'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friend

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It is rare for the Society for Science of Reason to become involved with, or even publicly support, people who upload material to YouTube. Although we fully acknowledge the advantages and importance of this website as a means to communicate, we try to avoid any so-called ‘YouTube drama'.

However, it has come to our attention that a friend of ours has been threatened with legal action by a user known as ‘Waterworks4U,’ the YouTube presence of the website Waterworks4U.com.

They have threatened our friend who goes by the username Answersinbooks with ‘slander and copyright’

Answersinbooks made a video responding to this user, the video has been posted down below.

We at scienceofreason.org fully support Answersinbooks, as well as free speech and the promotion of good science. We feel that ‘Waterworks4U’ is a threat to these and that is why we intend to continue our support of the rebuttal of  ‘Waterworks4U’.

We’ll follow this issue closely and offer as much information as we can in the coming days. In the mean time, watch both the videos provided below and read and understand this disclaimer found at the bottom of  Waterworks4U.com:

“All information presented through this web site, or associated manufacturers, has not been evaluated by the FDA, and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. These products are neither formulated nor prescribed for any medical condition; they are formulated for use as an important addition to the daily diet.”

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-28 # Really?Son of Peter 2011-02-04 08:43
My father Peter is a good man providing an honest product to the public. This is not some big company but a single dad of three kids who his whole life has helped others. He sells these machines way!! Below his competitors prices with far superior quality just to make them affordable so not just the rich can have one but the common family. The science channel has had them featured in one of there specials about a man using one to live longer. These machines work bottom line, they do! I was the first to be skeptical of it. Until I've witness numerous clients of his transform from the day they start treatment. Several cancer clinics carry his machine!!  This is a man that has devoted his life to helping others. When I saw the first video I was shocked that someone would go so far out of the way to piss on him. I'm baffled to who could really be behind this. After all in a world run by drug companies, health isn't very profitable. Could this slanderer be a wolf in sheep's clothing? Or just a random soul who has found a cure fore ones napoleon syndrome via YouTube rants and half-baked critics.  It's pretty easy to bully people when you hide anonymously behind a computer, Creating childish drama, slander and gossip and crying out free speech while ripping ones character. How would you feel if your father was falsely labeled a scam-artist while spreading flat out lies? I beg of the followers of this to just let this run it's corse, my father did not deserve this he truly is a good man with pure intentions of helping people. Collectively if we focused our energy into creating instead of destroying we would be living in a much better world tomorrow.  
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+13 # RE: Really?Lewis A. Beach 2011-02-05 00:55
Dear Son of Peter

I read your comment with great intrigue and I'll assume you are who you claim to be and I hope (but doubt) that you'll understand why I'm skeptical of any claim of association, let alone support, to or for this organization (no matter how big or small it actually is).

Well what a sales pitch you offer! the first part of your comment sounded just like the stranded drivel one would expect to hear at a 3 star hotel seminar.

The rest of your comment was not only difficult to read but also very scary. Your claim that cancer clinics carry this machine is of great concern, if you could provide me with the names of these clinics I'd like to follow the use of this machine up, I'd also like to ask you to provide and peer-reviewed research of this machine and the supposed benefits that come from using it. Also any link to the piece on the science channel would be greatly appreciated.

I'm afraid your anecdotal evidence means nothing; when it comes to medical research it is imperative that we are as aware as we can possibly be to the functionality and the benefits of such a machine.

If in anyway you are insinuating that our friend is a poe, of sorts, or as you put it "a wolf in sheep's clothing" working for or behalf of a drug company that is a completely ludicrous claim! Why would a wealthy drug company create a YouTube account and create a personalty via which they debunk many anti-scientific claims just to slander your father and his machine. Very, very poor reasoning.

Our friend, like us, cares very passionately about real science. Any intrusion of pseudo-science such as your fathers machine and the claims he makes on his very well constructed website we feel must be combated. Not for our own goals but in order to remove unneeded and unjustifiable nonsense.

My colleague and co-founder on this website (not the creator of the video) visited your fathers website and was absolutely appalled at what he saw. He is now, as I'm responding, writing an article looking at the various claims on your fathers website and explaining just why they don't work and the dangers of promoting them.

