Asahi: Explosive hydrogen may be coming from melted fuel rods and “accumulating near the top of the containment vessel without being driven out”

Hydrogen accumulates in pipes at Fukushima’s No. 1 reactor, Asahi, September 24, 2011:

Hydrogen has accumulated to a level higher than previously thought in pipes connected to the No. 1 reactor containment vessel [...]

The nitrogen injections are believed to have lowered the hydrogen concentration considerably, but some hydrogen, being lighter than nitrogen, may be accumulating near the top of the containment vessel without being driven out. [...]

Nor could TEPCO measure how much hydrogen may have been generated in the containment vessel. [...]

TEPCO said it is investigating the possibility that hydrogen has also accumulated in a similar manner at the plant’s No. 2 and No. 3 reactors. [...]

Where does TEPCO think the hydrogen is coming from?

TEPCO said most of the accumulated hydrogen was generated by a reaction under high temperatures between water vapor and the surface of nuclear fuel rods that were exposed after water was lost following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

Even now, the damaged reactors may be generating small amounts of hydrogen as water decomposes through irradiation from the melted fuel rods.

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203 comments to Asahi: Explosive hydrogen may be coming from melted fuel rods and “accumulating near the top of the containment vessel without being driven out”

  • Nukeholio

    I sense a KABOOM coming soon…

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  • luckyjay

    The (unconscious) delight underlying many comments on this site hoping either to 1) predict and thereby be proven “right” about, or 2) witness an even worse catastrophe as little more than “adrenalized theater,” is beginning to grate.

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    • irradiated californian

      you are correct sir. sadly, there are a few good ones who post up good links, and there are those who post up their assumptions in hopes to be right and feed their internet egos.

      sad, but it is the internet after all.

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      • many moons

        It’s hard to be wrong when making a negative comment about a 3 way melt down..melt out…
        That’s about as bad as it gets…right?
        So if you can think of something positive…pleae irrational californian speak up! Let’s hear it!
        Or just troll on..

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      • Terranigma1 Terranigma1

        Check out this link regarding the Stuxnet virus, a threat to all nuclear reactors and power plants world wide!

        “Security Expert: U.S. ‘Leading Force’ Behind Stuxnet”

        “September 26, 2011 One year ago, German cybersecurity expert Ralph Langner announced that he had found a computer worm designed to sabotage a nuclear facility in Iran. It’s called Stuxnet, and it was the most sophisticated worm Langner had ever seen.

        Courtesy of Langner Communications

        “German cybersecurity expert Ralph Langner warns that U.S. utility companies are not yet prepared to deal with the threat presented by the Stuxnet computer worm, which he says the U.S. developed.
        In the year since, Stuxnet has been analyzed as a cyber-superweapon, one so dangerous it might even harm those who created it.”

        “It was a worm that could burrow its way into an industrial control system, the kind of system used in power plants, refineries and nuclear stations. Amazingly, it ignored everything it found except the one piece of equipment it was seeking; when the worm reached its target, it would destroy it.”

        http://www.npr.org/2011/09/26/140789306/security-expert-u-s-leading-force-behind-stuxnet?ps=cprs

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        • Terranigma1 Terranigma1

          “Cyberweapons proliferate by use, as we see in the case of Stuxnet,” he said. “Several months or weeks or a year later, the code is available on the Internet for dissection by anyone who has the motivation or money to do so.”

          “It would have to be revised, Langner says, in order to target some other industrial control system besides the one in Iran, a U.S. power plant, for example. But it could be done, and he warns that U.S. utility companies are not yet prepared to deal with the threat Stuxnet represents.”

          “The CIA declined to comment on Langner’s charge that the U.S. was “the leading force” behind Stuxnet. Homeland Security officials insist measures are being taken to defend U.S. infrastructure against cyberattack.”

          http://www.npr.org/2011/09/26/140789306/security-expert-u-s-leading-force-behind-stuxnet?ps=cprs

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    • stock@hawaii.rr.com

      I agree, lets cool down the “oh my god” stuff and look at reality.

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    • Irritated Kalifornian

      @luckyjay, good morning from Southern Ka. Thanks for putting into words what I have been thinking but was unable to verbalize. Although I’m not sure if the delight is always unconscious. Regards IK

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  • kimyo

    why not focus on tepco/japan-us.gov lies instead of trying to portray old nukeholio as wishing ill upon mankind?

    for example: forgetting to mention that ‘full meltdown in 3 reactors’ thing. taking measurements where people aren’t. the magic plutonium-proof robot clean-up theory. ‘full shutdown by january’. ‘it’s safe to come back home’.

    many governments must have detailed satellite data showing the true condition of fukushima and the other plants at risk.

    you might insist that they share it.

    corium may travel (relatively) slowly thru the earth, allowing tepco to continue their charade, but once seawater enters the mix all bets are off. no one knows what might happen.

    one thing that might fall out, so to speak, is that air travel would become unsafe. (you only have so many pilots, so many planes, just as you only have so many nuclear plant workers)

    those with loved ones away should encourage them to come home asap.

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  • I would start counting on an explosion.

    Hydrogen can only come from 2 sources inside the reactor…

    1 fuel cladding (which shouldn’t be present anymore).

    2. Underground / nuclear fuel splitting the molecules of the cooling to create hydrogen…

    Well we should probably take note that the cladding of the fuel has already exploded and melted below the PCV…

    Sooooo…

    @irradiated Californian…
    Yes I have been saying since march 2011 that reactor 1 would be a china syndrome and would eventually explode…

    The last several articles on hydrogen accumulating inside the reactor, and all available data (within the public realm); suggest an explosion is imminent unless the fuel source is diminished.

    Tepco has no course of action to implicate that from happening.

    Hence why in march I began my slink campaign. This is why I have firmly stuck to my guns throughout the entirety of the situation…

    TEPCO IS UNABLE TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING…

    Slinky down

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  • Sickputer

    Maybe it’s just some leftover hydrogen gas from months earlier when there actually was some melted fuel inside the reactor vessel.

    As the fuel has melted into the ground and left the bottom of the building I doubt an enormous amount of hydrogen is going to concentrate in the top of the torus which is damaged badly on the botton anyway.

    This may be just a sign Tepco has so little access to the building they are making guesses based on very little information. They can’t measure it so it’s probably just something for speculation. If it’s a true problem they probably can’t stop it anyway.

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  • luckyjay

    Is any data available on the addition of 5 trillion Bqs/day of HEAT into the atmosphere and its impact on climate over the next ten or 20 years? Will it accelerate the process – and by how much?

    Surely this information is out there. Pointers, anyone? Many thanks.

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    • anne anne

      It isn’t just heat that could affect the climate. Radioactive Krypton affects the weather. Ionizing radiation affects the weather. Perhaps ionizing radiation from Fukushima, if there were nuclear explosions, would affect the inner radiation Van Allen Belt. Would this affect the weather? Obviously, climate change is man made.

