Comments to John Burton, No Reply
by Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
www.christianresearchservice.com
February 25, 2010
He bills himself as a "zealous revivalist" and a prophetic messenger to the church. He is an author, conference speaker, and a familiar face on YouTube.
But despite his seemingly busy schedule, John Burton is an ambitious but minor league player within the "prophetic movement"--minor because his efforts in the spiritual are eclipsed by starry-eyed icons such as Todd Bentley, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, and Bill Johnson, to name a few.
And, like Bentley, Joyner, Jones, and Johnson, John Burton is a staunch defender of heretics and false prophets, and a painfully poor apologist for the hyper-Charismatic "prophetic movement".
"G" or "g"???
When time permits, John Burton ventures into Bloggerville where, in some cases, he encounters those so-called grumpy, cantankerous, hate-mongering, mean-spirited, rascally-rapscallions--better known as "heresy hunters."
Heresy hunters, a term originally coined in the early 1990's by Paul Crouch, founder of the infamous Trinity Broadcasting Network, better known as Hereticalville, the hangout for hyper-heretical heretics.
Years ago, Paul Crouch blew a gasket when discerning Christians confronted him for stating he is a "little god." While Crouch wooed and soothed the TBN bobbing heads by placing emphasis on the little "g," he made a big boo-boo when he failed to tell them that there are no capital letters in the Hebrew alphabet.
Nonetheless, big "G" or little "g" is beside the point, due to the fact that God's written word teaches that Paul Crouch was not, is not, and never will be a "god" (Deuteronomy 4:35-39; Isaiah 41:4; Isaiah 43:10-11; Isaiah 44:8; Isaiah 45:5-6; Isaiah 45:21; Hosea 13:4; Joel 2:27; John 1-14; John chapter 8; John chapter 10; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8; Revelation 1:4-8).
The position of God is reserved for the God of the Bible. Everything else is fabricated, manufactured, and pipe-dreamed.
Speaking with forked tongues
Indeed, some of the statements John Burton has scribbled down in blogs is enough to hoist red flags of discernment atop the heads of "heresy hunters" with a resounding ZZZZZZZT!
Heresy Hunters, better known as discerning Christians, are those who refuse to cower down when the puffed-up wolves huff and puff and howl their false teachings, false prophecies, and damnable blasphemies into the ears of the gullible and unwary.
Odd that those who make it their life's work to hunt-down and eliminate heresy hunters stand guilty of the same things they accuse the heresy hunters of doing. In other words,
He or she who speaks with a forked tongue, and accuses others of speaking with forked tongues, is a forked tongued hypocrite.
Besides, discerning
Christians don't
have to hunt heresy,
for heresy reaches
out with its own
forked tongue and
dares them to do
something about it.
For it is only right for me to feel
this way about you all, because I
have you in my heart, since both in
my imprisonment and in the defense
and confirmation of the gospel, you
all are partakers of grace with me
(Philippians 1:7).
The worst is yet
to come
While
many facets of the hyper-Charismatic "prophetic movement" are
heretical at best and cultic at worst, there is hope for
individuals, families, and friends who have fallen prey to those
Jesus referred to as ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing
(Matthew 7:15; Acts 20:27-31. See also "Is This About Us or About
Him" at
http://www.erwm.com/UsOrHim.htm ).
Furthermore, because a false gospel, false spirit, and false "Jesus"
is deeply imbedded within the hyper-Charismatic movement, and
because no one can be forgiven, saved, sanctified,
and redeemed by that which is false, those involved must turn away
from the false, run to the truth of God's written word, repent of
their sins, and serve the real Jesus of the Bible.
The "prophetic movement" is
wild and pathetic. Its "leaders" are governed not by God's written
word, but by their clever wit, imaginations, fantasies, illusions
and delusions, inventiveness and fabrications. It does not represent
orthodox Christianity. It will only worsen until Jesus returns.
To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled
and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their
conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their deeds
they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for
any good deed (Titus 1:15-16).
The
following comments to John Burton were written by Bud Press, and
posted on the Slaughter of the Sheep blog on February 15, 2010 at
3:20 pm. Bud's comments are based on reading Burton's writings and
studying his methods of communication with others.
For the
rest of the story and John Burton's comments, please refer to
"God-ka and the Yum Rum of Heaven" at http://tinyurl.com/yh9jfh7 .
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There is more,
but now it’s my turn.
