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Alabama Legislature bill to examine cutting pension benefits for new hires

Published: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 8:00 AM     Updated: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 8:17 AM
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MONTGOMERY, Alabama - Top-ranking state lawmakers said they want the Legislature early next year to debate plans to reduce pension benefits for newly hired teachers and other public employees, plans that could save the state billions of dollars in coming decades.

"I think everything has to be on the table," said Speaker Mike Hubbard, R-Auburn, leader of the state House of Representatives.

Hubbard said he and Sen. Del Marsh, R-Anniston, the top-ranking state senator, several months ago asked Retirement Systems of Alabama chief executive David Bronner to provide options for reducing future state pension costs. Bronner delivered a report a few weeks ago.

Hubbard and Marsh said any new pension plans that reduced benefits and cut the state's costs would apply only to new hires at state agencies and public schools, two-year colleges and universities.

"We can't change the rules in the middle of the game for people," Hubbard said. "But this is a long-term problem that we have to start solving now. If we don't, it's just going to exacerbate itself and just be a colossal train wreck."

Alabama's state government in the 2011 fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30, paid a total of $963 million to the state's teachers' and employees retirement systems to help keep them financially healthy. That was an increase of $449.2 million, 87 percent, in five years.

Marsh said he expects to sponsor or push for some revision of the pension coverage for new hires next year, "to reduce the amount that the taxpayers are having to put into this system to make it whole."

Marsh noted that most employees of public schools and state agencies now can retire and start collecting a state pension at any age as long as they've worked at least 25 years. Marsh said he thinks the ability to retire at any age should require at least 30 years of experience for new hires.

That option wasn't one of the ones listed in the report Bronner delivered. It did list options such as requiring public retirees to turn 60 or 65 before they could start collecting a life-long pension.

The report estimated that requiring people to be 65 before collecting a state pension could save the state as much as $6.9 billion over a 30-year period starting in fiscal 2013. It also said switching to that option could reduce the state's projected liability in future pension payments after the 2042 fiscal year by as much as $16.4 billion.

Hubbard noted that state government in fiscal 2011, besides paying a total of $963 million to the state Teachers' Retirement System and Employees' Retirement System to help keep them financially healthy, also paid $11 million into to the related Judicial Retirement Fund.

"That's $1 billion we didn't spend on education, on corrections, on public safety, on infrastructure," to instead "prop up the benefits plan," Hubbard said.

The combined state contribution to the TRS and ERS is forecast to drop this year because lawmakers in the spring ended a costly deferred retirement option and passed a law to make employees of state agencies, public schools and colleges pay more for pension coverage.

Most contributed 5 percent of their paychecks for pension coverage until Oct. 1, when the contribution rate jumped to 7.25 percent of their paychecks. It's scheduled to rise to 7.5 percent in October 2012. The combined state payment to the TRS and ERS, after falling to an estimated $776 million this fiscal year, is forecast to rise to about $873 million in fiscal 2013, and the report delivered by Bronner projects the cost to keep rising for many years.

'Leave it alone'

Paul Hubbert, executive secretary of the Alabama Education Association teachers' lobby, said he opposed changing pension benefits for new hires.

"The more we keep cutting those benefits, the less attractive teaching becomes. We're not overrun with people now trying to clamor to get into the profession," said Hubbert, who chairs the 14-member board that oversees the Teachers' Retirement System.

"I think we've got a good system," Hubbert said. "I think we need to leave it alone."

The teachers' and employees' retirement systems on Sept. 30, 2010, covered 292,365 employees and retirees or other former employees of state agencies and public schools, colleges and universities or related groups.

The report on possible pension plan changes for new hires that Bronner delivered was written by RSA's actuary firm, Cavanaugh Macdonald Consulting in Kennesaw, Ga.

The study makes assumptions about payroll growth and investment returns over three decades. For instance, it assumes that investments built up over the years to help pay future pension benefits will have annual returns of 7.5 percent.

The report did not mention possibly ending defined-benefit pensions for new hires and instead giving them something like 401(k) plans. An employer and employee can contribute money into a 401(k) and the employee can later spend the money plus any investment gains, but a 401(k) provides no guaranteed benefit upon retirement.

