Update 3: Here's a picture of someone named Jared Loughner volunteering at a Tucson Book Festival:
 Image: AZ Starnet |
Update 2: From his YouTube profile is the reading list of someone who is not obviously ideological, but including Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto in there is indicative of someone disturbed:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno."
Update: Fox News confirms he is Jared Loughner.
Original post: Initial reports said the name of the shooter was Jared Laughner.
But ABC says the name was Jared Lee Loughner.
Below is a video up which talks about government and currency.
Meanwhile, his apparently MySpace page has been taken down, but it looked like this:
Check out this image from one of his videos, where he says he won't pay any debts not backed in Gold or silver:
Watch.
http://twitpic.com/3o8lgu/full
http://twitpic.com/3o8lgu/full
http://twitpic.com/3o8lgu/full
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http://hillbuzz.org/
Sure, this guys actions are horribly unacceptable. Very unacceptable. If only people would gather in a peaceful manner and actually stand up to these governmental bullies, we could actually save this country from the downward spiral it is in right now.. Anti depressants, and Anti-Anxiety medication prescription rates are off the charts, because we live in such a f$&ked; society. Its just a matter of time before they crack under pressure, and do something stupid like this. Whether this is the case or not regarding this Jared guy, it is a serious problem. Your happy if your unaware of the lies and corruption and just pretend like it inst happening and let it happen behind closed doors. Or your depressed to the max' as soon as you wake up and start researching all the recent corruption and lies we have been told our whole lives. We base our who life off of what we've learned and been told, and its really hard when you find out it was all a lie. I am in no way saying what this guy did was right, it was in fact very wrong, but this is happening more and more, because people are finally starting to come up and say "I am not going to take this s4!t any more! I live in the land of the free! not 1960 Vietnam!"
It is really sad, and I feel so horrible for the families and the people who have been affected by this massacre, but eventually people need to take action IN A PEACEFUL MANNER! and take back what is ours.
No more Lies, No more False Freedoms, No more Oppression, No more Corruption, No more GREED! GREED is the number one cause for everything in this country, and its SICK. There is NO peace any more. NONE.
Protest in Peace.
Take a minute and give your respects to the families and people affected by this situation.
Speak Your Thoughts.
Sure, this guys actions are horribly unacceptable. Very unacceptable. If only people would gather in a peaceful manner and actually stand up to these governmental bullies, we could actually save this country from the downward spiral it is in right now.. Anti depressants, and Anti-Anxiety medication prescription rates are off the charts, because we live in such a f$&ked; society. Its just a matter of time before they crack under pressure, and do something stupid like this. Whether this is the case or not regarding this Jared guy, it is a serious problem. Your happy if your unaware of the lies and corruption and just pretend like it inst happening and let it happen behind closed doors. Or your depressed to the max' as soon as you wake up and start researching all the recent corruption and lies we have been told our whole lives. We base our who life off of what we've learned and been told, and its really hard when you find out it was all a lie. I am in no way saying what this guy did was right, it was in fact very wrong, but this is happening more and more, because people are finally starting to come up and say "I am not going to take this s4!t any more! I live in the land of the free! not 1960 Vietnam!"
It is really sad, and I feel so horrible for the families and the people who have been affected by this massacre, but eventually people need to take action IN A PEACEFUL MANNER! and take back what is ours.
No more Lies, No more False Freedoms, No more Oppression, No more Corruption, No more GREED! GREED is the number one cause for everything in this country, and its SICK. There is NO peace any more. NONE.
Protest in Peace.
Take a minute and give your respects to the families and people affected by this situation.
Speak Your Thoughts.
I disagree. It is not unusual for young people to be curious and he appears to be showing he reads a diversity of literary material. This does not mean he is mentally sound but to categorize a person by what they say they read isn't the way to go about it.
Sure, this guys actions are horribly unacceptable. Very unacceptable. If only people would gather in a peaceful manner and actually stand up to these governmental bullies, we could actually save this country from the downward spiral it is in right now.. Anti depressants, and Anti-Anxiety medication prescription rates are off the charts, because we live in such a f$&ked; society. Its just a matter of time before they crack under pressure, and do something stupid like this. Whether this is the case or not regarding this Jared guy, it is a serious problem. Your happy if your unaware of the lies and corruption and just pretend like it inst happening and let it happen behind closed doors. Or your depressed to the max' as soon as you wake up and start researching all the recent corruption and lies we have been told our whole lives. We base our who life off of what we've learned and been told, and its really hard when you find out it was all a lie. I am in no way saying what this guy did was right, it was in fact very wrong, but this is happening more and more, because people are finally starting to come up and say "I am not going to take this s4!t any more! I live in the land of the free! not 1960 Vietnam!"
It is really sad, and I feel so horrible for the families and the people who have been affected by this massacre, but eventually people need to take action IN A PEACEFUL MANNER! and take back what is ours.
No more Lies, No more False Freedoms, No more Oppression, No more Corruption, No more GREED! GREED is the number one cause for everything in this country, and its SICK. There is NO peace any more. NONE.
Protest in Peace.