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      • Kirsty

        Anne, I have to tell you that I think your ideas are a bit wild. I certainly can tell you that global warming has nothing to do with radiation at all. It happens because carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have been rising.

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        • anne anne

          Climate risks by radioactive krypton-85 from nuclear fission Atmospheric-electrical and air-chemical effects of ionizing radiation in the atmosphere
          Klimarisiken durch radioaktives Krypton-85 aus der Kernspaltung Luftelektrische und luftchemische Wirkungen ionisierender Strahlung in der Atmosphaere
          Authors :
          Kollert, R. (Kollert und Donderer, Bremen (Germany)) ; Gewaltfreie Aktion Kaiseraugst, Liestal (Switzerland) ;
          Corporate author :
          Bund fuer Umwelt und Naturschutz Deutschland e.V. (BUND), Freiburg im Breisgau (Germany). Landesverband Baden-Wuerttemberg ; Bund Naturschutz in Bayern e.V., Muenchen (Germany) ;
          Copyright :
          1994
          Language :
          German ;
          Abstract :
          The study shows that krypton-85 from nuclear fission enhances air ionization and, thus, interferes with the atmospheric-electrical system and the water balance of the earth atmosphere. This is reason for concern: There are unforeseeable effects for weather and climate if the krypton-85 content of the earth atmosphere continues to rise. There may be a krypton-specific greenhouse effect and a collapse of the natural atmospheric-electrical field. In addition, human well-being may be expected to be impaired as a result of the diminished atmospheric-electrical field. There is also the risk of radiochemical actions and effects caused-by krypton-85-containing plumes in other air-borne pollutants like the latters’ transformation to aggressive oxidants. This implies radiation smog and more acid rain in the…

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        • anne anne

          What’s causing these monster hurricanes and tornadoes?
          “Recently there have been some suggestions that charged ions can, even at small concentrations, can have a (substantial?) effect on the formation of certain type’s of clouds (Marsh and Svensmark; 2000, Harrison, 2000; Carslaw et al., 2002)…
          If confirmed this would imply that a changing concentration of krypton-85 could affect to some extent the earth’s climate.”
          Source: MNP Report 500116003/2007
          The effect of a nuclear energy expansion strategy in Europe on health damages from air pollution
          Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency
          http://thedailybite.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/whats-causing-these-monster-tornadoes/

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        • anne anne

          Nuclear plant emissions may be affecting climate
          http://www.rivm.nl/bibliotheek/rapporten/500116003.pdf
          Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency
          MNP Report 500116003/2007
          The effect of a nuclear energy expansion strategy in Europe on
          health damages from air pollution
          J.C. Bollen and H.C. Eerens
          Quote:
          Textbox 1: Krypton-85 accumulation in the atmosphere
          Krypton-85 is a long-lived radioactive isotope which is naturally released into the atmosphere in small quantities (Harrison and Apsimon, 1994), approximately 5.2 1013 Bq/yr and, in larger quantities artificially (1017-1018 Bq/yr). It has steadily accumulated in the atmosphere since 1945 (from <0.2 Bg/m3), when anthropogenic nuclear activities started, and reaches 1.3 Bq/m3 nowadays.
          Ion production
          The principal concern with krypton-85 release is not a radiological/medical one, as population doses are small (Boeck, 1976), but the possible disturbance of the global electrical system (Legasov et al, 1984, Tertyshnik et al., 1977). It is known from nuclear weapon testing (Huzita, 1966) that atmospheric radioactivity increases air’s natural conductivity.
          The conductivity of air is proportional to the (small) ion concentration. These ions are formed naturally in atmospheric air at a rate (near the surface) of about 10 ion-pairs cm-3 s-1 (Chalmers, 1967). There are three major sources of these ions: airborne alpha radiation, cosmic rays and terrestrial gamma radiation. Near the Earth’s surface, gamma radiation from…

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          • anne anne

            There are three major sources of these ions: airborne alpha radiation, cosmic rays and terrestrial gamma radiation. Near the Earth’s surface, gamma radiation from the soil is the chief source of ionization, due to the nuclear decay in the Earth’s crust. This accounts for about 80% of the ionization near the surface. The remaining ionization is caused by cosmic rays, whose intensity increases greatly with height. Ionization over the oceans is considerably lower, since there is no gamma contribution and a greatly reduced amount of airborne alpha radiation.
            Removal
            The removal of ions can take place through two mechanisms: ion-ion recombination and ion-aerosol attachment. In the last case the particles become electrically charged (Fuchs, 1963). In the steady state, the bipolar ion production rate q per unit volume and the ion loss rates are balanced, given by (Harrison and Apsimon, 1994): q-αn2-βnZ=0
            (1) Where α is defined as the ion-ion recombination coefficient (1.6,10-6 cm3.s-1, e.g. Gringel et al, 1978) and β is the
            attachment coefficient between an ion and aerosol particle. β depends on the aerosol particle radius and charge (Gunn, 1954). Z is aerosol particle number concentration per unit volume, and n is the average ion number concentration. At higher aerosol concentration (i.e. 10 μg/m3 with 0.2 μm radius particles) n is dominated by aerosol-ion attachments. From the formula it becomes clear that a change in conductivity can occur due to an increase in the…

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          • anne anne

            From the formula it becomes clear that a change in conductivity can occur due to an increase in the production rate q (by, for
            example the additional ionization caused by krypton-85) or a change in aerosol concentration (increase will decrease conductivity).
            Change in conductivity by krypton-85
            The amount of extra ionization caused by the beta radiation can be found by using the average beta energy (0.249 MeV) for krypton-85. For a krypton-85 concentration of Ckr Bq/m3 the ionization rate is:
            qkr=(2.49.105/35).Ckr.
            (2) Assuming a surface ionization rate qo of 10 ion-pairs cm-3.s-1 the change in ion production is:
            dq/q0 = 7.11.10-4 Ckr.
            (3) Over the oceans, where q0 is about one-fifth of its continental value, the fractional change will be corresponding larger. The concentration of krypton falls with density (height) of air:
            Ckr(z)= c(0)e-z/8561, where c(0) is the surface concentration.
            (4) Combining ion production from the crust and cosmic ray, a maximum share of krypton-85 ion production can be expected at a height of 500-1500m, about twice the value at the surface and at a surface concentration of 1.3 Bq/m3 , a change of 2‰ in ion concentration at 1000 m can be expected . Locally, near a nuclear waste processing plant, the share can increase to approximately 20% (Clarke, 1979). Note that the conductivity above mountainous (remote) areas (Antarctic, Himalaya, determines the Earths resistance and interaction with the ionsphere.
            Consequence for the atmospheric…

