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Edgar Wright Says Ant-Man Won't Fit With The Avengers

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Soon to be director Edgar Wright talks with 'Cinema Blend on the status of Ant-Man including that it would be an origin film, not being able to fit in Marvel's upcoming Avengers movie.


The lack of Ant-Man had been announced by director Joss Whedon a few hours before the San Diego Comic-Con Panel that assembled The Avengers cast on stage. And apparently Edgar Wright's script for Ant-Man's solo film may explain why the mini Avenger won't make it The Avengers debut, though he was key component to team in the comics. . Speaking with Cinema Blend, Wright says....

"I talked to Kevin Feige about that a while back where we just discussed about whether he would be in The Avengers. The thingis, the script that I’ve written, you know, whether it’s next or not I don’t know, the chronology of it or the way it works wouldn’t really fit in with what they do. And my film is very much an introduction to that character, and so it wasn’t something where it felt right to introduce him in that film. Maybe if I do the solo Ant-Man film and maybe there’s a later Avengers then they could draft him in later. But it didn’t work with the kind of the angle that we were going to do with the origin that I’d written."



DCMF - The way I see it is, there is no way Marvel Studios will produce a solo film for Ant-Man, without him being apart of the Cinematic Universe. So despite what Wright says, Marvel can easily weave the current Cinematic Universe with Ant-Man's even if the script doesn't say so. Only if it isn't too out of place of course. But if he really doesn't make in the Avengers live-action debut, you can guarantee he'll make it in the sequel.
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156 Comments

Man, they are just Frakking up Hank Pym horribly at
Marvel!

WTF??????
DDD - 7/27/2010, 6:07 PM
Its Edgars Wrights fault guys not Marvels. They signed him to do an Ant Man movie and he has been writing the script for years and decided to direct Scott Pilgrim instead
Ironbat95 - 7/27/2010, 6:09 PM
wife beaters get what they deserve
P862010 - 7/27/2010, 6:09 PM
He'll probably be in the sequel..
Dynamo - 7/27/2010, 6:09 PM
Its Edgars Wrights fault guys not Marvels. They signed him to do an Ant Man movie and he has been writing the script for years and decided to direct Scott Pilgrim instead
Ironbat95 - 7/27/2010, 6:11 PM
That and as I mentioned this is a huge roster already..we can't have the first big mash-up be a total mess-up. Start out with a core set then expand
Aki87 - 7/27/2010, 6:18 PM
Iron Man was an origin, and they still had fury ask him about the avengers
HULK2099 - 7/27/2010, 6:22 PM
It's hard to get a cast that big together, let alone share screen time and have meaningful arcs for as many characters as they have. They had 7 pretty big time actors on stage at SDCC that are going to be in The Avengers. That's $#@! amazing and we should feel lucky that Marvel's got it right instead of bitching about Ant Man and The Wasp.

I say smoke a joint, rub one out and relax.
80sFace - 7/27/2010, 6:28 PM
Avenger's cast is overdone as it is. Probably several rewrites have been done. We don't need Pym and Wasp, we already have Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, and Cap -- the only completely necessary figures. But, we have added Nick Fury and SHIELD, with many other heroes to tie it together.
Creature - 7/27/2010, 6:28 PM
i want him in first movie

drop the black widow and hawk eye

Ah so that guys to blame. Thanks a heap, Wright.


Juggernaut - 7/27/2010, 6:35 PM
@ Tankgirl Don't be mean now ;) :P
Dynamo - 7/27/2010, 6:38 PM
Tankgirl thats not fair lol theres hot pics! not ugly ones :(
MikeHawk - 7/27/2010, 6:39 PM
@HULK2099

yeah but Iron Man was the first movie he mean it wont make sense to just put Ant-Man in the Avengers before we have a origin. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Cap all going to have a origin story before joining the Avengers
jazzman - 7/27/2010, 6:40 PM
Dynamo i am not trying to be mean

MikeHawk there is ugly pic every where in net
TANKGIRL - 7/27/2010, 6:41 PM
You should see how i tore into the biggest pile of shit CBM ever over there on that Darwin for X-Men:first ass Article.

If it aint BROKE DONT FIX IT..and Marvel right now is bound and determined to make up shit as they go along..so be it.;/
Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 6:41 PM
@Tankgirl- What's up with the picture or should I ask?

Although I would have liked for Pym to be in the Avengers, At least we're hopefully getting a more full-fledged overall better version of the character on film. Better not at all than sucky I guess. Gotta be optimistic. Life's too short.
Upupandaway - 7/27/2010, 6:42 PM
@ Intruder...nobody cares what you wrote on some website, your opinion is amongst millions.Anyways, I applaud you sir for tearing a big pile of shit...thats an accomplishment i bet your momma is proud.geez what a debbie downer you are...theres always that a-hole...damn what a waste of human oxygen.
Erickz - 7/27/2010, 6:46 PM
how could there be a avengers movie without black widow and hawkeye i mean come on?
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xBlaze96x - 7/27/2010, 6:48 PM
oh well. Here comes the screaming
Avalanche731 - 7/27/2010, 6:49 PM
@Tankgirl I know I was kidding.
I actually find it funny how people get deffensive over a bad picture of Scarlett but then they laugh when they post a bad picture of Kirsten Dunst.

In any case, I'm not even sure I wanna see Ant-Man if he's not played by Nathan Fillion. Seriously that guy IS Hank Pym.
Dynamo - 7/27/2010, 6:50 PM
"Hank, you won't be played by Nathan Fillion or be in the Avengers"


Overcross - 7/27/2010, 6:50 PM
What kind of douche would say Ant doesn't fit the Avengers..?
.
Does anybody have creative balls anymore..?
Username - 7/27/2010, 6:52 PM
Good, ANTMAN is ghey, lame, and a childish character and wont fit into this current (real) universe very well.

Can you imagine the mighty THOR, CAP, HULK, and IRON MAN, onscreen headed to battle then some tine guy riding an ant with them.