Take a minute and give your respects to the families and people affected by this situation.
Speak Your Thoughts.
Sincerely
Mike DeBurcher
Phoenix AZ
Once again the conservative disinformation machine is churning out more fiction... The link that CountryHick references shows a graphic that is completely fabricated. The original article has NO SUCH GRAPHIC.
It did say about 'Blue Dog' democrats that voted with conservatives, quote: "Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bulls eye on their district."
Of course, 'discerning' conservative readers who believe everything they read on the internets have already swallowed this fabrication and will be busy regurgitating it to all of their friends. So I can pretty much guarantee that the original article will never see the light of day.
But in case you have a non-robotic human brain that isn't controlled by talk radio hosts or right-wingnuts and you like to think for yourself, here's the ACTUAL link to the ORIGINAL story...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568
concerns with a gold standard and irritation with state-sponsored religion (ie protestant fundamentalism).
Enough here for both the bloviating right and left to hate!
I wish a speedy recovery for those who were injured, and the very best for the families of the not-so-lucky victims.
And still people keep saying he was
The two are not even close to the same thing.
No one there has ever called for violence as a political solution, has ever had rifle range targets over anyones face and talked about resorting to the second amendment or the bullet box if the ballot box didn't work.
This guy, who clearly has some mental disorder, hates government. Most people on Daily Kos see government as often making things better. And they work to elect more Democrats. It is the far right that advocates "taking them out by any means possible.
Say tuned because I promise you that this story is far from over and sooner or later the republicans will link the present Obama.
He doesn't deserve the right to live and breathe as a so called Human Being, he gave up that right!, so ergo, Say hello to G-d "Jared".
If you look at the body of what this kid read and said, you would not be off base to consider him an atheist. And of course not all atheists are evil. But the point I believe people are trying to make is the refutation that violence is the proclivitiy of the right, religious, converaitive, etc. And I think this instance adds to that point well.
His reading list is fairly interesting and not a bad one--whether he actually read or understood any of those books is questionable.
This appears to be just another case of an unstable, leftwing, whacko being labeled as "rightwing" after he's gone off his nut and committed criminal acts...
http://sheya.com/2011/01/08/politicizing-an-horrific-tragedy/
...the left continually discredits their own position by doing this sort head fake and then calling for more ineffectual and unconstitutional gun laws. Maybe the administration should concentrate on the enforcement of laws on the books before passing anymore new ones--i.e., secure the borders. November of 2012 may indicate what judgement the average American voter makes on this pattern of behavior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uRjwPWaxiY
You're right other news sites are correcting the name to Loughner.
Thanks.
The reason most people can't understand him is because their views of liberal and conservative are too narrow; it's as if a socialist white supremacist has never walked the earth...(I'm speaking of Hitler, the original socialist white supremacist, author of "Mein Kampf").
But then again, you've stated yourself it is a "fact", and since all we've got are clues like this, what else would you base a reasonable explanation on? If these videos are a clue to whats going on in his mind, and his main point IN that video is about grammar, and he made a point to not so subtly infer most in his district are illiterate (do you really think he's talking about the white majority? It'd be naive at best if you did...), then what exactly do you think caused him to do this?
(Sucks, I know, I was right)
http://azstarnet.com/events/collection_aebeb63c-2f9e-11df-9021-001cc4c002e0.html?photo=8
"Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno."
Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf stand out, the others are from a typical high school reading list.
A person can be very sane and decide to do awful things.
The age is about the age the disease generally manifest itself in males.
Wow, just watched this...this guy is one sick puppy. He burn's the flag at the end - which would make him a leftist, BTW.
1. 1944 Bretton Woods gold exchange standard-based
2. Amero
3. TBD
He is obviously unstable, which is the type that hate-talking pundits and politicians are speaking to. He is also a hypocrite for criticizing grammar mistakes when he makes his own. But, criticizing speakers of other languages is popular these days.
This is a sad story, sadder still because it was preventable. Politicians and other public figures should definitely not be encouraging citizens to target each other or opponents.
Only if you do not know (from Wikipedia): "Members of the Nazi Party identified themselves as Nationalsozialisten (National Socialists)...."
Names are meaningless; Hitler put communists and socialists into concentration camps along with gays, Gypsies, those with mental disabilities as well as Jews. Hitler was not a socialist. He was a fascist and the corporations were glad to use him.
By the way up until Kennedy the Democratic party was conservative and supported states rights', free trade, etc.
Are you serious? What a pathetic statement for a professional writer to make. (Of course, your spelling of "sight" calls into question your professionalism in the first place.)
They're books. Human beings read books. Their reading lists don't illustrate their nuttiness.
The guy may be an absolute loon -- and judging by his YouTube videos, he is -- but his "reading list" has nothing to do with it.
Joe's just trying to make the point that only nut-cases read Pulitzer prize-winners like Hemingway or Harper Lee -- instead of reading Joe!
It's obvious that this guy is a communist. He sounds exactly like the loonie who killed students at Virginia Tech. By reading the communist books, he is telling you what he prefers.
