The Continuing Ballad of Orly Taitz

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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 at 9:30 am

It’s a day of mixed news for the Pied Piper of the “birther” movement. The bad news: Taitz’s case, Keyes v. Obama, got a hearing in Santa Ana, an event that had been built up on WorldNetDaily and other far-right sites as a possible turning point in the battle against the president. According to liveblogs from the scene, however, Judge David Carter (whom birthers thought to be an ally because he served in the Marine Corps) revealed himself as the latest puppet of the Obama administration.

Taitz said that the judge she saw today in court is not the same man who said he wanted to move this case along and resolve it on the merits. Taitz made no attempt to hide her feelings that “something has happened” between the Sept. 8 hearing and today’s hearing. Taitz gave a powerful and impassioned closing argument that electrified the the gallery who broke into applause and cheers on two occasions. The judge perhaps not wanting to be booed off the bench in his own courtroom opted for the safe approach and said that he would take the matter under submission.

When in doubt, accuse the judge of being pressured by the attorney general.That’s what Taitz is doing in Georgia, too. Read all of the posts there; the birthers seem to be convinced that yelling at the judge is key to getting him on their side.

The good news for Taitz? The Washington Post gave her a lengthy profile in the paper’s Style section, and it’s possibly the least critical thing ever written about this severely disturbed person who’s encouraging the military to rebel against the elected president of the United States.

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Ramu
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Some judge needs to order her into a psychiatric evaluation.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 1:52 pm

Well, no surprise…any judge who disagrees with Queen Orly must be corrupt, in her opinion. Once he comes down with the final ruling for dismissal, it will be funny to see Orly go at it again. Wonder if Judge Carter want to get a piece of Orly action…about $10,000 worth, I'd think.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Oily Taintz is setting herself up to be a martyr. Like all birfoons, she's a disturbed, pathetic, delusional idiot. Maybe she'll court ordered psychiatric treatment one day.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

NO, some judge needs to MAKE Bobama SHOW his REAL birth certificate and PROVE he is not eligible to be President!


darthtater
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

No…the burden of proof is “NEVER” on the defense. EVERY Lawyer worth their salt knows this…someone needs to explain it to the dentist. (I see a whole lot of unnecessary root canals in the future to pay for her own legal troubles!)


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

Poor tracy, doesn't even know what a birth certificate is. Did you happen to go to school in OK tracy?

http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=11141949

75% of OK students can't name the first POTUS. No wonder you're confused.


Anteni
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

Actually, that is correct. When you have a lawyer who act wish discontent toward the judge it doesn't sit well with other judges.

What is really funny is tracyfair wrote “some judge needs to … prove he is not eligible to be president.” No, this is the job of Ms. Orly Taitz or other birther lawyers. This isn't hard to understand. However, when you have people like the birther; who are more intent in distorting the facts than using logic; this happens.

Currently, all Ms. Taittz is doing is embarrassment herself. Her position is to make frivolous claims about anyone that proving her to be wrong.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

The WAPO article is a great example of “faint praie” and backhanded putdowns.

Lisa Mundy does a great job mocking Orly without actually seeming to.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

No, some people need to listen to the judge's decision! You haven't noticed, but a judge has summarily dismissed this case as it “has no substantial likelihood of success on its merits”. That is legalese for 'it was dismissed for being stupid.'
http://washingtonindependent.com/59595/a-bad-da…

I realize facts will roll off your consciousness like water off a duck's back. After all, federal courts have accepted these documents as proof of US citizenship for years.
But please, carry on!
The rest of us will enjoy the show.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

The best part about the WAPO article is that she admits to hiring Lincoln a disbarred layer and convicted felon to be her law clerk.

According to the California Bar:
— —
Prior to or at the time of employing a person the member knows or reasonably should know is a disbarred, suspended, resigned, or involuntarily inactive member, the member shall serve upon the State Bar written notice of the employment, including a full description of such person's current bar status.
— —

Who want's to bet she didn't do that?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Tracy, please tell all of your birfoon friends to come out & play—-they're awfully quiet today, considering what a big day it is for Oily…


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

“When in doubt, accuse the judge of being pressured by the attorney general.”

