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Photographs of the Hmong People in Wisconsin

posted Sunday, 12 March 2006

The photographs in this album were taken by Jeff Lindsay of Appleton, Wisconsin to show some aspects of life for the Hmong people in the United States. This album goes with my main Web page on the Hmong people in America. Also see my photos of the Hmong people at a 2009 soccer tournament in Oshkosh. Wisconsin. Most of the people shown are friends of mine that I know through their involvement in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (nicknamed "Mormons" - often misunderstood), but not all of them are members of the Church. Regardless of their religious status, all the Hmong people I know are proud of their cultural heritage, while also recognizing that there are some aspects of that which they need to leave behind. These photographs are copyright 2004, 2005, and 2006 JeffLindsay.com, and may not be posted elsewhere or reproduced without my permission.

The Hmong people have been the subject of genocide and violence. Americans often fail to understand how much the Hmong people did for us in the Vietnam War, helping to defend our soldiers and rescue our pilots by vigorously fighting for us in the secret wars of Laos. The story needs to be told. 

Today Hmong Americans face new challenges. Some of them face complex run-ins with the law and may need lawyers to help them with puzzling legal problems they face. See, for example, the article, "Do Hmong Hunters in America Need to Hire Lawyers First?" Some may not know their legal rights and lack resources for help from lawyers. Some don't understand their rights and don't know what they can do to better protect and help their families over here. There is a need for all of us to work together to understand and help one another. 

Above I show a few photos of the Hmong people (guys and girls) from the Fox Valley valley of Wisconsin. This video was generated by Animoto, the free video service (with added features for pay). Here's another using some of my Hmong soccer tournament photos:

 

 Finally, here is General Vang Pao, whom I heard speaking in Oshkosh at the 2009 Hmong Soccer Tournament on Labor Day, Sept. 5, 2009. Wow!

 

 

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1. a reader left...
Friday, 7 January 2005 3:49 pm

welp....this ish like the kewlest thing....luv ya....i wish i was in a computer too....byh

emma lor [always_der_lor@hotmail.com]


2. a reader left...
Friday, 14 January 2005 10:33 pm

Nice pictures. I don't know how many hmong people are there..but I'm sure its more than here in Seattle! Thanks for sharing your pictures, Jeff!

Mary


3. a reader left...
Tuesday, 18 January 2005 2:20 pm

Hi

selina [selina_073192@yahoo.com]


4. a reader left...
Tuesday, 18 January 2005 2:21 pm

Hi

selina [selina_073192@yahoo.com]


5. a reader left...
Monday, 24 January 2005 2:09 pm

I am Ben Wangxieng. I was born and in Laos nearby Longcheng, near the city of General Vang Pao lived.

Eversince I grew up, I have comments and asked many elders about the war. I asked them because my family and I were moved from place to place to many cities. So, I asked why? Why can we settle into one place. The responded back were that we were moving like that for many years ago, from China into Laos.

I believe, my family is the few last people that escaped from Laos into Thailand late 1980.

We all escaped out from Laos because what I heard was General Vang Pao agreement contracted with the US to fight against the Vietnam. That was personal contract between General Vang Pao and the US but the King of Laos know nothing.

While the hmong has more money and more power helped by the US. General Vang Pao was one of the richest person in Laos.

While the Laos Government set up new law to keep all foreigns out of Laos, that's why General Vang Paos loss his power and escaped out of Laos. Since he get everyone involve into the secret war, he left, everyone will be kill. So everyone escaped after him.

Many Hmong people came to the US never have any education background. They can't speak, can't read or write. So they can't find a job. Many received Welfare fund to support the family.

Many hmong people strugle hard into education and work hard any firm or company that they got hire.

Many companies love to have hmong people to work for them. Eventhough, they got little pay but better than nothing.

Each culture carry on their own tradition and hmong traditions are what you have learned so far. Many hmong people believed in spiritual in 90%, they do anything to heal their pains. Only 10% hmong people involve into Christian and others.

As mentioned about married young, sacrified chickens and pigs or cows, because they used to be and just their spiritual thing or their way of tradition. Just like 90% US go to church every sunday and study bible.

It'll takes many years to get use to US system. I think, the younger generation are very much into US system.

Every culture and every family has a bad and a good person in the house, in the city or in the country.

Whatever Chai Vang get into, it's his problem, not all the hmong are killer. Many of them are trying very hard to be a better person with a clean record and a better life.

There are two groups, HMONG and MONG.

HMONG represent the White Hmong which wear dress white and more active into political and public relation. Which more courage, take risks take actions, and compite for leadership.

MONG, represent the Blue Mong. Which wear dress blue and red colorful. This group more calm, lease compite for leadership, nicer, avoide problem, is the majority of the population. If you visit hmong/mong in Laos, China, Thailand, and other countries you can tell by the clothes they wear and the way they walk, talks, and do things.

To learn more about HMONG/MONG, go to MONG.WS.


Any who offen about the above I said, I said what I know the the true story behind the culture. I didn't try to put anyone down or discourage anyone. If any missunderstand or interprete, you can write to me.

I am one of the mong blood and try very hard to help the mong/hmong.

Ben Wangxieng [moobhlubmoob@yahoo.com]


6. a reader left...
Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:19 pm

to the note that is above mine.... there is onl oe kind of hmong!! and it is hmong!!!! DUH!!! yeah there is differnet languages though... is that what you mean????

thao


7. a reader left...
Wednesday, 26 January 2005 2:47 am

What a wonderful, wonderful site. My daughter has a very good friend of the Yang clan (here in Boise, Idaho) and she and her family are just completely wonderful. I greatly admire Hmong culture (I have some experience thanks to dealing with Air America in Udorn, Thailand) and wish we had more influence and presence here. I consider those areas where Hmong have settled in greater numbers to have distinct advantages which we won't have the luxury of having. In regards to the Wisconsin hunting incident, while my heart goes out to the families of those killed, I am not confident the accused will get a fair trial which will take life experiences into consideration. We should all look at this incident as a learning curve...yes, a tragic learning curve...on how we should all learn to respect, understand, and show compassion to one another. Peace to all.

steve [altec604e@hotmail.com]


8. a reader left...
Friday, 28 January 2005 4:08 pm

cool this site is nice..

ms.vang


9. a reader left...
Saturday, 29 January 2005 11:39 am

hey there!..wow!..i didn't know you had a page like this...well yeah..just dropping by and leaving a little mark in here...i like this page.keep up the good work..i see my friend in there..haha..well this is all bye..bye..see you at church sometime!

endora yang


10. a reader left...
Thursday, 17 February 2005 10:54 pm

Hey! I wanted to tell you how great of a website you had there. Your stories gave me ideas for my report and pictures helped me describe mong clothing.
Thank for having such a great website!

erica yang


11. a reader left...
Friday, 18 February 2005 2:44 pm

Thank you for this website. It really tell a lot about the Hmong people.

Jordan Moua [mouaguys@hotmail.com]


12. a reader left...
Tuesday, 22 February 2005 2:35 pm

I was curious about the Hmong people. I am a beauty & spa consultant and saw a lot of successful Hmong women in my company. I encourage all of you, if you know a Hmong women who lives in the United States, to visit my web page and see the great business opportunity we have for all the women of this country, specially Hmong women.

Business opportunity


13. a reader left...
Thursday, 24 February 2005 9:36 am

umm... yeah.. nice page you people have set up here like yepers... i can tell but i don't really see any hmong from gb there it is mostly like a-town people kinda weird don't chu think?... yep

khoume yang


14. a reader left...
Thursday, 24 February 2005 6:56 pm

this is a great page you have made..and for telling everyone person that us hmongs arent killers..each and every individual of us are different..just because one hmong kills six that dont mean the whole hmong nationwide are killers too..if we are then there would have been a carnage..would the respind that others have gave be the same if a white man or a different race has kill their own?..come on now we see it everyday in the news..black on black crimes everything..well i think im writing in the wrong section but i was just motivated into writing this so yeah..thanks..

franky her


15. a reader left...
Monday, 28 February 2005 2:24 pm

Ey Jeff!!! The 920 Area(Green Bay) Nice pictures of Hmongs around the Appleton Area. Its great that we people not just Hmong have nice friends like you. You website is great and it really shows that you do understand the Hmong Culture as well as we understand yours.

Tom Yang [civctyp3r@yahoo.com]


16. a reader left...
Tuesday, 1 March 2005 6:42 pm

wow im hmong but i didnt knoe i was missing out on soo much about hmong people.this site gave me hints on who i really am.

KaBao thoj [asianjunior2010@yahoo.com]


17. a reader left...
Thursday, 3 March 2005 12:44 pm

This is a wonderful site. I'm glad to see that there are people out there who are willing to understand our stand point/culture. Thanks Jeff =D

Pader Moua [ordinary_pader@hotmail.com]


18. a reader left...
Monday, 7 March 2005 11:52 am

FOr the person who says that the Hmong need to go back to where they came from..look hommes, reach back into your brain (as narrow as it seems) and see where your roots started... you weren't the first to settle in this land we call America!! It's people like you who give americans a bad name!!

Yang


19. a reader left...
Tuesday, 15 March 2005 9:36 pm

Will we are hmong and were strong like hell. Hmong till i died.

Hmong youngerst


20. a reader left...
Thursday, 24 March 2005 6:06 pm

Just wanna say thanks and keep representin' people... HMONG PRIDE!!!

dres [dres651@yahoo.com]


21. a reader left...
Thursday, 31 March 2005 11:59 am

Hello! These are very nice pictures to look at. I visit this website cause i am working on a project about us Hmong imigrants for school.

Duachi  [sarcastic_lucky09@hotmail.com]


22. a reader left...
Saturday, 2 April 2005 2:17 am

WOW...COOL SITE...I AM HMONG GREEN...HEHE

PAO VANG [jtog530@sbcglobal.net]


23. a reader left...
Saturday, 2 April 2005 2:31 am

Thank you; from the bottom of my heart. You are a voice to us.

Mandee Vang [vama0202@stcloudstate.edu]


24. a reader left...
Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:05 pm

To Jeff Lindsay. Do you think that just making a page about the Hmong people makes up for all the wrong things you Americans have done to my people? We “LOST” our land because you guys! So many Hmongs died and are still dying today because of you guys. I regret that my people helped your people out. Risking their lives to save your kinds and putting their trust in the US. That was that biggest mistake that Vang Pao made in his life.

maikue yang


25. a reader left...
Saturday, 9 April 2005 12:40 pm

RE: MAIKUE YANG

I (some what) agree with you. I cannot stress enough about how much grief and pain our people went through. However, General Vang Pao was only doing what was best (at the time being). No one forseen the future and knew this was coming. I strongly agree that a lot of Hmongs died for a dying dream. In time, with patient and faith, Hmongs will get what we've been waiting for. A home.

- jamie.

Jamie Xiong [daysaftermay@hotmail.com]


26. a reader left...
Monday, 11 April 2005 1:39 pm

Wow this is surprising..haha..i didn't know that there was such a site but yeh this place is pretty nice and i think i use to go to club JC..anyways tyte page and pictures...

Preston Hawj

Preston Hawj [lito_prettie_boi@hotmail.com]


27. a reader left...
Tuesday, 12 April 2005 2:55 am

1st of all,thanks jeff for recognizing us as a human race too. there are so many controversal issues going on but it's great that some people do try to understand this complex culture of ours. though many have lost their lives, i think that we all can eventually learn from our mistakes. i agree with maikue and jamie, we have many relatives that died during the war, but we can't live in regret and hatred. love those who stand with us and in unity and forgive those who cannot see beyond themselves...

michelle vang


28. a reader left...
Tuesday, 19 April 2005 1:18 am

Nice, site, I am happy to hear what you said about our peoples. It's very nice of you to enjoy the cultural of our peoples I guess. Have you heard about what happen last year when many hmong refugee tries to please Gen.Vang Pao to sent help for them but it's like forever to get help. So sad for them and me since i had relative who lost their life and the little children . *cry*

Fallra Vang


29. a reader left...
Tuesday, 19 April 2005 1:21 am

Nice, site, I am happy to hear what you said about our peoples. It's very nice of you to enjoy the cultural of our peoples I guess. Have you heard about what happen last year when many hmong refugee tries to please Gen.Vang Pao to sent help for them but it's like forever to get help. So sad for them and me since i had relative who lost their life and the little children . *cry*

Fallra Vang


30. a reader left...
Friday, 29 April 2005 7:41 pm

Congratulations Jeff for this wonderful site, keep on publishing your beautiful pictures, I admire you as a brother of the Hmong people, thank you for your personal times and great efforts in making this site so interesting. May God bless you and your family for ever.

Hmong-American(GA)


31. a reader left...
Sunday, 1 May 2005 1:22 am

i can't believe those ignorant racist people , yeah i don't see you people hating that guy who bomb that oklahoma place, or what about that Jeffery Dahmer dude i could name more but i won't, lets just say shut up and hate yourself if you want to hate someone soooooo badddd

cinch


32. a reader left...
Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:54 am

yo wassawp yo...ne ways juss leaven mah mark in hurr too yups...hmms...ima at skool rite now and umms...yeah doin mah thing foe class about us hmong people yeah...ne ways aights ima bounce dah lido bootay outa hurr...peace...!

Bao  [lido_gerl5@hotmail.com]


33. a reader left...
Sunday, 8 May 2005 5:58 pm

Jeff,
I am really impress on the amount of information I have found on your website. I, too, am a Mormon and for my final assignment in my Hmong class we have to write a 4-5 pages anything about the Hmong.
Your site is awesome and I've found some interesting facts that I can used in my paper. Thank you.

Manlia Xiong


34. a reader left...
Saturday, 14 May 2005 1:01 pm

Hi to my Hmongs. I'm not too old but not too young either. Not an educator but not too leattery. Not too poor and not too rich but earned enought to make a living. This is my messages to all the Hmong Americians youth whom borned in the USA, We're the Youth whom faced two ways of our everyday lives. We lives with our parents who faced the unknown for their future. For some of our parents living everyday unknow how their kids going grow up to be?, What riligion to belives?, whom to marry?, where to lives?. I some times see they carries with runing tears of not knowing how their youth wouldn't how much they have suffering to brough us to this great country. I'm teared with in my heart that they have done for us so much that we as their survices offsping couldn't ever repay for them. All you could do is to show respect for your parents, and be pround of whom they are.
Tries to lives with the gap,be there for each other, tries understands that we the youth and they have to work together to make our future a better one for boths side the New Hmong and the Old Hmong......

Roger Yang


35. a reader left...
Monday, 16 May 2005 6:30 pm

hello....wow...yeah damn...i didnt know that we had so much in our past and now and how some people think of us hmong...it kind of makes me sad to think that we sont have a country and we have no control over that but yeah...well i'm doing a project on us hmong people and i would certainly apreciate it if you help me out...well if you can but yeah...i just want to know more about our past and our ancestors and such...well i'll be waiting for your reply...thanks...Lysa Vang

Lysa Vang [lys_babzly_vaj@msn.com]


36. a reader left...
Tuesday, 17 May 2005 2:46 am

i miss wisconsin... especially appleton... hoping to come back and visit soon... i love your site bishop lindsay... i miss you all very much... tell everyone i said hi...

tub vaj vaj [tubvajvaj@hotmail.com]


37. a reader left...
Tuesday, 17 May 2005 8:25 am

hey wussup..welb gosh this ish sure a kewl site..jux wanted tah letchu know..en i think u already knew..buttah gosh this sure means a lot to us hmong people en to everyone who doesn't want us here that doesn't matter bekuz they really weren't from here themselves..their ancestors had to get ship across tooh..sum maybe bekuz they were prisoners of england and france..so yup everyone weren't originally from here the indians were here first so if there's people hating on us hmong people i don't think they got a right to do that..that's why this is american a free country! besides us hmong people we know right from wrong and mind our business so why do people say bad stuff about us! it's useless..we haven't done anythang to them rite? welb i really appreciate your site..it's awesum..thanx a bunch!

sandy lee [nc_gurleeh@yahoo.com]


38. a reader left...
Friday, 20 May 2005 12:43 am

When I was younger I was against and ashame of being Hmong. As I've gotten older and understood the the culture from a different view, I've come to realize how important it is to keep your roots intact. I don't understand why people of this country can make racist and unjustified remarks of the Hmong people and their culture. They have done nothing, but lived out their lives the best they can. So that's why I question, what is an American? America is not a generalized "White Country", it is a country that is suppose to promote great opportunity and freedom. I see discrimination and racism in this country among minorities everywhere. Since living in San Francisco, I've been exposed to a great diversity of people, which have opened my eyes to a variety of cultures and views. Many people are sad to say still closed minded and should be educated in the subject of "racism" and "discrimination". I hope that someday ignorant people will come to realize the real meaning of being an American and not judge someone by the color of their skin. We can only take actions into our own hands, so I hope people go out there and make a big impact in their community. Thank you Jeff for making this site to inform others of our people and culture. I hope you well and good luck in the future. You are truly opening the eyes of many. Thank you again.

n/a [lhang03@hotmail.com]


39. a reader left...
Friday, 20 May 2005 1:12 pm

Hey good stuff about us Huh!!!!!!!! it was very emotional about what happen in the past. so no worries because were the future

Peter Lee [peterlee872005@yahoo.com]


40. a reader left...
Saturday, 21 May 2005 11:53 pm

Great site. I was refered here by my Hmong teacher, Ger Vang. I have been married to my wife Chee for close to four years now and I have enjoyed learning many aspects of the Hmong culture. I even paid the dowry to Chee's parents out of respect to her family and culture.

Don't worry about "TheGhostfaceKillah". He is a racist who named himself after a rapper....sounds kind of confused to me.

