Cheryl #1

According to the information available (and the interest of sanity)


Law Enforcement did not rule out a possible connection between the LISK case and the Canarise, Plum Island or Lattingtown cases. In ongoing investigations police will not share certain crucial information with the public.  In addition,  unfortunately,  some reports are more careful and accurate than others.


What is known is this:  Bodies of women were and are being discovered in a definite geographical area.


Most serial killers, male or female , do not travel between between states. Instead they operate in a “comfort zone” of familiar territory.  The  exceptions to this rule would be a person who is in the military, itinerant (laborer) a truck driver or homeless.  In the case of a trucker there would be several sites used;


but these new discoveries have not yet been ruled out, and they are contained in the same definable area. There’s also similarities in the victims. They’re women and some things don’t add up. There is a disparity between the condition of the remains, the position of identifying items found and how long they were there in relation to Hurricane Sandy.


One body was discovered on an uninhabited island accessible only by boat, leading me to assume the person who disposed of the body operated a boat.


He does not however have to work alone.


Serial killers often work in pairs


Bruno & Bianchi (Hillside Stranglers);
The Birners (husband enlists wife into his thrill killings);
Charles Ng & Leonard Lake;
The Copelands, Faye & Ray (1980′s) senior citizens when they began.


This list goes on and on.  Point being, it’s not unreasonable to think that two could be involved  here with one of them disposing of the remains.


Then there are group killers.
People assume that the more involved the greater the possibility of a weak link.  I believe the opposite can be true.  If there is a group  and if these murders are committed  - in part – to strengthen that group, then this secret IS their bond.


The Chicago Rippers:  Targeted tortured and killed young women (to heinous to describe).
The Mansons:
Charles Manson, a 5’2″ runt  and loser who could only con a vacuum with a brain.  But vacuum heads are out here;
Four Pi
An off shoot of a church that began in California in the late ’60s and by the mid 70′s had made it’s way to New York. Middle aged men recruiting young adults was a feature.
Both Charles Manson and David Berkowitz  are tangentially connected.


If,  in fact,  a group is s(somehow) involved, I strongly suspect that one member will eventually slip up, be apprehended and charged.  Afterward, the case will remain open but cold as is the case with “Son of Sam”


If it is a lone killer, the longer he remains uncaught the more his confidence increases.  Thrill killing  is an addiction, nevertheless, it’s still  difficult to kill and dispose of bodies.  Over time and as his addiction increases – along with his sense of impunity – he may take shortcuts and eventually make mistakes.  It seems (to me at least)  he may now be seeking attention as well.  That may also cause a miss step and, hopefully, lead to an arrest.


But perhaps not.   It’s not true that SKs cannot stop killing PROVIDED, HOWEVER,  there is a significant change in his personal life or (more likely) he substitues that addiction for another.


Shannan Gilbert said “They” and in my humble opinion, I believe personally, she was chased by more than one person, abducted, and taken off the premises.  Unfortunately without that security camera information we can’t know the who, what or when.


Calling up a hooker (no disrespect) was no more than a delivery service.  Pak had no part in this and was nothing more than a useful idiot.


This is a huge case, there are a lot of possibilities and like minded people find each other



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  1. M.D. Rice on February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
  2. @MD
    They were all strangled – and gay. No forced entry. It’s safe to say there is a serial killer on the loose in the gay community around Manhattan and Queens. I agree with comment that the police are downplaying this. I don’t know if it ties in to this case – but unfortunately it could.
    The victims described tended to be older, so I will assume the killer was casual pickup, somewhat younger and in very good physical condition. It takes tremendous strength chock a grown man to death – and it’s an unusual choice. Tying someone up is awfully elaborate. Seem to me there’d have been torture involved.
    SK make stranger choices as time goes on. One from women to a little boy (both are fragile I suppose).
    I always felt there was a bi sexual aspect going on. The common thread between gay men and young women is the feminine. Chocking is intimate

  3. Cheryl#1 on February 14th, 2013 at 5:46 am
  4. MD
    Interesting how none of the main stream NYC papers picked up this story. You really had to fish -and even then…

    The school teacher, Benzinger from Middle Village Queens was found strangled at the Crown Motor Inn in Elmhurst ,Queens

    Victim, David Rangle (53) was from Jackson Heights, Queens.

    Both Queens locations are very close to the Long Island Expressway.

    Two days later, on January 26th, Charles Romo, (48) was tied up with a bag over his head in (his apartment?) Hamilton Heights Manhattan (West Harlem). I’m very familiar with the area. It’s very quiet and established; beautiful/ elaborate brownstones. City College faculty members live there.

    Were these men into BDSM? If so, that would explain why one of them was found tied up.

    Again, if SK is on a mission to kill what he finds slutty or dirty, then a call girl to a casual hookup is no stretch at all and if he is bisexual the gender won’t matter. What matters is killing what he is attracted to (obviously) and finds dirty.

    Attention Girls and Boys: Casual Hookups.
    You might as well be wearing a sign!

  5. Cheryl#1 on February 14th, 2013 at 8:28 am
  6. Now we know that the motive was robbery – all after the fact and thanks to shoddy reporting.
    Leave it to a gay paper to get the details of this incident right.
    Lleuyel Garcia, 23, has been charged with strangling Joseph Bensinger, 54 a motel in Elmhurst Queens AND stealing is wallet and cell phone.

    One down.

  7. Cheryl#1 on February 14th, 2013 at 9:37 am
  8. Now it turns out they were lovers for years; he was beaten to death and the cell phone and wallet were taken to tamper with evidence.

    This is an example of the kind of slip shod reporting we are left to contend with.
    Too busy trying to get it first than to get it right!

  9. Cheryl#1 on February 14th, 2013 at 10:32 am
  10. Cheryl,
    That still leaves two unsolved ones. Maybe they will be as simple to solve? I certainly hope so.

    And I agree, what is it that people dont understand about casual hook ups and endangering their stupid lives? I just cant get over how many times this still happens, because apparently, some people just never learn.

  11. M.D. Rice on February 14th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
  12. MD

    Unless Garcia went on an rampage they can’t pin them on him; and Hamilton Heights and Jackson Heights are no where near each other.

    People want to party. They just want to get lucky enough to find themselves a Mr. GoodBar.

  13. Cheryl#1 on February 14th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
  14. wasnt there a gay serial killer just caught,up that way.a real young guy?cant remember his name but he chopped them up i think.or was that in canada close by there.

  15. wanda on February 14th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
  16. it actually sounds like a lover with a lot of lovers with one very jealous lover.

  17. wanda on February 14th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
  18. It was a jealous lover.

  19. Cheryl#1 on February 15th, 2013 at 6:29 am
  20. Sadistic Killers are into Extreme Play – and no “safe words”

  21. Cheryl#1 on February 15th, 2013 at 6:38 am
  22. I shouldn’t say this but I’m going through 2nd hand smoke with drawl, from the air in the streets, it’s horrible and I’m mad/evil.

    How is this not a public health issue again??


    If you don’t know what BDSM is, don’t start with a stranger you pick up someplace.

    BDSM is S&M – Sadomasochism.

    It is the giving and receiving of Pain and Humiliation.
    The BD tacked on to this later stands for – Bondage and Dominance.

    So experiment with someone you trust. NOT some stranger you meet online or in a bar!!!
    Don’t think you know what this is because you read “50 Shades of Grey”
    A Sadistic/ masochistic relationship; is not a harlequin romance with bondage
    And if you’ve been on the scene a while, you already know better.

  23. Cheryl#1 on February 15th, 2013 at 7:57 am
  24. I sounds boring , I know, but what can I say….

  25. Cheryl#1 on February 15th, 2013 at 8:43 am
  26. No Cheryl,
    You do not sound boring. You hit it right on the money. Too many naive Mary Poppins types running around thinking they know how to walk the walk because they talk the talk. You are very wise to make the distinctions and explanations that you have and maybe it might save someone some serious pain or injury.

  27. M.D. Rice on February 15th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
  28. Cheryl is 100% right everybody. You are not, repeat NOT, going to find anything near what BDSM really is in a romance book. And if you go looking to try to find some fictional representation of a very lurid and sometimes ugly world, what you find may not just be emotionally harmful, but physically as well. Use your head for more than a hat rack. Common sense is FREE.

  29. M.D. Rice on February 15th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
  30. “50 Shades of Grey” is to S&M what “Pretty Woman” was to prostitution. A fairy tale.

  31. Cheryl#1 on February 15th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
  32. yeah well i am not a touch person anyways,i dont like to be man handled,but i cant stand the creepers touch a soft,slow chilling one.and i have mother issues and cant stand for her to touch me either.i feel like i didnt get love and attention as a child,no use in trying to start now.she use to beat me unmersively and to ask her today about it,she will say she never done such a thing,everything was flowers and sun shine.which leaves me with a really anger management dont tell anyone i said but i am good now.i control most of my physical anger i would like to dish out to people.but my mouth not so much :) i cant stand it,when men hit women.makes me want to kick their back in the day,i could put a few big boys i am fat and old and probably couldnt whip my way out of a wet paper so now i just call the cops on people i see abusing others.i think people who abuse others like that,are weak,and more than likely treated like that themselves.but the madness has got to stop somewhere.those kind are just one step closer to trying to kill someone,cause what happens after you get bored with it,you look for something harder.just like drug addicts.

  33. wanda on February 15th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
  34. Wanda
    I understand perfectly about sadistic parents.They’re calling it narcissistic personality disorder these days. Apparently it really is a brain malfunction that effects 3% of men and 1% of women ( something like that). They really don’t remember their abuse. But that doesn’t help the children whose lives they’ve destroyed, and IMO enjoyed doing. It’s also on the rise but the truth is, it’s now finally coming to light. It must be far higher than that.These mothers (and fathers) have a way of always looking good while they tell anyone who’ll listen that the child they’re destroying in secret, is a bad seed. Daughters of abusive mothers have difficulty forming relationships with other women throughout their lives. People with NPD used be called psychotics before they got fancy. The prisons are loaded with inmate who have NPD . All predators have NPD.

  35. Cheryl#1 on February 16th, 2013 at 5:29 am
  36. IDK.

    You have GOT to forgive them. You can’t let them win!

  37. Cheryl#1 on February 16th, 2013 at 5:33 am
  38. wanda,
    Im a woman and I aint so bad. =]
    I would make you like me. LOL.

    In all seriousness, wear your survival like a badge of honor because thats what it is. You are one of the lucky ones, the strong ones, who did not let it destroy your life like so many other people do.

  39. M.D. Rice on February 16th, 2013 at 10:54 am
  40. MD
    You are one of the most unusual women I’ve ever been in contact with. That is meant as a compliment.

  41. Cheryl#1 on February 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am
  42. That was a great email, Cheryl, and some great discussion that followed!

    I did find, though, in the early reports that SG said, “He,” and that it was NOT JB.

    Going off pure memory the quote is something like, “She was heard on the 911 call running and saying ‘Get away!’ and ‘He’s going to kill me’, the police have the name and it wasn’t the john.” (Again, that is PURE MEMORY, not the actual quote. I’m too lazy to search for where I read that at the moment.)

  43. mysterymom7 on February 16th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
  44. Cheryl,
    I would say the same about you, and with just as much of a compliment meant. =]

  45. M.D. Rice on February 16th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
  46. Here are some things I have always been puzzled about, but I have never discussed about this case. They have to do with Amber Lynn Costello.

    Of all the girls at Gilgo, Amber is the one that I hurt the most for. This poor girl had her issues, that is apparent, but she was also used, abused, and taken advatadge of at every turn from those who were supposed to care for her, starting in the sex trade from the time she was 17 years old. From what I can understand, Amber moved to NY at the behest of her sister, KO, who is also a prostitute–although I think she calls herself “escort” (as if they were different I guess?) Anyway, I don’t know how true it is, but I have seen references to KO and Amber advertising doing sister calls, I cant remember if it was on Craigslist or some other site. I even saw a picture from what was supposed to be the ad and it sure looked to me like Amber in that picture with KO. At any rate, if that is true, that is pretty damn twisted. Even if it isn’t true, from what KO said in interviews, she and Amber talked practically daily right? And if they were doing these sister calls, they would presumably have seen each other very often as well. In either case, when Amber left her rental home to go to the call that she disappeared from, her roomate said that she told him, “If my sister calls, tell her I love her.” I find that to be pretty bizarre. If I am going to the grocery store I dont tell my husband if my parents call while Im gone tell them I love them. You see what I mean? It is almost as if she were trying to overly give the impression that she was not going to be in the company of her sister (e.g. giving the impression that her sister would definitey not be in her company because she was talking about her calling while she was gone). Which brings up the roomate. When Amber did not come home, he didnt call the police, he called her sister. Why? Amber was supposed to have went missing on September 2, 2010, but guess what? No one, not one single person, had reported her missing. She had even been reported missing when her body was found in December, not by her supposedly loving sister, nor her roommate, nor her “boyfriend”.
    The only information that anyone has to go on is the story given by the roomate and the sister as to her whereabouts and the last time she was seen that they give as September 2. What I want to know is, if they cared so much about her, why the hell did not one of them report her missing for over 3 months interval in between when she went missing and those bodies were found. If the bodies hadnt been found would they ever have reported her missing? None of their stories make sense to me. Maybe I am just too suspicious, maybe I just cant see clearly in Amber’s case because her story touches me more deeply than the others due to how horribly she was abused and misused and taken advantage of, I dont know. What do you guys think?

  47. M.D. Rice on February 16th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
  48. Cheryl,
    By the way, here is something you might find interesting. The DSM V was going to remove NPD, but then they reversed the decision. So, as far as I know, it is set to be included but with revisions to diagnostic criteria. Here is a comparison of the old and new criteria, you have to scroll down a few pages to get to NPD.

  49. M.D. Rice on February 16th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
  50. check this serial killer out and he is from the same state as my POI

  51. wanda on February 17th, 2013 at 2:36 am
  52. IN THE STORY THEY FOUND HIM BY HIS SHOE,HE LEFT AT THE SCENE.caps sorry.why would you leave 1 shoe of yours at the scene?all the bodies were posed,and i am wondering how they were posed.remember that one working girl who said a guy had a fancy with her shoes,she had the creeps from him rushed him on,and gave him her shoes?all those girls were posed.i think he may be part of the group i have been saying.he resembles one of the guys that came after me while i was on vacation.looks like him in the face,but the one of 2 that came there had more hair and growed a beard like.but was about that age might be the same guy.
    at chyrl i try to forgive my mother,but she still has the psycho ways,she tries to mess in my life all the time,and i think she does remember she just says she doesnt so she can get a reaction out of me.since she cant beat me anymore,she trys to find ways to make me miserable.and i try my best to stay away from her.i check on her,talk to her some very short periods of time because of her actions.
    thx md i usually like everyone,till they start acting crazy lol.

  53. wanda on February 17th, 2013 at 2:51 am
  54. mysterymom

    According to 48 hours (both airings) especially the first one with attorney Robin Sacks, Shannon said “They”. Interesting how some other info previously aired has since been edited out.

    JB didn’t chase anyone.

    IMO, Shannan was captured approximately where her clothing was found, taken off of the premises and later discarded a few feet off Ocean Parkway.

  55. Cheryl#1 on February 17th, 2013 at 5:41 am
  56. MD
    I thought it was awfully strange too that her room mate never reported her missing after so much time had passed. But according to a newspaper about the “hobbyists” website on Long Island. Johns went to that house and were ripped off, repeatedly.
    Amber did Incall. The johns would come over, pay upfront and the boyfriend (roomate?) would come home, “catch” them and chase them out the a baseball bat. It makes sense that room mate had pretty much figured out what happened but didn’t want to get involved in an investigation.

  57. Cheryl#1 on February 17th, 2013 at 6:03 am
  58. It seems that this whole case (situation) may lean towards a cult of some kind. Plain and simple.
    He or they, are not just planning to meet a prostitue, he or they obviously are dismembering their bodies and God only knows what he had done to them? In order to, (and sorry not to be graphic) has to have the means of cutting them and dismembering them, somewhere?

    I personally believe that SG may have been running from the police…it doesn’t make sense that LE took so long to respond and that when she was told by Colletti that he had just called the police, she ran off. Shannon was not stupid, she graduated at from HS at an early age, 16, yes she may have been intoxicated, but she was aware enough to call 911 screaming out for help…for her life. That just plain sucks to NO END. Imagine calling 911 in hopes that someone is going to help you, you don’t know where you are and you are incapable of explaining what’s going on. Clearly she was scared to death. A lot of this part of the story doesn’t make sense. Brewer had others at his house the night of her disappearance. Who were they? Why aren’t/weren’t they brought up or discussed?

    As far as the other girls, this guy or group had to be someone who had enough charm in order to gain these girl’s trust and had commited his “dates” late in the evening, or early mornings, i.e.; 1 am, 2 am etc…which means he was either in a job that could be easily used to get away at those times. He had to be in a relationship, otherwise; he may have picked an earlier time. But then again, Brewer also called Shannon up to meet at 2am, so who knows. It’s interesting that these “dates” are very late at night.

    There is a lot of mentioning about Plum Island and cult activity in the Hamptons area. A few of the bodies were found years ago in Manorville and then after being discovered, the killer’s dumping ground became further west in Gilgo, Jones beach etc.

    The burlap bag from what I’ve read is not a readily used and common type of burlap in that many used are made of a polyester material. The one found on these bodies was a cloth burlap, used more in the landscaping field.

    I’ve also read comments about victims being used as slaves, and again, this is difficult to say, but we don’t know how long these girls were alive and we don’t know really what happened to them…but we do know they were mutilated and dumped in various sites. This would lead one to believe that this monster had the resources of a basement in which to keep them, or some kind of an area out of sight before disposing their body parts. He possible may have a freezer. There was also mentioning of dogs involved in this cult.

    I’m sure I am all over the place on this, but it angers me that this is one of the most horrific homicide crimes on Long Island and nothing is being done. There are so many unanswered questions. Are we going in the right direction? Or is there something we are missing.

    With everyone putting out something of importance and credible facts, we can hopefully find something to point us in the right direction. I’ve read so many ridiculous posts on here it makes me wonder about people sometimes.

    Remember that these girls were young, troubled and the way that they were treated by the authorities, leaves me feeling very bad for their families…let’s all try and stay focused on the imporant issues and not write about the weather :) as in other posts.

    ps…I posted this in the other “posts” just thought I would copy and paste here, too.

  59. kelly on February 17th, 2013 at 8:16 am
  60. @Kelly

    It’s possible that SK could change his MO from dismembering to dumping, especially since the parts hadn’t been found. In addition, there could be at least two and of them uses burlap. I also think one of the killers kept these women alive for a time they were killed.
    He then kept their remains until they could actually be put into a bag, and then he placed them where he could pass by them on a regular basis.
    I strongly believe there is more than one.
    The particular burlap the bodies were wrapped in is all natural. Most “burlap” is mixed with synthetic material.
    Natural burlap is used by landscapers. I tend to believe that one of the killers works out of doors and operates a truck and boat and who has access to restricted or remote areas without causing suspicion.

  61. Cheryl#1 on February 17th, 2013 at 8:58 am
  62. Clarification: Sticky keys
    One of the killers keeps the victims alive for a time. Then, he holds on to the bodies until they’ve decomposed, puts the remains into bags and places them in an areas he can either access or pass by regularly.

  63. Cheryl#1 on February 17th, 2013 at 9:28 am
  64. MD
    Thank you for sharing that information. Many people seems fall into those categories. I’ve known them since the day I was born.
    NPD now seems to be hereditary. But since they ENJOY the pain and sadness they inflict on others, it’s hard for me to determine where mental illness ends and and evil begins. Because I know that smirk,. It’s not mean. It’s evil.
    Schizophrenia is one thing. That’s a painful mental illness. Hearing voices, hallucinations etc. I am sympathetic even if it lead to a criminal act.
    But Narcissistic Personality Disorders? They are the evil among us the Bible talks about. They’e the people born without the capacity for honesty which even AA acknowledges, “there are such unfortunates, they seem to have been born that way”"
    They’re parasites. The will prey on the host until the host dies.
    Diagnosis aside, if these people are not evil, then who is evil?

  65. Cheryl#1 on February 17th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
  66. Cheryl,
    If I am honest, this very thought has come to me about those with NPD as well:
    “Diagnosis aside, if these people are not evil, then who is evil?”
    I do not like the word “evil” but knowing the things I know, it is very hard to argue with your statement. Even hard core criminals usually have lines they wont cross, I have never seen sign of such a line with those with NPD. They will do exactly whatever they want, to whoever they want, without any thought or care of the consequences to that person and for no other reason than that they want to do it.

    I would say to you this, lady: Some people are poison. And, family or not, any interaction with these toxic people needs to be either very limited or cut off entirely.

  67. M.D. Rice on February 17th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
  68. MD
    Yes. Even hard core criminals can truly love their families, even they draw the line at using their children for recreational cruelty; and they’re capable of empathy. Even the worst of them have a conscience – (sooner or later at least)
    But NPD people are cowardly. You’ll find that they never – ever completely stand on their own. Authoritative – yes, but they always have/need someone around them to lean on. And if challenged, they’ll either hide behind them, feign ignorance or if need be, have a heart attack ….anything but show a spine.
    Nauseous making.

  69. Cheryl#1 on February 17th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
  70. You’ll know when you’ve been in the presence of one. You’ll walk away hollow.

  71. Cheryl#1 on February 17th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
  72. Cheryl,

  73. M.D. Rice on February 17th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
  74. On other subjects…

    I really hope that the LISK is indeed a serial killer as you suppose he is (or they are, whatever). I hope that I am wrong. I pray that I am wrong. Because if I am right and this is the type of person I think it is, for the reasons that I think, then the person who is responsible for the death/disposal of the four girls found at Gilgo I fear will not be caught unless, like Kuklinski, 30 years later he just gets tired and sloppy and starts leaving an easy trail. To clarify, I don’t necessarily think that there was a paid crime of a hit for money thing with these girls, there may have not been any money that exchanged hands at all. Maybe so, I dont know, but I am not sure about that. What I am reasonably certain of is that either the person who killed these girls is not the person who disposed of the bodies and cleaned up the evidence/signature, or if there is only one person involved he is not a serial killer. I believe that for whatever reason someone wanted these girls gone, and someone took care of the problem for them. I am still not sure of specifics, but logically this is where my research is pointing. But, I really hope that I am wrong. Because if the type of person I think is involved in this truly is, in all honesty, I don’t think he is going to get caught unless he makes a really really bad slip up because he is just too smart, too methodical, and too coldly logical about it all.
    So, I really hope that you guys are right and he is just a run of the mill serial killer and, soon, Anji Marth will be doing his portrait because he will identified, caught, and sentenced.

  75. M.D. Rice on February 17th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
  76. wanda,
    I keep going back and looking at Derek Richardson’s photo because for some bizarre reason his face is familiar to me. I am horrible with names and other semantic details, but faces and voices I remember. I cant find any other cases reported that he was involved in but I still think I have seen his face somewhere.

  77. M.D. Rice on February 17th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
  78. wanda on February 18th, 2013 at 5:32 am
  79. oh guess it is just a bad thought it was news.but it goes about like that which is really creepy.

  80. wanda on February 18th, 2013 at 5:40 am
  81. now that i look at him again,i dont think he was one of the guys who came after me on vacation.but i do think he looks similar to guy was in his 40′s the other younger look something like dereke,but more stocky like and a littler bushier hair.more hill billy style.dereke could be his younger brother.or not,many ppl just look a like

  82. wanda on February 18th, 2013 at 6:06 am
  83. MD

    My Dear,

    I agree that it’s reasonable to assume that more than one is involved. There may – easily – be two. It’s unreasonable to assume, that the person involved in the disposal of the bodies did not also take part in the “thrill killings”.

    And not a serial killer?

    Then what about the phone calls to Bethany’s sister? Who was Amber Costello speaking to numerous times before she left – permanently? Who spoke to Shannan’s sister questioning her about whether or not a police report was filed; in a “comfortable, controlled” voice?

    The only thing those girls had in common was Craigslist, desperation, gullibility and in a couple of cases, a wanna be pimp, boyfriend. In other words Easy Prey.

    That is because predators (again yes) know who to target ( yes again).

    I said before more than one is involved – and one of them disposes of the bodies.

    I will assume the one with all the charm and phone calls – lures the girls in.

    But they may also alter the way they solicit girls.

    What happened at JB’s that night. Who else was there? How many were there? What are their names?
    Shanna said “let go of me ” , “take your hands off me” – while in flight- and just before her cell went dead (refer to 48 hrs.; broadcast #1 , Robin Sack (or Sax)).

    Who were “They”?

    It’s my opinion, Mr.Wonderful with the gift of gab, isn’t the one dumping dead bodies off the side of the parkway . But the one who is, likes to be able to pass by them frequently and can do so easily because he works out of doors.

    So there may be (at lease) two, but they are certainly BOTH serial killers.

  84. Cheryl#1 on February 18th, 2013 at 7:20 am
  85. @Cheryl/MD

    its the dsiposal of the remains that makes me believe this is SK behavior.

    lets says this is a kuklinski type, he did a pretty crappy job. always IMHO these remains could have been disposed of with no evidence of a crime at all..again just my gut..this guy like to visit


    if you could be a bit more specific..what “type” of individual are u talking about??

  86. linda on February 18th, 2013 at 11:50 am
  87. Cheryl,
    I agree with most of what you are saying. This is the distinction, to me, as far as serial killers go:
    For serial killers, the goal is not death. Death is an unavoidable side-effect.
    For other killers, the goal is death, and everything else is a side-effect.
    To further elaborate: With serial killers the goal is a certain need that has to be fulfilled by ritualized behavior which originates in fantasy, rape, control, fetishes, pedophilia, sadism, piquerism, such as these are the goals. With other killers, death is the goal (whether by shooting, stabbing, poison, bomb, whatever) and anything else that occurs is incidental. With serial killers, signature is evident–but with other killers certain behavioral aspects can be hidden in the crime because it is all relative to MO, not signature.
    In the particuar instances that you named, about the phone calls, that brings me back to one of two things: a) the person who made the calls is not the person who disposed of the body and cleaned up the crimes, or b) the person who made the calls was purposefully trying to mislead the police by portraying certain behavioral characteristics that were not present. This is just what I think, Cheryl, Im not saying its true. In fact I hope to God it isnt. What Im saying is, to me the whole situation of the four girls at Gilgo is just too clean. Even the smart serial killers do not leave crimes this clean.

  88. M.D. Rice on February 18th, 2013 at 11:59 am
  89. linda,
    See, thats what I thought at first. That this was a sloppy disposal. But when you look at it closer, it is anything but. There are so many variables that were taken into consideration that it is mind-boggling. Don’t forget, these bodies were found by total ACCIDENT.
    The individual that I see doing this is extremely intelligent, not just smart but tactically smart, military or pseudo-military training, well versed in logistics, meticulously dressed no matter what the attire type, clean cut, and either a pilot or someone who travels by plane a lot. I think that there is a good possibility he could also be either formally or non-formally trained in the making/disposal of explosives and incendiary devices This is all I have right now, I do not want to extrapolate on things I cant point a direct finger to evidence for.

  90. M.D. Rice on February 18th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
  91. Oh, I forgot one thing: He is very comfortable outdoors and may have a job that requires a lot of time spent outdoors and is an avid hunter/fisherman/outdoorsman.

  92. M.D. Rice on February 18th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
  93. MD
    As I said, I do not think that the person who made those calls is the same person who disposed of the bodies. I do believe that they worked together. To a further point, the caller who said ” I know were you be at” is probably that same caller who deliberately changed his speech pattern to cause confusion.
    I also believe that the victims were kept alive somewhere for a significant period of time. And that, in some cases, their remains were stored for some time as well.
    MO’s change over time. Dismemberment is difficult, perhaps burlap was easier; or possibly dismemberment ceased to be gratifying;
    and two serial killers. working together, do not have to share the same goal.
    Strangulation is certainly the ultimate in control. You can bring the victim back from the point of death repeatedly.
    But I suspect that the victims suffered more than just strangulation. I believe they were also tortured; with strangulation being the final cause of death. With the bodies so badly decomposed and police withholding information, an outsider can’t know exactly what these women went through.

