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Views of an FR-8 Mauser
By
Mark
Trope &
R. Ted Jeo |
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NOTE |
This article has
been modified on 1/20/2004 after new information was
presented by one of the readers. Being that the reader gave
specific references and even images of manuals, I felt it
prudent to update the information on the history of this
unique and marvelous rifle. |
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WARNING! |
There is a LOT of back
and forth banter as to whether the FR8 is safe to fire full
load 7.62 NATO or .308 Win ammo in. As we have no control
over your rifle, ammo and shooting habits, there is no
implied or otherwise stated fact that YOUR rifle is safe to
use. When in doubt, have a qualified gunsmith check it out.
Here we present information gathered from sources on the web
and combine them with our OWN rifles, ammo and shooting
experiences for your information only. |
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Okay, so I have to admit up until about 8
months ago, I did not know what the hell an FR-8 Mauser was. I
just thought, well, a Mauser is a Mauser is a Mauser. You know
the picture, bolt action, long barrel, internal magazine well,
shroud type safety, etc. Well, that was until I kept hearing
about how Mark won this match, or that match, or wiped out all
the silhouettes and how easy the FR-8 Mauser was to shoot.
Okay, I said to Mark, send me a photo, which he did.
When I got the photo, the first thought
that came to mind was a line from an episode
of Saturday Night Live, hosted by Steve Martin back in
1980. The skit featured Steve Martin and Bill Murray. All they
did was look oddly at “something” and kept saying…”What the HELL
is that?” Well, that is what I thought of the FR-8. Which
Bubba gunsmith got a hold of this poor rifle and did this to it? |
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The front end of the FR-8 could pass as something off of a
modern day assault rifle, but the back end……
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The back end of the FR-8 looks like it came right out of the
trenches of WW1. |
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A whole view of the rifle reveals a tight, compact carbine
that is a joy to shoot. |
When you look at the rifle, you see the
front end that looks modern, like an assault rifle. Most of the
ones that I have seen are even Parkerized. Even the bolt is
Parkerized. In my particular rifle’s case, I had to use a
Dremel polishing tool to remove the
Parkerization on a few points on the underside of the
bolt that was causing the bolt to ride rough. It has a flash
hider, it has a front post sight that is not a blade,
it has something that looks like a
gas-op tube under the barrel. BUT, then you see the back half
you think…..well.
World War I ! Like, a
straight handled bolt action, a straight military wood stock,
stripper clip loaded, 5 shot internal
magazine. Okay…so it looked strange, but it looked INTRIGUING.
So off to the World Wide Web I went. |
Turns out that the FR-8 is exactly as I
thought, a half 20th and half 19th century
rifle (sort of). Back in the 1950’s, the Spanish government was
working with CETME (Centro de Estudios
Tecnicos de
Materiales Especiales or
center for the study of technical materials) to develop an
assault rifle for its armies. German weapons designers working
with CETME developed the so called CETME assault rifle, which
was later to become the G3 rifle for the German army. Without
going into a complete history of the CETME assault rifle (which
this article is not about), the break down is such. The CETME
model A and B were designed to shoot the so called 7.62mm CETME
round, a lower powered version of the 7.62 NATO. This is not to
say that the CETME round was developed from the NATO round, but,
rather, it seems the CETME round was developed independently
from German WW2 data/experimentation/modifications of assault
rifle development. The model C CETME rifle was designed
(modified) to shoot 7.62 NATO ammo. |
7.62mm NATO vs. .308
Winchester |
Okay, the big question, the question
that always comes around…
7.62mm NATO vs. .308 Winchester
The same?
In a nutshell.
No. Maximum pressure ratings for the two are not the
same, the NATO round is rated at 50,000
psi (Cartridges of the World,
9th Ed). The .308 commercial is rated at
anywhere from 52,000 to 62,000 psi
depending on the source of the information. Even the
units and methods of testing are not the same.