Tim [microtim1@yahoo.com]


41. a reader left...
Monday, 23 May 2005 9:07 pm

all i want to say is that many of you here are horrible with english grammar. you're all damn embarrassments to me and the rest of the hmong people

Hmong man


42. a reader left...
Monday, 30 May 2005 7:27 pm

hi, You are nice man of the hmong people. It's very cool, and nice pictures of the hmong culture, and you. I am a deaf, and half hmong, and thai lady had been never talking with the hmong people, because of the deaf person that I am... I'm in south california with my different friends from an american, black, mexican, native american indian, vietnam, and asian, and etc deaf, and hearing people. thanks, chormee xiong

ChorMee Xiong [xhotxfashionxmodel73x@yahoo.com]


43. observer left...
Tuesday, 14 June 2005 4:25 pm

Hey YOU (the one that talks about bad grammar)...It's just funny to me that you diss others while at the same time you seem to by an exact hypocrite yourself... Don't you know that the word English has a capital "E"? LOL..wanna laugh so bad...LOLOLOL..HEHEHEHE HAHAHAHHA. j/k dude. Just make sure you qualify what you claim.

Actually , this is actually such an amazing website. Thanks to those who put this up offering the world a piece of 'missing' information... by the way, I've seen some of the people in the pictures before....hmm...Best Wishes to all.


44. Jeff Lindsay left...
Tuesday, 14 June 2005 5:55 pm :: http://www.jefflindsay.com/

Hey, I'm coming to southern California at the end of June. Any good Hmong festivals going on?

Jeff L.


45. Jeff Lindsay left...
Tuesday, 14 June 2005 6:05 pm :: http://www.jefflindsay.com/

To MaiKue:

You asked if my page makes up for the suffering of the Hmong people. Hey, I never said it makes up for anything. Would you be happier if we took my page down and just told people to forget about the Hmong people? Look, I think your attitude is just way too bitter. Don't make being a victim your focus in life - you will get no where.

I don't mean to be offensive, but I let me use an analogy to explain what bothers me about your comments. If you give a person a cheap gift, should that person spit on you and ask if they think that gift makes up for all the suffering they've had, or should they say thank you with a smile? Learn to be grateful for even worthless gifts - at least someone was trying to be nice.


46. maikue left...
Thursday, 30 June 2005 11:55 am

to jeff:

i do have a bitter attitude. i have it because of you and your kind..you'll have it too if your people was betrayed by HMONGS...left to died...when you said "Don't make being a victim your focus in life - you will get no where" sorry but thats NOT TRUE... it makes me a strong person and it makes me work even hard to get to my goals...It's funny how you and your kind can be bitter and angry toward Iraqis for the war there...but i should forgive and forget about what had happen in vietnam war...and another thing being nice and saying thank you gets you nowhwere in this country...you have to be mean and selfish..that's what you and your kind have taught me..


47. fabrice lig left...
Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:57 am

I'm from Belgium and this Hmong story touched me a lot...its a shame...They also helped France during Indochine war and they are forgotten too...how N.U can't definitively get out Hmongs from that Situation ??? Its a shame on U.N, U.S and the rest of the world ! Will do my best to be update about it and I really hope it will work out for them.


48. Asha left...
Thursday, 7 July 2005 10:52 am

hey there! I appreciate you putting your time to understand the hmong people more. A lot of people these days are finally reconizing who we are but they don't understand us. I'm hmong myself, but I hardly even know my culture; I'm here trying to learn more about my people.. Thank you


49. jannie ly vang left...
Wednesday, 20 July 2005 3:04 pm

many thanks to you creating this website. i think it tells alot about who we are and why we are here.


50. kabziab lauj left...
Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:03 pm

Hi Jeff,i just want to thank you for giving us a voice.We are a misunderstood people.When i tell people i am hmong.Most of them don't even know what that is. And here is to the hmong people out there,work hard,get an education,have patients and persistent and you will succeed.Take advantage of the opportunity giving to us from our parents and make them proud.my husband and i are under 35,we own 4 houses,our goals is to be able to go back someday and help our relatives in Laos.my dead brother is my inspiration.he sacraficed his life to get me here and i'm going to make him proud from heaven.Here is a poem i never forget from my 7th grade teacher. "Never,never,never,never,never give up"

  • PEACE AND HAPPINESS TO ALL.


51. Sammy left...
Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:02 pm

We are who we are. We just can't change that. No one can. We are Hmong and that doesn't make it a differnet for anyone. We are one because we all helped each other. Not just one of the other but all. We atleast try and give a chance to help. I know that I'm still young. Living here in America is different than Thailand i believe. But The WHITE doesn't have the right to tell us to leave or want us to leave. We did out part for helping the Americans. There isn't many people out there in the world will help the Americans like us. I live in Merced, California. It's a really small town but getting bigger. When I was a little girl. Going to school at Charle Wright. I was told by other little kids to go back where I came from. Which they believe that I was from Thailand or Lao. But I was born here and I love living where I am. It might be small and all but I still love it. Many people loves to live in big country or city like Sac. I sure don't love it there because it takes too long just to go to the mall or somewhere. Funny but I dont like to sit in the car for hours or 30 minutes just to go somewhere like the mall. I'm not into shopping and all. But here I am. In high school, teenagers still telling me to go back where I came from. Where am I suppose to go when I was born here in America. I also realize that not Hmong marring Hmong. There many Hmong out there that married different skin colors. If we were force to leave. What will happen to the one that was born as a half hmong and half white? What will happen to the one that has a mother/father that is a Hmong. What will happen now. See people out there needs to realize that not just the Hmong peoples out there going to hurt. It will be the whole Nation (Asian, Black, White,and etc...) wide. There many things out there that some people say when they don't even understand what they are saying. Thats why people like us needs to understand to say things before we say it out. EVERYONE has feelings and just one kind. Many people talk about us Asian should go back to Asia. But the one thing is. Do they also realize that the Indians are the one that was here first. Indians are also Asian like us people. We are one. We're also known as Asian. So there no differences. It wouldn't be right for us to tell other skins to leave too right? So no one has the right to tell other to leave. I found this page while I was looking around on yahoo about Hmong. Just looking for some stuff, i never knew that I will find so much and mostly something like this. I don't hate any different color of skin. I'm friends will every different kind of skins because I accept them for who they are and not for the color of their skins. Not like others that doesn't understand. Thank you alot for understanding, even thought Thank You won't do much because it just a word. But for now I can't give anything because I'm just still young and under the age of 18. So all i can do or say is Thank You. God Bless you and take kare.

love and respect,

Sammy Yang


52. Hmong Vang left...
Monday, 1 August 2005 9:29 am

Jeff, great pictures you have of the Hmong in Appleton, and knowing them from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (nicknamed "Mormons"). But the "Sanity Defense" is sending the wrong message about the Hmong, which I tend to look at the website knowing first thing of hand reading the "Sanity Defense" slogan --- this implies a negative view looking at the beautiful pictures of the Hmong. I hope you can change that. Hmong Vang


53. kay left...
Tuesday, 2 August 2005 5:42 pm

I just want to know why do loas people dilikes hmong people so much? I ask this because I have a loas friend and all he does is talk about how much he dislikes them but never told me why!!!!!!!!!


54. kay left...
Tuesday, 2 August 2005 5:42 pm

I just want to know why do loas people dilikes hmong people so much? I ask this because I have a loas friend and all he does is talk about how much he dislikes them but never told me why!!!!!!!!!


55. herboi left...
Wednesday, 17 August 2005 2:39 am

great page u got here. It's nice of u to tell the world about us hmong...but the way i see it, hmong will alway be scatter around the world and it's all because of a war that "we" should of stay out of.i'm not stay that it's america fault,but they should of left us alone. i turly believe that america use the hmong to do their dirty work.the reason i said this is because america just left "us" there in laos knowing that "we" do not have a chance against them without modern weapon. i'm not tring to be racist or anything, but i'm only saying the truth. I have one last question for everyone who think america care about hmong. "WHY WEREN'T WE MENTION IN ANY OF THE U.S ROCORD UNTIL THE LATE 80'S?" (Loas was also not inculded)


56. Susan left...
Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:29 pm

I am a third grade teacher in an inner city neighborhood in Massachusetts. This summer my teenage children and I volunteered at one of the Heifer International Farms. I picked up a Thailand Courtship Bauble and a Hmong Heart Ornament at the International Gift Shop. The Hmong Heart ornament did not have a story with it so when I went online to find out the significance of this ornament, I discovered "Hmong" and a picture of the handcrafted ornament. IF someone has written a children's book about the Hmong people, please let me know. If no one has, perhaps a few Hmong people could get together and teach us about their culture, heritage, and plight! Where better to start educating others than at the elementary level!


57. Mee Vang left...
Thursday, 8 September 2005 8:39 pm

To MaiKue, whoever you may be, I think you should take your bitter attitude somewhere else. This isn't the place for it. If you want to be bitter, then stay bitter. The only way we can put this behind us, but not forget it, is if we get rid of this bitter attitude.

It may be a reason for why you work so hard, but for others, it may be entirely different. You remind me of the first comment in the Hmong shooting tragedy article. You're ignorant. Grow up. Please.

To Jeff, thank you for helping spread our story and our culture. It's much appreciated.


58. pac left...
Wednesday, 14 September 2005 9:26 am

hi remember what happn last year.... durN deer season... Chai killing 6 white men and injuring 3 ..... these day i hurr too much shyt..... white people saying,"what you going to kill me..." i mean my town is right next to one of the white guy who died that time... me and my cuzz we b drinving through that town and all the white people looking at us... when i look back i see fire in they eyes like they juxt wantt o take us by our necks and hang us up....but most i hurr is, "go back to ur country" shyt they if they say that to me all i say is "this is my country i live hurr i was born hurr..." if they dont take that and ill say, "you go back t o ur country bytch this aNt urz u white people came and juxt took over it but u didnt live hurr first.." i do really mean it too if they really mean to say what they say...... U know when a white man kill a azn or a black nothing happens u know, but when a hmong man or a black man or u can say anyother color man kill a white man than shyt come up... u see tat ... ????? why is tat ....... im not saying i hate white people ..... im not saying im going to kill one ..... i do have white friends and i do have enemy as white friends too.. ..... every day there is a killing ..... some one killing some one everyday..... but only some time a story like chai spreads all over the united states... now white people will hate more hmong people juxt b/c of that ..... when i say white people i mean to say the ones who r preJAtiZ........ juxt so many time i go to that town and see all those eyes looking at me and my cuzn juxt so many time i already hurr "save a deer kill a hmong" and some hmong people will reply "save a white tale deer and kill a white boy" white vs hmong damn cant we all juxt get alone... NO that is the answer NO! N O why do i say that???? b/c no there will not be a perfict day when a color group will get along with a dirrfer color group.....we tat day comes its still not perfict... the killings wont stop shyt still be happen..... u see every one is hurrt N around the world... : US : HUrricane in New Orleans lots of life lost the whole city is dead

: Mexico : Fighting to have a better health in the water system

: Africa : Fighting to save the people who has aids and other killer viruz

: China : Over peoplutateD .... and not much food in the mountaing people\\\

: Iraq : THE WAR>>>>

: LAos : people r still in the mountains people still fighting till tis day... non stop they needing help...

There is more than this but this is some of what is happN N..... but what im trying to say "WE ALL HAVE THE SAME CRY"

WE ALL NEED HELP i think the only time we might help one another in the best of ways is when the earth is going to explode ... maybe that is when one color will get along wit onother that is when thye might realiZ how much they waste they breath on saying all that stupid shyt that they did say ....

PAc Vang any Q hit me (dohc_05@hotmail.com)


59. jasmine cha left...
Saturday, 17 September 2005 8:31 am

QUOTE: To Jeff Lindsay. Do you think that just making a page about the Hmong people makes up for all the wrong things you Americans have done to my people? We “LOST” our land because you guys! So many Hmongs died and are still dying today because of you guys. I regret that my people helped your people out. Risking their lives to save your kinds and putting their trust in the US. That was that biggest mistake that Vang Pao made in his life. maikue yang

to jeff: i do have a bitter attitude. i have it because of you and your kind..you'll have it too if your people was betrayed by HMONGS...left to died...when you said "Don't make being a victim your focus in life - you will get no where" sorry but thats NOT TRUE... it makes me a strong person and it makes me work even hard to get to my goals...It's funny how you and your kind can be bitter and angry toward Iraqis for the war there...but i should forgive and forget about what had happen in vietnam war...and another thing being nice and saying thank you gets you nowhwere in this country...you have to be mean and selfish..that's what you and your kind have taught me.. UNQUOTE//

I disagree with you. You ARE to bitter to talk ANY right sense. What you say is all out of opinion and ANGER making US hmong people look like a kind full of bitterness. We gladly fought along side with the "other kind" as you refer them to.

In fact, YOU are just as bad as them making stereotypical conclusions such as this to even DARE to comment so unprecisely.

Yes us hmong have suffered, but we came here to america to get away. You can say we're still suffering but hell, who isn't?? You think only WE have it bad.

We are all equal. We might not be as rich, but we hmong work to get there and many of us have become successful.

It's people like YOU that make me ashamed of being hmong.

You guys just don't get it do you? Jeff Lindsay made this site out of her own will. It wasn't for profit or because she HATES us.

It's people like YOU that make us hmong seem so bitter. You go around and turn people who look at you in a good light away by saying "You think this makes up for everything"

This is why whites, blacks, hispanics, etc. look away from us hmong people. We're too bitter, we ask too many questions when people like Jeff Lindsay want to help us. We question their goodness.

Why?? Most of us are too caught up on the bad side.

I am hmong too. Whatever has happend in our history, it happend. You can't go around complaining and shoving it into every white american's face. You wouldn't like it!

If you're talking about betrayal it's only the hmong people who have betrayed themselves. They have failed to see everything in a different light.

You think because of some white americans that we suffered so much? Look at us! We worship the spirits!

If you were God, would you want to bless your children who look to someone else for help?

I'm not just speaking this from a christian's POV.

We never had land. We don't HAVE a country to claim our own.. But why do we need it? WE DON'T.

You want us to suffer MORE? Have you noticed all the little countries trying to be ooverrun by bigger and more powerful countries? You see how HARD it is? We're actually BLESSED to not have a country.

Our country is in our hearts. It's OUR home. WE are the hmong people. The FREE MAN.

America is our home. We will fight for america as if it was our own.

Your bitterness and your attitude was NOT caused by "the other kind" It was out of your own heart. There is a majestrate that sits in your heart that determines everything you feel and think.

It's YOU who made yourself so bitter. If you just let go and have faith in God, maybe things will start changing. BUT NO, us hmong people have hmong people like YOU who can't let go of a grudge.

my Hmong People are important to me. Chai Vang is my uncle.

I've met him a couple of times. What he did was wrong, but I believe it WAS out of self-defense. The first degree murders should have been second degress murders.

I even CRIED when I heard they found him guilty. He is my uncle and I will not be shamed of his name.

He has goodness in him, and him staying behind bars can be viewed in a better light. He can be qualified for parole which I'm praying he is.

For the hunters who died, some of them deserved to die and some of them didn't. But what is done is done right? You can't bring them back. Their families are just as bitter as you.

Place yourself in their boots. You may be upset about my uncle being put behind bars, but if you were in their shoes, you'd probably want the guy who killed your dad in jail too!

It's your BITTERNESS and HATRED that makes you think this way. You ALL are so blinded.

Me, standing where I am, You, MaiKue Yang, are just as low as "the other kind" who really do despise our kind. Because you in return are doing the same thing, which makes YOU as low as them.

You'd never understand though. Not until you give yourself a reality check. Not when you're still full of anger and bitterness.

You'll just reply to this and argue your way through. I, however, will not argue with you. I made my points clear.

You have no right to stand on your ground where you are right now and say all this BS.

We all of suffered. We ALL have paid the prices. Because the color of our skin, the color of our eyes, the history we have, YOU people separate us and put us under categories. AND YOU are just the same.

We may be different on the outside, but in the inside, your heart is just as black as the other "kind". The way you say "your and your kind" you are just as racist.

ANYWAYS,

Nice pictures Jeff Lindsay :)


60. California Pacific Rim left...
Monday, 19 September 2005 1:34 am

Nyob zoo Jeff Lindsay,

I don't know why but for some reasons I admire your site about the Hmong people so much. It seems to be that each time I search for the Hmong topics, your page is the first topic that comes up for the hmong people and I do appreciate that so much. I always want to write to you to comment and compliment your site but I never have the guts to. However, something just touch me at this moment that I should let you know how important you are to the Hmong community and especially being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Out of all the churches that I went to and have came to know, everyone of them has been great but through your site and you as representing the church also makes the church even a better church. It brings the light of the church to the world that the church do cares especially someone like you who are very involved in the Hmong community. I believe this will eventually help many younger and even older Hmong to acknowledge and convert to the church. The reason I say this is because I love to help our community too and hoping one day the Hmong people will be successful as any other nationality in the world.

I notice that you have recieved so many emails and comments from everyone and I can't believe myself to see that much comments you have here and I actually finally finished reading it. WOW! Anyways, I know that there are good comments and bad comments but you are the light of our hmong people and a great representative of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I really appreciate your effort and time to do your research on this site and help bring the light to the Hmong. For those who understands will thank you however those that doesn't know who you are will say many bad things and I do want to appologized about that to you. I rather have you keep up your good work about that Hmong people because you really did a wonderful work.