Giant man is better.
blee947 - 7/27/2010, 6:52 PM
the avengers just have to many characters...maybe in a sequel
secretasianboy - 7/27/2010, 6:52 PM
So this pretty much confirms that Ant Man won't be in Avengers. I really don't care that much anymore, if they feel that excluding him from the Avengers so that they can properly set him up in his solo film is the right way to go, then so be it.
InTylerWeTrust - 7/27/2010, 6:53 PM
@Username What he said was that the film he wrote doesn't fit into the Avengers as they're making it now. As in at the time of the Avengers Hank Pym hadn't become Ant-Man.


Dynamo - 7/27/2010, 6:54 PM
@ericz-You have a personal problem with me?because you seem to cant help yourself screwing with me today.Why dont you just drop dead and get out of my way,because if you have an opinion on me,then keep it to yourself unless i ask you for it.Got it hombre?;)

or else,everytime you make a stupid comment i will be right there to say some remark about it.Just keep it to yourself.
Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 6:55 PM
Oh and I know his powes are different, energy projection and shape shifting, but the name itself jjust turns me off, ANTMAN, seems like it should be a kids catroon, or Nickalodean film.
blee947 - 7/27/2010, 6:55 PM
As much as I love the idea of Nathan Fillion as Ant Man, I'm cool with this. The cast for the Avengers is big enough as it is, and if Edgar Wright has a script he likes that doesn't fit with the Avengers, that seems like best case scenario. I would rather take the best Ant Man story possible over a muddled inclusion in the Avengers.

Still, I would like a very minor Hank Pym appearance if possible in the Avengers. As a SHIELD scientist maybe, with very limited screen time. Only if it fits the story though.
CaptainOtter - 7/27/2010, 6:55 PM
Jesus H. Christ, Just Make Him A Scientist For Shield and Have Him Create the thingy he uses to shrink and BAM! there you go
xBlaze96x - 7/27/2010, 6:55 PM
Intruder, YOU DONTY TALK ABOUT Erickz, he makes me LOOOLZZZZZZZZZZ.
blee947 - 7/27/2010, 6:56 PM
I'm not to worried about Ant-Man. I just want Hank and Jan.
SeaOtterRodgers - 7/27/2010, 6:58 PM
(Sigh) Every article posted about this says the same thing. Ant-Man is not in the Avengers. OK, he was never going to be. Ant-Man movie will be Scott Lang. Hank & Janet will appear in Avengers movie timeline. Things are still being changed around. They may or may not make it into first movie and their alter egos are "undefined", shall we say, at this point.
DogsOfWar - 7/27/2010, 7:00 PM
I dont care if he's your boyfriend...he needs to keep to himself and leave me alone or else this could get nasty.;)
Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 7:00 PM
I really think they could somehow include Hank in the Avengers.
BIGBMH - 7/27/2010, 7:03 PM
I just think we need to be patient - we'll get him soon :) We're already getting an awesome line-up, this has been a great week. Especially if they fit Cheadle in. I'm not gonna complain :) We'll see him next time - I think it's better that they do save some things for Avengers II anyway.
Joker08 - 7/27/2010, 7:07 PM
Ant-Man is the first to like the name Avengers..
.
FAIL without Hank Pym..
.



Username - 7/27/2010, 7:09 PM
Intruder, what are you going to do, use ALL CAPS on him????? Punch him over the internet....exactly HOW is it gonna get nasty...

Shut Up !!! Pictures, Images and Photos
blee947 - 7/27/2010, 7:09 PM
@Intruder- sorry man, Erickz was funny. You have to take it as it is. Did you seriously tell someone you don't know to "stay out of my way" on a message board? It's just... priceless. Thick skin brotha.
SeaOtterRodgers - 7/27/2010, 7:10 PM
welllll, ANTman wouldnt fit of course, but GIANTMAN would ya bonehead director man. ya make the antman movie and at the end credits pym is in his lab and says something like "eureka! ive done it!" and u see him start growing and it cuts off. then in the avengers, fury is assembling a team and pym shows up. stark is like "riiight, your the ant-guy right? what could you possibly offer this team?" and pym goes all giant man on em. cap says something like "we need every good man we can get" . fury nods and he's in. of course wasp is along with him. it is kinda dumb to say ant man doesnt fit the avengers, since he's giant man when he's in the avengers, at least in the beginning, and he's one of the founding members for cryin out loud! he fits more than black widow or war machine (which i doubt will be in there) and really for the first movie, more than even cap.
manofmidgard - 7/27/2010, 7:12 PM
@Intruder- sorry man, Erickz was funny. You have to take it as it is. Did you seriously tell someone you don't know to "stay out of my way" on a message board? It's just... priceless. Thick skin brotha.
SeaOtterRodgers - 7/27/2010, 7:15 PM
That damn ericz is stalking me on here.lol..three times on differant boards he just was talking junk about me and i havent said a damn thing about him.lol..he might have a man crush or something..so yeah,he needs to stay outta my way! ;D


Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 7:17 PM
Dogs: I'm with you man. It has been reported many times that Wrights Ant Man movie would feature Scott Lang, NOT Hank Pym. So far, every report and statement coming from Whedon, Wright and Fiege states that Ant Man will not appear in The Avengers.

Not a single one of these reports have said one damn thing about either one of the Pyms not being in this or the next Avengers movie. Hank Pym can be in The Avengers as Goliath, Giant Man or my favorite Yellowjacket. Hell, he could be in the movie as just plain old Hank Pym.

With all this news and speculation surrounding the character I find it very unusual that not one single person from Marvel has debunked anything using the name of PYM. That includes Janet.

Now that I think about it, last year when Fiege went down the list of original Avengers, he used the name Giant Man not Ant Man.
Hawksblueyes - 7/27/2010, 7:21 PM

blee947 - 7/27/2010, 7:22 PM
i don't mind this avengers is just introducing them... probably... antman can come later...
otherside - 7/27/2010, 7:22 PM
@blee947-Lol..actually thats pretty funny.


Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 7:26 PM
@ blee...thanks honey for backing me up ;) ... and oh yes...i have nothing else to do but to follow around some gay guy...hahahaha wow thanks god i'll be heading back to college, i've been spending way too much time here.
Erickz - 7/27/2010, 7:27 PM
I'm glad you can take a joke...TRUCE!
blee947 - 7/27/2010, 7:28 PM
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Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 7:29 PM
HAHAHA.Its cool.Truce.;)
Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 7:31 PM
lmao @ Blee
Juggernaut - 7/27/2010, 7:31 PM
Of course everyone thinks Ant-Man is stupid. But they wouldn't if there was more focus on Hank Pym himself and GIANT-MAN! All this Ant-Man talk has turned Pym into a joke when he's probably had the most serious story-line of any mainstream Marvel character, even moreso than Stark and his 'Demon In A Bottle' storyline. Pym is a GREAT character and I find it to be a disgrace the way he's denigrated over and over because of how silly people find Ant-Man. A person who can shrink or grow giant-size is way cooler than anyone makes it out to be.
MarsAmbassador - 7/27/2010, 7:33 PM
f--k an antman solo film...it never even made it as a solo comic!!!
wright is gonna do an antman film? wtf this isnt a humorous character...tis one of the most serious characters in MU...wife-beating and all!!!
sheesh...marvel is doing shit by giving this to him...
AND THE PYMS CAN BE WORKED IN VERY DAMN WELL TO THE FILM...VIA THE ULTIMATE ROUTE...
edgar wright is full of shit on this topic and needs to get simon pegg/nick frost to kick his ass
Anil Rickly - 7/27/2010, 7:33 PM
lol I see Intruder is still crying about everything lololololololol whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! BUT I LIEK TEH ORIGINAL AVENGERS!! I LIEK TEH ORIGINAL XMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!
CaptainAmerica - 7/27/2010, 7:33 PM
captainamerica@-who doesnt?Its obvious your not a real fan.Why are you even on this site?lol
Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 7:37 PM
Thank u Tank Girl for that pic... If only u could have seen my face while I was scrolling down and came up on it
telavizion - 7/27/2010, 7:38 PM
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blee947 - 7/27/2010, 7:38 PM
CHOOSING BLACK WIDOW (POORLY CAST) AND HAWKEYE INSTEAD OF FOUNDING AVENGERS LIKE THE PYMS? THIS MOVIE IS A TICKING TIME BOMB. EVEN IN THE ULT UNIVERSE THEY'RE PREVALENT AND IMPORTANT, NOT JUST THE 616 UNIVERSE. PLUS RECASTING A CRUCIAL CHARACTER? IF TIH IS TRULY MEANT TO BE IN MARVEL'S FILM CONTINUITY WHY RELEASE A TOP GROSSING FAN FAVORITE ACTOR FOR SOME RANDOM ACTOR, B/C THE HEAD HONCHOS ALL OF A SUDDEN SPECULATE THAT "HES REALLY A SHADOW OF BILL BIXBY". IF THEY FELT THAT STRONGLY ABOUT IT THEN HE COULDA BEEN PICKED FROM THE START. HIS BIT PARTS IN MOVIES WERE TOO TIME CONSUMING? LOL. THIS FILM IS SET-UP TO FAIL. I AINT A MARVEL SHARE HOLDER BUT I'D BE GETTING OUT NOW IF I WAS. THIS HAS A "WATERWORLD" TYPE OF FAILURE WRITTEN ALL OVER ITS HACKNEYED VISAGE. EVEN A "FAN FAVORITE DIRECTOR" WHOSE MOVIES UNDER-PERFORM (AND IS ONLY RELEVANT TO PEOPLE IN "OUR CIRCLE"). I MEAN HIS CLAIM TO FAME IS BUFFY! OTHER THAN AN ENSAMBLE CAST HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE ULTIMATELY. HE HAS 2 FAILED TV SHOWS (DOLLHOUSE, AND FIREFLY. FIREFLY GOT A MOVIE BUT IT BOMBED!) AND 1 SO-SO SHOW (ANGEL). HIS BIG CLAIM TO FAME IS BUFFY AND THATS AFTER REWORKING THE PROPERTY FOR YEARS AFTER A FAILED FILM ATTEMPT. THIS MOVIE WILL MAKE WHAT MONEY IT DOES OUT OF PURE CURIOSITY, NOTHING ELSE. IF WHEDON REALLY RESPECTED AND LOVED THE SOURCE MATERIAL THE PYMS WOULD BE THERE!
dellamorte1872 - 7/27/2010, 7:41 PM
I am a fan, im just not an idiot like you.
CaptainAmerica - 7/27/2010, 7:41 PM
China called, they want their wall back
CaptainAmerica - 7/27/2010, 7:42 PM
What a waste this site is most of the time. Just like every other Internet message board where the same people post every single day, it turns into a bunch of moronic timewasting posts where people stop talking about the article in lieu of talking about each other. Grow up, morons!

And Edgar Wright needs to go away. His Scott Lang Ant-Man movie may have been a great idea 3 or 5 years ago, but he missed his window of opportunity and the Marvel Cinematic Universe is far more important. I can't believe they'd leave out Hank Pym and Janet (TWO FOUNDING MEMBERS) just because it doesn't fit with his quirky stand-alone movie. Would I like to see it? Absolutely! But it has to fit with what Marvel is doing or it shouldn't be made. 'nuff said.
MarsAmbassador - 7/27/2010, 7:42 PM
Blee and captainamerica are...

Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 7:42 PM
Where's the love everybody?
DCMarvelFreshman - 7/27/2010, 7:43 PM
Moderator, can you PLEASE clean up this ridiculous thread? Seriously.
MarsAmbassador - 7/27/2010, 7:45 PM
HAWKS@ You are so RIGHT it's not funny!

Just because Ant-man isn't in AV-1
doesn't mean Hank & Jan ain't! They
can just be married scientists sub-
contracting out to S.H.I.E.L.D.

When HULKY attacks, WHAM, BAM, there's
the Pyms as YJ and Wasp! Or no code
names at all just a giant guy and a
tiny bug-woman. They never gave a code
name to Black Widow.

YJ & Wasp, now that has a damm fine
ring to it!!!! And it really sounds
hip!

I don't know why Wasp sounds so
bad to some people...she's tiny but
she does have a BIG STING!!!!

