Professor Ian Plimer - I apologise

Just to follow the money on the other side

“And the connection with Dr Pachauri? Directly there is no connection at all. But it just happens that Dr Pachauri’s other main job, apart from being chairman of the IPCC, is as director-general of the Tata Energy Research Institute, funded by Tata, which he has run since 1981.

In India, Corus’s owner, Tata, plans to increase steel production from 53 million tonnes to 124 million over the same period. By replacing inefficient old plants with new ones which emit only “European levels” of CO2, Tata could claim a further £600 million under the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism, which is operated by the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change – the organisers of the Copenhagen conference.”

And more here:
Climategate: CRU looks to “big oil” for support.

But what is the most important none of these information (regardless if on the side of sceptics or alarmists) bring any evidence that introduction of ETS tax will have any influence over global climate.

Sure, yet the $millions received by the CRU ‘scientists’, Mr.Gore and the UN carpetbaggers does not influence their opiniion eh??  Adjust your skirt Mr.Readfearn, your bias is showing.

How about the business interests of multimillionaire IPCC Head Rajendra Pachauri. These include directorships of fossil fuel and power generating companies:

Dr. Rajendra Kumar Pachauri is a Strategic Advisor at Pegasus Capital Advisors, L.P. He has been a Director-General of The Energy Research Institute (TERI) since April 2001. Dr. Pachauri has been Head of Tata Energy Research Institute, New Delhi (now known as The Energy and Resources Institute) since April 2001.He has been the President of the Asian Energy Institute since 1992. Dr. Pachauri has been the President of the International Association for Energy Economics … since 1988. He has been Chairman and Member of the Advisory Group at Asian Development Bank since May 2009. Dr. Pachauri has been an Independent Director of Oil and Natural Gas Corp. Ltd., since June 26, 2006. He serves as Vice-Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Dr. Pachauri serves as Director of GloriOil Limited. He serves as Director of the Institute for Global Environmental Strategies, Japan. Dr. Pachauri serves as a Member of External Advisory Board of Chicago Climate Exchange, Inc. He serves as Member of the Advisory Board on Energy. Dr. Pachauri serves as a Member of the International Advisory Board of Toyota Motors. He serves as a Member of Climate Change Advisory Board of Deutsche Bank AG. Dr. Pachauri served as Chairman of the International Association for Energy Economics from 1989 to 1990. He served as an Independent Director of NTPC Ltd. (National Thermal Power Corp.), from January 30, 2006 to January 2009. Dr. Pachauri served as a Director of the Indian Oil Corporation Limited until August 28, 2003. He served as non-official Part-time Director of NTPC Ltd., from August 2002 to August 2005. Dr. Pachauri served as a Director of Gail India Ltd. from August 18, 2003 to October 26, 2004. He served as Director of Tata Energy Research Institute., since 1981. Dr. Pachauri serves as Member of National Environmental Council, Government of India under the Chairmanship of the Prime Minister of India. He serves as a Member of the International Solar Energy Society, World Resources Institute, World Energy Council. Dr. Pachauri has been Member of the Economic Advisory Council to the Prime Minister of India since July 2001. He serves as Member of the Oil Industry Restructuring Group, for the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas, Government of India.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=9089242&privcapId=22361&previousCapId=138823&previousTitle=General Catalyst Partners

So what point exactly are you desperately trying to make. Is it that no one except alarmists are entitled to make a living or is it that he is being paid much too much for a sceptic or are you saying that mining companies are bad per se and should not be in existence at all? What is it Graham?

But what about a comparison with the alarmist side? How much does AL Gore make a year?
Well he charges $US100,000 for a single speech. Then there are these.

When he left government in early 2001, he listed assets of less than $2 million, including homes in suburban Washington and in Tennessee. 

Mr. Gore’s spokeswoman would not give a figure for his current net worth, but the scale of his wealth is evident in a single investment of $35 million in Capricorn Investment Group, a private equity fund started by his friend Jeffrey Skoll, the first president of eBay.