During our
discussion in 2008, I asked you to "please show me one
Scripture in the Bible where God approved of a 'poor
prophecy,'" and, "Also, where in Scripture does it say or
even imply that prophecy ‘must be practiced and learned just
like any other gift[?]'" Then, I asked you the following
questions:
1. Specifically,
what is a false prophecy?
2. In light of Deuteronomy 18:21-22 and Matthew 24:24, when
is someone considered a false prophet?
You tried to
wiggle around the questions and sidetrack the issues, but I
kept asking. Then, within the same thread, you stated the
following comments, which made my stomach woozy and my hair
stand up on the back of my neck:
"Basically, New
Testament prophecy is not God's very words, but rather it’s
the report of something God reveals to the Christian.
The 'report' is the fallible part as it’s transmitted via
human words after human processing."
It appears our
discussion has mysteriously disappeared from the internet.
If it hasn’t, please provide the link(s) so everyone can
read it in context.
John Burton, it
is obvious you haven’t changed, only worsened. You are still
hyper-sensitive, self-serving, and self-righteous, and
continue to play your "Jedi mind tricks," so to say. So,
stand back as I come out of the gate with my hair on
fire–traveling at mach 2.
Having read your
writings and studied your methods of communication, I am not
a bit surprised that you jumped into this blog with your
"Now little children" attitude, your exclusive and elitist
mentality, and your "honoring others" who differ garbage.
And because of your self-appointed superior "anointing," you
expect everyone to fall at your feet and shout, "SHEEKA!" "BOOMBA!"
"BAM!" and "I’ve seen the light!"
Furthermore, you
and your fellow wolves want Christians everywhere to
actually believe that the God of the Bible is working
through and blessing the efforts of John "Blasphemous
Beatnik" Crowder, Benjamin Dunn, Brandon "Apostate Pirate"
Barthrop, David Vaughn, and Patricia King–all of whom are
hyper-heretical, blasphemous apostates!
In addition, to
see the logical conclusion to turning against God, go to
http://breakerclothing.com
and scroll down to "The Apostolic Birdie" tee-shirt, which
carries a depiction of "Jesus Christ" delivering a middle
finger to all onlookers. This particular blasphemy is
courteous of Brandon Barthrop’s website, which recommends
Breaker Clothing.
Indeed, all
who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse,
deceiving and being deceived (2 Timothy 3:12-13).
John Burton,
read this article at
http://tinyurl.com/ydbnghk
and let me know if you agree or disagree with Brandon
Barthrop. Straightforward answers will be greatly
appreciated.
And you actually
believe in a worldwide revival prior to Jesus' return? HA! 2
Timothy chapter 3 and 2 Timothy chapter 4 says it "ain't"
going to happen. In fact, we "ain't" seen nothing yet. It’s
going to get worse.
John Burton, you
use the term "non-absolutes of scripture" to avoid dealing
with the issues, and do your best to condition people into
your cultic mindset. You probe and answer questions with
questions. You use words such as "slander" and "rip at
people" and "Pharisee" and "Saducee spirit" to try to
intimidate and belittle God-fearing, discerning Christians.
You play wiser
than God, and attempt to smooth-over damnable blasphemy by
terming it a "different view" and "differing
interpretations." You play subtle mind-games with your
gullible followers, then try the same tactics on discerning
Christians. You continue to dance around the issues and
downplay the authority of God’s holy and inspired word.
And YOU have the
unmitigated gall to say, "How arrogant."
John Burton, I
write this not necessarily for you, but for others who
contribute to this blog, as well as the lurkers out there
who may be caught-up in the so called "prophetic movement."
It is a movement which clearly teaches that there are no
absolutes and no false prophets, just prophets who shout,
"Whoops! I made a mistake, but I’m still a prophet of God!"
THEN, when the
heretics and false prophets are held accountable and exposed
publicly for what they said and did publicly, they and their
followers shout "Heresy hunter!" and "Stop attacking God’s
anointed!" and "Stop judging!"
HOGWASH! Double
HOGWASH!!
Here is a news
flash for you, John Burton: One can’t be a false prophet, a
false teacher, and a Christian at the same time. Take a
serious look at 2 Peter 2:1:
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as
there will also be false teachers among you, who will
secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the
Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon
themselves (NASB).
Did you notice
the words, "even denying the Master who bought them"? That
is exactly what false prophets and false teachers do. They
DENY the real Jesus Christ! They DENY the authority of God’s
written word! They DENY solid, Bible-based council and
correction! Why? Because they think they have a
corner-market on God, and consider themselves superior to us
poor, widdy-bitty believers, of whom they think have lost
their way.