  94. Cheryl#1 on February 18th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
  95. It’s a serial killer and the guy likes to visit. What else do you need?

  96. Cheryl#1 on February 18th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
  97. MD
    We agree. One of the killer has a job that requires he be outdoors and so is very comfortableoperating in this environment.
    I tend to think in terms of Grounds Keeper/ Parks Department.

  98. Cheryl#1 on February 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
  99. @Md

    Don’t think the disposal was “sloppy”..if decomposition occurred elsewhere, and the dump spot was not the actual crime scene…idk..with the passage of time, there would be vry little actual evidence…

    i think the disposal is part of the trophy mentality if u will. I believe alot of time was spent with the remains, and i HOPE they were remains..for this to be some “kind” of hitman…again and always MHO

  100. linda on February 18th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
  101. and what of this black suv coletti saw that night..not enough known by public…

  102. linda on February 18th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
  103. @Cheryl/MD

    Where is all this pre-disposal activity going on?? not under the wife and kids noses?? although stranger things have happened..

  104. linda on February 18th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
  105. the same burlap?? used over and over? crime after crime..spanning yrs…??

  106. linda on February 18th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
  107. linda,
    I have a lot of experience going through research of serial killer cases, as well as other types of cases, and in the specific area of witnesses near crime scenes. Many times people want to help so much that they give information that can lead an investigation in an entirely wrong direction, or the information itself is correct it is just not relative to the case. The further one gets away from the actual crime, the less integrity the evidence has. Witnesses, particularly those who report seeing vehicles, should not be considered as top of the line evidence–regardless of their character. This is why eye witness reports (unless they are of a victim) are not ruled as definitive evidence in most court cases.

    You mention that it is not known what, if anything, happened to these girls other than their death. That is my point exactly, Cheryl. We don’t know. There is no signature, only MO. Compare this to the case in Atlantic City, where signature is very apparent.
    Signature is those aspects of a crime that are not necessary for the crime to be carried out.

    Modus Operandi is the methods by which the crime was carried out.
    In the case of the four girls at Gilgo there is nothing that can be distinguished from MO:

    nude: clothing removed to prevent detection/slow down identification/speed up decomp
    all identifying materials removed: To prevent detection/slow down identification
    location of body placement: To prevent detection/slow down identification/speed up decomp
    bodies in burlap: To prevent detection/slow identification/speed up decomp
    mode of death: to prevent detection

  108. M.D. Rice on February 18th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
  109. linda,
    he wouldn’t need a big area. Just something big enough to transport a body and an area reasonably private for the death itself. It could be as simple as a work shed and a cargo van.

  110. M.D. Rice on February 18th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
  111. MD
    I have to agree with Linda on this. In some cases time was spent with the remains with the items and clothing more than likely trophies.
    Additionally, those bodies were not discarded, they were deliberately placed close to one another and carefully concealed in burlap.
    The site itself was a shrine.

  112. Cheryl#1 on February 18th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
  113. The beach area itself will cause anything to decompose quickly.

  114. Cheryl#1 on February 18th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
  115. i have noticed that while we discuss serial killers,types groups and our opinions of those.they are making movies about it.which would make me think they are getting the ideas from us.”BUT”,some of these serial killer shows were developed before,this web site came about.just the ones in the last 6 years or so,i would say since the 1st body.and that has me wondering,if one of the killers doesnt par-take in film making.and possible uses what has happened for their movie,series…etc
    for instance the link i posted above,is about a serial killing group from all over,with one guy in prison who is running i know the person that i told this to,has not gone and done that,told anyone it makes me think they do have something with the movie industry. and makes me think i was 100% correct.yes before we had some serial killer movies.but when did they become so plentiful?was it close to the demise of these ladies?

  116. wanda on February 18th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
  117. “Additionally, those bodies were not discarded, they were deliberately placed close to one another and carefully concealed in burlap.”

    I dont think they were sloppily discarded, I do think they were placed where they were placed purposefully, but not for any ritualized purpose. I think he waited to see if the first body was discovered before he placed the second one, then continued on that way, and he placed them close together not for clustering or ritual, but for non-detection. They were found in brambled undergrowth right in the middle of poison ivy. This is not a place conducive to re-visiting the bodies, but it was a damn good place to hide them.

  118. M.D. Rice on February 19th, 2013 at 7:17 am
  119. And, for the record, because I don’t know if I have actually said this before or not, I do not think that the dump site is the crime site. Nothing points to that at all.

  120. M.D. Rice on February 19th, 2013 at 7:18 am
  121. wanda,
    I don’t know if they are more plentiful or if we are just now more aware of them?

  122. M.D. Rice on February 19th, 2013 at 7:20 am
  123. I actually think SK wanted to pass by them.
    The truth is, I cannot know what was going through his head, ritual or otherwise, and with all due respect to you and your extensive research, neither can you.

    It’s a site. The bodies were placed a few feet apart as opposed to scattered along the area. We know what he did; and what he left.
    He can us all about it – after he’s caught.

  124. Cheryl#1 on February 19th, 2013 at 8:17 am
  125. Cheryl,

    What if all four girls were pregnant?

  126. M.D. Rice on February 19th, 2013 at 11:13 am
  127. @Wanda

    Truth is Always stranger than fiction…

  128. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
  129. @All

    What are we thinking about the other remains found at gilgo??

    I know this is a loaded question and not easily answered..we never discuss them..

  130. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
  131. @All

    there are too many bodies…LE must know something. im HOPING.

  132. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
  133. @All

    Going back a few posts: the time the the girls showed up for work is not unusual…in particular, when crack is involved. Ive done no research, but have heard the “story” literally thousands of times.. point being, i dont think the time is relevant..

  134. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
  135. @Md

    As far as signature vs Mo: there MAY be a signature that LE is holding back.

    AS far as MO: With all available literature, movies, technology ect..”one” would be know enough to change that up..confusing LE even more..

    With any addiction, as i TRULY believe this behavior is, he probably must carry certain things out exactly, each time, to be satisfied..but it wouldn’t take a genius to throw a wrench in the works to make things more difficult for LE..

    if im making any sense at all?? he enjoys the “taunt” as much as, if not more than the actual “ritual”..laughing..

    im just throwing ideas out there MUST know i respect you and your method

  136. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
  137. In the end, however. IMHO..”he” wants ALL of his victims attributed to “him”…i believe this with my i saying he ‘wants” to be caught…NO…but i wouldn’t be shocked if there is a signature

  138. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
  139. @Cheryl

    It is also for these reasons, you, i, as well as LE are not ruling “him” out as the AC killer. YES there are differences, but like u said none of us know what makes this “guy” tick..and changing up signature or MOs is still not enough to rule him out..there are also similarities, case remains unsolved, and its not like theres thousands of miles in between.

    If there is “two’, it may not have always been so..again adding to changes in MO..again just thinking aloud

  140. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
  141. MD
    I can’t answer that.

  142. Cheryl#1 on February 19th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
  143. The CLUSTER in these cases may very well be the signature..idk

  144. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
  145. Even if I could; then what? Its like the Atlanta murders. Somebody was killing young black boys. Why? Because they were young black boys. It wasn’t until the he was spotted dumping a body off a bridge that he was caught. Turns out, he was also black, a choir master – and gay. I still can’t tell you why Jim but not Joe.
    Maybe he was crazy.

  146. Cheryl#1 on February 19th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
  147. Linda

    That’s what I’m saying. The cluster and burlap is a signature.
    And I thought for a while that two worked alone and then together. And still, not all of the time. Like I say, in this day and age, like minded people have a way of finding each other.

  148. Cheryl#1 on February 19th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
  149. Your theory would also fit in the cases of the other victims found at gilgo…cannot say for sure of course. But it would be one hell of a sick coincidence if all are unrelated…yes different MOs and signatures. But these things can change over time..particularly if theres more than one..working together at times..

  150. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
  151. I keep going back to ground zero, particularly JBs about like minded individuals..

    Not that im convinced that this “guy” is incredibly bright, but addicts can be cunning, manipulators and the ultimate actors…throw unlimited funds into the mix…not good

  152. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
  153. Perhaps the killer, knowing the cast of characters in that small community, felt comfortable because the list of possible dirtbags is so large..

  154. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
  155. @All

    Does anyone have any new info on the lattingtown victim??

    Anything meaning this: any new info on how long the remains were at that location..not how long ago victim died?? Finding it hard to buy the fact that remains were barely covered by sand, if in fact remains were there over a year

  156. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
  157. @MD

    Im feeling the victims were kept somewhere 1st, as we discussed. I do however have this sickening feeling that ‘he’ stores more than one at a time, placing them not only at a time he feels most comfortable, but to confuse investigators as well..
    Im not so sure the intervals between kills can be determined properly keeping this in mind.

  158. linda on February 19th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
  159. @Linda
    I agree. If the remains are in bag, who knows how long they were store somewhere. I also think these two (or more?) operated together and separately in the same area. It’d still be just one doing the disposals. I say this because I think he’s the one who works out of doors.


    ‘…the killer felt comfortable because the list of possible dirt bags is so large’ (very funny )

    ‘throw unlimited funds into the mix… not good”

    YES!!!!. That’s Exactly IT (IMHO)

  160. Cheryl#1 on February 20th, 2013 at 6:34 am
  161. @cheryl

    NOW i see what you meant by someone else is doing the disposal…takes a while for my light bulb :)

    the cluster of remains is sooo unique however, its possible that the “outdoor” type has been working alone for the last several years.

    Possible the “one” doing the dismembering is working another area…thoughts..

  162. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 7:19 am
  163. The whole idea of multiple killers, having knowledge of each others activities, is becoming much more plausible indeed.

    It certainly would be known that it would make investigating the case MUCH more difficult…yes, i agree like minds think alike..

  164. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 7:27 am
  165. @All

    Although we have discussed Pak, and what we believe are his personality traits and involvement, i still have questions…

    Still not buying he just got freaked and left…wouldnt he go to JBs and say WTF happened, why was she scared??

    Yes, intoxicated people do crazy sry to say, AND MEAN NO DISRESPECT..SG was a veteran drug user..i believe should would be able to handle herself on her drug of choice..

    I think Pak knows a lot more..

  166. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 7:55 am
  167. why would you run from the ONE person who could save you..its a dark, unfamiliar place at that!

    i wonder if he was given a sum of money to leave..

  168. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 7:57 am
  169. would SG pick a wimpy simpleton to be her driver??

  170. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 8:09 am
  171. linda,

    First, with all due respect to Shannan Gilbert, she had really poor taste in men in general. Did you know that the reason they knew throughout the investigation of her missing persons case so quickly if remains they found were hers or not was because she had a titanium plate in her jaw–which she had to have completely redone after her loser boyfriend beat the crap out of her, and she stayed with him! This is not the type of person who uses good sense in picking the people they associate with, and, unfortunately is the type of person that attracts victimizers like bugs to a bug zapper. The fact that she used a “driver” at all speaks volumes. These men are the dregs of society. All her driver cared about that night was not getting in trouble with the law, thats it. He didnt care if Shannan was safe or not. All he cared about was money and not getting arrested.

    Third, Shannan Gilbert was a known abuser of cocaine/stimulant products, and the pharmacokinetics/pharmacodynamics of amphetamine like substances which bind to dopamine receptors is very unpredictable temporally. In other words, there is no absolute way of predicting the effects of any amphetamine like stimulant at any given point in time, even if it is from the same exact origin, much less if it originates from different sources. Add to this a) Shannan Gilbert was bipolar, and b) she may have been taking psychotropic medication to treat said bipolar condition, and you have a recipe for disaster. Because of the collective damage to the neurotransmitter receptors involved, the repeated usage of amphetamine like stimulants increases the chances of stimulant induced psychosis more with the longer the duration (direct positive correlation)–and because Shannan Gilbert was bipolar (and may have been taking medications to treat this) she has factors pre-existing that exacerbate the instance’s probable occurence. Have you ever known anyone with schizophrenia who had a psychotic episode? Well, that is exactly what amphetamine/stimulant product induced psychosis looks like because it is caused by the same thing–dysregulation of dopamine receptors and dopamine production, reuptake, and release. In fact, this observation is one of the major contributers of how the dopamine theory of schizophrenia was discovered to begin with. In someone like Shannan who had additional mental illness (bipolar disorder) the occurence of a psychotic episode would really be more likely to happen than not, and, if anything, I am suprised that it did not happen before this. With the length of the history of the drug abuse, I would just about bet that there were other “incidences.”

    Stimulant induced psychosis is not an uncommon occurence at all, particularly with persons who have comorbid mental illness alongside the substance abuse.

    The police could not find her that night because she was too incoherent to tell them where she was or to stay put until they got to her. She was delusional, irrational, and paranoid–all classic symptoms of a psychotic episode. Everyone who tried to help her that night, she ran from. When you add all this together there is only one logical conclusion, anything else is just speculation.

  172. M.D. Rice on February 20th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
  173. LOL
    I went from First, to Third, sorry for the semantic typo…

  174. M.D. Rice on February 20th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
  175. OK

    Escorts use drivers. In fact, that’s the norm. They (like Shannan) advertise on the back of Craigslist under Adults Jobs. You’ll probably see one there now.

    Too much has been made of Shannan’s was Bi Polar. First off, BP is “a garbage can diagnosis” (said an extremely well respect psychiatrist of 50 years of practice).
    It was the diagnosis of the moment. Everyone from insomniacs to ax murderers were told they had it. Very elastic definition – made to order so to speak.
    If Shannan was on meds and taking drugs, the side effects would be horrific but I doubt she was. Because she had the presence of mind to be this “cash cow” so I will assume she knew how to handle herself with clients.
    She was slipped a drug (IMO), but something still set her off. And she was right to run.
    On the tape she says “take your hands off me” ..etc. while she was running and just before the cell went dead. If Pak had her, where’d she go? Pak was a garden variety driver. Why the Hell would killers trust him?!

    She was chased and that is real. Her remains were found off the parkway – in the same definable area other bodies were found. That’s also real.

    By the way, I wouldn’t believe Brewer if he told me it’s cold in Janurary. Could it be the reason his story doesn’t ad up is because he’s lying – about everything?
    Perish the thought!I

  176. Cheryl#1 on February 20th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
  177. @ linda……… SG was NOT high the night she was murdered. People like GC who never saw her that night have tried to portray SG as a drug crazied lunatic which couldnt be futher from the truth……CPH saw SG running sick and distressed the morning of May 1st 2010 so why wont he give the media the details of this encounter?

  178. Flukeyou on February 20th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
  179. @MD

    i hear everything your saying. I am familiar with crack induced psychosis, and also know a thing or two about mental disorders. We DO agree a mixture of the two cant be a GOOD thing. However, as i stated previously, this is very common behavior in the “game”. Men addicted to crack, prostitutes smoke crack..they go hand and hand. no judgement here is what it is.

    im certain there are quite a few “instances” when people flip out from being high, no doubt. Please do not take this the wrong way, believe it or not, for those in the “life”, this is everyday stuff, and IMHO most involved can “handle” their dug use…using the word handle very LOOSELY.

    I’m certain that sounds extremely ignorant..however i know for a fact, when working for a pimp, a girl that caused a scene like that repeatedly..could literally get beat to death. Even when working for oneself, one must be able to make a living..get paid and called back.. PLEASE understand, i find this lifestyle to be beyond sad, tragic and dangerous!!

    However, this a logical possibility..but again ONLY a possibility. If not for the fact that all these other remains were found (those identified,addicted prostitutes) i might jump to the same conclusion.

    But i just can’ facts to back up my feelings..just too darn coincidental..


    I guess i just wonder if Pak was paid to leave quietly, possibly reassured by “someone” they would make sure she was found..again just my ramblings..what a piece of shit he is!! i don’t know a lot about drivers..i guess i assumed they were there to assure safety..

  180. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
  181. I can only assume people dont talk to the media because their attorney advised against ones talking to media “involved” that night..thats my guess..many innocent people are advised not to speak to media, however i have no clue what motivates anyone

  182. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
  183. linda,
    The argument that you are giving is that of an addict, not an objective reality. The alcoholic who says he can “handle his beer” and causes a five car pile up when he drives under the influence, the crack head who says they can smoke as much crack as they want and quit when they want and do not have the first clue about how the substance works on their body and how they can take the same exact dosage two different times and the second time they can od. Everybody who does drugs thinks they can handle the drugs better than anyone else and not be affected like everyone else. It is part of the cognitive dissonance that goes with addiction.

  184. M.D. Rice on February 20th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
  185. Cheryl,
    For me, the opinion of one psychiatrist does not outweigh decades of quantitative research and clinical practice that reflect the validity of the bipolar diagnosis. You can choose to believe what you want.

  186. M.D. Rice on February 20th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
  187. And by the way, for SG to have had a diagnosis of bipolarity she had to have had at least one psychotic episode in her history NOT related to substance abuse. So, theoretically, she could have had a psychotic episode even if she didnt have any drugs that night.

  188. M.D. Rice on February 20th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
  189. @MD

    I knew i didn’t come across the right way. I use the word ‘handle” loosely meaning: drug addiction and prostitution go hand and hand. If there were repeated times that a certain prostitute flipped out on clients, shed be broke possibly beaten to death…they could be almost comatose, YES..but not a scene maker.

    I do not defend drugs or make light of addiction in anyway..i hope you understand..

  190. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
  191. I think Cheryl said it better..they no how to handle themselves with clients..drugs are very much part of that scene.

  192. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
  193. the accuracy of the diagnosis would also depend on the patients honesty, quality of doctor, and some sober time to observe the person clean..

  194. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
  195. @MD

    i hope you know i mean no disrespect. There are many possibilities to consider. Im grateful for the healthy debate. This is a vry frustrating case, and heartbreaking

  196. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
  197. Cheryl/MD

    most every time its us chatting, at the end of the day, i leave feeling our hearts are all on the same page..we want justice for all the victims.

  198. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
  199. That is very true,Linda. And that is the most important thing. We all want justice for the victims.

  200. M.D. Rice on February 20th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
  201. Much respect Mos Def!!!

  202. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
  203. and thank you BOTH

  204. linda on February 20th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
  205. (Double post so Linda sees this)

    Linda, I really hope you called the cops about that voicemail that was left! It really needs to be looked into because it wasn’t me. We were finally at a good place here. Why would anyone call and pretend to be mysterymom7? I live in FL, not Nassau Co. I’m concerned for your safety. I don’t know who you’ve given your email or phone number to from here, but it’s not anyone I know and it’s definitely not me. I would really appreciate if you gave the police that info because I now have someone impersonating me over the phone.

  206. mysterymom7 on February 20th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
  207. MD
    No you don’t. You don’t have to have even ONE psychotic episode to be diagnosed with Bi Polar disorder.

  208. Cheryl#1 on February 20th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
  209. You do not have to experience any break with reality – at all – to be diagnosed with Rapid Cycling Bi Polar Disorder or any other “type” of Bi Polar Disorder.
    You Do Not.
    Suddenly so many people “have” what was once a grave mental illness that they’re selling Ambilify (sic) and similar prescription medications on TV like aspirin. (But that’s another subject altogether).

  210. Cheryl#1 on February 20th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
  211. And I’m certainly not basing that on one physician. I’m just quoting him.

  212. Cheryl#1 on February 20th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
  213. ^ amen, Cheryl!

  214. mysterymom7 on February 21st, 2013 at 5:54 am
  215. @MM7

    i did talk to cops, they basically had to hold back laughter. I BLAME MYSELF for what has happened. i was given a pamphlet on internet safety, and pretty much broke every suggestion.

    I will no longer respond to any comments that sidetrack the main issue..helping and seeking justice for the victims.

    i APOLOGIZE to all for participating in such distracting behavior. im honored to ‘heard’ on this site.

    although we clearly disagree, we do so respectfully. We never shove our opinions down others throats..

    The situation is so vile to me, so DEEPLY saddening. There are depraved people out there…horror movies made real…for me this is a place to deal with those feelings, gain a small amount of control over something that is more distractions..its disrespectful to the blog, and most importantly the victims

  216. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 6:33 am
  217. When it’s known you have a problem like alcohol, depression, or drugs, even if you’ve arrested it for years, it can always be used against you.
    Shannan had mood swings. Undeniably. But from what I could see of her childhood forward, why wouldn’t she? It was traumatic.
    She was also highly intelligent, finishing high school early and creative; and there is a known correlation between creative intelligence and hyper sensitivity. What was once called “artistic temperment is now called Bipolar.
    People like Shannan often deal with anxiety and depression (BP these days) by self medicating with drugs or alcohol to feel better as opposed to being high.
    The combination of extreme stresses and over sensitivity can cause sleep deprivation and erratic behavior all by themselves.
    Drugs don’t make it any better.
    But again she must have had this under control for the most part. As Linda said, no pimp or driver, is working with an out of control psychotic – because that’s useless. Shannan was making money. Her sister said she was pursuing a singing career and was going to ( or planning to ) attend classes to become a writer.
    Over a year or so ago we investigated roughly how much money Shannan made according to rent, driver, and unemployed boyfriend in other words, bare minimum – and determined it was a nice chunk of change. Had to be. How much of a psychotic drugs user could she be?
    Some people will bring up the past or use your struggles against you if necessary.
    So Pak used her condition against her to explain her away that night. Easy enough since she’s not here to defend herself. Never mind he’s some kind of an idiot who goes around driving an escort who , to hear him tell it, bugs out half the time, screws up “dates” pisses off clients and doesn’t get paid.
    Not buying it.
    Their lying on this girl. Dirty Business.

  218. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 6:49 am
  219. @Kelly
    I said some of the exact same things you did. My bad.

  220. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 7:42 am
  221. Not intentional.

    I said this when I first joined this site – went full circle and saying it again. Parties and group.

    There is a group involved in this. Saying this cautiously.

    I could stretch all the way out and say what I’m feeling. Instead I’ll say what I think.

    Somewhere included in this mess, there’s a group.

  222. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 7:50 am
  223. the cover group: bh, canning, coletti, brennan, gambino, max, arnold, lanzalotta

  224. Flukeyou on February 21st, 2013 at 8:13 am
  225. @ linda…you do realize MD rice = CPH so just keep debating with the LISK…

  226. Flukeyou on February 21st, 2013 at 8:17 am
  227. NO Fluke. No.

  228. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 8:18 am
  229. CPH is on long island getting ready for court…..what do T&E Canning, B brennan, Gus, B hackett and C hackett all have in common?

  230. Flukeyou on February 21st, 2013 at 9:31 am
  231. Lisa G Newman: No. 01NE6225439

  232. Flukeyou on February 21st, 2013 at 9:33 am
  233. Between u and MM7…you have accused all of us being the LISK, not just here but everywhere…ive counted at least 15 people between here and WS..your credibility is shot..and in your heart you know none of us care or pay attn.. I have NOTHING BUT THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR will NEVER BE ABLE TO CHANGE ANYONES MIND..peace..i actually believe u work for the reasons are clearly laid out by your “friends’ at WS…people that could have supported your theory, were it not for your superior, disrespectful tone….all is lost…all you have is MM7..i only pray you havent tainted the jury with your non-stop mantra..why even bother here when you know no one cares..

  234. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:57 am
  235. I’m sorry you were laughed at, linda! Cyber-based crimes have not been taken seriously in this decade. Do the police think we’re seriously inviting harassment just by speaking publicly online? If I were you, I would go back in my email history and figure out who I gave my phone number to. Or if you have your number on Facebook… ?

  236. mysterymom7 on February 21st, 2013 at 10:02 am
  237. you are a defense attorneys dream..and according to you, you’re a huge intellectual…you know its the truth..taunt me all you want, but rest assured..i shall never respond to you again

  238. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:03 am
  239. MM7

    i gave my info only support your petition..i will not respond to anything else regarding this matter. as i said this blog is not about me..i want no extra attn drawn to me in regards to this..please?? just respect this one thing

  240. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:07 am
  241. No more personal inside information.

  242. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 10:17 am
  243. In fluke’s defense, he’s only stated that “CPH=LISK”, the other names he’s given are names in the COVER UP of SG’s DISAPPEARANCE (before those named knew SG was dead).

    As far as “friends on WS”, I can’t speak for fluke, but for myself, I wasn’t there to make friends or for a popularity contest, I was there to figure out who killed these people. Was I friendly to the members? Of course, but it wasn’t for any reason other than that I am a friendly person.

    What I don’t do is believe BS and take one person’s word as gold. If you think that LISK hasn’t been reading/writing here or on WS since at LEAST Dec. 2010, you are just being naive. Sorry to say, but that’s just the truth as I see it.

    On this site, it is EXTREMELY easy for “sock puppets” to be used. Don’t take my word for it… read more on that definition of what an internet sock puppet is. Magnotta used sock puppets for YEARS. Since the beginning of the LISK case in the public’s eye started over 2 years ago, imagine how many sock puppets could be used in that time frame.

    I find it HIGHLY SUSPECT that just when the two of us seem to be on a good path, and you came to my defense here that out of the blue you get a voice mail. Who would be motivated to have you doubt me… again?

    Who knows MD Rice? It’s an alias. MD Rice claims to be a woman, yet many occasions sounds like a male. Instead of talking about the current topic, MD Rice writes a long post about other cases. When MD Rice talks about this case, it’s always how it’s not a serial killer, which, by definition, is not the case if only GB4 are brought to the table.

    Again, you should be concerned for your safety.

  244. mysterymom7 on February 21st, 2013 at 10:20 am
  245. @Cheryl

    Im glad you understood where i was coming from..i’m not as eloquent a writer as i wish, and my point gets convoluted sometimes..


    i know i came off sounding ignorant..forgive :)

  246. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:24 am
  247. I respect everyone’s opinion..just dont want it jammed down my throat, and i despise the accusations about everyone..i simply don’t agree, but ive been called nasty names, called ignorant and accused of being LISK..we all have here..its a terrible turn off to all..that is all i have to say..this ground has been covered so many times..i simply cant respond to this anymore..and i am not mad..stuff happens..its over

  248. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:32 am
  249. you’ll also notice that we always say IMO..nobody claims to know anything for respect…there are ways to disagree without insulting someone, or making them feel stupid..anyone who claims to have facts is lying..why…BECAUSE THE CASE WOULD BE SOLVED..IMHO

  250. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am
  251. Facts: CPH lied about calling Mari and only admitted it because he was about to be exposed on 48hrs

    CPH ran a doctors office out of his home for years. This is known throughout the community and even documented by himself on the internet.

    CPH destroyed the video evidence by taping over the evidence in the presence of Karen Gambino. This is known throughhout the community.

    CPH and his wife knew JB before the SG incident. His position on the board (wife served many terms on the oiba board as well) would make it impossible for him not to know. Not to mention theres a picture of BH dancing with JB at an OIBA event.

    CPH is driving M. Newmans gmc denali. Funny that a man who owed M Newman tens of thousands of dollars wound up with his truck.

    CPH has gotten the Canning family to lie. They have no choice, the truth makes them culpiable in SG’s dissapearance. Tom Canning and his son both saw SG’s wet sandy “footprints”. They also claim to know the location of where she entered the wetlands.

    CPH words to a reporter immediately following the discovery of SG body “thank god they found her, my neighbors were beginning to think i had something to do with it” he then proceded to go out of his way and hug the mother of one of the other victims unbeknownst to her

  252. Flukeyou on February 21st, 2013 at 1:31 pm
  253. CPH told local oiba members that he took SG into his home/office and treated her with a sedative then realeasing ms. gilbert to her driver….he made the comment to reporters “i did everything i could for that girl”…

    CPH has lied to SG’s family, his own family, the OIBA community, SCPD, the media and others. His behavior was getting so outlandish that he had to move out of Oak Beach.