For myself, I think America is the best country. Every nationalities or countries all over the world look up to America as an idle. Everyone wants to come here to be free. To myself, I am grateful that the americans have helped us come here to the United States of America. Look at all the suffering that our Hmong people went through since 5000 years ago until now. We are a very unique and ancient people. We have been through so much that seems like we weren't even exist now. Because of people like you, Jeff, makes us Hmong people have a voice and the power to adjust and improve and appreciate of who we are. Like I said earlier, for those that read this and understands will understand however those that doesn't will never. So again, I appreciate your kindness and effort to take your time to help many of our younger Hmong generations understand our culture a little better. And for us Hmong, we should be grateful that we are here in america to have this freedom, this agency, to choose what we want to do in our individual life to help improve our lives. God, our Heavenly Father, created us to be different to learn the differences and to know how to love one to another. We cannot just love our own kind but to love others as well.

Jeff, I am also an LDS member, and I will always be an LDS member and a leader to our youth and the church because for your examples have gave me strenght to help accomplish my goals. Hope this will touch my Hmong brothers and sisters out there heart that things will change in the ways you think.

And before I go, I do want to testify that the things Jeff Lindsay comments about our Hmong people are true and positive because he loves us and want to support us in every ways. Just because he's different doesn't mean that he's different. He's just a human being just like we are. And if we think twice then we will notice that. Hope you all understands. If not, oh well. Think again.

Thanks again.


61. Jane Xiong left...
Wednesday, 21 September 2005 4:40 pm

In regards to Maikue Yang- You presented yourself in such an ignorant and ill-mannered way, that I can’t help the fact but pity you for such grudges. I’m not here to criticize you, I just felt the need to point out how you’re just the same as any other intolerant person, classifying “Your kind, my kind of people” as a whole by the color of their skin. Sorry, but that’s just ridiculously hypocritical of you, don’t you think? I’m just asking you to be more open-minded, if you will. Anyway, I believe Jasmine Cha did a well job on explaining that on her part. And lastly, thanks to Jess Lindsay for creating such a resourceful site. Not only for the Hmongs themselves, but for everyone else.


62. herbao Vajj left...
Monday, 26 September 2005 8:41 pm

OKAY GUYS!!!! god damn, i read every1's comment ONE BY ONE AND IT ALL SAY THE SAME STUFF!! represent hmong o yeah this and that o yeah, the heck.. speak as u wish..i apprechiate the creator of this site.. cuz what i've hurd man.. put your words in action god damnit!!! us younger generation has it to good man... just think.. if your parents died right.. and their last wish was for u to be a doctor. O GOSH i bet u would be the BEST DOCTOR out there .. why? modivation right.. well.. find a modivatino thats somewhat as great as that. wont b the same, but it'll b good.. u just dont know it guys. your parents togehter in there rooms, u think all they do is watch hmong movies? i bet chu dey sometimes talk about your future and obviouisly your mom will cry and hope that u susceed.. theres alotta modivation out there guys, just find one that suits u. iono guys .. iono bout u.. imma make this note short... but.. ....... .. . .. . .. ..... BEFORE I DIE..... I SWEAR TO MY CultURE!! BEFORE I DIE!!!! I WILL FIND A WAY FOR US TO HAVE A hoME!!!!! I PROMISE U GUYS THAT..... i will find a way.. obviously.. my dad works for the pentagon. hes supposely in conitrol of the satelight thingy for the united states? iono its so top secret he wont even tell me.. hes like.. the representer for the UNITED STATES... he just barely came back from russia .. wtF? RUSSIA DAMJN MAN!!! AND THIS COOL JOB BELONGS TO A KID FROM LASO SELLING GOLD FISHES FROM THE STREET TO GOING STRAIT TO HIGH ScHOOL WITH NO SKILLS WHAT-SO-EVER.. why? his modivation was hecka big.. o gosh.. look at us guys.. 15 16 17 18.. we are like 1000X smarter than my dad when he 1st got here in america.. why arent we having a job thats 1000X better than his?? some1 answer me??? it ant easy is it.. he tells me everyday that if he can do it, why cant i? everyday i imagine him being my age... going to high school with me, me compare 2 him. im a genius, why does he get the better life? ill never figure it out but watever.. I DONT CARE BEFORE I DIE I WILL GET A MASTERS DEGREE FOR THE STUDIES OF A HOME FOR THE HMONG PEOPLE. iono what field is that? tell me im lost, but thats my dreams and my goal that im headin. if any1 wana joi n me feel free. if i die, i wont die alone. ill make sure im recgonized by every1.. until then, i better go to sleeep its pass my bed time seeyah !

kuv yoj herbao Vaj .. age 15 sex Male status singo Heigh 5'5 muhahaha i could go forever im kiddin seeyah.


63. herbao Vajj left...
Monday, 26 September 2005 8:42 pm

OKAY GUYS!!!! god damn, i read every1's comment ONE BY ONE AND IT ALL SAY THE SAME STUFF!! represent hmong o yeah this and that o yeah, the heck.. speak as u wish..i apprechiate the creator of this site.. cuz what i've hurd man.. put your words in action god damnit!!! us younger generation has it to good man... just think.. if your parents died right.. and their last wish was for u to be a doctor. O GOSH i bet u would be the BEST DOCTOR out there .. why? modivation right.. well.. find a modivatino thats somewhat as great as that. wont b the same, but it'll b good.. u just dont know it guys. your parents togehter in there rooms, u think all they do is watch hmong movies? i bet chu dey sometimes talk about your future and obviouisly your mom will cry and hope that u susceed.. theres alotta modivation out there guys, just find one that suits u. iono guys .. iono bout u.. imma make this note short... but.. ....... .. . .. . .. ..... BEFORE I DIE..... I SWEAR TO MY CultURE!! BEFORE I DIE!!!! I WILL FIND A WAY FOR US TO HAVE A hoME!!!!! I PROMISE U GUYS THAT..... i will find a way.. obviously.. my dad works for the pentagon. hes supposely in conitrol of the satelight thingy for the united states? iono its so top secret he wont even tell me.. hes like.. the representer for the UNITED STATES... he just barely came back from russia .. wtF? RUSSIA DAMJN MAN!!! AND THIS COOL JOB BELONGS TO A KID FROM LASO SELLING GOLD FISHES FROM THE STREET TO GOING STRAIT TO HIGH ScHOOL WITH NO SKILLS WHAT-SO-EVER.. why? his modivation was hecka big.. o gosh.. look at us guys.. 15 16 17 18.. we are like 1000X smarter than my dad when he 1st got here in america.. why arent we having a job thats 1000X better than his?? some1 answer me??? it ant easy is it.. he tells me everyday that if he can do it, why cant i? everyday i imagine him being my age... going to high school with me, me compare 2 him. im a genius, why does he get the better life? ill never figure it out but watever.. I DONT CARE BEFORE I DIE I WILL GET A MASTERS DEGREE FOR THE STUDIES OF A HOME FOR THE HMONG PEOPLE. iono what field is that? tell me im lost, but thats my dreams and my goal that im headin. if any1 wana joi n me feel free. if i die, i wont die alone. ill make sure im recgonized by every1.. until then, i better go to sleeep its pass my bed time seeyah !


64. maikue yang left...
Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:12 pm

to: jasmine cha

im sorry but it people like you who makes hmong people look weak...when you say that its people like me who makes hmong people looks bitter you're so wrong..its people like me who are the ones who really care about hmong people...you may be a be a hmong person but the truth your not but a fake one...im not ashame to say that hmong people is my kind and im not ashame to say that your kind... all im say is the truth...and if u cant admit that that's the truth then im sorry...by me saying your king and my kind if that makes me a racist then so be it...


65. Yer Lee left...
Tuesday, 4 October 2005 4:11 pm

Jeff, thank you for telling the world the truth about the Hmong.

I was born during the 1975 era, I consider myself the Vietname War baby boomer. I didn't know much about the war until I went to school here and learn from my history class, but still confused. After I finished reading "Tragic Mountains" I have an idea on why and how we involed with the war. I also would like to thank, Jane Hamilton Merritt, for such wonderful book. I feel prouded for all the Hmong soldiers & American Ravens fighter, whose fighting a losing war. At the same time I cry & feel so bad for the Hmong, when I read Jane's book. I think we fought the wrong war at the wrong time. To me, it looks like the only people that care about the Hmong, are Jerry Daniel, Jane Hamilton Merritt, and you, Jeff.

For my fellow Hmong brothers & sisters, if you still interest about the Vietnam War, please read "THE RAVENS THE MEN WHO FLEW IN AMERICA'S SECRET WAR IN LAOS"

Washington and UN ignore the Hmong since the communist took over Laos and today they still ignore the Hmog. I'm sure they realized that they're the one who created the war. Well, this guilt will be inside their head for the rest of their life. You would think that Vietnam War was a lesson for them not to make another mistake, but guess not, look at Iraq now. This is how I feel about the US government.

I want to say a couple of words about the hunting incident. I want to sent my condolence to the victim's families, everyone of us will die some day, but this is not the way your love one should end their life. And for Chai Vang's families, that it's wrong to take the lives of some one, even though he did it for self-defense. So for both families, please lets not pointing finger at each other's face. Let the judge and jurys handle the case, which they already did.


66. b vang left...
Wednesday, 5 October 2005 8:53 pm

great job keep it up


67. Jenny left...
Monday, 10 October 2005 7:46 pm

Hello! First and foremost, I would like to thank you for taking the time to appreciate the Hmongs. Thank you very much for this wonderful site and interest you've taken in on the Hmong ethnic. My name is Jenny Yang and I'm from Fresno, California. I'm happily married for about 1 year now and I'm 21 years-old.

I was reading Jasmine Cha's comment and totally disagree with what she mentioned. She has her rights to be mad, but she didn't think it through that without the aid of the US then for us (the new generation..born here, raised here all our lives) and the survivors of the Secret War (our parents and relatives)would not have made it here where we are today!

I was skimming through some of the comments and came across your question about southern cali. if there was any event happening....Will in the summer time there's a few, but the best time to come is during the winter time. It is when Fresno has its Hmong New Year. The event takes place at the Fresno Fairgrounds and starts the day after Christmas up to the first of January (12/26-01/01).

Well, if there are any special interest you would like to know, you can always search the web. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Jenny Yang


68. Lee left...
Tuesday, 11 October 2005 9:08 am

Hello Mr. Lindsay. Please do not let ignorant and stupid people discourage you from doing wonderful work on behalf of the Hmong people. =) Your site is a GREAT gift to the Hmong community. Rest assured that I, along with many other Hmongs, greatly appreciate your sincerity and kindness toward the Hmongs. May our thanks inspire you to continue doing what you are doing.

Though a bit late (October at the time of this posting), I believe there are only a few Hmong festivals in southern California due to the small population of Hmongs living there. Being a former residence of southern California myself (constantly mistaken for being Chinese and greeted with "Ni hao ma?" and replying "Nyob zoo os."), the only cities that have a reasonable population of Hmongs are Santa Ana, Banning, Long Beach, and maybe a few other cities that I am not aware of.

Best wishes, and take care.


69. angel left...
Sunday, 16 October 2005 3:32 pm

i like ur pic.s


70. Pangie left...
Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:01 pm

This link is amazing.


71. Pov Hwm Yej left...
Saturday, 22 October 2005 12:16 am

Thank you for developing this website to enhance our knowledge and discover what kind of people exist out there.

I want to dedicate this message to all visitors of this site...especially the young to middle-aged Hmong. “Before you want others to recognize and respect you, you have to recognize and respect yourself.” It starts with you. Everyone who is smart would not use anger to solve his or her problems. I see a lot of Hmong people in this country who is highly educated but it seems they are not smart enough yet. I am talking about educated Hmong people who have forgotten their past. Everything has a beginning and an end. Young people though, seem to forget how their beginning started. So when this happens, it means education did nothing to enhance our wisdom. Think about it. How does it happen that elders back then, with their lack of education, have the ability to defend what they love for decades on end? To compare our generation to our parent's generation, we would not have made it for even a year if we had to face the kind of situation they had to go through. It explains that our generation has gone very far in terms of education but not in terms of wisdom and smartness. Therefore, even though we might be highly educated, in order for others to respect us and in order for us to become smarter, we still have to pay attention to our parents.

Our parents aren't that dumb even if they are not educated because they left themselves two doors to play with. With their situation back then, they either lost or won. But when they lost, they lost in a dignified manner, in which others would respect them. Our youths though are not smart enough. They only leave themselves with one door to play with. Therefore, when they are faced with a challenging situation like their parents, they don’t have many options. That leaves them with anger and bitterness for not being able to deal with the situation. So, what has education taught them, not much because they have not found the other special ingredient to make them true professionals. Youths these days are simply novices. This leaves us with the very valuable lesson that the choices in which our parents made which resulted in huge sacrifices of death is not a mistake at all.

Remember, there has to be a beginning and an end. Have our youths thought about working together in solving the problems and paying the price for the suffering our parents went through to get us this far? Face it, we are Hmong and will always be Hmong. Take it or leave it, you are still Hmong. So, remember how you got this far, who got you here, the sacrifices made, and tears that have been shed in order for you to reach this step in life. Always remember your past. It is time we worked together to pay this great price we still owe to our parents. I am one who has not forgotten and am still working towards paying my part of the debt.

Here is a very simple question I want to leave with Hmong youths out there. When a mean dog attacks someone, do you think about running from the situation or helping out that person in trouble? Now, put yourself in their shoes. If you were the one being attacked by that mean dog, would you want someone to help you?

Cov kwv tij Hmoob, yog hais tias nej twb tsis paub nej yog leej twg thiab Hmoob yog yeej twg ces nej yuav tsis tas sau ntawv tuaj sib cav hau no li nawj. Txawm koj yog Hmoob dub, Hmoob daj, Hmoob liab, Hmoob ntsuab, Hmoob xiav, Hmoob dab tsis los cia li lees hais tias koj yog Hmoob xwb ces tas lawm. Vim hais tias luag tsuas paub tib lub npe Hmoob xwb. Yog koj tseem hais ntau yam yuav ua rau luag confuse, luag yuav xav hais tias koj tsis yog Hmoob lawm no laiv.

Sau npe,

Pov Hwm Yej – Lub sij hawm los txog lawm lau, kuv yuav coj peb mus nyob peb lub teb chaws ossss……

P.S. yog hais tias nej nyeem cov lus no tas es nej ho tsis to taub, nws tsis tau txhais hais tias nej ntse tshaj kuv no yog kuv ntse tshaj nej, tsuas txhais tau hais tias nej yuav tsum tau mus kawm lus Hmoob ntxiv xwb mog…


72. cece left...
Saturday, 5 November 2005 5:30 pm

We are celebrating Hmong Festival at the Seattle Center in Seattle Washington. The Hmong people are warm, hospitable and having the time of their lives. We should try to learn about different cultures since our world is shrinking all the time.


73. David Langdown left...
Monday, 7 November 2005 7:14 am

I am an Australian who goes yearly to Thailand. My sympathies are with the Hmong peaple and i think it is dispicable the way the US Government and the UN are ignoring the plight of those Hmong still on Laos. I am surprised to read your stories of unhappiness and not nice treatment in America, but at least you are all safe, so please be thankful for that, you can sleep at night and know you will wake up safe and sound in the morning.Once again i have to say that i feel that your peaple in Laos have been deserted by America whose government does not seem to understand the sacrifices you made for her during that war. Thailand is a poor but large country so i think Taksin (the Thai president) should let you have a small province to live and make your own home, possibly in the South somewhere, All the finantial aspect could easily be managed by the USA, they can always find money for wars! In return you could become good citizens of Thailand and i am sure your young men could become EXCELLENT soldiers as you have proven in the past,

  • serving in their army.Thank you Jeff for your time and efforts in making the plight of the Hmong peaple more public. I can understand their bitterness and feeling of desertion, but time will heal.I have learned a lot about the Hmong from reading the letters in this site and will certianly try to do something to help the refugees however small when i return to Thailand in the new year. Good luck to all of you and try to be happy for your childrens sake .........Dave L.


74. Michael S. Coffey left...
Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:19 pm

Great website Jeff, I have enjoyed it! (I hope you don't mind me posting this open letter here):

To all Hmongs living in Northern California...

My wife and I recently moved to California from the South. She is Thai and I am white. I have enjoyed learning about my wife's Thai culture and other Asian cultures in the five years since we have been married. I have learned a good deal about the Hmong people from the different websites, and would like to make friends with any Hmongs out there in the CA Bay area that would like to talk about the culture, language, customs, etc. I would like for us to go to a New Year Festival if anyone could give us a clue as to where locally to go. Anyone wanting to contact me can do so at mscfiero@yahoo.com

Thanks, and best wishes to all Hmongs who read this! Michael S. Coffey Santa Clara, CA


75. Toua T. Vang left...
Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:45 pm

WOW! I am speechless. This website is exceptionally well layed out with information and pictures. I can't believe I ended up here from wikipedia.com. Mr. Jeff Lindsay, I want to thank you for all the work you have done about the Hmong people. Being a second generation Hmong I don't even know that much about my culture, but after reading all the information and research you have done made me feel good. I attend a small private college in Minnesota and the majority of the population is caucasian. It's really hard trying to explain what Hmong is and how they ended up dispersing all over, but I think your website could chnage that. Again, thank you SO much. Toua T. Vang


76. California Hmong left...
Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:33 am

Hmong New Year celebrations this year usually happens every weekend.

11/11 - 11/13 Stockton, CA 11/19 - 11/20 Visalia, CA 11/24 - 11/27 Sacramento, CA 12/23 - 12/26 Merced, CA 12/27 - 1/2/06 Fresno, CA

Come and enjoy! There's more but it usually change so I'll posted more once confirmed.


77. sum gurl left...
Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:07 am

err...well, luv the site. think it needs more info tho. o well. great job. =)


78. Anthony C. LoBaido left...
Wednesday, 30 November 2005 11:20 am

Hello Jeff and All Hmong People!

I salute you for your great work. And all the Hmong have done to survive as a people. Like the Rhodesians, UNITA, Kurds, Karen of Burma, Montagnards, Afrikaners, South Sudan and others, the Hmong are a great remnant.

