Winds have turned, hot particles to head south from Fukushima — Advice is to leave Tokyo if Unit No. 4 collapses (AUDIO)

Transcript for Exclusive Arnie Gundersen Interview: The Dangers of Fukushima Are Worse and Longer-lived Than We Think, Chris Martenson, June 3, 2011:

Arnie Gundersen, nuclear consultant


[N]ow the winds have turned, so they are heading to the south toward Tokyo and now my concern and my advice to friends that if there is a severe aftershock and the Unit 4 building collapses, leave. We are well beyond where any science has ever gone at that point and nuclear fuel lying on the ground and getting hot is not a condition that anyone has ever analyzed. [...]

[M]ainly cesium and strontium – those are going to head south, whether or not there is a tropical hurricane. The wind is going to push it south this time and so the issue is not the total radiation you might measure with a Geiger counter in your hand, but hot particles. [...]

Listen to the audio interview here.

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160 comments to Winds have turned, hot particles to head south from Fukushima — Advice is to leave Tokyo if Unit No. 4 collapses (AUDIO)

  • Steven

    This is the quiet monster that has had my attention for some time… ‘spent’ fuel pool is actually a mix of spent (dirty) fuel and fresh hot fuel. Let’s pray that they can shore up the structure and keep the pool full of water until it cools – that’s going to take some time yet, apparently.

    Oh, and pray for no further severe aftershocks.

    • I hate to break it to you… But anyone that goes near that reactor as of last month, will be dead in five minutes tops…
      Thus were looking at a unavoidable near future reality…

      • Patron Saint

        Maybe, Mr. tacomagroove. I’m betting on the Samuri spirit, men lining by the thousands to die for the Emperor (and for their families).

        Of course, that can’t happen unless Japan admits to the problem.

        So “maybe you are right.”

        If Japan “requested volunteers,” I’d go in a heartbeat. After all, I’m old … and what the hell.

        Many people of my age are physically capable, and would jump at the chance for “a meaningful departure.”

        • There are “in fact” several united states companies hiring for this very suicide mission.

          I also feel that what needs to be done will fall along these lines. (a massive last ditch effort to avoid “full impact”)
          However

          I wanted to mention something you are all probably unaware of…

          It will take anywhere between 1 and 10 months of time, for engineers to build a working blueprint to advert the tragedy all together. After the blueprint is established. It will take roughly 2 months of shipping in materials needed just to prep for the job.

          There is NOT enough cement in all of japan to accomplish this project (to date). Thats the absolute truth, they need thousands of tons of cement alone. Not to mention robotics, laborers (by the thousands)., as well as flight personnel; and shipping vessels…

          International communities should be on high levels of alert. When it comes to assisting japan in overcoming a full on apocalyptic nightmare…

          Thats a “to-date” alert; meaning if they are not already approaching the topic via international diplomatic cables, The japanese are completely unprepared for whats to come, and the loss of even a single hour in a full scale criticality, is the very difference in life and death to all of humanity.

          One can only hope that quietly things are already happening… Aside from the preparations of nuclear fallout shelters.

          • Suicide Mission or Bust

            Suicide Mission

            When I made application for a suicide mission, those companies in America asked about my experience.

            “At suicide?” I asked.

            Yes, US companies hire people to work at Fukushima — at $5,000/week, or more, in some cases.

            Those companies only want specialists, people with skills that are valuable in the nuclear industry.

            Those companies mock the ultimate skill: athletic and suicidal. For now, anyhow.

            But I’ll tell you something — the French Foreign Legion ought to fix this nasty problem. “We came here to die,” they say, and mean it.

          • Thought Id comment on that.

            According to the news releases, They are hiring laborers no skills needed; in fact all you needed was a passport and a family that wouldn’t mind you leaving…

            says it plain as day in the add.

            So are these the specialists you were mentioning?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM3S2KCVVzU

          • Suicide Mission or Bust

            Thanks you.

            I’ll look into it. The needs of those companies must have changed in the past 7 weeks, or maybe I didn’t know about the companies that you mention. I’ll google it.

            People, I beg you: Don’t blame tacomagroove for being helpful, truthful and honest. I respect his knowledge and his courage.

            I suffer from a fatal genetic disorder that can’t be cured — and before it kills it does much worse.

            In other words, I’m nearly out of time.

            If they’re hiding terrible secrets, I’ll get back to you — providing they accept me in the first place.

          • Saint Patron.

            I will send my prayers with you. I will also fight with you on the line should the situation progress…

            as it is in my best interest in regards to my childs future…

            thats why I write. and do what I can.

            I am thankful that some people feel its admirable…
            Cheers.
            Emmy.

          • God post, tacomagroove.

            You talk of logistics yet I have experienced situations where, when enough people extract the digit and work together for common cause, great works can be achieved (pyramids & panama canal excepted due to use of slave labor).

            For instance, how long do you think it would take a globally coordinated team to entirely ring-pile Daiichi to isolate it from every direction but above, _then_ attempt to fill/ cover everything within, at least to a level where the radiation is contained?

            Much less time than we might think, once enough people realise it’s their childrens lives at stake. Look how quickly Japanese alone can build harbours – ring piling (~ 6 to 8 km circumference?) shouldn’t take too long, given enough ships, global resources and pile drivers – and there are plenty of these in the world – China and Holland come immediately to mind.

            But of course this is all pie in the sky whilst politicians front for psychopaths.

          • Joeb
            that was my point:)
            IF we rattle enough people it might be an avoidable situation (the apocalypse of mankind).

            fyi… Thats why I write the doom and gloom.

            In reality if people / internationally and nationally do not wake up and take action… This situation will get worse… Humanity will fall to the elements…

            The doom will be on…

        • Darth

          @Patron Saint,

          Rather than throw your remaining years away why not instead spread the message to STOP all use of nuclear power in your country. Now there would be a legacy to leave for your children and grandchildren for generations to come.

          BTW what does Fukushima mean in Japanese?

          • Son of Patron Saint

            Patron Saint has gone to sleep. He has terminal cancer.

            My dad would agree with your comments — but he has months, not years, to live.