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          • anne anne

            Consequence for the atmospheric system
            • It is generally assumed, although surrounded with some uncertainty and controversial (Illingworth and Latham, 1975), that thunderstorms provide the earth with a small negative charge. The slight conductivity of the atmosphere (see above) creates a small, opposite “fair weather current” (E= + 100 V.m-1, J ~2 pA.m-2 at the surface). Considering the earth as a spherical capacitor (with Ct ~2.8 Farads) it would lose it’s charge (τ ~667 s) in about an hour. The earth needs therefore continuously be charged by approximately 2000 thunderstorms
            (Schonland, 1953). A change of 0.1% could therefore be compared with the equivalent of two continually active thunderstorms. The interaction between an increasing conductivity and thunderstorms remains unclear although there are suggestions (Spangler and Rosenkilde, 1979) that it would weaken thunderstorm lighting.
            • Recently there have been some suggestions that charged ions can, even at small concentrations, can have a (substantial?) effect on the formation of certain type’s of clouds (Marsh and Svensmark; 2000, Harrison, 2000; Carslaw et al., 2002) . If confirmed this would imply that a changing concentration of krypton-85 could affect to some extent the earth’s climate.
            http://www.rivm.nl/bibliotheek/rapporten/500116003.pdf

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          • Elenin Velikovsky

            Anne! You’re Devastating! Preponderance of
            Evidence, weighed on Balance….
            I love how Kirsty can “Certainly” tell you.
            The so-called liberal curriculum and teachers
            have pushed this lack of critical mind, like
            just do it because I said so, just do it to meet the
            EXPECTED programmed response, for political
            correct tribal comfort zone.
            Sorry Kirsty, in Debate Team, we used to joke
            about grabbing your “Ox-Box” and slamming it up
            on the table, “HERE You have the EVIDENCE!!”
            yuk yuk, way to definitively Whup Ass, Annie girl!

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          • dharmasyd

            Great going Anne. I thought from your first posts that you have the wherewithall to really back up your statements. Not everyone here does that. but Khristy picked the wrong person when she picked you to doubt/attack.

            Hooray for Anne!

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          • Lacsap Lacsap

            Anna sad (good post): “There are three major sources of these ions: airborne alpha radiation, cosmic rays and terrestrial gamma radiation.”

            Now guess how HAARP works.. yes, charged ionized particles..

            Some country(s?) in Europa blasted holes in the ozone layer by testing HAARP. I have to search it but you have google your selfs..

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          • Will all this radiation leave us more venerable to the suns actions of late ?

            http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/earth-blasted-by-one-of-the-most-intense-geomagnetic-storms-seen-in-years/

            NASA is still very concerned with the suns activity’s !

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        • anne anne

          @xdrfox, here are some citations. The heating of the atmosphere was before the quake, the lights after the quake, I think:

          Atmosphere Above Japan Heated Rapidly Before M9 Earthquake
          http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26773/

          HAARP: High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
          http://www.alienscientist.com/HAARP.html

          Mysterious light spotted during Japan earthquake
          http://ascendingstarseed.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/mysterious-light-spotted-during-japan-earthquake/

          Japan disaster triggered ripples in upper atmosphere 220 miles from earth
          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8715326/Japan-disaster-triggered-ripples-in-upper-atmosphere-220-miles-from-earth.html

          Mysterious Lights Seen Over Japan Following The Latest Quake
          http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/mysterious-lights-seen-over-japan-following-the-latest-quake/

          New NASA research points to possible HAARP connection in Japan earthquake, tsunami
          http://www.naturalnews.com/032670_Fukushima_HAARP.html

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      • anne anne

        Aerosol and Electromagnetic
        Weapons In The Age
        Of Nuclear War

        “Polymer chemist Dr. R. Michael Castle has studied atmospheric polymers for years. He has found that some of them contain bioactive materials, which can cause “serious skin lesions and diseases when absorbed into the skin.”46 He has identified microscopic polymers comprised of genetically-engineered fungal forms mutated with viruses. He says that trillions of fusarium (fungus)/virus mutated spores, which secrete a powerful mico-toxin, are part of the air we breathe.47 Allergies anyone?….
        “HAARP transmissions make holes in the ozone…”63
        46. “Chemtrails, Bio-Active Crystalline Cationic Polymers,” Dr. Mike Castle, 7-14-03 See http://www.willthomas.net .

        [ http://www.rense.com/general39/vat.htm ]

        47. Ibid. ….

        62. “HAARP: Vandalism in the Sky?” Nick Begich and Jeane Manning, Nexus Magazine, December 1995.

        63. Ibid.; also Castle, op. cit. Dr. Castle presents information on how HAARP punches massive holes in the open-air column ozone and how the Air Force then uses toxic chemicals to “patch” the holes it has created: Dr. Castle says: “Welsbach seeding and ozone hole remediation sciences utilize chemistries that are toxic to humans and the environment.”
        http://www.rense.com/general59/aerosolandelectromag.htm

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  • lam335

    Busby said Fukushima was the Titanic–let’s hope it doesn’t tun out to be the Hindenburg too.

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  • xstatic

    is the best solution for this to tunnel it’s way under the crust and just be gone into the abyss deep deep underground in the mantle or outer core?i see no solutions just worst case.is it possible to drill under the corium and guide it so far away from any living thing?

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  • First article said Tepco announced unknown gas thats flammable being created. Now second article says Tepco is admitting its hydrogen. You ask why we don’t trust the nuclear industry? Yeah hydrogen and oxygen are elements of water. So where is all the hydrogen coming from? Makes sense that its from all the water they are pouring on it. Not going to be from cladding as they admit meltdown. What they admit to is bad enough but what they are being secret about or what they just don’t know is worse. Shill activity only confirms suspicions.

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    • moonshellblue

      I recall reading that you should never pour water on top of a reactor due to chemical reactions but they had no choice? I think they should have been pouring liquid glass or sand on that mess but what do I know.

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    • Irritated Kalifornian

      @mark Good morning. Well I won’t ask you a question today. But, & you might already know this, regarding your post about where the hydrogen is coming from, it is being said that it may be residual left from the meltdown
      Cheers IK

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  • xstatic

    anyone have a better idea? anyone?

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    • Steven Steven

      I spent some time on oil/gas drilling rigs as a ‘mudlogger’ (Hydrocarbon Well Logging Engineer). I can definitely tell you that nobody in their right mind would want to be on the rig that drills in anywhere near that load of melted nuke fuel. The drilling fluid (referred to as ‘mud’ – thus ‘mudlogger’) brings back all the tailings from the drilled hole. With all that radioactive water down there you can count on the mud becoming too dangerous to handle very soon into the operation.

      It’s impossible to drill deep holes without everyone involved getting covered in drilling fluid, btw.

