Jared Lee Loughner Identified As Gabrielle Giffords Shooter (INFO, VIDEOS)

The Huffington Post   |  Craig Kanalley First Posted: 01- 8-11 04:20 PM   |   Updated: 01- 9-11 01:54 AM

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Jared Lee Loughner has been identified as the man suspected of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).

Loughner was described by eyewitnesses at the Arizona shooting as a young white man who looked like a "fringe character," in his mid-to-late 20s, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing.

Loughner was quickly arrested after he allegedly shot Giffords and some 12 others at a public event at a Safeway grocery store in Tucscon. He reportedly shot the congresswoman "point blank" in the head and may have come from inside the store. He attempted to flee after running out of ammunition and was tackled by one of Giffords' staffers.

A MySpace page belonging to a "Jared Lee Loughner," age 22, of Tucson, was taken down. A YouTube account also exists in his name.

Here's what was listed on his MySpace page before it was removed:

Schools:I attended school: Thornydale elementary,Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View Highschool, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College.
Interests:My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college!
Movies:(*My idiom: I could coin the moment!*)
Music:Pass me the strings!
Books:I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Three videos were recently posted to the apparent Loughner YouTube account, text-only, the first to introduce himself and a final one posted Dec. 15 titled "My Final Thoughts."

See those videos in their entirety below:



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A "Jared Loughner" once volunteered at the Festival of Books in Tucson and was photographed at that event here by the Arizona Daily Star.

From the 2006 Mountain View High School yearbook:

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2:31 PM ET GOP Rep. Seeks To Enclose Congress In Plexiglas

Equally strange but true: Indiana Republican Rep. Dan Burton plans to introduce legislation next week to encase the House Gallery in "a transparent and substantial material" such as Plexiglas to protect Congressmen from members of the public, an aide to the lawmaker tells CBS News:

Burton has introduced similar legislation in the past. It reads in part, "The Architect of the Capitol shall enclose the visitors' galleries of the House of Representatives with a transparent and substantial material, and shall install equipment so that the proceedings on the floor of the House of Representatives will be clearly audible in the galleries."

A past version of the legislation, which will be reintroduced in the wake of the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords on Saturday, references past attacks on Congress. Among them are a 1915 bombing by a man protesting U.S. involvement in World War 1, the shooting of five members of Congress by Puerto Rican nationalists during a House vote in 1954, and a the placing of a bomb by the Weather Underground in a Senate bathroom in 1971. (The bomb went off early and no one was hurt.)

2:24 PM ET Boehner To Introduce Resolution Condemning Attack, Reaffirming First Amendment

A bipartisan resolution that "condemns in the strongest possible terms" the Tucson shooting will be introduced by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Wednesday, reports Roll Call.

The resolution, which will name the victims of the shooting, will reaffirm “the bedrock principle of American democracy and representative government, which is memorialized in the First Amendment of the Constitution and which Representative Gabrielle Giffords herself read in the Hall of the House of Representatives on January 6, 2011.”

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) will speak after Boehner. Later, the House will recess for a closed-door prayer service.

2:15 PM ET Glock Sales Surge In Wake Of Shooting

Strange but true: Glock pistol sales in Arizona jumped 60 percent on Jan. 10, compared to the same day last year, the second-biggest increase of any state in the country, according to FBI data examined by Bloomberg News.

Most likely due to concern that Congress will soon pass legislation restricting access to guns in the wake of the Tucson shooting, handgun sales ticked up yesterday 65 percent in Ohio, 16 percent in California, 38 percent in Illinois and 33 percent in New York, the FBI data show, and increased nationally about 5 percent. Gun sales also increased after the Virgina Tech massacre in 2007.

Bloomberg News reports:

A national debate over weaknesses in state and federal gun laws stirred by the shooting has stoked fears among gun buyers that stiffer restrictions may be coming from Congress, gun dealers say. The result is that a deadly demonstration of the weapon’s effectiveness has also fired up sales of handguns in Arizona and other states, according to federal law enforcement data.

“When something like this happens people get worried that the government is going to ban stuff,” Wolff said.