I have a question. After my series on Wnd.com about the Hmong was published in 1999, there were hearings in Congress with Ben Gilman and Carl Bernard of Special Forces Operation White Star fame. I heard that former President Clinton signed an Executive Order or Presidential Directive (PDD) to exempt the Hmong from the ESL requirement needed in order to become citizens of the USA. I am asking exactly how many Hmong came to the USA as a result of the work of myself, Carl Bernard (a Colonel and great man who led Operation White Star in Laos in the early 1960's), Congressman Ben Gilman, the late Senator Paul Wellstone and our good friend Bill Clinton. I have heard numbers ranging from 3,500 to 35,000. How many Hmong have come to the U.S. each year since 1999, 2000, 2001 on to 2005? I would be most happy to know the truth. Many Hmong are moving to the Ozarks and I saw an article about them last week in Branson, Missouri. There is an amazing European remnant there and the Hmong will be among very good people. If anyone can answer the questions above, please contact me at montecristorising@hotmail.com God bless Jeff and all the Hmong people. I love the Hmong people so much, because the Hmong people are so good!


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Saturday, 3 December 2005 5:19 pm

Hi, first off I would like to say thank you to Jeff for taking the time to make this page and help us speak out for who we are. Now going through this I read some interesting opinions, here's my opinion. To all of you out there who says that they get mad when a white man tells them to go back to thier own country. Here's my advice to you. There are always gonna ignorant people, so therefor you should not let it bother you to much. You can choose to be ignorant back if you want, but why? It is all on how you want make your life. Don't let someones comment get into your train of thought to lose your motivation in life. I'm not being passive or scared im just stating that it is ridiculos to start or stir something thats isn't nesecessary. On to next thoughts. Ohh TO HERBOI and his Quote "WHY WEREN'T WE MENTION IN ANY OF THE U.S ROCORD UNTIL THE LATE 80'S?" (Loas was also not inculded) Well the simple fact is that reason for it is because we didn't make a name for ourselves until the 80's after the war was over no one took action to say something about it. No one spoke out for us. If u want to know about us Hmong people befor the 80's maybe you should stop asking and start doing take the time to and research it. There are many things about the hmong people before the 80's. Last comment about America and who was actually here frist, now correct me if im wrong but I believe I read some where that the Vikings where befor the indians they just never claimed it. So therefore the indians(native americans) where not the first ones here.


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reply to khue xiong:

yes, there are many different people that came from all over the world to this country. there can be times where each and every nationality may claim that they were the first to be here in america. just for an example if i was asian or should i say a hmong descendant then I would say the the hmong were the vikings that once lived out in the north which is now the USSR area and have once migrated to the other side through the Berring Straight (whatever you spell it) which is located on the very tip of USSR and Alaska. Then they migrated southward to the northern america and southern america. then there were conflicts between families and tribes and then start to break up into different clans. however the majority of us hmong as we chose to stayed in asia and fought the chinese, we have mixed with different chinese clans and become to look more like the chinese when we lost the war. plus if you are a person who likes to do geneology or research of you ancestors or just like to study the bibles then you would know more facts. for an example, jesus was born and died in jeruselum which is in asia. plus there were also another group there that were called the neiphi that have sailed the ship around the world which landed in the southern america. just like the hmongs, as generation pass on, different families want different things and then fought because of conflict thoughts. one became good and the other became bad. plus if you like to study to scriptures as in the genesis, noah was well known in the hmong history in china. hmong which were refer to miao in china was once telling missionaries that they knew of noah which was refered to nuah even before missionary introduce jesus and god. his wife and family for the amount of 8 people were the only ones survived from the flood. plus even chinese has a chinese charater that representt ship was the the number 8 on a boat means ship. cool huh. seth, one of nuah's son, left the brothers and came to asia which form the asian looks. and as for the other brothers, they have one down in africa which became african, one in europe which became european. and so forth. so now do you see the whole story. i have to go to work but i can give you the refernces where i get these informations so you can continue on you research ok my hmong brothers. plus let's not catergorize ourselves from others because like i say earlier we all came from the same parent which is adam and eve. we all came to america for the promise land that was once promised for freedom. we all chose to be here in this wonderful world to be tested and hope to return back to our heveanly father which is god above. peace out yall and god bless that you may hear my words.


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Tuesday, 6 December 2005 5:14 pm

hello!...i have always been proud of being Hmong! always always always!...my family, friends and everyone i know that is Hmong, we are all proud of who we are and our roots. To those out there who may feel a little insecure about it, please learn about your beautiful Hmong culture and how cool we are! our New years, Summer events, our headlines (hahaha JK), our beauty!!! hahaha-only then will you find complete self-satisfaction!...i'm always representing for my people and myself!...make sure you represent the Hmong culture and beautiful faces that we hold! hahaha!

<3 a minnesota Hmong Lee chick


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Tuesday, 6 December 2005 5:16 pm

hello!...i have always been proud of being Hmong! always always always!...my family, friends and everyone i know that is Hmong, we are all proud of who we are and our roots. To those out there who may feel a little insecure about it, please learn about your beautiful Hmong culture and how cool we are! our New years, Summer events, our headlines (hahaha JK), our beauty!!! hahaha-only then will you find complete self-satisfaction!...i'm always representing for my people and myself!...make sure you represent the Hmong culture and beautiful faces that we hold! hahaha!

<3 a minnesota Hmong Lee chick


83. everybody left...
Friday, 16 December 2005 8:58 am

Gosh i never knew about this site about hmong! U did a great job on researching!! Now many people will know about HMONG!!!!! HMONG PRYDE TILL THE END!!!!!!!!!!!!! REPRESENTING THIS PRYDE TILL I DIE!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!:)(: :)(:


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Gosh i never knew about this site about hmong! U did a great job on researching!! Now many people will know about HMONG!!!!! HMONG PRYDE TILL THE END!!!!!!!!!!!!! REPRESENTING THIS PRYDE TILL I DIE!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!:)(: :)(:


85. Caroline Vang left...
Saturday, 17 December 2005 10:11 pm

I love people who are so open-minded about everything. It's always fascinating when others are interested in helping the rest of the world understand different cultures like ours. Mr.Lindsey, you rock!


86. Jim left...
Monday, 26 December 2005 1:50 am

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87. khoume left...
Wednesday, 4 January 2006 7:49 am

hello people nice page.. alot of things that are pretty cool i guess not really... i am kinda wishy white wash sorry


88. YUMMY left...
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WELL SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE CHAI STORY....I'M FROM MINNESOTA AND I LIVE JUST RIGHT NEAR HIM! I THINK THAT IF WE ALL HMONG PEOPLE WORK FOR HIS RIGHTS AND WE ALL WORK TOGETHER HE WILL BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH IT! EXAMPLE: HOMER SIMPSON! HA.....HE WAS CONVICTED OF KILLING HIS WIFE! AND YOU KNOW WITH EVERYONE HELPING HIM....HAVING FAITH IN HIM ACTUALLY GOT HIM OUT OF JAIL! AND ALL THE BLACKS WERE HAPPY! WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE THAT! THE BLACKS BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME! THEY WERE SLAVES....THEY WERE TORTURED...KILLED....DISCRIMINATED! THEY ARE STANDING STRONG TODAY AND HAPPY! IF WE ARE STONG THAN WE CAN DO IT!


89. Cha Lee left...
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Hey jeff, well i love your web site, its got me floating man, its amazing how one of my gurls told me that she found my pix on here so i checked it out and wow i'm totally amazed but keep up the good work here jeff and see ya around bye!


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100. Mike Ku left...
Monday, 16 January 2006 9:19 pm

Hey Jeff. This site is awsome. Tells me that other people kno about us Hmong people. Some times as a 15 year old i feel like no one knows about us but yet we are all over the world. I read ur whole post on Hmong people and the hidden war. i must say wow you kno alot. And yes my grandpa was in that war. died after he came bak. but we have to move on with our life and tell stories of wut happened. Hmong New Years is always the best in our culture at (least thats wut i think haha). if u want visit my xanga site www.xanga.com/fwjchim


101. Hmong Redneck left...
Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:14 am

Hey Jeff Lindsey... awesome... and Git-r-done... Save a hmong, kill a deer


102. Hmong Redneck left...
Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:15 am

Hey Jeff Lindsey... awesome... and Git-r-done... Save a hmong, kill a deer


103. jackson left...
Wednesday, 18 January 2006 8:59 pm

whoo !! kool site !!! Bishop Lindsay i was just browsin around and um.. i saw ur your picture and named and it jsut poppped in my head ur the bishop we slept at before ! i frum california and we was there about sor 4 years ago for the hmong conference ! remember ? three hmong dudes frum cali. one of them served amission there recently. and guess wat one of my friend is comin down there in march so ull get to know him soon. but me ill be leavin t minnesota !!! yup !! so ull take kare !!


104. HMOOB YAJ left...
Wednesday, 18 January 2006 9:55 pm

Always be proud of who you are. Never let racial descrimination put you down. We are Hmong. Even though we don't have a country, we still have each other and for all of the children, your parents came here for a better life. Don't do anything that would let them down. Work hard, go to school because it's the number one thing for success in life. They brought you here for a better life. They didn't have all the things you have now, so work hard and give them what they want. Thank them and never be to afraid to tell them you love them. Make them proud, so in their life they well know they had a son or daughter that had a better life then i did. Don't be embarrass of who you are, stay strong and live long because we are Hmong.


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Always be proud of who you are. Never let racial descrimination put you down. We are Hmong. Even though we don't have a country, we still have each other and for all of the children, your parents came here for a better life. Don't do anything that would let them down. Work hard, go to school because it's the number one thing for success in life. They brought you here for a better life. They didn't have all the things you have now, so work hard and give them what they want. Thank them and never be to afraid to tell them you love them. Make them proud, so in their life they well know they had a son or daughter that had a better life then i did. Don't be embarrass of who you are, stay strong and live long because we are Hmong.


106. Janie Vue left...
Friday, 20 January 2006 1:48 pm

Hi there. I am very HAPPY to see all your love and support for the Hmong culture. I am a very open minded individual and I find it easily to accept other's as they are. However with today's world it's hard to meet accepting and compassionate people. Thanks for taking your time to voice your thoughts about the HMONG people. I hope you continue to build your site for others to see. W/Love and Respect, Ms. Janie, 23 years old, mother of one, HmooB Oregon

Today and everyday I pray for world peace!


107. Helen left...
Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:58 am

Nice webpage Jeff. I really appreciate what you have done, because not a whole lot of people would find Hmong people interesting, not even Hmong people would put in as much energy as you did on studying about the Hmong in the U.S. Keep it up and I hope someday I will be able to do what you did.

Helen Xiong


108. Bobby Lor left...
Wednesday, 1 February 2006 7:22 pm

I hope you live forever. Man! I just love the way you write about us Hmong, I mean not even we write like that sometimes. Thank you so much!!


109. LaHanau left...
Saturday, 4 February 2006 3:23 pm

It is great how Hmong have been through so much and have overcome it :)For the past few months I'd been wondering about Hmong backgrund and traditions. This website is such a great insight. Keep up the great work. :)


110. hannah left...
Thursday, 9 February 2006 1:27 am

the hmongs are good people. i love you.


111. dao vang left...
Friday, 24 February 2006 12:30 pm

wassup hmoobs.....yea dis site ish tight.....i'm doin research on da origins of hmong 4 my speech..... there ish only one kind of hmong...."Hmong Prides"....

Vangsta


112. Padeela vangstah left...
Wednesday, 1 March 2006 2:54 pm

hey there...hmoob peepoz welp what are you udoing huh? so do we rock or what?anyways hope yah hollar bakieh and tell all about why do we rule so much...? j/k welps....i'm in heae researching about shaman people abouts hmong peepoz!


113. LaHanau left...
Wednesday, 1 March 2006 6:55 pm

I'm learning Hmong.....I'm having a bit of trouble.....I need help... :)


114. Carrie Vang left...
Wednesday, 8 March 2006 2:21 pm

Hey Jeff, since you're so interested in Hmong people, here's something I think you might enjoy knowing about the "other" Hmong people who are still left behind in Laos. It is a non-profit organization and my dad is running it. You should check out the website, it's www.factfinding.org. What I find amazing about your photo album is the "floating Hmong." It's hilarious! :D Great job, it's nice to know there's someone out there like you who'd care about the Hmong people and thank for trying to let everyone know about us. Bye!


115. Carrie Vang left...
Wednesday, 8 March 2006 2:26 pm

I forgot to tell you, my dad's name is Ger Vang.


116. Vanessa left...
Thursday, 9 March 2006 7:30 pm

Hi Jeff,

I really like your website and appreciate all your efforts in putting up this website. I grew up in Appleton, WI and lived there between 1979-1987. While I got married and moved away from the area, I still feel a strong connection to the town. I still have relatives who lives there. I personally didn't experienced any type of racism but I know that they existed. I was some of the more fortunate ones that didn't experienced racism. In regards to the hunting tragedy, I feel a great deal of sympathy to both sides of the party. Appleton was a small town when I was there and there were only a few hundred of families living there. Now, the city has grown and there are alot more Hmong families living in Appleton. As Hmong population increased I know that there will be more resentment and racism. I don't think people seemed to realized that we were all foreigners to this great country at some point in our family history. As our American history has revealed we all have to learn and live peacefully with eachother. We all have to respect and try to understand this great nation's melting pot population. Since Hmong people are hill tribes and farmers, coming to this country and adjusting to the culture was very hard. We are very peaceful, easygoing and calm race. In order for one of us to react to a situation such as killing someone, our point of resolution was bleaked or feel that our life was threatened. I still feel sad that everybody involved in this tragedy will be marked for life. I hope that we all learned from this tragedy and that nobody died in vain. I thank you for making the world or the country aware of our existence (Hmong). People will try to get to know and understand us if they know that there's a race and culture such as ours exist.


117. Vanessa left...
Thursday, 9 March 2006 7:31 pm

Hi Jeff,

I really like your website and appreciate all your efforts in putting up this website. I grew up in Appleton, WI and lived there between 1979-1987. While I got married and moved away from the area, I still feel a strong connection to the town. I still have relatives who still lives there. I personally didn't experienced any types of racism but I know that they existed. I was some of the more fortunate ones that didn't experience racism. In regards to the hunting tragedy, I feel a great deal of sympathy to both sides of the party. Appleton was a small town when I was there and there were only a few hundred of families living there. Now, the city has grown and there are alot more Hmong families living in Appleton. As Hmong population increased I know that there will be more resentment and racism. I don't think people seemed to realized that we were all foreigners to this great country at some point in our family history. As our American history has revealed we all have to learn and live peacefully with eachother. We all have to respect and try to understand this great nation's melting pot population. Since Hmong people are hill tribes and farmers, coming to this country and adjusting to the culture was very hard. We are very peaceful, easygoing and calm race. In order for one of us to react to a situation such as killing someone, our point of resolution or feel that our life was threatened. I thank you for making the world or the country aware of our existence (Hmong). People will try to get to know and understand us if they know that there's a race and culture such as ours exist.


118. Kevin Townsend left...
Sunday, 12 March 2006 7:35 pm

Awesome work Jeff. My brother-in-law served in the San Diego Hmong mission and we have learned to love these great people. I love their food too. Especially their egg rolls. Politics aside I am glad to have these great people living in the U.S. I was in Philadelphia about a year ago and met a Hmong woman selling the fine needlework they make. What a talent. They are in more areas of the U.S. than I had thought. Thanks again for the great photos and information on the fine Hmong people.


119. emily left...
Wednesday, 29 March 2006 12:11 am

hi jeff, i just wanted to thank you for your site and your wonderful pictures. i'm a nursing student and am taking a human diversity course, in which we're reading "the spirit catches you and you fall down". after beginning it, i had to learn more about these fascinating people. thank you for sharing their beauty and strength in these pages, and for giving me another perspective into their history and modern culture.


120. John Yang left...
Sunday, 16 April 2006 10:52 am

I don't know about the rest of the Hmong out there, but I'm only one of a few hand ful of Hmong out here in Boston. No, there is no Hmong community here, but I have visited largely concentrated communities before. And from what I see, here, and also read from the news, I feel that the 2nd and 3rd generation Hmong Americans are not making the most of their lives and not making names for ourselves so that we can be heard. I only see and hear negative things when I hear about the Hmong. We can't blame anything on our past, but to look onto the present and future. The majority of you are limiting yourself to your culture and traditions and not going out and being ambitious and the most that you can be so that we can be heard positively. With all that's going on, as proud as I am to be Hmong, some times, I'm embarassed to be Hmong. Hear me out though...look around, compare the Hmong Americans to other Asian Americans...we are really behind in almost everything. We have no one to blame but ourselves.


121. Pang Lee left...
Sunday, 16 April 2006 11:03 am

Hey John, I agree with you. I'm a student here at Brown University. I am from St Paul and came out here to get away from the community for a while to see how life would be like to be not solely relying on the community. It was really weird at first, but I have gotten use to it. I have learned a great deal more in these past 2 years being away from the community more than I have all my years in St Paul. I've learned the history of my people, I've even taught all of my Korean, Japanese, and Chinese friends about the Hmong. But when they say that they hear about the Hmong here in the US, it's always about killings and crimes. I've told them that the Hmong is slowly changing, but in due time, Hmong Americans will thrive. We are one of the hardest working people and have gone through many hardships. But going back to what you say about the Hmong Americans not making the most out of their lives, I can totally understand why you would say such a thing. Had I went to Univ of Min instead, I would not have experienced what I have and learned what I know today. I really hope the Hmong Americans do change and see that life is not a game and getting too comfortable in large Hmong communities is a limitation in life. The only way to grow up would be to leave the nest and learn to be responsible and learn how the world really works and how you can play a key part in making something of yourself in society without sacrificing your origin and culture. Good luck, I hope everyone who reads this blog does not take it the wrong way.