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  • evole

    @luckyjay

    Very good call about the disaster pornishness of some of the posts.

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  • nelson311

    So what if there is an explosion ? They sure will say “all is fine” “nothing to worry about” ” we are closely monitoring the situation” “go back to shopping” … and “do not forget to pay your TEPCO electricity bill” …

    And 90% of Japan and 80% of the world will do just that ! Because the crisis in Fukushima … well… just is in Fukushima !

    Nelson311 aka moonkai

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    • many moons

      It’s not really even in Fukushima…remember…it’s safe to return to Fuku…actually the problem is just at the plant..and only in three reactors which will soon be covered by a tent..so we won’t even see them…all fixed…no bang…just a lot of weird shit going on like yellow pollen in winter and..oh that list goes on and on….

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  • shaktasna999

    If there is a chain reaction related explosion it will able to be seen from space. There will be no ignoring it.

    Best to pray that if there is an explosion, that people expire quickly, rather than in slow agony.

    There are no better ideas. This world turned its eyes away when nuclear power could have been developed ethically.

    Now there will be a lesson that can’t be ignored, though I am certain the delusional and psychotic types will make the effort.

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    • many moons

      Is there going to be anyone left to learn the lesson?

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    • anne anne

      There was never any way nuclear power could have been developed ethically. It is prohibitively expensive. There will never be any way to dispose of nuclear waste, nor all the people who are radioactive.

      All uranium mining must be stopped forever immediately. All nuclear reactions must be stopped forever immediately. All use of uranium for any reason must be stopped immediately. All pulverization of plutonium for MOX or anything must be stopped forever immediately.

      No one is “hoping” for an explosion. It will eventually kill all of us in very painful excruciating deaths. All anyone is hoping for is to stop the insanity of the nuclear industry worldwide.

      Why didn’t anyone stop the madness after any one of the previous accidents?
      http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/nukes/chernob/rep02.html

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      • Anthony

        The cooled cores and rods should be returned deep into mines and sealed up. All of them and all of it. Back to where it came from. It still might react underground but they cant expire above ground. Uranium was okay underground where we recklessly unearthed it from.

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      • Steven Steven

        Nice one anne, bless you. May I just add, they should damn well stop messing around with anything else that has the potential to impact severely on us/the planet too. Messing with fusion, messing with subatomic collisions, messing with genetic modification, messing with our food and water… the list goes on, and on :(

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        • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

          Don’t forget messing with nanotechnology.

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        • Heart of the Rose

          Really? Steven…here I am…(batting my cyber eyelashes) ..waiting for you to tell us what our consensus is…..
          Do tell…..

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          • Steven Steven

            Dear Heart, I’m probably not the best candidate for judging the consensus here, although I do try for my own sake, I believe it’s important to get a broad perspective. But personal reasons like health and time constraints prevent me from reading all of the material, so I make the best of it by following those here who seem coherent, fair minded, well informed and not prone to minimisation or exaggeration.

            Another reason for participating, even someone like myself who has little to offer (one useful post in six months, so I’m told) is to touch base as it were with others in the sharing of our awaredness. As we all slip ever closer to the edge of the abyss I find it comforting to hear the warm friendly cyber voices of those such as your good self, who even in their deep despair find the time and space in their busy lives to spare a kind greeting and perhaps some words of encouragement.

            Sorry to disappoint but perhaps if you mentioned it to Admin he might put up some sort of poll on the bigger issues. He’s very open to ideas, I probably wasn’t the only one to make the suggestions but I asked for the livecam discussion thread and the new search functions, and both quickly appeared.

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          • Heart of the Rose

            @ Steven ..Whitewashing the verbal attacks you’ve put on in here?…

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          • Heart of the Rose

            All of a sudden misunderstood…the underdog?….please

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          • Heart of the Rose

            Some of the HYPOTHESIS..in this room is as close to the truth as anything on the planet….
            I don’t feel that there are “doom glory seekers” in this room…science used to like being RIGHT.

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          • Steven Steven

            I’m not sure where you get the underdog idea from Heart, and I make a point not to ‘attack’ anyone, do underdogs do that? Polite and civil is the goal, think big shaggy dog. There have been occassions when it seemed appropriate to counter a point of view, or even a trend in someone else’s posts, but I try to do so without rancour – sometimes triggering a hostile response which I never reciprocate. I’m an Aussie, you know – g’day mate :) so no hate here, whatever you think of me. Not that I don’t care, just that it’s out of my hands. Strikes me though, that you’d have to be pretty astute to learn enough about someone from a few posts to justify hating them, unless they were really up-front rude and obnoxious. Just my opinion.

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          • Heart of the Rose

            Let’s not get interpersonal here…this is intellectual debate for the most part…peppered with shill control..
            Carry on…

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          • Steven Steven

            I’m not so sure about the intellectual debate Heart, those are usually notable for the reasoned and non-emotive intercourse. Hard to achieve that with so much at stake – damn, did I say stake?… I meant risk, didn’t mean to say anything that might trigger a witch burning.

            If we’re going to end up in that abyss, we might as well go in holding hands, as it were, rather than swearing at each other. And I didn’t do it, btw (the nasty nuclear mess) so you might want to focus your anger/contempt or whatever elsewhere.

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    • many moons

      I think they are ignoring it right now. Japan has plenty of reactors up and running, even ones very close to Fukushima. Imagine an explosion hindering another plants operation! That will be a chain reaction melt out….
      C’mon no one is learning from this cause they want the money more than the lesson.

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  • bincbom

    It looks like the endgame is becoming a little more clear.

    “Cooling the fuel” hasn’t worked and isn’t going to. Probably, there will have to be additional explosions from the melted cores to distribute the nuclear material and break up the critical masses.

    This hydrogen production may ultimately be enough to create these explosions.

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  • Nigwil

    I am sure there are lots of poor worker bees around these horrible nuclear hives, but isn’t it about time that the world came to know what (if any) brain is actually behind the brawn?

    The last IAEA status report on the reactors was back in June,
    http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/fukushima/

    In his 12 September update the IAEA Director General stated straight-faced to the camera that

    “The situation at the site remained very serious for many months. The Agency’s assessment now is that the reactors are essentially stable and the expectation is that the “cold shutdown” of all the reactors will be achieved as planned. The plant operator and the Japanese authorities have been working hard to regain full control of the situation and have made steady progress in the past six months. I saw for myself just how powerful and destructive nature can be when I visited the Fukushima Daiichi plant in July. But I was also deeply impressed by the courage and dedication of the engineers and workers at the site. The IAEA will continue to provide every possible assistance to Japan as it restores control over the Fukushima Daiichi plant and tackles the challenging work of decontamination and remediation. Continuing full transparency on Japan’s part will also be important.”