From the quote, it sounds more like accuse the judge of being “gotten to” by the pod people.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

He has shown his LEGAL birth certificate. And, furthermore, Hawaii verifies Obama was born there. Plus 2 newspaper announcements and a witness that talked to the delivering Doctor on the day of his birth. So, whatja got that says he wasn’t born there…besides your delusions.


Lola_Getz
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Would you let this woman do anything in your mouth? Yikes!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

Ah yes, grade school level insults. The stock in trade of the mentally addled Birther.

P.S. That uppity negro is still your President.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

No, a finding of lack of standing IS a decision on the merits. But of course you won’t listen to anyone with a real degree or who practices law successfully.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Nope.
Especially since she’s been sued for malpractice 8 times.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Oh and I guess “YOU” have a real degree and practice the law sucessfully? Then you should know the difference.

“ON THE MERITS” adj. referring to a judgment, decision or ruling of a court based upon the “facts” presented in evidence and the law applied to that evidence.
Example: An attorney is two days late in filing a set of legal points and authorities in opposition to a motion to dismiss. Rather than dismiss the case based on this technical procedural deficiency, the judge considers the case “on the merits” as if this mistake had not occurred.

“STANDING” The legal right to initiate a lawsuit. To do so, a person must be sufficiently affected by the matter at hand, and there must be a case or controversy that can be resolved by legal action.

You just made yourself look like a complete IDIOT!
I rest my case!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

Thank you for resting your case, Tracy. Motion to dismiss is granted, Obama is still our President. Thanks for playing.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

You ain't SEEN the BIG DAY, yet! Obamacorn's MTD this case was NOT granted. Tell me why he is spending millions to try and dismiss these cases, when all he has to do is SHOW his DAMN birth certificate!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

It's a freaking certificate of live birth, NOT a real birth certificate.Anyone can get one of those, EVEN if they were born out of the country.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Tracy, it is the real birth certificate of Hawaii. And no, if they were born out of the country it would not say Hawaii as place of birth. Getting desperate are we, Tracy?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

That's because they won't give her the chance to PROVE IT! They have been dismissing these cases because of STANDING, not because of the MERITS. Standing means, the courts don't have the jurisdiction, not that the case isn't WORTH trying (because it definitely IS). It has never been thrown out on the merits. So, why is Obamacorn spending millions to have them dismissed? Why doesn't he just SHOW THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

You mean, POOR JIM, doesn't know what a birth certificate is. Have you seen the piece of garbage that he DID use? That is NOT a birth certificate. You people need to wake up!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

BORING…and he hasn't spent millions. In fact, if you read Judge Land's ruling you'll see it didn't cost Obama a thing. Poor Capt Rhodes has to pay her own attorney (and I use that term lightly) Orly, plus pay the costs of the defense. Pretty much is going to lose all of her combat pay. BTW, the MTD will be coming down today or tomorrow, you can read it and weep.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Actually, wrong again Tracy (as usual) Judge Land saw all the evidence that Orly had to produce and called it “frivolous”. Basically nothing there. So, the merits won't work for you either…just like typing in capital letters won't work.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:05 am

LOLOL, uh huh…anyone can read through this thread and see who WON. You have all lies and just calling names. I have facts. They will see for themselves.
HEAD IN SAND


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

LOLOL, shows how much YOU know. It is NOT the real BC of Hawaii IDIOT. It is a certificate of live birth, do a little research and come back when you are more informed!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

Since it is Hawaii that decides what is or is not a birth certificate, you have no say in it. We're awake and see how delusional people like you are Tracy…it would be much nicer if you could articulate much better why you hate Obama so much and not hide behind a non-issue that you can never overcome.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

LOL, Hawaii says it is. They trump an anonymous message poster any day of the week. But, keep typing, we want to see how really dumb you folks are before you get shot down…again.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Obamacorn could stop all this, JUST by showing the long form birth certificate, why won't he? You have no answer for that, why not? So you are saying that all his lawyers for loads of cases are FREE, lolol, what a joke! WAKE UP!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

lol, Hawaii says it is. Show me!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Nope, he couldn't. Some blower idiot like you would just claim it's a forgery and start begging for more. Better to let you twist and turn and scream into the blogsphere, it is so much more entertaining.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

“I … have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,” she said in a brief statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Oops, forgot link for Tracy, else I'm lying.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32180625/


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

THIS is a long form Hawaiian birth certificate:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/real%20hawai…

THIS is the garbage he has given us:
http://simmerdown3.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/…

BIG DIFFERENCE, wouldn't you say?