The idea here is this. The FR7 and FR8
were designed to shoot the 7.62 NATO round, not the
commercial .308 round. If you reload, you can easily keep
your loads below the max. If you want to shoot mil surp
ammo, use NATO approved rounds. If you want to use
commercial loads…DON’T.
Also, if you reload for this rifle and
use military brass, do note that nearly every reloading
manual out there recommends reducing loads because
military brass has less internal volume because of thicker
walls and bases.
Of course, this entire issue is still
dependent on the condition of your specific rifle.
I have gone so far to make sure that
when I reload .30 caliber ammo,
I mark it as “7.62 NATO” or “.308 Win” depending on which
brass, load and rifle I loaded it for.
For more information go to:
http://www.gunboards.com
(and do a search in the message boards)
http://www.fulton-armory.com/308.htm
http://www3.sympatico.ca/shooters/7_62vs308Pt2.htm
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So, Spain was in the process of
implementing the CETME assault rifle, but there were not enough
of the new assault rifles around for issue and training. They
did, however, have gobs of old Mauser bolt actions (1916 and
1943 models). They developed a rifle that not only could be
used to arm non combatant and “Guardia Civil” troops, but also
would fill the gap in training purposes until more CETME assault
rifles were on line. Hence, the FR-7/FR-8 was born. These
rifles were designed to shoot the 7.62mm NATO round. It has a
“similar” front end as the CETME assault rifle (gas tube is on
top on these rifles) but is a bolt action. Interestingly, the
sights on the FR-8 are quite similar to that of the assault
rifle, that is, a rear peep sight that is adjustable and a front
post, very similar to what is on an AR-15 today. On that
note…don’t you think the bird cage flash hider looks familiar to
the AR’s? It is possible that the AR’s may have gotten its bird
cage flash hider from the FR-8, which, in turn got it from the
CETME assault rifle. The birdcage flash hider is actually
designed to fire NATO rifle grenades. As a side note, a
standard AR muzzle cap fits on the FR8.
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FR8 with inert rifle grenade attached. |
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Close up of FR8 flash hider. |
Technical Data |
Model: FR-8 (Fusil
Refromando No. 8, or Modified “musket” number 8)
Caliber: 7.62 NATO (.308 Winchester) (NOTE:
read warning above)
Weight: ~7.5 lbs
Total overall length: 39 inches
Barrel length w/flash hider: 19 inches
Rifling: right hand, 4 groove, 1:12
Magazine: 5 rounds
Rear sight: Adjustable for elevation peep dial
Front sight: Adjustable for elevation/windage
eccentric post. |
Now, this being said, I have to mention
something about the FR7 rifle. The two look very much alike,
however, the FR-7 was developed using the 1916 Mauser actions.
This action has two instead of three lugs on the bolt. The
current controversy that I have seen going back and forth is
that this action is “weaker” than the FR8 1943 action and
therefore you should not shoot 7.62 NATO
ammo in it. This appears to be totally wrong. As
mentioned above, the FR7 was designed to shoot the 7.62 NATO
round. The M1916 Guardia Civil rifle (also made from the old
7mm 93/95 action) is also rated for the 7.62 NATO round. See
the cover of the manual where it specifically states “7.62 NATO” |
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Cover of M1916 Guardia Civil manual translation:
Main directorate of the Civil Guard General Staff headquarters
of armament. Descriptive pamphlet of the Mauser musket (rifle).