    One paragraph, 146 words. Three reactors in full meltdown, a spent fuel pond that is missing in action and a spent fuel storage facility about which nothing is heard. And thats the plan, Stan? 146…

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    • Sickputer

      They are good at being liars, professionals in fact.

      When things change for the worse and they have to change their storyline they just tell new lies. No problem with these slick willies.

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    • Bob Hardin

      The IAEA is in denial. The Japanese government is completely incompetent. The media hide the story.
      The people who know what’s going on, like us, have no solution to the problem. I guess that’s the worst thing, isn’t it? Because there is no solution to the problem. Is there?

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  • many moons

    Sure you would think there would be at least an update on this..”plan”…Step one was to restore control of the plant…hm I wonder where they are with that….a subtitle to that might be A) find the fuel..or corium (present state)…yes I’d like to hear more about how that plan is moving along.

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  • Elenin Velikovsky

    Nigwil….too bad none of these statements appear to
    have any enforceable responsibility to them. This Clown
    or Fully-aware and Sinister Liar will face no penalties
    for his complete falsehood, spoken for the purposes of deception.
    They know they have No Predators, they have always gotten
    away with it, baldfaced murder-producing Lies.
    The International Atomic Encroachment Agency.
    You gotta feel sorry, compassionate, for the Foolish ones,
    those who’ve been deceived to think they should follow Evil.

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  • The idea, implicit in the public mind, that Fukushima is stable so long as no explosion occurs is false.

    http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/preventing-another-explosion.html

    Fukushima continues to release radiation daily and the amounts are not small, according to Gunderson, Busby, and numerous other individuals in Japan who have reported (e.g., Ex-SKF)

    An explosion simply destroys the charade perpetuated by the mainstream media and governments everywhere that all is fine at the plant.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am not hoping for an explosion.

    What I’m hoping for is people start waking up to the fact that radiation has been spewing from that deathhole for over 6 months now and the environment is becoming increasingly contaminated in Japan and the US, Canada, etc (and the ocean also!)

    There is no way to avoid eating contaminated food over time.

    We are being poisoned, slowly. Why cannot the public wake up to that? Why does it take a fricking explosion to break through their normalcy bias?

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    • This gets discussed from time to time. MSM provides the masses with a figurative circus. MSM is owned by a few privileged ones who have ties to nuclear energy. Average person is now used to digesting the news in 10 second bytes. TEPCO and others in the nuke industry have taken a lesson from BP Gulf Oil spill. Even when the American coast guard told them not to they continued to use a banned oil dispersant. USA not as powerful as BP it seems. Or is it your trusted public servants like Obama have another agenda? BP should be owned by USA if justice really was served. Instead they are given more oil rig licenses and allowed to not properly compensate those effected..
      Nobody even slapping TEPCO’s hand. Nuclear technology is very complicated, so its hard to explain the technical issues in todays news format. Also leaves no stain on the beach or smell. Also a delayed reaction as it might take years to contract cancer from radiation and then it will be difficult to prove cancer came from Japanese radiation. Few people understand counts per minute, sieverts half life etc etc. The idiots are holding some good cards. Just good that we have the internet which competes with MSM. I think a lot of people are turning away from MSM and quietly firing up their computers. Don’t think I would have any understanding of whats really going on in Japan if I was chained to the 6:00 news. Just more people are needed to wake up. Eventually, the truth will come out hopefully in…

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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi majia

      Quote: Why cannot the public wake up to that? Why does it take a fricking explosion to break through their normalcy bias?

      It’s because, people can’t see, taste, smell radiation.

      For some, if it’s not at their door knocking, then they believe it won’t effect them.

      It is easier to believe that, things happening in other places in the world, won’t affect them.

      People are into their own daily life’s trying to make ends meet. Not many people, want to believe what is happening, most are over stressed as it is.

      There are some who just have different thoughts about this disaster.

      Personally, I think I have already had to much radiation.

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  • Anthony

    Press Releases

    Press Release (Sep 25,2011)
    Plant Status of Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Station (as of 3:00 pm, September 25)

    On March 11 2011, turbines and reactors of Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power
    Station Units 1 to 4 (Boiling Water Reactors, rated output 1,100 Megawatts)
    that we had been constantly operating at rated thermal output were
    automatically shut down at 2:48 pm due to the Tohoku-Chihou-Taiheiyou-Oki
    Earthquake (previously announced on March 11).

    At 7:15 am on March 15, the reactor of Unit 4 achieved cold shutdown. As a
    result, all reactors of Units 1 to 4 at Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power
    Station achieved cold shutdown (previously announced on March 15).

    As of 3:00 pm on September 25, the reactors of Units 1 to 4 are in cold
    shutdown (please refer to the appendix). We will continue to make our
    endeavors to further stabilize each plant of cold shutdown.

    ·No updates from the previous press release.

    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11092504-e.html

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  • Anthony

    Global resources needed to combat radiation levels
    2:00 AM, Sep. 25, 2011 |

    This month marked the half-year anniversary of the Fukushima earthquake and tsunami, and TEPCO and the Japanese government remain unable to control the nuclear emergency that continues to unfold.

    Radiation levels exceed the Chernobyl disaster and now reach a level that is unknown to humans or machines. Radiation leakage from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant was so high in August it exceeded the monitoring equipment’s maximum measuring capacity.

    Radiation experts estimate that more than 1 million people will die from Fukushima’s radiation. According to Dr. Tatsuhiko Kodama, the director of Radioisotope Center at the University of Tokyo, the amount of radiation released thus far is equivalent to more than 29 “Hiroshima-type atomic bombs.”

    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20110925/OPINION/109250351/1046

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  • midwestern

    Japan’s Earthquake-Tsunami-Nuclear Disaster Syndrome: An Unprecedented Form of Catastrophe

    Hirose Takashi

    The seismologist Ishibashi Katsuhiko (presently Emeritus Professor at Kobe University) predicted that a nuclear power plant accident like the present one was possible, and issued warnings from the late ‘90s. People had been warning of the danger of earthquake-caused nuclear accidents since the 1970s, but Ishibashi, from the specialized standpoint of seismology, proposed a new concept, which he called genpatsu shinsai [Translator’s note: this expression literally means Nuclear-Power-Plant-Earthquake Disaster. As there is no English expression for this (the phenomenon itself is new) in this work we will render it as genpatsu shinsai syndrome.]. By this he meant a situation in which, as the damage from the earthquake widens, the situation is made doubly worse by nuclear radiation damage. It was in the hope of preventing this that he was issuing warnings. Ishibashi wrote many books on this, including Daichidouran no Jidai (The Age of Shifting Earth) (Iwanami Shinsho) and he is a very well-known scholar, so it is impossible that his warnings were unknown to the officials of the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO).