There is a reason why your father has at the bottom of his page a disclaimer that reads: "All information presented through this web site, or associated manufacturers, has not been evaluated by the FDA, and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. These products are neither formulated nor prescribed for any medical condition; they are formulated for use as an important addition to the daily diet"

As for your accusations: our friend was pointing out not only the many flaws in your fathers claims but also the fact that the so-called threats this machine is designed to prevent or at least combat, either don't exist or are no way a real threat to us. Certainly not enough to spend the amount your father charges for one of these machines.

Our friend has nothing to gain from this why would he fight against the threat of legal action your father is instigating. A man who according to you "truly is a good man with pure intentions of helping people"

This has included a DMCA against our friend and the flagging of his videos. Is this how your father deals with criticism of his work? Is he usually in the practice of cowardly silencing anyone who has a problem with his work, people who find scientific faults with your fathers machine and reasoning.

This is a shameful act.

"Collectively if we focused our energy into creating instead of destroying we would be living in a much better world tomorrow."

How can we do this when someone like your father, and your for supporting his actions, attempts to silence his critics. Shame on your father and shame on you.

If your father really had discovered something as important and revolutionary as this machine, a machine for which he charges greatly the privilege of using, why do his claims not match up to scientific scrutiny.

Good science does not come about by silencing people in such a cowardly way, it comes from the recognition of mistakes and the credibility to submit ones work to peer-review.

As I mentioned my co-founder and colleague of this website (not the creator of the video) will be uploading an article detailing the problems with the claims made on your fathers website.


sincerely yours, a concerned critic
- Lewis
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-27 # RE: RE: Really?Graeme Bird 2011-02-20 04:37
You silence persistent and unrepentant liars any chance you can get. Answersinbooks is a particularly nihilistic liar since hsi misrepresentati ons can lead to many needless deaths.
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-12 # RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendSon of Peter 2011-02-06 09:42
Before you start writing your opinions. Since you claim to be a man of science and reason Unlike your friend [Removed: personal information by request],  Do some experiments. Unless your science is short for scientology, I'd be willing to let you use my machine or we can do it via webcam whatever you'd like.  Beyond the ph levels that these machines create. I believe the  best benefit is it's reduction potential. I'll post some links if you or any other readers are not versed. 
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduction_potential?wasRedirected=true
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioxidant?wasRedirected=true
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Now this can be measured!!! 
In everything, our waters, bottled, soda everything. Instead of going by what you've been told about "the world" being flat how about you hop on a boat with me and see for yourself that it's not.
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+4 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendAlexander Daly 2011-02-06 12:39
Hi,

I'm Alex Daly, a cofounder of the website and the colleague Lewis Beach mentioned in his previous comment. I will be writing the article reviewing the claims associated with water ionizers, which can be analyzed by exploring and applying some general rules of chemistry.

That said, I would be glad to also write an article detailing an experimental analysis of your product. You are welcome to either send a machine to me in California, or to Lewis Beach and his friend Answersinbooks (who will be running the trials) in the United Kingdom. If either of these offers appeal to you, please notify us by contacting contact@science ofreason.org, and we can coordinate a method of delivery.

Thanks,
Alex
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+7 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendLewis A. Beach 2011-02-06 13:56
I'm guessing you are Peter Goodgold, and that you are responding on behalf of your son.

First of all, I have never claimed to be a man of science, other than the very basic UK education qualification in science I posses no further scientific qualifications. My qualifications are in media and communications. No one on the editorial board on this website has anymore than a great passion and enthusiasm for good science and the promotion of it. However, everyone on the editorial board, aside from myself, plan to peruse qualifications in science, I intend to study philosophy and psychology very soon.

This information is clear throughout the website, we are a non-profit educational society who intend to flush out bad science and ideas when we can.

By the way before I continue; on this discussion may I ask what your qualifications are, within science or any other field?

I do however maintain that I am a man of reason and that is why we run this site, in an attempt to promote it; morally, scientifically and logically.

Your very amusing and well thought out pun does lead me nicely into my next area of response.

"I'd be willing to let you use my machine or we can do it via webcam whatever you'd like."

I would love the opportunity to be able to use, and submit samples taken from your machine. We would be very great full to be allowed to use one of these machine. This would then allows us to "Do some experiments."