FAIL


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

hahahaha

You sent something from MSNBC, what a joke!

hahahahaha they are left wing idiots!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Not at all, if the first person lost their BC and requested a new one from the state of Hawaii, they'd get exactly (except for the details) the same as the second one. Are you saying that if Edith Costs lost her BC she would cease being a citizen?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Even his paternal grandmother in Kenya, says she was there when he was born and it is on TAPE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGWcD5OHm08


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

OK, you've shown even less. That makes you a blower joke. And, insults from a blower are like complements from the majority..so thanks for the complement and continually proving me correct.


Bob
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Here's the original:

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Yeah, since Eric Holder was spotted in the coffee shop across the street from the courthouse, the day of the trial. Hmmmmm


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

And, like all blowers, you fail to listen to the whole interview. Especially where she corrects the interviewer and tells him Obama was born in Hawaii. Why do you have to lie to make your point? Is it because you know you have nothing except wild theories and forged documents?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

lolol, you look right at the facts in front of your face and say I have no say in it. LOOK and you will see. You people disregard FACTS, just for the hell of it!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

You are the ONLY one LOOKING dumb. The facts are there, LOOK at them. LOLOL


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

Yeah, except Holder was in California for three days of conferences, speeches, and handshaking. Complete with pictures and a complete itinerary that shows he was nowhere near Georgia at that time. Keep grasping Tracy, maybe you'll find a straw that won't poke you in the eye.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Yep, and those who ignore facts we call blowers. The only ones disregarding the facts are you, Tracy…and you prove it every time you post. So, keep up the good work!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdlXj-DapSY


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

LOLOL, sure you have. Show me proof!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Avoidance!

He did not LOSE his original, HE SEALED it! WHY? Why won't he show it and stop spending millions to AVOID showing it? You still haven't answered this!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

YOU have not proven a DAMN thing. Except that you ignore FACTS. Wonder why..lolol
IDIOT!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Except, as always, you get confused. Why are every other person's Hawaii BC sealed? Could it be the law in Hawaii? Or does that not feed into your conspiracy theory well enough?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

LOLOL, FAIL!
That is NOT a REAL birth certificate. Keep trying! So funny!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

LOLOL, that's because of all the GOONS in the background. She changed her story after she figured out what she did. WAKE UP!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

And someone saw him in Georgia. Great way to make him LOOK busy by making these meetings and then slipping away for a short time. FAIL


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Oh, sorry, here's a few facts for you. 1) Obama is our legally elected President. 2) You have nothing to get him removed except wild theories and forged documents, which will never get you anyplace. 3) see 1 and repeat.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Ahhh, so you are a BLOWER, you said so yourself!
LOLOL, open mouth insert foot!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

LOL…you really have to reach there, don't you. Do you want pictures and eyewitnesses that show Holder was in California at the exact time he was supposedly in the coffee shop, or would you be kind enough to allow flying time between California and Georgia? Wait, I know how he did it, Captain Kirk beamed him from California to Georgia and back. Now all you have to do is locate the transporter and you've got it. BWAHAHAHAHAHA.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

Not the law, Obama had them sealed, to hide the TRUTH!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

Now you're going to call her poor nephew who was translating for her a goon. Really sad you have to stoop so low.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

he's LEGAL just because YOU say so, NOT! His BC is forged, that's about it!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Regardless, whether he was there or not and I have no proof that he was…He still has NOT shown his REAL birth certificate, WHY? Still haven't answered that one…FAIL!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Actually, he's legal because Hawaii, congress, SCOTUS, the Electoral College, and the american people say he is. Prove his BC is a forgery…don't just say it.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Sorry, just just because you say so, doesn't make it true. You are no one!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Really, show me the order from Obama sealing Hawaii birth records. BTW, I'll show you the law that seals it for ALL Hawaii citizens, so you'll just be wasting your time.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Now run along Jimmy, I hear Mommy calling!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Wasn't the nephew, check for yourself, idiot!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

tracyfair 1 minute ago
Sorry, just just because you say so, doesn't make it true. You are no one!