She could fly up Hulks nose and
buzz around in his head and drive
him nuts till he punches himself in
his stupid head and knocks himself out!
LOL
DDD - 7/27/2010, 7:47 PM
Im done.seriously.:)

Come on blee i thought you called truce ;D
Integrity . - 7/27/2010, 7:48 PM
yea, please get rid of marsambassador.
CaptainAmerica - 7/27/2010, 7:48 PM
@tankgirl- Really? You're going to post a pic of Scarlett when she was like 14 years old? Stop being jealous cuz she completely blows you out of the water. That's sad.


@DDD- How is Marvel [frick]ing up Hank Pym? By not having him in the Avengers because he wasn't introduced in a solo film or another film (which is logical) means they are [frick]ing him up? Come on...

If there was an Ant-Man movie coming out next year or in the past couple years, he would be in the Avengers, but that did not and will not happen. They want him introduced properly, not rushed or half assed. I think you should be thanking Marvel right now.
ckal - 7/27/2010, 7:49 PM
@dellamorte

Holy shit man, every single thing you say is so [frick]ing fail. Caps lock just emphasizes this.
ckal - 7/27/2010, 7:51 PM
@MarvelFreshman

Great find man keep up the great work!
ckal - 7/27/2010, 7:52 PM
lol keep spouting your bull @ckal - lol if it makes you feel like the justified one.....
dellamorte1872 - 7/27/2010, 7:53 PM
Please,MarsAassBastard is the real Debbie Downer here. Seriously.
Atomik - 7/27/2010, 7:59 PM
ckal@ they introduced Black Widow without having a
huge back story for her or even a solo movie
and you're gonna tell me that they have to
have a big Hank & Jan movie to introduce them?
That's absurd! They can intro them exactly like
they intro-ed Black Widow.

They can just be working for SHIELD like Natalia
and be suddenly worked into the AVENGERS series,
in AVENGERS 1.

They can then have a Hank & Jan movie in-between
AV-1 & AV-2. Simple! But I don't think they should
get their own movie and especially not with Wright!
He missed the frakking boat! Asshole!!!!!
DDD - 7/27/2010, 8:00 PM
People don't feed trollish behavior!
They can't troll if they don't have
anyone answering them! Hopefully they
will just dry-up and die and wither
away!!!!!!!!

Just ignore the sh!theads!
DDD - 7/27/2010, 8:04 PM
^^^^Yea!!!!11
CaptainAmerica - 7/27/2010, 8:09 PM
@ Ckal: Tankgirl is totally HOT. & Dellamorte's opinion is perfectly respectable. He's got a good point. They really are important fixtures in the marvel U.

so




Juggernaut - 7/27/2010, 8:13 PM
@ blee hey man that post with the dude dancing and the light all...damn i dont know why but it made my head hurt :/ and my eyes too... =P im getting old hahaha
Erickz - 7/27/2010, 8:13 PM
Please,MarsAassBastard is the real Debbie Downer here. Seriously.
Atomik - 7/27/2010, 8:14 PM
@ Erickz: This article

Juggernaut - 7/27/2010, 8:19 PM
How the [frick] do you not have Antman in a god damn avengers movie that he is a damn founder of. [frick]ing shit man Marvel is being stupid as hell. LOL damn I missed the trolling that sucks ;(
Ven0m - 7/27/2010, 8:36 PM
Just look at that comic panel of the first
AVENGERS USERNAME posted up there! All these
people hating on Hank and Jan!

JANET VAN DYNE/PYM NAMED THE GAWDDAMM AVENGERS!
SHE NAMED THEM, FOR PETE SAKES!!!!!!!!!!

AND PEOPLE WANT HER LEFT OUT?????????
THAT IS THE MOST INSANE, INANE, ASININE, MORONIC,
DISLOYAL TO THE AVENGERS, WRONG AS RAIN THINKING
I HAVE EVER SEEN ANYWHERE ON THIS PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!!
DDD - 7/27/2010, 8:44 PM
edgar wright = shit

and joss whedon = good for cosmic marvel but shit for avengers imo
Anil Rickly - 7/27/2010, 8:47 PM
@ DDD Dude I [frick]ing now right? I totally agree with you. I dont understand at all how any true fan can just accept Hank and Jan out of the Avengers. For [frick] SAKE guys they are FOUNDING members! THEY FORMED THE DAMN GROUP!!! /facepalm
Ven0m - 7/27/2010, 8:54 PM
I agree, DDD. Those two NEED to be in this movie. Even if it's just as a cameo as S.H.I.E.L.D. scientists or whatever. Maybe Cap wakes up and wanders around, stumbling into a room where Hank is building Ultron or Vision or something and Janet makes some, "I thought you were hunky from the newsreels, but you're DREAMY in person" comment and Hank snaps at her or something. I dunno. But they should really be in there.

I also think they should use a different actor for every single Bruce Banner scene. It makes about as much sense as it does using a different actor in every movie...
MarsAmbassador - 7/27/2010, 9:01 PM
i agree with you 4 unfortunately we're in the minority apparently
dellamorte1872 - 7/27/2010, 9:26 PM
@della...make me 5...f--k whedon btw
Anil Rickly - 7/27/2010, 9:38 PM
MASS FACEPALM


Username - 7/27/2010, 9:42 PM
@DDD- You get it ...
Username - 7/27/2010, 9:46 PM
ahahahaha Mars ya they need a different bruce banner for every scene! LMAO
Ven0m - 7/27/2010, 9:59 PM
I doubt that they'll move forward with it. Does anyone REALLY think that Marvel is going to let them NOT be in "The Avengers" and show up in their own film, first? I don't. It's a stupid thing to do. I know that Kevin Feige has done some very stupid things, but this would be his worst thing ever. One thing: the two shouldn't be given a film of their own, in the first place. They're not capable of holding up a full length motion picture on their own. I don't care that Hank can grow, he can't hold it up. lol
Another thing: These are two of the founding 5((if you count Hulk)). The backlash that Marvel Studios would feel if they failed to have them in "The Avengers" would devastate them more than anything that they have EVER felt. They'd have to pack a helluva punch in order to recover from it.

