabled (am I insulting the mentally disabled saying that?? I'm not sure). I've grown weary of your infantile prattle. Is your unique brand of lunatic babble unwelcome on the Jets Stream? Looking for a new place to be ridiculed? Come back and talk football or be gone.

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