Sorry, Tracy, we were running off the board. Thought I'd re-start this here if it's OK with you.

Look at your own quote, Tracy. Just because you say Obama's BC is a fake, doesn't make it true…your own words. Now, can you prove that Obama's BC is a fake? Or do you have some special powers that make you better than the rest of the people in the country?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

If he will show the real one, it will prove the one he showed FAKE. Why is he avoiding this, you still haven't answered!


Ellid
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Sorry, but Bo Obama is the President's dog. As such, he does not have a birth certificate. He does, however, have AKC registration papers. Will that shut up you?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Nope, have Obama show his real BC and that will shut me up!


Jim
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Great Tracy! Prove it was forged for me. I’d love to hear something more than theories. Give me your best shot. Give me you best piece of evidence that it’s forged. Make your case.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Except, he doesn't have to show it. And, smartly, he isn't going to bow down blowers who would only call the next one fake too. You still haven't shown how the other one is fake. Remember what you said…”Sorry, just just because you say so, doesn't make it true. You are no one!”


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

How would you know, you didn't even listen to the whole thing!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Except, as you say, “Sorry, just just because you say so, doesn't make it true. You are no one!” You have to prove it isn't a legal Hawaii BC.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:44 am

I’ve already shown you and you refuse to look at the facts. So, stay your ole ignorant self, that’s your choice. You have to live with being the sheep being led by the shepard who is taking you all for a ride!

Wanna look again, here it is…you asked for it, now fucking LOOK:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:46 am

Those are NOT theories, they are hard facts that SHOW, exactly what you are asking for.


Jim
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:47 am

Facts? As far as I know you’re trying to show me home movies of you and your (supposedly) african-american husband. Sorry, I hate home movies. BTW…between us, is it true they prefer their white women fat and ugly? Or is it only your husband?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

No, the BIG DAY is when the mothership arrives and ferries all good Birfers off to the planet Remulax. I can hardly wait!! BTW he hasn't spent a penny on your sorryass life-mission LOL


chrisjay
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

lolol


chrisjay
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

Birfers:
http://www.lickmytaintz.com


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:22 am

I’ve heard that, but no..NOT my husband. I am the blonde in the video at 2.52, if you call that fat, then you have a serious problem. I am 5’4″ and 120, phat maybe, but not fat!

I’m a fire breather, better watch out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xwcb5wG5wg&feature=channel_page


Jim
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:27 am

Ah, living in a dream world are you Tracy? The last time you were 120, Disco was still the big thing. Now there’s like 3 of you? Sitting around stuffing your face and watch Beck, Limbaugh and O’Reilly…sad that you’ve let yourself go so bad.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

He has shown his real BC. Its not his fault you refuse to accept reality.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

Take some time and EDUCATE yourself:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…

And another thing, take a look at my Youtube video and there is NO disputing, that these people are IN Obamacorn's administration. Anyone can look and see for themselves and do the same research that I did.
Defend this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULey3AaEuA8&feat…

You may want to check out some of my other videos, maybe you will learn somthing!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Sorry, Tracy, I stay away from blower sites. They're only filled with wild theories and forged documents…besides, there's been reports that some try to install virsuses. Besides, you don't have any proof that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, so it's useless tho try and pawn off crap as facts.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

I would like to apologize for some of the comments towards you, but you bring it upon yourself. Tracy, dear, I know you really, really, really want this to be an issue. If it were, we could have a conversation. But a federal court dismissed it. I know you want them to hear both sides and render judgement, that would make this important. But the lawyer made a federal case out of this and the federal judge found it…fictional. I am not trying to be mean or insensitive, but your insistence on continuing the argument running counter to the evidence is a demonstration of magical thinking:

Magical Thinking
Definition: irrational belief that one can bring about a circumstance or event by thinking about it or wishing for it; normal in preschool children, it also occurs in schizophrenia and OCD.