(transformed from 7mm). |
FR-7 vs. FR-8 |
FR-7 |
FR-8 |
Uses 1916
Mauser action |
Uses 1943
Mauser Action |
Bent bold
handle |
Straight bolt handle (usually) |
Caliber
7.62 CETME |
Caliber
7.62 NATO |
Straight
stock grip |
Pistol
grip stock |
Bolt uses
2 locking lugs
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Bolt has
3 locking lugs |
Bolt has
flat base |
Bolt has
round base |
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Fore
stock has finger grooves |
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The rear sight has a dial selector that
allows for the choice of apertures for 200, 300 and 400 meters
as well as an open “V” notch for 100m. Interestingly, the
choice of which distance aperture to use does not change the
diameter of the hole, rather it moves the hole either up or down
according to distance. Starting with the sight at the “V” notch
(100m) position, turning the sight counterclockwise one
notch goes to the 200m aperture, turn it again counterclockwise
and you go to the 300m aperture. If you turn the sight back to
the “V” notch and then turn it clockwise, you get to the 400m
apertures. Very ingenious, huh? Ah,
but it gets better. |
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Looking toward the back end of the rifle,
note the dial peep rear sight. Also, note the side mounted
sling attachment. |
The front sight is a pointed post, much
like the original AR-15 sights. The interesting thing about the
front sight is that it is eccentric in
nature, that is, as you screw it up or down it also moves
left or right. The post is off set to one side of the thread of
the screw. A special tool is needed to move the sight which can
be gotten from TAPCO.COM.
Thus, this rifle can be adjusted coarsely for
elevation using the rear sight and
then “fine tuned” for elevation and windage using the more
adjustable front sight. |
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Use of the TAPCO.COM CETME
front sight adjustment tool. |
They also
added the “gas” tube under the barrel. Turns out, this tube is
actually a mounting point for the bayonet and serves as a
storage tube. I do not have a bayonet for the rifle, but the
CETME model C bayonet fits the FR8 rifle. The tube has no
functionally at all for the operation of the rifle. I have
heard that it was used to carry a cleaning kit, but I have also
heard it is used to carry cigarettes also. I keep my front
sight adjustment tool in mine. Weight of the overall rifle is
about 7 lbs or so. The stock has a side rear sling as well as a
swivel under the buttstock in the traditional location. There
is a front sling swivel also. |
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Taking apart the “fake” gas cylinder
reveals a clever place to store a cleaning kit, or, in this
case, the front sight adjustment tool. |
There is some speculation as to why the
rifle is designated “FR-8”. The FR is pretty much agreed upon
that it means “Fusil Reformado” or
“Modified Musket (Rifle)”. The numbers 7 and 8 are a
little more controversial. Some say that they come from the
original caliber of rifle converted. That is, the FR-7, which
came from the 7mm 1916 rifle and the FR-8 which came from the
8mm 1943 Mauser rifle. Another theory is that the numbers
reflect what military regions the rifles came from in Spain. I
am thinking that they tried to make an FR-1 through FR-6 but
failed at their attempts. Is that not how military numbering
works?? (ha
ha) |
Home of the FR8
La Coruña
(or A
Coruña) Spain |
(ä
kōroo´nyä)
, formerly La Coruña , city
(1990 pop. 256,579), capital of A
Coruña prov., NW Spain,
in Galicia. It is a busy Atlantic port, a distribution
center for the surrounding farm area, and a summer resort
spot. It has shipyards, metalworks,
an oil refinery, glass and ceramic plants, and an important
fishing industry. A Coruña
reached its height as a port and a textile center in the
late Middle Ages. The
Armada sailed
from its harbor in 1588. The city was sacked by Sir Francis
Drake in 1598. In the Peninsular War it was the scene of the
battle (1809) in which Sir John Moore was killed. The city
was a focus of antimonarchist sentiment during the 19th
cent.
Chief landmarks are a 13th-century church and the Roman
Torre de
Hércules, now a lighthouse. Glazed window balconies,
or
miradores, are
characteristic of A Coruña. It
is the site of an arsenal and army garrison. The city is
also spelled Corunna.
Source:
Encyclopia.com |
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Mark has been using his FR-8 for several
years in military rifle silhouette matches that they hold at his
club in Lubbock. He reloads for these matches using cast
bullets. In a separate article on this website (Cast
Bullets- How Filler Improves the Breed!) we actually go
about reloading the ammo that he uses in the matches, including
using a filler in the case.