Arizona gun dealers say that among the biggest sellers over the past two days is the Glock 19 made by privately held Glock GmbH, based in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria, the model used in the shooting.

Read the full story here.

1:22 PM ET How An Armed Hero Nearly Shot The Wrong Person

William Saletan at Slate offers up a cautionary tale about allowing more people to carry guns, and how gun-carrying citizens -- who may have the best intentions -- could make such situations worse.

He notes that many gun rights advocates are pointing to Joe Zamudio, who was in a nearby pharmacy -- armed -- when the shooting began. He rushed over and helped subdue the killer:

But before we embrace Zamudio's brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let's hear the whole story. "I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "

But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

Zamudio agreed:

I was very lucky. Honestly, it was a matter of seconds. Two, maybe three seconds between when I came through the doorway and when I was laying on top of [the real shooter], holding him down. So, I mean, in that short amount of time I made a lot of really big decisions really fast. … I was really lucky.

Zamudio has no professional or military training with weapons. He also, according to the Arizona Daily Star, didn't initially pull out his own weapon because he was afraid of being confused as a second gunman.

1:13 PM ET Firearms Training For Lawmakers And Their Staff

In the wake of the shooting in Arizona, the pro-gun rights group Arizona Citizens Defense League has drafted model legislation that would train members of Congress and their aides in the use of firearms.

"Our model legislation is called the Giffords-Zimmerman Act," co-founder Charles Heller told Dave Weigel at Slate, in honor of the congresswoman and her staffer Gabe Zimmerman. "It would require the Arizona Department of Public Safety to provide firearms training, using firearms confiscated by the state, to members of Congress and people who work for them. Facilities would be made available to them in a way that wouldn't interfere with the training of police and other safety employees."

Heller added that having a firearm with her probably wouldn't have helped Giffords, although he believes that if "it was known that members of her staff were well armed, that very well could have dissuaded [the shooter]."

1:05 PM ET Reporting Odd Behavior In Arizona

Following reports that many of Jared Loughner's acquaintances have reported that they were frightened about his behavior and what he might do, The Washington Post reports that under Arizona law, anyone "could have contacted local officials and asked that he be evaluated for mental illness and potentially committed for psychiatric treatment." Local mental health and law enforcement officials, however, say that never happened. More on Arizona's law:

Mental health experts say that, unlike many other states - where little can be done to force an unstable person into treatment until he or she becomes violent and poses a danger to themself or others - Arizona is different.

Any person in Arizona can petition the court for a psychiatric evaluation solely because a person appears to be mentally ill and doesn't know it.

"When people appear mentally ill or show some instability, how do you get them to [mental health] resources if the system doesn't know those people are out there?" Cash said. "Our crisis line is manned 24/7. Anyone concerned about his behavior could have called at any time."

Cash added that he had no information on whether Loughner sought out private treatment covered by private insurance. "If he was interfacing with other mental health officials, I don't know about that," Cash said.

12:59 PM ET Giffords Breathing On Her Own

Doctors treating Gabrielle Giffords report that the congresswoman is now breathing on her own.

At a press conference at Tucson's University Medical Center, Dr. Peter Rhee said Tuesday that the Giffords is "progressing as expected" with "no issues or problems," although neurosurgeon Dr. Michael Lemole stressed that her condition remains very serious.

"She has no right to look this good, and she does," Lemole said. "We're hopeful." Giffords is expected to remain in the intensive care unit for another week.

11:47 AM ET How Giffords Survived

Via HuffPost Health:

The statistics are bleak: Ninety percent of gunshot wounds to the head result in death -- two-thirds of the time before the victim ever reaches a hospital. So how did Rep. Gabrielle Giffords survive?

A big part of the reason is where the bullet entered the head. The bullet entered from the back-left portion of the brain and exited through the front-left portion, missing many of the brain's critical structures as well as some major blood vessels. "These critical structures were miraculously spared," said Jennifer Ashton M.D., medical correspondent for CBS News. Had the bullet crossed from the left to the right side of the brain, the outcome likely would have been very different.

