At UFC 118, lightweight champ Frankie Edgar still fighting to prove himself

UFC lightweight champion Frankie Edgar (12-1 MMA, 7-1 UFC) believes there's no one quite like B.J. Penn (15-6-1 MMA, 11-6-1 UFC) to get him ready to fight.

Edgar said taking the belt from "The Prodigy" at UFC 112 has done great things for his confidence, but he also knows it would be a severe mistake to get too comfortable.

He's done his best to make a fresh start when the two square off again at UFC 118 this Saturday at Boston's TD Garden.

"I try not to even think about the title," Edgar said. "This is a totally new fight for me whether it's a title defense or a new fight, old fight – it doesn't matter. It's all the same to me."

The 28-year-old Edgar turned in one of the upsets of the year when he put an end to Penn's two-year reign as lightweight champion. The Toms River, N.J., native did what many thought couldn't be done when he stifled the champion's vaunted striking game and scored two takedowns. Although many observers differed on how the action was scored, those takedowns proved to be a deciding factor, with all three judges awarding him a decision on scores of 50-45, 49-46 and 48-47.

Edgar returned home to a hero's welcome and promptly came back to earth when his second son, Santino, was born a month-and-a-half from the April 10 fight.

There's a long line of contenders waiting in the wings for a shot at the 155-pound belt, including Kenny Florian and Gray Maynard, who battle earlier on UFC 118's main card in what could be a title eliminator. But Edgar is just fine with making them wait.

"I still hold B.J. in high regard," he said. "I mean, he's a legend in this sport and he is still the greatest lightweight of all time. So that's just great for me to fight him because ... for the last fight it made me force myself to bring the best out of me, and now I have to do that again.

"I am sharp as iron, and I think B.J. is really bringing the best out of me."

In preparing for Saturday's fight, Edgar said he and his camp have tried to anticipate how Penn is going to change up his strategy from the first meeting, and how in turn they're going to respond.

He said that while he'd like to repeat his success in taking Penn down again, he's more than fine if the fight stays on its feet.

"B.J.'s a very smart fighter and he's got a good team around him, and I know he's going to come in with a great plan to counter my last fight," Edgar said.

If there's one thing Edgar isn't focused on, it's the judges.

"I really can only focus on myself and what I can do in there," he said. "I really can't worry about what the judges are going to do. I just have to go in and try to (stick to) my gameplan and try to sway the judges my way. But I really can't focus on what their objectives are."

Oddsmakers give Penn the edge in retaking the title on Saturday at -325 to Edgar's +250. Not much of a vote of confidence for a champion, but Edgar isn't too bothered by it. Neither are his friends and family, whom he says will be out in force at the TD Garden and ready to wager a few Benjamins.

"I think my last three or four fights I've been the underdog," Edgar said. "So it's a role I'm becoming comfortable with, so I seem to perform pretty good in this position."

While the role of champion puts a special kind of pressure on the mind, Edgar said his confidence is growing with every fight.

Penn is coming to take his head off, anyway, so he really has no choice but to tuck his chin and go forward.

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Juldog909 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:13 pm ET
Man I hope BJ drops him than submits this dude WAR BJ!!!!!!!
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:15 pm ET
Yeah, dude needs to engage!  Stop being like the Taliban!!  lol

On a serious note.  I have on BJ also winning the rematch.  Please tho, no more rematches!!!
 

mymin on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:26 pm ET
If its close i could see a rubber match IF BJ wins
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 11:50 pm ET
Its not gonna be even a near hair thin close decision this time.  Only thing that can happen to warrant a rematch is REF messed up on the fight!
 

Celmare on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:33 pm ET
How about no more commenting about no more rematches.
 

thecitythesky on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:59 pm ET
I think that in the case of Penn/Edgar and Rua/Machida that the quality and parity in the fights and their decisions totally warrant the rematches; if for nothing else than for the victor of the first contest to remove any doubt from the minds of the fans, to be respected as the champions that they are.  With Rua it validated a lot of the criticisms of the initial decision.  In that fight, as with Penn/Edgar, I'd've been in favor of an immediate rematch regardless of the way that the decision went [upset or repeat].  It's fair to give BJ a chance to show why he's the better fighter that may have lost a subjective decision, for in fight as well as outside factors; and for Edgar its a chance to absolutely solidify his position as champ.

Situations like Sonnen/Silva, Mir/Big Nog are more cut and dry, a clear loss.  But many of the recent wash of rematches are related to given a guy who lost my a touch on the cards a chance at redemption... I don't know, but I wanted to see Machida/Rua and Penn/Edgar II.   I'd like it to not become a trend, but these are fine.
 

tutu on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:39 pm ET
think frankie will beat him again, but more convingcingly. HE HAS WAY FASTER HANDS than BJ, better footwork, and movement, cardio, and  younger and keeps improving. i dont know where BJ goes from here after he loses again, his legend is forever gone, and it will be time for retirement, before he becomes the gatekeeper of the LW division. I think even jose aldo would destroy him, if he ever decides to move up from FW,  BJ has allways been a legend in his own mind.
 

mulletbum on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:54 pm ET
What are you talking about? I hate BJ and even I am not delusional enough to say he will be a gatekeeper. The last fight wasn't wont even in convincing fashion. Even if Penn loses Kenny Florian will take the belt from Edger and then BJ will take it back from Kenny. BJ is still is one of the best light weights in the world. Hands Down. Period.


and I don't like him one bit.
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:01 pm ET
by reading your comment, looks like you sure like him man.

True tho, say if he loses he'll beat Maynard or Kenny after they take the belt from BJ.