Mark’s rifle club has a lot of mil surp
Shoots. The match director is quite creative when it comes to
developing new mil surp matches. Consider this, most of the
fellows have families, and trying to convince their “Domestic
Engineer” (Wife), that a new, $900.00 rifle is needed for
a particular match may be a bit dicey. Getting clearance for a
relatively inexpensive Mauser is fairly easy. So, when a mil
surp, cast-bullet-only Silhouette Match came into play, he
wanted a short, handy, aperture sighted rifle. The FR8 exceeded
all his expectations! With properly assembled cast bullet
hand loads, knocking the iron
critters over is easy with the FR8. The rifle balances about
perfectly, so you don’t get tired during the firing relay.
Once the sights come on target, it’s a lot easier to hold them
then with some other rifles. His FR8 is in the “never sell or
trade” category.
I reloaded about 50 rounds using the
technique we describe in our other article (http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/castfiller/index.asp)
and headed out to the range. It happened to be deer season
sight in days at the club and I managed to turn lots of heads
when I hauled out this oddity amidst all the civilian deer
rifles. I managed to turn more heads once I started shooting,
for a few reasons.
Our range has 25, 50 and 100 yard target
stands. At the time I started, only a spot on the 25 yard was
open. I got some raised eyebrows when I managed to place all
shots but one touching each other just off to the left of the
bullseye. Recoil was very easy to
manage. I would think that full military loads may be a
different matter. The other reason I got looks from other
shooters was that the buffer we used in our reloads gives off a
very distinctive “burnt plastic” smell when you shoot. Finally
a spot at 100 yards was open so I hopped over and got a few more
rounds off. The shots were a bit high and still to the left (I
did not do any sight adjustments), but formed a 2-2 ½ inch
group. The final test was to shoot at steel swingers out at
about 160 yards in an unsupported offhand stance. That was just
plain down right fun! The rifle shoulders with ease and the
sights are superb for a mil surp rifle. I started with the
large 3 foot circular gong and worked my way down to the 12 inch
wide gong. Once I figured the correct sighting for the
distance, it was easy to “ring the gongs”. As many of my club
members said when they picked it up, a well sized and weighed
rifle for a brush gun. (Now WHY would
anyone want to use a mil surp for hunting..?) |
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25 yard target showing 6 shots all touching
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100 yard set up. Spotter target in front shows 4
shot group. |
Now this is not a rifle that you go and
pick up from such places as Century Arms or Southern Ohio Guns.
It is actually pretty rare from what I can determine. I have
seen a few on online auction sites which looked in pretty good
condition. Selling prices ranged from $200 and up. I had run
across only one in a gun store, that one was going for $160 and
if I did not already have one AND could have managed to sneak it
back home, I would have picked it up. All of the ones that I
have seen have been in very good or better condition. It seems
that these rifles were not used for long and then were correctly
stored for the long term in arsenals before being released in
the 1980’s. Interestingly, these rifles are hard to come by in
Spain. Now, would I stay away from the FR-7? Nope. If I did
not have an FR-8, I would go for the FR-7 if the opportunity
presented itself, but in either case I would stay away from the
commercial .308 Winchester ammo.
I have to tell you, this little 7.62mm
carbine is one of my favorites of the collection. |
By
Mark
Trope &
R. Ted Jeo |
Sources |
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=47
“Sportschiessen
mit
Ordonnanzwaffen”, Visier
Special No.28, Febuary 2003.
http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/mp5/choice/coang.htm
“The Illustrated book of
Guns”, D. Miller, ed. Salamander
Books, 2003
http://stoldt-design.com/images/Spain/fr8-02.jpg
http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIID2a191.html
“World’s Great Rifles”, R.
Ford, Barnes/Nobel, 1998
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/cruffler/spanish_fr-8.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/6125/Images/FR-8/fr-8.htm
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