Don't kid
yourself, John Burton. Wake up! God has zero tolerance for
false prophets and false teachers. There is no fellowship
between God, false prophets, and false teachers (Jeremiah
23:31-32; Ezekiel 13:9; Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Peter 2:1). And
God will deal with them severely at His appointed time
(Matthew 7:21-23; Revelation 20:11-15).
I have seen the
damage false prophets and heretics cause to the spiritual,
physical, and mental welfare of their followers. Some
recover to serve the real Jesus of the Bible. Others go into
seclusion--shipwrecked and feeling betrayed--nursing their
pain and sadness, taking months or years to recover.
Then, there are
those whose hearts are filled with anger and hatred over
anything that resembles "Christianity" They not only blame
Christians and God, they actively campaign against God and
the Bible, and cause others to stumble and mock God in the
process. It is a vicious cycle and a whirlpool that leads to
destruction.
There are former
Charismatics in this blog who have suffered the effects of
the hyper-Charismatic movement. They have been shunned by
family and friends, not because they turned their backs on
Jesus Christ, but because they knew something was wrong and
had the courage to stand strong for Jesus Christ and the
truth of His word. One minute they were "loved" and smiled
upon, the next minute they were written off as apostates.
The treatment
they encountered from their family, friends, and pastors is
identical to what a Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness experience
when they realize they have been hoodwinked and deceived.
Why? Because Satan overshadows, oppresses, and even
possesses those in the cults. He does the same with heretics
and false prophets (2 Peter 2:1-3; Galatians 1:6-9; 2
Corinthians chapter 11; John 8:44).
One cannot be
controlled by the angel of light and be the light of the
world at the same time (2 Corinthians 11:13-14; Matthew
5:14-16).
John Burton, I
am glad you took the time to post in Slaughter of the Sheep,
because you have provided an open window into the mindset of
a wannabe prophet and a bona fide false teacher. You have
given the readers a prime example of how blind and deceptive
the pathetic "prophetic movement" is.
You have demonstrated what happens when someone worships a
false "Jesus," preaches a false gospel, and is led by a
false spirit.
It is the same
mindset found within the cults, where it doesn’t matter what
the false prophets say or do, because they are ruled by
their feelings, emotions, and "supernatural experiences."
This they do instead of studying and trusting in God's
written word. Heretics and false prophets carefully
condition their followers to accept virtually anything that
spews from their mouths.
Incredibly and
unfortunately, there are those who believe you and your
fellow heretics over and above God’s written word. You claim
to have a direct pipeline to God, but you wouldn’t know
proper Biblical interpretation if it kicked you in the seat
of your pants!
I pray that you
will wake up and smell the stench of the movement you are
involved in, and run to the nearest exit. But to do that,
you must repent of your sins and be willing to lose
everything for the real Jesus Christ. For to lose everything
for Christ is to lose nothing and gain everything.
In the meantime,
I pray that God will be merciful and draw your followers
away from you and the savage wolves you associate with (Acts
20:27-31; Ephesians 5:11-12; Matthew 15:8-9).
Finally, should
you choose to reply to this post, keep in mind that I have
grown a thick skin over the years, and wear insults and
persecution as a Badge of Honor for Jesus Christ (Isaiah
41:10; Psalm 27:1; Ephesians 6:10-20).
May God have
mercy on your wretched soul.
And have mercy on some, who are doubting; save
others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have
mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the
flesh (Jude 2:22-23).
ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God and profitable
for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in
righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate,
equipped for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17, emp.
added).
For the WORD OF GOD is living and active and
sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the
division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and
able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart
(Hebrews 4:12, emp. added).
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John Burton:
Remember me? I remember you. We had a discussion on your blog in 2008 concerning Stacey Campbell’s so called "prophecy" over Todd Bentley and her so called "apology," where she tried her best to wiggle out of an obvious false prophecy.
Since then, the hair stands up on the back of my neck when your name is mentioned. After reading your comments in this thread, the hair on the back of my neck is dancing a jig.
Frankly, I am surprised that you would slither into this blog, knowing it is inhabited by a bunch of crazy "Pharisees" and "heresy hunters" and some who are "down right mean." Perhaps you are here on a mission of mercy to rescue us poor souls from sound doctrine and proper Biblical interpretation.