    CPH is a broke, desperate man who’s lies have finally caught up to him but his ego wont quite let him surrender yet.

  254. Flukeyou on February 21st, 2013 at 1:41 pm
  255. Be Safe People: Caroline Hackett has a concealed carry permit, her father and her appied together using her address and were both granted licenses in 2010. The mood around 47 larboard court is grim and tensions are high…..wear a vest or stay away!

  256. Flukeyou on February 21st, 2013 at 1:48 pm
  257. md rice = CPH

  258. Flukeyou on February 21st, 2013 at 1:52 pm
  259. Everybody

    You can have suspicions about people on this site, but you cannot descend into accusations. It takes on a witch hunt tone. Since no one else is privy to this insider information and other posters (with theories of their own) can’t share. That’s not fair.

    MM7 you’ve made some very interesting observations – without drama and finger pointing. Please continue.

    As for me, IMHO this case is a whole lot bigger than just one man.

    We’ll do better if we stick to the known or publicly presented facts and everybody can feel they have something to add.

  260. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 1:58 pm
  261. Fluke
    Go somewhere.

  262. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 1:59 pm
  263. LINDA-I haven’t spoken to you before cause frankly i think you just try to find someone to make friends with and then you go with remind me of a pedophile trying to get a kid in the car”want some candy”"i got a cute puppy want to see”.i have watched you with people on here for the last month.those you dont like when they give their opinion you jump on and say all kinds of crap.and frankly i am tired of hearing your mouth.stop trying to trash people you dont know a soul on here,on any personal note.flukeyou hasnt done anything to you.if you want to give your opinion on what you think happened without trashing peoples names that come on here fine,go for it OTHER WISE SHUT THE HELL UP.who the hell died and made you queen.from all i have seen you write and how you act toward folks here,you are a snake in the grass.oh by the way your great ideas have been said before by other so their nothing new,just stuff you picked up from reading here,so you can rub up on somebody.everything i have said is case you dont know what that means it means no reply needed.

  264. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 2:08 pm

  266. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 2:09 pm
  267. @flukeyou you talking about hacketts daughter?she is a forrest officer isnt she?i always thought it kind of funny,how some other victims that been coming up missing in different areas were found in parks,forrest…etc

  268. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 2:15 pm
  269. i really think hacket is just the drug supplier ,and he was trying to smooth things over so noone would know.but that didnt work.and i guess it really just depends how many people has went missing up in the area his daughter works in.think that would weigh greatly on how much they are involved.

  270. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 2:23 pm
  271. Yikes.

  272. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 2:39 pm
  273. LOL @MM7
    Ooooooooooooh you make me sound so exotic and nefarious! Get over it already, M.D. Rice is my real name and I am female, I really don’t care if you believe me or not. I don’t give out lots of personal info because I choose to not do so. The administrators of this site have my email and can verify my identity through that if they wish. I am what I say I am which is a whole lot more than I can say for you.

  274. M.D. Rice on February 21st, 2013 at 3:03 pm
  275. Cheryl,
    Wow, well if you want to get nitpicky about it–I was referring to the mania part of the manic depressive/bipolar. That is why it is called BI-polar because it has manic and depressive symptomology. Psychosis is a natural aspect of mania and manic episodes because of the severity of sleep deprivation and because mania is necessary for diagnostic criteria hence the inherent presence of psychosis. Theoretically, I guess it would be possible to have bipolar disorder without psychosis and there are diagnostic labels for it, but I have never seen an example of it. It is the exception, not the rule.
    Now, to address your other comments: I am not trying to attribute things to SG that werent there. They are there. The things I refer to, her drug use, her relationships with abusive boyfriends, her work as a prostitute, her diagnosis of bipolar disorder, these are all publically available information. When trying to get to the bottom of a crime (or lack of one) you have to take everything into consideration, that includes past behavior and medical history. Regardless if you think I am being judgemental or not, the information is relevant. I have never said that something else did not happen in the death of Shannan Gilbert, but what I have said (and also what the ME and LE have stated) is that there is nothing that points to anything else being the source of Shannan’s death than accident. And there isn’t. You can argue my methods and my opinions and my logic from here to Sunday, but you can’t change that. There is no evidence for foul play in her death, only a truckload of speculation.

  276. M.D. Rice on February 21st, 2013 at 3:20 pm
  277. LMAO
    Oh my god I just now saw where I was accused of being CPH. Now that is priceless. Wait till I tell my husband. LOL
    This is better than tv.

  278. M.D. Rice on February 21st, 2013 at 3:22 pm
  279. Oh my god, Im still laughing. I got choked on my pulparindo laughing so hard.

  280. M.D. Rice on February 21st, 2013 at 3:27 pm
  281. Cheryl and linda,
    Now that I have somewhat regained my composure…
    I can see how the killings at Gilgo might be construed as the work of a serial killer in opposition to my theory. However, I just do not see SG’s death as anything but a horrible accident. So, rather than repeating myself and questioning both of you repeatedly about it and pointing out the same things over and over, I am just going to not interrupt your discussions of this area of the investigation. Im not helping anything, so I will just hush. I have stated my thoughts on the subject, so maybe with the two of you discussing it with others who post here some new info might come up and who knows, I might change my mind.

    you had asked about our thoughts on the “other bodies” found at Gilgo and surrounding area. Are you talking about the older bodies which were some of them dismembered? Or are you talking about these other bodies that keep turning up in the current time?

  282. M.D. Rice on February 21st, 2013 at 4:00 pm
  283. MD
    You’ve never seen an example of it? Why not? Very common not to have psychotic breaks but be diagnosed with Rapid Cycling Bipolar disorder. As for the mania. Not really. Chronic Anxiety followed by depression is all that’s necessary to be diagnosed and receive medication(s). Absolute fact. Did you really think all these people drug company commercials target suffered from mania?
    Shannan was sane enough to make money. Couldn’t have been THAT crazy.
    WTF was Brewer and half the people at HIS party diagnosed with??
    Get off Shannan.

  284. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 6:54 pm
  285. If you don’t know anything about the subject, I Do. I know first hand that grad students in the school of social work (nameless here) interning in the field, are permitted to diagnose clients as bipolar !! They had a book. If you have x many of the symptoms listed
    you were diagnosed. I was shocked. I was editing papers for a few of them. They didn’t there from their. No extensive psychology classes. A Book!
    This is the kind of shit poor people or people without insurance get for help. That crap goes into a file and onto a clinic shrink who sees these clients twice a for 40 minutes. He goes by the file and prescribes pills like a Pez dispenser.
    So stop trying to discredit or dismiss Shannan. She went though enough. Leave her alone.
    And Please review 48 Hours?

  286. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 7:17 pm
  287. Some words typed didn’t appear, – but you catch my drift.

  288. Cheryl#1 on February 21st, 2013 at 7:19 pm
  289. @linda, I get where you’re coming from. I was accused of being fluke because I, like he, believes CPH is the LISK. I’m not on a campaign to convince you all that I’m “right”. I would encourage everyone here to look into EVERYTHING and don’t take “facts” at face value… double check and check again.

    This case is a big mess as far as I see it and it’s insanely huge spanning so many years. There’s probably more info than any one of us can imagine.

  290. mysterymom7 on February 21st, 2013 at 8:00 pm
  291. Thank you thank you thank you, Cheryl! I’ve had many people in my life diagnosed with bipolar disorder and none have ever had any psychosis. It’s ridiculous to me to have people assume the RARITY is what Shannan had. I’m sorry, I don’t buy it. The girl was scared shitless. She was on 911 for 23 min, and I don’t know about anyone here, bit I doubt anyone has ever spoken with a 911 operator about their day.

  292. mysterymom7 on February 21st, 2013 at 8:05 pm
  293. @ wanda

    in these hear parts your kind is known as a hater..lmao …why so jealous


    are you guys kidding me?? why are we splitting hairs?? dont you two make me loose hope..We AGREE TO DISAGREE RIGHT?? DO WE NOT RISE ABOVE?? please..THE INFECTION IS SPREADING<<DEEP BREATHS!!

  294. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:06 pm
  295. @ wanda

    where did this green eyed monster come from??..too don’t know good people from a squirrel dinner

  296. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:08 pm
  297. @MD

    older victims..and quite distracted by the BS today…please ladies don’t fall prey to the sickness..really…screw pride..i thought we respect eachother..look at what we COULD be..please stop

  298. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:13 pm
  299. Cheryl,
    I think you need to check yourself. You are losing all form of objectivity.
    “You’ve never seen an example of it? Why not? Very common not to have psychotic breaks but be diagnosed with Rapid Cycling Bipolar disorder.”
    1. That means just exactly what I said, I have never seen a case of it. Not in all the cases I have known of bipolar disorder. 2. We were not talking about “Rapid Cycling” which is a subset and a disorder all of its own (and a very uncommon one), but of bipolar disorder in general. And yes, mania is part of the diagnostic criteria. Look it up, DSM-IV-TR 296.0–296.89. I dont just make up stuff and put it here, Cheryl. This is a clinical diagnosis and has clinical criteria. And in clinical diagnosis, no one is given a diagnosis with just a few questions or self report, there is an entire procedure, testing to rule out malingering or straight up lying, and many in depth clinical interviews.

    “As for the mania. Not really. Chronic Anxiety followed by depression is all that’s necessary to be diagnosed and receive medication(s).”
    Afraid not. Not for bipolar disorder. Again, refer to DSM criteria. I didnt write it.

    “Did you really think all these people drug company commercials target suffered from mania?”

    Anyone who has a clinical diagnosis of bipolar disorder has a history of at least one episode of mania, it is necessary for the diagnosis. Just because a person takes an anti-psychotic does not mean they are bipolar, and just because a person is bi-polar does not mean they take an anti-psychotic. Which leads me to…
    Why do you think they treat bipolar disorder with anti-psychotics and anti-convulsants, the same medication used to treat schizophrenia???
    Answer: because it is a disorder that most often presents with the most damaging symptoms that need immediate addressing being psychotic symptomology.

    Im not sure what your issue is with this, Cheryl, I didnt give her the diagnosis and it is not my fault that it is in her medical history. It is also not my fault that people with bipolar disorder a) have psychotic episodes and b) are more susceptible to stimulant induced psychosis. I didn’t create the diagnostic criteria. I did not make this stuff up. This is scientific fact.
    Don’t make this into a psychology/psychiatry/psychopharmacology debate, because I promise, you will not win. I have way too much education on you in this department.

  300. M.D. Rice on February 21st, 2013 at 8:18 pm
  301. @WANDA

    lets see if anyone agrees with you…when will women learn to play nice with other women…JEALOUS>>>ALL IDEAS ARE MINE>>NOBODY WILL EVER DENY THAT HERE>>VIPER!!!!

  302. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:18 pm
  303. @MD, I’m not saying you should give your personal info here or that you need to prove yourself to me or anyone here. I’m stating a fact, “MD Rice” is an online alias. Mysterymom7 is my online alias, although, thanks to someone here my alias is no longer cloaking my real identity. If you choose not to give out personal info, I don’t fault you. I don’t go around giving my personal info, either, nor would I ask anyone here to do so.

    My issue is not with you or any other “online alias”, my issue is that it is far too easy in this forum to use a fake identity or use someone else’s online alias. I say this because I have experienced it myself. Someone wrote as “mysterymom7″ as if it were me writing.

    My only point is as soon as everyone here realizes these are online aliases, the sooner everyone here will open their eyes to lies and sock puppets.

  304. mysterymom7 on February 21st, 2013 at 8:20 pm
  305. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT…please stop guys!! totally not important argument in the big picture?? hello?? THE VICTIMS??

  306. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:25 pm
  307. You know what, this is stupid. And I am tired of it.
    Im not here to argue about facts to do with clinical diagnosis and other psychology/psychiatry aspects which I know are indisputable and easily verified. What I have said is researchable, research it. You will find it is facts. As for me, Im done here. Im not going to be attacked every other day for stating facts.

  308. M.D. Rice on February 21st, 2013 at 8:27 pm
  309. @MM7

    are you kidding me..everyone ONLINE uses an guys brought the sickness again…of all people MOM!! its not like you havent made your enemies..please stop..

  310. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:28 pm
  311. @MD

    don’t say that…please..


    please don’t allow this..its gone too far..nobody left that cares..thats whats gonna happen..

    LETS POLICE OURSELVES>>respect..without dignity and respect..looks whats this really who wins?? ignorance wins??

  312. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:33 pm
  313. just like fluke..a fucking pissing match?? think ladies..who are WE??

  314. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:36 pm
  315. @MM7

    please rethink..please regroup..otherwise..WE ARE THEM

  316. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:38 pm
  317. a god damn witch hunt against MD…new low..even for this place..its always fun when its someone else!! this is a sry hurt when it was me..people somehow lack compassion..this aint the place to shit one one another..shit..why should the woman be humiliated for her opinion..??

  318. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:43 pm
  319. shameful pride..all these judgments and put downs..we failed miserably..sad

  320. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:45 pm
  321. Hope your degrees on the wall are worth whats gone down tonite!!!


    guess what?? i’m not just smart and good hearted..i’m smokin hot your heart out snake handler!!! snake in the grass will eat you for breakfast..


    i expect nothing but the best you can be from this point on..with me??

  322. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:11 pm
  323. linda yes i am jealous i cant be a moron to,and show my ass as well as you can.stop sucking up to these nice wasnt to long ago you were agree with flukeyou then when him and cheryl started at it you sided with her and started jumping on you could buddy up with her.if you cared so much about this case you wouldnt badger other peoples lay off fluke he does give info every once in a while unless your one of the people who are hiding something you dont want flukeyou to you badger him?and well if you have a problem with that i can write the admin and let her know you have issues.
    others be watchful of this person linda her niceness is a twisted one.again dont respond to me.i just tired of listening to your crap.

  324. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:14 pm
  325. yeah ok thats it.say bye byee

  326. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:16 pm
  327. @MD

    im so vry sry..your a top notch woman in my book..i learned a lot from you..this can be a severely tough crowd..i must be considered a fool, having graduated from queens…if i don’t hear from you, i thank you..i will miss you..i hope this can all work out…best of everything to you

  328. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:19 pm
  329. why is it a witch hunt for MD cause one person fluke you thought she was he hackett all of a sudden out of your wild imagination everyone is after your a drama queen and trying to create drama.well i just wrote the admin and she will either speak with you about your drama and mouth.or she will just delete you.either which way the rest of us here are to talk about the case.not the mess you want to create.

  330. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:22 pm
  331. @Wanda

    awww, i get it got a little crush on the flukester…i dont see ANYONE agreeing with you..back to the potato chips dumb ass..NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU..but i bet fluke is flattered..praise the lord

  332. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:22 pm
  333. BITCH…you can’t be me…NO!!! lol no freakin way..lmao

  334. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:23 pm
  335. you by yourself there WANDA…wicked cruel bitch

  336. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:24 pm
  337. notice theres a little something more goin on than your jealousy…your heads up your ass if you think you opinion of me matters to ANYONE…its a fucking murder investigation…earth to wanda!!! who gives a shit..tell me?? who gives two shits??

  338. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:27 pm
  339. guess what dummy?? everyone just bailed out…cheryl and MD are the site!!! admin my fuckin ass..

  340. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:29 pm
  341. you dont even talk like people from queens please give me a freaking break.this is the same crap you pulled under another name the last time this web site got shut down.same person different name.i will be so glad when these people connect you to the killer and put you away with him.whyelse would you be buddying up to them.hell their not that lovey dovey to each other then you come along and act,oh my besty.i just cant believe they feel for it.maybe they are just tolerating you.but i can’t.people from new york dont talk anything like you climb back under your rock.

  342. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:30 pm
  343. you started with me dumb ass…ill have you banned for provoking me..and by the way NO ONE WILL BACK YOU..

  344. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:31 pm
  345. your delusional!!! sick fucker…queens college???

  346. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:32 pm
  347. my ass is sooo tight wanda…the men love to stare….lmao…what a nutcase!! lol

  348. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:33 pm
  349. well i guess you will find out.why on earth would i want to be you?i like me i dont want to be anyone else.cant believe this crap all comes out of your head.what do you have another person in there saying”she wants to be you i just know it”and you say your right i am gonna tell her that.i am sure she will deal with you soon.

  350. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:34 pm
  351. fluke ..your a lucky man!!

  352. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:35 pm
  353. ever heard of a comma?? wtf??

  354. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:36 pm
  355. hey wanda..

  356. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm
  357. YOU CANT BE ME..!!!!

  358. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:38 pm
  359. hey wanda

  360. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:40 pm
  361. cheryl and md know im for disgust me..and right about now i disgust me too…evil…jealous and usless to victums…but still…YOU CANT BE ME

  362. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:42 pm
  363. the hell with respect on this site!! dont side track with your crazy shit…im much more let down by others who are smater than why not?? when in Rome..

  364. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:47 pm
  365. i think the problem is you dont want to be you try to make yourself look so good,that you can imagine someone wants to be you.before someone wants to be you,you have to have accomplished something to become such a role model.and apparently the only thing you have seen fit to accomplish,is letting the wolrd know you have a tight let me know how tight it is when you hit 40 young people are really naive,sit there and say i got it all,in 20 yrs you will be saying i had it all,just like the rest of us when we were young we had it all to.but of course we didnt give our all to the world.and now with all your comments,you have made it abundantly clear your not here for the cheers.

  366. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 9:53 pm
  367. they dont know you.all they know is what you write.and if you were such a nice person,you wouldnt have been so potty you want to blindside these not telling them to not talk to telling them to watch you very carefully.
    you remind me of the old line”"keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer”".most criminals/killers…etc try to stay as close to the case as they can get.and well you been just a tad bit to lovey dovey.sorry but this fish aint bitten.cheers again

  368. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:00 pm
  369. im 45 and hold two college degrees….smmmmoooookin hot!!!

  370. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:08 pm
  371. guess what..i really am a nice person…smart independent and a one in college…smokin hot!! lmao

  372. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:10 pm
  373. i do have it all..including respect..on the job, from my son and on this site…lol

  374. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm
  375. put your teeth in the cup and get some rest…

  376. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:13 pm
  377. bet it kills you im for real…not used to an independant woman huh..especially one that admires the intelligence and kindness of fellow women…guess what I AM TYPICAL OF MOST WOMEN MY AGE…nowadays we dont hate on other females…and we look good doin it..put that in your corn husk pipe and smoke it!!

  378. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:23 pm
  379. wow then you must be in a mid life crisis honey cause 45 year old females dont talk the way you do.your actions are the actions of a child.if you had even 1 degree you would have know this.and you wouldnt be going around scream why isnt my mentor sticking up for actually if you were 45 your attitude would be more like M.D.’S or my wouldnt be running around like a hormonal teenager screaming,he has no creditability.most dont know each other on this site,so who does?so stop being a brat and stop jumping all over poor fluke,just cause him and cheryl fight.they have always disagreed,.but i am pretty sure they know each other,well longer than you have known either of stop being a bully,either get on with things on this case or get off this web site.

  380. wanda on February 21st, 2013 at 10:38 pm
  381. NEVER..and by the way as a taxpayer im tired of paying for lazy people like you to sit home on disability..hey wanda…how does any of this shit you started help victims..let us taxpayers know?? what have you done?? sad ass old lady..fluke wouldnt touch you with a 10 ft

  382. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:11 pm
  383. tell us wanda…how have you personally helped this investigation…next time you ask me to dance , be fuckin ready to dance…im 45 and smokin hot,,and a fuckin taxpayer that probly paif for your PC and your damn teeth..tell us what youve done for the victims..we are all waitin, even FLUKE WANTS O KNOW??

  384. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:14 pm
  385. REMEMBER YOU STARTED WITH ME..SO WE ALL WANT TO KNOW..what do you contribute big mouth??

  386. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:15 pm

  388. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:16 pm
  389. next time you ever fuckin start with me ill make sure you never post on here it?? you hear me…wastse my fucking time while much more important shit has happened tonite…hateful and usless

  390. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:21 pm
  391. useless old coot..fucking batty

  392. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:23 pm
  393. COME ON WANDA!! YOU TALKED ABOUT ME>>LETS HEAR HOW FANTASTIC YOU ARE..the other day you turned our attn to a freakin TV show you thought was real news>>SO LETS HEAR WHAT WANDAS DONE

  394. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:29 pm
  395. WHATS YOUR BIG CONTRIBUTION TO LIFE>>SINCE YOUR JUDGING ME>>other than collecting a check???

  396. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:30 pm
  397. all you can say about me is i seem too nice…no more!! you fit in just fine around these parts..go suck on your oxygen that i paid for..

  398. linda on February 21st, 2013 at 11:40 pm
  399. MD
    You need to check Yourself. I don’t care how much education you think you have. I know exactly what I’m talking about. You said Bi Polar. Well, Rapid Cycling IS Bi polar. You didn’t say everything EXCEPT. Did you?
    And Do Not pontificate to me cause I ain’ all that impressed. I’ve been around brilliant people babe, and I know it when I “see” it.
    They don’t (have to) remind you of it their superior wealth of knowledge before each and every point they make.
    Frankly it’s….. UM… Off putting.
    As fabulous a clinician as you are, you incorporate very little evidence of life experience (certainly not to say you have none), or intuitiveness (as it pertains to this case and to not posters).

    But I don’t sleep on you. I think you probably know that. You are VERY sharp.

    The crux of my anger is this: You disagree with LE and everyone else that there is a serial killer. Fine. Incredible as that may be.

    But you DO agree with LE that Shannan ran out of her pants and shoes on the sharp reeds – which would have torn her feet to shreds – to conk out and drown in shallow muddy water.
    If you’d even seen the first or the second 48Hours you’d know this is full blown stupidity.
    Did it ever occur to you that some of the people involved that night might be lying??
    Odd how you’d take Dormer’s word for THAT – meaning Shannan drowning – but disagree with Dormer and LE in general that there is a serial killer – Gilgo Beach. It’s Odd.
    And don’t tell me because I know…You don’t have to defend. Your vast knowledge (and dedication) far outweighs all others interested and/or assigned to this case……(presence of logic or lack thereof not withstanding).

    The trigger is this: I’m feeling some type of way about how you dismiss Shannan.

    That girl was Trying to save her life. She’s the VICTIM and she has a voice.

    Shannan went through enough abuse in her short life.

    I will be damned if I will let you – or anybody else – discredit her even in Death.

    Be Clear

  400. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 8:08 am
  401. By The Way
    Rapid Cycling Bi Polar Disorder? Common.
    When grad students at Fordam University are giving out that diagnosis according to a FKG BOOK… and the clinic psychiatrists go along….all bets are off.
    In a perfect world may this shouldn’t happen. But I it does. I KNOW this First Hand. Deal with it.

    Clear the air and keep it movin’

  402. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 8:30 am
  403. Wow! I’m disgusted!

    @linda, you talk about the distractions, finger pointing, respect, and the victims, yet everything that has been thrown at wanda has been nothing like you speak of.

    I don’t know, nor have I ever spoken with wanda, but it seems she can defend herself so I don’t need to comment on that issue.

    Wanda’s observations reflect my own and she has been here far longer than I. This is not a pissing match about who knows more than whom, this is a case of a serial killer getting away with serial murder and that doesn’t sit well with me.

    Cheryl touched on the point of not needing to state your educational background each and every time someone disagrees with the point you are trying to make. It does not further your point because you say it. I wholeheartedly agree with that point.

    The fact is, none of us really know who is on the other side of the screen writing. I don’t believe everyone here is who they say they are just because they say it. (See: Catfish, the movie) I also don’t think that fact needs to be argued every other day. You can argue a fact til you’re blue in the face, but it doesn’t make the fact change.

    There are genuine people here who want to help, but there are also people here whose only motivation is to confuse, distract, argue semantics, and throw off the investigation. From my observation of this site (past and present), anyone who believes A. CPH is LISK, B. SG was murdered or C. That there is no campaign to frame CPH for murder, you’re either 1. Flukeyou under an assumed name, 2. Made out to be a crazed lunatic/verbally berated or 3. The LISK trying to frame CPH.

    This is why I don’t believe the word of those here under an online alias is the word of gold. This is why I believe LISK is here regularly under multiple online aliases trying to further his agenda. It wouldn’t surprise me if one day he claimed Magnotta is responsible for his murders, or better yet, the Pope, or some Satanic Cult.

  404. mysterymom7 on February 22nd, 2013 at 9:06 am
  405. …he’s already tried to blame his murders on flukeyou, truthspider, me, the JB who committed suicide, Feingold, TY, SY, some convicted serial killer who committed suicide in jail… I’m sure the list is longer…

  406. mysterymom7 on February 22nd, 2013 at 9:10 am
  407. @MM7

    thats a good one YOUR disgusted…am i supposed to sit here and take and unwarented attack…an yet again be called a murderer…you havent always had the cleanest mouth here..and are quite sarcasrtic to your critics on ur website…doesnt matter anyway..doubt theyll be more chatting on this blog…and i had nothing to do with it..i asked for peace here…but its IMPOSSIBLE

  408. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 9:31 am
  409. remember apologizing to me for calling me CPH…im interested to know in ur mind, who isnt CPH or part of the cover up?? anyone?? you also accuse cheryl of being cphs massage therapist…ps149 cph and now md..and you bet ur butt i came to your defense, and i dont see many here or on your very own blog doin that..have fun out too

  410. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 9:35 am
  411. you also called me and cheyrl lesbians, and accused me of acting black..and know ur on ur high

  412. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 9:41 am
  413. you accuse and then get all defensive when ur accused…i wont even repeat the names ur enemies on WS call u…but now ur a saint…point a finger and three point back..ever heard i told ps149..u cant complain when ur participating in the same crap

  414. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:01 am
  415. see i defend everyones opinion unless im attacked, just like you..although i disagree with ur theory i told ps149 where to on the other hand bites the hand that feeds you…and thats why youll be alone here now..its called HYPOCRIT …im tired of being ms nice guy..its ridicuel here..imagine being accused of being too nice..cant win no matter if your a crazy bitch or a fair minded considerate person…so whats the god damn point.

  416. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:13 am
  417. Bottom line ; this is the internet. No one knows who anyone is. But that’s a given.
    I’d like to stay on information everyone has access to and can share. This or that person = LISK is meaningless, but worse, it’s a complete waste of time. Once those accusations start, they run the board forever, and collaboration stops.
    I really don’t attack personally. I don’t know anyone personally. Just their comments.

    I went off because care about Shannan’s memory and I believe – strongly – she tried very hard to save her life.
    She not here to defend herself. I am.

  418. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:17 am
  419. Something is going on and I think it’s still going on. The families of all those girls -and men – murdered by this person, pair or group need closure. I’m not distracted at all.

  420. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:28 am
  421. @cheryl

    there are a lot of strong personalities here..we shouldnt have in fighting..i myself am so tired of the tired of being laughed at for who i am..and being accused every other day of being a killer or associated with a so fed up!! its seems like at any given moment someone is being cruel to someone else..i try my hardest, but someones always got to put me really so pissed today..its almost impossible not to be a bitch here sometimes

  422. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:43 am
  423. if we dont like someone or their opinions, is it gonna be a free for all of insults..its maddening..and it aint just me…nobody can keep peace it fed up that it ALWAYS comes to this..and YES, i do look up to that so terrible

  424. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:46 am
  425. i am too much of a sap if i say sucks thats admiration is taken as weakness or suspicious

  426. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 10:49 am
  427. i really feel bad for MD..its insane to call people killers when they give their disrespectful…then your not supposed to lash out…that IS distracting

  428. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 11:00 am
  429. @Linda

    No. Not so terrible. I said what I needed to say and I’m over it.

    This board is good for brainstorming. That’s all.
    What I do see is this: we were beginning to make a little progress in a particular direction. Then – BOOM.