    I myself published in August of last year (2010) Genshiro Jigen Bakudan – Daijishin ni Obieru Nihonretto (Nuclear Reactor Time Bomb – The Japanese Archipelago under the Danger of Great Earthquakes) (Diamond) in which I tried to give the warnings of…

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  • midwestern

    continued

    I myself published in August of last year (2010) Genshiro Jigen Bakudan – Daijishin ni Obieru Nihonretto (Nuclear Reactor Time Bomb – The Japanese Archipelago under the Danger of Great Earthquakes) (Diamond) in which I tried to give the warnings of Ishibashi and others a wider audience, and to call for preventive measures to be taken against a genpatsu shinsai syndrome. Though as for earthquakes and tsunamis I am no more than a layman, I forecast the possibility of such a catastrophe, and wrote about nuclear contamination. It is a terrifying subject. Nevertheless, on the possibility of a genpatsu shinsai syndrome I wrote as follows.

    “If you ask, “Will Japan still be here in ten years?” I have the evil foreboding that the answer might be, “There is a very strong chance that it will not” . . . . In the future there awaits an unknowable, vast dark age. I don’t want to contemplate its form, but it is the fear of a genpatsu shinsai syndrome brought about by movements of the earth that no human knowledge can control.”

    http://japanfocus.org/-Hirose-Takashi/3606

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    • Pallas89juno

      I concur; Excellent article link here. Reminds us all that though maybe most of us on ENE are, perhaps, now too old to physically by ourselves pull off a direct take over of corporate and billionaire run media outlets (it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to legitimately own such from an ecological sustainability and social justice standpoint), there must be a critical mass to take over those institutions which lay on the lavender in blissfull (for the nuke criminals) non-informative non-criticality about ongoing and worsening cyclic nuclear criticalities and genpatsu danshai (sp?). See the Argentinian movie, “The Take” (with subtitles) to see this is NOT radical or far fetched…but a must and NOW a must.

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  • Gotta think positive!

    …two reactors of five at Fukushima are safe

    …radiation contained only in Japan

    …Oceans are huge, no way radiation can travel across the Pacific Waters

    …Atmosphere dissipates released radiation to safely sized, teenie tiny thingies that could never harm people far away.

    …Fish have scales, so radiation can not enter fish innards.

    …tuna swim too fast too

    …Japan has too many people anyways.

    …Japan Volcanoe gonna erupt so big, that lava gonna cover fukushima reactors.

    red red wine

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    • many moons

      I think you are right on the money red wine!
      I’ve given over my complete faith in these scienctific wizards to whip up a fine solution to this messy problem. After all Tepco has been in the Nukes business for a couple of decades, they have plenty of experience handling melt downs that might come up…they have bunches of plans on the table..why I bet they have the plant up and running before the next yellow pollen covers the cars!

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    • Sickputer

      +1

      And nosebleeds help clean out bad blood in nostrils

      Green tea antioxidants counters any cesium in leaves

      Heart attacks good for Zero Population Growth

      Hearts attacks also good for Zero Population!

      Radiation adds many new jobs for tent makers and crane operators

      Who needs beluga whales anyway?

      Giant oysters good food for Godzilla

      Yellow pollen rain wonderful photo ops for families

      Funny roses win photography contests

      No need for old folks homes anymore

      Yakuza back to full employment status

      The Yen is good again (for toilet paper)

      Tepco sends love offerings to their neighbors in North Korea

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  • pure water

    And now:Hydrogen check ordered at No.2, 3 reactors

    Japan’s nuclear safety agency has instructed the operator of the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to check if hydrogen is building up in its No.2 and 3 reactors.
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/26_02.html

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  • Attn. Tepco Caught in the big lie…

    I am surprised you all didn’t catch this…
    Zirconium only produces hydrogen when exposed fuel rods react with Oxygen…

    The fuel is most certainly submerged under tons and tons of water in reactor 1…

    So the only way that the hydrogen would be able to be produced Is if the fuel is critical…

    Raging nuclear fuel creating hydrogen in masse…
    Something has got to give…

    Something like the PCV lid…

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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi Tacomagroove

      I can understand your thinking in why it could explode, it makes sense to me.
      Even Michio Kaku said, “This is a ticking time bomb.”

      Do you know if there is a way they can neutralize it, so it doesn’t explode?

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    • Anthony

      Well wasn’t the *first* explosion caused by hydrogen buildup? This new hydrogen discovery reveals same conditions to create a boom of some sort. It definitely reflects the runaway reactions with are still obviously occurring in wherever that pipe leads to or from!

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  • Elenin Velikovsky

    I liked your electrolysis lesson, Tacoma….
    There’s likely some electrical zingy flows through
    the seawater-contaminated, broken-off steel and
    iron anodes, cathodes sticking out, etc….
    but also, can you see that this “Press Release” of
    “COLD SHUTDOWN”,
    :
    :As of 3:00 pm on September 25, the reactors of Units 1 to 4 are in cold
    shutdown (please refer to the appendix). We will continue to make our
    endeavors to further stabilize each plant of cold shutdown.
    ——
    The way I read it Tacoma, they are pulling Max Brazen on their
    lies, because it is time for one last market-manipulation,
    one last staged “TERROR” event, time to move Troops into
    position, Nobody in so-called journalism is Challenging Lies,
    because Dead Men Tell no Tales.
    It is “Plata, o Plomo!”, which is to say, take the Silver, or you
    Get the Lead instead….heavy pressure on the conscientious
    ones, but just more earthly opportunity for the ignant.
    Run to the Stronghold.

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  • @elenin.

    I agree a defcon 1. reported from a russian source?
    This is an impending nuclear attack alert…

    Secrets were kept. Lies were told…

    We have the current technology to suggest a time frame on such an important deadline. (deadline get it).

    Heres what we know.
    Tepco already had melt through simulations in their possession as early as march 12th. yet to no avail to the world?

    How were these advanced algorithms cyphered. Through super computers of course.

    Now were in a situation such as this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Vs0AUTBuY&feature=player_embedded

    Over the last few months military convoys, have been shipped internationally, mass causality evacuation busses have been spotted, reports have came in from anonymous parties about supplying underground bunkers….

    Tick tock tick tock.

    What is the deadline…

    Why did russia release the information.
    Why are so many government representatives off duty.
    Why is the president overseeing a military drill.
    Why is denver (which hosts norad) the location of this drill.
    Why are 81 agencies involved, Yet russia disclosed the information…
    Why are they addressing area residents of their plans and not the entire nation… (is this so they don’t have to be sneaky).

    There is a good chance all this is in relation to an advanced algorithm created by a super computer. That we know and have a model of exactly how significant an explosion would be from reactor 1 ; And why the stage is…

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  • cont…

    set for such a significant event…

    However we will see very soon what is to come of these peculiar events.
    this coincidence of sorts…

    The odds are good. And sadly the goods, are odd…

    I will just note that I keep in mind the possibility that in this world…
    Anything can happen.
    Take basic precaution by having an evacuation plan for an event as significant as an explosion at reactor 1.