Your being here reminds me of the Apostle Paul’s inspired words in Galatians 2:4-5:
But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage. But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
You come across as gentle and pastorial, then comment elsewhere that "some" of the "people" in this blog are "down right mean."
Since I saved our comments from 2008, I felt this would be a golden opportunity to share a few excerpts from the discussion for all to see.
First, your comments, then mine.
-- "There are a lot of people out there who shout 'false prophet’ from the rooftops at the slightest controversial remark. They are immature in their understanding of the prophetic, and that immaturity is doing a lot of damage in the church."
-- "I do believe the Lakeland Outpouring is exposing the Pharisees… those who shout Bible verses like a scholar, but who attack people God loves. They arrogantly presume their biblical insight is superior to anothers."
-- "There’s a huge difference between false prophecy and poor prophecy. False prophecy is demonic and is meant to mislead. Poor prophecy is due to our human weakness. We can fail."
-- "Prophesy is a gift and it must be practiced and learned just like any other gift."
There is more, but now it’s my turn.
During our discussion in 2008, I asked you to "please show me one Scripture in the Bible where God approved of a 'poor prophecy,'" and, "Also, where in Scripture does it say or even imply that prophecy ‘must be practiced and learned just like any other gift[?]'" Then, I asked you the following questions:
1. Specifically, what is a false prophecy?
2. In light of Deuteronomy 18:21-22 and Matthew 24:24, when is someone considered a false prophet?
You tried to wiggle around the questions and sidetrack the issues, but I kept asking. Then, within the same thread, you stated the following comments, which made my stomach woozy and my hair stand up on the back of my neck:
"Basically, New Testament prophecy is not God's very words, but rather it’s the report of something God reveals to the Christian. The 'report' is the fallible part as it’s transmitted via human words after human processing."
It appears our discussion has mysteriously disappeared from the internet. If it hasn’t, please provide the link(s) so everyone can read it in context.
John Burton, it is obvious you haven’t changed, only worsened. You are still hyper-sensitive, self-serving, and self-righteous, and continue to play your "Jedi mind tricks," so to say. So, stand back as I come out of the gate with my hair on fire–traveling at mach 2.
Having read your writings and studied your methods of communication, I am not a bit surprised that you jumped into this blog with your "Now little children" attitude, your exclusive and elitist mentality, and your "honoring others" who differ garbage. And because of your self-appointed superior "anointing," you expect everyone to fall at your feet and shout, "SHEEKA!" "BOOMBA!" "BAM!" and "I’ve seen the light!"
Furthermore, you and your fellow wolves want Christians everywhere to actually believe that the God of the Bible is working through and blessing the efforts of John "Blasphemous Beatnik" Crowder, Benjamin Dunn, Brandon "Apostate Pirate" Barthrop, David Vaughn, and Patricia King–all of whom are hyper-heretical, blasphemous apostates!
And, if anyone reading this doubts my words, please feel free to fry your eyeballs on "BLASPHEMY INCORPORATED: Terms and Catch-Phrases of the Ungodly" at http://christianresearchservice.com/Blasphemy_Incorporated.htm .
In addition, to see the logical conclusion to turning against God, go to http://breakerclothing.com and scroll down to "The Apostolic Birdie" tee-shirt, which carries a depiction of "Jesus Christ" delivering a middle finger to all onlookers. This particular blasphemy is courteous of Brandon Barthrop’s website, which recommends Breaker Clothing.
Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived (2 Timothy 3:12-13).
John Burton, read this article at http://tinyurl.com/ydbnghk and let me know if you agree or disagree with Brandon Barthrop. Straightforward answers will be greatly appreciated.
And you actually believe in a worldwide revival prior to Jesus' return? HA! 2 Timothy chapter 3 and 2 Timothy chapter 4 says it "ain't" going to happen. In fact, we "ain't" seen nothing yet. It’s going to get worse.
John Burton, you use the term "non-absolutes of scripture" to avoid dealing with the issues, and do your best to condition people into your cultic mindset. You probe and answer questions with questions. You use words such as "slander" and "rip at people" and "Pharisee" and "Saducee spirit" to try to intimidate and belittle God-fearing, discerning Christians.
You play wiser than God, and attempt to smooth-over damnable blasphemy by terming it a "different view" and "differing interpretations." You play subtle mind-games with your gullible followers, then try the same tactics on discerning Christians. You continue to dance around the issues and downplay the authority of God’s holy and inspired word.