Edgars style is hard for BJ to counter since Edgars always moving. Granted he's quick!
But when BJ connects or corners him...you can say its all over!!
 

machinegun on Aug 24, 2010 at 9:38 am ET
I disagree, its one thing to "like" a fighter. Its a whole different thing to respect him as one of the best fighters in the world. 
 

tutu on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:05 pm ET
If bj loses again, i think he will be a gatekeeper. What is definition of gatekeeper?someone that is a stepping stone in order to get to the champ, and if bj loses again, itsa going to take someone with better standup than bj to defeat frankie. Actually i think with the new generation of fighters coming up anyway, and fact bj has never really been internally motivated, will be his biggest obstacle. other fighters are constantly improving, and catching up to BJ, even florian when he fogut him a few yrs ago was winning the standup, but was taken down, if they fought now think florian would beat him also, since he has been training with GSP on wrestling and takedown defense for a few yra now. I just think the hype around BJ will be gone forever if he loses 2 in a row to the same opponent, specially one who is a natural  FW, and problably doesnt even cut weight to make 155. BJ penn is  not a top PnP when you lose to a much smaller man .
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:29 pm ET
Even if he loses to Frankie how does that trasnlate into beinga gatekeeper?
Also, Florian fought Penn basically a year ago..not a couple years.
 

tutu on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:51 pm ET
a yr  can make a big difference, even though it was more than that, but even on that fight i think kenny was winning evry round, untill bj chocked him out. kenny has improved greatly, while bj stopped evolving long ago. IF you dont believe me look at the first and second GSP fights. the first was halfway competitive, in the second, it was obvious bj didnt belong in the same ring with him, and basically threw in the towel to save himself further embarrassment.
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:57 pm ET
They fought in August of 09.

The GSP/BJ example is pretty bad, imo. GSP is a different fighter compared to then. He has some of the best TD's in the game now. Let's not forget that Georges has also been slowly adding more muscle to his frame as well. There is a reason why there are two seperate weight classes apart.

So many people were saying Kenny was going to beat Florian when they fought because he was so well rounded and had superior conditiong. Yeah, that worked out great. Penn has excellent TD defence, good hands, iron jaw and damn good bjj. He is well rounded like no other. GSP is just a complete athlete. Most couldn't and wouldn't stop his takedowns.(as we have seen for how long now)
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:58 pm ET
beat penn
 

ThanksToHoyce1 on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:15 pm ET
You forgot KO power, something Edgar does not have.
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:18 pm ET
That was going along with the good hands. I should of been more specific though. Good hands don't equal ko power always.
 

Shujinkydink on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:25 pm ET
Edgar dropped matt veach. He's got some power
 

ThanksToHoyce1 on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:33 pm ET
You've been watching submission of the week huh? lol

Well it's true he dropped him, I would still say he doens't have KO power but it would be a never ending argument. He knocked him, so I will leave it there.
 

tutu on Aug 24, 2010 at 11:54 am ET
correction gsp has the best TD's in the game, not some of the best, also he has the best takedown defense, he has been on his back less than any MMA fighter, and he also has the best MMA wrestling in the game, so yeah your right, GSP is a special case. GSP has also brutally avenged his only two losses, which BJ will never do, because  he will never beat GSP, and I have a feeling frankie is going to run circles around him again. If BJ ever does move up, instead of being granted title shots, he should work his way up, and have to beat b level fighters like hughes first, then if he can do that give him some top 5 talent like fitch, alves,kos, etc, but even those fighters are much bigger and would destroy him.The days are gone when you can win only on skill, size matters, especially since MMA fighters in all weight classes are so highly skilled nowadays
 

ShotokanMan123 on Aug 24, 2010 at 4:15 pm ET
I like your thought process!

Bj takes Edgar (Horribly bloody fasion) then kenny, maybe George. Then moves up, Takes Hughes, maybe a top 5, then Kos for the belt.

 

ThanksToHoyce1 on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:13 pm ET
His first fight with GSP halfway competitive? where a lot of people thought he won the fight? Bj Penn is the first and only person to win a round against GSP to start with. GSP won by split decision... you can never say it was not a competitive fight.

A fighter don't throw the towel to save itself embarrassment. Besides I don't the why BJ would be embarrassed, he fought the champion of a heavier weight class and lasted 4 rounds.

IMO Bj Penn can take this fight to the ground and submit Edgar. Bj was 2-3 fights away from cleaning out the division so how can you say he should be the gatekeeper? 
 

chasetheface on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:54 pm ET
BJ did move up in weight to fight GSP, but it's not like that was his first fight there. He held the welterweight title years ago. BJ lasting four rounds with GSP is not an accomplishment because Alves, Hardy, and Fitch all made it through the five rounds with GSP. Granted, BJ took more damage in his fight than Alves and Hardy did, but still they didn't quit. In my opinion Jon Fitch took more of a beating than BJ did and he stuck it through the entire fight. Fitch may not be exciting, but I think he has a lot more heart than BJ Penn does. Fitch even reversed position and was on top of GSP at some point in time in that fight, although not for long.
 

ThanksToHoyce1 on Aug 23, 2010 at 9:30 pm ET
1- With your reasoning Bj can fight with Lyoto Machida because he fought at Lightheavyweight once. And you even said it, it was years ago.

2- Who took more damage is subjective, you can't prove that, so it's not granted. Btw maybe it had nothing to do with damage, Bj could've been gassed.

3- Bj almost beat GSP, Fitch and Alves were not even close.
 

edgybuck on Aug 24, 2010 at 8:56 am ET
BJ has already fought Machida...K-1...Machida won by decision.
 

tutu on Aug 24, 2010 at 11:59 am ET
yeah there are alot of bj fans that thought he won the first fight against GSP. Give me a break, all he did was poke GSP in the eye, and clip his nose, after that its been all gsp, so yeah BJ won the first round, and GSP has won the last 6 rounds they have fought, and the way GSP is evolving, he would toy with BJ penn even worse than last time, and instead of BJ quitting in the stool this time, Bj would be taken out in a stretcher
 

ThanksToHoyce1 on Aug 24, 2010 at 12:25 pm ET
No, he didn't just clipped his nose or poked him in the eye......his face was a mess due to Bj's heavy hands.
I would like to see a rematch, maybe Penn will be able to use his rubber guard. For some "strange" reason he couldn't apply it the last time.

And by GSP evolution, are you talking about his Physique? because his BJJ nor striking seems to improve.
 

ShotokanMan123 on Aug 24, 2010 at 4:11 pm ET
Yea clipping the nose causes it to get mashed halfway up to your eyes with a cut across it and leave it bleeding from 3 places.

And getting poked in the eye makes you have gashes on your face and swelling so bad it impairs your vision.

All GSP did in that fight was get his face mashed and hold BJ down for 2 rounds, which isnt exactly difficult when Bj is content to hold him down and immobilize him with his guard.