    But we ain GOT to stay “stuck on stupid”

    Outdoor employment, more than one, New York area, remains, items, placement, decomposition, storage, possible modes of transportation (truck, boat)

    Still trying to figure it out.

  430. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 11:05 am
  431. I respect MD.
    I cannot stand these attacks on MD (or anyone). That was ludicrous. Look where the Hell it came from. You’ll remember I told him to go somewhere with that mess then ..
    All I know is this:

    and everybody and they mama knew about it!

    (and don’t think I didn’t notice the timing)

  432. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 11:19 am
  433. @Cheryl

    i said what i needed to say too huh?? i have no apologies more open mouths less they want it back..and im glad your back..don’t care what people think


    now we just need you

  434. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 12:07 pm
  435. The Parks Department .

  436. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm
  437. Burlap..same type..victim after victim

  438. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
  439. BTW

    timing wasn’t lost on me either..mark my words..theyre on the payroll…

  440. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 12:48 pm
  441. The SK is affiliated with a person who works out of doors and has a permit of some kind that allows him to blend into the environment. SK’s can blend. This man is not calling attention to himself .

    What we don’t know is how many tips have already been called into the police.
    I vaguely remember one that sounded credible couple of years ago. The man was driving with his family around 2:00 am along that stretch of Ocean Parkway when he saw a man on the side of the road, take a sack in the shape of a body from the back of his truck. He didn’t stop because of his family but he was so freaked out he called the police. This was his only post and it sounded earnest. This was right before the bodies were discovered.
    If this was, in fact SK, then he wasn’t disposing the bodies in broad daylight, even if he did work out of doors.

  442. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
  443. Yes, i remember it too…im goin out on a limb here..i bet LE has some pretty credible leads…we need evidence man!!

    i have always believed the guy blends in..nondescript features..invisible in plain least the one disposing..

  444. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm
  445. Linda
    Yes. I agree. Glad you remember it too.

  446. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 1:35 pm
  447. gotta keep the faith…I hope the upcoming trail puts the whole thing is the fear is that people forget over time…life marches on and people lose interest..we shall see my friend..

  448. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 1:40 pm
  449. wonder how much the defense team is payin “them”..check u later

  450. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 1:49 pm
  451. im bad..ill stop

  452. linda on February 22nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm
  453. Linda

    I asked on another thread:

    Why couldn’t 911 determine where Shannan was, if she was on the phone so long at Brewers?
    Dormer said they didn’t know where she was (because Shannan, understandably, didn’t know) until after Gus Colletti called.
    But IF she was on the cell – for 23 minutes – and running down the middle of the street – how did police not run into her?
    What’s off with the phone calls?

    When she said “take your hands off me” who was she talking to?
    It wouldn’t have been the police. But it’s a relatively short street, how far behind could police have been?

    Why did police finally go to Brewer’s if they couldn’t determine she was there to begin with? Colletti didn’t tell them. According to Gus, Shannan never said anything to him except “help Me”

    Why was Shannan’s jacket lost in evidence?

    New people have since taken over this case. That’s good.

  454. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 4:26 pm
  455. Great observations and questions, Cheryl!

    As far as the “defense” and “tainting the jury pool”, this is not a CRIMINAL CASE, it’s a CIVIL CASE at this moment. When it’s a criminal case, I won’t need to say anything about CPH being LISK because I will be praying the prosecutors say everything that is needed to get him thrown in jail for the rest of his natural life. Me stating this after a 2 year investigation (or lack thereof) is nothing new that will taint a damn thing.

    Again, distraction.

  456. mysterymom7 on February 22nd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
  457. OK well no distractions then cause I’d like to know your thoughts.

  458. Cheryl#1 on February 22nd, 2013 at 8:07 pm
  459. wow.

  460. too close too home on February 23rd, 2013 at 7:18 am
  461. Cheryl,

    I have always wondered my self about this phone call. 23min. LE couldnt trace that call?? That call contains many answers.

    Question: why do i hear a lot of “chatter” now about SG being afraid of the cops?? she called 911. Obviously under “normal” events, i get it?? she was scared for her life..a seasoned prostitute calling 911.. you better believe it!!

    No doubt LE has egg on their face to say the LEAST, will this slow the investigation..MISSING JACKET!! tapes erased?? no doubt civil suit to come…not good for LE…what if it was my kid!!!??

    Ground zero..ground zero..

    Did cops KNOW JBs house from previous disturbance?? dont know..dont know how LE turned up at his door..

    As Fluke im sure will attest (god help us), this is one of those communities that’s very insular..anyone living there any length of time prob knows a lot about thier neighbors?? can you imagine?? i would beat the realtors ass for putting ME there…

    Ground zero..and EVERYONE CONNECTED TO GROUND ZERO..thats all i got lady…you dig??

  462. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 8:16 am

  464. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 8:18 am
  465. point one finger..the victims fingers point back..point one finger..

  466. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 8:24 am
  467. @Cheryl

    you keep knockin but know ones home…vry hard to wink online…you just delight me..and your humor isnt lost on me..

  468. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 8:48 am
  469. excuse typo..NO ONEs HOME

  470. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 8:50 am
  471. @MD


  472. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 8:53 am
  473. @Tooclose

    enjoying yourself over there? :) i expect the chatter to pick up so sit indeed

  474. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 9:01 am
  475. @Cheryl

    I actually do feel bad for you know who…i MEAN this..evil surrounds..NO JOKE…im expecting fallout..just let that be known..

  476. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am
  477. The officers sent that morning must have been familiar with Brewer.

    Shannan’s jacket was lying on the ground in front of his house yet
    whatever explanation he gave them was accepted.

    Yet, months later, after bodies of women turned up, they revisited Brewer.

    But if Shannan was a completely separate and isolated incident, why assume a connection?

  478. Cheryl#1 on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am
  479. Were there other girls called to Brewer’s who didn’t necessarily stay there?

  480. Cheryl#1 on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am
  481. @Cheryl not buying they accepted everything JB said…this is a place i hate to go in my mind…Something is so wrong…Something makes me sick..GROUND no no…this is a small community…every one knows every ones business…somethings gross…something about that place makes me PHYSICALLY ill..this cant be the 1st run in with LE..never ever gonna buy it..

  482. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am
  483. Brewer’s house was a cat pissed shambles by the time agents tried to sell it. So much time passed between the night Shannan disappeared and a police investigation direct evidence was gone. .

  484. Cheryl#1 on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 am
  485. Disgusting shit been goin on at JBs for a long time..even the “ask any of the god feariin folks” and nothings ever been done..something stinks…EVERYONE has known and only because of shannon are we hearing the screams..EVERYONE knew..and NOBODY DID SHIT ABOUT IT

  486. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 am
  487. now you’d think only saints live there, NOW..

  488. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:27 am
  489. Brewer was well know to LE and his neighbors..

  490. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am
  491. @Cheryl

    i hear you..LE?? pissed to say the least..yet so many of the male neighbors hung out in that piss smelling house!! fund filth

  492. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am
  493. Everything I’m saying is already known.

  494. Cheryl#1 on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am
  495. Ground ZERO..a local..

  496. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am
  497. I know..makes my skin CRAWL

  498. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:33 am
  499. I doubt that. I believe it was after Brewer left it fell into that.
    He had a caretaker, some guy, show the house to an agent. She said he himself looked like a bum and in the back room he stayed in there was a girl who looked like an addict. This man had cats and they pissed all over the house. The smell was powerful. She felt the owner couldn’t have been serious ( at that time) about trying to selling.

  500. Cheryl#1 on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:39 am
  501. Its only out of old school respect, im keeping my innermost thoughts about LE to myself..i have to let others be my voice..

  502. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:39 am
  503. Cheryl

    no different than ANY crackheads house..ya know..just mommy pays for the parting..IMO

  504. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:41 am
  505. Cheryl

    cat piss or not..i strongly feel this way..

  506. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am
  507. I think we’re dealing with an assortment of guys. The area is small enough for Brewer to have enjoyed a certain reputation.

  508. Cheryl#1 on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 am
  509. @Cheryl

    mabye LISK hates women cause he couldnt exist without one, mommy cleans up after babys been bad…people need jobs there..real bad..not being sarcastic

  510. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 am
  511. @Cheryl

    Yes..quite an assortment..totally will NEVER BUY CLASS

  512. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:46 am
  513. Brewers house was many of the dirty little go there..nxt morning your doin the walk of shame..or headed to church..

  514. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:48 am
  515. @Cheryl

    im sure one or more of the wives?ex wives..will know why they were i said from the start, most of these guys wouldnt know the female form if it wasnt for MONEY..ill bet the ex’s have quite a keeping faith..divorce is an ugly ugly thing..big money big problems

  516. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 am
  517. ill bet one or more have protective orders against them from their exs…and i would hope LE is lookin out for their safety..dig??

  518. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am
  519. For a professional to walk into an environment like that and not either turn around and walk out – or get paid – in full – up front, is hard to imagine and Shannan was in it for three hours. Wouldn’t need to be perfect but not what the agent described. That’s an opinion. Professionals work for money. A crack house doesn’t look like money.

    Was there money in her wallet?

  520. Cheryl#1 on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am
  521. wouldnt it be poetic justice if a woman turned LISK in..sweet jesus

  522. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:04 am
  523. Dont think the nosey neighbors dont see whos crawling outta brewers house in the early morn…mabye one with an axe to the shadows..very jealous..mabye

  524. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:09 am
  525. i beg to differ..the grounds were prob kept up..prob some town thing..but inside it stinks!! i dont know if theyre was money in SGs wallet..moneys not an issue there..IMHO

  526. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 am
  527. you know it couldve been spotless…they pay for all theyre dirty work..ya know..maids, callouses on these guys gut

  528. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:13 am
  529. @Cheryl

    Just my opinion..if you called out to do work at gilgo, lattingtown, oyserbay, millneck..your thinkin money is NOOOO prob..

  530. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:16 am
  531. and cunning is ex got a high priced call girl to take a business check..not a joke

  532. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:18 am
  533. ex husband that is…outta respect for real men.

  534. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am
  535. hes in the penn now..found that out thanks to MM7 mugshot..llve and learn..ive taken my bumps

  536. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am
  537. your right..i doubt SG drove all the way there for a short stay..right!!

  538. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 am
  539. your right..i doubt SG drove all the way there for a short stay..right!!..she was there guess..long ride that time of night..risky

  540. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am
  541. “UNKNOWN”
    Made an interesting observation.

    The same canine officer John M. who found the “graveyard” at Gilgo also found evidence the lead to Shannan’s remains almost a year to the day after the Gilgo bodies were discovered.
    That’s either the only canine and officer team or far and away the best.

    I’ll give them credit for being the best.

    Since FBI instructed LE exactly where to look, John M. and canine wouldn’t have had much trouble at that point .
    It was a full year between the time the FBI gave Suffolk County police the POI information and them acting on it.

  542. Cheryl#1 on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am
  543. Unless she was gonna stay at one of the local motel/hotels for the nite..hint..imho..special rates for repeat customers..whole thing stinks real bad

  544. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:37 am
  545. YES..i noted that unknowns comment raised my eyebrows last week..such sadness..but i cant ignore

  546. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 am
  547. takes a lot outta of me to get into this fithy place..again im no saint..its evil..i just cant think of another wrd..and i’m an atheist

  548. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:41 am
  549. ‘footprints in the sand”..posted about it last week i think..sickening

  550. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am
  551. @cheryl

    certain things hard for me to verbalize, so for you to “hear” me..thnk you..they didnt help me get OUT OF TROUBLE..THEY PROTECTED me..when laws didnt exist..went through a whole savior complex thing..

  552. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:54 am
  553. im thinkin of hookin up with some old just kinda lazy bout get another point of view..i can do it though..

  554. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 11:58 am
  555. Homicide is the best..been to a lot of retirement parties with vry grateful parents..yep..

  556. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 12:10 pm
  557. What i wouldnt give for a one way ticket out of suburbia…too isolated..too much money and soft as hell people..SOFT

  558. linda on February 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm
  559. @Cheryl

    POI..”I” for know who one of mine is..cannot prove or disprove…ive read and RE READ LEs comments..person of interest..that is all im saying..don’t want to be attacked..forgive me all, but this is my opinion..INTEREST only..NOT THE PERSON>>A PERSON of interest..

  560. linda on February 24th, 2013 at 8:01 am
  561. I have no idea who the LISK is other than he is a local resident both on and off season.

    If it is more than one, whomever is disposing of the bodies is exceptionally familiar with the little nooks of the area.

  562. Cheryl#1 on February 24th, 2013 at 10:32 am
  563. Just one POI…more than one…IMHO..all from ground zero..all…i do not know,,,

  564. linda on February 24th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
  565. something doesn’t add all..i think now, more than proof,..gut..could be so vry wrong..

  566. linda on February 24th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
  567. will never be evidence..if there is, public does, and will not, and should not proof..even MD.. no proof …vry troublesome

  568. linda on February 24th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
  569. @Cheryl

    I agree..prostitutes.. any addicted woman…demonized in press, public opinion…only “good” people..”"sane’ people important??? who is sane after all..who?

  570. linda on February 24th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
  571. the dog had to take a piss… blue and his handler got lucky.

  572. Flukeyou on February 25th, 2013 at 10:47 am
  573. thtas what i heard too..but twice..whateva..did hear that too..many angles and possiblilities..brainstorming..thats all

  574. linda on February 25th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
  575. Did trail start today??

  576. linda on February 25th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
  577. There’s plenty of proof….you’ll see tomorrow doc.

  578. Flukeyou on February 25th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
  579. Let’s look at lisa and m newmans relationship. Was there motive for her and the doc to conspire to get rid of him….it’s interesting that he’s driving a man he owed 30k truck. I guess Lisa and the doc for that matter didnt realize mr Newman had let his insurance policy lapse… much did CPH inherit from the hendricks couple who he was providing hospice care to with his wife…..

  580. Flukeyou on February 25th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
  581. mysterymom7 on February 25th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
  582. @mm7
    Its an interesting read..i still think it should be a persons choice..after all you were outted, and that is wrong..imo..will the trail be televised?? where will you be following the news??

  583. linda on February 26th, 2013 at 6:13 am
  584. Am i missing something?? havent heard much about it??

  585. linda on February 26th, 2013 at 6:14 am
  586. @fluke

    Im assuming you dont want feedback?? how can readers understand where you’re coming from?? if i may, what does the above post have to do with murder?? like, can we all play??

  587. linda on February 26th, 2013 at 6:26 am
  588. hey flukeyou…where and what time is the trial? id love to attend

  589. too close too home on February 26th, 2013 at 7:34 am
  590. It’s not a trial. It’s a hearing of CPH’s motion to dismiss. Should be an answer from the judge at some point today.

  591. mysterymom7 on February 26th, 2013 at 9:29 am
  592. flukeyou doesn’t want feedback. he justs wants to keep tossing out his neighbors names. pay him no mind…its his agenda. just think of him as a broken record…trash.

  593. too close too home on February 26th, 2013 at 9:51 am
  594. @MM7

    had no idea.


    i can only try must be obvious to all, im clueless..not brain dead :) its been quite an experience, and i only wanted the best when i began..

    thanks to all

  595. linda on February 26th, 2013 at 9:55 am
  596. @Too Close

    What he doesn’t say speaks volumes..not lost on me..believe me..

  597. linda on February 26th, 2013 at 10:00 am
  598. so all his ominous comments, all just blown up hype..he knew today was nothing special…thats really sick..what creates such a soulless, bitter man…money..too much of it..the easy way.??.how long has he hated his community?? his wrds have meant nothing..sick

  599. linda on February 26th, 2013 at 10:29 am
  600. fraud.. impotent at best

  601. linda on February 26th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
  602. FACT

  603. linda on February 26th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
  604. ATTENTION- south bronx,ny- female body parts found in plastic bag at garbage pickup.

  605. wanda on February 26th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
  606. well they say the 22 year old son did it.i think they put something in these kids shots,to make them all go on a rampage like this.right around the age of 22,what is that 1991.been lost of monster from that year coming out.shame.

  607. wanda on February 27th, 2013 at 2:03 am
  608. Kristinsaysso on February 27th, 2013 at 3:53 am


  610. Kristinsaysso on February 27th, 2013 at 3:53 am
  611. MYSTERY MOM 7 =


  612. Kristinsaysso on February 27th, 2013 at 3:54 am
  613. My identity has nothing to do with this case.

    More distraction.

  614. mysterymom7 on February 27th, 2013 at 6:20 am
  615. Hackett’s departure was the culmination of two years of increasingly ugly conflict that worsened after Hibberd, his strongest ally, was pushed out last spring in a dispute with County Executive Robert Gaffney. By the end, officials confirm, Fischler was meeting with senior county officials to air allegations that Hackett had abused his cellular phone, falsified his time sheets, and even caused spinal injuries to three men he helped to rescue from the wreckage of a caved-in water tank at Long Island MacArthur Airport.

  616. Flukeyou on February 27th, 2013 at 6:25 am
  617. my agenda is the truth…imo cph and lisa newman conspired to kill m newman. They both were motivated, cph was in debt to newman and knew he could never repay him, lisa was a beaten dog in a abusive relationship.M newman’s business was in shambles and she saw this as an opportunuity to cash out. m newman also was a liability to cph, he knew his secrets. M newman was found by cph with a heroin needle sticking out of his arm. LE didnt find it funny he had no history of intravenous drug use? what was CPH looking for when police arrived? According to an officer at the scene cph was frantically searching for something, rummaging through drawers, closets, etc until he was commanded to leave by police

  618. Flukeyou on February 27th, 2013 at 6:42 am
  619. CPH soon befriended L. newmans boss, real estate agent suzie hendricks. He quickly became entrenched in their lives, got on their will and was paid to play hospice nurse along with his wife for suzzie and her husdand Don…..providing these services affords cph access to the injectable opiates he needs to sustain his everday existence but unfortunately for don and suzie the doc needed money so they were soon dead.

  620. Flukeyou on February 27th, 2013 at 6:51 am
  621. @Kristinsaysso (CPH)……” LISK hates women cause he couldnt exist without one, mommy cleans up after babys been bad…people need jobs there..real bad..not being sarcastic” This is B Hacketts role and has been for years. This creep could not exist without her cooperation and willingness to coverup his evil deeds. Shes a pathetic excuse for a mother, wife, and community member…

    why dont you leave Kristin alone an concentrate on exposing the truth?s she hitting a nerve too close to home?

    you threaten, make fun of her and her family yet never provide information that contradicts what she says. The truth stays the same……the truth is CPH = LISK

  622. Flukeyou on February 27th, 2013 at 7:12 am
  623. your agenda…..?
    you somehow blame cph for the whatever involvement he had with your mom (evelyn) and connie. im sorry if you were abused, but i am certain that the 20 or so neighbors that you have targeted had absolutely nothing to do with it. you have a chemical imbalance joey (flukeyou) borderline personality disorder. please resume your meds. you would probably also benefit from some inpatient treatment. i hope that the civil suit goes forward, so i can see you lose it – you the finger pointer -up there – exposed.

  624. too close too home on February 27th, 2013 at 8:00 am
  625. Fluke

    now that is interesting, if true.. is he being investigated for newmans death?? . also felt doc was dirty.. how to you tie him to being LISK..are characters like JB and his party guests tied to him?? IYO? .

    i am just trying to form opinions, i have no info, nor can i dispute or confirm yours..or any ones else..

  626. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 8:16 am
  627. PERSONAL agenda?? the plot thickens..but does it lead to LISK

  628. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 8:18 am
  629. Anyone threatening MM7 or anyone on here is wrong and should be prosecuted..

  630. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 8:24 am
  631. Fluke

    i assure you, when you speak clearly you will be heard. however, if you continue to accuse EVERYONE that differs with your opinion of being involved in murder you will b alone..perhaps thats what you

  632. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 8:32 am
  633. @ linda ….doc’s the oak beach candy man. he’s not only tied to jb but other local barrier beach resident (GG from captree island) known to frequent call girls and use drugs. why would cph le about knowing brewer? As a oiba board member for numerous years he and his wife knew everyone in the community. LE has never put together the complete picture of how deadly this man is and how long hes been tormenting society under the guise that he’s some kind of official community do gooder. You see how long doc hung around oak beach when the heat turned up

  634. Flukeyou on February 27th, 2013 at 8:59 am
  635. Linda, the info about Newman is correct, and I’ve confirmed that info separately from fluke. I don’t believe CPH was questioned in M. Newman’s death because he was first on scene (like any good doctor would be) and was able to manipulate the situation like every other time he’s come >thisclose< to getting caught. He's a liar and manipulator.

    The REAL LIFE PEOPLE (not characters) fluke has named were involved in the COVER UP of SG's DISAPPEARANCE. They didn't know SG would be found DEAD. Would you even WANT to believe your neighbor is responsible for serial murder? One you've socialized with for 20+ years? Their SONS were at JB's party. They were covering for their kids. They didn't know what really happened to SG. She ran from a "party" where there were drugs and she was a hired prostitute.

    At the point SG's body was found, they were far too deep in the cover up of SG's disappearance, and they probably figure if they talk, they'll go down for murder they didn't commit, or worse, end up a victim of LISK.

    Fluke is passionate, and sometimes scatter-brained. It can come across as some nefarious agenda. If I knew my neighbor was a liar, manipulator, and responsible for serial murder of innocent people, I'd be screaming it as loudly as fluke, too. Hell, CPH isn't MY neighbor, and I'm doing just that. Why would fluke "frame" CPH over a lawsuit involving EVERY board member of the OBA? It doesn't make sense. The other board members he's named are part of the cover up. If they know who asked them to cover ANYTHING up about that early May morning and say NOTHING, then they are just as guilty as CPH.

  636. mysterymom7 on February 27th, 2013 at 9:05 am

  638. mysterymom7 on February 27th, 2013 at 9:07 am
  639. @ too close … its funny how you concentrate your energy on OIBA residents that have nothing to do with this case yet you never offer any facts or information that exculpates CPH from these crimes. Your agenda seems to be to run interference for the doc and try to discredit anyone who speaks out agaist him. Why defend a liar?

    CPH = LISK

  640. Flukeyou on February 27th, 2013 at 9:18 am
  641. and how long have YOU known flukeyou mysterymom? ive known him all of his life. he was a great kid and then the mental problems began… right around the time of the first victim.If you did know him you would know.
    Why would fluke “frame” CPH over a lawsuit involving EVERY board member of the OBA?
    this last statement is a display of your fatuity. period.

  642. too close too home on February 27th, 2013 at 9:20 am
  643. really joey? see..i am not a broken record. ive said it so many times. everything you state as fact is either a blatant lie or you would have to have been there as a witness. and if you were a witness and you know for a FAAAACT that dr. hackett is the long island serial killer, then why is your picture not all over the news collecting that reward $$???? anyone who wants to can filter thru from the very begining of this site and read. all of your ‘facts’ have been previously disputed…im not going over it again. see you in riverhead joe jr. since you are so omnisciencient we will no doubt see you testify to your ‘facts’…under oath? you will crack like the dried up semen that you are.

  644. too close too home on February 27th, 2013 at 9:27 am
  645. still nothing that exculpates CPH…..just another mindless witchhunt rant by tcth

    CPH + lisk

  646. Flukeyou on February 27th, 2013 at 9:37 am
  647. @ too close …… who was the first victim??? little freudian slip there?

  648. Flukeyou on February 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am
  649. @All

    picture a bit clearer…absorbing all…please don’t hold your breath…still not making the LISK connection, but at least a bit clearer understating of the players..thnks

    don’t know what “lawsuit” any of you refer to…there does to seem to be vry deep resentment among neighbors..

    however i can now keep up with all this with more clarity..

    there are a lot of party docs out there…


    i have said and could understand neighbors initially covering up..agree..not for murder..for their kids sake, ect

  650. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 11:46 am
  651. it is almost impossible to prove or disprove anything..please understand, i’m just asking questions..thnks..

  652. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
  653. Doc seems to have his issues..idk

  654. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 11:50 am
  655. It is hard for me to grasp..’i say hes guilty, why cant you prove hes innocent”…just an observation..its a backwards concept..MO

  656. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 11:59 am
  657. if that is always the end question, it leaves no room for discussion..the question has no real answer?

  658. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
  659. Does being a dirtbag=murder?? questions only

  660. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
  661. its seems like a lot of bad behavior going on there?? with no one more or less a dirtbag than the other..hookers, drugs and everyone knowning for a while..whos THE dirtbag..still vry unclear

  662. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
  663. If one is going to put out an ABSOLUTE, one needs to expect questions such as mine..

  664. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
  665. and i’m just a nobody on a PC..what would a defense attorney, or jury ask??

  666. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
  667. well from what i was told by a source,i wont tell.was that it is a group of very rich people.i lost one of my ny sources that told me stuff about this i have another.and well.they said those beach people are sticking together,so it has been really hard to get anything out of them cause one is always watching the other there to see who talks.and none of them are talking.

  668. wanda on February 27th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
  669. hold on to that source..

  670. linda on February 27th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
  671. @ anyone left here who is truly interested in the real truth instead of the lies and conspiracy theories, all I can say is WOW. This witch hunt and lynch mob aimed at an innocent man is not doing any justice for the victims.

    Anyone who is remotely intelligent will understand that if even if a small fraction of the accusations were true there would have been an arrest back in April 2011 the moment the accusations started. I’m starting to feel really bad how obvious it is that those who keep posting the false information seem to have untreated mental illnesses that are clearly out of control. The good news is that the police and the FBI along with the Long island community have been smart enough to see through their psychotic rantings, Due process of law and the legal rights of the accused shall always prevail in the end over the lynch mom mentality. I only pray that the friends and family members of the victims are smart enough to understand that these individuals have mental illnesses and the words that come out of their mouth, no matter how convincing they might sound, are nothing more than false promises, twisted facts and ill-minded fantasies.

    Once again, if any of the harsh accusations that have been written and spoken by these sick individuals for almost two years were true, then there would have been an arrest by now. The false information they are claiming to be facts and “verifiable” have one by one been proven to be incorrect and false and most likely a result of a personal vendetta. Weak, ill minds are often the most impressionable, easiest to influence/convince. The lies and false information was easy for others with mental illness/disease to buy in to and join the cause. Please, if you have any common sense, understand that the rantings of one or two sick-minding individuals does not constitute credible information. The courts and law enforcement agencies understand this. The accused have rights.

    Most important, it just isn’t fair to the victims to have these sick individuals demanding that everyone stop searching for the real killer(s) by giving the false hope of the incorrect accusation of who the LISK is. Anyone who really cares about seeking justice for the victims will understand how important it is to keep an open mind and not let the words of a few diseased minds stop anyone from looking for the real killer. The victims deserve justice. They deserve much more than having an innocent man framed for their murders while the real killer walks the streets ready and able to kill again.

    For the sake of the victims, trust nothing you see written or said that cannot be verified. For the sake of the victims, do not let one man’s personal vendetta stop you from looking for the real LISK.

  672. ps149 on February 27th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
  673. Let me also add before the responses from the delusional minds start flooding in to attack my every word that once again I go on record and state that I am not the LISK and I have never hurt a living sole my entire life.

    Despite what the sick minds are going to continue to tell you, I AM NOT CPH. Don’t know the man. Never met him. Never met anyone who ever met him.

    I am just a die-hard American who still believes in the civil rights and liberties we are each supposed to have the right to receive. This includes protection from being wrongfully accused as well as the justice for innocent victims. I am a very strong police advocate. Despite what many of you will ever believe, I know first-hand that the men and women assigned to this case have sacrificed so much of their personal time in order to give this case the attention and devotion it requires and deserves. The investigators have put in so much time and energy. This isn’t some episode of Law & Order or CSI. It’s one of the most difficult cases to solve. There are very few legit facts and evidence to work with. The last thing any of those men and women on the homicide task force need is to be bashed and criticized by individuals who are not experts in the field of law enforcement and crime solving. There are far too many couch detectives and wanna-be crime solvers who think they can sit in their home behind their keyboards and do a better job at solving this case than the real, trained and experienced detectives who are assigned to this case. The clear evidence of this is the fact that some of you are posting all over the internet how sure you are that CPH is the LISK.