Now, I am based in the United Kingdom but if you are willing to ship a machine to me, and then I'll send it back at your discretion, I can collect some water samples and at the same time try it myself to see if I do feel any better after introducing it into my diet.

We'd also love it if you would ship a machine to our California base where we could carry out the same experiments and experience.

Obviously if you do not wish to send two machines out we understand completely and ask if you would decide where you wish to send a machine or any of your other products.

My colleague Alex Daly has isued you the same offer and where to contact us; contact@science ofreason.org, should you wish to continue with your offer.

Also I asked your son: "if you could provide me with the names of these [cancer] clinics I'd like to follow the use of this machine up, I'd also like to ask you to provide any peer-reviewed research of this machine and the supposed benefits that come from using it. Also any link to the piece on the science channel would be greatly appreciated."

I hope you or your son can oblige and provide me with this information.

I'll leave my response as it is for now and allow you the chance to reply

Thank you.
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-14 # RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendTent Rez 2011-02-06 11:07
Where's your credentials? This man is a doctor approving alkaline water! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwSCFyTUXXY&feature;=youtube_gdata_p layer
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+5 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendAlexander Daly 2011-02-06 12:45
And this man is a doctor who is skeptical of alkaline water.

www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA98873/Does-Alkaline-Water-Promote-Health.html

I don't think that link proved anything more to you than your link did to me. How about we think critically about the issue at hand instead?
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+7 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendLewis A. Beach 2011-02-06 21:43
http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young3.html That's a link looking into the obfuscated past of 'Dr' Robert Young.
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+2 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-20 04:39
Asking for credentials amounts to the double fallacy of arguing against the man and an appeal to authority.
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+2 # RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendLewis A. Beach 2011-02-10 01:31
There was a comment posted that simply stated:

'Quote Lewis A. Beach'

I link was posted

Your Dr Weil was on there as well.

Unfortunately when accidentally posted my response before it was completed I deleted what was there but it also deleted the comment I was responding too.

Should 'Smith' read this please re-post your comment, I apologies for the minor error.

My response to the comment is...

and? the fact is that you have to search for your doctors and then when you cite them they appear to have questionable credentials.

The post by Dr Weil was posted to show you that one doctor does not go anywhere near proving that an alkaline water based diet is any better for ones' heath. Let alone trying to justify Peter Goodgold's highly expensive machine.
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-8 # RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendronaldmcd 2011-02-10 01:52
goes to show how your website discussions are set up. i bet you are deleting many comments in protest of your claims. VERY BIAS!
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+7 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendLewis A. Beach 2011-02-10 09:59
Brilliant! Whenever we deal with the pseudo-science lot unfounded and ridiculous claims are made. Notions of conspiracy are ripe.

Why is this?

Well you people can only thrive in a realm where thinking is dead. Your ideas and machine only make sense in a nonsensical and brain dead worldview.

Think (if you can) for a very brief moment why would I possibly acknowledge the fact that there was once a comment and then, to the best that my memory would permit, reproduce it and then ask for 'smith', the user-name through which the comment was posted, to re post the comment and then admitted to this mistake.

You have got to be joking if you can seriously maintain your deeply flawed position.

We are not the individuals who are silencing others, Peter Goodgold filed DMCA against videos criticizing him. He is a coward.

For shame on you both; with your anti-scientific, spiritual clap trap quackery
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-23 # RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-15 23:31
Lewis what is wrong with you? What's the matter with you? What are you main core problems? You tell me I don't know. You tell me I choose not to diagnose your unrighteous ass from afar.

This was a simple task. Do the machines work? Yes they do. Do the machines turn the salt in the water to bleach? No the salt in the water stays salt. Are the machines HELPFUL in treating cancer. Yes they are.

I got all those three questions right prior to testing the machines. You have matters entirely wrong. These weren't difficult matters to sort out. Don't wait around for that alkaliser to show up in the mail so you can test it. Its not coming. The fact that the machines work, verified (LITERALLY) millions of times over, does not wait on you kids testing the machines personally.

Don't wait by the mailbox for that honorary degree in epistemology to show up either. I swear that its not coming.