The guard that was remarkably effective in their first fight, for some weird reason. Bj's legs just gripped right onto his back.

GSP sure had a fix for that in his new gameplan for the second fight though, didnt he?
 

jimmyblood on Aug 24, 2010 at 9:38 am ET
Kenny couldn't do anything against BJ, whose stand up was far superior. (not sure what fight you were watching.) To say BJ will become a gatekeeper is just dumb- He's the best light heavyweight of all time and he'll be a 3 time champ come Saturday night. Edgar had a good game plan in the first fight but this time he'll have to engage more and that will be his downfall.
 

machinegun on Aug 24, 2010 at 9:44 am ET
Exactly what I was thinking.. I was there live, and the entire time everyone knew Kenny was getting beat.
Tutu's comments today seem like theyre based on a half hour of youtube videos he sped through in 5 minutes.
 

tutu on Aug 24, 2010 at 9:50 am ET
LOL, hope you are right, because what happens to BJ, and all his delusional fans if BJ loses to frankie again. A fighter that doesnt even have to cut weight to make 155. I will laugh my ass of if bj loses, because that will be the end of his legacy
 

ThanksToHoyce1 on Aug 24, 2010 at 12:43 pm ET
Why are you laughing? Bj Penn does what your beloved GSP will ever do. Fight bigger opponents.
 

tutu on Aug 24, 2010 at 1:13 pm ET
I dont know when they gave frankie the belt it  was too big for his waist, since he has to eat just to make the 155lb limit. LOL. ONE DIFFERENCE between gsp and bj is that gsp has only two losses , both avenged, by destroying his opponents. It doesnt really matter how big GSPs opponents are, fitch, and alves, and hardy are all bigger and heavier than him, but still took them down at will and toyed with them. HE ALSO DOES THAT IN HIS CAMP against LHWs like rashad, even if GSP weighed 145 LBS HE WOULD DESTROY bj, because his takedowns are unstoppable, he is a great fighter because of skill, and athleticism, that bj cant match, just a better, more well rounded fighter.
 

ThanksToHoyce1 on Aug 24, 2010 at 7:43 pm ET
You just hate the guy who's nickname is "prodigy"....there's not much to talk about.

His natural weight class is lightweight. So take a look at his record and watch his fights at Lw.

And I don't know where you take your info from but GSP taking Rashad down......never seen it. And you are saying if GSP weighed 145 lbs he would destroy bj.........yeah........like if you could prove that.

GSP is not a more well rounded fighter than BJ Penn.......what are you talking about?

Bj Penn has KO power, better BJJ skills, granite chin....what else? I'll give GSP the advantage on kicks, athleticism and takedowns. TD defense they are matched. And I haven't seen many GSP opponents who tried to take him down.....KOS and Fitch...Hughes took him to the ground.
 
 

ShotokanMan123 on Aug 24, 2010 at 4:17 pm ET
Bj did... something to you, didn't he?
 

xXThaidaXx on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:30 pm ET
^ not much a fan either but you jus can't deny his skills
 

Cfranz on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:43 pm ET
Depends on which Bj  shows up. I feel he took Frankie lightly and paid for it.
 

BountyUFC on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:52 pm ET
I still think that this rematch is BS, BJ probably cried like a little biatch to Dana and he was given a rematch

I would like to of seen BJ have a couple more fights before say...Maynard if he wins then possibly Gomi after his win

I would of rather of seen Edgar against Florian i have no interest in this rematch i disagree with it, it wasnt contraversal

BJ lost simple as that he doesnt deserve an instant rematch...Shogun deserved one BJ doesnt.
 

Linux_User on Aug 24, 2010 at 12:51 am ET
I think the instant rematch should not exist at all. These f-ing "mulligans" have got to stop. It's bull. Since when it is OK for an athlete in any sport to get a "do-over"?     756001
 

grapple420 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:13 pm ET
I already laid $$ on Edgar at +250.  He won a 5 round battle, its not like he won with a lucky shot to the back of the head. 

I think BJ will win, but those odds were to sweet to pass up. 
 

tutu on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:41 pm ET
I agree serra beating GSP  with a lucky punch was a fluke, but when you beat a fighter in a 5 round decision its no fluke, and alot of bj nutthugers are going to be sad when frankie, keeps beating him to the punch all night long.
 

Darin770 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:51 pm ET
Do you think Silva's victory over Sonnen was a fluke then? He was definetly lucky to win...
 

tutu on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:14 pm ET
definately, sonnen was right when he said anderson is the champ, but i am the best, and he proved it in the ring. he completely dominated and destroyed anderson, standing, and on the ground, outpunching him around 600-60, to me that was one of the biggest mismatches since GSP vs BJ penn2. i do think it was a fluke silva won, and sonnen would destroy him 9 out of 10 times.
 

mafrank1 on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:33 pm ET
Agreed!,  and very nicely said
 

xXThaidaXx on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:37 pm ET
No, he is not the best because that foo got caught in a triangle choke with like minute and half to go to win the belt and couldn't pull it off. If you were the best you would secure that last minute for the victory. Ain't gonna be no fluke when Anderson Silva is 100%. And what kind of person would make an excuse after a 5 round war victory? The baddest mutha fukin MW champion in history thats who!
 

ShotokanMan123 on Aug 23, 2010 at 9:34 pm ET
Yea.

Silva closed his eyes, threw that triangle straight from the hip and luckily it caught Sonnen on the chin.

Pure luck.

Dumbest f*cking statement of the year Prize is awarded to you. Congrats.

I'm so sick of all these chumps saying Sonnen is better and he beat Silva's @ss and WWAAAAAA Silva is so lucky WAAAAAAA why didnt my guy win WAAAAAA.

If Sonnen was the best he wouldnt have fallen for a 4 round triangle setup. He wouldnt have QUIT after being in a bad spot for all of 20 seconds. He wouldnt have made about 80 mistakes to allow Silva (THE BEST) to beat him.

If he was the best he would have a belt around his waist.

Sonnen isnt even second best. Get over it already, it's quite pathetic.

Oh, and it was about 20 to 289. Sonnen hit Silva 289 times and he couldnt win. Silva hit Sonnen 20 times and literally ripped his face to pieces.