    There simply is no police conspiracy to hide the truth or protect CPH. Anyone who claims this is showing a severe case of disrespect for the fine men and women of the SCPD Homicide unit. Give them a break. They did nothing to deserve the negative criticism.

    And as far as I am concerned, if you have a beef with me just go ahead and say whatever it is your demented, twisted sick mind is going to force you to say or ask. I’m a big boy so go ahead and bring it on and I’ll gladly respond to any of the psychotic questions your strange brain needs answered. Ask and I shall respond because I have nothing to hide. Whatever your beef is with me I can guarantee you that I can prove that it’s all in your sick brain. Then after I prove you wrong, will you at least consider seeking medical help for your illness?

  674. ps149 on February 27th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
  675. Okay, I too want to put my two cents in. It really seems that we’ve gotten off track here, everyone is pointing fingers, and throwing out accusations without really focusing on the real issue here; the deceased, their families and finding the real truth of what happened to these girls. It’s a shame that as I read here from time to time, that a lot of the stuff that is written makes absolute no sense to me at all. I often scratch my head at some of the stuff written here and wonder what in the heck is going on? It seems as though there is one person having a conversation with themself…almost as they are arguing with themself. I have to laugh. I also see that there is over 300 comments about this one particular post, but nothing really has anything to do with the topic. I’ve posted other comments on another post, but it seems that this is the “hot” spot that everyone seems to be leaning towards; hense why I am here now.
    I would like to try and redirect those who are interested in this case, to my comment under “unknown,” I believe where it was about Footsteps in the sand…or something to that effect. I would repost here, but just thought this one particular post is probably going to explode from overload.
    Let’s all try to be civil, I believe we are all entitled to our own opinions, but pointing fingers without the actual facts is down right a waste of time and hurtful. No one is perfect. But one thing is for sure, this bastard is laughing at they way we are making a mockery of this case. We all (most of us anyway) have one thing in common, and that is to get this sadistic wasteless piece of crap and put him where he (they) belong. And in time, he will be caught.

  676. kelly on February 27th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
  677. Thanks for trying to redirect the discussion in a forward direction. If you haven’t already checked out my blog, it’s catchinglisk.wordpress(dot com). I started moderating the crazy comments so the discussion doesn’t get off track. You don’t need to sign up for anything like on WS. Hope you check it out!

  678. mysterymom7 on February 27th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
  679. According to ps149, anyone who accuses CPH is either A. “Framing CPH” for serial murder, B. Part of some group of “conspiracy theorists”, C. Is bipolar or schizophrenic, D. The LISK, or E. Has some personal “vendetta” against CPH.

    Fortunately, I fall into none of the above categories. I want truth. On WS, ps149 said that it was NOT TRUE that CPH has had 2 medical neglect cases against him (in Nassau Co). This is a VERIFIABLE FACT. You can find the cases in the Nassau Co Clerk of Courts website.

    So he CLAIMS to be have a civil liberties motive and that he’s a police “advocate” (just like CPH was a “patient advocate”), this claim is more BS and smoke screen. I don’t buy it.

    CPH, I’m not Amanda Byrnes, btw. If anything happens to her, I will make it my personal mission to bring JUSTICE FOR *YOUR* VICTIMS. You may fool a lot of people, but you don’t fool ME.

  680. mysterymom7 on February 27th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
  681. Mysterymom, I am glad you posted what you did because it is a perfect example of how you are one of the primary people who has a habit of twisting facts and a demonstration of a particularly disturbing and alarming behavior.

    You claim to be a person who wants truth yet you post lies and twisted truths. So either you are a chronic liar or you have some sort of mental handicap or illness that makes you truly believe that you are telling the truth. Either way, you scare me.

    You blog about me and tell everyone I am CPH and you just addressed me again as CPH and some random rant about somebody named Amanda Byrnes who none of us has ever heard in connection with this case. Yet I sit here knowing that I am not CPH. And somewhere CPH is sitting or sleeping knowing that he is not PS149. So if I know that I am not CPH, then clearly when you post that I am I can only view your statements as intentional lies or psychotic delusions. Whatever they are, I can assure everyone that your claims about me are absolutely 100% false.

    When you state that you “don’t buy” my “claims” to have a civil liberties motive and you call my intentions BS and smoke screen you are once again posting false information. So once again you are intentionally telling lies with the intent to discredit me or you are unaware and out of touch with reality due to a mental disease or ailment. Once again, either way, you scare me.

  682. ps149 on February 27th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
  683. Oh, and in regards to the medical malpractice againts CPH, you posted on ws that CPH was found guilty of medical malpractice twice. I then replied and stated that you were spreading false rumors and LIES about CPH because he NEVER had a malpractice decision against him. Even the best doctors from time to time are accused of malpractice. That is why EVERY doctor in New York State is REQUIRED to purchase malpractice insurance. The longer the career and busier a doctor’s schedule is, the more likely he might find himself on the receiving end of an accusation. Most of the time those cases do not ever make it to a trial.

    CPH was never found to be negligent in the two cases. There certainly weren’t any court decisions against him as you falsely reported (consciously or without your awareness if while your conscious state of mind was impaired due to mental disease).

    Any story worth telling is worth telling right. In your case, you are starting to convince me that your mind honestly believes the lies you are telling. So once again, you scare me because that is not normal. That is a clear sign of someone who needs to seek the assistance of a doctor immediately.

  684. ps149 on February 27th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
  685. Anyway, go ahead, throw more of your lies about me out for me to respond to. Throw them out here where I can actually defend myself and not on your blog where you and only YOU control what responses are published (interesting selection by the way. Not TOO disrespectful of the families and the victims by allowing the disgusting words to be published on your blog. Does everyone know that lets you choose what responses your readers get to see??? Very sick. sick indeed).

    If you have anything you want to state about me go right ahead. But just be prepared to know that I WILL expose every lie and false information you post about me. Go ahead, start writing. The more lies you post and I dispute, the more everyone will understand how disturbed you are.

  686. ps149 on February 27th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
  687. Apparently you don’t know how to read, ps149. I wasn’t writing directly to you. I said, “According to ps149…” Not directed at you. I directed a comment to CPH, so if you are he, then that comment was directed toward you.

    I never said CPH was found guilty. When TKAM asked if CPH had 2 medical neglect cases brought against him, you, ps149, said, “Not true.” Bold faced LIE.

    Unless you are CPH, you can’t state with absolute certainty truth or lies about CPH. You say you don’t know CPH, never met him or anyone related to him, yet you know exactly what is true or false about him?

    I think it’s YOU with a mental illness. You should go see CPH for that…

  688. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 6:26 am
  689. @ linda…you have no idea what these people are about. they would and are covering up for murder. just go ask karen gambino who doc taped over the security video in her presence. if you were her at this point that wouldnt bother you alittle? The Canning family – band of liars – Tom and his wife Elanor and their youngest son Justin are in too deep and have no choice but to continue lying. Gus – NEVER LET SG IN HIS HOME – so how can you believe anything else he says. How was he at the gate waiting for police but never saw Pak leave???? what did he tell the officer when he arrived and why is there no police report? This is not a normal community, these people will stop at nothing to perpetuate this lie. SG was murdered may 1, 2010 in Oak Beach by the LISK.


  690. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 6:44 am
  691. you have multiple people with 8 figure net worths in the community…..if they want to cover something up the oiba has the power, money, political clout, and a group of sick flukes willing to cover for a serial killer

    @ linda ….. you are way underestimating these people

  692. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 6:51 am
  693. “well from what i was told by a source,i wont tell.was that it is a group of very rich people.i lost one of my ny sources that told me stuff about this i have another.and well.they said those beach people are sticking together,so it has been really hard to get anything out of them cause one is always watching the other there to see who talks.and none of them are talking.” – wanda

    i’m a local resident and this is exactly whats happening…. but people are starting to talk. too many people know the truth for it to be kept a secret.

  694. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 6:57 am
  695. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 7:29 am
  696. Fluke

    You must re read my posts. since day one ive been sayin the same thing about GILGO..

    Are you sure that your neighbors are not cooperating at this point? Again, idk, my gut says they didnt know they were covering for murder…BTW the tape issue INFURIATES me and always has..

    These are not attacks on you, at this point, my only question is how do you make the LISK connection?? and do you think he worked alone??

  697. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 7:35 am
  698. also i would like to know how you know GUS never saw her?? i have questions about all things seen at the gate too…again I DO NOT know anything..just askin

  699. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 7:38 am
  700. IM from LI…and NOTHING would shock me

  701. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 7:41 am
  702. How can the average reader ever overlook JB and his crap as well?? understand the whole cast of characters are shady to say the least…

  703. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 7:45 am
  704. An investigation into his past leaves many questions as well..just questions..

  705. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 7:46 am
  706. @kelly

    i did not overlook your comments, myself and cheyrl have discussed…again, all points are valid, and SHOULD be respected..there has always been a rumor that that officers dog was was relieving itself..IDK, and your point is valid as well…it is mysterious

  707. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 7:55 am
  708. @linda, I know you weren’t asking me the question about the “one killer” and how CPH ties into LISK.

    My explanation is simple. 1982 (2 yrs before CPH graduated med school), Tina Foglia dismembered with “surgical precision”, strewn in garbage bags along Sunrise Highway. Last seen leaving with ONE MAN from a bar.

    1996 Jane Doe Fire Island, her head found among the other remains in Gilgo.

    LISK USED TO dismember, until it either became too time consuming or it was too much work for him to continue.

    This is why I believe CPH and ONLY CPH is LISK.

  709. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 8:04 am
  710. @Kelly

    it prompted a whole discussion on this point, for this poster, im just taking it all in…i have never had a lucid discussion with Fluke…so here goes..thats it..

  711. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 8:05 am
  712. @MM7

    No attacks here…would doc be the only suspect…at least you put the word “believe” sounds like a vry well thought out opinion that deserves to be looked into…but it does leave room for questions.

    I have thought of the term surgical precision myself..however being around fishermen for many years, and watching them gut fish can be considered surgical as well..your response is welcome

  713. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 8:10 am
  714. @ linda initially the group involved with covering this mess up had no idea what crimes had been commited. let’s not forget up until a week before the 48 hrs special was going to air CPH was sticking to his story of not ever calling MG. The whole picture has now become alot clearer, especially behinfd the gate of the OIBA. Residents know CPH is involved and its becoming increasingly clear residents Tom and Justin Canning know what happened to SG the morning of may 1, 2010. Canning was called before police by Barbara Brennan and he and his son, Justin, responded with their dog. The Cannings claim to have seen SG’s wet footprints and know the location where she supposedly entered the wetlands. CPH’s neighbor karen Gambino had this to say which was an honest but strange comment, like she was fully aware and not really that bothered by the fact that this behavior had been going on in oak beach for years…

    One local homeowner told CBS 2′s Jennifer McLogan that the bodies may have never been found if it weren’t for Gilbert’s disappearance.

    “We hope that she is still alive. But it has also brought up this whole investigation which I think, in my opinion, has been happening for years now, and might not have been ever looked into,” Karen Gambino said.
    – See more at:

    CPH has been at this a long time and his methods for luring and desposing of these women has evolved with time and technology. The geography that these crimes cover may seem at first random but after analyzing cph jobs, schedule, travel times and routes a patern emerges. These killings were anything but random and SG exposed the killer

  715. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Doc has claimed : “I never maintained “offices”for the practice of medicine at my home at 47 larboard court, Oak beach, New york”


    why dont you chime in TOO CLOSE…id love to hear your bs excuse to explain this one

    CPH = LISK

  717. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 8:23 am
  718. @All

    i believe, as others have stated, we must be very careful not to look at one and only one viewpoint to the exclusion of all others..i just dont believe this is an open and shut case, and that LE has somehow missed the simplicity of it..IMHO

  719. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am
  720. Fluke

    i remember Karens statement, IMO, she was talking about a group of bad boys…ok MO…but thnks again for being clear..I have said, and still maintain “everyone” from ground zero should be investigated, and can not be ruled out…that includes DOC

  721. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am
  722. What are your feelings about JB and his backround, i have no doubt him and doc had there relationship as you stated?? this guy has a questionable past too?? any thoughts? these are reasonable questions, and you know them best..

  723. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 8:34 am
  724. @Fluke

    i Do believe you have proved DOC has vry shady ways..but again..many of your neighbors do?? these are natural questions, i’m sure you understand…its the leap from liar, dirtbag to LISK …you know im not the only person who looks at JB and his parties..

  725. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 8:41 am
  726. Very, very rarely do you discuss JB…and you must understand he cant be must understand the questions about him…

  727. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 8:44 am
  728. she ran frantic and scared from HIS house…what are your thoughts??

  729. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 8:45 am
  730. Just playing devils advocate, but many doctors have malpractice cases against them..i mean im not sure that alone can be cause for suspicion of serial murder..MO…where the smoking gun? thats a loaded question, no one knows..and THAT is THE problem..MO

  731. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:05 am
  732. oh for heaven’s sake the tape was not destroyed. was not taped over by cph in front of karen. the tape was on a loop and taped over itself. broken record…we have already been here again and again.. lie lie lie.but the question that remains is why???

    i suspect that some of your problems may come from your being underendowed. little boy.

  733. too close too home on February 28th, 2013 at 9:12 am
  734. Fluke

    You MUST understand, we, outside the GATE…see JB as a possible suspect, or at least a POI…you MUST understand..his backround can’t be ignored..what do you believe went down at that house???

  735. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:16 am
  736. would there not have been an arrest if there was PROOF the tape was erased..not trying to provoke?? that must be illegal right?? why no arrest if theres being serious…the TAPE thing haunts everyone…

  737. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:19 am
  738. its sounds like an unbelievable amount of cover in the the time it took for police to arrive?? strange place that gilgo

  739. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:21 am
  740. That would be an ENORMOUS amount of pressure to put on karen in the midst of all that was going on…And NO, i would not hesitate to rat out CPH if i was witness to that…its asking too much..MO

  741. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:23 am
  742. there are some places my mind can go..i have kids..i might want to protect them…but i would not do that…at that time of night peoples minds would be tired…it would be asking a lot..but again, i dont know these people…

  743. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:26 am
  744. and theres just so much i think people would do to protect their kids or neighbors..not unheard of, not unbelievable..i personally would not get involved that way…kid or not..most people want to avoid trouble with cops and breaking the law..who could be thinkin that clearly in the early morn like that..idk…many questions

  745. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am
  746. However, how did pak leave you have to be buzzed out of gate??

  747. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:32 am
  748. and PLEASE someone tell me…where was Shannon…do you believe DOC pulled her in his home because the opportunity presented itself?? im not kidding , these are important questions that anyone would ask…

  749. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am
  750. no. you do not have to be buzzed out. gus said that he went back inside and woke up his wife, washed off the shaving cream and then went to the gate to wait for the police. pak could have easily exited that gate in that small amount of time. it is not a huge community.

    ive already told you all of this.

    bottom line. flukeyou claims to know all these facts. he would have to have been there to know actual ‘facts’. did gus open the door for shannon? did shannon just come in (door wasn’t locked) did he NOT open it. how do you know? WERE YOU THERE? i think yes. i think you cut thru dawns,or down the boardwalk and down the bayou and got in your truck and got her. grabbed her, isn’t there talk of a truck on the phone call?

    see…i can write stories too.

  751. too close too home on February 28th, 2013 at 9:50 am
  752. If my kid was at a party with hookers and drugs…then something goes wrong, the prostitute goes missing..i would immediately call an attorney…i WOULD NOT PUT MYSELF OR THE KID IN MORE TROUBLE BY COVERING UP..i just wouldn’t…id save my own innocent ass before covering for ANYONE…not getting deeper involved..thats just me….again i agree with Fluke..BIG MONEY..i cant relate..

  753. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:52 am
  754. Too Close

    i’m sry, ive tried to read and re read all posts..i missed that…thanks.

  755. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:53 am
  756. I’m not sure Fluke understands the enormous amt of compassion he’s being shown…it could be very easy and convienent to accuse him as well…and no one ever has..i just want answers, and this is the 1st time hes spoken to me without being disrespectful..i want to hear

  757. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 9:57 am
  758. and yes there was talk of a truck…don’t know where the info came from..and it has been discussed here..since it is NOT CONFIRMED AS FACT, we havent discussed it as such…vry vry few, on this site have ever used the word could we..idk..he deserves to be heard as long as hes being respectful…you guys live there, and the curiosity is natural..

  759. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:05 am
  760. He may very well be on to something, but as i said, when you state FACTS and ABSOLUTES, you must be prepared to answer simple the natural follow up?? i’m just not hearing those answers..he deserve a chance

  761. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:11 am
  762. @ too close tell us the story of cph’s home for wayward girls, how many times have you been to his home office? what kinds of scripts has he written you and your kids? what kind of recrational drugs have you done with the doc?

    get this thru ur head…im not who you think i am.

  763. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 10:12 am
  764. there is a huge burden when someone says without question ‘hes prove him innocent’…if that was the way it worked, anyone can accuse anyone of anything?? vry hard to defend yourself…so i assume he must know something..again..when you end with a statement like that, it kinda ends like to hear what he has to say

  765. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:18 am
  766. at this point, it seems t the reader, he just wants to taunt you…i just have simple questions..everyone does..nothing too deep am i answers..vry frustrating..and i’m literally giving him a golden opportunity..i dont get it…i guys live there not us

  767. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:21 am
  768. “Its a well know fact that you ran an office out of our home bozo!!!! how could you do this to me and the kids you animal. you admitted to me that SG was an accident…just tell the truth, caroline especially cant take it anymore and little charlie has enough on his plate as it is….we dont need him growing up to be like you!!!!! PLease Petee” — BH Quoted from

  769. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 10:22 am
  770. come on fluke??, who hasn’t done drugs..i mean, if you just want to speak to too close say so..i’m asking questions anyone would be curious know this..i dont get it..

  771. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:23 am
  772. Fluke

    what are your thoughts on JB and his backround??

  773. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:25 am
  774. how can he be dismissed as a POI??

  775. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:27 am
  776. why did Shannon run is fear for her life from his house???

  777. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:29 am
  778. how could any of your info hold up in court, these are BASIC follow up questions??

  779. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am
  780. Fluke

    if you cant answers these questions, which have been worded simply and respectfully, i dont see how you expect to ever be taken seriously…i will ask no more after today, as any reader will be able to draw their own conclusion..meaning..there are no have the floor..but after today, and anyone who follows this thread will have the same questions as myself..

  781. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 10:47 am
  782. @linda, speaking for myself, my first POI was JB. Then MP. I looked into JB hard, but my gut feeling after reading his statements to the press was not remotely the same as when I HEARD CPH say, “We need to find this girl IF SHE’S ALIVE.” That statement broken down says it is CPH’s opinion that she should NOT be found if she were dead. Who would say such a thing? Someone who doesn’t want her dead body to be found.

    Let’s not forget the other victims… even down to JUST GB4. If you take SG out of the mix, there’s still phone calls to little sisters, former pimps, taunting, stalking… no cell phones brought by the victims murdered AFTER May 1, 2010. The phone call to MG that her daughter was “treated” by CPH and that he sent her off with her driver, even though her driver hadn’t gone back to the neighborhood to look for SG at that point.

    All roads lead to CPH. JB, MP, and all those other neighbors were pawns in CPH’s chess game. Disposable people to him to redirect culpability away from himself.

    CPH knew who was going in and out of the neighborhood. He could sit at his computer and watch for himself. JB probably took SG to CPH’s to get a script. If SG had a bad reaction, she would run towards CPH’s, since HE wrote the script. Of course she would go to the doctor who gave her the script. She probably thought JB and MP were the ones who requested the drug CPH wrote the script for. That’s why she was so afraid of them and ran STRAIGHT TO CPH.

  783. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am
  784. JB = liar, drug user, sex addict………not killer, displays no characteristics of a serial killer. initially lie to police to cover up partying and solicitation. polygraph inconclusive

    CPH = liar, drug user, sex (wanabe) addict….fits perfectly the profile of a serial killer, has displayed problems with control issues his entire adult life. has dilusions of alternate personalities, has imprsonated LE official of various agencies his entire adult life. has had financial problems and inconsistent employment history.There is a pattern of contact with the families, he lied about calling MG but later admits to multiple phone calls. His actions after the SG incident are clearly not that of an innocent man and the police are never going to say who their prime suspect is until he’s in cuffs…..theres no evidence that exculpates CPH from sg’s murder or any of the other girls…..

  785. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 11:48 am
  786. @ linda ….do you seriously think CPH is not on this site? posting and trying to run interference. you really think hes sitting down in florida enjoying the sun minding his own business?

  787. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 11:51 am
  788. @Fluke

    this i can not tell you..heres how i feel..the more information we gather the better..when you both speak clearly, not cryptically, others have a chance to hear another point of view..this may help to educate..jog someones memory..

    I will never pretend i’m even close to having this figured out..i can only say im interested in hearing all points of view..

    im not sure in anyway that SG ran to DOCs house cause she was having a bad reaction to script, i can not say a street smart prostitute would take a drug she wasnt familiar with…IS IT POSSIBLE…YES..

    anything is possible..thank you for being clear..all info is important..

  789. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
  790. @Fluke

    It’s more than probable LISK is reading, and laughing..with that in mind, please understand that ANYONE who differs in opinion with you is not by default the LISK or part of the cover up..healthy suspicion is one thing..accusing everyone of serial murder who is not you, is quite another..i do not believe that will help solve this or get your message heard in any way..

  791. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
  792. when you put out absolutes, you know there will be questions..they should be you answered…questions are not ALWAYS distractions..they should be welcomed, as they give you a forum to plead your case…thnks

  793. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
  794. Except that she didn’t run straight to Hackett’s.
    Shannan knocked on at least, two other doors that we know of; with Colletti’s being the first and Barbara’s the last.

    It’s more likely that, Shanan told Hackett where she’d been. And that’s apparently more than she’d told Colletti.

    But then,for some reason, she ran from him.
    (when you’re in a panic, everybody moves too slow)

    Barbara B. is the last credible witness to have seen Shannan alive and running into the scrub brush at the back of their homes.

    It would follow that someone ran in behind her, and caught her at the point where her clothing was found.

    It also follows, that the same witness who saw Shannan running back there also saw who ran in behind her and has given a description to police.

    I’m also fairly certain more than three neighbors called the police that morning.

  795. Cheryl#1 on February 28th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
  796. I am not convinced SG called 911 ran from JBs house and avoided her driver, because she was having a bad reaction to a drug…she may have even requested the script herself..however i have always suspected DRUG use plays a major role in all this, in some way..idk..MHO

  797. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
  798. Meaning, i do not think she ran to DOCS house on purpose..

  799. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
  800. @Cheryl

    you beat me to it..

  801. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
  802. MM7

    i recall reading on your blog that ALL residents had the capability of watching the gate..something about nosy neighbors??

  803. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
  804. as far as JBs poly..inconclusive is inconclusive..still feel there is a variety of suspects behind the gate

  805. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
  806. including

  807. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
  808. @Mysterymom7, once again you are demonstrating how your injured brain twists facts to make them appear to fit the way you want them to. All of the websites you posted in an attempt to prove that CPH ran a medical practice out of his home PROVE NOTHING.

    IF you are going to attempt to investigate this case sitting in your pajamas in front of your computer with the kids screaming in the background you’d at least should do some real actual research instead of just posting links.

    IF you actually did any sort of research you’d have discovered that EVERY licensed physician who renews his license while he doesn’t have an actual place of business will have their HOME ADDRESS listed as their place of business/office mailing address. The only thing you have confirmed by posting a dozen links with CPH’s Oak Beach address is that he used his home address as his address of record to renew his medical license. I just Googled ten NY physicians who I can think of who recently retired or closed their practices within the past twenty years and each one of them has their HOME ADDRESS listed EXACTLY the way CPH’s home address appears on each of those websites you are pointing at.

    So your super awesome fool-proof investigating has proved to be nothing more than smoke & mirrors and a horrifically disgraceful display of misleading information designed to discredit a man that still deserves the American right to be considered INNOCENT until proven guilty by a jury of he peers. Your allegiance to a totalitarianism method of publicly convicting CPH without any true substantial evidence is sickening.

    Can you be any more ANTI-AMERICAN you lying coward??

  809. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
  810. MM7

    i see pages and pages of my posts , but i can’t seem to find that piece of info you posted any longer, is it still available on your blog??

  811. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
  812. “Barbara B. is the last credible witness to have seen Shannan alive and running into the scrub brush at the back of their homes.

    It would follow that someone ran in behind her, and caught her at the point where her clothing was found.

    It also follows, that the same witness who saw Shannan running back there also saw who ran in behind her and has given a description to police.” If this is true why wasnt she found that morning by the scpd? the only ob residents to call 911 were gus and bb….bb called tom c before calling the police.

  813. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
  814. @ Flukeyou.

    Enough already with your vendetta against CPH.

    At this point I doubt it very much that anyone cares to listen to your childish rants. You are worse than a sissy 2nd grader complaining to the school principal that he lost his place in the lunch line.

    Before you poisoned Mysterymom7′s mind with your completely biased campaign of lies aimed at seeking revenge against CPH, did you happen to tell her the TRUTH about why you have such a vendetta against CPH, Gus, the Cannings and the rest of the neghborhood?

    @Linda, Cheryl#1, M.D. Rice & others- you do know the truth about FlukeYou and why he has such a big reason to lie and seek revenge right? If not, I will be more than happy to share with you.

  815. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
  816. @ps149 … did doc run his office out of his home at the beach?

  817. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
  818. @ps149 …. lets hear ur reasons, this should be entertaining. An honest man has nothing to fear.

  819. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
  820. @Flukeyou, Why don’t you tell everyone how Doc & the others voted you and your parents out of the association/community?

    Or about the times you attempted to run them down with your car?

    Or spit on them when they walked by?

    Or how Gus posted that embarrassing letter about your family on the bulletin board for everyone to read?

    Or how it is well documented that you and your family were never liked by anyone in the community?

    Are you going to tell everyone or shall I post links to all the proof for everyone to read and expose you for being nothing more than a jealous man on a mission to get even for all the hurt you and your mommy and daddy received from those people for all of those years.

    Go ahead.

    Tell everyone how the Scalise family were the outcasts of the neighborhood.

  821. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
  822. ps149… please share. i value your opinions.

    and flukeyou…yes you are you are joe jr s. and you are one sick mf.

  823. too close too home on February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
  824. @PS149

    ive been accused the same as i’m her target..i know theres bad blood..she seeks her own truth..

    what goes on between you and her i will not comment disrespected as i feel by her, her real name should not have used..i hope she did not threaten you, nor do i think anyone should be threatened..

    i know Fluke has an axe to grind..we all do..with that said, understand the tone has changed… no more fact this n that..its now ‘IMO’ or in her case “i believe”..thats enough for me..get it

    im not stupid…lets not further anything on this site but a collective wish that the monster/monsters are brought to justice..

    when anyone speaks respectfully, they should be heard..again, i’m by no means the brightest bulb…but i’m not a complete idiot..

    the victims and justice..

  825. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
  826. however, you are free to share if you wish..i believe too close has made a request..


  827. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
  828. EVERYONE at GROUND ZERO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A POI, if today doesn’t prove it..what more can be said..truth indeed

  829. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
  830. @PS149

    at this point, you know you will get no answers..only questions in return..LE has their work cut out for them…can’t believe one person behind the gate..bad blood..way too much time and MONEY FOR TRUTH

  831. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
  832. meanwhile their backyard is a graveyard!!! who to trust..

  833. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
  834. shameful for the world to see..

  835. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
  836. Has anyone done any research under Suffolk County Clerk’s office in regards to JB or CPH…there is some info there, not sure what to make of it. Just thought again, I’d put in my 2cents.