            Dad would like “to kick some ass” before he dies, that’s all.

            Dad is wealthy — we all are wealthy. He “secretly” donates time and money to charities of all kinds.

            Dad hates people who value money more than human life.

            Dad desires to leave this world in style (hey, don’t we all?).
            And it’s far too late, as Dad points out, to kick the shit out of Tricky Dick (a.k.a. Richard Nixon, rest in peace).

          • Son of Patron Saint

            By the way, Patron Saint is not my father’s user name. Earlier today, I used the name of Patron Saint (as a joke) and Dad followed on behind me, forgetting to change the name.

            Dad would prefer a user name like “Help Someone or Get Out of My Sight.”

          • ocifferdave

            @Son of Patron Saint: hydrazine sulfate worked to regress 50% terminal cancer tumors in chernobyl victims. i would like to donate money to a Help Fukushima Victims type website over the next 60 years. Could you hire a good website making firm to make a very professional website that chronicles what is going on, who needs help (ie kids need host family in [foreign country], money for meds/clean food here, sign this petition to your country’s leader for anti nuclear xyz, etc)? please premise the website in memory of your father, what he did over there, and what he stood for. i for one could use such man’s legacy to inspire me and my children in this brave new world.

          • ocifferdave

            I donated HS to save my mom’s best friend and it worked. I donated HS to friend at church for his dad sent home to die in a week. He lived many more months with tons of life and energy–something he hadn’t had before HS.

            Interesting opinion piece on Hydrazine Sulfate (a cheap to make, unpatenable natural product that helps 50% patients eliminate cachexia so they can have the resources/energy once more to fight cancer with their own body and have tumor regression).

            http://www.insolutions.info/cancertreatment.html

            the NCI (US National Cancer Institute) are monsters of similar cloth to the IAEA. I’ve been following HS since ’93, called Dr. Gold’s Syracuse Cancer Institute of New York for clinical info/papers, and have written a report about them to my university back in the 90′s. Only country that fully embraced this was USSR docs that got a lot of positive use out of HS after Chernobyl.

          • @Darth believe it or not “Fukushima” means “Lucky Island” :(

          • Maa

            Nope you are wrong. It means blessed island.

          • What’s “blessed disaster” in Japanese?

        • alexa

          Patron Saint,

          If you have money resources, you should consider placing adds/ encouraging and giving USD 5,000 per person to a few people in Tokyo who are willing to relocate to Latin America.

          If you can organize a group to form a Japanese community in Latin America, other people in Tokyo will hear and will move also. I think Japanese people need encouragement from someone they respect – you and other people you know could be the respected people. Organization of evacuation is key.

      • pAnIc

        Define “near” – there are about 1000 people working on-site for longer than 5 mins.

        Then again, all your “theories” so far are unproven.

        • Not entirely.
          I predicted the explosions of each reactor to date on the exact dates they would explode… this was prior to them meeting their fate’s, As well as predicting that the radiation would be hitting the usa, and the reactors being in full meltdown. Which I have absolute proof of prior to every event mentioned. BTW I protested on the iaea site, about the withholding of information, which only attributed in leading to me being banned…

          May I ask…
          What are your theories?

          Also where is your evidence to support your claims. (1000 workers on site. “as of right now”…) Do you have a list of names? and operations taking place in fukushima?

          Thats a pretty bold claim when the tepco control center is located 3-5 miles away from the reactors in fukushima; While they are forced to use robotic cranes and watering engines to take accurate readings and actually provide cooling on site…

          Near: within an equal distance to have their healths affected by the present radiation levels on site. Which are indeed above the human threshold.

          • Sickputer

            I guess you know why the onsite webcam is positioned to show what they want the world to see. I think workers are few and not doing the kinds of grab and run operations of the 1986 liquidators. They are afraid of the massive debris that is very hot. Unit 3′s explosion did far more harm to the complex than they are willing to reveal at this time.

          • Ken

            Taco, taco, taco, you haven’t predicted squat, not one non-obvious thing.

            There were no nuclear explosions, nobody disputed that some radiation would reach other countries, and there is no evidence of the continuing fission/criticality you talked so much about. You throw around plenty of pseudo-science, with about as much sticking as one would expect in an unscrubbed toilet. Will you finally stop this nonsense when you June doom date has come and gone?

            You’re just one of the bad news bears stoking the masses, probably to help the disaster profiteers sell their wares or push traffic somewhere.

  • larry-andrew-nils

    i”ve seen it before, and now again; the winds start towards japan when the smoke stops.

    this is the link to see clear skies at fuk u shima.

    hmmm… does shima mean non japanese?

      • larry-andrew-nils

        imagine if the tepco is using fukushima plant as a way to dispose of the entire spent-fuel in the country…

        and that that had been the plan all along…

        because why can they control it when the winds are south to stop the smoke?…

        even if not true can i be blamed for having to wonder what-the-hell and coming up with this scenario?… look, the scenario fits better than not.

        • Right on, Larry – it’s got to the stage for me it appears that everything we’ve been told so far has been scripted – including ‘Uncle figure’ Arnie, sad to say.

          With such a dearth of truth, it is inevitable that thinking souls will attempt to construct a rational scenario for themselves ( a truly heart-rending example is those Fukushima mothers STILL trying to assess whether to get their children out of school and leave the area – covered on ex-skf.blogspot.com )

          Such ‘rational scenarios’ however can only lead to hysteria & eventual insanity through imposed cognitive dissonance, unless real hard facts are established.

          This is not something any government or media combine seems the least interested in……

    • stockdude

      fukushima means island of dreams

  • Bread+Butter

    I hope all the readers here which are still in Tokyo get this message, pick up their stuff and leave. It’s heartbreaking already, not sure if I could handle pictures of families, old and disabled being stranded in this.

  • IM Shocked…
    People still live in Tokyo??? didn’t they get the memo?
    ;)

    • Bread+Butter

      I just wanted to express my concern. Nothing funny about it

    • larry-andrew-nils

      i think the people are mostly waiting to be told to leave.

      they don’t like to think about that the government may be endangering them.

      i think they are waiting to be told and that this is the sad psychology of the situation.

      the government should act quickly if there is a danger.