Then Silva beats him using ZOMBIE NOG fighting, after Sonnen ran his mouth about getting a Nog Black Belt in every happy meal. You think that was coincidence? I guess your brain conveniently edited out those details for you.

Getting beat by happy meal JJ makes you the best? Interesting.
 

RollinBoulders on Aug 23, 2010 at 10:18 pm ET
Thank you, thank you, thank you Shotokan.

Tutu has p*ssed me off with about everything he has said in this thread and you took all my hate and put it into words.

And great reference to Zombie Nog fighting.  I've been thinking that for the past few weeks but it didn't seem like anyone else drew the comparison between Silva's performance a few weeks ago and Nog (he made a career of getting his face smashed in before tapping out chumps like Sonnen)
 

rush16 on Aug 23, 2010 at 10:47 pm ET
"Silva hit Sonnen 20 times and literally ripped his face to pieces."

LMAO, little bit of an over exaggeration there buddy. Sonnen looked worse after the Marquardt fight IMO. If his face was even remotly close to being ripped to pieces the fight would have been stopped. The bottom line is before Silva got the submission in the 5th he had absolutly no answer to Sonnen's attack. Fist round was a 10-8 easily. Its safe to say A.Silva got his ass kicked but still won, congrats to him, he better hope he doesnt have to fight Sonnen again.



 

ShotokanMan123 on Aug 24, 2010 at 4:02 pm ET
Maybe you should check out the interview Sonnen did the day after his fight and then get back to me on the "his face not being ripped to pieces thing".

Over exaggeration? You think? No, I actually meant that Sonnens face had been ripped into pieces and was hanging like meat curtains off his skull, obviously.

 I tend to use hyperbole in my speech, like a million other people out there do. Good job calling me out on that!

No answer to Sonnens attack? Cmon dude. His answer was to set up a triangle, which he did for about 4 rounds. Did you see Silva scramble to his feet? Wall walk? Try to sweep? No? K then.

 And then he got it. On purpose. No luck. Just preparation, skill, and daring.

Silva may have gotten beaten up a little bit with body shots, hammerfists to the head from inside the guard,and head slaps(?) but nothing that caused any significant damage.

Chael got his nose broken, his face cut deeply in about 4 places, his ribs bruised, and then got strangled half to death and had his elbow popped at which point he decided he had had enough and quit the fight with 1 minute left.

No exaggeration there my friend.
 

im4u2nv on Aug 24, 2010 at 12:04 am ET
ya i love how people think a guy 4-4 in the UFC will beat a guy who is unbeaten and who finished Sonnen.Anderson was hurt and still beat him.Chael doesnt finish fights and he was hoping for a decision.Couldnt make it so no rematch.Back down Chael,Would like to see him fight Vitor.
 

tutu on Aug 24, 2010 at 1:18 pm ET
sonnen is better than anderson, by your reasoning frankie is better than bj also isnt he?since he has the belt. SOMETIMES winning a fight proves nothing, because evryone knows it was luck, or it was due to carelessness. Serra was the champ also, but i think we all knew he wasnt the best, right, luck happens. LIKE i said if you want to play that game, just admitt frankie is the best, but we all know better right?
 

ShotokanMan123 on Aug 24, 2010 at 4:34 pm ET
My resaoning? Ok, please point to the logic here:

Anderson is the Champ, and he is better than Sonnen because he beat Sonnen soundly without any shadow of a doubt by making Sonnen quit. (A finish decided by Anderson and Chael)

Frankie is the Champ, but he is not better than BJ because he did not defeat BJ without a doubt. At least half of the fans feel that there was no clear winner of that fight (a very contraversial decision handed to Frankie by the judges).

Winning the fight by a decisive finish and having a contraversial decision decide the outcome are two very different circumstances, so the parallel you are trying to draw utterly fails, especially "By my reasoning.

Bjs performance and mannerisims were also so far from his typical self to cast even further doubt on the legitimacy of Frankie's victory. Alot of people feel he got a pass on what kind of test you have to endure to beat Bj at 155.

BUT- if we are going to go off of what 3 old men who had an obstucted view and who don't know a whole lot about what's happening in front of them instead of what actuually happened in the cage then, yes, I suppose you could say Frankie is a better fighter than Bj.

You can say that for about 5 more days, anyway.
 

Celmare on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:32 pm ET
Yep. Part fluke anyway. Sonnen made a critical error and Silva capitalized on it. While it can be said that's the true mark of a champion (to overcome adversity), the fact remains that it was Sonnen's "noobish" mistake in the submission defense (and general gameplan at the end given he DOMINATED Silva for 4 full rounds).
Sonnen keeps it simple, and safe in rd 5 and Silva is embarrased in defeat. Plus there would've been lots of ankle-breaking from jumping off the bandwagon.
It was Sonnen's fight to lose, and he made the error, otherwise Silva wouldn't have won because he could do NOTHING to create an error.
He capitalized on luck.
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:39 pm ET
Sonnen has bad submission defence in general. This is nothing new. As long as he is on the ground he will always be open for submissions. He lets go of wrist control all too often.
 

bigmark on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:53 pm ET
i have to agree with corey on this one sonnen has always had bad sub defense and thats been his downfall... I.E first time he fought paulo filho he was controlling the fight and got caught in an armbar i think...demian maia caught him in prob the most beautiful triangle choke ive ever seen, and babalu also caught him sooo to say it was a fluke i dont really think so i think it was really a matter of time
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:59 pm ET
Right? 8 of his 11 losses are due to submission. It dosn't matter how dominant you are during a fight if you cannot stop submission. They can and will come out of a no where!
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:54 pm ET
Do you care for a rematch?

I don't.
If there is one.  I see KO coming to Sonnen.
Dont know why some fans really like the rematch.
I guess they want to pay again to see Sonnen get KTFO or sub again.
It's gonna be the same thing, pple!!!
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:01 pm ET
I want a rematch soley due to the fact it was entertaining as hell. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

Considering the fight didn't go to decision or anything like that I don't think there needs to be an immediate rematch though. Sonnen already stated he believe he will fight one more time before Silva due to Anderson being out for a bit.

Befort will be back and ready soon. Wonder if they would set those two up?
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:09 pm ET
Man, I know each fight is different with each fighters but imagine if it was Vitor hitting A.Silva instead of Sonnen!