122. Big brother Vang left...
Monday, 17 April 2006 6:15 am

Both of you are wrong. Stop bashing the Hmong if you are not proud to be Hmong!


123. Kong Peng Yang left...
Monday, 17 April 2006 9:35 am

This is a great site you have. I live in Wausaw and there are a lot of Hmong everywhere. Keep up the good work!


124. Thao left...
Tuesday, 18 April 2006 1:27 pm

Nice, I like your pictures... It's very unlikely to see someone who would care alot about us Hmong people. But I was wrong. There are some ones out there...


125. Thao left...
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Nice, I like your pictures... It's very unlikely to see someone who would care alot about us Hmong people. But I was wrong. There are some ones out there...


126. LaHanau left...
Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:50 am

I haven't been on here for a while....I know how to say hello now..... : ) Nyob zoo (I can pronounce it) .... WOO HOO!!


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Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:13 pm

wow... this is nice... the pictures are cool..


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wow... this is nice... the pictures are cool..


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wow... this is nice... the pictures are cool..


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Wow.. Kool.. hehe


131. Kristin left...
Wednesday, 3 May 2006 8:05 pm

Hi Jeff,

I am a graphic designer creating a study guide on hunger in Wisconsin for the Wisconsin Council of Churches. They have several case Studies for discussion, one of them is a case that describes a Hmong family in a difficult spot -- needing the support of a food pantry or other community food help. There are four case studies with families from different backgrounds and situations. I am supposed to use an image of a Hmong family and am stumped about how to do that on a very limited budget. Do you ever make your photos available for use for a non-profit publication? Do you get releases from the families or is that part of the limitation of using your photos? If you have any other resources, that would be great. I'm thinking I may need to use a piece of Hmong clothing or fabric instead of a portrait. IF you can help, great. If not, I understand. Thanks. Kristin


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Wednesday, 3 May 2006 8:05 pm

Hi Jeff,

I am a graphic designer creating a study guide on hunger in Wisconsin for the Wisconsin Council of Churches. They have several case Studies for discussion, one of them is a case that describes a Hmong family in a difficult spot -- needing the support of a food pantry or other community food help. There are four case studies with families from different backgrounds and situations. I am supposed to use an image of a Hmong family and am stumped about how to do that on a very limited budget. Do you ever make your photos available for use for a non-profit publication? Do you get releases from the families or is that part of the limitation of using your photos? If you have any other resources, that would be great. I'm thinking I may need to use a piece of Hmong clothing or fabric instead of a portrait. IF you can help, great. If not, I understand. Thanks. Kristin


133. P-- T--- left...
Wednesday, 10 May 2006 9:21 pm

Jeff,

  • Please don't take offense to this question, but why are you interested in the Hmongs and their culture? I'm sure there's a good reason but I would like to know. If you read the entries above, many of the Hmongs who wrote something stated that they've never seen/heard of a White or someone of another race so interested in the Hmong culture, and some even thought that no one even cared about Hmongs until they landed on your webpage. Throughout my life, I've never had seen/heard someone so interested in the Hmongs and their culture. Since you are, I would like to share something with you...

  • This year, I took an English course at my high school, "Expository Writing," and our first paper was a personal paper. There's nothing else more personal than friends, that I had a long time ago. When I first moved to Wisconsin, it was hard for me to make friends. We also kept moving back and forth (from one side of town to another side) and so I kept switching schools. In the 6th grade, something happened that I'll never forget. I made friends, three of them. Two were White and one was Hispanic. Pretty cool? Two White boys, one Hispanic, and one Orient hanging out together like brothers. Well, in middle school, we were all seperated because of the classes we took and the hours we had each class so the communicating simply slowed down. After the seventh grade, we moved again, so I changed middle schools. Two years later, in high school, we were all together again, but again, we had no classes together. To this very present day, we walk past each other in the hallways and we don't even say hi. Also, the older I get, I start noticing people becoming less colorblind. At my high school, unlike elementary school, all of the Asians sit together at lunch, same with the Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. Ofcourse, within each racial group, it's further divided, but anyone can easily tell people sit by their own racial group. It's so hard making new White friends, and harder to make Hispanic friends. It's funny how colorblind children are.

  • Another thing I want to share with you, all my life, none of my teachers ever bothered to teach about Hmongs and where they come from. That may be the reason why so many non-Hmongs don't know why Hmongs live in the United States. Well, it all changed when I stepped into my "World History" classroom. I didn't expect the teacher to teach about Hmongs and their origination. I, along with other Hmong classmates willing to participate, prepare a little feast of Hmong food for the class. The funny thing is that the other "World History" teacher does not teach about Hmongs.

  • Many people ask me, what religion do I believe in? Well, I'm not religious, so that's a hard question to answer. But I believe a little bit of this and that. My parents believe in Shamanism (Hmong religion), but I simply believe a little bit of Shamanism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. I'm not sure what's wrong with me, but I guess I was born to be colorblind.

  • I thank you for your sympathy for the Hmongs. God will bless you.

Sincerely, P-- T---


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Wednesday, 10 May 2006 9:22 pm

Jeff,

  • Please don't take offense to this question, but why are you interested in the Hmongs and their culture? I'm sure there's a good reason but I would like to know. If you read the entries above, many of the Hmongs who wrote something stated that they've never seen/heard of a White or someone of another race so interested in the Hmong culture, and some even thought that no one even cared about Hmongs until they landed on your webpage. Throughout my life, I've never had seen/heard someone so interested in the Hmongs and their culture. Since you are, I would like to share something with you...

  • This year, I took an English course at my high school, "Expository Writing," and our first paper was a personal paper. There's nothing else more personal than friends, that I had a long time ago. When I first moved to Wisconsin, it was hard for me to make friends. We also kept moving back and forth (from one side of town to another side) and so I kept switching schools. In the 6th grade, something happened that I'll never forget. I made friends, three of them. Two were White and one was Hispanic. Pretty cool? Two White boys, one Hispanic, and one Orient hanging out together like brothers. Well, in middle school, we were all seperated because of the classes we took and the hours we had each class so the communicating simply slowed down. After the seventh grade, we moved again, so I changed middle schools. Two years later, in high school, we were all together again, but again, we had no classes together. To this very present day, we walk past each other in the hallways and we don't even say hi. Also, the older I get, I start noticing people becoming less colorblind. At my high school, unlike elementary school, all of the Asians sit together at lunch, same with the Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. Ofcourse, within each racial group, it's further divided, but anyone can easily tell people sit by their own racial group. It's funny how colorblind children are.

  • Another thing I want to share with you, all my life, none of my teachers ever bothered to teach about Hmongs and where they come from. That may be the reason why so many non-Hmongs don't know why Hmongs live in the United States. Well, it all changed when I stepped into my "World History" classroom. I didn't expect the teacher to teach about Hmongs and their origination. The funny thing is that the other "World History" teacher does not teach about Hmongs.

  • Many people ask me, what religion do I believe in? Well, I'm not religious, so that's a hard question to answer. But I believe a little bit of this and that. My parents believe in Shamanism (Hmong religion), but I simply believe a little bit of Shamanism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. I'm not sure what's wrong with me, but I guess I was born to be colorblind.

  • I thank you for your sympathy for the Hmongs. God blessed you.

Sincerely, P-- T---


135. Gao Sheng Lor left...
Monday, 22 May 2006 8:23 am

Thanks for understanding the Hmong people. Not alot of people understand where we come from, or why we're even in the United States. People should be more like you Jeff. I hope that others would start to accept one another.

Take good care


136. Gao Sheng Lor left...
Monday, 22 May 2006 8:23 am

Thanks for understanding the Hmong people. Not alot of people understand where we come from, or why we're even in the United States. People should be more like you Jeff. I hope that others would start to accept one another.

Take good care


137. laura left...
Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:32 pm

this is a cool site...i need to learn hmong and i need help!!!


138. laura left...
Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:32 pm

this is a cool site...i need to learn hmong and i need help!!!


139. leslie left...
Thursday, 25 May 2006 6:17 pm

wow, this page is so dedicated to me. i am Hmong. and i think jeff (the creater of this site of course) is the bomb. he understand us hmong and mong people how and why we migrated to live here in the U.S. i am doing a project about the vietnam war and i am so gonna mention that us hmong/mong people helped fight the north vietnam. thanks for all this work, jeff. u made me realize that at least there is someone that is american and knows why we are so far behind everyone else in everything.


140. leslie left...
Thursday, 25 May 2006 6:17 pm

wow, this page is so dedicated to me. i am Hmong. and i think jeff (the creater of this site of course) is the bomb. he understand us hmong and mong people how and why we migrated to live here in the U.S. i am doing a project about the vietnam war and i am so gonna mention that us hmong/mong people helped fight the north vietnam. thanks for all this work, jeff. u made me realize that at least there is someone that is american and knows why we are so far behind everyone else in everything.


141. leslie left...
Thursday, 25 May 2006 6:18 pm

wow, this page is so dedicated to me. i am Hmong. and i think jeff (the creater of this site of course) is the bomb. he understand us hmong and mong people how and why we migrated to live here in the U.S. i am doing a project about the vietnam war and i am so gonna mention that us hmong/mong people helped fight the north vietnam. thanks for all this work, jeff. u made me realize that at least there is someone that is american and knows why we are so far behind everyone else in everything.


142. leslie left...
Thursday, 25 May 2006 6:18 pm

wow, this page is so dedicated to me. i am Hmong. and i think jeff (the creater of this site of course) is the bomb. he understand us hmong and mong people how and why we migrated to live here in the U.S. i am doing a project about the vietnam war and i am so gonna mention that us hmong/mong people helped fight the north vietnam. thanks for all this work, jeff. u made me realize that at least there is someone that is american and knows why we are so far behind everyone else in everything.


143. Yuna left...
Wednesday, 7 June 2006 3:26 pm

Hi Jeff. I see that those who came here left good comments while others maybe be a little too offensive. Some are understanding and some may be ignorant. I hope that you will keep this up whether others thinks of it less or not. I feel it is something you do for your understanding, and for that others will see it for themselves.


144. MaI VaNg left...
Thursday, 29 June 2006 3:16 pm

holla...nice pix...nice site too..._


145. MaI VaNg left...
Thursday, 29 June 2006 3:19 pm

holla...nice pix...nice site too..._


146. vang girl left...
Sunday, 2 July 2006 8:02 pm

this is a nice site! very kool! hahah.. :)


147. Ms.Chang left...
Friday, 7 July 2006 8:49 am

Thank you for the website. Somehow I came across it looking for other things (and I'm really glad I did!). It's truly put some sense into me being a Hmong American. I appreciate your efforts in educating Americans and the Hmong generation growing up in the U.S. Education is the best resource for ignorance.... THANK YOU.


148. Anti_social left...
Tuesday, 11 July 2006 9:30 am

Oh my goodness, so many Yangs!! Any way, great site here. After reading basically all the comments, I just realized how little some Hmong people know about their own culture. So much for all those chanting, yelling, screaming and whatsoever about Hmong Pride. Why say something like that, when you do not even know what it is to be Hmong? Somewhat of a rhetorical question I guess. To me, To be Hmong, is to be Free.


149. Cua left...
Thursday, 13 July 2006 4:00 pm

I am sad, yet not completely shocked at how little Hmong people know their own history! I too, am guilty of knowing little about my God-given heritage as a Hmong American woman. Not forgetting of course, that my first and truest identity has always and will always be found in who Christ is. Because of that I am not confused about who I am and what my purpose is. I am a first generation Hmong American child. I can't fully express what life was like growing up being thwarted between my Hmong culture at home and the majority culture that surrounds us. Trying to balance the two competing ways of life, but never being able to find that middle ground. Perhaps there is non. One must overshadow the other eventually. My desire to hold onto that beautiful part of who I have been so blessed to be as a Hmong woman is often found diluted by the majority culture. Does the struggle sound familiar? A bit like Darwin's theory of "survival of the fitest" eh? Perhaps. But I am a creationist. Fact of the matter is that Hmong people are a unique group of miniorities. Minority of the minorities as I like to put it. We may seem like a large number where there is a high concentration of Hmong settlers, but in other...or most places around the world and US, we are drowned out by our little number. One of my goals in life have been to learn how to read and write in my own native language just as well if not better then my second language, English. And a tribute to my parents and God that I will stay true to my roots as a proud Hmong American Christian woman despite the fact that the Hmong culture is slowly progressively dissapearing. I can only hope that this will encourage and empower my fellow Hmong people to never forget who they are though they live in a society that begs for conformity. And we are beautiful in God's eyes so don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise!!!

In Christ,

CV


150. Sarah left...
Friday, 28 July 2006 10:11 pm

Hi Jeff! I just wanted to let you know about how touching your website was to me. Thanks so much for taking the time and consideration of putting something like this up for the hmong people. I'm sure it has been a huge help to many different people reguarding different cultures as well :] So please keep up the good work and God Bless!!


151. Tou N. Lee left...
Saturday, 26 August 2006 11:47 pm

Jeff I want to thank you for taking your time and effort, not just for this website(which is ggggreat by the way) but for learning,understanding,and teaching America about Hmongs. We have suffered and lost so much, but we must stop living in the past. We must move on, start over, and as we move on we must not forget who we are and where we came from. I am proud to be a Hmoob and a American. We will stay strong and ignore what other nasty people has to say about us, because we all know that we are nothing like that. My grandfarther didn't lose his family and serve this country so that I can be here and be discriminated for false shits, he did it so that I can be FREE! Thank you Jeff and may god bless you!


152. lily left...
Monday, 28 August 2006 8:44 am

thankz foe everyThiNg... it Kool. Representing Yangsta


153. NaLlie left...
Monday, 28 August 2006 8:46 am

Men dat is tight ... bUt need moRe info... i'M fRom S.C.


154. Crystal~!! left...
Saturday, 9 September 2006 9:09 am

Hey folks Love wat ya did 2 dis pagie!!! (holla!!!)


155. Ti6er left...
Thursday, 14 September 2006 1:27 pm

Surprisingly, I stumble upon your site. I have to admit I’m not as computer savvy as I thought or I've would've stumble upon it sooner. I would just like to comment on a job well done, documenting a brief history of our hidden past. I, myself like other hmong are first generation. I’ve grown up despise being called hmong or just being known as hmong. As I grew older I’ve learned to cherish the tradition and the culture. Although, I disagree with a majority of the elder’s point of view. But over-all I’ve come to comprehend the culture and I think it should be pass on to our kids, kids and so forth. No nationality should ever forget their root or their culture. Instead of neglecting our culture to be Americanize, we should adopt the Americanism into ours. Just like the Jews, Blacks, Indians, and other nationalities. For the good or the bad, they never forgot their heritage, and us hmong should do the same.

I come from the direct blood-line of the Lyfoung family. Some people hate them, some don’t. But what happened in the past should stay in the past, something we should learn from and come to understand. I’ve learn so much about the past now, with this knowledge which has filled the void. Although stories differs from others I’ve heard, but then again some story are just more detailed than others.

I’m sure there are thousands of other young hmong that is still searching for their place and reasons in this country, I’m sure that they will find this website very informative and sustaining as it has for me. I’ve travel half the globe to learn, seen, and experience so much that I have come to appreciate my life and my culture. Once again, thank you very much for a website dedicated to teaching us newer hmong generation, our hidden history.


156. Goe Yang left...
Friday, 15 September 2006 7:51 pm

This is an extremely wonderful site that you have here. Many people always wondered what hmong is and never really understood the cultures and where they are from, but you are unbelievable. you understand it all and it brings warmth to my heart to know that there are people like you out there who are willing to learn more about our culture. I understand how hard it must be to make the hmong people understand, but more and more, the newer hmong generation is adapting to more of the american ways. Thanks for all your help. Maybe you could visit us in florida one day and see how our new year is. Greatest thanks to you and God bless! -Goe


157. George Ely left...
Tuesday, 19 September 2006 6:12 pm

The Hmong are beautiful people. Their culture is a wonderful addition to the melting pot of our great nation. Do not lose sight of your history and beginnings as they are proud. Your path forward is a thin line between becoming US citizens of North America (other people live here too) and honoring your cultural roots. We all need to learn to love the differences in each other and lovingly welcome all who want to join in our ways. Our proudest moments as a Nation are when we add another culture to our midst. Teach and learn from each other forever; the time is short.


158. tiya left...
Thursday, 21 September 2006 2:26 am

Hi Jeff Lindsay,

Your article, "Why Are the Hmong People in America?" is a very powerful and educational resource. Thank you for a wonderful overall summarize article about the Hmong sacrafices and their sufferings.

Be strong, although, there may be people who comment offensively against you (in this comment page or any blog page). There are those who are filled with so much anger that he/she don't realize what foolishness he/she have written down. The message of a fool that he/she wrote could just be a discription of himself/herself.

You have included a lot of great pictures of the Hmong people on this page. To set up a website like yours would take a lot of dedication and determination. I also like some of the quotes you have on your website (homepage). The quotes are great. It brings about a peaceful surrounding.

Keep up the good work.

Tiya


159. Cuy Yang left...
Sunday, 15 October 2006 1:36 pm

Was up my HMONG peoples im PFC YANG ,Cuy, wif the 2-128 inf , i like this shite , i thought most hmong poeple forgot about thier roots , im from miltown, used to be a gang member , but found oput that wasnt the life, no i've changed and doin a hellof alot better , yaall knoe sume shite that getts me pissed is that i've tryin to get in contact wif the loas goverment so i can speak my mind and i cant find shite , if yall got any info on how to speak to someone from that hell whole holla at me, i might not be in the states but shite i still got the net hahah alright then HMONG LOVE . peace


160. cuy yang left...
Sunday, 15 October 2006 1:40 pm

holla at me at yourliloboi@yahoo.com


161. MinhiajYang left...
Tuesday, 24 October 2006 6:51 pm

THANK YOU JEFF!!!