      (or is there no danger because they can stop the smoke when the winds change)… sorry.

    • from tokyo

      Thank you very much.

      > i think they are waiting to be told and that this is the sad psychology of the situation.

      Exactly…

      • Justice

        But wouldn’t we do the same here in the USA. Actually I think the folks living in California are waiting for the tap on the shoulder too. Sad psychological problem…it’s so easy to see the twisted behavior of others….I think the USA should wake up and organize and stop shaking their heads at Japan, fish swim, air flows, we are all on the same planet…we are in the same dilema! !

        • Bread+Butter

          I agree, but to be honest I wonder people in california don’t riot to get “el diablo” shut down, which sits on a fault line at their doorstep and which failure would cause the severest damage to the US. Isn’t everyone expecting “the Big One” anytime soon?
          Just to mention…

          • Justice

            I wonder too. Why has organized protest not been used since the 60′s. Could it be that we all have terrible images from the TV in our minds from recent clashes..of police beating the hell out of “crazy terrorisitic protesters.” That would make anyone think twice and that’s why they show it to us on the TV over and over..got to keep the masses in line. But, I think we don’t have much to loose in this case and maybe we don’t even have the world to gain at this point…translation…I’m ready to protest!

          • Yes, this is almost a case where people may “have to” organize to get anything done.

            Before, it was a choice. Not this time.

        • Bread+Butter

          Well then – give it a go! Where do you live?

          • Justice

            I live on the very polluted gulf coast, Alabama. We didn’t do much protesting with BP, some people are just quietly dying. And BP is do more drilling! I don’t see the fairness there. I guess fairness has to be fought for.

        • Everyone here is being told everything is fine and they believe it.

        • Too True

          I would have high-tailed it out of California when the tap water, milk and vegetables were chock full of Cesium a few months ago!!! LATER, as they say!!!

          Actually, I would have left in light of their fiscal crisis as well… holy cow.

          Thank goodness I had a chance to spend time at SF Bay and with the sequoias in the past! (sigh)

          • Too True

            This would have to happen to undeniably one of the most physically gorgeous and agriculturally productive places in the world–the West Coast of North America. :(

            At least the residents had many golden years there. (sigh)

      • As they say, The Writing’s On The Wall.

  • if they had read and understood our advice, which can exhaust and separate the ascending radioactive particles, contamination of japan could be lowered significally.
    But TEPCO, IAEA and the japanese authorities refused. We don´t know how these people want to explain this omission to the world.
    http://www.ecovac.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2

    • I may have said this before, Berndt, but thank you and your company very much for your positive efforts born out of experience.

      I believe that all you can do now is go to your central bank (avoid BIS like the plague!), secure an enormous loan ‘for the good of humanity’ and unilaterally descend upon Fukushima with ALL your resources assembled – meanwhile call upon every company you know that has experience in deep piling, to ring fence the entire site whilst ecovac work on remediation.

      It is time for people the world over to realise that most governments have become mere outlets for blood-sucking parasites, not in the least interested in humanity’s well-being.

      Did I say that before? ;(
      Thank you once again but I can see this becoming a global effort, by-passing all politicians and their manipulators.

      • Excellent thinking joeb and I also thank Berndt for his info and light in a dark situation. Maybe we need to know how much cost it would take and perhaps there is a member here who can finance or partially finance the effort? We seem to be able as a group to figure out and source data efficiently. I am sure we could coordinate RIGHT ACTION through merging the talents of the people here. We’d have scientists who could evaluate if the project would work before it got serious right?

        The money, would be the challenge.
        I cant believe you haven’t had a return call about your company yet either.

  • I feel its quite funny that they trust their government more than their own instincts. Anyone living in Tokyo with over 5k usd could move to Detroit, USA… Thats paying of a house and buying a car to boot…

    At this point tepco lost.
    People need to acknowledge it.

    Regardless of hurting anyones feelings. The general idea of living next to a failing apocalyptic nuclear waste zone gone meltdown; Is surely relevant in my opinion, to be taken with a level of seriousness. I would be reluctant to assume anything beyond the science of the situation. Which is quite nuclear.
    ;)

    in my humble opinion I feel its best to make them angered. This might actually lead to results (i.e. more departures from tokyo)…

    After all…
    Playing down the severity of the situation is the sole reason people still reside in japan. “Your ok for now”. Is not a sobering way to live life…

    They should feel pretty stupid to argue this “Reality” in the wake of the scientific dangers projected by the situation in its entirety.

    So its likely more relevant, to make them admit the truth to themselves; Than to let them feel a since of hope, in a hopeless situation…

    If you care to argue that: “theres still hope”. Please explain how tepco will advert the crisis from becoming more dangerous.

    Otherwise buck up, and help japanese citizens realise that they are in danger.
    Id rather be wrong and convince someone to move for no reason; than wrong and witness them lose their lives over a false sense of “hope” that was unscientifically supported. Call it fear mongering. I give a rats.
    The truth is If they don’t leave now and asap. God have mercy on their souls.

    • from tokyo

      japanese people do NOT trust the government nor tepco.
      We trust them 0mSv lol
      but… you know some people don’t live here just because of work to earn money.
      I know it doesn’t make any sense if you die from cancer.
      I can understand that too well.
      Because I’m trapped in exactly the same situation.

      and tbh it’s fxxkin me off T_T

      • Bread+Butter

        I can relate – to leave HOME must be very very harmful. And to leave others behind…
        Can’t you leave for at least a couple of weeks,if Not abroad,at least to the very South of japan?
        Though we don’t know you in person, it would be SO good to Know you’re safe. Take care

      • This situation is about trusting yourself.

      • ocifferdave

        @from Tokyo: If I knew things were going to get worse at Fukushima and thus Tokyo would fall into a dangerous panic, I would want to have the internal courage to leave Tokyo now before the rest get a clue and panic. So far I don’t have the internal fortitude (“guts”) to leave the west coast. Normalcy Bias monkey…get off my back! …oooh look, xbox…..

    • jamie

      People haven’t left Tokyo because this is an unimaginable disaster that has been mostly downplayed.