I love to see Vitor knock Silva out.

Vitor vs Sonne will be a good fight that leads up to fight a.Silva, IMO since Silva will be out of commission due to surgery.

I say Vitor will knock Sonnen out standing.  If it gets to the mat...its gonna be Sonnen with the pillow fist all day!
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:17 pm ET
Vitor does pack some serious power. Very dangerous hands on that guy and his boxing only gets better as he gets older. I still think it's crazy he's only 33 after being in the game so long!

I don't know how Vitor would stop the TD's against Sonnen. All it would take is one flush punch and I'd like Befort's chances.
 

im4u2nv on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:13 pm ET
so if Chael would of went 2 more minutes it wouldnt of been a fluke?it would of been IMO.I think this fight was as well.BJ didnt look crisp,IDK if he underestimated Edgar or was hurt but he didnt look right.He may of overlooked him but either way hes not this time.
 

thecitythesky on Aug 23, 2010 at 8:08 pm ET
No.  Because there was no argument again Sonnen losing that fight.  He quit.  BJ lost on judges cards and, to some, disputably.  Such was not the case with Sonnen's tapout.
 

im4u2nv on Aug 24, 2010 at 12:10 am ET
i said if,its hypothetical but Flukes happen.What i call a fluke is if you fight a guy 10 times and win 9/10,there is always that one though.
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:45 pm ET
Frankie can win of course, but the odds are not good enough for me to jump in on it.

I have a feeling BJ will do whatever to atleast close the distance even if that means putting himself out there this time around. He cannot fall into the same gameplan against or it will be a lonnng night.
 

grapple420 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:51 pm ET
Feijao helped my bankroll tremendously, so I can afford to be a little loose.  Man, I wished I would have pulled the trigger on Griggs at like +650!!

I just didnt see anything in that first fight to make me think BJ has this thing in the bag.  2.5-1 odds is good enough for me to drop some on Frankie. 
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:24 pm ET
I'm just pretty confident in Penn this time around. If he cannot close the distance again he will just have to put himself out there. And I think he is willing to do that this time around. With his iron chin and solid sub defence he has no reason not too. That's just me though. I understand where you are coming from.

I wish I was betting on the fights. I was going to do a parlay on Griggs/Souza. I hate to bet on fights that I'm not watching though. I was very confident in Griggs and brought it up numerous times on here. I saw much better odds for the Lashley fight as well. Then again, that was when they were first posted though.

I've been using bodog less and less due to the site I use now has the best reloads and bonsuses in the bussiness!
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:34 pm ET
BTW-Are you a football fan? If you are you should try betting on NFL games. I average about 300-400 a week in winnings on the games.. I basically pay my rent and my bills off! :)
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:58 pm ET
Wow Corey.  That's pretty good man.  Please show me so I can pay my bills too and maybe get Showtime and add HDnet to that! 
Whos your favorite to win superbowl.
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:09 pm ET
It's really not that hard. You just have to pay attention to injury reports and head to head matchups..last years matchups and whatnot. I think it's easier better on football than mma.

Predicting for the super bowl is another animal. I normally don't mess around with that. The odds just are not good. High risk high reward situation. From the NFC I think the Cowboys or Packers will be representing the SB. That's my easy way out answer! :)
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:14 pm ET
hmm...how many players are on a football team?  How many teams are there?  Who's who on each team?
Man, how can you dig all the trash up and do your homework, bet and still win?  Dont' you work?
But I am impress if you do make $$ on it man.
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:20 pm ET
LOL.

I actually just started working again now that I'm settled in.(technically still in training) I'm not working online anymore, but I still get a lot of time on the job where I can read and whatnot, so I just pay attention to the sports section in newspapers and magazines.

 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm ET
That's it?!  Newspaper, sports section and wala...easy money?!

On seriouse note, how much you put in each week to get paid like that?
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:10 pm ET
Sometimes it seems like easy money when the bets are correct. I read up a lot on the net as well...ontop of watching games always.

Anyways, it depends how much I spend a week depending on the odds and if I'm choosing money lines/ or point spreads. Say, one week I'm liking the strong favorites and I'm going the point spread route-I'll typically bet on 3-4 teams I feel comfortable with and normally spend around $400 to win $3-4 ontop of that. Now that can change a lot depending on which style I'm betting and the odds like I said. And if I parlay bets(2 or more bets) that you combine and only win money if both teams win you can spend a lot less and drastically win more. Just giving you the most I typically have to put in to come out ahead nice and that's with strong favorites.

I normally don't bet on preseason games, but I'm I have parlay bets on the patriots and eagles to win their games this week. On that I risk $100 to win $260. Not that bad if it all turns out! Some weeks can be bad though!!

 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:27 pm ET
How little/much can you bet?  Is there any limit?
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:40 pm ET
The minimum on many sites is $5. It's fun even to bet small amounts sometimes. Just makes thing more interesting.
I was just looking at mma matches coming up. If you think Mir is going to beat CC and put $5 down you would only win $2.27 on top of that. Still, if you make smart/confident bets you can slowly build up a little money while playing it safe.
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:55 pm ET
What sites to you bet on for football and mma?
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 8:02 pm ET
bodog and betus are the two main ones.

Betus is my favorite due to their bonuses. You get up to 60% bonus on your first deposit and on reloading your account depending on how much you put in.
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 8:17 pm ET
I'll have to check that out!

Thanks!
 

grapple420 on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:12 pm ET
I use to bet a ton of football games back in college, but since I got back into MMA around 2005, everything else has really taken a back seat.  I dont pay attention enough to bet any $$.  Still cheer for my Chiefs and Huskers every year though!

 

grapple420 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:51 pm ET
Feijao helped my bankroll tremendously, so I can afford to be a little loose.  Man, I wished I would have pulled the trigger on Griggs at like +650!!

I just didnt see anything in that first fight to make me think BJ has this thing in the bag.  2.5-1 odds is good enough for me to drop some on Frankie. 
 

im4u2nv on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:09 pm ET
i would stick with the SF underdogs they seem to pay off more.
 

im4u2nv on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:08 pm ET
he won a decision.It wasnt luck but probably the only way he can win.I liked your bets on the Showtime card but not this one.Im sure your betting on the odds but i think you might lose your money.BJ by TKO.
 