Again, I am not trying to be a jerk. Your insistence on holding on to this idea after a federal court summarily dismissed the case makes it difficult to phrase the facts in a courteous manner.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

“Jim (unregistered) wrote, in response to tracyfair:

How would you know, you didn't even listen to the whole thing!”

I've listened to it many times and I've also read the transcript, where the they talk about many men coming up and creating noise and telling the grandmother to change her story.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Then you should all shut up and let the court case (scheduled in January) go on and we will see.

That's all we want. If his long form PROVES he is a “natural born citizen” and not of Kenyan or British decent and NOT a dual citizen, then we will all, let it go. But NOT, until then. We will not stop, it's only going to get worse. SHOW THE DAMN BC!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Oh yes, the transcript created by nobody and now magically appearing on some blower site. I know it well. Doesn't mean anything except you're still delusional, but why stop now?


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

Sorry, the same rights that let you blowers talk crap allows me to talk crap to you. Besides, what do your care, Obama's already admitted he was born with dual citizenship. Why does that bother you?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

Sorry, but that's not his real birth certificate and you KNOW it! Show the long form BC, what are you afraid of Obamacorn? I myself think he may be a dual citizen, which means he is not qualified to be President, either!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

Nicely written, Irish, appreciate the input. I also want to have a conversation. Unfortunately when I present facts, the first thing out of Tracy's typing was an insult. If Tracy want's to have a nice conversation, it can be had and all the name calling can stop.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Actually, it is his real birth certificate and I do know it is his real birth certificate. As for who is afraid, I'm not the one scared of having an uppity negro as President of our United States of America.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

So who is paying his lawyers? The taxpayers? I wouldn't doubt it!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

You still refuse to answer the question..WHY is he hiding it? WHY?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

Defend the video, all his ACORN/SEIU people in the white house…you can't!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULey3AaEuA8&feat…

Thats my YT account, not someone elses and I don't have to put viruses on my channel, WHICH YOU CAN'T, because I have the facts. You are just afraid to look because you will not be able to answer it!

ENJOY the TRUTH!


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

You still keep refusing to answer, what is your true agenda? Since you can't prove he wasn't born in Hawaii.


Jim
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

So what?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

I would like to apologize for my comment to you. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but obviously you don't keep up with the times. Perhaps you should educate yourself a little more, before you try acting like you actually KNOW something.

The case in California, Keyes v. Obaba has NOT been dismissed. Just yesterday, they were in court. Obama filed a motion to dismiss back when the judge ordered expedited discover and it was NOT granted yesterday, as they THOUGHT it would be. The Judge ordered expedited discovery in this case, back in sept, meaning Obama WILL have to produce the long form BC. The judge seemed like he was moving towards MTD, but the people erupted all throughout the courthouse and it was felt Justice Carter was swayed by the outburst to not throw out the MTD but rather reconsider his decision. He will have his decision in the next few days.

Lot you know, eh?

“US Marshalls have established added security due to the high profile nature of the case. All members of the audience are being logged in and recorded per the court.

Turnout for this hearing is less, approximately 100 people are in line for a seat in the courtroom.

The hearing will begin at approximately 8:30. Justice Carter’s court is currently in session on a different case.

Under review today will be two items of critical concern. Defendant Obama’s 9/4/09 Motion to Dismiss is to receive final ruling to either allow or be thrown out. Once the MTD is thrown out, a ruling for full Discovery is anticipated from Justice Carter.

The Federal Marshalls have set up an auxiliary viewing room near the courtroom, live video feed will be shown in that room for any overflow crowd. Our reporter is assured of receiving a seat in the actual courtroom, and given the historical significance of this hearing, chooses to be in the main courtroom, thereby giving him access to off camera events and reactions.

To those who have thanked us for this coverage, you are more than welcome, we are at your service, as fellow free Americans.

8:36 am Pst- The audience has been seated, hopefully the hearing will only be 30 minutes to an hour and we should hear the findings. If the hearing lasts longer, a mid morning recess at the 2 hour mark usually takes place. (10:30 Pst) and that will be an opportunity for Gary to phone in.