    @ windsolar. I advise basic precaution because I feel there is no technology known to mankind to advert such an event…

    Basic precaution…
    “Knowledge is god pride is poison integrity is virtue”.
    These are the sins that I bare.

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  • @Admin
    I would like you to add a feature to enenews…
    I would like to be able to click on a user account, and see all posts made by the user.

    That will help corner shill like behavior, while giving the viewer a chance to judge their intelligence in relation to their tact, and general presence in relation to this website…

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  • Elenin Velikovsky

    Bueno Miss Emmy. If I was closer, I’d bring ya
    some hummus I just made lemony and garlicky.
    Tomorrow I make Green Chile Coleslaw! Yum!
    I have to admit I’m not prepping beyond
    food paranoia. I’ve sort of given up years ago
    on my teeth, for example, foreseeing these days.
    All is vanity?
    ———–
    Interesting that some say the North Anna Quake
    was a demolition of the major underground base
    in the area…some say via ELFrequency long-range
    attack…some say it is/was the Reptilian ET stronghold.
    ………..
    Love ya
    !
    A recommended Treasure for ya-
    Mendelssohn’s “Elijah”–Atlanta Symphony, Robert Shaw
    “Then shall your Light-
    Break Forth as the Light of Morning
    Breaketh…
    and your Health shall Speedily be
    Restor-ed!”
    HalleluYah!

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    • I try not to get too engaged, in the reports…

      I feel anything is possible.

      I just note that:
      1. Tepco and the japanese already have been caught with advanced / damage models.
      2. The united states was privileged to these models.

      3. The president is taking another “curious trip”
      4. It seems a lot of government officials are on vacation again
      5. This behavior was exampled in early march.
      6. Russia is A. worried, and B. reporting it as having significance.
      7. The timing coincides with reactor 1′s integrity.

      That simply tells me that there is reason enough to question a relationship to the two events.

      It would not surprise me if there were.
      Nor would it disappoint me if there were not.

      Its like going to a baseball game, and not really caring who wins…
      I just enjoy watching and in this case trying to figure out how to play the game.

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  • BTW. to those that are concerned…

    I noticed questionable behavior in response to my plutonium vs. pollen paper…

    New users, (first time posters)… / debunking its content. With no intention of pushing for sampling and having no direct concern for the integrity of the article…

    Example:
    “ive lived in japan all my life. We get pollen year round. Thats why people were wearing masks”… < --- Stuff like that...

    That to me is suspect.

    I feel I touched a very soft spot on that paper…

    I Hope the japanese people demand adequate testing…

    Although I have no idea where you would find an honest lab in this day and age..

    It is a sad sad world…

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  • Elenin Velikovsky

    Yes Tacoma…
    I’m afraid of being half-robot.
    The reality gone round and round here…
    Where to Evacuate anybody? Selective Triage?
    Chinese gulags?
    This winter, if we even get there, will kill many.
    IF we even get there.
    I’ve been a free spirit, on call….
    Don’t feel much like becoming a Mole-man
    in an old mine or the latest Illuminati Heaven Hole.
    Who has got plenteous, bounteous, abundance
    to freely share with the millions of Japanese?
    I bet that
    in Japan, your Honest Lab must hide from
    Yakuza bad guys or US/illuminati/GE bad guys.
    Silkwood kind of action.
    Heinlein had such faith in Man’s ingenuity and science.
    The Future History series is at the point of the
    longevity elite ready to leave the planet.
    Dark Side of the Moon.
    Mars base?
    Mother Ship? Scientology was right all along?
    Where the hell is Lazarus Long when ya need him?

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    • Lacsap Lacsap

      Mars base?
      Mother Ship?

      Thats where they need all there plutonium for which they are creating in large scale, would say there are more then enough nuclear weapons so the plutonium has to go there (no its not because they need it for pacemakers and stuff like that).

      Trust no one.

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  • Nigwil

    Hydrogen in the top of the reactor ‘pressure’ vessels, corium melted through holes in the bottom and crawling out of the torus base through holes its burned through the concrete and steel. Thinking of how this can be happening…

    Check the end of
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkgaGOEFXaY
    for the cross sections.

    If the containment is near-full of water then I guess because the mix of zirconium and fuel is creating hydrogen way down below then random bubbles must be chancing it and making it up through the holes in the bottom of the RPV to accumulate there. Imagine holding a narrow-necked bottle upside down in a swimming pool, then trying to get bubbles into it by blowing from the bottom of the pool. Not easy. An explosion in the RPV full of hydrogen and a bit of oxygen/oxidiser could be drastic, but hopefully be contained in the primary containment (if it still exists).

    Alternatively if they are finding hydrogen in the RPV if could be that the entire containment is full of hydrogen to below the holes in the RPV, in which case a much bigger bang involving the entire containment could ensue. Watch this space!

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  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Dang!

    And I thought I was kidding!!

    Not related, but it could be if it causes more disruptions or tsunamis on any more reactors:

    Check this out and share it for fun OK!

    Terral’s ELEnin Dwarf Star 9/27 Warning Video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JQ2MTbPqzA

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  • Nigwil

    There is a great image in one of Arnies videos showing what the RPV, torus and primary containment looks like during construction (At aout 3:06). Its got more pipes sticking out of it than grandpa in terminal care!

    http://www.fairewinds.com/content/fairewinds-introduces-japanese-language-edition-and-identifies-safety-problems-all-reactors-

    One rupture in any of those lines or welds and its neither water nor pressure-tight. How they think they are doing a nitrogen purge (obviously unsuccessfully) or keeping water in it heaven knows.

    They need all the help the world can give. But they seem to be too embarrassed to ask. Damn them.

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  • Sorry about all the bold text;
    lulz… < :0

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  • Nigwil

    “So… Lets call the whole thing off!”

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  • Nigwil

    (So much for my efforts at html. Sorry. N)

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  • Nigwil

    Admin, I’m sure you will delete the above rubbish in due course. Thanks. N

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  • Nigwil

    We can’t even fix this! What price Fuku!! :)

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  • mungo mungo

    OT, can anyone explain why the safecast rad readings for tokyo are low? i argue that this is all bad, radiation, only to be told that the readings in tokyo are no different to the readings in spain? no one is saying dont visit spain…

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  • BreadAndButter

    We’ve expected that, haven’t we…
    “Gov’t to allow ash containing over 100,000 becquerels of cesium per kg to be buried”

    (…) “From now on, ash with radiation levels of over 100,000 becquerels is required to be solidified with cement and can be buried at facilities where measures are in place to prevent the seeping of rainwater and the leakage of contaminated ash to groundwater.
    The ministry is also considering utilizing existing permanent disposal sites that are surrounded by concrete walls to bury toxic heavy metals or those sites equipped with measures to stop such materials from leaking into groundwater.”