Jak on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:13 pm ET
Just finish Bj Penn and all the talk will go away.

As a Penn fan i can only say that i am super stoked on this event finally being here! Boo_urns to Marquardt/Palhares being pulled from the card.

WAR Penn, WAR Edgar!
 

tutu on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:49 pm ET
didnt realize marquardt fight was pulled, would love to see him fight belfort. I think there is tremendous pressure on bj here, none for edgar because no one seems to think he will win. i myself didnt see the first fight as a fluke, when you last 5 rounds, and win a UD all the while making your opponents handspeed seem slow, having much better footwork, and movement, combine that with the constant threatt of taking bj down, it makes it very clear to me, that frankie will be even better for this fight. i dont think BJ has any answers for superior handspeed, boxing, and wrestling. He might as well retire if he loses against same opponent again, because he will never be champ again. frankie is younger, and getting better, and much hyungrier than BJ
 

Mazdarati on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:16 pm ET
BJ didn't look like himself when they first fought. It was like the lights were on but nobody was home. I think he'll dominate this next fight.
 

Dallassmacks on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:25 pm ET
BJ has already won... however Couture/Toney... I hope Randy gets him in a Tasmanian toehold ,thus snapping it off and messing up the guys equilibrium for good. Guy needs to have one of those 'chagrin' faces  Charles Shultz drew on Charley Brown.

 

Jak on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm ET
Bj has already won?

That doesn't make sense.
 

Dallassmacks on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:34 pm ET
i can see it in BJ's eyes....and Edgars. You will see brah. Make sense now?....or do I have to SLOW DOWN a little?
 

Scottyman on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:15 pm ET
What an arse. I'm looking forward to this fight, I think Edgar will take it.
 

agent_smith on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:57 pm ET
Want to be a jacka*s then this is the wrong site for you.  Move along, move along and bray somewhere else.
 

bigmark on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm ET
i would be happiest if bj knocked him out....if he submitted him i would be happy, the first fight was closer then the judges scored it, so i think this fight i think will be entertaining...its hard to bet on bj because he is soo unpredictable. i havent heard anything about how his camp went but im hoping he comes in like the old bj penn to just own i guess we will see i wouldnt be suprised if edgar won again but he wont finish bj
 

LelandMMA on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:08 pm ET
The judge who scored every rd for Edgar was asleep or something
 

bigmark on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:50 pm ET
yeah i def agree...IMO i had bj winning 3 rounds to two but its over you know...i think bj needs to make a statement in this fight period...and i think he knows that too
 

loserperformify on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:23 pm ET
I really dont like the rematch at all. I think Edgar did enough to win the title. he shouldnt have to defend it against Penn right after. I think Penn is awesome but i dont think he deserved an immediate rematch.  i want to see frankie take it again so we can finallly move on with a different side of the lightweight division

 

grapple420 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:27 pm ET
BJ owned the Lightweight division so much that he had to go up to welterweight for a challenge.  That alone should warrant an immediate rematch, in my opinion. 

Also, I wander if insulting a mod in your screen name would warrant a ban?
 

sealyaxe on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:40 pm ET
If Edgar smacked him around for 4 1/2 rounds then subbed him would BJ still deserve an immediate rematch?  What BJ did before their fight shouldn't matter.  All that matters is what he did DURING the fight, which was lose in the eyes of the judges.  He should be fighting another contender.
 

grapple420 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm ET
Ok the fact that he owned the weight class for so long, coupled with the fact that the first fight was probably one of the closest fights, and hardest to judge fights ever. 

That should merit an immediate rematch. 

Shogun got one and look how that turned out.
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:50 pm ET
I don't hate the rematch with Penn. I agree with it, but The difference with the Shogun rematch compared to this is A. One of the judges said that his view was blocked for much of the fight. He gave it to Machida, but after watching the fight at home he thought Shogun won and B. Cecil people was the judge and he's in the damn karate hall of fame. I hate to see a judge is biased, but I think he is. He didn't even give one round to Rua did he? He straight up said that Machida was the aggressive one as well.(even though Rua was the one gunnig down Machida) And then lets' not forget that Cecil stated leg kicks don't finish/score fights.

Sorry for the rant!
 

grapple420 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:55 pm ET
All I know is that I would have hated to be a judge in either one of those fights. 

It doesnt happen often, but I could not pick a winner at the end of either.  Its been awhile since the Rua/Machida so I dont remember it all that great, but I do remember in the BJ fight, IMO, the only clear round was round 5 for Frankie.  Other then that, there were 4 rounds that were complete tossups. 

 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:31 pm ET
Indeed..very close fights.
 

im4u2nv on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:15 pm ET
IMO a close fight should go to the champ.If you didnt beat him then you shouldnt win the title.A close decision should be a rematch but not have a belt change hands.
 

coreymb on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:51 pm ET
A lot of people feel that way.

To me, the odds are already stacked going up against the champion. I don't care if the fight is close or not..it should go to who deserves that W. Not bad judging.
 

LelandMMA on Aug 24, 2010 at 8:25 am ET
Yep BJ / Edgar's first fight was the closest I have seen in a while. I wouldn't have been disappointed w/ the winner either way, was very close. Rua/Machida was an obvious one with a bad judge decision.
 

loserperformify on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:47 pm ET
lol  yes grapple i was prop before.  performify banned me for no reason so now im all about making sure he knows that i think hes a plug
 

Dallassmacks on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:31 pm ET
Seriously....you would prefer to pay out 55.00 to see? People love rematches, especially when the fight was closer than the knit wits judging the fight saw. Even BR saw BJ winning...I SAW nothing that would show he decisively beat the champ. If you want the belt there needs to be a decisive win. I didn't see it....so HELL YEA... I want to see a REMATCH!
 

azsimp on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:37 pm ET
IMO the UFC had their hands tied when making matchups. On one hand they had Maynard coming off a lackluster split decision win over Nate Diaz, so their options would have been:
1.    Maynard vs Edgar (which in no way could carry a PPV)
2.    Florian vs Edgar (which would have struggled to carry a PPV, and also would have been kflo's 3rd, and arguably last shot at the belt)
3.    IF the went kflo vs edgar they would have had to BJ vs Maynard and then been left with their top 4 LW's fighting and not one of the fights be able to carry a PPV.