10:12 am pst A commenter has asked if the case has been thrown out, I have NOT heard from Gary so the information can not be verified as accurate. Remember Obots like to play on the blogs

10:26 am Pst Not hearing from Gary is a good sign, after approximately 2 hours into the hearing. If as some have speculated the case was thrown out, it would not take 2 hours to rule in favor of Defendant Obama’s motion to dismiss, more like 15 minutes and Gary would have phoned that in long ago. Hang in there people.

10:37 am Pst We should be coming up on a court recess break shortly and will surely hear something. Thanks to all the commenters for searching around the blogosphere for the word. Here you WILL hear the truth, good or bad. But to this Texan, the up coming word must be good. Keep posting your comments

Steve”


tracyfair
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

You've not presented one single fact yet, I have all over! Man you people are delusional, is that your problem?


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:23 am

I am unclear as to your intent in the above post. It doesn't seem to say anything other than there was a motion to dismiss, it may or may not be granted, and it implies that a crowd may have intimidated a judge.

I did not specify the court case to which I was referring. I was referring to an earlier case, Rhodes v Obama, Gates and Col. MacDonald (Fort Benning garrison commander) in the Columbus Division of U.S. District Court.
U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land said:

“(Rhodes) has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as president of the United States,” Land states in his order. “Instead, she uses her complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the president is ‘an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.’”

and

“Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, plaintiff unashamedly alleges that defendant has the burden to prove his ‘natural born’ status,” Land states. “Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our country was founded in order to purportedly ‘protect and preserve’ those very principles.
“Unlike in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ simply saying something is so does not make it so,” Land says.


mantis
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:34 am

He's not. He does seem to be ignoring a bunch of crazy people, which is only reasonable for him to do.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:51 am

Wow, a true idiot. Everyone knows that isn't his REAL BC, even the people FOR him. You have a lot to learn.

And no it's not the NEGRO issue, jackass. My husband is a negro, so I guess it IS the UPPITY, I don't like.

LOLOL. when you have no defense, use the race card, typical.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:53 am

My agenda is to wake you people up and get your heads out of the sand. But you guys are all alike, you see facts and you dismiss them as saying I am racist. FAIL


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:02 am

LOLOL, so what?
Didn't think you'd have a response.

There is even an Acorn member in the house of representatives. Yes, Babette Josephs (D) is a self announced Acorn Member and how quaint that she happens to be Chair of the House State Government Committee. Ironically, the same committee that is holding up the bill introduced in the Pennsylvania legislature to investigate the activities of the controversial Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

Defend that. I suppose you think Acorn did nothing wrong and they are being wrongly accused, YOU WOULD!

Wow, head in sand!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:08 am

My intent WAS..to show that you have no clue what you are talking about.

You said:
“But a federal court dismissed it. I know you want them to hear both sides and render judgement, that would make this important. But the lawyer made a federal case out of this and the federal judge found it…fictional.”

YOU WERE wrong, as I proved in the post above. Can you at least admit now, that you ARE WRONG. No, I'm just a racist…lolol


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:14 am

Perhaps you all should watch the Obama Deception and you will understand more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

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mantis
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:30 am

No thanks. I'm not into snuff films.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:31 am

I'm sorry, I didn't know I was dealing with a schizophrenic lunatic. When you return to the real world where everyone here knows the President is an American citizen, feel free to come again.

And of /course/ your husband is one of them. How, shall we say, internet argumentatively convenient. Where's his birth certificate?


mantis
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:32 am

Everyone knows that isn't his REAL BC

All the voices in your head do not count as “everyone.”


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:32 am

Is this a quadruple feature with Loose Change, JFK, and They Saved Hitler's Brain?


mantis
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:35 am

Yeah, SHOW us HIS birth CERTIFICATE.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:41 am

It seems you believe it is impossible for both of us to be correct. This is a childish and ignores reality.

I said a court dismissed the case before it. This is true. An earlier suit before U.S. District Court was dismissed by Judge Clay Land. I am not wrong, this is a fact.

Your post was for a different suit before a different court. I pointed this out when I specified the differing venue and judge. You are not wrong, this is a fact.