In closing: The two NEED to be in the movie. They should be scientists for S.H.I.E.L.D. who end up joining the team in the final act of the film........or competitors of Stark who are asked by Stark to join the team because he knows of what they have worked on.
JJMeylar - 7/27/2010, 9:59 PM
people are hating on joss whedon, saying he has no experience to do the avengers justice, does noone remember jon favreau (elf, zathura) and he gave us two of the best comic book movies ever

scarlett johanssen is still hot in that picture @tankgirl posted, id tap that, even if she was only 14 (no im not a pedophile im 13 lolz)
soperman - 7/27/2010, 10:08 PM
@soperman You liked Iron Man 2? I totally hate where they're taking Tony's character. He's like The Spiderman of the Avengers. He's way too goofy.

And Natasha was a complete was of her character.
gorgeousgeeks - 7/27/2010, 10:25 PM
i loved iron man 2, sure they had some deviations from the comic but it was still awesome. well black widow did pretty much save iron mans life by deactivating whiplashs control on war machine, if she didnt iron would of been killed, and then that [frick]s up some plans for the avengers, like prob no hulk
soperman - 7/27/2010, 10:46 PM
Guess they really don't want Antman or Wasp in The Avengers...SUCKS
AsianAvenger - 7/27/2010, 11:06 PM
Edgar Wright has done no wrong in the past and I doubt he will anytime soon. They'll have Ant-Man in the Avengers just not from the beginning. I'd rather have no Pyms in the first one than wait till 2014 for the Avengers, so we can wait for their origin story too.
Luigi - 7/28/2010, 12:52 AM
People Whedon has never said that there will be no
Hank or Jan! He only said, THERE WILL BE NO ANT-MAN!

Very sly! He didn't mention any Wasp or Yellow jacket
or Giant-man or even Goliath! Just NO ANT-MAN!

I think Hank & Jan will be there they just want it to
be a surprise for dramatic effect, that's what I
think!

Even Wright said no Ant-man, not no Jan & Hank.
DDD - 7/28/2010, 1:06 AM
I think finances is the main thing to blame here.

Marvel Studios is a relatively small studio and like everything else in the movie industry what they do really depends on how well their films perform.

By 2012 they will have released 6 blockbuster films in 4 years. Not too shabby. The only reason they got into this position was the huge success of Ironman 1.

When Wright was intially brought on to do Antman things were going slowly and it was all very early and Marvel, not doubt, were weighing up their options.

When Wright decided to delay Antman (a B list character at best) I am sure Marvel Studios breathed a sigh of relief at the time.

Jump forward a few years and some more successes and now it looks like Marvel and Wright made a mistake in not making Antman earlier so as to be able to include him in The Avengers. But I don't think that is the case.

Antman deserves his own film and orgin story. Avengers shouldn't have too many characters otherswise some of them will be shafted in terms of screen time and meaningful development. And also we haven't even discussed who the villains and supporting cast will be???

DDD@ I am absolutely convinced there will be some Pym easter eggs in The Avengers - even if they don't actually show up in it.
Orphix - 7/28/2010, 1:42 AM
WHAT!?! Marvel should have pulled their fingers out and introduced Hank and Jan back in Iron Man or one of the other upcoming movies! I get why they want to give the characters a proper origin story first (as they've done with Cap, Thor and Iron Man) but if they can introduce Hawkeye in The Avengers then they could have brought in those two, then covered their origins via flashback or something in a solo movie!
JoshW - 7/28/2010, 3:00 AM
Josh@ I think they wanted to give Wright the option to cast who he wanted and probably has a pretty good story outline of what he wants to do with the character.

Marvel and Wright probably sat down and decided what they wanted to do with him and found it didn't work out with how they wanted The Avengers timeline to go.

I think it is important how you introduce cameos and future characters. I don't think Black Widow was particularly successful in Ironman 2. She just seemed to show up as an advertisement for The Avengers and didn't bring anything meaningful to the story of the film.

I'm worried about Hawkeye appearing in The Avengers for the same reason but I am hoping he gets a meaty role. I could really see him rubbing up Tony Stark the wrong way - especially if Black Widow is the source of competition between them.

I want to see Antman in The Avengers as much as anyone BUT I think he needs a film first to fully explain everything about his complex character before you can put him a multi-character piece like The Avengers. Not many non comic book fans have any idea who he is. I don't believe a brief cameo in another marvel film would have set him up enough to appear in The Avengers.
Orphix - 7/28/2010, 3:57 AM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[frick] the ANT-MAN movie!!!

HANK & JAN in AVENGERS MARVEL or [frick] off!

This is why I was dead set against Ultimate S.H.I.E.L.D in THE AVENGERS, HANK's the cement in AVENGERS not SLJ!



ANTMAN movie would have been cool IF it only cameoed HANK and his suit was stolen!
LEEE777 - 7/28/2010, 4:01 AM
Seriously, we don't need BLACK WIDOW!!!


LEEE777 - 7/28/2010, 4:03 AM
I'd have the Ant Man movie as an Avengers prequel and at the end of the film Hank Pym comes up with the notion of needing a team and submits his proposal to SHIELD for the Avengers Initiative.

Although, wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that Agent Coulson was a cover and he was actually the acclaimed Dr Henry Pym spying on Tony Stark for the government and collecting scientific intel while posing as a fed.
jimoakley666 - 7/28/2010, 4:31 AM
Just as Black Widow didn't need a movie of her own
to intro her, the Pyms don't need a movie to intro
them!

They should be in AV-1! There is no question about
it! Avengers will be all bass-ackward if Hank & Jan
are not in AV-1! ALL DAMM ASININELY, ILLOGICALLY,
AND ERRONEOUSLY BASS-ACKWARD!!!!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 5:30 AM
80sFace@ You got that right!

LEEE777@ Look the bright side! At least we are getting this film!:)
Aaron Eckhart or Patrick Wilson as Ant-Man
and definitely Morena Baccarin as The Wasp
But you are right they should even give them a cameo role than nothing!
AlexDeLarge666 - 7/28/2010, 5:36 AM
Leee@ we don't need Black Widow in AV-1 but
she needs to take the place of Scarlet Witch
in AV-2.

But they do need Wasp and Hank in AV-1! Or
else the story is a lie!

Throw out BW and Hawkeye until AV-2!
But of course that isn't what is happening!
Marvel either has their head
waaaay up their butt or they are saving
Hank & Jan for a surprise in AV-1!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 5:37 AM
Alexdelarge@ their is no bright side to Hank & Jan
being left out of AVENGERS-1! NONE!
This, "at least we're getting a movie", is a crock of
hooey!!!!!!