  837. kelly on February 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
  838. @kelly

    what type of info??

  839. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
  840. @Linda, I think the nosey neighbor comment is under the post “Control”? I’d have to go back and double check that’s the right one. I’m pretty sure you can search key words in a post?

    There’s a difference between a “business” address and a “practice” address. It’s distinct. It shows a blatant lie from CPH. Period. Try to twist that lie any way you want and it’s still a lie.

  841. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
  842. So all neighbors can monitor the gate.

  843. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
  844. Just for the record, I have my own mind and am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions. My opinions about CPH came well before anything fluke has said. I’ve never even met fluke so not sure why you would think I would let anyone have such power and control over my thoughts and opinions.

    What kind of scum bag, controlling neighbors try to VOTE a FAMILY out of their home?! That’s pretty messed up! So glad I don’t have neighbors that could ever even TRY that! Geez!

    Where was fluke in 1982 when Tina Foglia was dismembered with surgical precision?

  845. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
  846. ALL

  847. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
  848. why not say All…you post suggesting only doc had the capability..just to clarify…thnks

  849. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
  850. I believe it’s some private server that can be accessed by the residents. I can’t give that info with 100% certainty, I can only give with 100% certainty that it was possible to pull it up on your home computer. I just don’t know HOW exactly.

  851. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
  852. I commented above, Linda, that I believe CPH and ONLY CPH is responsible for ALL those murders. I’ve come to that conclusion over months of familiarizing myself with this case. My opinion isn’t just because one or two wrote so.

  853. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
  854. If I wasn’t 99.9% sure CPH was LISK, I wouldn’t be so vocal about my thoughts and opinions.

    Btw, I think SG thought she was getting a script for something other than what she had asked for. I think that’s why she thought JB and MP were conspiring to kill her.

  855. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
  856. The real question should be, what kind of family is a capable of repeatably upsetting an entire neighborhood with so much intensity to earn a majority vote against them after countless requests for them to cease their undesirable behavior without it having to come to a vote?

    Just imagine what type of disrespectful behavior it would take to reach the point where there is no other choice left but to bring the matter to a vote.

    Then imagine what kind of hatred that family would have against their entire neighborhood.

    Then imagine a judge ruling that such a vote is not entirely constitutional because the expulsion from the neighborhood could have resulted in the forfeiture of the value of their homes.

    Then imagine that family choosing to still live in the neighborhood where they were not welcome by any of their neighbors.

    Could anyone blame them for holding a grudge?

    Can you imagine how thick the tension had grown?

    I can post proof of this but I think I might want to start a new discussion for it.

  857. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
  858. Mysterymom7, you can stop it already with the “CPH wrote a script” theory because here in New York, that would have been entirely IMPOSSIBLE. Scripts are serial numbered and electronically controlled in New York State. Narcotic scripts have the added security of requiring a controlled-substance script.

    I don’t know how it works down in Florida but up here in New York it would have been impossible for CPH to write a script for anyone without it showing up in the database immediately. It would have also been impossible for SG to fill such a prescription without using proper NEW YORK STATE ID (Which it’s been claimed she DID NOT have) and without such prescription showing up immediately in the data base too. The entire CVS prescription theory is nothing more than a desperate attempt to imply that perhaps the homicide squad isn’t bright enough to think of such an obvious thing to look for. Do not suggest any further that such a prescription could have been written by CPH and filled by or for SG without the immediate detection of the authorities. The authorities bust doctors all the time here in New York for writing unwarranted prescriptions. Pharmacies cannot restock their supplies of medications either without an electronic trail showing who each and every pill was sold to and who the prescribing physician was for each patient. It’s a very easy to search database.

    If it were really that simple then CPH would be behind bars.

    There was no prescription.

    Enough already with the silly theories that are designed to put doubt in the minds of the public.

  859. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
  860. TooClose

    I’ve seen a number of similar rants/accusations on threads pertaining to civic matter at Oak Beach.


  861. Cheryl#1 on February 28th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
  862. And as far as CPH’s address goes, there is no difference between a business address and a practice address. Why make up this nonsense?

    Here is the change of address form-

    You show us where anyone can list their “practice address” as you falsely claim.

    PLEASE- stop writing about stuff that you don’t know anything about. This isn’t your blog where your mental illness can run ramped and allow you to write whatever you want. Every time you write something false like that here I am going to be on hand to point out to everyone the lies and incorrect information you are giving out so you might want to think twice before you write any more garbage that you can think of off of the top of your head without actually doing any REAL research.

    Unless, you are researching but are having difficulty comprehending what it is you are reading. in that case you have no business accusing an innocent man of over ten murders based upon your incompetence.

  863. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
  864. @ Cheryl#1

    What are you suggesting?

  865. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
  866. Its misleading if i may be so bold

  867. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
  868. Misleading in that you don’t think I speak the truth about Fluke’s family and what they went through?

  869. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
  870. that comment in regrds to: CPH can watch his neighbors..if in fact anyone can…

  871. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
  872. @MM7
    sounds like you are falsely trying to bolster your opinions

  873. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
  874. PS149

    that comment was in regards to mm7 stating that CPH can watch the gate..sry..

  875. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
  876. @ps149

    The tension is vry thick…so much so, that i would not be surprised if tensions boil over, in a bad way

  877. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
  878. @ps149

    A triplicate could be traced in a NY minute..correct

  879. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
  880. @ps149

    the speculation about scripts arise from SGs phone records..however, if a script was filled, no less a triplicate..easy as hell to trace

  881. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
  882. @All

    whatever she saw/experienced at JBs scared the shit out of a dark unknown place with ZERO help..FACT

  883. linda on February 28th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
  884. @ps149
    I’m saying I’ve seen his comments concerning community/civic matters in on – line Long Island sites and newspapers.
    Generally short, unsubstantiated accusations; traffic lights, pension funds, lay offs, Parks Department…. things of that nature.

  885. Cheryl#1 on February 28th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
  886. @ps149

    CPH left himself wide open. Why he inserted himself into this whole thing, I don’t know.
    Fluke is constantly on the hunt for any situation in his community that can be used to launch an attack on neighbors, board members and politicians. Hackett volunteered himself to be perfect target.

  887. Cheryl#1 on February 28th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
  888. As for the scripts: Thank you.
    I stand corrected.

  889. Cheryl#1 on February 28th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
  890. @Cheryl#1 at first glance it might appear that Hackett inserted himself into this situation. But I have to ask, how do we know for sure?

    What if Hackett knew nothing about SG until MP and AP came knocking on his door?

    What if MP & AP were TOLD to go to CPH’s house by Fluke when they knocked on Fluke’s door?

    What if Fluke or his mom or dad TOLD MP & AP that CPH was a member of the board and could assist them and be their “official contact” within the community?

    Everyone is assuming that CPH inserted himself into this case. But what if he was unknowingly lured in??

  891. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
  892. I just wrote an email to start a new topic addressing the distractions being caused by the vendetta against CPH. How long does the administrator of this website take to post new emails?

  893. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
  894. @linda, the reason I say I can’t state I know with 100% accuracy how the video system works is because I don’t know. I have no problem saying I don’t know something if that’s the case.

  895. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
  896. ps149, I don’t know how you, who claims to not know CPH, never met him and don’t know anyone who knows him, can dispel anything ANYONE writes about CPH. Unless you are CPH, you are giving SPECULATIONS about what is/is not truth about CPH, just like me and anyone else who chooses to believe what they want about CPH.

    I never met the guy, I’m giving my opinion on what I BELIEVE may be the truth. I can’t say with 100% certainty that CPH is LISK, but I BELIEVE 99.9% he is. If you are like me and never met him, then you can choose to BELIEVE what you want about CPH, but you can’t call ME a LIAR for NOT BELIEVING your OPINION of what is/is not FACT.

  897. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
  898. ps149, about CPH inserting himself in the case: if what you’re stating is the way it happened, why did CPH deny he made ANY calls to MG? If it was so innocent as that claim that AD and MP asked CPH to call MG, why lie about it? Most people don’t lie about things unless they have something to hide. So, why did CPH lie? ESPECIALLY if AD and MP said they were looking for a MISSING WOMAN. I know I would be extra careful about lying if that were the case.

  899. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
  900. As for scripts… ok, if that’s the case, maybe JB and SG didn’t leave the neighborhood. They went to CPH’s and got SOME med that CPH had in his home. SG may still have thought JB and MP knew EXACTLY what CPH gave them to give to her. That would be why she would run from MP. I believe she ran from Gus’s since MP was following her. BB’s home is right near CPH’s, maybe she was a little confused on which house was his since she didn’t drive? Plus, BB never let her in. Supposedly she was last seen running into CPH’s back yard. She somehow disappeared before police show up?

  901. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
  902. As for the neighbors, what ever happened to neighbors minding their own f’ing business? Nosey ass neighbors to the point they are so up in one family’s business they try to kick them out of their HOMES? Who the F ARE those kind of neighbors?

    How ’bout you turn it around and then all those board members who LOST the lawsuit against that family that they tried to vote out would be so butthurt they might say that family’s son may be responsible for SG’s disappearance… just because the family fought back, won, and decided to stick around and shove a big flukeyou to those nosey ass neighbors. Hmmm… food for thought…

  903. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
  904. ps149, did you ever hear about Mrs. S’s lawsuit against the OIBA that settled for close to $1 mil. Doesn’t really sound like a reason to be too PO’d.

  905. mysterymom7 on February 28th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
  906. I’d love to see the documentation……..sounds like a sick gang of people living over there trying to control people’s lives

  907. Flukeyou on February 28th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
  908. Mysterymom you are doing it again. You are posting lies and rumors that you cannot back up with an ounce of proof.

    SG was last seen running into CPH’s backyard????

    Are you really that sick of a person???

    Where does your twisted brain come up with this garbage?

    Do you think you read that somewhere in a newspaper?

    Are you going to claim that somebody from Oak Beach told you this info?

    When you make a false statement like that you are either telling a LIE in an attempt to convince others that CPH killed SG or you are too mentally handicapped to comprehend that your statement is completely false and without substance.

    So let’s hear your pathetic explanation for telling this LIE.

  909. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
  910. @Flukeyou. You already know everything Joey. If I chose to provide any documentation it will be purely for everyone else to learn what you won’t admit to.

    Are you actually going to deny that you and mom and dad have major reasons to HATE CPH, GC, and the others?

    Cut any trees down illegally lately in your neighborhood Joey????

  911. ps149 on February 28th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
  912. @149

    Either someone called claiming to be Hackett – which could very well be the case – or Hackett himself made calledMari Gilbert.
    If someone using his phone made those calls ,then for some reason, Hackett isn’t saying who.
    Assuming Shannan went to Hackett’s- at all – then the normal response would be for him to call the police just as Gus and Barbara had done.
    Remember. We can reasonably believe that Shannan went to Colletti’s and we can prove Barbara called the police but how can we believe anything concerning Hackett?

    These calls were made long after everything died down – as opposed to when it was happening.

    Hackett should be deposed.

    Did he know about Shannan the same way half the neighborhood did and then insert himself? He’s been known to do that.
    Mari Gilbert said the caller was “claiming” to be Hackett and that, even now, she can’t honestly say who it was. But the calls were made from his phone.
    Hackett must answer the Who and Why.
    Could he have been set up and afraid to talk?
    Yes. Absolutely.

  913. Cheryl#1 on March 1st, 2013 at 5:11 am
  914. @ps149

    How long does it take for Admin to post a new email?
    A Year and a Day.

  915. Cheryl#1 on March 1st, 2013 at 5:19 am
  916. @ps149 ….post the info

  917. Flukeyou on March 1st, 2013 at 6:57 am
  918. No, ps149, I’m not posting “lies and rumors” I’m posting THEORIES. Do you not comprehend?

  919. mysterymom7 on March 1st, 2013 at 7:18 am
  920. Lol @Cheryl… year and a day is about right!

  921. mysterymom7 on March 1st, 2013 at 7:18 am
  922. ps149…post the info…yes! and if you have a copy of the letter gus posted at the gate…please…post that too…

    and btw. evelyns back problems are primarily caused by her WEIGHT

  923. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 8:32 am
  924. @too close yes I am waiting for the admin here to start my new discussion.

    Also, very interesting about Evelyn since she claimed to have been jogging at night time and tripped and fell over a wooden boardwalk being repaired.

    So silly.

    Not a million dollar settlement either.

    Not even close.

    More LIES.

  925. ps149 on March 1st, 2013 at 8:50 am
  926. @All

    How anyone cant’t be looking into JB closer is beyond me…ill never believe LE isn’t all over him.

    At this point, i now believe if JB was having one of his FAMOUSLY known parties, there wouldve been plenty of drugs already guess crack. I just don’t believe SG is willingly taking any drug from a John..was she slipped something?., could very well be..possible, but why not tell pak?? why is she running from him too??

    JB has very similar past to shulman, so i’m not buying he could never be a POI..

    One of JBs former tenants, and child, are still believed one point i know LE thought the remains of mother and child were them…they were not

    SG is no way calling 911 unless she had a damn good reason..

    “they’re trying to kill me”

  927. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 9:42 am
  928. She wasn’t screaming..’they drugged me”

  929. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 9:44 am
  930. @ALL

    pak would’ve known he was going to catch MAJOR shit for leaving her…i don’t believe a word out of his mouth either

  931. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 9:49 am
  932. @All

    If cops showed up while Pak was there, he couldve told them him and Shannon were invited to JBs party..and Jb wouldve backed the story..MO..again, these are just thoughts, i have many questions?? nothing fits

  933. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 9:54 am
  934. linda..with all due respect. you are claiming that jb had famous parties amoung other things. please understand that this party claim is also one of flukeyou’s ‘facts’. all that you state are from flukeyou. take that into consideration.
    jogging at night and tripped over a piece of the boardwalk that was being repaired. evelyn jogging at night…HAHAHAHA!!! oh hell, evelyn jogging at all ever! not on those cankles. HAHAHA!! oh thank you!!!!

  935. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 9:57 am
  936. very silly…considering where that boardwalk is located… and how fat evelyn is. jogging indeed.
    the boardwalk that connectsfrom the fairway to the bayou. convenient for fluke

  937. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 10:01 am
  938. I”m not convinced SG didn’t get paid..its pay before you play…

  939. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am
  940. @Tooclose

    famously known to neighbors…didn’t get that from fluke..he was known to frequent prostitutes and smoke crack..

  941. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:09 am
  942. These are things i read or heard from media?? my only sources..again your neighbor..who is JB??..don’t you think its valid to take a closer look??

  943. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:12 am
  944. @TooClose

    i’m open to any info..what is your take on why SG ran there in fear for her life??

  945. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:14 am
  946. ran from JBs that is

  947. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:14 am
  948. according to several media accounts, pak told gus that he was “at a party at joe brewers and one of the guests ‘got upset’ and he was looking for her.” that is why the police went to jbs house that morning. had gus not confronted pak, we wouldn’t even know which house she was at.

    mysterymon7 – you said someone saw sg run into cph’s ‘backyard’? can you back that up? where did you hear this? i didn’t hear that one. not attacking, would like to investigate the reference.

  949. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 10:15 am
  950. Its also what the DRIFTER claims in his book..and yes i know the book was partly fictionalized…late night calls from hookers, crack..

  951. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:20 am
  952. @Too close

    I really am curious on your take on JB…if you want to share.

  953. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:22 am
  954. @TooClose

    I appreciate that info about never made sense to me…thanks..and no one here has ever put that info forward

  955. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:24 am
  956. i think it is probable that she was slipped a roofy by jb, maybe he did not know she even had a driver. she definately saw something to freak her out. there were several calls back and forth with pak, whatever she wanted from him she wasn’t getting.maybe she didn’t trust him either. don’t know why. gus said she could barely stand and stumbled down the decks steps. that isn’t crack. she would have been hyper-aware on crack. whatever happened, it started at jb’s. as far as i know, only two neighbors saw sg that morning, gus and bb.

    every other tale is from flukeyou.

  957. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 10:29 am
  958. i put it forth many times in the begining. i got tired of repeating myself.
    pak would have been in bigger shit if he stayed and spoke to the cops. he had warrants, so did shannan

  959. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 10:35 am
  960. @TooClose

    It shows, at least to me, that GC really WAS trying to help…not cover up

  961. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:37 am
  962. @TooClose
    According to what I know, Pak never told Gus she was at J Brewer’s party; and to my knowledge, Gus never said that he did.
    He certainly didn’t in the 48Hours interview .

    And why would Pak tell a complete stranger, it was Brewer’s house when Brewer was a John and Pak himself would be implicated in illegal activities?
    Gus indicated the direction Shannan came running from, nothing more.
    Some reporters can be careless, lazy and sloppy.

  963. Cheryl#1 on March 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am
  964. @TooClose

    Holy crap!! that makes so much sense..MD may have been right after all..if she died accidentally, in my mind, it wouldve been because she PASSED OUT..not cracked out…still, why take off her clothes??

    anyway, i really do appreciate…willing to share on the type of guy JB was..if not i get it

  965. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am
  966. @Too Close

    thank you…However, like i said..SG had to be freaked out to calls cops, even more so if she had warrants. .

  967. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am
  968. If pak had warrants…i get it…thanks

  969. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:48 am
  970. TooClose
    The only credible witnesses were Gus and B.B.

    As for the goings on at OB, I won’t contradict you the S. family had major beef with a great deal of people.

    How disgusting is it to use this tragedy as an opportunity to smear them all; and this is not the first time I’ve said that here.

  971. Cheryl#1 on March 1st, 2013 at 10:49 am
  972. Im pretty sure JB knew she had a driver..the guy knows how the “game” works..

  973. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am
  974. @Cheryl

    Ditto!! nasty

  975. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 10:56 am
  976. @All

    if she did die accidentally from being slipped a drug, isn’t it also possible JB/and or buddies..would have motive to cover up?? that is if they were total scumbags..

  977. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 11:28 am
  978. the worst part cheryl#1 is that he is hurting the families of the victims. using them, lying to them. how cruel.

  979. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 11:30 am
  980. does anyone know if any of the other girls have a driver? someone brought them to ny, yes, but a driver to the rondevouz? or did they arrange to be picked up by the ‘john’. maybe he wasn’t expecting a driver, maybe he assumed she drove herself.

    that is a question that jb and pak could answer. might be significant?

  981. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 11:34 am
  982. @Tooclose

    understand, ive taken nothing (pretty sure) from fluke..i have tried subtly and no so subtly to show my feelings..he scares me and he knows it…if for no other reason than his hatred is RED HOT..not to say i don’t have other feelings…i won’t smear him, i can only go by the seething hate and bitterness that oozes from his posts..nuff said

  983. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 11:43 am
  984. @Tooclose

    Im glad your here..among others..its the voice of reason..don’t know bout the other girls, regarding drivers…as far as i know drivers are common place, and take the girls to the john..

  985. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 11:46 am
  986. i’m not a prostitute..heard many stories..have friends that use their service..thats where i get my info

  987. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 11:48 am
  988. i’m sorry for the pain at gilgo..rumors only add to tremendous tragedy…they stick like must be real way to defend yourself…its gross

  989. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 11:52 am
  990. @TooClose

    younger prostitutes may have been more careless/reckless, and set up dates with no driver..IMHO

  991. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am
  992. @ ps149..sounds like you have a bone to pick with the Scalise family. if these people were doing thes horrible things why werent they ever arested and charged with any crime. Sounds like a group of really sick people that would even think about kicking families out of their homes. Isnt it true the Scalise family has three houses at the beach and the son the oiba was trying to expell didnt even live there at the time? Do alittle research on Mrs scalise’s case, it was settled by the oiba insurance company for just under a million bucks….

    post the info…you opened ur big mouth, lets see what you got

  993. Flukeyou on March 1st, 2013 at 12:08 pm
  994. @TooClose

    thats why all my questions regarding Pak…something real bad went down at JBs..ive been assuming he knows more because he was there…i DO see where your coming from

  995. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 12:20 pm
  996. it doesn’t add up that..he would be a witness?? unless hes much much more involved than is known,,IDK

  997. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
  998. imagine how far the s family took it for their neighbors to even consider it. twisted bunch. gee, joey why not tell the story of how your parents met? open the can and the worms come out.

    flukeyou claims not to be who i say he is. so what about that video on chanel 11? the one of you punking gus, right after his knee replacement. sure made you feel like a big man huh? hmmm? did you think that went away? think again. might be a good idea not to physically assault your neighbors on camera, and then speak about it on facebook. you outted yourself. little joey.

  999. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 12:38 pm
  1000. crazy shit

  1001. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 1:02 pm
  1002. if evelyn were out joggin the community would have billed her to repair the potholes.

  1003. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 1:04 pm
  1004. you’re killin me :)

  1005. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 1:25 pm
  1006. Pretty sure it was Dormer who said it was that area she entered the marsh. Basically right into CPH’s back yard.

  1007. mysterymom7 on March 1st, 2013 at 1:41 pm
  1008. @TooClose

    I doubt the others barely even made any money, let alone have a driver.
    But Shannan did make money. She was hired by an escort service for a while so was a bit more savvy, as opposed to the others who just put up an ad.

    Nevertheless, the end result was the same.

    If Shannan left the City, even though she’d already had two “dates”, to travel all the way out to Oak Beach (gas tolls et. al.) she must have been convinced – beforehand – it was sure money.
    If not, she left a lucrative city, on a busy night on a Maybe or worse, what could have been a complete hoax.
    And that makes no sense. If Brewer (supposedly) asked Shannan if she were a man, then Shannan and he had never met.
    That leaves Pak who, as a driver, may have “hooked up” one or two clients on his own.

    But NOT for murder!

  1009. Cheryl#1 on March 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm
  1010. dormer.

  1011. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 2:17 pm
  1012. It wasn’t anyone’s back yard or for that matter, you could say it was Barbara’s too.
    She ran behind the houses and into the marsh.

    Dormer also said (I’ll never get passed this) that Shannan, ran out of her shoes and onto the sharps reeds (oblivious they were cutting her feet to shreds) and that her pants were torn completely off – at the waist – by the scrub brush.

    A giant man eating Venus Fly Trap sounds more plausible.

    He’s since retired.

  1013. Cheryl#1 on March 1st, 2013 at 5:33 pm
  1014. cheryl, exactly! reeds(fragmite) were spears(sprouting)! and would have gone thru her feet, i wonder if the autopsy shows any damage to the bones in her feet? it means alot.

    forget anything dormer said. his scenerio is not plausible. he and spoto publicly argued about his statements for a reason.

  1015. too close too home on March 1st, 2013 at 6:11 pm
  1016. @Fluke

    I have no beef against the Scalise family. I have a beef with YOU for misleading the weak impressionable minded people along with the vulnerable people desperate for answers.

    Since the beginning you’ve been on a mission that has violated the civil rights of CPH and many of your other neighbors,

  1017. ps149 on March 1st, 2013 at 7:48 pm
  1018. Not to mention the false hope you have given SG’s family.

  1019. ps149 on March 1st, 2013 at 7:49 pm
  1020. The way you’ve fed your desire to fulfill your personal vendetta against that man and disguised yourself as a concerned resident looking to assist the families is beyond disgraceful. You played so many people. Used them as your pawns. Your game of lies and deceit are over.

  1021. ps149 on March 1st, 2013 at 7:54 pm
  1022. @ps149

    dont be so vry sure Fluke is that influential..only MM7 mimics his words like a twin..painful and disgusting as the unfounded accusations are, you just may be giving credit where none is due…i’m not sure ANYONE buys the hype..but it is for sure low down, dirttbag behavior..don’t be so sure no one can see, …not helping victims or families, thats for damn sure..really sad and depraved about distractions…how sad, really now..just sad all around..all of it

  1023. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 8:15 pm
  1024. judge not , lest u be judged… there’s a code of honor, a golden rule, if you will…Fluke disregards all those unspoken rules, he has opened himself up for the ultimate judgment…does that sound sane?? think about it…its, dumb..messing with karma..real low down dirttbag shit…too close is doing a great job…giving too much credit to someone with an axe to grind..i think i speak for the majority..its almost too easy to see through? don’t ya think??

  1025. linda on March 1st, 2013 at 8:22 pm
  1026. @Linda. Well spoken. 100% I see what you mean and agree with you.

    My only worries is in regards how much this case could benefit from MG’s lawsuit against CPH and how the grounds for the case surviving could be jeopardy if her attorney’s people did not do their homework investigating the backgrounds of everyone from the Oak Beach community who they were planning to depose as witnesses.

    The problem with MG’s lawsuit is that it is based upon only two key points-

    1) The content of the phone call(s) between CPH & MG,


    2) The accusation that CPH ran a medical practice out of his house where he attempted to treat SG and then released her.

    Every single aspect of that legal complaint is built upon these two key points.

    The problem for MG is that point #1 is neutralized immediately because it’s a he said/she said scenario. MG will say that CPH told her on the phone that he treated SG. CPH will deny it. All the arguments about whether or not he denied making the call or whether or not there are phone records proving a May 2nd phone call are completely irrelevant. I know some people think these are big deals but at the end of the day its not illegal to call someone on the phone just as it is not illegal to deny calling someone. Likewise, the date of the calls or the number of the calls made mean absolutely nothing. The only thing that would matter would be the content of the phone call(s). When it comes down to proving the content of a conversation that took place between only two people and each person’s recollection of the content contradicts the other person’s version, the entire argument is irrelevant to proving anything because there is not way to prove which version of what was said is the correct one.

    With key point #1 not able to prove that a case should exist against CPH, all that MG’s complaint has left is key point #2 (that CPH ran a medical practice out of his home where he treated SG). Now despite what anyone thinks, Google searches that produce webpages that list CPH’s place of practice as his home does not constitute legal proof that CPH ran a practice out of his house. A perfect example would be, let’s say I planned to run a medical practice out of a condo in Fort Meyers where I would plan to start seeing patients on June 1st. Before I could run that practice legally, I would have to change the place of business on my medical license with the State of Florida. I would also have to switch my address on my malpractice insurance. Then, at some point before June 1st I would more than likely secure a telephone listing and maybe some paid advertisements. Now all of this would be in place as of, let’s say May 15th, yet I’d still hadn’t seen a single patient. A simple Google search on May 15th would most likely yield dozens of webpages that gave the appearance that I run a practice out of my house (despite not seeing one patient yet).

    Get the drift?

    To prove that CPH ran a medical practice out of his home, MG’s attorney is going to need to produce some hard, indisputable evidence. A neighbor stating that CPH helped remove a splinter and put a band-aid on a finger ain’t gonna cut it. There has to be hardcore evidence that would include proof that within CPH’s home he maintained a room or rooms designated solely and properly equipped to provide patient care including reception rooms, examining rooms, treatment rooms, records rooms and a billing department. The proof would need to include some sort evidence that CPH kept regular business hours and had a means to track appointment bookings and manage patient billing. Those are the things that define a doctor maintaining a medical practice at a particular location.

    What I fear Linda is that MG’s case was planning on relying on the testimony of certain persons who reside within the OIBA community to substantiate that CPH ran a medical practice out of his home and also that he hold them that he treated SG with drugs to attempt to save her. We know that CPH didn’t state this so we can only conclude that MG directed her attorney’s staff to interview OIBA residents who MG learned would state these to be what they know. Here in lies the problem-

    There are basically only three types of residents in OIBA association-
    1) Those who don’t really know or speak with him.

    2) Those who CPH is friendly with and with whom he does speak with.

    3) The family who has the vendetta against CPH (including a few who dislike CPH because they are friendly with the family who has the vendetta against him).

    The problem is this-

    The only people who would know CPH well enough to speak directly to him are his friends who fully support CPH’s innocence (#2 above). Yet I fear that MG’s case to prove that CPH ran a practice out of his home where he treated SG might be based upon testimony from people who are in group #3. The problem is, if CPH doesn’t speak to that group directly (because they hate his guts) then how can any of them (especially FLUKE) know anything about what CPH said?