We were talking about different cases, and neither one of us specified which one we were talking about. When I explained this, your response was childish and petulant. You are looking for reasons to feel slighted; plainly worded conversation is twisted into a mockery of logic and reality.

I see no reason to discuss this any further.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Grow up, your BIG words don't male you right, no matter how intelligent you try to SOUND.

You tried to be SMARTASS, with you “i'm really sorry” bla bla bla garbage and all you did was make a full of yourself.

Had you had half the brains and knew what was actually GOING ON, and was FAIR, you would have said BUT, there is another case that is still pending. But you knew nothing of it. LOLOL, WAKE UP!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:08 am

Yeah right, you want to have a conversation. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are racist. YOu are WRONG, so admit it. The proof is in your face, MUCH more proof then that piece of FORGED crap Obama is trying to pass off as a birth certificate.

FAIL


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:10 am

Sorry, your attention deficit disorder keep you from watching it? That's your problem,


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:12 am

You mean you can't handle FACTS. That's all you guys do is say the same things…

It's so funny. I don't like facts, I'd rather make things up as I go along…

LOLOLOLOL
You people are a riot!


mantis
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:16 am

It's so funny. I don't like facts, I'd rather make things up as I go along…

We know, we know.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:17 am

Speaking of facts, we're still waiting on your 'negro husband's birth certificate. You're not lying to us now, are you?


mantis
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:27 am

YES you MUST show US the BIRTH certificate BECAUSE we ARE asking AND everything WE want MUST be GIVEN always BECAUSE. ALSO.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:33 am

My negro hubby ain't running for Pres, now is he?
He is from Jamaica and I have loads of pics and a few videos, from when we go to Jamaica every year and stay in our rastafarian community, DEEP in the jungle. Nuttin but our rasta buddies and black people the entire week, So take your race card and shove it up yur ass!

FAIL

If you need PROOF, here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxtwnS0xEv8&feat…

Oh, but then you will say, “you just grabbed that video from YT, that isn't you.”

SO, I just left you a little comment in the description box to the right, to PROVE it's my channel. JUST THE FACTS LOSERS!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Was quoting you idiot, not my fault you can't FIGURE IT OUT!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:35 am

If someone like the ursurper is in charge, you better believe it!


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Easy enough to rip someone else's video and post it as your own. And I still don't see birth or wedding certificates. Where are they? What are you hiding?


Jim
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Like which facts are you looking for Tracy?

The fact that Holder was in Georgia, when he was in California?

The fact the Obama's grandmother clearly states he was born in Hawaii and now you have to hire thugs?

The fact that you keep claiming the BC is forged with nothing to back it up?

The fact that whenever you are backed into a corner, all you're left with is calling people names?

Which facts that you've been proven wrong on do you wish us to look at?


mantis
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:44 am

Quoting me? Please point out where I posted that before you.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:49 am

lolol walked right into it. Hello, read my post, it says I left you a little message in the description box to prove it is my account. But that's how you people are you don't read the facts, you just skip on by them like they aren't even there. IDIOT!


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:51 am

Congratulations, its your account. How do I know you didn't post all those up to fabricate your online existance? Why all the dancing around one simple act of releasing the birth and wedding certificates? What are you really hiding?


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:52 am

Or is it really your account? Hacking isn't that hard, after all.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:54 am

AND as you can see, that video was NOT just loaded today. I've had it there, since May of 09. I guess then, you are calling me a psychic. You are telling me I knew that I was going to come to this website and was going to need to prove myself, with video from Jamaica.

Wow, facts mean nothing to you losers! Unbelievable!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:55 am

Uh, I hacked it…lolol

Can't take the truth eh?


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:57 am

The truth is you're a lying hacker who doesn't have the birth or wedding certificates. Therefore all your arguments are invalid and you should quit the board.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:57 am

lolol, you would say that. Yeah, I posted them 5 months ago, so I can go out have have proof that I am not racist. SUUUURE!

Dancing around, as I said..we ain't running for the Office of the President, nor did we step into the position illegally.

NUFF SAID. You don't get those facts, then you are an inbecile!