And YOU have the unmitigated gall to say, "How arrogant."
John Burton, I write this not necessarily for you, but for others who contribute to this blog, as well as the lurkers out there who may be caught-up in the so called "prophetic movement." It is a movement which clearly teaches that there are no absolutes and no false prophets, just prophets who shout, "Whoops! I made a mistake, but I’m still a prophet of God!"
THEN, when the heretics and false prophets are held accountable and exposed publicly for what they said and did publicly, they and their followers shout "Heresy hunter!" and "Stop attacking God’s anointed!" and "Stop judging!"
HOGWASH! Double HOGWASH!!
Here is a news flash for you, John Burton: One can’t be a false prophet, a false teacher, and a Christian at the same time. Take a serious look at 2 Peter 2:1:
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves (NASB).
Did you notice the words, "even denying the Master who bought them"? That is exactly what false prophets and false teachers do. They DENY the real Jesus Christ! They DENY the authority of God’s written word! They DENY solid, Bible-based council and correction! Why? Because they think they have a corner-market on God, and consider themselves superior to us poor, widdy-bitty believers, of whom they think have lost their way.
Don't kid yourself, John Burton. Wake up! God has zero tolerance for false prophets and false teachers. There is no fellowship between God, false prophets, and false teachers (Jeremiah 23:31-32; Ezekiel 13:9; Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Peter 2:1). And God will deal with them severely at His appointed time (Matthew 7:21-23; Revelation 20:11-15).
I have seen the damage false prophets and heretics cause to the spiritual, physical, and mental welfare of their followers. Some recover to serve the real Jesus of the Bible. Others go into seclusion--shipwrecked and feeling betrayed--nursing their pain and sadness, taking months or years to recover.
Then, there are those whose hearts are filled with anger and hatred over anything that resembles "Christianity" They not only blame Christians and God, they actively campaign against God and the Bible, and cause others to stumble and mock God in the process. It is a vicious cycle and a whirlpool that leads to destruction.
There are former Charismatics in this blog who have suffered the effects of the hyper-Charismatic movement. They have been shunned by family and friends, not because they turned their backs on Jesus Christ, but because they knew something was wrong and had the courage to stand strong for Jesus Christ and the truth of His word. One minute they were "loved" and smiled upon, the next minute they were written off as apostates.
The treatment they encountered from their family, friends, and pastors is identical to what a Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness experience when they realize they have been hoodwinked and deceived. Why? Because Satan overshadows, oppresses, and even possesses those in the cults. He does the same with heretics and false prophets (2 Peter 2:1-3; Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians chapter 11; John 8:44).
One cannot be controlled by the angel of light and be the light of the world at the same time (2 Corinthians 11:13-14; Matthew 5:14-16).
John Burton, I am glad you took the time to post in Slaughter of the Sheep, because you have provided an open window into the mindset of a wannabe prophet and a bona fide false teacher. You have given the readers a prime example of how blind and deceptive the pathetic "prophetic movement" is.
You have demonstrated what happens when someone worships a false "Jesus," preaches a false gospel, and is led by a false spirit.
It is the same mindset found within the cults, where it doesn’t matter what the false prophets say or do, because they are ruled by their feelings, emotions, and "supernatural experiences." This they do instead of studying and trusting in God's written word. Heretics and false prophets carefully condition their followers to accept virtually anything that spews from their mouths.
Incredibly and unfortunately, there are those who believe you and your fellow heretics over and above God’s written word. You claim to have a direct pipeline to God, but you wouldn’t know proper Biblical interpretation if it kicked you in the seat of your pants!
I pray that you will wake up and smell the stench of the movement you are involved in, and run to the nearest exit. But to do that, you must repent of your sins and be willing to lose everything for the real Jesus Christ. For to lose everything for Christ is to lose nothing and gain everything.
In the meantime, I pray that God will be merciful and draw your followers away from you and the savage wolves you associate with (Acts 20:27-31; Ephesians 5:11-12; Matthew 15:8-9).
Finally, should you choose to reply to this post, keep in mind that I have grown a thick skin over the years, and wear insults and persecution as a Badge of Honor for Jesus Christ (Isaiah 41:10; Psalm 27:1; Ephesians 6:10-20).
May God have mercy on your wretched soul.
And have mercy on some, who are doubting; save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh (Jude 2:22-23).
ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17, emp. added).
For the WORD OF GOD is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart (Hebrews 4:12, emp. added).
Bud Press
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