    I fear that the witness list for the lawsuit is going to read like the “who’s who” of people with a motive to lie about CPH to get even with him. I truly hope that MG’s attorney did his homework to verify the credibility of these so-called witnesses. Otherwise, the case won’t survive long enough for them to obtain depositions that can be used as a platform to search for some real answers and possible discrepancies between versions of what happened from everyone involved. The case could be an excellent tool to help all of us (and especially SG’s family) gain a better understanding about what happened to SG that evening. I’d hate to see it dismissed because it is discovered that the key witnesses have a long-standing personal vendetta against CPH.

    The discovery that the witnesses have a motive to defame the defendant would be more than enough to see that this case is dismissed.

  1027. ps149 on March 2nd, 2013 at 12:30 am
  1028. very nicely done ps149.

    i have been here for some time and have been saying this all along.

    without the jokes about evelyn (that was fun tho) how can you, evelyn, as a mother, allow your son to hurt the mothers of those poor little girls? how can you participate in this? you are just as evil. and you are the ones covering something up. at the expense of so many.

  1029. too close too home on March 2nd, 2013 at 7:26 am
  1030. @ps149

    if this is true, the results could be beyond tragic..i most certainty hope MGs attorney is aware of this, as all she’s ever wanted to do get some answers ..

    i didn’t realize the true impact of all this insane fighting…

  1031. linda on March 2nd, 2013 at 8:39 am
  1032. TooClose

    I realize this description is generic to the area however,

    I think the person disposing the bodies, worked out of doors, lives in the area and owns a boat and truck.
    He’s a serious fisherman and his intimate knowledge of the area and use of both burlap bags ( fish) and coverings (land), suggest, he makes a living using it.

    Parks Department.

  1033. Cheryl#1 on March 2nd, 2013 at 9:13 am
  1034. In other words:
    The Killer is a LOCAL!

  1035. Cheryl#1 on March 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 am
  1036. @ps149, you seem to know a lot of personal info about me, the S family, CPH, CPH’s court case, and how to get a medical practice up and running…

    Sounds like info CPH would have, or a stalking serial killer…

  1037. mysterymom7 on March 2nd, 2013 at 9:19 am
  1038. here is the thread where flukeyou threatens gus.

  1039. too close too home on March 2nd, 2013 at 9:31 am
  1040. I can’t even say Fluke is covering for anyone; just seized an opportunity to publicly embarrass neighbors and board members with long, disgusting, unfounded rants and accusations; and the only reason no one has bothered to sue him, is because no one takes him seriously.

    Still it takes a very dark mind to obsess to that magnitude.

  1041. Cheryl#1 on March 2nd, 2013 at 9:47 am
  1042. That’d be a hot one. Serial killer who can barely contain himself to the point he becomes a frequent commentor on a forum dedicated to his capture.

    For some reason, I think he prefers to watch.

  1043. Cheryl#1 on March 2nd, 2013 at 11:28 am
  1044. @Mysterymom7

    Thank you again for putting in writing a response that supports my suspicion that you are an extremely insecure person with irrational thoughts that may be caused by some sort of mental illness or emotional trauma.

    Every time I or anyone else attempts to expose the LIES & false rumors you and/or Fluke are spreading about CPH, you automatically accuse that person of either being CPH or the LISK.

    Talk about the post calling the kettle black.

    You accuse me of being a stalking serial killer yet between the two of us only YOU are the only one who has created a blog to constantly write about the other person. Your blog has many entries written about me, PS-149. Who is stalking who????

    As far as what you write about CPH (who IS NOT me), you seriously should not be dishing out all of those harsh lies and misleading information about him unless you are prepared to handle reading the corrections and criticism about your posts by people like me who obviously are much better at researching ACTUAL FACTS than you. I’m so sorry that you can’t handle having someone like me derail your mission to railroad an innocent man to jail for murders that there is no proof that he committed.

    I really feel sorry for you. Maybe someday after you seek medical treatment for your diseased mind you will be prescribed medication that will help you perceive reality more clearly. When that day comes be prepared to discovered that your mind and your opinion was poisoned by the very persuasive lies and strategically stated twisted facts that were told by Flukeyou and his friend who you know as Truthspider. These two individuals lured you in. Your mind was too weak and gullible to differentiate between the true facts and the twisted information they were planning on people like you to accept as being true. You fell for their bait (hook, line and sinker). I feel sorry that you become their pawn.

    No matter what you want to think about me I would still like to help you crawl out of that web of lies and attempt to help you learn about this case all over again to see that all of the so-called evidence that convinced has made you determine 99.99% that CPH is the LISK are all twisted facts and false misleading rumors that were told to you in order to frame CPH for the murders. They simply cannot be proven. Please give me the chance to break this case down very simple for you to see more clearly how your opinion has been manipulated.

  1045. ps149 on March 2nd, 2013 at 11:38 am
  1046. @ Cheryl

    I posted on another site asking about that family who had seen a man dumping what looked like a body in a burlap bag. Do you have that article or ANY info on the kind of Truck he was driving??

  1047. kelly on March 2nd, 2013 at 11:40 am
  1048. Oh and if anyone needs to know the truth about Truthspider (his name IS NOT Brendan Murphy) I can supply a wealth of information that my research has revealed about him and how his recent actions could be used by CPH’s attorney to force a Change of Venue for MG’s lawsuit to move the case out of the Supreme Court in Riverhead.

  1049. ps149 on March 2nd, 2013 at 11:47 am
  1050. @Cheryl, yeah as stupid as that sounds, MM7 has dedicated most of her blog to write about how I am the LISK posting on forums aimed at catching the LISK. Total nonsense. 100% I can guarantee you that I always post from my own ISP account. It would take a detective less than ten minutes to follow my electronic trail to locate my identity and my home address. Whoever is responsible for the murders of the GB4 and the Manorville appears to be an expert at covering his tracks. Would that same killer really be so stupid as to post all over the internet using his own personal account that could be traced to him in a heartbeat? As far as CPH is concerned, does she really think that he would be so stupid as to go online and start posting responses while he has a pending lawsuit against him?

    I don’t know who MM7 is insulted more, CPH, the LISK or me.

    I’ve never hurt a single person in my entire life (not even a fist fight in grade school) but personally I am offended that she thinks I could be so stupid-minded to post on these crime-solving forums if I were CPH or the LISK.

    I guess maybe on her level in her world such stupid actions are more common?

  1051. ps149 on March 2nd, 2013 at 2:50 pm
  1052. It started before the LISK bodies were found… when all that evidence is piled in front of you, and I sit on the witness stand I’ll give you a big, horsey grin. :D

  1053. mysterymom7 on March 2nd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
  1054. Just to be clear, I don’t really give a crap what you or anyone else here thinks about me or what I’m doing. You can “talk” til you’re blue in the face, but I won’t stop getting to the truth. So all your talk about mental illness… it’s not going to work in a court room. You’ll find out all about me from your lawyer when you’re on trial. Bring out anything on me, I guarantee it won’t hurt my credibility. CPH can’t say the same.

  1055. mysterymom7 on March 2nd, 2013 at 4:53 pm
  1056. On WS people with particular – verifiable – expertise that’s used in criminal investigations are encouraged to post their professions; Doctors, social workers, psychiatrists, detectives, nurses, criminologists etc. The list is impressive. So it’s entirely possible for someone to contribute to this forum whose actually an M.D.

  1057. Cheryl#1 on March 2nd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
  1058. ….or attorney, police officer

    In addition,
    I can’t imagine LE has no idea who to watch and it wouldn’t surprise me if there were no DNA matches in their data base. Serial killers are normal in every other way – except for this ONE thing.

  1059. Cheryl#1 on March 2nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
  1060. Cocaine Canning…guilt of covering for the doc. Neighborhood drunk. Likes to party with the young chicks ever since his wife stopped doing blow and blew up like a small farm animal

    The redheaded step child, j canning…saw SG wet footprints in the sand. Candyman jr.

  1061. Flukeyou on March 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 pm
  1062. There is a condition from which people suffer where there is no “off-switch” and certain maturity development ceases at 14.
    They can never change – or go away. It’s an illness.

  1063. Cheryl#1 on March 2nd, 2013 at 7:07 pm
  1064. STRIKE ONE against the administrator of this website for not posting the new email topic I sent in a few days ago.

    STRIKE TWO against the administrator of this website for deleting my last post (that was perfectly innocent and a bit humorous) yet allowing all of those posts by Flukeyou and Mysterymom7 to remain (the posts that wrongfully accuse CPH of MURDER and that name all sorts of neighbors of Flukeyou and allow him to air out all of their personal info).

    ONE MORE STRIKE and I am out of here for good. I’ll take my information and my opinion back to WS and other forums where at least I am appreciated and respected!!!!

  1065. ps149 on March 2nd, 2013 at 8:50 pm
  1066. Please disregard a part of my last comment. I stand Corrected.

    My post wasn’t deleted it just went into a “waiting moderation mode” (I think because it contained some links). I will post a watered-down version.

    So only ONE STRIKE for not creating a new topic yet as I was hoping to see.

  1067. ps149 on March 3rd, 2013 at 6:18 am
  1068. @Cheryl. Yes, very possible that she suffers from that condition.

    I can also state with certainty that Mysterymom7 is displaying clear symptoms of “Grandiose Delusional Disorder” when she shows us how her mind is honestly convinced that John Ray is going to fly her ass up from Orlando to MacArthur airport and pick her up in a limo to chauffeur her to Riverhead where she honestly is convinced he will call her as one of his star witnesses to testify against CPH in the Supreme Court of New York state.


    Wait a second….


    I can’t…

    I really, really can’t stop laughing…

    I know it’s not nice to laugh at someone with a mental illness but when she wrote a few posts back how she will be sitting on the witness stand.



    I can’t…

    I’m losing it…

    But all seriousness, she really did show clear symptoms of “Grandiose Delusional Disorder” because that is not the first time she has insisted that she will be taking the stand to testify against CPH. She did it again a few posts ago when she addresses me as if I am CPH and states;

    “So all your talk about mental illness… it’s not going to work in a court room. You’ll find out all about me from your lawyer when you’re on trial. Bring out anything on me, I guarantee it won’t hurt my credibility.”

    One has to wonder if Mari Gilbert and John Ray are aware that Mysterymom7 is making these bizarre statements on the World Wide Web declaring that she is going to be one of their star witnesses in their case against CPH.

    This is one of those moments where you either have to laugh your ass off or cry because of the disbelief in what you are reading. It’s just as bizarre as when Flukeyou was so inconsiderate and disrespectful towards the family & friends of the GB4 when he described how he knew for years that CPH was hiding decomposing dead bodies in the drainage ditches behind his house. Fluke made those statements several times like it was information that was matter-of-factually known by everyone in the community yet not Flukeyou (who would have immediately CEASED the opportunity to put CPH behind bars) and no other resident of OIBA has ever called the police or told anyone else until this website was created.


  1069. ps149 on March 3rd, 2013 at 6:25 am
  1070. @ psI49

    was referring to Fluke…

    It’s TIRESOME yes. But I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

    Honestly, it’s no wonder some “types” are attracted to this site because they believe it’s full of gullible, impressionable, sheltered, dim witted, submissive and borderline psychotic posters, in other words, the misogynist’s definition of women.
    It must be hard to resist throwing out all kinds of garbage and watch the feeding frenzy.

    Waste of time. Ignore it.

  1071. Cheryl#1 on March 3rd, 2013 at 8:08 am
  1072. @ps149
    As for your new post. I waited a week.

  1073. Cheryl#1 on March 3rd, 2013 at 8:10 am
  1074. @All

    Has anyone ever heard or discussed the rumor that the remains of the rare moon grouper fish was found by some of the remains.

    I also feel a local is involved. fishing is life in these areas. they know the area well. requires patience. fishermen start in early morning..just brainstorming..

  1075. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm
  1076. Just as popular a hobby..landscaping..words like burlap, lime, fertilizer come to mind..ego and competition..

  1077. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
  1078. @ps149, I’m not going to be on the witness stand for the CIVIL trial… the CRIMINAL trial, very possibly.

    @Cheryl, misogynist definition is exactly what ps149 is implying about me… because I am a woman, so anything I say, in his mind, MUST be because I have some mental disorder.

    The same has been stated about SG’s bipolar disorder. It’s the perfect chance for the killer to blame the VICTIM’s reaction (a rightful fear of her LIFE) as one of a mental disorder brought on as some “psychotic episode”.

    It will always be the victim’s own fault in the sick mind of the misogynist killer. It is really baffling that others do not see the crazy ramblings of a few (right now, ps149) that are meant as distraction and the only intention at this point is to accuse me (because I defend myself and state my opinions), who has now fallen victim to this stalking behavior, as nothing more than having a “mental illness”.

    Again, it won’t stop me. The accusations are completely unfounded, but he will still try to push the issue. The fact is, nobody here knows me personally, so I am the only one who can defend myself. If what I say is agreed with by others, it is only because they felt compelled to do so, it’s not by my direction or request.

    Nobody really comments anymore because every time someone says something not agreed on, or against the majority opinion, they are harassed and bullied.

    If you read ps149′s comment… how controlling does he have to be that he would say, “strike one, etc., etc.” because he didn’t get his comment posted immediately and his email didn’t get posted immediately?

    None of the emails are going through immediately. My email I wrote Dec 26 didn’t post until Jan 7. Did I think *I* was more important than anyone else that MY email should post faster than someone else’s post? Nope. Apparently that’s ps149′s opinion, though. He’s far superior than the rest of us and so controlling that he thinks saying “strike one… third strike and I’m gone,” is going to change the outcome.

  1079. mysterymom7 on March 3rd, 2013 at 12:58 pm
  1080. @MM7

    look, you must understand, too have been guilty in the past of accusing anyone who disagrees w u is somehow LISK or covering?? it does sound wacky at times?/

    Other times you will write to anyone that disagrees, “anyone that defends CPH, must be because they are CPH”..yet you wonder why people are nervous to print their opinions??? don’t you see your posts would intimidate people to give an alternate opinion?? no one wants to be accused of being a killer??

  1081. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:13 pm
  1082. it INHIBITS free speech and discussion!!

  1083. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm
  1084. MM7

    after all, this is a site involving serial killings. lets say that some REAL wacko, believes you. they might track us down, show up at our house mabye worse…please think about that. lets say that there really is only a 1% chance you are wrong..what if some actually hurts PS149 or his loved ones, and your proven wrong..?? you would hate yourself..MHO

  1085. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:25 pm
  1086. @MM7

    and as you know, i would feel the same way if was happening to you…

  1087. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:29 pm
  1088. @linda, I’ve never said anyone who has another opinion other than CPH being LISK *IS* LISK or covering for him. What I’ve stated is that I question the motives of people defending him here and stating the “facts” about CPH, yet claims not to know him or anyone associated with him.

    I welcome different opinions, but not attacks. I know how to debate and enjoy a good debate, but I’m not stupid enough to believe everything I read as “facts” because some alias states it as so (this includes truthspider and flukeyou). I just don’t take lightly someone stating an evidenced FACT by MULTIPLE SOURCES as a “lie”. I’ve seen that over and over with ps149.

    You or anyone else can be duped into believing his crap, but I won’t. It doesn’t matter how many times he states something as “fact”, I will only believe what I can prove/disprove from MULTIPLE SOURCES. I take everything here with a grain of salt.

    Fact is, he can say 1000 x’s that I have a mental disorder, but it doesn’t make it true. He can say 1000 x’s over that fluke has a “personal vendetta against CPH”, but it doesn’t make it true. He can state 1000 x’s that anyone who believes CPH is a serial killer that they are somehow trying to frame him for murders they committed (he’s tried with ME, too… lmao!), but it doesn’t make it true.

    I think the LISK’s use of “sock puppets” started over 5 years ago, before his dump site was found. So what you see here is a culmination of his PRIOR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. He’s not new when it comes to this. He’s had plenty of practice and learning experience on other forums.

  1089. mysterymom7 on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
  1090. Linda
    Good question. Landscapers use both burlap and lime.
    I found out that lime doesn’t speed up decomposition (contrary to what I’d believed) however, it DOES cover odor .


    I searched but I can’t seem to find that information anymore about that man riding with his family who spotted someone taking a sack shaped like a body out of his truck.
    But I AM happy you remember that too!

  1091. Cheryl#1 on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:39 pm
  1092. @MD

    you are missed

  1093. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:42 pm
  1094. @MM7

    with all do have accused me, and i ALWAYS state opinion..not fact?? just please understand the written word is YOU are stating opinion, as yours is as valid as anyones. however you must respect that there are crazy people that take the laws into their own hands..i believe youre smart enough to get where i’m coming from..its just my two cents, thats it. dont really want to bore others here with any more of this.

  1095. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:46 pm
  1096. @kelly

    the post is on here somewhere..myself and Cheryl both took NOTE. i do not believe he has ever posted again…he did say he reported incident to police..a comfort

  1097. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:48 pm
  1098. The truck on the highway incident leads me, again, to believe he’s not only local but more than likely single.

    Although I don’t like to cross reference, the Green River Killer was married at one point for 13 yrs. and his wife was clueless.
    But the difference is, Ridgeway was just dumping bodies around like garbage while the way the LISK disposes of his victims is much more thoughout.

  1099. Cheryl#1 on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:51 pm
  1100. @linda, my full name, my family’s names, where I live, and my picture (from my mugshot) have all been publicized on this site… dedicated to LISK. How that is possible when I have NEVER given that info to anyone here and my mysterymom7 alias was NEVER attached to my real identity is beyond me. THAT is STALKING.

    What was I saying before that info was revealed? CPH is the LISK. That’s it. So who else BUT CPH would have motive to “out” my real identity? Please, you tell me… Now, if I believed that CPH is the LISK, and he was NOT, why would LISK try to discredit me saying it was CPH? For credit? I suppose, but it doesn’t sound like the most plausible scenario.

  1101. mysterymom7 on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:52 pm
  1102. @MM7

    you MUST understand why ps149 is on the defensive?? you MUST know we ALL feel that??

    I DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR SANITY WOULD EVEN COME UP, but you opened yourself up for it?? it must be expected when you put out EXTrEMLEY inflammatory the end. peace :)

  1103. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 2:57 pm
  1104. @MM7
    for the 1000th dont have to convince me..THAT IS WRONG!! and dangerous, shame on whoever did that!! but you are a strong minded woman who puts out inflammatory opinions…just my feelings..i have told you i worry for you too..

  1105. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm
  1106. @MM7

    it is also as probable, that someone you accused of being LISK is very pissed at you..come on now..i’m trying to be fair

  1107. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 3:01 pm
  1108. i will never be convinced that the actual lisk is risking all to mess with you, especially in the middle of a MAJOR investigation..MHO

  1109. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 3:03 pm
  1110. I will not go in circles anymore..its TOO much

  1111. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 3:04 pm
  1112. @Cheryl

    i too feel the LISK has a lot of free time. however wives of fishermen are very lonely..its a time consuming hobby

  1113. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm
  1114. @MM7

    please remember within days of goin on your site, I RECEIVED a messed up voicemail..

  1115. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 3:17 pm
  1116. @ps149

    I appreciate your input. It’s informed, intelligent, rational and reasonable
    Please don’t go toddling off.

    If it’s stupid – skip it.

  1117. Cheryl#1 on March 3rd, 2013 at 3:36 pm
  1118. @MM7

    The only person famous for using the word FACT is your buddy..oh crap whatever

  1119. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
  1120. @MM7 I am not the one who posted your name, address & personal info on the internet. Rumor has it, though, that it was YOU who posted a copy of one of your FOIL request letters on Facebook and in that letter is all of your personal contact info.

    You do realize that once you upload something like a scanned copy of a letter to the internet, you totally expose yourself to having the entire educated world from China to the Great Lakes being able to view what you uploaded using a few keystrokes. The World Wide Web is not secure.

    As far as attacks and stalking, I went back through all of the posts over on Websleuths on every discussion where you and I both interacted to see what the heck could have triggered you to start having delusions that I am CPH, What I discovered first was you reacting extremely insulted when I predicted that your FOIL request for SG’s 911 tapes and all of the case files pertaining to her death would be denied. I politely explained how I have extensive knowledge in the field of FOIL requests and how the laws work in New York state (particularly regarding FOIL requests for E911 records). You immediately started to flip out calling me all sorts of names, getting yourself put on ‘time-out’ and having the majority of your responses either deleted or severely edited by the mods over there.

    The second time you flipped out was when you received the denial to your FOIL request as I had predicted. Same reactions by you/same reactions by the mods.

    The third time you flipped out and started harassing me and insisting to everyone was when I mentioned to everyone that the author of the Confessions of the Oak Beach Drifter book (“W”) was currently residing in Central Florida. You reacted harshly and accused me of stalking you because you said that YOU are from Central Florida and that the only reason why I stated that “W” was from there was because I am CPH living in Fort Meyers area and mistaking Fort Meyers for Central Florida or intentionally stating that because you are from there. My reaction to that was a very calm attempt to defend myself and explain that 1) I am not CPH, 2) I am not the author of the book and 3) I didn’t make up the Central Florida story. You went off the deep end and would not even read my explanation that I took that Central Florida information right from the xlibris website (the self-publishing company that “W” used to publish his book). Maybe you will be calm enough to Google it yourself and see that on that website in the “about the author” section it has this statement about the author-

    “W is a first time author who was born in the Bronx, NY and then moved to Long Island, NY at the age of 10 where he spent the majority of his life. W currently resides in CENTRAL FLORIDA and plans to venture into the horror genre by writing more books in the not too distant future. Stay tuned.”

    If you had just remained calm and read my source for that info you would have realized that I NEVER was stalking you or anything else. The really funny part is what happened next. Immediately after you started that campaign against me, I started to hear rumors that Fluke started posting “PS149=CPH” posts here on this website and that someone started responding to him and to you here under my name. I never even heard of this website or knew where the heck to find it until last week!! Same with your blog. I still don’t know the exact website. All I know is what people cut and paste and email to me. Thank god I have friends. They were the ones who informed me that you became my stalker and have some sort of huge library on your computer with all sorts of screen shots of everything I have ever written??? So sick that you have done that. they tell me that you were posting some of them on your blog too. That’s when I had to start copyrighting my posts at Websleuths. But that didn’t matter because you went and did something so harsh that you got yourself banned anyone (I had NOTHING to do with that no, despite the LIES that you are saying that I made the mods do it).

    Anyway, I never stalked you, never posted your personal info here, and never posted here until this week. I only searched for your blog once before you and justiceforever took it down.

  1121. ps149 on March 3rd, 2013 at 5:15 pm
  1122. That’s true.
    I read that myself -”about the author” “W”
    He was from the Bronx and yada yada
    Terrible piece of garbage. I read as much as I could stomach on line. It’s definitely public info.

  1123. Cheryl#1 on March 3rd, 2013 at 5:43 pm
  1124. Actually, I NEVER posted ANY personal info on FB as far as the FOIL request info goes. I blacked out that information. The ONLY time I shared that picture WITHOUT the blacked out personal info was accidentally with Susie Tibet Sampierre in a private message on FB.

    It was only AFTER I got the denial letter and posted it on WS that you, ps149, joined. So if you had discussed anything regarding the FOIL request with me prior to posting the denial letter, then it was under a different alias. Again, further proving my point that you’ve been stalking there long before my FOIL.

    I posted the letter with blacked out personal info on Nov. 23, and you joined WS on Nov. 24. Your first comment was an answer to To Kill A Mockingbird (aka Kitty Katy and Hoot Owl), in regard to the listed price of CPH’s house… on the FOIL thread, conveniently. Then, like a bat out of hell, you bashed me for even attempting something that nobody in 2 years had attempted. But that wasn’t what tipped me off that you were CPH, it just raised my suspicion. It was actually your proclamation to CriminalMinds that your “medical expertise” is in other (than psychology) areas.

    So, you were either gathering info FROM Susie or you were gathering info from me yourself giving me the impression you were Susie. Either way, I never gave my information to anyone that I believed would wish me harm.

    @linda, I have a number for Susie. Maybe that’s who called you? It wasn’t me! It’s a 914 number. She only talked to me long enough to get off the phone with me.

  1125. mysterymom7 on March 3rd, 2013 at 6:28 pm
  1126. Oh, and FYI, justice has never written any posts on my blog. She’s commented, but that’s it. Justice didn’t even know I started a blog until I published it. She invited me to help her moderate the other forum, but it didn’t take off like expected.

  1127. mysterymom7 on March 3rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm
  1128. You may be able to play dumb with others who don’t read here regularly, but I do read… a lot… and again, you don’t fool me.

    You’ve also just admitted how you gained access to my personal info, my pictures, my family’s info… so smart, idiot. I’m not some lying blabbermouth like you hoped I’d be. I know exactly who I told what to and when.

    Now I will let everyone else know what you’ve done…

  1129. mysterymom7 on March 3rd, 2013 at 6:36 pm
  1130. @MM7. Yup. That’s it. Your expert researching skills and keen intuition caught me. I’m Suzette Sampierre.

  1131. ps149 on March 3rd, 2013 at 6:48 pm
  1132. And now anyone who posts who has any sort of medical expertise is also CPH?

  1133. ps149 on March 3rd, 2013 at 6:54 pm
  1134. some serial killers just love being in the public and your friends will fall,its just a matter of time.seems a couple of them tried to come see me,but didnt dare raise a hand which was really a smart still here,and sooner or later someone will listen to me when i tell them all of you are involved,your a might be 80yrs old,but your 80 yr. old butt will be behind sure you have slipped and put some hints in your books.
    oh and dont bother asking for ice water in hell,they dont serve it.enjoy the heat.

  1135. wanda on March 3rd, 2013 at 6:57 pm
  1136. i am just wondering if you came out because,some new info has come up and it involves people you care about.give us your “watered down version.” term you used earlier i guess to rub out the victims one more time?by all means tell us something we dont know.

  1137. wanda on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:09 pm
  1138. @ps149/cheryl

    100 percent correct on “w” and drifter…FACT

  1139. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:17 pm
  1140. Kristinsaysso on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:26 pm
  1141. Kristinsaysso on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:26 pm
  1142. Kristinsaysso on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:27 pm
  1143. @ALL

    i tought Cheryl was all messed up…that according to MM7..why..cause Cheryl is ‘stuck up’ like suzie…FACt??? fd up!!

  1144. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:27 pm
  1145. OH wait, MD Rice is involved too!!

  1146. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:28 pm
  1147. Kristinsaysso on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:28 pm
  1148. holy shit..

  1149. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
  1150. Kristinsaysso on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
  1151. Kristinsaysso on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
  1152. Kristinsaysso on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
  1153. how distastful and disgracful

  1154. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:31 pm
  1155. @PS149

    we get never have to defend yourself again..its coo coo.

  1156. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
  1157. Again, who would have motive to post the FB pages of the S family? Not any of the S family. Sooo… smart move there trying to say JS is LISK then posting his FB page. But please, continue your psychopathic ways…

  1158. mysterymom7 on March 3rd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
  1159. lol..

  1160. linda on March 3rd, 2013 at 8:00 pm
  1161. ps149 Stay

    I appreciate the professional expertise you offer. It may prevent (me at least) from pursuing theories based in ignorance as was the case with the scripts.

    If you leave, my fear is we’re back to searching for an erstwhile killer – who kills many people – but is not a serial killer – traversing the continental United States and Canada.

    Your focus is valued here. I’d just request that you refrain further from including names not generally known as connected to this case so that all might participate.

    Please remember to ask yourself, that if you indeed feel you’re arguing with an insane person, but then continue to pursue the argument – whose at fault?

    You have some serious insights IMO into what’s going on over there as well..