Now I appreciate what you kids are trying to do here. And you guys appear to be very good writers. But you are at school at a time when the stupid have become upwardly-mobile. Certainly in the wider world. Even moreso in the bureaucracy of taxeater-"science."

Science has always been a principled rebellion. And yet you suckers are mindlessly supporting the old and tired status quo in all matters.

Pick yourselves up off your knees you look disgusting. There is still time for you to become SCIENTISTS and not just taxeating science workers. I have confidence that there is still time because at least you guys went to the effort of starting this blog.
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+13 # RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendLewis A. Beach 2011-02-10 22:52
and Mr Goodgold, we are waiting for you to contact us about your offer
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-22 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-14 02:55
Why would Goodgold reply to people who are such committed and obsessive irrationalists. Answerinbooks claims the machines don't work. They work. Answerinbooks claims that the machines produce bleach out of the salt thats in the water. The salt stays salt.

If some hysterical crowd is just going to lie about such matters, they are not up to any sort of rational debate.
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-25 # RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-14 02:32
Answersinbooks is entirely full of shit. Its simply amazing that there are people around so fundamentally stupid as to have fallen for his ludicrous video. The nutter stays firmly within a subroutine wherein he implies that alkalisers use distilled water.
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-16 # RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendhoodratcat 2011-02-18 04:29
GUDDAM NIGGA!!!!!!!!!! LOOKS LIKE YALL JUST GOT SERVED!!!! ;P
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-15 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-20 02:58
Quite
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+9 # RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendevilneko 2011-02-20 19:21
Indeed you did get served, Mr. Bird. Indeed you did.
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-12 # RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-20 20:16
Choose science fella. And you won't need to choose bluff.
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+8 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendevilneko 2011-02-20 21:23
You're just like NephilimFree. Got everything backwards.
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-11 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-20 22:59
Apologize for being so retarded you thought that the machines didn't work or produced bleach.

No use you kids coming in under other names. That you haven't retracted shows who you are. You cannot hide your unscientific natures and you cannot improve without retracting your proven errors.

Shame on you Lewis for trying on the sock-puppet incitement routine.
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+7 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendsimulacrum 2011-02-21 10:58
You claim they work, they don't.
See how easy it is to make a claim without evidence?

This is what you keep on doing. You keep saying "it works" But provide nothing by way of evidence. No peer-reviewed literature. No double-blind experimentation with a large sample size. Nothing. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without argument. You have failed to discharge your burden of proof hence the null hypothesis stands.
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-8 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-21 22:20
They work alright. You are a liar. Last night I tested the water at 10.2+. Thats my best equal. I can guarantee 9.7 or above.

Another lie exactly the same as Answersinbooks. He wanted a report from TWO (2) different labs. When the fact is that everyone who buys one also has a pH testing kit.
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGalvin 2011-02-22 22:58
"I (somebody who wants them to work and a person who is therefore biased) made a test of them (and my test results shown randomly over the internet w/ no evidence supporting the figures is supposed to be taken as fact because I wrote something down in 3 seconds online)
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+3 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendMatthew McCormick 2011-02-23 00:52
Graeme Bird,

We are not taking issue with the fact that you can change the pH of the water. Big fucking deal. Anyone with a fish tank knows you can change the pH of water. The claim we take issue with is that these machines provide positive health benefits.

No one gives a shit if you tested the water at 10.2, or that these machines come with a pH testing kit. You can by pH testing kits just about anywhere.

Now, please provide evidence for the claims that these machines prevent diseases like cancer and keep you healthier. If you cannot, then please, take your pH test kit and shove it.

Matthew McCormick
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-4 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-23 01:20
Wait a minute Lewis?

Are you trying to get out of recanting?

The machines work!!!!!!!!! You were too stupid to have this SORTED!!!!!!

Are you now trying to avoid a retraction?
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-5 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-22 23:26
They come with a warranty and a pH tester.

Lewis. If you are going to renew and sustain your claim that the machines don't work thats fine.

But lets have some evidence. HAVE YOU TESTED THEM LEWIS?

You haven't have you? No you haven't.

I have.
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+7 # Graeme & EvidenceJustin 2011-02-21 18:53
Is there any theory too far-out that are willing to accept without evidence?