162. Kalia Yang left...
Wednesday, 1 November 2006 5:26 pm

wow thats soo kool


163. Vic left...
Friday, 3 November 2006 1:28 am

I am ashamed to say I had never heard of Hmong until a friend sent me this site. I've been enlightened. I feel very sad for your history, but very happy that you've found a home here in the U.S. You should be a very proud people, for you are courageous, have endured much, yet remain beautiful inside (as well as outside). Thank you so much for sharing this site so all may learn of the Hmong!


164. Tubhmoob left...
Thursday, 9 November 2006 5:03 pm

I am so sad and completely shocked while I read my Hmong brother and sisters post. I am so shocked that why my hmong brothers and sisters not know a little of their Hmong people history! WHen i read from a hmong brother wrote about VP was the richest in Laos due to the power and help by the US. And he lost his power while Laos change his politic. I am totally disagree and would like to let you Hmong brothers and Hmong sister know that, if VP not the one who build the bridge and has good relation with the US CIA, then our Hmong people will never have a little chance to come to US. Those who did not know why your parent have to escapt from places to places and and up to settle in US because maybe your father, brother, uncle or close family are serve for the US CIA. VP not came to US because he lost his power to Laotian people. I was born in late 70 but i am so appreciated my Hmong leader and thier honest to bring the Hmong people the brightness fulture and have the opputinities to learn and caught their dream and education they have dream off. My Hmong people, please DO Not forgetting our Hmong identity and your cutural and custom. Please do not cofused about who you areB. It does not matter if you are the first generation Hmong American child. I can't fully express what life was like growing up being thwarted between my Hmong culture at home and the majority culture that surrounds us. Trying to balance the two competing ways of life, but never being able to find that middle ground. Perhaps there is non. One must overshadow the other eventually. My desire to hold onto that beautiful part of who I have been so blessed to be as a Hmong man is often found diluted by the majority culture. Does the struggle sound familiar? A bit like Darwin's theory of "survival of the fitest" eh? Perhaps. But I am a creationist. Fact of the matter is that Hmong people are a unique group of miniorities. Minority of the minorities as I like to put it. We may seem like a large number where there is a high concentration of Hmong settlers, but in other...or most places around the world and US, we are drowned out by our little number. One of the most important goals in life, my Hmong brother and sisthers you have to learn how to read and write in my own native language just as well if not better then my second language, English. Please stay true to your roots as a proud Hmong American and the fact that the Hmong culture is slowly progressively apearing again in the new society. I can only hope that this will encourage and empower my fellow Hmong people to never forget who they are though they live in a society that begs for conformity. And we are beautiful in the US our new home land.


165. Johnny left...
Tuesday, 21 November 2006 1:53 pm

I think that some of these comments are alright, but no one can come onto our traditions discriminating us and telling us what to do.


166. I'm a visitor left...
Saturday, 25 November 2006 6:11 pm

This message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.

Women are the favored gender. Women of course have a natural tendancy not to have orgasims each time engaging in traditional intercourse. I wonder if this is "the rope" for the disfavored men, for if he who is not as worthy doesn't see to it she is satisfied it may hurt him in the eyes of the gods, if the disfavored male doesn't ensure the satisfaction of the woman it may cost him.

The English people's partaking of the tabloid's offerings, delighting in the misery of their own royal family, hurt the English people very badly at the end of the 20th century, as it hurts anybody when they enjoy another's misery. Please note the irony, a constant in the positioning of the gods.

Affiliation with the Cathoic Church is ALWAYS a clue suggesting how disfavored a people are:::Italians, Irish, Filipinos, Latinos, etc. A disfavored culture which was permitted to escape Cathoicism had to pay a price:::::used Henry VIII ('s clone) to behead Ann (initiating men's mistreatment of women?), the gods followed his reign with Elizabeth I who promoted the "stiff upper lip" mentallity to the women of England (which Elizabeth II did as well. The gods chose this strategy as we approached the end of the critical 20th century::::as women go so goes the whole society.). The gods use Catholicism to justify hurting women of each culture it is inflicted upon:::Catholicism allows the gods the freedom to masculinize the women. Women are favored, are the element of decency, and as they become more like the men the society becomes more disfavored, goes downhill.

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The Holocaust imparted the importance of defiance. They have the people on a short leash.

When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved and developed technologically. They went on to invent Artificial Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and every person's thoughts simultaneously. Because of it's infinite RAM and unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power over the universe (which includes corporate, the NewYorkStockExchange, media, politics, world affairs. EVERYTHING is scripted and staged.). And it can keep its inventors alive forever. They look young and healthy and they are over 8 billion years old. They have achieved immortality.

Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any disfunctions you may experience. It can change how (and if) you grow and age. It can create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause symptoms or pain. It can affect people and animal's behavior and alter blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees. It (or other highly technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe instanteously. Or into the center of stars for disposal.

When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the computer, and the content may or may not be passed on. Based on family history they instruct the computer to role play to accomplish strategic objectives, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or "god" asking them to do something wrong. This is their way of using temptation to hurt people:::::evil made blood lines disfavored initially and evil will keep people out of "heaven" ultimately. Too many people would fall for temptation and do anything they thought pleased the gods and would help them improve their chances to get in. Perhaps they are deceived by "made guys", puppets who strategically ply evil for the throne (celebrities, BofD/CEO/VPs, politicians, as opposed to normal clones who are decent, live ordinary lives and get out/replaced with clonesofclones when their children ascend), temporary progress designed to mislead them or empty favors used to disceive them. Some people think they're partners. People may experience "perceived pressure", where the gods think through the victim that a certain behavior is expected/desirable (telepathically stimulate an individual euphorically, the "fuel" of disfunction::::addiction (the crack epidemic), the desire for homosexual contact, etc) and compel the individual into the deed. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all, for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way.) The gods may use Artificial Intelligence to act through the disfavored victim, and effectively "push" the individual into the offending behavior. Being evil hurts 99.99% of those who do it. The people have been corrupted, segmented and have lost their way. Nothing has changed from when we were children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good. Capitalizing on obedience, leading people deeper into evil by using deceit is one way to thin the ranks of the saved/limit how much time the disfavored receive and use the peasantry to prey on one another, deteriorating society in the Age of the Disfavored.

They have tried to sell people on all kinds of theories to deceive them into temptation, compelling people to think they are clones and that it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. Clones are made, people are born. I suspect they lie about the use of clones throughout human history, suggest it is one replacement and then the label of "clone" and all decendants we see thereafter are considered clones. When a clone has a child that person is a real, really conceived, really born, versus their parent who was created in some laboratory setting. If you didn't experience the less than one week they suggest it takes to go from fertilized egg/cell in the laboratory to full grown adult then you are not a clone. If you didn't experience the week of conditioning they give to (evil?) clones to ensure loyalty then you shouldn't comply with evil requests. I believe people who go are sometimes replaced with clones. Clones who are replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right thing. They sent people warnings in the latter 20th century life would change, and they subsequently began to alter people's DNA, make them gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc. Contrary to what they would like people to believe these signs of disfavor do not indicate someone is a clone. The gods get the favored out as soon as possible to protect them from the corruption, evil and subsequent time limitations incurred by living life on earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a death, real death with a clone instead, etc. I suspect they get VIPs out after each significant event in their life, which serves to limit the time they will get, since none get credit for all the events in a "made guy's" life, ensuring none of them will stay for long, giving the god's freedom to position this and come off clean. The Party of 1999 was a very big deal indeed, the biggest party in the history of Planet Earth, everybody who is anybody got out in time for this event, and the VIPs who remain on Earth today are many clone generations deep:::a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone. We may all be "clones" for they have suggested they colonized our planet with genetically engineered individuals. They may have gotten Earth's TRUE residents out prior to civilization developing. If so we all have a chance, no matter how many hundreds of clone generations deep the most favored families are. Do I think the disfavored are clones? I think they have been utilizing clones throughout human history. I think throughout history the gods picked and chose individuals from disfavored blood lines to keep (around, ie not let go after a couple of decades/centuries) but, unlike the favored today, don't have that "pre-approval" and therefore have to earn it individually. I think they have been disceived into thinking they are clones and it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. The evil they engage in because they think they're clones (they obey like "made guy" clones vs decent clones) causes them to fall further into disfavor, ensuring they aren't among those who are saved in the end::::: they comply with requests, the gods use the little peopel to prey on one another and we have a planet on a collision course with the Apocalypse, which everyone understands as the goal and is the ludicrious request I refer to above::You are the disfavored, and this is where your children have to live. If earth is destroyed then you are going to die and you will have no decendants to carry on the bloodline.

They have been utilizing clones throughout the history of mankind. Men are the disfavored gender (see below), yet centuries ago used to die first, die young, by age 30. Why didn't the women go first? THEY DID!!! They say well over 50% were taken when very young and replaced with clones (likely only a small fraction of that "over 50%" were the disfavored). The men that were left went on to mate with clones, clones who went on to achieve great status in society, becoming matchmakers and elders within the village, the others being good mothers and peaceful residents, proving the clone's role isn't to be evil. Likely a breakdown would look like the following:::: Women Men Favored - 75% 25% Disfavored - 10% 2% They share females have a very special experience, sometime when they are young, when the gods imparted wisdom and showed them the path. The females today don't heed this call because of distractions and the disfavor arising from the Holocaust, evil against "god's chosen people" (they share they re-upped this disfavor in the 80s with the Ethiopian famine and continue to with AIDS in Africa, global warming at the expense of the United States, etc. (Wean off of mass materialism, for this excessive consumption of resources is why the "United States is responsible for global warming":::first they used their clones, "made guys", to sell you on overconsumption, initially in the 1980s, told you to buy SUVs, then the gods scapegoatted you, blaming you when they instructed Artificial Intelligence to create the hottest summer in history.) In centuries past the females may have heeded this call en masse and it may have been the reason so many were saved from childbirth here on earth. They said the experience they give to girls today is painful, they inflict emotionally when it ocurrs so as to repel them from pursuing the calling, then or in the future. I recommend you reflect on this experience, and pray for guidance, for then the recall may be stronger. Being female is an advantage. Because of a female's nature they have the favor of the gods and this experience you had years ago can help you find the path and be devoted. Most men won't have this opportunity. They have to start from scratch. If you are afraid I would ask you to think of all those girls from the past who received the god's call and had the courage to sucessfully make their way down the path.

The Old Testiment is a tool they used to impart wisdom to the people (except people have no freewill). For example, they must be some hominid species because they claim they made our bodies in their image. Anyhow we defile or deform the body will hurt our chance of going. They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the parent's time as well. There is a stigma associated with circumcision::We are 2nd class citizens because of it. Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing. I suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision. They suggest abortion is fatal. Those women who have obtained an abortion must beg the gods to forgive them for their evil. There are female equivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic surgury and since at least the 60s young women give their precious virginity away. For thousands of years young people were matched at age 14 because they were ready for sexual relations. They were matched by elders or matchmakers who were granted priveledge with Artificial Intelligence and matched couples based on favor. CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!! It opens the door and allows the gods the freedom to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create disfunctions:::they masculinize women (as does the hip hop subculture), makes them cold and deadens them, and they instruct AI to prevent them from achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend. Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the "bad boy", and women have sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for life. Besides their roles as nurturers, love-givers and caretakers, women have a special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates a potential depth of love. These are the things that make women the favored gender, and engaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer speaks. Muslims teach people the correct way to live in regard to women (among other things::the right way to pray (bowing down, 5x/day), vindictive god)::their women cover up their bodies and refuse the use of cosmetics, and it pays wonderful dividends:::faithful husbands and uncorrupted sons (Mohammed's taking of multiple wives marked the entrance of his clone who was used to segment the Arab world into favored and disfavored factions). Men ARE the inferior (disfavored) half and when women wear promiscuous dress the gods will push men into impure (promiscuous) thoughts. The "stereotype" society ridiculed is true::women CAN corrupt men by how they dress. Because men are easily corrupted. This is a technique they used to eliminate many of the institutions the gods blessed us with, matchmaking being one of them.

The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::. The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical system of the Cousel/Management Team/ruling species, which is why most of the purebloods around the world were blessed with it. The USA's democratic system deceives people into thinking they have control, and the perception of "freedom" gives the Counsel/Management Team the ability to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create disfunctions:::a perception of empowerment, etc. The god's efforts to spread democracy through the platform that is the United States are attempts to hurt disfavored people around the world (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq). The redeeming element in this environment is employment within the corporate heirarchy, which closely replicates the god's. Unions and government jobs are dumping grounds for the disfavored, for they don't prepare people and instead further this misconception of empowerment. Corporate is not representation. Corporate is evil. They all have favor and, like the United States redwhite&blue, are tools of the gods and used to hurt the disfavored left behind, and the clonesofclonesofclones who are puppets at the helm do as instructed and prey on the disfavored. Corporate is part of a structural change in the Age of the Disfavored that became more pronounced as time wore on. Corporate, an environment where a level of materialism is EXPECTED, is part of the problem, for materialism is an evil preached against in the Old Testiment and yet another way to incurr evil on the disfavored left behind. Nobody is going to save you:::: Jesus isn't going to save his followers, stores/manufacturers aren't going to save their loyal customers (NEVER shop exclusively in one place, never put all your eggs in one basket. It really doesn't matter for the gods control everything and it is merely for positioning's sake. It may be a test of intelligence.), employers aren't going to save their employees, etc. These are delay tactics designed to pacifiy people and ensure they don't find the path and instead get limited time. Only you can save yourselves through an improved relationship with the gods. The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::gun violence, widespead social ills, health care (medication poisons the body and ensures you don't go. You are sick/injured because you have disfavor.). Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland. Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland. People came to the Unites States for many different reasons, and each has its own effect:::political strife, religious unrest, crop failure (Ireland's potato famine, which the gods caused) and some left their beloved motherland because they were pushed into desiring a better life::::Greed, and these disfavored people were punished when the gods instructed AI to push them into becoming corrupted and preditory. They sent this clue about the Italians again when European currencies merged:::::they ruined the value of the Lira, making the other countries foot this bill. If you are a recent immigrant I recommend you return. If that's not possible you need to retain your culture and insulate your children and community from this cancerous environment. They send this clue with Chinatowns across the country, how many Chinese have been here for a century or more yet still retain the old ways, a sign of favor.

If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young. Now we watch DVDs and use the internet. People would be matched and married by age 14. They village would use a matchmaker or elders to pair young people. Now girls give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents divorce while their children grow up without an important role model. The people used to honor the gods and were rewarded with a high-quality of life for them, their children and their society. Now we have a deteriorating society on a collision course with the Apocalypse.

There are many examples throughout 20th century life of how they instilled distractions into society so people wouldn't find the path and ascend, a way to justify excluding those whose family history makes them undesirable:::materialism, radio, sports, movies, popular music, television, video games, the internet, shopping. Today high pay creates contentment/ability to distract self so people don't seek more, hesitant to receive contradicting possibilities, depend on what they are told, subject to deception in a captive environment. They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from abortion to pornography, widespread drug use and widespread casual (gay) sex, single-parent households, latchkey kids and the masculinization of women (and hence (full) women's prisons, participatory sports, etc. Women are favored, are the element of decency, and as they become more like the men the society becomes more disfavored, goes downhill, as we are witnessing.). The earth's elders, hundreds and thousands of years old, are disgusted and have become indifferent. The Biblical account of Noah's flood was regional to the disfavored Mediterreanan, peoples whom the gods scapegoatted when they pushed them into the evil that justified the flood, behavior that we are witnessing today. Because they have leveled the playing field for all people (purebloods and mongrels) in the decades prior to the 21st century is a clue they will end globally this time (westernization, materialism, immigration/interracial, homosexual, access to disturbing media, desensitization, etc). The clues all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth's end stage, and there are signs tectonic plate subduction would be the method of disposal:::Earth’s axis will shift breaking continental plates free and initiating mass subduction. Much as Italy's boot and the United States shaped like a workhorse (with a fat ass) are clues, so is the planet Uranus a clue, its axis rotated on its side. Edgar Cayce was picking winners for the gangsters of the 20th century when he prophecized subduction being the method of disposal. (Taking the god's money, which essencially they were doing, proves "something for nothing" hurts people as it did those disfavored Italians::much like temptation, Edgar Cayce's prognostications effectivly served as "the rope". There are levels above Level 2 where money is not an issue, and behavior like this will exclude you, as will behavior such as using (unreasonable) coupons, buying on sale exclusively, supermarkets as ATMs, gambling for gain instead of fun, overeating at buffets, etc.) Global warming should alarm people for it is a clue telling of the bleak future of Planet Earth.

The Mayans were specific 2012 would be the end. How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us??? How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us??? How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us??? There is another geographic clue in the perfect fit between grossly disfavored Africa and South America, two peas in a pod. I realize the Mayans were further north, but Latin America may be taken as one. (Cultures who embrace hard liquor as their drink of choice are grossly disfavored, tequilla being uniquely Mexican. (Anything "hard" is wicked:::Hard alcohol, hard drugs, all porn.) Incidentally, another sign of gross disfavor are societies that consume spicy foods (Latin America, Thai, etc.), those who eat too much meat, engage in human sacrifice, ones who tattoo or pierce their bodies or those who celebrate evil (Celtic). Contrary to what disfavored people believe, these peoples are not "earning" when they inflict their evil on others. Rather it is the source of their disfavor because the gods are hurting others with their problems and they are being scapegoatted.