Jan named the AVENGERS! That is a bald-faced fact!!!!
For her to not be in THE AVENGERS is a damm crime!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 5:43 AM
Orphix@ Black Widow is an even more complex
character than Hank Pym. Yet they just threw
her in there with a veeeery skimpy intro
that didn't explain anything about her at all!

The "Hank & Jan need a movie first" argument
doesn't hold any water at all!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 5:49 AM
thank god. Avengers has enough super heroes to tie in togethor. Movie is gonna be complex as it is. Just look at how they ruined SpiderMan 3, with 3 villains. Venom could of easily held his own in a solo movie. But they had to thrown in Hob Goblin & Sandman which equaled a complete mess. In a 2-3 hr movie span, sometimes less is more.

AntMan isnt needed. Fact
villain001 - 7/28/2010, 5:58 AM
Hank as Giant-man and Jan as Wasp fighting with
the AVENGERS as the FIRST AVENGERS is indelibly
etched into my mind! There are all kinds of
renditions and paintings of this famous iconic
scene all over the damm place!

With Giant-man & Wasp in the Ultimates animated
movies there is multitudes of kids introduced to
this scene! Tons of kids know Wasp and Giant-man
are integral parts of THE AVENGERS!

I can hardly believe that Marvel is going to
leave them out and only put Hawkeye and Black
Widow in there instead!

This is so ludicrous and erroneous it is almost
beyond my ability to express!

WTF MARVEL????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF MARVEL????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF MARVEL???????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 6:02 AM
DDD@ I agree with ya about BW. They messed that up big time. The way she was introduced didn't work at all...THATS why I don't wanna see a repeat performance with Antman. Hank Pym is still a complex dude - he is waaaay confused!

As for Jan naming The Avengers - we already know it has been named cos Fury mentioned the 'Avengers Intiative'. I'm not saying she didn't name them - but if she did that fact has already played out behind the scenes.

Bottomline is there is a 616 universe - a ultimates universe - and now a Marvel Movie Universe. Sometimes they're the same...and sometimes they are COMLPETELY different from each other.

Just the way it's gonna be folks!! And I am sure when Cap and Thor come out we're gonna see some other major differences too.


Orphix - 7/28/2010, 6:06 AM
DDD@ Whoah - calm down my friend!!!

Change that tampon!! ;o)
Orphix - 7/28/2010, 6:07 AM
So Orphix@ you think it's OK that Black Widow is left
in there after she was intro-ed so bad but they
can't intro and do the same with Hank & Jan! That is
some frakked up logic!

They can intro Hank & Jan just like they intro-ed
BW! Not very many people from the public care
about BW's intro into THE AVENGERS! They aren't
gonna care about Hank & Jan being intro-ed that way either!
They'll still flock to the movie!

Hell I don't care about BW being intro-d like that
and i'm a raving AVENGERS fan! I wouldn't care if
Hank & Jan were intro-ed that way as long as they're
in the damm AVENGERS 1 LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO
BE!!!

Man, so many arguments against Hank & Jan cuz people hate
them! Just a bunch of sick excuses so that the characters
they hate won't be in AVENGERS 1!

JUST RIDICULOUS!

DDD - 7/28/2010, 6:22 AM
I can't understand why so many of the fans
of the AVENGERS is taking Hank & Jan's
being left out so wonderfully and sweetly!
WTF? Is everybody just a bunch of sheep now?
DDD - 7/28/2010, 6:29 AM
DDD: Dead-on right, buddy! Couldn't say it any better. Even the filth-infested Ultimates had Giant Man and the Wasp as part of the team. Leaving them out of the Avengers is a huge mistake. I mean, really. How long will it take to explain their background for audience members who are unfamiliar with Giant Man and the Wasp? You could do a reasonable "origin" for them in a minute or less, and get right into the story.

So the big question here is WHY they're doing an Ant Man movie. Ant Man is a fine character as part of a group, but I just don't see him having anywhere near enough mainstream interest or appeal to carry a movie by himself.
comicb00kguy - 7/28/2010, 6:31 AM
I give up!!!!

DDD - 7/28/2010, 6:32 AM
Okay, IDEALLY Hank and Jan would be in the first movie and Hawkeye would be in the second.

HOWEVER, Hank and Jan would probably take a lot more introduction time than Hawkeye, and that's time, IMO, that we don't have with the first movie, which needs to focus on getting the big guns comfortable with each other while having epic action. While Hawkeye and Black Widow have complex back grounds, they can be portrayed principally as professional soldiers. Hank and Jan have to have an introduction of their relationship, an explanation of their powers, etc.

ALSO, Edgar Wright is a fantastic director and one of the few that I think could make a fantastic Ant-man movie. Therefore, if we want to make sure the character becomes more popular and gets the recognition he deserves we should let him do what he wants. Plus, he has hinted that Scott Lang may be the focus, so that doesn't preclude Hank and Jan from being in Avengers without superhero identities.
MassExecutions - 7/28/2010, 6:32 AM
You understand fully comicbookguy@!

At last someone with some intelligence
and thinking of their own!

Ant-man is just Honey I Shrunk the Kids!
It will be a joke no matter who does it!
Hank & Jan should not get their own movie
they are integral and forming members of
THE AVENGERS and that's where they belong!

The Hank Pym Ant-man comic book bombed!
WTF MARVEL?????
DDD - 7/28/2010, 6:37 AM
I have yet to hear anybody involved with The Avengers say Hank Pym, Janet Pym or Janet Van Dyne for that matter, will not be in the movie. In fact, I have seen everyone who has said anything about it, go out of their way to make it clear that Ant Man will not be in the movie. Not once has anyone even mentioned the Pyms.

It's all in the fine print folks. I'm starting to believe more and more that we will certainly see both of them in this movie.


Hawksblueyes - 7/28/2010, 6:44 AM
DDD@ Okay, firstly I don't hate the Pyms - Hank Pym is probably my favourite character (with the exception of maybe Nightcrawler) in the whole Marvel Universe.