But what of Phil Jones? What does he earn? And what of Mann? How much is he raking in?

Make a comparison if you must Graham and cut out the Ad Homs.

Ok, you got wrong Graham. Thats leaves us awaiting Ian to tell us what he is and if he has got any pecuiniary interests which may affect his judgment call to the public.

Plimer is also a self promoting author. Perhaps some of your readers are not aware that Plimer once wrote a book called ‘Telling Lies for God’ 1994, Random House, in which he exposed the lies and mis-representations of the fundamentalist Christians who fear that recognition of man’s animal origins would interfere with their followers uncritical acceptance of the ‘literal’ truth of the bible. In that context, they attempted to interpret the fanciful account of Noah’s flood into the context of the modern theory of the geological history of the Earth. Enter Professor Plimer, who took the creationists to task, especially in relation to their announcement that they had discovered fossilized remains of Noah’s ark on the side of a mountain in Turkey, which they claimed was the biblical Mt Ararat.
Plimer effectively debunked their claim and went so far as to suggest that the creationists knowingly misrepresented the facts in the case.
They took exception to his charge of fraud, and sued him. Unfortunately,and inexplicably, they won. The judgement accepted that the creationists might be deluded, but concluded that they did not deliberately mis-represent the truth, despite the fact that they ‘mistook’ igneous rock for fossilized wood.
Plimer was faced with meeting the Creationists costs.
I have a theory that a bitter Professor Plimer has decided to play the creationist’s game himself. He has put together a range of absurd climate ‘creationist’ claims like the manipulation of data to show the Earth has been cooling since 1998, and the ‘one volcano in one day..’ howler,and constructed a denialist handbook.

His purpose since then has been to promote the book and to spread outrage among the scientific community by deliberately insulting and misquoting as many scientists, environmentalists and journalists as he can.
So far he has been outrageously successful.

How about a bit less self-righteous hypocrisy?

Tim Flannery charges $10,000-15,000 to talk about climate change to businesses.
http://www.ovations.com.au/presenter_detail/tim_flannery/48935/1

Flannery is a paid consultant to Virgin airlines. He is a director of Carbonscape a biochar company. He has shares in Geodynamics - he constantly spruiks geothermal energy.

I was a climate change believer following Gore’s movie. I have just finished reading Plimer’s book and think it is the most in depth and holistic look at climate change i have seen. I now realize there a hundreds of factors to contribute to climate change rather than the one CO2 that we are led to believe.

Come on Graham, your so called apology is childish.  If you really want to record “real” money made from all things global warming, write about Al Gore’s multi-millions of dollars, or Climategate’s University of East Anglia Climste Research Unit’s Prof Phil Jones (since stood down during enquiry) 25 million pounds for Global Warming UK Government research grants.  Plimer’s hard earned fees are chicken feed compared with the “alarmists” really serious money!
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Well Graham it is about time.
Plimer has avoided scrutiny while practicing character asassinations on anyone who speaks in defence of CC & man’s role in it.
You didn’t mention that Plimer also has an option of approx. 4 million shares in these minesin lieu of payment. One of which is missing from your list, Kefi Mining.
You might want to give some oxygen to the strategies & deals set out by big oil to discredit CC science.
First up is Phil Cooney & the destruction of valid science on behalf of Exxon in cohoots with the Bush administration.

Please Mr. Redfern - I am keen to know about
Tim Flannery and his business interests.
I trust the Australian taxpayers are not
contributing to his incredible wealth.

So sorry Mr Readfearn - misspelt your surname.
Has Al Gore made any money from the ghastly
man made climate change??

I suppose he should be more like Peter Spencer, a farmer whose rights to farm have been revoked so Kevin Rudd can say that Australia has met it’s Kyoto obligations. Peter is starving himself in order to highlight the predicament he and other farmers have in not being able to develope and maintain their land.

Your hero Tim Flannery whilst pushing the AGW barrow forgets to mention the $90 million his company received from the taxpayer to pursue geo thermal power. That oversight is OK but Ian Plimers is not apparently. Your bias is showing.