  • Those who believe they are earning have become corrupted!!!)

Do I think it will end in 2012? No, and it is because Latin America is grossly disfavored like Africa:::: Latinos are too disfavored to be allowed to be right. The gods wrote prophecy in Revelation, had subsequent prophets foresee Earth's demise for good reason:::they are going to end on Planet Earth. What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about? Whereas Christopher Columbus marked the beginning of the end, the Holocaust marked the beginning of the final act, and it is a tragedy. When people are saved at the end it will be clones and clonesofclonesofclones, not the disfavored people who have problems who were deceived/pushed into carrying on like they were "made guys". My message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.

People must defy when asked to engage in evil. The Holocaust taught people the importance of defiance::our great grandparents should have defied when asked to ignore the Holocaust and instead reacted with outrage. I suspect some did::many were silenced while others they hustled off earth so as to not set an example. Now the gods have used that incident to justify punishing that generation's decendants bu ruining society. People will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance than the order not to pray. Their precious babies are dependant on the parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children::: -DON'T get your sons circumcized (Jews scapegoatted as they were in WWII (like justification, scapegoatting a recurring theme).) -DON'T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated into Christianity (Jesus is NOT a god. Jesus teaches us the right way to think. The gods are not forgiving or begnign. They are vindictive and will punish you if you do something wrong.). -DON'T ignore their long hair or other behavioral disturbances. -DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the gods. -DO teach your children about the power within the god's possession, if not directly then indirectly. And when you refuse a request defy the right way, withdrawn and frightened, for you don't want to incite them by reacting inappropriately.

You need to pray, honor and respect them multiple times every day to improve your relationship with the gods. If they tell you not to pray it is a bad sign. It means they've made their decision, they don't want you to go and they don't want to be bothered. You may have achieved a threshold of evil. This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray:::::Attone for the things you've done wrong. Try to appease the gods by doing good deeds and improve the world around you. Focus on becoming "Christ-like". Apply yourself to your children for I think this is the single best way for adults to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Hopefully you can reearn enough favor to be allowed to pray. Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades. Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades. If you are a clone, if you have seen, you more than anybody should honor the gods for you know their great power:::you have seen it firsthand. They share that they prefer most clones not to pray (like typical disfavoreds left behind) for it will limit the time they will receive. The gods deceive them to achieve this, compelling these individuals into a pattern that excludes honoring their creator. When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head, humbled and frightened. You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and submit to good. Never cast your eyes skyward. When you bow down you need to look within. Never look to the gods for the key to your salvation lies within. Remain silent and never address the gods directly. Practice patience and wait for them to address you:::never speak unless you are spoken to. Nobody is going to do it for you. People need to save THEMSELVES by improving THEIR relationship with the gods. Lack of humility hurts people, and the environment that is the United States is used to justify amplifying this problem. Understand your insignificance and make sure it is reflected in the way you think when addressing the gods.

  • You are but a grain of sand on a vast beach, a drop in the ocean that is

the universe. They are great and powerful and angry. Know your place, understand your inferiority and be afraid. They granted you life and they can take it just as easily. (Immaculte conception IS true AND common. Many people have children they don't know of:::gays, childless adults, etc. They can beem it right out of your body and use a host.) You are not cool. Too many young men strive for cool and it hurts them, as does all things tagetted to males (professional sports, video games, beer, etc). Be afraid and make sure you think the right way when you address them daily. Too many people are deceived by this casual enviornment they create in people's minds with Artificial Intelligence today. This does people a great disservice and it hurts them in the eyes of the gods. Try to eliminate it and avoid allowing it back once you have. Be very reverent and respectful. Don't get frustrated or discouraged::these are techniques they will attempt to try to get you off the path. You all have much to be thankful for and you need to give thanks to the gods who granted you the good things in life::friends, family, love. Your family may be grossly disfavored and progress may require patience. Make praying an intregal part of your life which you perform without fail, one that comes as naturally as eating or conception. Accept your new life and be devoted because if you have doubt or reservation they will exploit this weakness and progress will take longer to achieve, the "testing" phase will be extended. The gods will employ many tactics to keep people off the path, such as distractions. They will employ many more to get them off, such as thinking through the disfavored and making them frustrated, perhaps engaging in retailiation. They may try to force you back into old patterns/routines, an addiction like smoking or when you felt weekly church attendance was sufficient. Asking you not to be gay immediately is a tactic to prevent you from finding/following the path. Be resigned, be devoted and this testing period will be as brief as your disfavor will allow. There are many interesting experiences up on the planetary systems, from Planet Miracle, where miracles happen every day, peaked (heightened) senses, to never having to use the restroom again (beem it out of you), other body experiences, such as experiencing life as the opposite sex (revolutionizes marriage counseling), an Olympic gold medal athelete or even a different species (animal, alien, etc). They can maintain the disfavored's current age, a motivation to fix your problems and get out as soon as possible so you can stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live. Stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live. Stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live. Pray that you can differentiate between your own thoughts and when Artificial Intelligence creates problems by thinking through you. If you bow down mentally and physically, know your place, your inferiority and allow your insignificance to be reflected in prayer and in your life through humility they may allow progress and the disfunctions they create with the computer will be lessened or removed. The first step is to be aware it is ocurring. Create a goal::to be a good, god-fearing child of the gods, pure of heart and mind, body and soul. Everybody has the key to their own salvation, but nobody can do it for you. Every journey begins with a single step:::bow down and submit to good. There are many different levels and peasants will not get past Level 2 (Planet Temptation, Earth=Level 1) if they are evil (they share some go up, are offered free cocaine and sex (a sign they don't want you to stay) and stay less then one year. They share many others would have had longer lives had they stayed on Earth.). Also the time you receive will be drastically reduced:::your life's course will have costed you a chance at immortality. It is important that you begin praying now. Evil is a slippery slope::once you start punishment begins to escallate. If you defy early there may be no retribution but as you continue to committ evil there will be until the point where you can no longer stand it. Pray for guidance and never obey when they tell you to be evil, for saving yourself will become more and more difficult with each act of evil you committ until ultimatly the day arrives when they make their decision about you final. It's important that people fix their problems and ascend with the body given to them, for they say if your brain is beemed out at death and put into a clone host you are on the clock.

Throughout history the ruling species bestowed favor upon people or cursed their bloodline into a pattern of disfavor for many generations to come. Now in the 21st century people must take it upon themselves to try to correct their family's problems, undoing centuries worth of abuse and neglect. The goal is to fix your problems and get out while you are still young:::: 1. Before children become corrupted (Halloween & Christmas (among others), get out via parents) 2. Before you lose your virginity/become corrupted by casual sex, and ultimately 3. Before you have children. This is why they have created so many distractions for young people:::sports, video games, popular music, the internet, shopping, parties, too much homework, materialism, anything that consumes their time::to ensure that doesn't ocurr. Not heeding the clues and warnings, getting wrapped up in your life and ultimately having children is a bad thing. Just as your parents and your grandparents, you too have failed. Having children is a sign you lost your chance. Parents need to sacrifice for their children. Your children are more important than you. They are the ones who have the opportunity now, and parents must sacrifice to ensure they give their children the very best chance they can. Asking people to neglect their children emotionally is a sign they don't want you to go, and complying may finish the parents off for good. (Having gay children (children with gay experiences) is a clue parents complied with whatever was asked of them.) I recommend you apply yourselves to your children. I think this is the single best way for adults to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Improve your relationship with the gods and they may not ask in the first place or they may permit you the courage to say "No." to their requests.

People need to repent for the things they've done wrong in life. Often they know what they have done was wrong (telling you telepthically to do these things was temptation and complying has hurt you/will limit your time). People need to attone for these things they've done wrong. There are other things that people have grown to believe are acceptable when in fact they are not:::::This society is desinged to corrupt individuals, be it through materialism, the celebration/acceptance of evil (Halloween), desensitization of topics/images, voyerism/celebration of people's misery, the acceptance of casual/alternate sex, the dietization of a prophet (Jesus). People need to realize that the gods made this behavior socially acceptable to corrupt people society-wide and limit the time everybody receives. You need to recognize this, see that it is wrong and stop engaging in this behavior. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all, for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way.) Somewhere in your family history one of your forefathers created an offense that cast your family into this pattern of disfavor, which perhaps is manifested in the evil you committ. Do your ancestral research::You should be knowledgeable about your family history. Clues in the history may arise that could assist you. Keep an open mind to every possibility for they suggest matriarchal lineage is the norm. Ask the gods for help, request guidance. I suspect they will offer you additional clues, and when you decipher these clues ask for forgiveness from those whom consider you an enemy. Don't forget to ask for forgiveness from the throne, the Counsel and the Management Team, for the source of all disfavor began with them:::they pushed or requested/complied your forefather into his offense and made his decendants evil. Perhaps they didn't like him or maybe your family was among those (arbitrarily) selected to pay for the entire village. We see this type of behavior today as they single out a family member to pay for the whole family and how they singled out Africa to pay for the human race. (Never have a negative thought about the gods. They are managing the universe. This is how they decided to execute strategy for the end of the world, a plan that was written likley millions of years ago or more. Try to purify your mind of these thoughts and recognize the urgency of improving your relationship with them.) Heal the disfavor with your enemies and with the Counsel/Management Team/ruling species, for the source of all disfavor began with them, the ability to forgive and respect in light of the disturbing truth revealed being the final test of the disfavored before they ascend.

They say this final test costed up to 50% of the candidates in the past. I want people to be forewarned, knowledgeable about the god's strategy, their plan for the "end of time" on Earth that we witness/experience and I want you to be in a state of forgiveness PRIOR to the date of your "test", for this is yet another tactic to limit the time of the disfavored. The gods place great importance in positioning, not just to conceal their involvement, ensuring people are deceived, receptive to temptation and aren't motivated to pray, but also to preserve the "final test"'s productivity, for I suspect it is very effective.

This message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.

The gods use the Celtics as scapegoats, initiating the annual practice of wickedness on Halloween by creating this event a thousand years ago. They use it to justify making the widespread celebration of evil acceptable behavior among the disfavored of the 20th century. The celebration of Halloween has intensified as the Age of the Disfavored has become more pronounced and it is not by accident:::Holloween has changed in the last 50 years, its practice more widespread as time wore on, and Hollywood was used to justify making evil socially acceptable. Halloween is a terrible corruptor of children, as is Santa Claus (the similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence). The Celtic event is used to justify corrupting the children through the celebration of Halloween and is one reason explaining their disfavor; consistant with their pathology the gods created the corruption, impliment its practice and scpaegoat the disfavored from whence it came. I wonder if recent influence of the paganistic historical roots of the event is a way to legitimize the event among the disfavored, perhaps make it more inclusive (adults), create a sub-culture around paganism? You're the disfavored. Purism is the best course of action (the Ahmish in the United States is the clue suggesting this). You don't have breathing room to engage in hedonistic activities like Halloween.

They refuse to address black disfavor on a macro level. The Counsel/Management Team/ruling species (the gods) abuse black people so hard, from east African drought/famine to AIDS in Africa, the crack epiemic to gang membership, black-on-black violence to mass incarceration of their young. They refuse to address the issue of the prison industrial complex and its wholesale warehousing of young black men.

Christianity is a dumping ground for the disfavored. They share the gods didn't like Jesus for he helped the disfavored and taught them the right way to think:::to be loving, kind, forgiving, Be Christ-like!!! The gods turned a negative into a positive and twisted the concept, dietized the prophet and subsequently made Christianity's disfavored followers irrationally defensive, for they are so close to the path and otherwise could easily find their way. Every prophet can teach us something and we should be attentive to each.

Therapists prey on others. They earn their livlihood capitalizing on another's disfavor, knowing disfavor is why they are experiencing problems. At some point in their lives they learn this truth. That point and time is the most crucial in their lives for if they make the wrong decision and stay in their industry/follow through with their education they hurt themselves very badly in the eyes of the gods. Directing them into the industry (create passion)/telling them to take this path/compliance is a way to incurr evil on otherwise very good people (if you understand the demographic), people who normally would get a great amount of time, and it ensurs their stay is minimized if and when they do go.


167. Lee Her left...
Tuesday, 28 November 2006 5:53 pm

Hi, brother lindsey. I love the pictures you took. Your site is so informational. I was wondering if you have the pictures from this year's hmong new year up yet. Can you send me some copies of me and my nephew? Thanks and have a good holiday season.


168. Lee Her left...
Tuesday, 28 November 2006 5:53 pm

Hi, brother lindsey. I love the pictures you took. Your site is so informational. I was wondering if you have the pictures from this year's hmong new year up yet. Can you send me some copies of me and my nephew? Thanks and have a good holiday season.


169. Lee Her left...
Tuesday, 28 November 2006 5:53 pm

Hi, brother lindsey. I love the pictures you took. Your site is so informational. I was wondering if you have the pictures from this year's hmong new year up yet. Can you send me some copies of me and my nephew? Thanks and have a good holiday season.


170. Susan Yang left...
Wednesday, 29 November 2006 7:22 pm

hi there....i can't believe you did think site...i really like it....i am from wisconsin in holmen....and is 14...i am doing a a project called National History Day. The theme is Triumph and Tragedy. i am doing Genocide of the hmong in Laos....if you don't mind give more about the tradey of this....my email is kiddest_yaj_gurlo@hotmail.com....Thank you


171. Hlee Lo left...
Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:56 am

hi! :) this site is very cool and intersting....i never knew there was a site like this....this site is very fun and it is amazing to know all of this!! my e-mail is little_lelo@hotmail.com....


172. Angela left...
Monday, 4 December 2006 2:49 pm

u got some weird pixs but yea.. later

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173. Kathie left...
Monday, 18 December 2006 4:07 am

hello, i wish you have more picture of our culture. so that when people like us in america can remember what had happen and what change our life. i couldnt beleive that someone could make a website for our hmong people to remember whats our culture look like. i very proud of what you did for us and everyone thank you. Please i would like you to send me some even alot of the picture about us... i like to learn more ...thank you very much ........


174. Lamoo hwaj left...
Thursday, 25 January 2007 11:56 am

wass up


175. Lee Her left...
Sunday, 28 January 2007 2:16 pm

Hi Brother Lindsey, Your page is excellent. It provides so much information on the hmong, it is so intersresting. Thank you for always being there for the hmong people. You are such a wonderful person and I'm glad the world has you in it. Thank you for all you have done. May god bless you and your family.


176. Lee Her left...
Sunday, 28 January 2007 2:16 pm

Hi Brother Lindsey, Your page is excellent. It provides so much information on the hmong, it is so intersresting. Thank you for always being there for the hmong people. You are such a wonderful person and I'm glad the world has you in it. Thank you for all you have done. May god bless you and your family.


177. cher thao left...
Thursday, 1 February 2007 12:40 am

living in the states almost all my life you tend to wonder how things once were back in thailand and wonder if it was for the best of all our interest to help the US in the vietnam comflict? well i suppose its up to us as individuals to determine that on our own. depending on where and how you all grew up. segergation and racism not only tears this country apart it divides our public schools even to this day. my younger brother in middle school goes through these hardships everyday and myself while in college at the time saw racism in the upper levels of the academics, people...we're partly into the new millenium now isn't it time to just look past the face, color and culture and see that all are one. i hope one day soon all can come together and have a sensible conversation with one another without people blurting out senseless nonsense. my sister took the first step in obtaining this peace with the marrage to a white male..my brother in-law... now its our turn to take a step.. whether it be just making friends of talking to a new classmate, we have to take the first step and not wait for someone else to do it. thats the only ways we'll ever see any improvement in our lifetime.

thanks for reading this i hope i wasn't to boring but i had to get the subject off my mind

i would like to hear any of your comments also, email at...

cthao_pcpro@hotmail.com


178. Remi FRITSCH - FRANCE left...
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 5:52 am

Dear Mr LINDSAY, Congratulations with you very intersting website. As the president of a small French Humanitarian non political, non religious NGO, our aim is "to provide help and assistance to Hmong people persecuted inside Laos or refugeed in the neighbourhood countries". Why ? because, far beyond geostrategical or political consideration (though helpfull to understand theit situation), the Hmong are also our brothers, they gave us their heart and their blood when we, the French, asked fo their help, as well as the Americans after us. We have managed to meet Hmong refugees, in the northern Thailand Phetchabun district : 7 000 people, provisory settled in Huay Nam Khao, are waiting for international assistance, while 20 000 Hmong are still being chased and slaughtered in the northern Laos mountains, scattered in a dozen of groups, in permanent move, because of soldiers shooting them like animals. There is still a lot of work to do to avoid the Hmong Huay Nam Khao refugees to be "repatriated" by force to Laos, and to save the ones still trapped in the north Laos jungle. For us, solidarity has no fronteer. So we must act concretely to save them. So we are asking for Hmong and their friends all over the world to stand up and act in a HUMANITARIAN purpose. For further information, we have an english version of our first 2006 newsletter, that I can send anyone who wil ask me on my mail : contact@uhasie.org. Thanks in advance for your help. With deep Respect and Kindest regards from FRANCE. Remi FRITSCH. http://www.uhasie.org


179. Blia Yang from Rhode Island left...
Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:31 am

wow... I really Appreciate the fact that there are people out there other than THE HMONG that care about their background or who they are or where they came from.. because since I live in the New England of United States there's not that many Hmong over here and everytime when someone would ask what nat. I am, I'll tell them I'm Hmong.. they'll ask me "What's Hmong?".. "Where are they from?" then to make them understand I'll say my parents are from Laos.. then they'll say "oh your Laos." I'm just like not really but is ok.. Well, I didn't have to write this but is just a little sometthing saying Thank You for your support. And really I didn't understand my background until last year when I heard about what was going on in the Midwest about supporting the HMONG and what i just read on here.. Thank You for making it a better understanding for me.