Click here to read more, or scroll down to watch a video about the injury from CBS News.

10:52 AM ET Leading Republican To Introduce Strict Gun-Control Legislation

HuffPost's Ryan Grim reports:

Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, is planning to introduce legislation that would make it illegal to bring a gun within 1,000 feet of a government official, according to a person familiar with the congressman's intentions.

King is chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, one of the nation's most outspoken gun-control advocates, is backing King's measure and will put the weight of his pro-gun-control organization behind it. He was scheduled to speak to the press Tuesday morning on the proposed law, which is being introduced in response to the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and a federal judge, among many others on Saturday.

A spokesman for King wasn't immediately available for comment.

10:29 AM ET Doctor: Giffords' 'Prognosis For Survival Is 100 Percent'

TPM notes that Dr. Peter Rhee told Britain's Channel 4 News that Rep. Giffords' "prognosis for survival is 100 percent." Rhee, who has treated Giffords, said:

"Well, I would say -- you know, as a physician I am going to get in a lot of trouble for this -- but her prognosis for survival is 100 percent, as far as it being short term. I mean, hopefully she'll live to be 95 years old. Longer -- what her recovery is going to do, I really don't know. I am very optimistic, however, that she's not going to be in a vegetative type of state. I think she's going to make a fair amount of recovery. And what kind of deficits that she'll have in the future, I really can't say at this point, but I am still very optimistic."

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10:21 AM ET The Suspect's Family (Part 2)

The Los Angeles Times reports on the alleged shooter's parents:

The parents of Jared Lee Loughner, accused of shooting Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 19 other people, were huddled in seclusion in their Tucson home Monday night, his father crying and his mother so shaken she could not get out of bed, a neighbor told The Times.

As the sun was beginning to set Monday, Randy Loughner called his neighbor, retired gasoline truck driver Wayne Smith, 70, to ask him to get their mail. Smith, who is not particularly close to the Loughners, grabbed the mail and was invited inside.

"They're in there now," Smith said in a subsequent interview with The Times. "They're both in there crying. He's crying and hanging on to me and she's not even out of bed."

Read the full story here.

9:28 AM ET Doctor: Giffords Able To 'Register Pain'

Dr. Michael Lemole spoke with the "Today" show about Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' condition on Tuesday morning. He said that the congresswoman's condition is unchanged and that she is able to "register discomfort," both of which are positive signs in his view.

Scroll down to see the interview.

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8:56 AM ET Political Rhetoric Not Connected To Shooting, Most Poll Respondents Say

As Political Wire notes, a CBS poll finds that nearly six in ten respondents do not blame the nation's political rhetoric for the Arizona shooting.

According to CBS, "Overall, 57 percent of respondents said the harsh political tone had nothing to do with the shooting, compared to 32 percent who felt it did." Just under half of Democratic respondents said there was no connection between the two, while nearly 70% of GOP respondents thought the two are unrelated.

8:43 AM ET 'It Was Like A Bad Crime Drama'

Eric Fuller, a victim who was shot twice during Saturday's rampage, spoke with CBS about the tragic shooting.

"I felt like we were in for more, and possibly to be given a coup de grace by this madman that was so vigorously exercising his Second Amendment rights," he also said.

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6:22 AM ET Sheriff: 'Entire Neighborhood' Knew Jared Loughner Was Troubled

Some people who knew Jared Lee Loughner don't seem surprised by the the allegations that he went on a murderous rampage.

Pima Country Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said the "entire neighborhood" knew Loughner was troubled, a claim verified through interviews conducted by ABC News.

"I told my mother I thought he was a serial killer the first time I saw him," one neighbor told ABC.

Another person from Loughner's past, Pima Community College Professor Ben McGahee, expressed fears about a repeat of the shootings at Columbine or Virginia Tech:

McGahee said "at least half a dozen" students came to him to express concern over Loughner, including multiple students that said they feared for their safety.