Of the possible matchups the UFC could make for Edgar, the Penn rematch is the only way to carry a PPV (no offense to Couture and Toney)
 

Celmare on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:38 pm ET
You can't say Kenflo wouldn't get another shot down the road. If he keeps himself in the mix he has to eventually keep getting them, even if he keeps losing. You can't just tell an athelete in a professional sport that they can't fight/play for the title because they've lost the Championship too many times. If he's the best contender then that's the way it is in the end. Even with fan popularity erroneously affecting match-making, there still has to be a fairly accurate ranking order for the title.
This isn't Pro Wrestling.
 

azsimp on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:43 pm ET
I definitely think that KenFlo will get another crack at the belt, but from match making standpoint the UFC desperately wants that to be against BJ!
Joe SIlva is for sure cheering for BJ and Florian to win at UFC118
 

stpd_hrts on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:24 pm ET
Sure they can, look at Franklin he was told move up because they weren't interested him fighting for the belt again.
 

BullyBlue on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:27 pm ET
BJ gonna beat down Edgar!!!! 2nd round KO!!!
 

ccarrillo on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm ET
bj penn will have a game plan i just feel bad that one has to lose i am a fan of both bj and edgar there both awsome fighters
 

azsimp on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm ET
I wish for just one fight that BJ would go train with Jackson in ABQ or with Blackhouse then we can see how good he could really be at 155.
 

BrockbeatsFedor9of10 on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:39 pm ET
I hope Frankie beats BJ again. I like Frankie attitude over BJ's. 
 

uutsii on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:54 pm ET
Edgars did win, Penn lost "B.J." just did the thang that has always got him title shots, good for him bad for us fans whom are tired of powers that be trying to push BJ on us!! I for one hope Edgars finds that shot wobbles him and finishes him in quick fashion. Any win at all would be nice, people say he is taking shots at the P4P king G.S.P. in his comments the man with soo much fight he quit when facing tougher opposition. BJ is a bit of an oddity all talent no heart, Edgars gets off on the right foot he will finish or earn a decision.. hopefully he will go cry to momma and take some time to think of what he wants to do. I have NO INTEREST in seeing him getting any more title fights he has had too many already 
 

Dmactastic on Aug 23, 2010 at 4:55 pm ET
sorry spanky but i gotta give this one to penn. hes damn near impossible to beat when coming off a lose....

Also While im at it

Couture by Domination
KenFlo by Doctor stoppage(elbows from the bottom)
Maia by flying inverted rediculoso(as dora would say)((yes the explorer))
Davis By KO(hopefully)
 

chasetheface on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:07 pm ET
I agree with all your picks but I see Diaz beating Davis. I think Nate can outbox Davis on the feet, and if it goes to the ground it's all Nate.
 

paytown50 on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:03 pm ET
Disclaimer: I'm a BJ Penn Fan However I have a brain in my head and I'm fair when Judging fights.

To me I just dont see how people are justifying Frankie winning this fight. Did he really win the first fight.

I had it 4-1 BJ though I could see 3-2 BJ.

To me the stronger punches were landed my BJ and BJ was landing at a 2 to 1 clip over Frankie. I have watched the fight four times now and still see no way that Frankie won the fight.

Bottom Line BJ is going to destroy him...........To me this has the makings of a second round RNC

 

Dmactastic on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:09 pm ET
+1 this seems to be another 2 possible outcome fight

1. BJ RNC round 2
2.Edgar-UD 


am i wrong? has anyone any other possible outcomes? MAYBE edgar split desicion but i say if its close its going to BJ cause hes the bigger name and this is the first HUGE fight for Boston judges.....
 

ChuckJersey09 on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:07 pm ET
Junkie, BJ is 11-5-1 in the UFC.  His other loss was to Lyoto Machida in K-1 event. 

I think Frankie takes this fight as well.  Then on to Kenny Florian (most likely anyhow).
 

LianaRoa on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:34 pm ET
Penn vs. Edgar 1, bared too much of a resemblance to Shogun vs. Machita 1 to me...honestly i think Frankie did have a slight advantage with his mobility and kicks but he needs to be a lot more aggressive at UFC 118. I would actually like to see Penn do to Frankie what he did to Diego the last time around, just to prove he still has that hunger for the title. Either way if Frankie takes it again he just better give us a show this time around =)...so excited for this match UFC118 should be a good one...GO RANDY =)
 

ctyn on Aug 23, 2010 at 5:46 pm ET
Anyone who thinks BJ is going to get destroyed is smokin crack.  Frankie seems like a good guy and he's got a lot of talent, but he is not nearly as talented as BJ Penn.  All the BJ haters need to go back, read his bio, do a little research, and realize he's done more and has more talent than most could ever hope to gain. or do.  He's a stud - so what if he gets sidetracked from time to time. 
 

robbyed on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:07 pm ET
when we watched the 1rst fight everyone couldn't belive bj lost . he controlled the center of the cage . sure edgar moved a lot but everytime he(edgar)threw a punch he got hit harder from bj. it looked like bj was astalking him all around the cage. the 2 takedowns weren't really takedowns because as soon as they hit the ground they were right back up. i mean bj agreesion cage control and more effective strriking should of won him the fight. all edgar did was keep trying toavoid fighting ,again looked like he was doiong something but really all he was doing was running around with bj chasing him. bj walking in circles in the middle of the cage but always coming towards edgar (which ios aggression and cage control)i really wonder with judging in mma it is never consistant and gives way to much to takedowns and top position.
 

xXThaidaXx on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:24 pm ET
Jus because you wanted Penn to win doesn't mean the judges were wrong that night. Penn WAS winning that fight til the 4th or 5th where his actions started to fade. It was very close.
 

xXThaidaXx on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:10 pm ET
He's gonna have to be 110% to take out BJ in this one. GO EDGAR !!!!!!!!!!
 

bdj459 on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:17 pm ET
Wow there are a lot of delusional people posting in response to this story and it is mainly due to the fact that there are so many BJ haters out there. BJ is still the best LW in the world, he has showed this over and over by destroying all commers the last 2 years. The loss to Edgar was a one off alla GSP losing to Serra (granted not the same as a lucky punch). BJ will bloody Edgar this time around alla Ken Flo and then go on another 2 year run before getting bored again and losing to someone inferior again. This is after all BJ we are talking about.
 

xXThaidaXx on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:28 pm ET
BJ is one of the best but not THE best right now, thats whoevers wearing that 155lb UFC strap right. Not a Penn fan anymore but I see him coming ready for this fight no excuses type sh*t. It's hard for me to see Edgar winning this easily seeing that the last fight was super close. I'm hoping for Edgar to shock the world again!
 