Secondly, my logic seems a little more sound than your own. You seem to be suggesting that it is okay to remove Black Widow (who they have taken at least sometime to introduce to the audience and enlarge the world of SHIELD) because they did it poorly in Ironman 2 just so they can make the same mistake with the Pyms all over again in The Avengers? Seriously? SERIOUSLY???

Face it - not that many people care about Hank. Hardly anyone knows who is, was, or what he is gonna be. He keeps changing his freakin identity (when he hasn't got amnesia) about once a decade.

I would LOVE to see Antman in The Avengers BUT only if they did it right WHICH means he needed his own movie first. He didn't get that (for what ever reason)which is a big shame. Take comfort in the inevitable Pym easter eggs that will no doubt pepper the film. :o))
Orphix - 7/28/2010, 6:44 AM
Orphix@ I meant no disrespect to you!
You said you wanted them there too!
That barb wasn't directed at you at all!
I never said "YOU" hated the Pyms!

I never said it was OK to remove BW!
She is already announced and intro-ed!

I just think they could still intro
Hank & Jan in AVENGERS 1 very easily!
I could write a scene for that myself
that would work in the movie and hardly
take up any time at all! They can show
Hank & Jan's background through exposition
throughout the rest of the AVENGERS movies!

I believe like Hawks@ that that is what
they possibly will do!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 6:54 AM
We don't need Natasha in this film, especially the piss poor rendition that they have going on. She's such a waste of a cool, Russian spy.
gorgeousgeeks - 7/28/2010, 6:57 AM
Again Orphix I completely respect you're point of
view! I just said that it was a little bit twisted
logic not to want Hank & Jan intro-ed that way when
BW was already intro-ed that way!

I meant you no offense at all and appreciate your
point of view!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 6:59 AM
@DDD

Man I agree with you and everyone else who is saying that they shoul be in the movie, but I seriously doubt they will be in the incarnations (giant/ant-man and wasp) that we all want to see. That would take much more time to explain why they are like that, and wouldn't you like a respectable explanation for it without taking time away from the other Avengers?

Yeah the Pym's could easily be in the Avengers as SHIELD employees, and they definitely should. I agree they prob should've been intro'd in one of the Iron Mans as well (maybe they wil be in Thor or Cap briefly who knows!).

But like you said, "they missed the boat on this one." It's true.
ckal - 7/28/2010, 7:04 AM
gorgeousgeeks@ but they've already intro-ed her and announced her! It's too late to take her out now!
Same thing goes for hawkeye. But it would be a simple thing to intro Hank & Jan in AV-1 somewhat like
they did Black Widow! But a little better written than they did with BW.
DDD - 7/28/2010, 7:07 AM
@DDD

By the way I'm not nor am I trying to troll. I have never done that and I don't like it when ppl do. I may have come off confrontational because I do that sometimes and I apologize.

Like you also said "I meant you no offense at all and appreciate your
point of view! " I see your love for the characters and feel your pain.

I will try to respond in a more acceptable manner because I realize my posts had a lot of venom in them. I just get so revved up about certain things on this site sometimes and some of the idiot things that get posted. I welcome well thought out point of views, not idiot "statements."
ckal - 7/28/2010, 7:10 AM
DDD@ If you say so! Then it has to be true!:D
AlexDeLarge666 - 7/28/2010, 7:11 AM
DDD@ No worries. I wasn't trying to bust your balls! :o)

You're also right about introducing the Pyms the way you suggest in terms of a small scene to include them in the SHIELD setup but I think Marvel and Wright already have plans and ideas for those characters which don't allow for that scenario to happen.

For me, even though that is a big shame, I shall take a heart from the fact that Hank and Jan will get their own movie directed by Edgar Wright - someone I have been a big fan of since Spaced. :o)

Just think - by the time that one comes out Dr Strange (by Del Toro??), Black Panther (by Edward Zwick??) and Ironfist (Quentin Tarrantino??)could all be in the works. Imagine all the crossover points those characters could have in those films. And possibly what it might mean even for the second Avengers film???

Admittedly all those directors are wish fulfillment. ;O)
Orphix - 7/28/2010, 7:12 AM
ckal@ they've never said anywhere any place
that Hank & Jan aren't in the AVENGERS 1.

They have only said ANT-MAN ain't there!
Like Hawks@ said, read the small print! lol
I have a sneaky feeling they will be there
in some kind of capacity.
DDD - 7/28/2010, 7:14 AM
Orphix@ It may be wishful thinking but I like how you think! lol

You may be right about them being in AV-2 after a
Hank & Jan film but Hawks@ and I may be right too!

But, yeah, just thinking of all those guys in AV-2
is awesomeness!!!!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 7:18 AM
I'm pretty sure Wright had mentioned his film would be a "second-generation" Ant-Man, with an older Hank as a supporting character but that may have changed by now, it was a while back
JohnnyKrypton - 7/28/2010, 7:20 AM
@DDD

Yep I've thought that and heard other people say it as well. I think I said that in my post too but to clarify and agree with you, yeah, I think it is pretty safe to say they Hank and Jan will have cameos/intros in the Avengers!

It would have totally been awesome to see the original team (counting Captain America as one of the originals), but I just don't think it will work out that way unfortunately. But I think Black Widow and Hawkeye will be fun subs for them for sure! There is the female presence who kicks ass, and Hawkeye is also the man! It's not all that bad! =)

Although I would MUCH rather see GIANT MAN than Ant-Man as I'm sure most people would!
ckal - 7/28/2010, 7:23 AM
@DDD

I wonder if near the end of the film Hank discovers the Pym particles (on or off screen) and then Nick Fury does his typical cliff hanger-ish talk about what happened and what is going to happen and set it up for a Pym solo movie.
ckal - 7/28/2010, 7:27 AM
Well if Wright, Whedon and Marvel can sort out the casting between them (not impossible as they have all been seen meeting one another?...

And Wright can pen a story in which the Pyms are already SHIELD members before he becomes Antman??...

then maybe...just maybe....

...PYM CAMEO IN THE AVENGERS!!!

;o)
Orphix - 7/28/2010, 7:27 AM
I accept your apology ckal@!
And I apologize for reacting
a bit harshly with you! I'm
trying to quit! lol

Guess I better get the anger-patch!
lol

Yeah, it might work out or it might not
to get Hank & Jan in there in AV1. Oh,
well!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 7:34 AM
It would be nice Orphix@!