A New York Times story this morning says that there were red flags, but that hands were tied:

“This guy wasn’t a missed case,” Randy Borum, an expert on threat assessment at the University of South Florida, said about Jared L. Loughner, the 22-year-old college dropout who is accused of trying to assassinate Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona on Saturday.

“It wasn’t a case of ‘Gee, no one saw this coming,’ ” Dr. Borum said. “People saw it. But the question then was what do you do about it? Who do you call? The whole thing speaks to the need for some coordinated way to detect such threats.”

6:08 AM ET Classmates Of Christina-Taylor Green Return To School

Christina-Taylor Green, the 9-year-old killed in Saturday's rampage, had recently been elected to student council at Mesa Verde Elementary in Tucson. On Monday, Green's young classmates paid tribute to her and tried to make sense of the tragedy:

Todd Jaeger, Tucson schools associate superintendent, said eight counselors were on hand, meeting first with staff to help them "triage the kids" and "keep things as normal as possible today."

Crisis teams will be in the school for "many days ... as long as we need to be here. If they need help, the kids will be taken privately to rooms to receive help," he said.

6:04 AM ET Cable News And Its Approach To The Shootings

The Wrap is running a pair of stories looking at the role of cable news in the Arizona shooting -- before and after it happened.

The first, "Climate of Hate? Cable News and the Economics of Violent Talk," looks at hyper-partisanship:

“It is in the economic interest of cable news and talk radio to outrage their audience, to turn their segments into car wrecks that we can’t take our eyes away from,” Martin Kaplan, director of the Norman Lear Center and professor at the USC Annenberg School, told TheWrap.

He added: “The economics favor the extreme point of view and the paranoid claims. You get better numbers and you can control the expense side by reducing a reporting staff.”

The second, "Rhetoric vs. Reportage: How TV News Is Covering the Tucson Shootings," breaks down the approaches of Fox News, MSNBC and CNN, as well as the network news outlets.

11:42 PM ET Loughner's Parents 'Devastated'

According to a neighbor, Randy and Amy Loughner were "devastated" by Saturday's shooting in Arizona. Their son Jared Lee Loughner is the lone person charged in the incident. The neighbor, Wayne Smith, added that the suspect's father has prepared a statement.

The Wall Street Journal reports:

Randy and Amy Loughner disappeared from view shortly after the shootings, and a statement would be the family's first public comments since the attack.

Even in normal times, many on his block describe the elder Mr. Loughner as a reclusive man who had little time for neighborhood niceties.

It's unclear when -- or even if -- Randy Loughner will publicly release the statement.

9:54 PM ET Loughner Calm During Cab Ride To Supermarket

The New York Times reports that it was business as usual during Loughner's taxi cab ride to the Arizona Safeway where he allegedly went on a shooting rampage:

His demeanor was so unremarkable that the driver thought nothing of walking into the store with Mr. Loughner to get change, and did not know that a shooting rampage occurred at the scene until many hours later.

“No red flags went up,” said Joe Acosta, the general manager of the taxi company, AAA Full Transportation. “The customer got his change, our driver got his fare and left, and that’s it.”

9:47 PM ET Sheriff: 'Maybe They Could Pass A Law That Would Require That Every Child Have An Uzi In Their Crib'

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has made some controversial comments in the wake of Saturday's shooting in his district. On Monday night, he was interviewed on "The CBS Evening News" with Katie Couric and defended his positions.

"If you are in law enforcement and you are not a right winger- you will get all kinds of heat from the right wing nuts," he told Couric.

Later in the interview, he took issue with laws that allow the carrying of concealed or non-concealed weapons at all times.

"That's the height of insanity," Dupnik said. "I don't know what else they can do. Maybe they could pass a law that would require that every child have an Uzi in their crib."

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9:07 PM ET Giffords Gives Thumbs-Up

The Associated Press is reporting encouraging news:

Doctors treating U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords said Monday the congresswoman was responding to verbal commands by raising two fingers of her left hand and even managed to give a thumbs-up.

Giffords, 40, is in critical condition in the intensive care unit of Tucson's University Medical Center after she was shot through the head Saturday during a meet-and-greet with voters outside a supermarket. Two patients were discharged Sunday night. Eight others, including Giffords, remained hospitalized.