      On one hand you have Tacoma and others on the internet with what seems like apocalyptic rantings, and on the other you have an avalanche of “it’s not that bad” stories manufactured by the PR machine – designed specifically to keep world economics intact, without regard to individuals.

      Which are you going to believe? In the absence of any hard data – which is proactively withheld or obfuscated, you’re going to look over at your neighbors and see what they do. When they panic, you will, but not until.

      It has the makings of a worse than Katrina evacuation scenario – where only the strongest will survive.

      On top of that, this devil is invisible, so a good number of folks may reason that they have already gotten a deadly dose, so why move at all. They would be giving up whatever comforts they already have, which they can get nothing for, and spending their remaining days fighting for survival.

      If I were there, I would leave now, to avoid the survival crush – that way there might be a possibility of surviving and rebuilding somewhere else, and assuming the apocalypse doesn’t come to Tokyo then you could always return.

      I know the fear of being called a coward is significant, but if you’re a dead hero you’re still dead.

      • My ears were ringing…

        lol

        In all respects people like me are called both fear mongerers, and conspiracy theorists…

        Though the iaea did admit to withholding the very information I have been implying all along…

        You won’t see me saying I lied to your face…
        Bottom line. Trust your instincts…

        In my opinion I too would be catching the next flight off the mainland… The lies are too many, and the motive too questionable…

      • xdrfox

        With little wind that had blown south before and the level of contamination says someone has not been truthful about the levels of radiation, Now that the winds will blow to the south again levels will rise even higher causing much more concern for the people calling the shots to safeguard the people of Japan and for factories and the exports that will be further contaminated to new levels of concern further hampering the economic engine throughout the globe ! What will be the priority, the People or economic’s ?

    • Justice

      Not to be disrespectful, but I think you should turn all your theys into us, and think about how our goverment in the USA is treating US and is the usa safe after 3 months of non-stop radiation covering the USA. We are in the same situation, and if you think time or distance seperates us…you need to think about the potency of the situation…we aren’t talking about sugar that melts in coffee…so the radiation takes 5 days or 10 days to get here…that’s a short amount of time in the face of how long it lasts….forever! And this notion of cooling off the new rods….I give that a year+ at least…many folks talk about this material as if it were something managable…it isn’t.

      • jamie

        I was panicked about this early on – as soon as I saw #3 blow its top and found out about the plutonium dioxide inside.

        I have been unable to make anyone believe that we might be in serious danger in North America.

        My only consolation is that I’ve studied the weather charts and air distribution and determined that if we are in serious danger in North America, then there is no getting away from it anywhere on earth. It will take more time to contaminate south of the equator, but eventually it will.

        So, if the US has severely deadly consequences, then yeah, you might get a year or two more if you went to Australia, but that’s about it. There would be nowhere to hide.

        • Bread+Butter

          Jamie, of course you’re right – you are in serious danger in the US. But first of all not because of steaming smoking Fuku, but because of the dozens of NPs and nuclear facilities in your backyard. I sometimes wonder that people think about escaping rather than fighting and trying to prevent the Next desaster.
          I think we owe it to the suffering people and to our own future. Apathy is so annoying

          • James

            I guess I was bamboozled like every one else that nuclear power is “safe” and clean.

            I bought the line that Chernobyl only happened because the Soviets were incompetent.

            Of course the real risk in my mind to the entire globe is the domino effect. If Fuku forces a large scale evacuation of Japan, then the Japanese economy will fail – no doubt. Then what entity will remain to run or clean up the remaining plants they have?

            I can imagine a catch 22. It’s impossible to abandon so many nuclear plants, but the failure of this one makes it impossible to inhabit the area, so there’s no economic prosperity or maybe even any workforce to run it safely.

            Then you are going to have even less competent operation of the plants, and likely more accidents.

            And yes, there is some worry about the plants near where I live in North America, but that is certainly a longer term problem.

      • Too True

        Written like someone fresh off the Gulf disaster ;) …where they didn’t care what happened to the local community one iota. That was a wake-up call for those of us in that vicinity. Yes, it’s up to you to make a move and save your skin.

        If you have kids in Japan, you seriously need to get them out of there. Move to “higher ground.”

        • Too True

          After watching what the govt. did with the BP Gulf disaster just last year, don’t expect anyone from TEPCO or Govt. to direct you to safety or provide warnings. They won’t.

  • Hi All,

    I have a channel dedicated to Fukushima. I have managed to make 11 videos. Check it out if you have time. Also you will see from my videos I’m in a learning process so if you have a youtube account send me anything constructive. The media is not covering this issue so I as only one person am trying to create an awareness that sadly does not exist in the greater community:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/AustralianCannonball

  • This is probably one of a handful of places I can actually get real info from to help with what I am doing.

  • larry-andrew-nils

    i guess it’s wait and see what unfolds next.

    question: do radioactive particles travel with water’s evaporation vapor?

    question: that bird on the tepco video… does it sound like it’s dying… anyone see birds flying?

    • larry-andrew-nils

      followup question…

      does a radioactive ground surface promote higher levels of evaporation?… do the “hot” particles excite h20 promoting premature-evaporation?

    • RADIATION IS FOR THE BIRDS

      In recent years there have been many reports suggesting the zone may be a fertile habitat for wildlife.[23] For example in the 1996 BBC Horizon documentary ‘Inside Chernobyl’s Sarcophagus’, birds are seen flying in and out of large holes in the structure itself. Other casual observations suggest biodiversity around the massive radiation spill has increased due to the removal of human influence (see the first hand account of the wildlife preserve).

      Storks, wolves, beavers, and eagles have been reported in the area.[23]
      Barn swallows sampled between 1991 and 2006 both in the Chernobyl exclusion zone had more physical abnormalities than control sparrows sampled elsewhere in Europe. Abnormal barn swallows mated with lower frequency, causing the percentage of abnormal swallows to decrease over time.