    So, ALL radioactive ashes with no matter what levels will be buried all over the country. Nice.
    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110926p2a00m0na005000c.html

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  • GEOMAGNETIC STORM WARNING: A pair of closely-spaced CMEs propelled by explosions of sunspot AR1302 on Sept. 24th are heading not-quite directly toward Earth. A significant glancing blow to our planet’s magnetic field is possible on Sept. 26th around 14:00 UT (+/- 7 hours). NOAA forecasters estimate a ~25% chance of geomagnetic storms when the clouds arrive. [CME forecast track] Aurora alerts: text, voice.

    STRONG SOLAR ACTIVITY: Having already unleashed two X-flares since Sept. 22nd, sunspot AR1302 appears ready for more. The active region has a complex “beta-gamma-delta” magnetic field that harbors energy for strong M- and X-class eruptions. Flares from AR1302 will become increasingly geoeffective as the sunspot turns toward Earth in the days ahead.

    On Sunday, Sept. 25th, Dutch astrophotographer Emil Kraaikamp took a magnificent picture of the active region, which is so big only half of it fits on the screen. Click to view the entire sunspot:

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  • Heart of the Rose

    Hi Whoopie…Trolls in here… thick as jam on fresh bread…off to “engage” for liberty..
    Don’t let’em get us…….lol!

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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Ahhhh…he­re it comes, just like we knew would happen $$$$$$$$$$$ No More Money!!!!
    http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/iaea-seeks-funds-for-post-fukushima-nuclear-safety?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
    “Meeting new and expanding demands for assistance from member states in nuclear safety, as well as in other areas, will require an increase in the agency’s resources,­” he said.

    “I encourage all countries in a position to do so to make additional resources available to the agency.”

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    • Sickputer

      Don’t you just love their idea to send “experts” to help with decontamination:

      “Japan does not have much experience in this area, he said, adding that some people were spraying water and digging up the earth in an attempt to clean up their homes.

      “These things should be done properly, otherwise the amount of debris becomes huge. I hope we can give some advice.”

      SP: Yeah…we know how “properly” the cleanup went at Chernobyl…

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      • Whoopie Whoopie

        Horrible horrible news. But like I said, we knew it was coming. I want out of this country. I want off the world. They have got to be kidding us. They are ALREADY subsidized by our Taxes with all these old reactors. Now they want MORE!?!?!? No I’m not shocked. It’s what HP’ers have been saying all along. They will DRAIN THE POT for every last dime we have. Good grief. It’s one thing to think about it, it’s another to SEE IT IN PRINT. I’m pissed.

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  • markoftides

    The most probable source of free hydrogen is a chemical reaction between corium and cement. The corium IS still molten, and it HAS escaped it’s “thermos” through the bottom where the control rods are inserted. It’s the most logical explaination……

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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Dont know where everybody is at HP=Japan but a new HP article:
    WHO ranks what CITY air pollution is the worst?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/26/who-ranks-air-pollution-by-city_n_980842.html
    Go get ‘em Enenewers. FUKUSHIMA SHOULD BE NUMBER 1 and I just posted that.

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  • sicx

    The fact that we’re not in the process of shutting down every reactor more then 10 years old is enough to tell me we are doomed. All this increase in solar activity with a weakening magnetosphere. They have warned of huge power outages yet the 35 year old reactors continue. Humanity fail

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  • catweazel

    “The gas would likely evaporate in only a few days time…”

    lmao… UNLESS IT WAS TRAPPED INSIDE A CONTAINMENT VESSEL.

    also, how exactly does a gas evaporate? lmao.

    hydrogen is tricky, it consist of just a proton a neutron and an electron. the smallest thinkable atom. it diffuses easily through massive steel and nearly anything else (even as H2, the normal form). when it meets carbon on the way (nearly all steel has carbon in it) it could form methan gas, which weakens the steel by stealing the carbon and building up pressure in the steel as methan is a gas. it is not easy to contain hydrogen.

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  • catweazel

    knowing that the question is more: why is there still hydrogen when it left containment month ago, and on which way did the massive amount of hydrogen left the reactor initially, just in big amounts. the previously described “diffusing through” does not mean sees no borders, it is slowed by steel but it goes through. as it is only in a pipe it really may be a leftover

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  • StillJill

    From afar, it looks like TEPCO’s playing, “hide the dirty diaper”, and many of us are running around looking for it. I’m off to procure some silly survival food stuffs.

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  • ocifferdave

    This is my back up source of daily “enenews-like” info. Alas, no comment section that I can see. Enenews ftw!

    http://radioactive.eu.com/

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  • dpwozney dpwozney

    A possible different theory as to why hydrogen gas is formed is as follows:

    As larger atoms break apart (fission) into smaller atoms, the smaller atoms can no longer hold as many neutrons as the larger atoms could. The excess neutrons attach themselves to protons in nearby molecules, and peal off those protons from the nearby molecules, thus forming the heavier isotopes of hydrogen (deuterium and tritium).

    (See this link for a chart (Fig. 1.1) showing how, as the proton number of the nuclides increases, the neutron number increasingly exceeds the proton number:
    http://www.onafarawayday.com/Radiogenic/Ch1/Ch1-1.htm )

    As larger atoms break apart (fission) into smaller atoms, the excess neutrons need to find some place to go.

    If cooling water is available, the excess neutrons may attach to the hydrogen isotope protium (containing no neutrons) in the water molecule to become the hydrogen isotope deuterium (containing one neutron) in the water molecule, or to become the hydrogen isotope tritium (containing two neutrons) in the water molecule.

    If cooling water is not available, some of the smaller atoms, that the larger atoms need to break apart into, may include deuterium or tritium which then form hydrogen gas, thus giving the excess neutrons some place to go.

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  • arclight arclight

    oh and b and b was responding to a load of now deleted posts with jon jon being a bit overpostytestingstuffout…sort of thing…hope that answers your query!! b and b has not lost it…..yet!!!! lol

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  • ocifferdave

    arclight, any luck getting more info on getting kids outta Japan? Know of any that have done that? How’s that working out?

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  • Hydrogen check ordered at No.2, 3 reactors
    *VIDEO*
    Japan’s nuclear safety agency has instructed the operator of the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to check if hydrogen is building up in its No.2 and 3 reactors.

    This is after the Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, recently detected hydrogen in a pipe leading to the …
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/26_02.html

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  • BreadAndButter

    Just type what you have to say.
    Stop testing. Please.

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  • arclight arclight

    ocifferdave thats a good question…..mark :) no bold for you then??

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  • ocifferdave

    b>Wierd wild stuff. But hey! At least we have new posts to comment on finally!!!

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