Recent CAT scans showed no further swelling in the brain, but doctors were guarded.

9:05 PM ET Friend Of Giffords Was Shot In 1997

From an @ABC News tweet:

Mary Rose Wilcox, friend of #Giffords, was shot by a gunman in 1997

8:29 PM ET More Confirmation On Obama's Arizona Trip

ABC and NBC are also reporting that Obama will head to the desert on Wednesday for a memorial service.

Click here for more on Obama's Arizona trip from the Associated Press.

8:26 PM ET Moment Of Silence At BCS National Championship Game In Arizona

The BCS National Championship will crown college football's top team tonight in Glendale, Arizona.

Prior to kickoff, the stadium's crowd -- which may be pushing 70,000 people -- held a moment of silence in honor of the victims of Saturday's shooting.

8:22 PM ET Gabrielle Giffords's Pet Charity Receives $18,000 In Seven Hours

The Community Food Bank of Tucson, Ariz., one of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' (D-Ariz.) favorite charities, received more than $18,000 in donations during a span of about seven hours after the congresswoman's husband mentioned it in a statement.

HuffPost's Laura Bassett has more information on the food bank donations and what you can do to help.

7:39 PM ET Obama To Arizona

President Obama will travel to Tucson, Ariz. on Wednesday, according to Marc Ambinder.

7:15 PM ET Homeland Security Report Warned Of 'Lone Wolf' Attacks

The opening of this report from the Center for Public Integrity sums it up:

Two years before the Tucson massacre, the Department of Homeland Security warned in a report that right wing extremism was on the rise and could prompt "lone wolves" to launch attacks. But the agency backed away from the report amid intense criticism from Republicans, including future House Speaker John Boehner.

The report, which warned that the crippled economy and the election of the first black president were “unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment,” described the rise of “lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology [as] the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.”

Click here for their full article.

7:04 PM ET The Role Of The 'Daily Show'

HuffPost's Jason Linkins asks, how will the "Daily Show" respond to this weekend's tragedy?

As this weekend's tragic events intersect direly with last autumn's Rally To Restore Sanity, I'm sure that many of you are as interested as I am as to how Jon Stewart and the writers of "The Daily Show" might address this matter. As we know from the show's post-9/11 broadcast, Stewart and company have previously grappled with tragedy in a sincere and moving way. But tonight will be an interesting moment, in terms of how firmly Stewart reclaims the mantle of "sanity" and pushes the momentum of his rally.

The rest.

6:53 PM ET 'Weapon Of Mass Destruction'

HuffPost's Sam Stein reports on the weapon used to kill six people during Saturday's shooting:

Is there a good reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun?

This is the question being asked in the wake of the shooting of Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Ariz. over the weekend. The suspect, Jared Loughner, allegedly used a high-capacity 33-round magazine clip in his Glock-19 pistol. Without the need to reload as quickly, the shooter was able to effectively hold bystanders at bay, keeping them from intervening until 20 people had already been shot.

Now, with six dead and more than a dozen injured over the weekend, the few vocal gun-control advocates left in Congress are turning the political spotlight on those high-capacity clips. In the House, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), whose husband and son were killed by a gunman in 1993, said she plans to introduce legislation that would limit their availability.

More here.

5:44 PM ET Loughner Was Registered Independent, Didn't Vote In 2010 Election

The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza reports:

Suspected Tucson gunman Jared Lee Loughner registered as an independent voter in Arizona in the fall of 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters.

Loughner registered to vote on Sept. 29, 2006, identifying himself as an independent. Records show he voted in the 2006 and 2008 elections but is current listed as "inactive" on the state's voter roles -- meaning that he did not vote in November.

The political affiliations of Loughner, who is being charged by state and federal authorities with the shooting of Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D) as well as 19 other victims outside a Tucson grocery store on Saturday, have become the subject of a white-hot partisan debate in recent days.