      This demonstrated the selective pressure against the abnormalities was faster than the effects of radiation that created the abnormalities.[24] “This was a big surprise to us,” Dr. Mousseau said. “We had no idea of the impact.”[23]

      It is unknown whether fallout contamination will have any long-term adverse effect on the flora and fauna of the region, as plants and animals have significantly different and varying radiologic tolerance compared with humans. Some birds are reported with stunted tail feathers (which interferes with breeding).

      There are reports of mutations in plants in the area.[25] The Chernobyl area has not received very much biological study, although studies that have been done suggest that apparently healthy populations may be sink instead of source populations; in other words, that the apparently healthy populations are not contributing to the survival of species.[26]

      Using robots, researchers have actually retrieved samples of highly melanized black fungus from the walls of the reactor core itself. It has been shown that certain species of fungus, such as Cryptococcus neoformans and Cladosporium, can…

      • …can actually thrive in a radioactive environment, growing better than non-melanized variants, implying that they use melanin to harness the energy of ionizing radiation from the reactor.

        • ocifferdave

          Melanin (Listeni /ˈmɛlənɪn/; Greek: μέλας, black) is a pigment that is ubiquitous in nature, being found in most organisms (spiders are one of the few groups in which it has not been detected). In animals melanin pigments are derivatives of the amino acid tyrosine.

          Garfield would be pleased.

          • Also called pigment, melanin is a substance that gives the skin and hair its natural color. It also gives color to the iris of the eye, feathers, and scales.

            In humans, those with darker skin have higher amounts of melanin. By contrast, those with less pigment have lighter or more fair skin coloring.

            Melanin, sometimes referred to as a chemical, is formed as part of the process of metabolizing an amino acid called tyrosine.

            In the skin, melanin is formed by cells called melanocytes. Certain medical conditions, such as albinism, are associated with the lack of melanin.

            Albinism is a condition marked by the abesnce of a normal amount of pigment in the body. Animals, humans, and even plants can have albinism.

            Melanin provides many benefits to human beings. One of the most recognized benefits involves ultraviolet rays of the sun. Melanin provides a natural protection against the harmful effects of these rays. However, it does not provide complete protection from the sun, and individuals with darker skin tones are still at risk from the sun’s damaging rays.

            Generally, those with darker skin tones and more melanin are able to tolerate exposure to the sun for hours without getting sunburn. By contrast, a person with lighter skin may get sunburn after spending only minutes in the midday sun. Skin cancer is directly related to exposure to the sun and the presence of less than optimal amounts of pigment. Sun exposure has even been linked with cataracts.

            Melanin is also a mechanism for absorbing heat from the sun. This purposes is of particular importance to cold-blooded animals. Snakes, lizards, certain types of fish, and a wide range of other animals depend on their surroundings, including the rays of the sun, to establish and maintain their body temperatures.

            Also important for sharpness of vision, melanin serves to minimalize the number of light beams that enter the eye. It also provides for the absorption of scattered light within the eye. In…

          • …Also important for sharpness of vision, melanin serves to minimalize the number of light beams that enter the eye. It also provides for the absorption of scattered light within the eye. In this way, pigmentation allows for more keen sight.

        • Wondering what the link between melanin, anti-oxidants (e.g. Ginko Biloba), and BDMs (Biological Defense Mechanisms) is.

          Could there be a cure for radiation?

          Send me millions in research funding, and I’ll find out for you!

  • from tokyo

    I had no hope from the very beginning on and this feeling was even confirmed when tepco admitted the meltdowns (because this showed that they really are hiding information and sure will go on like that)
    so I’m anytime ready to leave.
    In fact since the first explosion I’m always caring a quite big handbag with me so I can leave overseas anytime even without going home once (some money, passport, important documents..) IF STH really happens. Maybe in Tokyo we have about one half day if Fukushima explodes in a really bad way (am I still too optimistic?)

    Maybe some other people in Tokyo do act similiar and sure some completely do not.

    But one thing do we all have in common: we need sth “official” from the government at least like “ppl who CAN go SHOULD go”.
    but the ironic thing is, that will probably never happen.

    What is a country without its citizens?
    The government cares about “operating” the country rather than its people’s health…

    desperate.

    • Bread+Butter

      Can you please keep us informed about your further decisions? We care

    • If the you know what hits the fan there wont be any flights out. If I lived there and I know some people may not be able to afford it I would take my annual leave(What we call holidays here in Australia). If the Japanese passport is anything like the Australian you get 3 months automatic in most countries on arrival. 3 months in Aus, 3 in NZ, 3 back in Aus, 3 somewhere else. Maybe not affordable for everyone. The truth be known no country would take the population of Tokyo and if things became worse would probably treat Japanese like illegal aliens. But if you were in say Australia and the you know what hit the fan you could claim refugee status as your already on the soil and they wont send you back to a dangerous environment. 99 percent you will be OK in Tokyo. I just was thinking out of the square on what options people would have in any serious situation.

      • xdrfox

        I think as you say, most people can not afford to move from the country and I also believe most most likely do not even have a passport as many in other countries, people in these economy basically live had to mouth paycheck to paycheck, it is a global concern for these people and other countries should have already stepped up and offered exceptions of passports and given shelter and aid ! As this has not happened is a crime against humanity, much worse then actions I see going on elsewhere and billions being spent to kill rather then save, where are the real humanitarians with their priority’s !

    • larry-andrew-nils

      where will you go.

    • Gager

      I concurr with you absolutely: the whole situation was doomed from the start, and the lack of information from the Japanese officials, almost suicidal. Like you, I am in Tokyo, married to a Japanese wife,(no kids fortunately) and as you know, Japanese people would not get away that rapidly, if there is not an official announce from the governement, for fear of the other’s judgement (the tatemae behaviour!), this stupid cultural element, in which you should not loose your face, even if the reward of such a situation will be to loose your life (that’s what was called the “nobility of failure”). Lack of discussion make things even worst. Japanese are also very attached to their country, and do not have , like the Americans, this excellent mentality of moving, and restarting everything from scratch, this kind of “frontier mentality” which is exactly the thing we would need here.
      Good luck in Tokyo!

    • misitu

      Better to inform yourself and go early, that way wherever you settle you can help others that follow you to form a little community and integrate with the locals.