The report proposes keeping for new hires the framework of the current defined-benefit pension systems for public employees and retirees, which provide guaranteed pension benefits based on a person's years of service and salary during final years of employment.

Under the TRS and ERS, a public employee can retire with a pension after 25 years' service at any age, or at age 60 after 10 years of work.

For most people, the guaranteed annual pension benefit under the TRS and ERS equals the number of years the person worked multiplied by a benefit multiplier of 2.0125 percent and then multiplied by the person's average earnings over the last three years of employment.

All the options explored in the report reduced the benefit multiplier to 1.5 percent for new hires. Also, their pension contribution would drop to 5 percent of their pay.

The report also looked at the effects of multiplying years of service and the benefit multiplier by the final average earnings over three years, five years and 10 years. Since salaries tend to be higher nearer retirement, pension benefits tend to drop if final average pay is figured over 10 years or five years instead of three years.

Finally, the report looked at postponing pension benefits. Now, someone who starts work for the state at 18 can retire at 43 with a life-long pension.

The report looked at making a person wait until age 65 or age 60 before being able to collect a pension, no matter how many years' experience he or she had on the job, as long as it was at least 10 years.

It also looked at making a person wait either until his or her age and years of work equaled 80 or 85, or until he or she turned 65 with at least 10 years' experience, before collecting a pension.

The listed option that would save the state the most money would require that someone be at least 65, no matter how many years he or she worked, before getting a pension. The option also would base the annual benefit on average earnings over the last 10 years of work.

If the state switched to such a system for public employees hired on or after Oct. 1, 2012, Cavanaugh Macdonald estimated the state's projected liability in future pension payments after the 2042 fiscal year would total $52.4 billion for the TRS and ERS.

That would be $16.4 billion less than the combined liability of $68.8 billion after 2042 under the current system, a reduction of 24 percent.

Stocks and other assets held by the TRS and ERS could be tapped to pay those obligations, along with future payments by the state and by public employees into those systems. The value of existing and projected TRS and ERS assets totaled $25.1 billion on Sept. 30, 2010, according to Cavanaugh Macdonald.

Savings

Trimmed pension plans for new hires also would let the state pay less to the TRS and ERS to ensure their financial health.

Estimated savings from fiscal 2013 through fiscal 2042 would total $6.9 billion, a reduction of 11 percent compared to what the state would pay over that 30-year period under the current system, under the option that no one younger than 65 could get a pension and the final 10 years' average earnings would be used to compute benefits, according to a Birmingham News review of the report.

Hubbert, referring to the report, said, "This is just throwing out a buffet."

But Mac McArthur, executive director of the Alabama State Employees Association, said he thinks state leaders must look at ways to reduce the state's pension costs, to help make sure the pension systems are "sustainable" and will be there decades from now to pay promised benefits to retirees.




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Hoover Honcho October 16, 2011 at 8:16AM

I think everything has to be on the table," said Speaker Mike Hubbard, R-Auburn.

INCLUDING REPEALING THE LEGISLATIVE PAY RAISE!!!

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InsiderTrading October 16, 2011 at 9:08AM

Now, Honcho, you know that everything is on the table, but everything on the table won't come up for consideration. Pay raise? Not mine said the Senator from Alabaster.

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Really? October 16, 2011 at 8:18AM

Here we go. The assault continues. If the state was serious about saving money, along with a raise freeze there would be a promotion freeze and a hiring freeze. Instead they add to management and hire unneeded new people hand over fist.

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supayoda October 16, 2011 at 10:11AM

It also needs to be said that as they cut public workers, they're replacing them with private contractors-- which are exponentially more expensive than the public workers. And yes that includes pension and benefits, and the positions the private workers are replacing are full-time continuous positions. The fact of the matter is that private contracting, long the most popular way to reward political friends, serves the interest of turning a profit at the taxpayers' expense. Public workers, who work for the public and therefore do not need to create a profit for investors or a CEO, are quite a bargain for taxpayers in comparison.

There are now NINE state agencies being run by private contractors. The "claim" that the state is broke is being used as an excuse to cut workers and benefits and shore up more money for their buddies. And it's costing us more money than public workers ever could have dreamed.