This guy is a lunatic and needs to be locked up or executed for his actions...
Maybe you should not make a fool of yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
Methinks it is thou who is a fruitcake!
You really need to take your medicine now.
Just because they stuck socialist in the name doesn't make it so.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw
"Ms. Giffords was able to maintain the support of constituents who favored the immigration law with her strong advocacy in favor of gun rights and for toughening border security."
"Ms. Giffords was able to maintain the support of constituents who favored the immigration law with her strong advocacy in favor of gun rights and for toughening border security."
"Ms. Giffords was able to maintain the support of constituents who favored the immigration law with her strong advocacy in favor of gun rights and for toughening border security."
God those vids are disturbing..
God those vids are disturbing..
libertarian and Nazi tendencies?hahhahaa
"grammar" has no meaning or is in danger.. twisted fck..
You people are loons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Fascism:
'Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined extreme Sorelian syndicalist political views along with nationalism.[7][8][9] Though normally described as being on the far right, there is a scholarly consensus that fascism was also influenced by the left, but with a focus on solutions from the right."
"Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favor of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.[20] They oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements.[21] Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[22] They believe that economic classes are not capable of properly governing a nation, and that a merit-based elite of experienced military persons must rule through regimenting a nation's forces of production and securing the nation's independence.[23] Fascism perceives conservatism as partly valuable for its support of order in society but disagrees with its typical opposition to change and modernization.[24] Fascism presents itself as a solution to the perceived benefits and disadvantages of conservatism by advocating state-controlled modernization that promotes orderly change while resisting the dangers to order in society of pluralism and independent initiative.[24]"
Only the libertarians types can claim this isn't their thinking. The corporatist, nationalistic and authoritarian thread is GOP through and through.
If you are limiting yourself to a single dimension, If communists are the left, the Fascists are the right. The problem is the single dimension which is why the Looneytarians have their 2 axis measurement system.
Both National Socialism and International Socialism have their common origins in Marxian critical theory and early revolutionary theory. International Socialists (Communists) maintain the thesis that the victory of Communism is inevitable, whereas National Socialists (Fascists) maintain the thesis that ultimately socialism on an international level is not attainable, and that national socialism is inevitable.
The GOP has kept the borders wide open for years and has had no qualms with the considerable amount of technological transfers to potential threats such as China. The GOP also has been the prime catalyst behind globalization. Corporatist?, yes, but so are the Democrats. Nationalist?, NO.
Great Analisys Rex
Palin is a very, very evil person and hope she pays for all her evilness.
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-1-56-04-pm1.png?w=510&h;=366
He does have a middle name, its Lee, so he does fit the mass murderer pattern.
Why does it always come down to politics. He's a wack job. There are plenty of those in both parties.
If he's just shot random people, it wouldn't be about politics.
but you knew that I'm sure.
She is an advocate for gun rights,a well funded armed forces a strengthened border,she is against amnesty for illegals.those are all topics that republicans share.So if it was mainly political why not choose a more liberal democrat?
She is an advocate for gun rights,a well funded armed forces a strengthened border,she is against amnesty for illegals.those are all topics that republicans share.So if it was mainly political why not choose a more liberal democrat?
She is an advocate for gun rights,a well funded armed forces a strengthened border,she is against amnesty for illegals.those are all topics that republicans share.So if it was mainly political why not choose a more liberal democrat?
She is an advocate for gun rights,a well funded armed forces a strengthened border,she is against amnesty for illegals.those are all topics that republicans share.So if it was mainly political why not choose a more liberal democrat?
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more it seems this guy truly is mental, and just acted for attention and to become a "martyr" for whatever cause he believed in.
Since I'm not stupid, I'm not going to blame the Daily Kos for her shooting. Others will lay blame where their political persuasions lead them to lay blame, however.
idiot. You are stupid
Apparently, according to the great mother Griz herself, this blue dog was an evil commie of the first water with a target on her.... She supported the Health care law which has the Wingnuts screaming socialism/communism/unconstitutional etc etc. Suddenly you teabaggers want to see the gray again???? Please.
2) The Judge was a target of Wingnutville for letting a case by illegals against a rancher go through. Just being a GOPer does not make you a TeaBagger especially judges appointed back before the GOP went to the crazy. He's a Bush 41 guy so appointed by the squish not a true tool like 43.
Don't be such a douche. This guy was clearly nuts. He was also clearly influenced by the anti-illegal immigrant hate message. His insanity kept him from seeing through the BS and the BS gave him a target for his rage.
Because he said it in a you tube comment
Cass Sunstein?
Van Jones?
those aholes preach revolution and say this is a revolution! They know this is a war or wills and are winning!
His views, however, are weird: He says the government uses brainwashing techniques. That's true. But what's this about the 'control of grammar'? Next, he doesn't want to pay the debts. Good for him. But then he raves about the gold standard...
Let's wait a bit and learn more about this kid.
Just saying.
Since you dont know shite about the guy or his sicknes(maybe he is not even sick and is a murderer son of a b...)you should wait for more info to come out, to not look like a fool tomorrow.
just saying