Professor Ian Plimer has indeed been a professor of geology and climate. He has only been, as indicated yourself, a business man the last two years. His forte was metallurgy geology which makes sense why he is involved in the companies now. They are not dirty oil and coal companies but the cleaner zinc, gold and (heavens) uranium interests. Uranium will have to figure more in Australia’s economy in some way or other in the near future. The corollory is that Al Gore is an ex politician who masquerades as a climate scientist.

Of course, in the balanced nature of debate we get on the green blog, the blog host will divulge how much Al Gore, Tim Flannery etc stand to gain financially from the AGW debate?

Checking your links, we see that these companies are metal miners.  I am sure Graham offsets his copper, so running an internet blog requires no mining to sustain his occupation.

Hang on, wasn’t Graham a electrician’s offsider?  So GR was in an industry that directly utilised copper.  GR in the pay of big mining, there’s a story.

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No mentions, however, of Professor Plimer’s business interests.

Pathetic.

Really, really pathetic Graham.

At least have the courage of your convictions and explain why you think having business interests is a bad thing?

You are seem so happy to make snide remarks and throw mud around and yet never have the balls to actually give an opinion of your own. Here is someone who does have an opinion, someone who wants to share that opinion and all you can do is try and deflect the argument with stupid, childish comments like that.

By your reasoning anyone who gets paid by a business is a Businessman, so therefore you are business man Graham. Your employer is chiefly involved in the business of selling advertising space to Power companies, car companies, supermarkets and such.

How much do you get paid Graham?

Al Gore is a Businessman, and a very rich one at that. He is making millions from this scam. Why is it you have never bothered to run a story about his vast fortune?

What exactly are your qualifications Graham? You are not a Climate Scientist, nor even a climate expert. You are clearly not a journalist and while you may actually have an opinion on Climate Change you seem incapable of giving it. You prefer to use the words of others in your blog without ever giving us your own words. Do you just agree with everything anybody says that supports your religion? It certainly seems that way to me.

Like I said, you are certainly no journalist.

You are no different from the idiot kids running wild in Copenhagen, just a wide eyed dreamer with socialist ideals and the unshakable believe in a religion that feeds of naive people such as yourself to survive.

When are you going to realise that the biggest business of the 21st Century is Climate Change. Climate Change is an industry making lots of people incredibly rich, so much so that the Governments of the world have decided it is their number one priority to get a piece of the action.

Hoe many people in Copenhagen care about the environment Graham? Hoe many actually believe Climate Change exists? Are you not fed up of reading about the luxury cars? The reluctance of delegates to use the recycle bins? The parties and banquets? The sheer amount of waste and pollution that is taking place?

A short while ago you heaping praise on Tony Blair and yet he is taking a battering at the moment in the review into the Iraq War with people now labeling him as a war criminal! Wait until he gives evidence and we will see the truth then.

The Carbon footprint of the Iraq War?

And yet you were hailing him as a climate change saviour a few weeks ago!!!

Pathetic Graham, just like this blog. How on Earth you actually have this job is beyond me. I for one have had enough and am going to be reading my car advertisements somewhere else from now on.

Ian Pilmers fees are chicken feed compared to the Government Grants (working class and business taxes) to hide many facts and to create a modern day climate SCI-F…
Socialists are hell bent on 2 classes. A few to live in Ivory towers so as they can look down on the masses and rule with fear and tyranny.
Climate change has nothing to do with the weather it is about economic change and that change is to extinguish upper lower class and middle class. Read and research what Chavez has done in his country.
If ever these world dictators under the diguise of the UN gain control of the world they will make the highflying capitalists look like boy scouts without any uniform.

There seems to be a running theme with these guys. Plimer, Carter, McIntyre. $$$$

Shock horror...he actually works for a living!

Personally I think he has a lot to say worth listening to but he has given you a lot of ammo to the contrary...come on this is just petty.