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bhamliberal October 16, 2011 at 8:34AM

As with other Republican controlled states, the continuing push to cut spending while protecting the 1% continues.
"I think everything has to be on the table," said Speaker Mike Hubbard, R-Auburn, leader of the state House of Representatives. The regressive tax system which favors the wealthy in this State apparently is NOT on the table. It would be easier for people to accept belt tightening if everyone was tightening their belt, not just the working folks.

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masspike October 16, 2011 at 8:40AM

Alabama just may find it's self with a shortage of teachers, as new grads take jobs in other states.

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1bamanative October 16, 2011 at 9:59AM

Right. Sorry but the FACTS are that most education majors aren't exactly the best and brightest. Couple that with a nine month work year, ample holidays and no weekends, and you end up with a never ending supply of future "teachers."

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supayoda October 16, 2011 at 10:19AM

Hrm... I'm sure if we wanted the best and brightest graduates, we'd be wanting to pay for them. Apparently you WANT the worst and the dumbest, so don't go complaining about the quality now.

Also, you're dead wrong about the work schedule. Plenty of teachers still have work to do over holidays and weekends-- and don't assume that just because kids aren't in the school that teachers aren't. Even if they did have entire weekends off, so do most folks in the private sector.

The old saying that those who can't, teach... I do wonder why that might be. I find that an amusing argument to make for those who want to complain about teachers. Seems to me that we'd want the ones who CAN to teach, but we're certainly not offering the pay to attract them.

(Teachers, I'm well aware that for most teachers it's a calling because you want to work with kids, etc. I made the mistake of doing the same back in college, but after my first classroom sitting during my freshman year, I changed my major. No way would any sane person take your job at the pay you get, and I'm surprised you're not all alcoholics.)

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Dean October 16, 2011 at 10:45AM

As a former educator I heard that argument about working 'nine months' through the years and it is a standing joke among teachers and principals. First, you need to check school calenders, this is not the 50's, most work at least 10 months and most work at NIGHT after returning home. I found, that indeed, many, many are among the "best and brightest." It sounds as maybe your personal failed experience as a student may be clouding what little judgment you might have.

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truthandpeace October 17, 2011 at 1:43AM

Dean October 16, 2011 at 10:45AM

“It sounds as maybe your personal failed experience as a student may be clouding what little judgment you might have.”

It sounds to me, as though 1bamanative, was unable to get a teaching job in the State of Alabama, and now he HATES all teachers, because, he couldn’t become one of those Teachers in the Alabama Public Schools, isn’t that a more likely scenario, Dean?

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5pointsJoe October 16, 2011 at 8:50AM

I think once the State Legislature eliminates their Pension Benefits then they can start looking at other places to cut.

Lead by example.

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TodaysOpinion October 16, 2011 at 9:31AM

It has to be better than what JefCo gave us this year. (I'm a teacher). Next month my salary gets cut 0.25% and they are going to keep cutting till we get to 7%. Now, I get this money back when I retire and its pretax. But, I sure would like to hold on to it in my own 401K. This goes on top of all the other changes: This year our medical benefits have been cut. We (in Jefco) have $100 for our classroom supplies and our schools have received NO money for upkeep and supplies. So, I'm reaching into my pockets to get the supplies my kids need, with lower pay, more expensive medical benefits, and now my retirement... Hubbert, it we are comparing it to a buffet, perhaps a soup kitchen?

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1bamanative October 16, 2011 at 10:02AM

Welcome to the real world. The company I work for has a 401k to which I contribute. The company matches a pittance of that contribution. I also pay $600+/month for my family's health insurance.

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supayoda October 16, 2011 at 10:20AM

So... Your reasoning is that because you have less that instead of trying to get more you should instead make other people have less.

How very socialist of you.

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TodaysOpinion October 16, 2011 at 11:03AM

1bamanative: I agree with ya! Life is expensive! Jefco doesn't match my contributions though, what I put into the pension is what I have. They just keep it in the pension until I can retire. I sure do wish it was a 401k.
supayoda: I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying I should quit my job and try to make more money at another one? I mean I could do that. I'm quite a good teacher though. I'd like to remain a teacher. However, I almost personally fund my classroom because we don't have the supplies we need.

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