Taiter on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:36 pm ET
BJ will win this fight in dominant fashion.  Flash is going down.  Please ease up with the 2 great takedown Frankie had where he did nothing,,,,my goodness.  BJ will submit him easily.
 

paytown50 on Aug 23, 2010 at 6:44 pm ET
I've never understood the BJ hate. The guy goes out there and fights every time. He is willing to fight any weight class and anyone. Give the guy credit your talking about a guy who has pasted every 155er for the better part of a decade. Won the 170 strap and fought at HW against Lyoto Machida.

One more thing about BJ I recall about two years back when he was going on his "these fighters are on the juice" stuff. He got roasted by the MMA media and fans. I mean just roasted. I'm very interested in this whole Shane Carwin on the juice stuff because I really feel that he will be the first of many MMA fighters to get busted.

I think as more fighters get busted BJ will get some of the respect he's been due for a long time.

Just one guys thoughts
 

chasetheface on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:14 pm ET
I still respect BJ a little bit, but I will never forgive him for the performance he put on against GSP at UFC 94. This was supposed to be a mega-fight between two of the best mixed martial artists on the planet, and it ended up being a 1-sided beating. AND he quit. He flat out quit, that's the bottom line. Yes, his corner threw in the towel, but BJ let them throw in the towel.
 

im4u2nv on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:18 pm ET
id say GSP and BJ are talented but BJ is to small and you saw the difference it made when GSP got better.That being said i dont think GSP should even be considered P4P.Hes usually the bigger fighter and never stepped outside his weight class.
 

IB4U on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:36 pm ET
same here.  don't know why GSP just went up to P4P great!  I mean A.Silva didn't even lose the belt?
And GSP is stalling and didn't perform much in his last title defense to warrant the push up to #1.  I'd rather give Aldo the kick up instead of GSP.

I think some of these Media group are just hugging on his nuts!
 

MRBCMMA on Aug 24, 2010 at 2:54 am ET
Why does he half to leave his weight class to be a p4p great?  He is a natural WW and he should stick to his division....BJ left his and got embarrased, and quit like a little b***h
 

13tigers on Aug 23, 2010 at 7:43 pm ET
   I know  what you mean, you know i could never understand why BJ was seen as the bad guy during the whole grease gate fiasco, the media and people just took him as a sore loser, but he was just a victim of bad circumstace.
 

ChokingVictim on Aug 23, 2010 at 8:35 pm ET
Neither of them did anything in the first fight....shoulda been a draw, not a new champion.  Definately didnt "beat" BJ
 

canuckscomox on Aug 23, 2010 at 8:49 pm ET
BJ well destroy the backstreet boy no problem I see it as a first round knockout
 

rw1060 on Aug 23, 2010 at 9:13 pm ET
Dude, if you think Frankie is that pretty you've got some problems ... Beyond being a Canucks fan, that is. That's certainly one way to learn to like losing.
 

rw1060 on Aug 23, 2010 at 9:11 pm ET
I too watched the fight again and I can honestly see it being scored either way. I had Frankie up three rounds to two for my second viewing, but BJ did counterpunch effectively. His punches looked harder but on only one occasion did Frankie look hurt, and BJ was the one who got cut (albeit not badly). Its debatable who suffered more damage. Some stats sources have Frankie landing more punches and certainly he looked much faster. I wasn't crazy about a rematch and still would have preferred an Edgar-Maynard rematch, but another fight is warranted and with any luck this one will be more decisive. I'd like to see Frankie win but have a feeling that Penn will get the stoppage this time.
 

ConcreteTeeth on Aug 23, 2010 at 9:32 pm ET
Id honestly like to see Edgar hold onto the belt. I dont think he can beat Florian which is who im praying wins when he fights Maynard. But other than me wanting to see it in Florians hands id just plain like to see it get tossed around a lil bit. BJ is a great fighter but ive grown tired with him just like I have with GSP despite them being really good at what they do. Hell if BJ wants somethin to do if he loses again, go up tp WW and shake things up in there for a lil bit. With Josh, John, and Mike never willing to fight each other, it makes things just a lil stale and 2 many of the same fights happen. LW belts just needs a lil breath of fresh air
 

north808 on Aug 24, 2010 at 5:58 am ET

 
penn vs. edgar

The only way i could see edgar winning this fight is by pulling that one punch and run away crap like the first fight. thats why ufc should make it like pride were you get  penalized 4 stalling/running if they had the yellow card in ufc i think alot of the fight won't be as boring .

couture vs toney

james toney gonna get his ass kicked. He has a punchers chance but i dont see him beating randy . i dont think he could get up even randy let that fatty up . come  saturday i think toney's gonna relize boxers ain't the best mma fighter are can't be good at only 1 thing.


i call

penn 3rd round sub - rear naked choke

couture 2nd round tko - GnP
 

chilepepper99 on Aug 24, 2010 at 1:06 pm ET
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diversity on Aug 24, 2010 at 9:17 am ET
i think if bj comes in with the "fight" he's talking about he will win this fight if his mind is set on finishing his man then he will walk through some of frankies combos to get this hands on him... if that happens then frankies game plan of running in and out will have to change which will then play into bjs hands... as the challanger this time and not the champ bj has to bring the fight to frankie altho in the first fight i dont think frankie brought the fight to bj but his in and out gameplan seemed to do the job due to some dodgy judge dessions 50-45 by one judge you have to laugh

you cant criticize frankie for his gameplan as it worked first time around and im sure he will be even better this time around because he knows what its like to fight bj

the only question is" what bj penn come's to the octagon " lets hope its the one we all know and love the prodigy
and not the pre gsp 2 bj over hyped under trained bj

whatever happens lets hope theres no need for another rematch
 

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