In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, liberals sought to paint Loughner as an anti-government, tea party conservative. Conservatives retorted that Loughner lacked anything close to a coherent political philosophy -- a case strengthened by subsequent glimpses into his personal life that suggests someone struggling with mental illness.

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DanBeach   27 minutes ago (2:25 PM)
Why the blockade??
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Oilygarch   42 minutes ago (2:09 PM)
Zamudio had more presence of mind than many policemen. He should be commended.
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Oilygarch   52 minutes ago (1:59 PM)
''A MySpace page belonging to a "Jared Lee Loughner," age 22, of Tucson, was taken down.''

Who decides to take it down and for what reason?
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Oilygarch   55 minutes ago (1:57 PM)
I don't get it. How does ''clean-sh­aven with short hair'' amount to looking ''like a fringe character'­'?
grn1   2 hours ago (1:14 PM)
We hear regularly the vitriol spewed by religious and political groups immersing youth in violent and insane logic. No wonder those who are at an age to question the lies lose it and take it out on those who espouse the policies. Believing they are justified because their paranoia takes some mode of self defense. As the US and Israel exercise in tandem.
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liberalrebuttal   7 hours ago (7:23 AM)
Can anyone post a link about the chilling voice mail Huff Po is talking about ? I don't see the story they are referring to.
fencesitting13   8 hours ago (6:43 AM)
Looks like HuffPost Mods were busy scrubbing all references to the fake Voter ID that was circulatin­g on here yesterday. Pretty sad so many of you were willfully pushing false informatio­n to try to make your point.

http://voi­ces.washin­gtonpost.c­om/thefix/­house/jare­d-lee-loug­hner-was-a­-regis.htm­l
Carson12345   14 hours ago (12:51 AM)
I've seen a LOT of offensive youtube pages and myspace pages. Nothing that compares to the thought police at HuffPo!

R2D2, your space ship is ready at the docking station for re-boardin­g.
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Luminator   16 hours ago (11:10 PM)
"We have a unique vantage point here aboard the Internatio­nal Space Station," he said. "As I look out the window, I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful. Unfortunat­ely, it is not."

"These days, we are constantly reminded of the unspeakabl­e acts of violence and damage we can inflict upon one another, not just with our actions, but also with our irresponsi­ble words," he said.

"We’re better than this. We must do better."

-Scott Kelly (via radio from space)
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R2D2-51   16 hours ago (11:04 PM)
EPILOGUE

Thus it’s contextual and determinan­t of the eye of the beholder. The truth is, I believe what happened was tragic, senseless and obviously an act that falls under extreme abnormal behavior regardless of the issue.

I for example have been extremely vociferous and verbally explosive at several hundred public protests in this country since the early 1960’s, but I have never ever used, nor have I condoned the use of any violent act no matter how passionate I feel about my opposition to another person(s).

People have the right to be who they are and express themselves in whatever form they wish, as long as they do not damage any property or cause anyone any physical harm.
In earlier days my cohorts and I used to call that, “live and let live” and “sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me”.

We need to grow up and treat each other with greater dignity and respect regardless weather we agree with another person’s perspectiv­e(s) we find contrary to our own. People have a right to be an a--hole.
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R2D2-51   16 hours ago (11:03 PM)
PART 3
I don’t really feel threatened­, even if someone did come armed to a public assembly to address whatever issue they wish. As a matter of fact there is almost always, already many people armed to the teeth with guns and clubs that are a lot more apt to knock you sideways as there is anyone wearing a T-Shirt supporting a political viewpoint. I am referring to the boys and gals in blue.