      Integration is generally a Good Thing.

  • Just listening to Arnie Gundersen. I commend his efforts and his common sense. He just tells it like it is.

    • Bread+Butter

      Yep, I like him,too.
      And I like your videos, excellent You’re doing something useful.
      Next time maybe an “Olympic dam” series?
      ;-)

      • Thanks Bread+Butter

        I think I’ll be covering Fukushima for quite a while. I have opinions about alot of things but I just want to concerntrate my efforts on seeing the world move away from nuclear. I have decided that is my cause in life!. Other people will fight other causes and I will always support them. What you will notice with any of my videos I dont mix in other things because otherwise I may as well be a TV station. I’m just upset about Fukushima and nuclear power. Anything else I think I keep out of it.

        For now anyway ;-)

        • Bread+Butter

          Good point. Even dealing with ONE issue can wear you down…I remember being at the first anti-nuclear rally in my town in June 2010…standing with banners and flags on the main square..lousy 20 people lol

  • Kevin

    I have longed followed the work of the people responsible for this site and have directed many others to do so as well.Since the BP disaster in the GOM and now into the Fukushima “incident.”

    Since day one, the obvious concern avoided by most reportage has been the spent fuel.

    These reactors were designed with pools on top of the reactors for temporary storage at times of maintenance and replacement. However they have been more recently used to store spent fuel rods.

    It is perfectly clear to even laymen observers like myself that, in the instance of reactor three in particular, the initial incident and explosions have disrupted these storage pools. In the case of reactor three, it is likely that the spent fuel pool blew at the time of the multiple explosions shortly after the horrific earthquake and tsunami.

    This fact turns Fukushima into a disaster of unprecedented proportion.

    There is no other set of circumstances that have involved these particular variables, moreover the fact that MOX fuel has been utilized in recent times in this particular reactor worsens the situation considerably.

    It seems clear to me that the industry and government was originally taken back by this occurrence and has since decided to assume a no-holds-barred position of complete and utter damage control. Recent IAEA reports confirm this hands down.

    The unprecedented release of radioactive materials into the pacific ocean is of grave concern. Unprecedented and unpredictable in terms of impact now and into the future.

    However, what is totally unclear is the true impact of the worlds largest dirty bomb that occurred shorty after the disastrous quake and tsunami.

    There has been a complete and utter damage control effort on behalf of this industry, that includes global media outlets and officially designated, industry specific organizations.

    We have not been provided with any relevant data, we being the general public. And most specifically the Japanese people…

    • Justice

      Some people knew about the nuclear fallout from the Fukushima explosion. I was in Rio when they made the announced that Pres. Obama and his wife and children will be visiting….then he spent 10 days in the southern hemisphere before going back. But they didn’t bother to tell the American people, “It would be better to stay indoors for the next week and don’t go out in the rain.”
      After Chernobyl, I can remeber Jane Pauly on GMA telling the American’s not to go out in the rain…I guess the US has come a long way since then.

      • Bread+Butter

        My guess is that your former president GWB wouldn’t have returned from holiday in the southern hemisphere but instead would’ve blitzt a nice ranch down there, spending petrodollars

  • Kevin

    This “incident” has the potential to be the single largest, most horrific disaster in mankind’s history.

    Yet media the world over has consciously decided to prioritize almost every other newsworthy story in every jurisdiction above this incident.

    We are being lied to – admittedly – by those responsible. We are being provided ridiculous anecdotal rhetoric which has endangered the lives of countless people.

    This is not unusual circumstances from this war based industry.

    We are not going to be provided with any accurate data anytime soon.

    It is imperative that the Japanese people take their fate into their own hands and immediately act accordingly. This advice is pertinent for any and all others within the affected areas.

    There has been much hysteria and misinformation. This is not an attempt to escalate that.

    This is a realistic reminder to all concerned that you will not find what you seek sitting at your keyboard.

    It is imperative that you reach deep into your own capacity and exercise appropriate judgment and do what is right for you and your family.

    There is no looking back, there is no fix. There is no means of stopping this from unfolding. This is the long known reality of nuclear power.

    We must shake the spell of consensus media.

    We must take action to defend the health of humanity.

    There must be a rationalization of priorities.

    This is not simply a political opportunity for pro or anti nuclear activists.

    This life and death.

    Plan accordingly.

      • jump-ball

        Maybe a product boycott of the top 10 advertisers on msm is one of the few protests that we otherwise-unorganized civilian victims could undertake in order to get attention and to get Fuku back into public view?

        • Rosie

          Good idea. I know it’s absolutely nothing but I subscribed to The Times and have cancelled citing the news black-out. I’m assuming most people aren’t daft enough to subscribe to a newspaper (who needs them when sites like this one exist) but please think about cancelling if you do.

  • milk and cheese

    An Irish friend of mine put it best. “This is a worldwide event. There is no ‘out’.”

  • Good post by Kevin.

    milk and cheese I see the point your friend makes. I have thought it myself. We have all received some dose of radiation even if very small. Still not acceptable. My instinct tells me if it gets bad for anyone it will mainly for Japan. However the ocean is an unknown.

  • milk and cheese

    I was angry at first, now I am just sad. Life on this planet is in jeopardy because TEPCO wanted to protect its investments, and the Japanese government was too spineless to immediately send in outside assistance, from Russia or China if necessary, to fight this disaster.

    • Justice

      I feel the same way…sad. We lost our planet to greed. I don’t hate the Japan, nor their customs. It isn’t their fault. This was going to happen…well infact it did. But we all ignored the truth about Chernobyl so out collective destiny was to relive it…at least one more time. You can be sure of one thing….If by some miricle…we could resolve Fukushima and continue to exist on this planet…Nuclear energy would too and in only a short time …let say 25 years another event would happen that would finish us all of or maybe we would just keep creating dead zones till we paint ourselves into a corner…greed has overtaken the love of life.

