26 October 2011 @ 06:59 pm
Sockpuppetry in Doctor Who fandom? The IPs suggest so!  
I give thee a tale of claimed sockpuppetry, fake Flickr children and Cam's mini IP investigation.

So according to this report on Fandom Wank, [info]jeprdyfrndly has been caught posting a picture of kids she says are hers, but is in fact an old picture of someone else's kids from 2006.

And then it goes on to claim [info]jeprdyfrndly is in fact a sock of [info]amberfocus, pointing to a few curious facts, including that [info]jeprdyfrndly's life seems a little too perfect and that she is always on hand to rec [info]amberfocus - who is also the only one who seems to have interacted with her in real life.

The easiest way to prove sockpuppetry would of course be matching IP addresses. And what do you think I managed to find? If you guessed matching IPs, you get a cookie!

Basically, I mod [info]time_and_chips, as some of you know. Which logs IP addresses, for various reasons, which does include being aware of sockpuppetry. I poked through various posts and I give thee:

Jeprdyfrndly's IP from a rec post last year. (Large)
Just her comment with the IP. (Small)
Amberfocus' IP from a Page-a-Mod question in 2008.
Just her comment with the IP.
The two comments together so you can easily see the IPs are the same.

ETA: Here are three more comments of her's showing the same IP: one, two and three.

Sockpuppetry? The IPs certainly suggest it!

(I would probably find more matching IPs if I bothered looking further, but T&C; was a very busy comm back in the day and had a lot a lot of posts, so yeah. If you find posts with comments from either, I can check the IPs, just link me.)

ETA 2: [info]jeprdyfrndly has been deleted. [info]amberfocus posts a vague 'people are mean' which seems to imply I am a photoshopping bitch (one of several? Hard to say since it's so vague) and others are just bitches.

Which 1) If you wanna say it, say it. Passive aggressive is blah 2) I have no beef with [info]amberfocus, so why would I bother? Seriously, what the hell would be my supposed motive to go to all that trouble? 3) I have very little skill at photoshop or graphics. There is a reason I bribe people to make icons and other graphics 4) Pretty sure that said IP can be confirmed elsewhere 5) Deleting [info]jeprdyfrndly looks a lot like covering tracks 6) Oh, come on.

But actual friendly advice here: If you want to keep posting fic, just keep your head low and post that - people will let it go since it was a relatively harmless thing, and plenty of people seem to enjoy reading said fics. Claiming it was all a conspiracy against you - now that is more likely to get remembered much longer.
 
 
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( 54 comments — Leave a comment )
Elisa[info]falena84 on October 26th, 2011 05:12 pm (UTC)
You sneaky sneak. All those years crime telly watching weren't a waste of time after all. :P
Elisa[info]falena84 on October 26th, 2011 05:12 pm (UTC)
*of
(no subject) - [info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 05:20 pm (UTC) (Expand)
♫  michelle ♫: game - (sansa) the rules start now[info]marcasite on October 26th, 2011 05:18 pm (UTC)
Ooh tricky, very tricky.
Camilla Sandman: Michael - something as good as you happe[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
Indeed.

As sockpuppets go though, it's a rather harmless one. Not used to bash or flame others or anything. Almost cute.
(no subject) - [info]marcasite on October 26th, 2011 05:29 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 05:40 pm (UTC) (Expand)
bibliodragon: Dinky[info]bibliodragon on October 26th, 2011 05:20 pm (UTC)
Funny, I was just reading that on Fandom Wank.

It'll turn out it was the nanny. It's always the nanny.
Camilla Sandman: Act like I'm stoned[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 05:28 pm (UTC)
Of course. It's what nannies do, after all. Must be a requirement to graduate nanny school.
whyawhelk[info]tencrush on October 26th, 2011 05:51 pm (UTC)
Oh, thank you for this. I am reading the journal of this wondrous and perfect life as we speak, it is truly a thing of beauty.
Camilla Sandman: All your love is belong to us[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 05:59 pm (UTC)
Does read rather like wish fulfillment, doesn't it? It's almost cute.
(no subject) - [info]tencrush on October 26th, 2011 06:03 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Doctor Science: fandom compass[info]mecurtin on October 26th, 2011 05:54 pm (UTC)
The IP is in Bellingham, Washington (Comcast Cable). Just FYI.
Camilla Sandman: Friendship[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 06:02 pm (UTC)
Ah, thanks. Didn't think to look it up. Have no idea if either of them claim to live there, as I've never interacted much with either outside of comms.

Handy to have if it should come up :)

Edited at 2011-10-26 06:02 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tencrush on October 26th, 2011 06:06 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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A.j.: amused[info]aj on October 26th, 2011 06:26 pm (UTC)
*shrug* Meh. As long as she's not being a weird asshat and courting internet sympathy with TALES OF WOE, SEND MONEY HERE...

As you say, it's kind of cute. Lord knows Fake!A.j. has a dog, a well-paid job, and an apartment with a really big bathtub. (I MISS BATHTUBS.)
Camilla Sandman: Michael - underwear[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 06:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's why I'm not feeling much outrage. If she was a friend and had been lying to me, I might have been a bit miffed, but eh. Mostly rather amused by it. If the (very likely) sockpuppet has been used to dodge rules on the comm I mod, I will be a bit displeased, though.