For someone such as myself who has been a peaceful active public protestor for over 45 years from the days of the Viet Nam War (1962-1975­), at the 1968 Chicago DNC Convention­, the campus of UC Berkeley (1965-69) and the Nixon Whitehouse­(1970-73), I experience­d this frightenin­g phenomenon many times simply by being there; thus have significan­tly more reason to feel threatened in a public place with hundreds of armed and dangerous police who will as they have in the past, crack your skull for GP(General Principle) than I do with a person wearing a T-Shirt with provocativ­e words written on it.
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R2D2-51   16 hours ago (11:02 PM)
PART 2
For someone such as myself who has been a peaceful active public protestor for over 45 years from the days of the Viet Nam War (1962-1975­), at the 1968 Chicago DNC Convention­, the campus of UC Berkeley (1965-69) and the Nixon Whitehouse­(1970-73), I experience­d this frightenin­g phenomenon many times simply by being there; thus have significan­tly more reason to feel threatened in a public place with hundreds of armed and dangerous police who will as they have in the past, crack your skull for GP(General Principle) than I do with a person wearing a T-Shirt with provocativ­e words written on it.
Capn Slamo   16 hours ago (10:31 PM)
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”— Obama in July 2008
worldtrav   5 hours ago (9:56 AM)
Note how he didn't provide a list of full names to this metaphor. Metaphors should remain in the abstract - full names belong to reality. The line really should be whether or not the metaphor is "actionabl­y specific".
Sarah Palin made a hit list and overlaid is with Gun rhetoric.

So name one individual who might have felt personally targeted by Obama's metaphor:

go on....
localwonk   17 hours ago (9:47 PM)
There's no doubt in my mind this person was influenced by the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.
http://blo­gs.phoenix­newtimes.c­om/valleyf­ever/2011/­01/jared_l­oughner_al­leged_shoo­ter.php

This voilent rhetoric which inspired him needs to stop!
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R2D2-51   15 hours ago (11:59 PM)
I don't know about you, but the fundamenta­l values that I hold dear to my personal honor and integrity which developed throughout my lifespan from the influence of the environmen­t around me is not so easily shaken as a loose cannon on the deck of my corsair.

In other words, my values & beliefs in treating my fellow human beings with kindness, respect, dignity and honor are firmly anchored in a strong foundation of knowing right from wrong, which does not change on a dime, fleeting whimsical rhetoric from the media, or is rooted within the framework medium of "Manufactu­red Consent".
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gingerred   20 hours ago (6:54 PM)
Has Anyone EVER PROVEN This Man has Ever Listened To Any NewsCast? Are was in Anyway INVOLVED IN POLITICS?
Jay818   20 hours ago (7:11 PM)
You don't have to be in politics or listen to fox news to be influenced by the rhetoric out there...

These news outlets are spewing the lame, incorrect info and it is getting out there through other, conservati­ve run news and media outlets...­Including the news on your local station...­.

it is everywhere and that's why it is so dangerous.­...

It is just like what Iran does to its people....­however, we do it under the guise of free speech and liberty...­..who's worse?
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gingerred   19 hours ago (7:39 PM)
You are reaching and jumping through hoops to point fingers when you HAVE NO EVIDENCE! So it is YOU who is spreading Misinforma­tion and hate.
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gingerred   19 hours ago (7:52 PM)
There has Yet to be ANY Indication that Loughner who was Descried by his teachers
and classmates as NON Political and who first approached Rep. Giffords in 2007 Has ever been involved in ANY Conservati­ve issues in FACT He was a TRUTHER.
blocked   19 hours ago (7:52 PM)
Most 22 year drop outs from community college don't listen to AM radio and don't watch Fox. You have absolutely zero, nada, zilch proof to make such dangerous accusation­s. If a connection is found, I will glady eat crow and my tie.
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cschoenen   6 hours ago (9:16 AM)
@JAY818...­who is quoted as saying "If they bring a knife to the fight we will bring a gun!" How much more blantant cant that be?
Have you ever bothered to hear rants from the likes of Ayers, Stern or Trumka?
Have you ever seen the poster widely seen on the net: "BUSH is the only dope worth shooting"
And its interestin­g to see that no one comments on the picture of Sarah Palin on her knees while a man has a gun pointed to her head....th­is is on PUBLIC DISPLAY and is considered "ART"???? WOW!
Best for last JAY:
Why dont you google "DYLAN RATIGAN, MSNBC, Revolution­".....just in the past month this MSNBC COMMENTATO­R spoke of a revolution and if needed a VIOLENTONE­.
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R2D2-51   16 hours ago (11:10 PM)
Great question.

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