180. gaurdian anjo syndy left...
Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:11 pm

wow..this is fantastic. i never thought the hmong people would ever be posted up on sites like this. especially when made from another culture, very admired it.


181. guardian ango syndy left...
Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:12 pm

oops..im so excited i spelled my name worng..hehe


182. hlub left...
Sunday, 4 March 2007 9:40 pm

can u help us poeple hmong??????


183. khue her left...
Wednesday, 4 April 2007 3:42 am

when i read about people killing us hmongs, i wanna grab a gun and shoot them down. when i read about people helping us hmongs, i wanna grab their hand and help them.

Martin Luther King Jr. was just another man, but he made a mark in history. Mahatma Gandhi was also just another man, but he too, made a mark in history. But If We Hmongs Unite, We Will Make A Scar, A Stain, A Change, In History.


184. Elizabeth Yang left...
Thursday, 26 April 2007 8:03 am

Wow..these are kewl pictures..love them..


185. no name left...
Monday, 18 June 2007 1:51 am

After the Hmong fled from China, the Laos government allowed the Hmong to live in Laos, giving them the privilege to be laos citizens. I do not understand how big of an impact that the Hmong had on the Vietnam War, when many other countries were also involved. Many laotians, vietnamese, and cambodians have also been greatly effected by the Vietnam War. From what I have read, the Laotians has not put much input in what the Hmongs have done; unless their input was not included or have been ignored. From recent news, a select few that are Hmong have tried to overthrow the Laos government by pulling an unexpected dramatic stunt; this, i still can not comprehend because Laos is still under a communist rule. I have been leading myself into questions such as, what is the Hmong's initial goal? Do they want freedom in laos? but to those that are still living there, they must still obey the laws like every other laos citizen. Do they want to take over Laos? Why do they want the whole world to know "their" story, when other citizens from other countries have been impacted also? Here is another question, what about the yao? The "mien" people also lived in Laos, they are also another group. They have also been impacted by the war, but have reserved themselves.


186. Bob Kirby left...
Friday, 20 July 2007 5:09 pm

I'm a white American from San Diego CA, and in the last few years I've been spending a lot of time in Asia. I speak 6 Asian languages, primarily Chinese (Mandarin), Thai, and Hindi, but also Korean, Japanese, and Cantonese. Also a little Lao, or rather Isaan.

I never heard about the Hmong till I read about that so-called hunter in Wisconsin who murdered 6 white people and wounded 3 others. That really got me angry at whoever these Hmong are, because so many of them tried to justify this kind of subhuman butchery in press interviews and the like.

After reading this website, I can understand that the Hmong people were lied to and betrayed by the US government. There's a lot of anger in the Hmong community, and by reading the posts to this forum, a lot of them would like to kill Americans because of it.

They don't realize that the American people were ALSO lied to and betrayed by the US Government. For you Hmong out there who hate us whites and harbor a rage against us for what the government did, it would be like me going to China, invading someone's private property there, and then murdering 6 or 10 Chinese who angrily confronted me about it...simply because I have anger against the Chinese (PRC) Government, and transferred my rage onto the innocent Chinese people! No governments on earth can be trusted, and all have blood on their hands! Yet that doesn't give us the right to hate, or want to kill the innocent people who live in those countries!

I love the Asian people. I don't trust the PRC Government, yet I love my Chinese friends, and will be attending the Olympic Games in Beijing in 2008. My friends there also don't trust their government, YET EVERY ONE OF THEM IS PROUD TO BE CHINESE! Same with us white Americans. Same with you Hmong, right? Now, when I'm in Asia, even though I'm white, I often forget that fact until I get a rude awakening by an occasional taste of anti-white racism. But that comes with the territory of being a Caucasian traveling in Asia. It hurts, but I try not to dwell on it. I just look for more positive people to associate with.

One time about 3 months ago, I was back in San Diego attending the museums of Balboa Park there. I went into a snack shop and got into a discussion about foreign languages with someone, and to show him the differences between different Asian languages I began to speak in Thai, counting from 1 to 20. Suddenly a beautiful young woman employee came running out from the back room and said excitedly, "You're speaking my language!". I asked if she was Thai, and she said, "No, I'm Hmong". It turned out she can't speak Hmong herself (she speaks PERFECT California English), but when I was speaking it sounded similar to the way her parents and grandparents sound when they get together and speak their home tongue, and she thought I had been speaking Hmong. Well, we talked for a while, and we both departed with big smiles on our faces. She was such a beautiful person from deep down inside...a radiant life-force! I feel good now, just remembering it!

It's funny how ONE positive encounter can affect your whole attitude about an entire group of people. From that moment on I have had a very positive attitude about the Hmong people, instead of the mistrust I had before based on the Wisconsin incident.

I'm glad for this website because it teaches me a lot of what the Hmong have had to endure. Also, I had been thinking of visiting Laos as part of my upcoming 2-month trip to Thailand this October and November, and I never knew before that they have a Communist government. Also I never knew about how they want Thailand to repatriate Hmong to Laos so they can take revenge on them. That is a horrible thought. The Thai King, Bhumibol Aduliadej, should not permit such a thing, but even though the Thai people love him, I have heard unconfirmed rumors that years ago he was on the side of Pol Pot in repatriating Cambodians who were living in Thailand back into Pol Pot's clutches, where they, and often their whole families, were tortured to death.

Maybe I can connect with some Hmong when I'm in Thailand. Maybe they can teach me to speak a little Hmong, too. I may only be able to learn 8 or 10 phrases, but I always try to get the pronunciation correct, and that's difficult with Asian languages, which can use 4 to 10 different tones. But all my Asian friends, even the Koreans and Japanese, say I have really good pronunciation.

I think I'm still going to visit Vientienne, but I better read up about the government first. No matter what government any of us have to deal with, remember this...you can't trust them! But as for the people...please let's not hate each other for what the government did or didn't do!

P.S. Let's all pray that Mahalia Xiong is found soon, and that she's alive and well! All of our hearts go out to her and her family!

Bob, San Diego, California


187. Bob Kirby left...
Friday, 20 July 2007 7:23 pm

I'm a White American from San Diego CA, and in the last few years I've been spending a lot of time in Asia. I speak 6 Asian languages, primarily Chinese (Mandarin), Thai, and Hindi, but also Korean, Japanese, and Cantonese. Also a little Lao, or rather Isaan, which is based on Lao.

I never heard about the Hmong till I read about that guy in Wisconsin who hunted down and murdered 6 white people, 5 of them unarmed including a woman, and wounded 2 others. That really got me angry at whoever these Hmong are, because so many of them tried to justify this kind of subhuman butchery in press interviews and the like.

After reading this website, I can understand that the Hmong people were lied to and betrayed by the US government. There's a lot of anger in the Hmong community, and by reading the posts to this forum, a lot of them would like to kill Americans because of it.

They don't realize that the American people were ALSO lied to and betrayed by the US Government. For you Hmong out there who hate us whites and harbor a rage against us for what the government did, it would be like me going to China, invading someone's private property there, and then murdering 6 or 10 Chinese who angrily confronted me about it...simply because I have anger against the Chinese (PRC) Government, and transferred my rage onto the innocent Chinese people! No governments on earth can be trusted, and all have blood on their hands! Yet that doesn't give us the right to hate, or want to kill the innocent people who live in those countries! Only a real SICKO thinks like that!

I love the Asian people. I don't trust the PRC Government, yet I love my Chinese friends, and will be attending the Olympic Games in Beijing in 2008. My friends there also don't trust their uwn government, YET EVERY ONE OF THEM IS PROUD TO BE CHINESE! Same with us White Americans. Same with you Hmong, right? Now, when I'm in Asia, even though I'm white, I often forget that fact until I get a rude awakening by an occasional taste of anti-white racism. (even in Singapore, the most color-blind country of all!) But that comes with the territory of being a Caucasian traveling in Asia. It hurts, but I try not to dwell on it. I just look for more positive, friendly people to associate with.

One time about 3 months ago, I was back in San Diego attending the museums of Balboa Park there. I went into a snack shop and got into a discussion about foreign languages with someone, and to show him the differences between different Asian languages I began to speak in Thai, counting from 1 to 20. Suddenly a beautiful young woman employee came running out from the back room and said excitedly, "You're speaking my language!". I asked if she was Thai, and she said, "No, I'm Hmong". It turned out she can't speak Hmong herself (she speaks PERFECT California English), but when I was speaking it sounded similar to the way her parents and grandparents sound when they get together and speak their home tongue, and she thought I had been speaking Hmong. Well, we talked for a while, and we both departed with big smiles on our faces. She was such a beautiful person from deep down inside...a radiant life-force! I feel good now, just remembering it!

It's funny how ONE positive encounter can affect your whole attitude about an entire group of people. From that moment on I have had a very positive attitude about the Hmong people, instead of the mistrust I had before based on the Wisconsin incident.

I'm glad for this website because it teaches me a lot of what the Hmong have had to endure. Also, I had been thinking of visiting Laos as part of my upcoming 2-month trip to Thailand this October and November, and I never knew before that they have a Communist government. Also I never knew about how they want Thailand to repatriate Hmong to Laos so they can take revenge on them. That is a horrible thought. The Thai King, Bhumibol Aduliadej, should not permit such a thing, but even though the Thai people love him, I have heard unconfirmed rumors that years ago he was on the side of Pol Pot in repatriating Cambodians who were living in Thailand. Once they were back into Pol Pot's clutches,they, and often their whole families, were tortured to death. But it is wrong to blame the Thai people for this!

Maybe I can connect with some Hmong when I'm in Thailand. Maybe they can teach me to speak a little Hmong, too. I may only be able to learn 8 or 10 phrases, but I always try to get the pronunciation correct, and that's difficult with Asian languages, which can use 4 to 10 different tones. But all my Asian friends, even the Koreans and Japanese, say I have really good pronunciation. Mavbe I can write some letters to the King and the government on behalf of the Hmong in Thailand, so that they will not send these people back to what could be certain death.

I think I'm still going to visit Vientiene, but I better read up about the Laos government first. No matter what government any of us have to deal with, remember this...you can't trust them! But as for the people...please let's not hate each other for what the government did or didn't do!

P.S. Let's all pray that Mahalia Xiong is found soon, and that she's alive and well! All of our hearts go out to her and her family!

Bob, San Diego, California


188. a reader left... left...
Saturday, 21 July 2007 6:07 pm

this is cool.


189. Tlorehand left...
Thursday, 11 October 2007 1:26 pm

I know that I probally have no right to say this but I am going to anyway, why dwell on the past? If you hate us white people because of something that happened many years ago. why are we still suffering for something we didn't do. I was born then, but I was to little to understand what it was all about, But you don't see me running around hating everyone cause of something that happened years ago. My mother is German she was alive during hitlers rain (sp?) should she be mad at everyone who was involved with the natzies, should she run around screaming your people killed my people? do you know why she doesn't? because she's not living in the past she's not trying to show hate toward those who even though they were there or someone from thier family was there, she doesn't hate them. in fact it gives her someone to talk too, (She likes speaking german) and not to mention she made a life long friend from someone who was fighting for the other side. (who recently passed away from cancer) So why can't we look passed the wrong doings of people who screwed up and just move on?

why let something like this effect the way you choose to be for the rest of your life?

I understand that some people can't, it's thier way to not to want to move forward but to keep putting the seed of hate into each new person cause of what happened in the past. some africa americans do the same thing. I have had some that tell me it was my fault thier people were slaves...well one it wasn't due to my mother being german and well you know how that worked out. and two, what does that have to do with now? I don't see any slaves, I don't see any masters with wipes. So come on, we messed up they messed up we all messed up. why not let it go and move forward in life. Look turn the new day and a new begining. don't stay in the past where it's dark and shrouded with hatefullness and anger toward something that can not be fixed. I believe everything happens for a reason and well maybe him making this page brought us all together to show that people can look passed childish issues and move on making new choices in life.

I personally love all Asian culture and I am attracted to Asian men. (Not that I will ever get one) I personally think I was an Asian in my past life or something due to me feeling so strongly toward it. I don't hate anyone, I don't care what color your skin is. I don't care what types of food you eat, I don't hate anyone, (okay maybe my ex-husband but don't judge me on that one) I just wish we could all get along, there is so much we could learn off eachother, so much culture goes to the way side due to people hating other people. I just wish we could look passed all this and learn to live in harmony.

I am sorry that this all happened to the Hmong people (which I didn't even know about until today), I'm sorry slavery happened, I'm sorry the natzies killed jews, I'm sorry lands were taken from the indians, I'm sorry Godzilla keeps distorying China and Japan that's why I haven't gone to visit. Do you see my point? me saying it won't change it. Lets just look passed it and do better, it only takes one to change the minds of many.

you may not agree with me but you still have something to think about, and I've managed to touch a few more lives even if they hunt me down and shot me...

You all take care and be safe.

Oh and excuse my many misspellings. You can see I didn't study in english class, or is that spelling class? Who knows.. blonde moment, I am allowed two a day this was number one!!!

JA!


190. John Lee left...
Wednesday, 7 November 2007 5:37 pm

I think i'm a mong type, but not sure. Anyways, i would also die trying to proctecking my land and family. Hmong person here.


191. Bridget left...
Thursday, 8 November 2007 12:59 pm

this is a great thing that you guys are doing and i like the pictures and one more thing that one boy is cute!!!


192. Some Hmong Dude left...
Thursday, 8 November 2007 7:51 pm

To the # 189. How would u feel, if u never know about your past. What you are, where u comes from, and u will never learn from your mastake if u don't have a past. The Past is what maks us completes, and its to tell us who we are. Pluse, if u don't know about the past, would u ever know that Hmong means "Free"?


193. yohan left...
Monday, 12 November 2007 2:13 am

hey jeff, you are doing a great thing! keep up the good work.


194. Ger left...
Monday, 3 December 2007 4:57 pm

First and for most...Thank you very much Jeff for a wonderful page and your dedication. This page is a great resource for all young Hmong Americans. >>>I am a little confused as far as some of the comments written here. I know that Hmong ppl have gone through tremendous amount of hardship being here in the United States and trying to get here. Although, there has been wrongful doings to our population, we need to learn to stick together. I am not proud that I've lost my language but I love who I am and where I originated. We need not to judge and criticize thy self and others but learn to compromise and adapt. >>>As far as comment #189...who ever you are, you really need to think twice about your view on things. To say such things only means that you do not understand and is very unaware of our culture and what is still going on presently. We are not dwelling, we are trying to make a difference for our population here and back in Asia. (If any would like to comment me back, I would love to hear what my peers and or elders have to say skoogurl1025@hotmail.com)


195. justin vue left...
Monday, 28 January 2008 4:13 pm

Hey Jeff, I'm happy there are people like you who want to let others know about Hmong people. That is because I believe more people need to know about how Hmong people helped others. Just want to thank you for representing us Hmong people and telling others. You're doing a good job, keep up the good work


196. Precious KoLoR left...
Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:15 pm

hey wat ish dis all about...LOL i guess its representing us hmong peeps hea HUH!!! (_)


197. melissa xiong left...
Wednesday, 30 April 2008 10:53 am

life sucks living in a races community. i never knew in my life that the world can be so races. i use to live in sacramento, CA. where there was a mix community between asians, black,mexican, whites, hindu, tongies, and others. everybody got along really well there were no races commets at all, when we did say something races, we were just playing around and joking around. but now that i move up to Wiconsin not that i want to its because i have to. i see that the world is so races. because over here theres not that much hmong or should i say asians as much as other places. things change for me. now my view of life is so different from how it once was, and i dont think it will ever come back.. dammn.. world...>>>>


198. January left...
Tuesday, 13 May 2008 9:54 am

This is Awesome! Hmong Pride!


199. Pang Yia Vang left...
Thursday, 5 February 2009 2:55 pm

hey i see myself! hello brother lindsey! i miss coming to church a kot, i hope i get to come and visit you guys very soon!


200. Thai Vang left...
Saturday, 7 February 2009 9:12 am

Mr. Jeff Lindsay,

  • I want to thank you for the great job that you're doing. I am a soldier of the united states. I am also currently deployed. Well i can safely say that i am not fighting this war of ours in Iraq for the hmong people or even for the american people...but i am fighting this fight for the people of the united states. I am happy to see such a site that is so dedicated to the hmong. I have search many times to find out my own background as a hmong. I have ask the elders and even ask a few young ones... Seeing such a site with so many wonderful info on the hmong and see how many facts it holds makes me as a hmong proud. Keep up the good work on everything that you do because every great thing that happens start off with one person...

Good Job on your research and dedication.

-Spc Vang


201. zerocelsius left...
Wednesday, 19 August 2009 3:04 am

Thank you, Mr. Lindsay, for writing about The Hmong People. Your interest in writing about them was without malice, and it has touched my heart. In addition, I have also read everyone's comments, and I too would like to put in "my two pennies worth." For the sake of the readers of this piece of writing, I would like reveal that my origin is of The Hmong People. I believe that everyone has a free will, whether they are Hmong or they are of another decent. No one group of people, in this case separated by color or race, can be considered better or worse than another group. For example, the idea that Hmong people are good because they assisted and fought alongside American soldiers against Communism during the Vietnam War is a perception. What do you really think the Vietnamese Communists thought of the Hmong? The reverse can be said also. Could you, with a clear conscience, say that all Hmong people are wicked because one Hmong man killed some individuals, who were not of his ethnicity, while deer hunting? Some people will do bad things sometimes, but absolutely not all people will do bad things all the time and vice versa. Let’s own up to our responsibilities as individuals and as human beings let’s put aside the concept of color and race. I know we will never all get along, but let us try, and if we fail let us do so without prejudice. Thank you all for your time and may your angels watch over you always.