Fake!Cam would so have a harem of men, a hammock and be 10cm higher. (Damn you, highest kitchen cabinets!)

Edited at 2011-10-26 06:52 pm (UTC)
kaffyr: Solemn River[info]kaffyr on October 26th, 2011 06:55 pm (UTC)
I'm sad to hear this, largely because it suggests that the person involved is very lonely. As others have said, it seems to be relatively harmless, though. My day seems a little more grey now.
Camilla Sandman: Gwen - shawl[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 07:20 pm (UTC)
*shrugs* I don't know, sometimes we all like to engage in fantasies even if life is fairly tolerable. Though most probably settle for just daydreaming.
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Yamx[info]yamx on October 26th, 2011 07:09 pm (UTC)
*shrugs* So?

From what everyone says, she's done nothing more self-serving than reccing her own fic from another account. No flaming, no asking for money, etc.

Honestly, this feels like it's none of anyone's business and shouldn't have been dragged into the limelight so Fandom Wanker's can point and laugh. She's not hurting anyone. Even professional authors often have more than one pseud.
Camilla Sandman: Nikita/Michael - this is your family[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 07:38 pm (UTC)
I found it of note. *shrugs* I don't see it as a case of pseud - like a writer having one user name for writing in one fandom and one for another, or for a kink meme or whatever. Then they would just be kept separate, perhaps with little detail about real life given. Here it's quite elaborate and with some (probable) lies that seem gathered to get sympathy (difficult pregnancy, for instance).

Though as you say, no flaming. Probably why no one has gotten angry about it, though some friends of her might not be happy about being lied to, if that is indeed the case (which seems quite likely).
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ghost2: Evelyn disapproves[info]ghost2 on October 26th, 2011 08:05 pm (UTC)
It's... very weird. Looks like she's pretending to be her own beta, pretending to be a different person who comments on her non-existent friend's posts, and reccing her own fic under another name. Plus, even though "[info]jeprdyfrndly" has publicly admitted that the posted photo of her twins (if they even exist) is not hers, she hasn't taken it down or edited/locked/deleted the post where it appears.

If [info]jeprdyfrndly indeed does not exist, she hasn't done anything majorly evil, but she HAS lied to and misled other people. Not nice behavior.

Camilla Sandman: World Domination[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 09:34 pm (UTC)
It is weird. Not quite sure what you'd get out of it, but I guess it must be something. Seems a lot of work for it, though.

And yeah, this is certainly not the worst case of sockpuppeting I've seen (like the infamous MsScribe - now that some vile shit), but it ain't on the level.
alexeia_drae[info]alexeia_drae on October 26th, 2011 08:40 pm (UTC)
As sock puppetry goes this is at the low end of the scale. I don't think she's completely harmless though.

By taking the photo and saying it is hers that would be plagiarism and potentially harmful to the photographer who originally took it. Further I'd be ticked if someone took a picture I'd posted of my son and claimed my son was hers. She may not be a big drama llama or asshat but she's not completely innocent either.
Camilla Sandman: Norway fjord[info]misscam on October 26th, 2011 09:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, those parents might not appreciate it being used like that. Might be other stuff the (very probable) sock has done as well that isn't on the level - I've never been on either's flist, so I wouldn't know.

So yeah, definitely not the worst case - but as I said above, not on the level, which is uncool.
phdelicious: DW_9[info]phdelicious on October 26th, 2011 11:32 pm (UTC)
I don't condone sockpuppets but this one seems pretty minor. I never really did more than read her fic though, so I'm not personally involved.
Camilla Sandman: Nikita[info]misscam on October 27th, 2011 09:55 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's certainly not in the league of MsScribe. Which is why I found it more curious than anything. Not the use of a sockpuppet you normally see - kind of a fascinating use of one.

Don't know her or read her fic, so yeah. Not personally involved either. Hope people who do know her personally don't take it too badly.
(Anonymous) on October 27th, 2011 08:19 pm (UTC)
Did you check the other beta too?
Just wondering?
Camilla Sandman: No spoilers![info]misscam on October 27th, 2011 10:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Did you check the other beta too?
Sorry, no. I only checked amberfocus and jeprdyfrndly, as those two were the ones people reported as being the same person. I am pretty sure at least one of her other listed (occasional) betas is a different person (she's been around in other setting), and the other one she credits from time to time I don't know at all. *shrugs*
Re: Did you check the other beta too? - (Anonymous) on October 27th, 2011 11:28 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Did you check the other beta too? - [info]misscam on October 28th, 2011 01:36 pm (UTC) (Expand)
The Hyacinth Girl: Mood: Wanky[info]fallingtowers on October 28th, 2011 12:59 pm (UTC)
As others have already said - this sockpuppet was such a comparatively harmless one, someone's daydream of suburban perfection in LJ form (the puppet's life did read like a really sub-par fanfic). The only people hurt by it are [info]amberfocus's friends and those of her sockpuppet. If I were one of them, though, I'd be pissed. Everyone makes a small lie every now and then, but to pretend to be someone you're not? Beyond the pale.
Camilla Sandman: Nikita/Michael - not going to lose me[info]misscam on October 28th, 2011 01:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, pretty much. To me, it was more a weird thing, but I do have friends in common with her. Their call how they want to deal with it, though.
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