  • RADIO-PROTECTIVE HERBS

    http://www.ingridnaiman.com/subscription_lists/radiation/safe_level.html

    Radioprotective Herbs

    The damage caused by radiation is not exactly cumulative, more like compounding because of the instability of the atoms. This is, in fact, what is meant by “radioactive”. There are herbs and herbal formulas that are radioprotective. Among the more interesting of these is Ginkgo biloba, a very ancient plant having no family members. It has been cultivated for centuries in monasteries in East Asia and the oldest known tree is in a botanical garden in Shanghai. It is believed to be 3000 years old. My first encounter with ginkgo was in Japan in 1962, but ginkgo’s claim to fame is that four trees that were very close to the Hiroshima A-bomb explosion survived when nothing else in the vicinity remained. It is this property that intrigues. What scientists found was the 40 mg. of Gingko biloba, three times a day, when taken orally provided adequate protection for recovery workers at the Chernobyl nuclear site. This is hugely significant because these are the very people deemed to be most at risk. The workers took this amount for two months, not excessive at all. Pacifi Ka is, of course, based on ginkgo. At the suggested dose level, a bottle lasts an adult one month.

  • Rosie

    That’s a really useful site! Thank you.

    • Don’t worry, I’m not selling ginko biloba or anything.

      But, it turns out, it does indeed have interesting properties – reversing some of the effects of radiation.

      • Rosie

        :) I’ve added your site to my favourites and I’ll read when I can tear myself away from this one. I have to wonder about the point of MSM. The news black-out in London and everywhere else is unbelievable.

  • Bread+Butter

    A glimpse of home…
    It still seems so unreal to see people in protective gear searching their contaminated belongings
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/04_24.html

  • gone fission

    I remember seeing some documentary on the warning lables for the casks and that would surround Yucca mtn. to hopefully warn unsuspecting intelligent life that happens upon the earth after we are gone to warn them of the danger of radiation.
    Maybe we had better re-think to mark the planet visibley from outer space warning not to come near this toxic wasteland…… we created….
    ‘intelligent’ …… the word sure doesnt describe us thats for sure

  • Justice

    Sometimes I image that our past has been the same as our future….I saw a BBC show about the animals that have been thriving in the dead zone at Chernobyl…maybe we are the second or third generation after previous world extinctions, and the book of genisis tried to explain the past…when adam took a bite from the fruit from the tree of knowledge it sealed our fate for another go round…just a thought.

    • EVIDENCE FOR ANCIENT NUCLEAR DISASTERS

      http://www.philipcoppens.com/bestevidence.html

      Another candidate for a nuclear explosion, so far left untouched by most of the “ancient astronaut proponents”, is the Indus River Valley, where towns such as Harappa and Mohenjo Daro flourished in 3000 BC, but were then quickly abandoned. One answer that has been put forward is that the ancient cities might have been irradiated by an atomic blast. If true, it would be impossible to ignore the conclusion that ancient civilisation possessed high technology.

      The ruins of Harappa

      What this candidate has in its favour is that a layer of radioactive ash was indeed found in Rajasthan, India. It covered a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. The research occurred after a very high rate of birth defects and cancer was discovered in the area.

      The levels of radiation registered so high on investigators’ gauges that the Indian government cordoned off the region. Scientists then apparently unearthed an ancient city where they found evidence of an atomic blast dating back thousands of years: from 8,000 to 12,000 years.

      The blast was said to have destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. So far, this story seems to have all the necessary credentials.

  • California Dreaming

    Greetings from rainy CA. I feel like we are living in W Europe after Chernobyl, just been raining cats and dogs after a month of cesium clouds. I bought a plane ticket for me and baby to southern hemisphere, but I was told I can postpone the date of departure past June. 14 hours of diaper changes seems really bad, but then again, a lifetime of cancer doesn’t sound fun either. Can the ENE administrator set up a CATEGORY for Americans evacuating to the south hemisphere, so I can connect with folks if I have to flee? I don’t know anyone in south hemisphere, don’t know where to send my baby to preschool in a year. Would be nice to have a community outside the US — that’s why I’m still dragging my feet when it comes to leaving CA. THANKS!

    • alexa

      Please note that there already several retirement communities in Latin America – in Panama for example. A google search of your destination may help you find local U.S. retirees.

      • Aodhan

        I don’t understand this rationale. If things get as bad as many of the doomsdayers say on this website, then going South will only get you a few more years…right? What is the point of that? If things get that bad I will welcome death because life on this planet will not be worth living. Why would anyone want to stick around worrying that everything you touch or put in your mouth will eventually kill you? That makes no sense. For the people who go the quickest in Japan may have a blessing in disguise if things get as apocalyptic as many are claiming on here.

        We all know we’re going to die one day…right? Face your death before you die so you can enjoy what you have left. Our conscious hopefully goes somewhere…and hopefully some place nicer than the toxic waste dump we have created.

        But really, what more can we do besides take our herbs and antioxidants, get a clean water source, stay out of the rain and avoid animal products and leafy vegetables the best we can? Is there anything more we can do? Even if I had a bunker I don’t think I could live in it very long without losing my mind..and again, I think I’d rather just be dead in that situation.

        • CaptD

          BTW: If Reactor #4 collapses then
          ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN…

          And it will be awhile before the “dust settles”, depending upon the winds and what happen…

          1. Buy a really good HEPA Air Filter (at Costco?)
          with extra filters before they are all gone!

          2. Stock up on some additional food, books and water filters because staying indoors will be the best thing you can do.

    • cuica

      I don’t know where you are headed but I left the states for Rio de Janeiro…If you need info about Brazil I can help

    • Rodrigo

      Clean California rain may have killed the sharks. At least one time before when there was a lot of rain and salt levels were very low in the S.F. bay, sharks also died.

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/18/MN2O1JHDV6.DTL

  • California Dreaming

    Also, could anyone recommend a countertop RO filter that is good quality? I’m renting, no point to pay someone to install a RO filter under the sink. THANKS!

    • dan

      I had one installed. It really wasn’t a big deal, or expensive.

    • CaptD

      Home Depot or Lowe’s or the internet or ???
      If the RO is working OK then you get RO “filtered” water out!

      So shop to check the cost of the unit and then buy several extra filters. I’d also suggest that during “these” times you change the pre-filter twice as often as suggested.