We can hope I guess! It'll
be a long time before we find out
for sure!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 7:36 AM
I'm not really actually crazy angry
at anybody on here about Hank & Jan!

I really just don't understand the real haters of
Hank & Jan who don't want them there at all,
ever!

DDD - 7/28/2010, 7:39 AM
=) By the way I'm going to start using your 'AV1' to describe they Avengers movies, hope you don't mind! Even though it gives me horrible memories of the 'AVP' movies lol.

Although I would say that is the minority of opinions, I don't like how certain people are hating on them and don't want them there either. Yes, there may be cooler characters with more interesting powers or something, but its true, they are 2/5 of the founding members and that makes their inclusion seriously important.

I'm sure when Marvel first decided they were making AV1 they were going to have the ant/giant man and wasp, but like we already beat to death, it won't work it that way.

I think Marvel is totally dedicated to giving fans of Marvel and their comics what they want. They have done it so far very well, and probably will deliver with Cap and Thor.

But we have to remember one thing:

These movies aren't JUST being made for comic book fans who know the material. They are also being made for general movie going audiences who think the material, past movies, and trailers look good enough to pay to see. Marvel, like a good company, is trying to attract more customers and grow everyday. Unfortunately, non comic readers don't know who the original members are, so Marvel I'm sure has decided to bite the bullet on this one, since overall it probably won't be a huge deal since they will get their own movie and probably intro's and cameos soon enough anyways!


ckal - 7/28/2010, 7:52 AM
ckal@ be my guest with the AV thingy!
(I forgot all about AVP, whoops!lol)

That is very true! These movies aren't
just being made for raving fans like us!
Oh, well!
DDD - 7/28/2010, 8:00 AM
DDD im right there with you bud. I dont understand how any fan of the avengers can actually say they are ok with Hank and Jan not in this movie. Marvel is slapping fans right in the [frick]ing face with this shit. It better be a damn ruse and they better be in this movie one way or another.
Ven0m - 7/28/2010, 8:45 AM
im sure black widow and hawkeye wont be avengers
deadpoox - 7/28/2010, 8:56 AM
Why not introduce Ant-Man and the Wasp in The Avengers, then make the standalone Ant-Man film a prequel showing their origins? There you go. Problem solved, everyone's happy.
Flagg - 7/28/2010, 9:54 AM
[frick] THIS BULL SHIT [frick] CHRIS EVANS [frick] THAT NEW FAGGOT ASS BRUCE BANNER [frick] BLACK WIDOW AND HAWKEYE AND FINALLY [frick] MARVEL STUDIOS IF THEY DONT HAVE HANK AND JANET IN THIS MOVIE
elephantknowsbest - 7/28/2010, 9:58 AM
@gorgeousgeeks- I enjoyed IM2. I read some of the 70's arcs and that is Robert Downey's Iron Man. (i.e. A scene in Demon in a Bottle where he's hitting on a flight attendant and saying he has to drink for both Iron Man and Tony Stark.) Black Widow wasn't horribly introduced as much as she really wasn't introduced at all. They established her as a bad-ass and that's about it. That leaves a lot of room for intrigue, mystery, and Russian accents. I see the character in that movie as a more fully formed Easter Egg.

@DDD- Marvel's been doing a lot of fan service thus far and I think that will continue. It's just that different fans like different things as well.

@Ven0m- The only thing about that is that you can be a fan of the Avengers, but not of those characters. I love the Avengers, but think that the Wasp is one of the most poorly written female characters in the Marvel U (Squirrel Girl's better IMO.) : ) I like Hank Pym, though. But, again, Marvel has been doing a lot of fan service in these films, but we can't get everything we want. (I like She-Hulk, but don't think anything's coming forward on that.)
Upupandaway - 7/28/2010, 10:02 AM
I am piss off Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne are more and more likely NOT be part of the Avengers movie, even though there is a good possibility they make an cameo in the movie, but you know when they first X-Men film came out, they line-up wasn't anything like the classic X-Men cast, remember? In the movie it was Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, Professor X and Wolverine with Iceman and Kitty Pryde as an small role. The movie was still enjoyable and some fans like it so you know what? No biggie! Hank and Janet can still be in the movie as Shield scientist and are admire so much of the superhero that are in the Avengers that Hank Pym thought up a crazy way to be part of the team! I'm sure Ant-Man will come out the same year as the Avengers and Ant-Man and Wasp will join the team in the sequel.
wolverinesfury - 7/28/2010, 10:41 AM
I am with DDD, Comicbookguy, & Ven0m. This isn't just a mistake. It's a pointless retarded mistake.

I still think the movie will be great. I am sure it will be excellent and amazing anyway.

Nevertheless it's still something of a [frick] up.
Juggernaut - 7/28/2010, 11:15 AM
There is a very simple solution to this. Hank Pym should be in The Avengers as Ant Man and then near the end he can grow and become Giant Man or really any of his other half-dozen personas. The movie Ant Man should be about Scott Lang or Eric O'Grady. When all else fails go back to the comics for ideas. Quite a simple solution, no?
alf benny - 7/28/2010, 12:06 PM
@wolverinesfury But there's a huge difference with X-Men not having the original X-Men and The Avengers not being the original Avengers. X-Men was not a Marvel studio film. Marvel shouldn't be making mistakes like this. And also, Wolverine and Storm are not original X-Men members but they're highly recognized and very popular. Wolverine made those movies. It sort of would be a shame if they weren't in those movies. The most popular Avengers (original) are Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor. They recast Hulk (will miss Norton) and the only missing pieces would be Ant-Man and Wasp. It's a pointless and stupid mistake that they're making.
gorgeousgeeks - 7/28/2010, 12:38 PM
How can Ant-Man not fit? Are they aware that he can shrink?
gorgeousgeeks - 7/28/2010, 12:39 PM
Unacceptable. Fix it.

@blee947 - What an asanine comment! Ant-Man and Giant Man are the same guy! DUH! Even if you knew that I'm still lambasting you for saying something so stupid!
JonF - 7/28/2010, 2:40 PM
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