    Ignore already! It’s never going away


  1162. Cheryl#1 on March 4th, 2013 at 1:15 am
  1163. @Cheryl

    after trying to research erstwhile killer, i’m still a bit confused as to your post.

    simply put, are you referring to a group? just interested in your point of view..thnks

  1164. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 6:40 am
  1165. @Linda

    I’m really saying that I’m glad the discussion returned to searching locally for the killer – or – killers responsible, as opposed to a transient killer – who kills people – but – who is not a serial killer and is long gone never to be found again. No explanation required.

    Not that we know WHO it is, but at least we can share in an exchange of more plausible ideas and possibilities..

  1166. Cheryl#1 on March 4th, 2013 at 7:58 am
  1167. @Linda

    To me ANYTHING that effectively shuts down open discussions is a deliberate distraction.

  1168. Cheryl#1 on March 4th, 2013 at 8:00 am
  1169. @Linda

    You understand me and I don’t think we need to pursue that.

  1170. Cheryl#1 on March 4th, 2013 at 8:04 am
  1171. @cheryl

    never assume anything with me :) but yes, the lightbulb just went off..respect..LOL

  1172. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 8:18 am
  1173. @cheryl\

    actually i read your post wrong as well, sry bout that..

  1174. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 8:19 am
  1175. For years the OIBA has been inundated with mosquitos until vector control cleaned out the culverts (drainage canals) the fall/winter of 2010-11. The membership made numerous requests to the board in meetings and in writing for more than a decade yet nothing was done until a longtime member took action. After 18 months of letter writing, meeting with town and vector control officials, and onsite inspections the permits were final granted. In the process it was also revealed at no time had the OIBA board ever approached these various agencies to try and get this project started. The member then informed the OIBA president that the restoration project would begin in the end of November. When OIBA board member Peter Hackett heard this information( One of the culverts runs right to the back of Hackett’s property) he called this member numerous times leaving frantic messages demanding to know why this was being done, where and when are they were going to be digging. The reaction was bizarre; no concern for the environment and how that having these culverts clean would elevate the bug problem –he just wanted to know WHERE and WHEN are they digging. A short time after the first group of remains was found on Ocean Parkway December 2010 six and a half months after SG vanished. About the same time the OIBA sheds were emptied of burlap, shovels and other gardening tools and doused with gas. Peter Hackett has not lived in Oak Beach since…………..The women on Ocean Parkway were found by luck, had the spring come around they would have never been located. The remains left on OP had no smell and it was not CPH’s intent that they be discovered, he panicked knowing that Vector control would soon be digging in his backyard.

  1176. Flukeyou on March 4th, 2013 at 8:30 am
  1177. @Linda
    What don’t you understand? I can clear it up.

  1178. Cheryl#1 on March 4th, 2013 at 8:35 am
  1179. @All

    Still not one single word about Lattingtown victim..frustrating..

  1180. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 8:43 am
  1181. @Cheryl

    I simply missed the words ‘as opposed to’ in your post, my bad..i get it..really my bad

  1182. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am
  1183. @Cheryl

    just a bit foggy this morn..we are on the same page

  1184. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 8:45 am
  1185. @Fluke

    this of course your take on events, since we will never be able to verify..

  1186. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 8:48 am
  1187. @Fluke



    This is NOT your personal sounding board against – everyone…



    This site is about the LISK.
    It is NOT about the endless personal problems, conflicts and complaints you have with your community board and their fiscal decisions.

    GO AWAY!

  1188. Cheryl#1 on March 4th, 2013 at 8:49 am
  1189. @Fluke

    Mabye he didn’t want his backyard destroyed, just as freakin plausable, if what you say is even true..NO FACTS…FACT!

  1190. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 8:49 am
  1191. @Cheryl

    ignore me this morn..i promise im all straight need to clear anything bad!!!

  1192. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 9:04 am
  1193. @Fluke

    i think YOU are trying to PROTECT AND bout that??

  1194. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 9:06 am
  1195. Nice criminal backround…an INNOCENT man indeed..PUHLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

  1196. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 9:09 am
  1197. looks like anger management didn’t work

  1198. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 9:13 am
  1199. @linda and cheryl….those are actually all verifiable facts. the dates the permits were issued by the DEC, the phone records between cph and the oiba member, and the day the remains were discovered. it gives investagators a timeline as well as a look into cph’s behavior.

  1200. Flukeyou on March 4th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
  1201. An innocent man has nothing to fear..who am i protecting and what am I deflecting??????? Karma really is a bitch, CPH and his family is just starting to get what they deserve.


    BH,LN,TC,JC,BB,AA,AL,KG and more= not so innocent bystanders

  1202. Flukeyou on March 4th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
  1203. @FLuke

    because of the pain they caused you and your family..your vendetta may cause unbelievable pain and suffering..sry fluke..youre done here

  1204. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
  1205. what are investigators waiting for?? you much convince them..not appear angry and vengeful with a definite verifiable axe to grind.clouds everything you will EVER try here..good luck

  1206. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
  1207. and you are NO saint..please move on

  1208. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
  1209. @Fluke

    If YOU suspected this for years why now?? innocent man..why now..its over

  1210. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 5:23 pm


  1212. kelly on March 4th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
  1213. @Kelly

    we BOTH answered you?? the guy posted once here..never again??

  1214. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
  1215. @Kelly

    no further info

  1216. linda on March 4th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
  1217. Here’s some facts that I think you will find rather interesting. Everything can be verified on free websites using simple Google searches.

    FACT: In April 2007, the severed head of Lorraine Hatzakorziana, a woman from Mastic Long Island was found in Florida floating in a plastic bag from a New York Walbaums store in the Everglades near Alligator alley.

    FACT: The two men accused of her murder were railroaded to jail despite how much they insisted they were innocent. In January 2012 Paul Trucchio had to plead ‘no contest’ to prevent his case from going to trial and just over a month ago a jury was unable to come to a unanimous decision to convict Robert Mackey of murder so they had to settle on ‘conspiracy to cover up’.

    I have a theory that points towards a killing spree that spans from Oak Beach to Florida and back up to Oak Beach. The journey starts in November 2006 with the four Atlantic City prostitutes. There was a 33 year old prostitute named Pamela Covelli who was good friends with three of those girls and had to go in to police custody to protect herself because she claimed she was partying with the girls with the killer but left because she felt something was wrong. She describes him as “a man she claims had a lot of money, a lot of drugs and a BAD ATTITUDE (sound like someone we know???”.

    Between November 2006 in Atlantic City and April 2007 in Southern Florida, you can Google and find a few cases of missing women as well as unidentified murder victims along the Interstate 95 corridor.

    FACT: Intelius website is confirming that Fluke and/or his dad (who has the same name) maintained address in both Key Largo and Tavernier in the Florida Keys.

    FACT: I can prove that Fluke was in Islamorada Florida fishing on Thursday January 18th, 2007 with Capt. Bruce Anderson of Captain Easy Charters.

    I think the killing spree left Florida in time to return July 9, 2007 for the abduction of Maureen Brainard-Barnes,

    If you search you can find more missing person cases and unidentified murders on the road from Florida back to New York from April to July 2007.

    interesting right?

  1218. ps149 on March 4th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
  1219. Also interesting that CPH has done that same travel with his old buddy Michael Newman… Found dead by CPH in 2008 with a heroin needle in his arm. Even more interesting, Michael Newman from Long Island has been playing poker in Atlantic City… AFTER his death.

    Michael Newman’s truck is now being driven by CPH… Down the 95 corridor to the West Coast of Florida, closer to “Alligator Alley” than the Keys, to Ft. Myers.

  1220. mysterymom7 on March 4th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
  1221. Except that when it comes to Michael Newman you either are a lousy investigator or are a mindless pawn in Fluke’s corner who will believe anything he tells you.

    The Michael Newman playing poker in Atlantic City is a professional poker player who has residences in both Perth Australia and Nanuet, NY (a town on the other side of the Hudson river upstate near the foot of the Catskill Mountains)!!!! He’s cashed in seven times in Atlantic City poker tournaments for a total winnings of $29,437.

    If you actually knew anything about casino poker tournaments you’d know that unlike white trash poker nights that are played by a bunch of bums and whores that a drunk husband drags home to play sitting around a dining room table while his kids try to sleep in the other room or the ones he plays in the back of raunchy strip clubs while his wife is home alone crying herself to sleep because she is so lonely, the tournaments held at Atlantic City casinos (like the Borgata where Michael Newman plays) require photo id to enter and both a social security card and government issued ID to complete the IRS 1099 form when it’s time to cash-out the winnings.

    So once again Fluke sent you, his mindless pawn, on a wild-goose chase and you bought his sack of lies and took ownership and credit for information that you thought was hard evidence when it is really all useless meaningless data that has nothing at all to do with CPH or this case.

  1222. ps149 on March 4th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
  1223. Oh just forgot-

    You can read about Michael Newman, the POKER PLAYER and see his picture here- “under Aussie Millions Diary – Entry 2″.

    You really are a mindless pawn in Fluke’s game of lies helping him run his vendetta.

  1224. ps149 on March 4th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
  1225. And here is his Twitter account

    In case you want to tweet him and accuse him of using a dead man’s identity.

  1226. ps149 on March 4th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
  1227. I have to give Fluke credit. He throws all this fake info out there because he knows that damaged goods with weak minds like Mysterymom7 are easily brainwashed.

  1228. ps149 on March 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
  1229. And can you be any more disrespectful towards the widow and the children of the Michael Newman who died who lived in Oak Beach???

    Other than being a mindless pawn for Fluke, did you ever bother to research Newman’s death yourself instead of taking Fluke’s word for it?

    Only the Newman’s know Michael’s cause of death.

    The Newmans HATE Fluke and his entire Scalise family.

    Why would the Newman family tell the Scalise family anything as personal as the cause of death of Michael when they don’t ever speak with them and hate them so much???

    Did you ever once stop to consider the possibility that Fluke is using you as his personal TOOL to help with his vendetta against CPH and the rest of the Oak Beach community that all wanted him and his family exiled out of the community?

    The fact that you are helping him spread all of his LIES indicates to me that you have not put much thought into what you are typing before you hit that ‘Submit Comment’ button below.

    Keep bringing on the LIES and I’ll keep making you look like a FOOL every single time you post false and misleading information.

    You do realize how stupid it makes you look when you repeat stuff like Fluke’s fairytale that the world-famous Michael Newman playing poker in the Texas Holdem’ circuit is CPH using the deceased Michael Newman’s identity???


    So pathetic.

  1230. ps149 on March 4th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
  1231. i am so glad that ps149 is here. i had almost given up.

    and i agree with you 100%. and the truth is that where sg was last seen is almost directly in front of the s families little complex – a dead end.

    i can’t believe he is back to the “bodies in the ditches” theory. geesh.

  1232. too close too home on March 5th, 2013 at 7:09 am
  1233. @ps149

    Thank you. I follow you completely. I had that exact suspicion ( and investigated it as much as I could) well over a year ago now.

    I’m so glad you’re here!

  1234. Cheryl#1 on March 5th, 2013 at 7:38 am
  1235. No matter who it is, I’ve always felt that certain people were here – constantly – in order to cover for the person or people involved.

    Insisting upon far flung explanations that point to anywhere PROVIDED THEY ARE NOT local is red flag.

    Blaming everyone and his grandmother – except Brewer -( til it became impossible ) – is another.

  1236. Cheryl#1 on March 5th, 2013 at 7:57 am
  1237. All

    had the same feeling myself, without the extensive research..respect…DEFEND AND DEFLECT

  1238. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 8:23 am
  1239. @PS149

    thanks for all this, it clears so much up..YOU’RE GOOD:)

  1240. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 8:44 am
  1241. @PS149

    I read this blog for a long time before i ever posted. It was flukes comments that prompted me to post for the first time in my life. They always left me with a sinister feeling..just THANKS

  1242. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 9:04 am
  1243. @Cheryl

    Fishermen, BIG MONEY, drugs…can’t shake it

  1244. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 9:32 am
  1245. Burlap, lime..and most sickening (vry sorry, it’s a feeling) FERTILIZER..ultimate in control

  1246. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 9:36 am
  1247. landscaping, nurseries, trophies..

  1248. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 9:54 am
  1249. @Cheryl

    lattingtown, oyster bay, bayville, millneck..very similar to gilgo community..just feelings friend

  1250. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 10:00 am
  1251. Fish remains are EXCELLENT fertilizer..its WELL KNOWN..idk..brainstorming

  1252. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 10:09 am
  1253. @pS149/TooClose

    Is it your feeling that OUR BUDDY was at JBs party??

  1254. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 10:27 am
  1255. If not, how does he claim to have definite info on “guest list”?? curious..

  1256. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 10:35 am
  1257. Who is Director of Life Guards for NY state Parks?

  1258. Cheryl#1 on March 5th, 2013 at 11:26 am
  1259. Who was Director of Life Guards for NY state Parks in 2006.Who is it now?

  1260. Cheryl#1 on March 5th, 2013 at 11:27 am
  1261. her is part of a post from ‘reallypak?’ on the thread i posted above (tom)

    2C2H…. You don’t have to tell me, I already know. And unlike you, Fluke is unaware of who I ACTUALLY AM TO HIM, JS JR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can tell you that you say 69, well I vote as well to him being a lunatic and so that number is now 70… do you catch what I’m telling you now????? There is no need to validate yourself to me 2c2h…. I am all too well aware and this guy is a sick twisted individual

    well, if there are 72 houses and the s family lives in 3 of them…you do the math. even his family knows.

    director of lifeguards…flukeyou SENIOR.

  1262. too close too home on March 5th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
  1263. Flukeyou on March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
  1264. @ kelly….it was a white truck driven by a man with one leg

  1265. Flukeyou on March 5th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
  1266. @Fluke- Maybe Justin saw her acting like this-

  1267. ps149 on March 5th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
  1268. Or maybe she was acting like this-

  1269. ps149 on March 5th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
  1270. Then again, there is no proof that she was on drugs that evening but there is a ton of evidence that SG suffered from Bi-Polar disorder and she refused to take her meds.

    Here is a shocking video of a woman with the same condition describing the paranoia episodes that are fairly common with Bi-Polar disorder-

    Detective Vincent Stephan of West Sayville was an investigator on this case and as part of his investigation he met SG’s driver from many years ago (before MP or AD). This is what Detective Stephan had to say about that investigation-

    ” I interviewed an individual who drove Gilbert to her “dates” in the past. He said she would leave houses and apartments in the same fashion as she did in Oak Beach. He described her as being a paranoid person and at times acting irrationally.”

  1271. ps149 on March 5th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
  1272. @ps149

    what is you’re take on the night SG went missing?

  1273. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
  1274. Driver from “MANY years ago”? How long was she an escort? Are you suggesting that she was NOT being chased?

  1275. Cheryl#1 on March 5th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
  1276. @Cheryl

    im a bit lost..can you help me understand the exchange since you asked about Director of tryin.. the significance if you will?..most apprecaited

  1277. linda on March 5th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
  1278. @ Cheryl, perhaps I should have said more like a few years before she went missing.

    That driver they tracked down is from when she was part of a very large, evil organized crime group headed by Joseph Ruis. Most people don’t know this, but Shannan was due to testify in court in New Jersey. She was under indictment!!

    Read this-

    “Gilbert has a standing indictment in Hudson County as a co-defendant in a case concerning First Professional Referral Services, the escort service where she was allegedly employed, on charges of conspiracy and promoting prostitution, DeFazio said.

    The main defendant, Joseph Ruis, was convicted of money laundering and sent to state prison on a five-year sentence, DeFazio said. Ruis has since been paroled.

    DeFazio said if the remains are identified as hers the case will be dismissed against Gilbert, who was out on her own custody at the time she disappeared. DeFazio said that despite the indictment Gilbert was considered missing rather than a fugitive.”


    The driver they tracked down was from when she worked for one of Joseph Ruiz’s agencies.

  1279. ps149 on March 5th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
  1280. Oh forgot to add that her arrest was back in July 2007.

    So I guess 6 years ago could be defined as “many”,

    Nevertheless, by the time she went missing in May of 2010, she had already been a prostitute for three years.

    “How Gilbert turned to prostitution is unclear. But by July 2007, she was arrested on a prostitution charge at a northern New Jersey hotel, police say. Sometime later that year, she moved to Jersey City ”


  1281. ps149 on March 5th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
  1282. I don’t doubt that Shannan had bi polar episodes but be that as it may, she was being chased. No matter what set her off.
    She did not go running through the reeds bare foot – and the shrubs did not tear off her pants. My take is she was chased, caught where her clothes were found, taken off that property and later dumped a few feet off the highway in the same area.

  1283. Cheryl#1 on March 5th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
  1284. @149
    I thought she’d worked for an agency. I guess it’s lucky for Ruis that Shannan disappeared that night.
    But when you involve yourself with people in that life, its not surprising to get caught up in their messes and I doubt it connects to Oak Beach that night.
    People involved in that life lie. If her old driver worked for Ruis, then, with this trial in the works, it’d be in his best interest to make Shannan sound as nutty and non credible as possible. Sounds to me like embellishment.
    These people are about M_O_N_E_Y.
    Bottom Line:The escort agency would have dropped Shannan a LONG time ago if she kept running out of clients houses without getting paid.

  1285. Cheryl#1 on March 5th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
  1286. Sometimes its best to rethink things from the beginning. We get bogged down in this and that and overlook the very basic of facts. JB called for SG, HE asked her to come out to HIS HOUSE for a good time or whatever. While she was there, something happened that freaked her out so much that she called 911 and told them that THEY were going to kill her. Now, I am inclined to think that SG was not really in her right mind. If that had been me, I would have run to the car I came in and ordered MP to get the hell outta dodge. The fact that she took off on foot and did not run to the car makes me question what she was thinking. Perhaps she was just trying to make a scene….I dont know, I was not there. If someone really was trying to kill her then they would have had MP as a witness….dont think SK would like to have a witness. But SG didnt end up with the rest so I guess if the SK was at that house that night and had in fact killed SG they wouId have had to deal with MP too. Maybe SK was at the house, and they didnt count on her bringing a driver? Change of plans then right? Maybe just scare her and send her on her way without payment? Just a thought. I do however think that LE could have done a WAAAAY better job of looking for her. The discovery of the other bodies distracted them from the task at hand, I believe that if they had looked they could have found her while she was still alive….sad. Hypothermia is very real, and if she got stuck somewhere was cold and wet then it is quite possible. 90-95 F is mild, less than 90F and shivering stops….by 85F lethargy sets in and its hard to keep going. If LE had put a little more effort in I believe this girl could have been saved. But once the other bodies were found I feel like things resources were redirected….very sad. Now, to these other bodies….we know that SK began quite a while ago….1996 is the earliest I can find. JT was murdered, her remains as well as others who are yet to be identified found scattered and intermingled with those of the most recent Gilgo remains. This at least gives some sort of timeline and an indicator of age of our SK. Prostitutes, hookers, escorts….easy targets for SK, judging by phonecalls the SK has made in the past he has some sick sexual whatever going on….I dont even know. I am curious about the body in Lattingtown, a rough estimate of when this individual was killed would be nice….but we are not privy to that info. So, what else do we know….he has been very quiet. Could the SK be taking a break? Dead? Locked up on an unrelated charge? There is something to the silence. He was very vocal….even going to far as to drunk dial his victims families and harass them. (I dont know if he really was drunk dialing….but that is the impression I have gotten). Then poof…..nothing. I do believe AC is connected…common for someone with one addiction to have many other addictions as well. Anyways….that is my rant. All my own thoughts…been following the case for a while really hoping for a break and justice for these young ladies.

  1287. SunShower on March 6th, 2013 at 7:12 am
  1288. I would also like to know who else was in JB’s house….I cannot get any info on who was staying with him….except that the persons mother said he was in Georgia or something??? and no….i am not referring to MP.

  1289. SunShower on March 6th, 2013 at 7:19 am
  1290. @Cheryl

    you know we have very similar feelings about what happened to SG.

    What is you take on why her clothing ect, were left behind. not that we haven’t observed this behavior before. However this time it was incredibly risky..??

  1291. linda on March 6th, 2013 at 7:21 am
  1292. @ Sunshine

    We don’t know that the killer who began in 1996 is the same one(s) who killed the Gilgo women. And even if Shannan had an episode I am not buying Dormers explanation. Be aware he never said she stopped and TOOK OFF her pants, he said while she was running the brush TORE them off. That’s a tough one to swallow.
    If’s she’s running hysterically, she’s not stopping. And the brush isn’t tearing her jeans off from the WAIST.
    I think, in this particular case, this woman’s condition is being used against her. If she flipped out (as she well might have) there was a trigger.. She also may have stopped trusting Pak at that moment.
    I will say it AGAIN.
    IF she’s this much of a complete nut job, she’s NOT making money at this for YEARS. No one is putting up with it. It’s like saying she’s a drug addict and you know how they are. Yes, I know how they are, and if they’re THAT bad, they don’t have drivers, support boyfriends, pay rent, and so forth.
    They’re on a street corner – maybe.

  1293. Cheryl#1 on March 6th, 2013 at 7:54 am
  1294. definately NOT hypothermia

    it was nearly 60 F when she disappeared, temps reached 81, and was not colder than 52 at any time that day. where she was found was as dry. DRY! very very dry. we did not have more than one inch of rain the entire month of april. a person cannot drown on a bone dry surface
    nope, not hypothermia, not drowning. overdose? it is possible. but whatever she was on, she was already high when she got to coletti’s.
    I believe there was not enough tissue to do a conclusive toxicity analysis. i may be wrong abut that, but not about the weather.

    and fyi…the excavation of the vector control ditches did not begin until march 2011. stop lying fluckyou.

    they had searched the area where she was found and where her clothes were found, a few times and with dogs. funny how flukeyou predicted exactly where they would find her belongings…way way before they got the ‘tip’.

  1295. too close too home on March 6th, 2013 at 8:07 am
  1296. Then – just so happens, not too far down the road, a bunch of women – all similar to Shannan – are lying dead in a cluster.

    And WHAT search?
    People were speculating forever as to whether or not Shannan was alive or dead, just took off, was abducted by traffikers or whatever.

    MEANWHILE, FBI had already given LE Exactly where to look for Shannan and they did absolutely NOTHING! This mind you, even though, they’d already known – from BB – the direction Shannan had taken that night.

    It seems to me they just wanted this all to Go Away.

    If anything is off it’s coming from Pak, Brewer, Ruis’s driver, and Dormer. I especially Love how Dormer gave the cause of death BEFORE the autopsy report.

    It’s all wrong. My take on it anyway.

  1297. Cheryl#1 on March 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am
  1298. Some television program about the LISK investigation follow up was about to air and the day before it did, whadaya know?
    They found her.

  1299. Cheryl#1 on March 6th, 2013 at 8:20 am
  1300. Dormer’s been retired and I can’t imagine why.
    LE isn’t stupid. I think they connected the dots, and circled the wagons.
    They didn’t know about women being killed but they did know about Brewer and everything else.

  1301. Cheryl#1 on March 6th, 2013 at 8:25 am
  1302. TooClose
    Are you saying Flukeyou knew where to look for Shannan Before FBI gave LE the POI.

  1303. Cheryl#1 on March 6th, 2013 at 9:33 am
  1304. @ 2C2H

    Yes. I remember. Her belongings were nowhere near her remains. FBI told SCPD were Shannan’s body would be.

    Shannan’s belongings, their condition and not to mention the timing, of their discovery were another story all together.
    It was fairly obvious, even with restricted public information, that the items were placed after her discovery.

  1305. Cheryl#1 on March 6th, 2013 at 9:49 am
  1306. they had searched that marsh several times with the dogs and with the fireengine booms after the discovery of the gb4. neither shannan nor her belongings were there. fluke started spouting about it waaay b4 she was found. id have to research and don’t have time.

  1307. too close too home on March 6th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
  1308. Hmmm, I dunno I remember thinking it was weird that she did not have her pants on….noone would take their pants off to run into a marsh thicket. I cannot understand why her stuff was found a year later either. BTW….I was not saying SG was nuts….far from it. I think that she was spooked, it was late and she was not rational…not nuts…there is a difference. I would have run straight for the car I came in and told the driver to floor it. GC did not call her to come over and have a good time….neither did CPH. JB and whoever was in his company did…thats the only point I wanted to make. I think that SG could have easily been overlooked once the bodies were found….if resources were redirected.
    I just feel like to look at this thing clearly, one needs to go back to the beginning. Its easy to get lost in all the details…so start from the beginning, with new eyes, new perspective…unbiased.
    I also did not mean that I know that the SK started in ’96….In my opinion, JT was a victim of the same killer….MY opinion. I find it curious that parts of her……ew, that just sounds creepy….were found along with the other suspected victims. Therefore, if it is the same killer….we are not looking at some 20 year old perp. I do not know if there were others before her….there are a few other cases that I think of that may or may not be associated.

  1309. SunShower on March 6th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
  1310. Been a while since I researched the finding of her belongings….I will have to brush up on all that.

  1311. SunShower on March 6th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
  1312. @Cheryl,
    What do you mean they did know about JB and everything else??

  1313. SunShower on March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
  1314. You can get hypothermia in any temperature where your body loses heat to the environment….even in temps as high as 50F. It was 4 or 5ish when she went missing….no sunlight to warm her….if she had been drinking she would be losing body heat even faster. I dont think it can 100% be ruled out, because it is possible.

  1315. SunShower on March 6th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
  1316. I just happen to remember. They drained an area with something and found Shannan. Her belongings however were another story.
    The (almost) certainty that she didn’t take off her pants and shoes – in flight – to run on the shards of reeds and through the brush – lead me to conclude she also didn’t stop a few feet off the highway and drown either. It’s all much too far fetched.
    More likely she was caught, taken and later dumped. Then later her belongings were placed in the general area.


    Fluke just kept incriminating himself. He was/is powerless to stop himself.

    All I meant was that police knew Brewer had parties – and girls. I’m sure they connected those dots immediately after the bodies were found and that’s the reason they revisited him concerning Shannan.

    Joesph Brewer and guests is point #1 – and to hear Fluke tell it, he was there.

  1317. Cheryl#1 on March 6th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
  1318. Thanks sunshower for putting things back in perspective!

    I do disagree with hypothermia and/or drowning. Alcohol may decrease body temp, but running would increase body temp.

    I think she was given a “date rape” drug, which would make sense that no drugs showed up. It would also make her reaction make more sense and if Pak just thought she was acting “irrationally” and he dismissed her, that may be why she didn’t think he was trustworthy.

    She was outside in 50+ degrees from approximately 4:51, until (police claim) 5:32 am when the police arrived.

  1319. mysterymom7 on March 6th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
  1320. @ Cheryl- if Shannan cause of death is not an accident, Joseph Ruis may very well be the most important person of interest.

    At the time of her death, Shannan DID NOT work for any of his agencies. She met Alex Diaz while working for Ruis. Alex was (and might still be) one of the drivers for the escort agencies that Ruis ran. When she worked for Ruis, Shannan wasn’t just an escort. There is more to that story than we are being told. Ruis had dozens of girls working for him as escorts. Yet when the grand jury in New Jersey did their investigations they handed out an indictment to Shannan as a co-defendent of Joseph Ruis.

    Shannan wasn’t charged with committing prostitution. She was charged with promotion of prostitution and conspiracy to commit prostitution. The conspiracy charge is the red flag we should all be paying attention to. The fact that she was under indictment proves that her arrest wasn’t a result of some random hotel raid by the vice squad. Indictments can only be issued by grand juries. Grand juries have the power to subpoena and take sworn testimonies from witnesses. Shannan’s indictment was planned. The district attorney’s office went after her and Joseph Ruis.

    The big question is, what role did Shannan play Joseph Ruis’ organization?

    What knowledge did she possess about his illegal activity?

    Did Alex Diaz pledge allegiance to his boss Joseph Ruis over his so-called girlfriend SG?

    Was there motive to silence Shannan Gilbert before she could give damaging testimony against Joseph Ruis in court?

    Was Michael Pak an employee of Joseph Ruis?

  1321. ps149 on March 6th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

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