      If you have space under your kitchen consider installing your system there and using 3/8 tubing up to your sink and an additional holding tank; a bit more costly but much better capacity and flow rates…

  • Anna

    http://pureeffectfilters.com/
    This is one system we are using. You can’t run hot water through it. Hubby hooked it up in about an hour.

    The other is a Nikken gravity fed with Adya Clarity treatment which does not hook up to any plumbing. Since Fuku, what Adya Black Mica Extract ties up in the water has doubled for sure. The sludge at the bottom of the top tank is more than it was before Fuku.

  • You might just be our ‘trail blazer’ there Cali dreamin’! :-)
    You sound proactive enough for the lot of us. I’m just a poor pion here in northern Cali,….but I’m with ya in spirit! I’d have to hitchhike part of the way down perhaps,….but if I know me,….I’d get there.

  • Dr. Strangleglove

    If your waiting for #4 to blow before you go, the radiation has already eaten your brain.

    • Radiation does cause a decrease in intelligence, and premature aging.

      Reminds me of effects on brain of hypothermia – after a while you’re not capable of making proper decisions.

      • sassyiam

        Very true.. reminds me of the running on the tracks instead of simply jumping off. Makes sense though. During stress, all of the blood squeezes out of the immune core and frontal lobe and into the extremeties and back of the brain to power the fight or flight response. Useful in the short term to possibly escape, but prolonged, the fear alone makes you sick..and stupid.

    • CaptD

      How about a “Collapse” of #4?
      Post some links to your experience to “KNOW”

      HERE IS A LINK TO WHAT I THINK IS THE BEST UPDATE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN JAPAN AND HOW THAT IS (WILL) BE AFFECTING ALL OF US.
      Transcript for Exclusive Arnie Gundersen Interview (with his experience):

      The Dangers of Fukushima Are Worse and Longer-lived Than We Think

      Please read it:
      http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/transcript-exclusive-arnie-gunde...

  • Jack

    I hope everyone would know that you aint going to be
    Particularly Welcome in a lot of other Countries. You all type
    here on the blog as if you assume that everything is Hunky-Dory, that These imagined South American “Havens” are there
    waiting with Open Arms for you to show up, with Zero Knowledge, but Great Big American Overblown sense of your own Value.
    OZ don’t want you unless you gotta Needed Skill and BUCKS.

    • Heart of the Rose

      Yes..and when the economies around the world falter..the already impoverished third-world countries (particularly the ones we’ve abused or ignored) are not going to appreciate the influx of Americans.
      This would prove to be dangerous.

  • milk and cheese

    I want to hear about the Bush family’s reception in Paraguay. Hope it’s a hot one.

    • Ah Paraguay … I long for thee

      http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff04222008.html

      From Dictatorship to Kleptocracy

      Despite the passing of Stroessner, most Paraguayans are even worse off today than under the dictatorship. Encouraged by Washington, Paraguay instituted a program of neo-liberal economic reform and privatization which thrust tens of thousands out of work. Paraguayan exiles once fled their country for political reasons. But today, it’s economic misery which has driven many Paraguayans to travel abroad. Currently some two million people live abroad in Argentina, Spain, and the United States.

      The legacy of corrupt Colorado rule is evident for all to see. Currently, almost 50 percent of the country’s population lives on less than $2 a day and 38 percent of the citizenry is either unemployed or under-employed. In 2007, GDP per capita stood at roughly $4,000 while 32% of the population lived below the poverty line.

      Land ownership is concentrated in the hands of a few large companies which are resorting to more and more soya farming. Amidst the concentration in land ownership, hundreds of thousands

  • I think I’ve heard that too.

    http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

    Mythological Descriptions
    Sanskrit texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the sky using Vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times.

    In the Ramayana there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads:

    “The Pushpaka chariot that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravana; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will …. that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky … and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere.’”
    “Pushpaka” is Sanskrit for “flowery”. It is the first flying vimana mentioned in Hindu mythology (as distinct from gods’ flying horse-drawn chariots). It is also called Pushpaka Vimana.

    The special characteristic of this vehicle is, “What ever may be the number of people sitting in it, always there will be one more seat vacant i.e., If N people sit, There will be (N+1) seats”. It was basically a vehicle that could soar the skies for long distances. It shows that even in ancient times, people were curious about flight and might have tried to design flying vehicles.

    Pushpaka was originally made by Maya for Kubera, the God of wealth, but was later stolen, along with Lanka, by his half-brother, the demon king Ravana.

    The core epic of the Mahabharata mentions no vimanas, but vimanas often occur in the large amount of matter which was added to the Mahabharata corpus later. One example is that the Asura Maya had a Vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels.

    The Mahabharata is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who are said to have settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as those we have now.

    Apart from ‘blazing missiles’, the poem records the use of other deadly weapons…

  • In the Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara (Literally, “controller of the battlefield”), it is written:

    “Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth.”
    In Mesopotamian sources — The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously:

    “The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from ‘those from upon high’. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives.”

  • iamhalfkin

    A pleasant 75-80 degrees finally here on this Haven of the West Coast. It has not rained every day lately, and when it was, it was gentle and clear and clean. It has been cooler than usually but not horribly. The berry harvest is behind schedule though.
    The wind has been absent or light. All clouds look normal, no strange colors. No burning sensation in the rain drops. We know it is summer here in the Pacific Northwest because the rain is warmer when it comes. The wells are well filtered, and certain areas feel protected. Envision a Biodome over your community. It certainly feels like it where I am. The weather is different 6 miles in any direction of me.
    Find your spot!

  • CaptD

    Here is a link to some useful information about this Eco-Disaster:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/01/fukushima-power-plant_n_869942.html?show_comment_id=91009366#comment_91009366

    or search HP/AOL for Japan Reactor and be advised they have them buried pretty well!

  • CaptD

    FLASH
    Spoke to a friend on the Big Island of Hawaii and he said that they tested a “Radiation Siren” (about 5/28/11) there for the very first time! It surprised all the locals because they test the tsunami siren the first of every month and nobody knew what this new sounding siren was!

    There has been nothing written or said about it in the media at all!

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