How do you defend a man that simultaneously claims that life (disease) spontaneously generates in an acidic environment AND claims on his website that the acid water his product produces kills bacteria?
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-6 # RE: Graeme & EvidenceGraeme Bird 2011-02-21 22:16
He doesn't make that claim. Thats just you mindlessly following the lies of answersinbooks. Thats if you are not answersinbooks. This is groundhog day in that answersinbooks lied precisely the same way. So if you aren't him then you must have picked up this meme from some internet sewer like Randis place.
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-8 # RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-21 22:25
So here we are. Machines sold out of Byron Bay (a small town) under warranty, everyone gets a pH tester. And still answersinbooks comes back to lie again and again and again.

Why do you think Goodgold acted? What else are you supposed to do with a belligerent and terminal liar of this sort?

There never once was a reason to suspect that the machines didn't work. The small companies that sell the machines would obviously go out of business immediately if the machines did not work.

And yet EVERY SKEPTIC GOT THIS ABSOLUTELY VERIFIED FACT WRONG.

This points to desperate epistemological handicaps in the skeptic camp. I've never been to a place where the incumbents are more stupid than those at Randis.
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+3 # RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGalvin 2011-02-22 23:02
If the fact has been verified so much why are you so hesitant to give ANY proof. Literally the only proof you have given is "I said so." and irrelevant arguments that, if used against you, you would want proof for. Until you give credible sources (credible = source that has a degree has has not been shown to have been a scammer) the allegation of you being a liar will hold.
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-5 # RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-22 23:22
So what is the claim you are making? Are you claiming I DON'T have a digital pH tester at work?

Are you claiming that every owner DOESN'T have a dye tester at home?

Are you claiming that Alkaway DOESN'T sell under warranty?

Make you claim explicit and lets have your evidence for them.

And Lewsi?

How about calling yourself Lewis and taking some responsibility for your nihilistic, tribal, and anti-science position here.
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+2 # RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendThomas Leichtle 2011-02-22 23:40
I do believe, what everyone here wants to see, is that you point us to any peer reviewed paper or other valid research done proving your claim that this machine works as advertised or at least proving your claim, period.

However, from your responses it seems that you are either incapable or unwilling to do so, even though, at least in my opinion, that should not be such a hard thing to provide.

Oh, and you having a digital pH tester is not conclusive proof that this machine works. The same is true for every owner having a dye tester at home or alkaway selling under warranty.

I do have to tell you, though, that your position is the anti-scientific one, as you put up a claim, which you do not follow up with any evidence, that would hold up to the scientific method in any way, shape or form.

Under these circumstances, I believe you will find it understandable that people will call you a liar, fraud or conman. If you do not understand this, however, then you might want to think about stopping to make claims, which you can not support with evidence.
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-4 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-22 23:56
No no Lewis. If you have a claim to make, make your claim explicit.

Now is the claim that consumer durables sellers from small towns can sell their products MAIL ORDER without warranty?

Is you claim that a small business can make no sales and STILL BE IN BUSINESS?????

Don't be shy Lewis. What exactly are you claiming?
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-6 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendGraeme Bird 2011-02-23 00:06
Third parties take note. Notice just how delusional and mentally challenged the skeptics are:

"Oh, and you having a digital pH tester is not conclusive proof that this machine works. The same is true for every owner having a dye tester at home or alkaway selling under warranty......"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH

What?

Does the company pay for an illusionist and Osama Bin Crestin to come to EVERY SINGLE BUYERS house, and those two and Uri Geller start playing silly-buggers with the dye test?

Consider the conspiracy theorist. All these illusionists have to hide in your apartment until they are confident that you are totally through with the pH tester.

Make no mistake. In the world today there are no people so stupid as the skeptics.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 'Waterworks4U' wants to silence our friendPseudoskalar 2011-02-23 12:17
Quoting Graeme Bird:
Make no mistake. In the world today there are no people so stupid as the skeptics.


All scientists are skeptics. Their profession/employing the scientific method demands it.

Not particularly smart calling people stupid when you yourself say such stupid things. Worse it does nothing for discourse but is just misdirected anger due to your inability to back up your claims using peer reviewed literature.

Let's start again. Have any randomized, double blind studies been conducted to show the health benefits of these machines and if yes could you please point us towards them? Thanks
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