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:59 am

The cases have been in full swing since last year, obviously you must've been planning this for some time. How can I believe anything you say if you're a lying hacker who refuses to produce a birth or wedding certificate?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:04 am

I could care less about Holder, that does nothing for me, unless it is TRUE and I don't run with shit Iike that. The grandmother FIRST clearly states, that he was born in Kenya and she was there AT the birth, did you forget that? LOLOL

Plus you have the Mike in the Morning Show, that called the Kanyan Embassy and was told that Obama's was born there, as well. AND that his birthplace is marked already…lol
http://my.wrif.com/drewmike/index.php?s=kenyan+…


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:06 am

I've sent plenty to show that it is forged, but you refuse the FACTS, that is not my problem. I don't think I have been backed into a corner once here. You are delusional!

You have proved me wrong on nothing, JUST PURE SPIN…Shit, I'd like to see you on O'reilly, no how about my favorite Glenn Beck, he'd tear your ass up!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:12 am

FU idiot. You guys are just upset cause I am making you look like complete idiots!

Face it YOU FAIL!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:14 am

LOLOL, get a life you piece of shit. I ain't running for no damn office, so I ain't showing YOU shit!

Call me a racist all you want, but that doesn't explain all the FACTS I have showed you here, that you have no excuse for, now does it.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:15 am

I don't need my birfoon friends, I'll take ya all on myself. You all suck at trying to state your case. LAMEEEEEEEEEE!


Jim
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:16 am

Yep, recognized the worthless arguments. O'Reilly, Beck, Limbaugh, the three stooges of LCD. And, they have cattle like you following their lies and made up theories. It is all too familiar, you don't have any proof, you yell the loudest and think you've got something. YAWN…let me know when you have something worthwhile…like about 2050.


Jim
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:20 am

Why do we fail, we got you doing exactly what we want you to do. Keep it up, we're laughing our butts off at you.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:26 am

You are laughing because you look like total idiots.

You all bore me. No intelligence, whatsoever here!

Ta ta, you disgusting little rodents!


RedGraham
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Alan Keyes summed it up when he said we must remove the usurper Obama “or the United States will cease to exist.”


mantis
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 4:19 am

Crazy man wholeheartedly agrees with other crazy man. Film at 11.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 11:47 am

BITE ME!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 11:54 am

Yeah and if you check out the current bills in Congress, you will see that they are TRYING to take those rights away. If Obama has his way, WE won’t be ABLE to be here, debating like this. That is what you all want.

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009, is on it’s way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBzASrDhocc&feature=channel_page


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

Uh huh, Disco was big around the early 70′s, when I was about 8. I still wear jeans I have from high school, so fuck off. If you only knew, loser.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:06 pm

I thought you didn’t go to blower sites. Hahaha LIAR!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:08 pm

Hello, you got a response to that?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:11 pm

I don’t get it????


Jim
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

I don’t, I just let others show how delusional they are. No need to look at BS theories and forged documents. Besides, I have the ace card, Obama’s our President and will be until at least 2012.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Oh heck no. In fact I wouldn’t let her do ANYTHING near me! I wonder how many false root canals she does in order to get her legal bills paid?


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 11:35 am

Yo Mantis,
What's your excuse for Alan Keyes' issue with Obamacorn?
I suppose he's a RACIST, lololol.
Can't use that card, this time!…hmmmm, are you LOST, head spinning, have no answer? Didn't think so!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 11:37 am

No, it's not. It's all about Obama's lies, WITH PROOF! But then you don't like the truth.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 11:44 am

YUUUUP! Same with Judge Carter in CA. There is a transcript from the sept case where he has a whole different tune, then from the Oct 5 case. Obama is probably threatening them.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 11:46 am

We will pay Orly's fee's. Her donations are HUGE. They can try to stall this case and dismiss it as much as they want, but we will NOT stop. DEAL WITH IT!


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:36 pm

Alan Keyes is a religious, carpetbagging nut who is still mad at Obama for beating him in the 2004 senate race.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

One of my best friends gave birth to both of her kids when she lived in Hawaii & she said their Certificates of Live Birth look just like the one for the President.

Get over it & get a life…


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

Paranoia is a mental disease.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:41 pm

Alan Keyes has a right to fight this. Now that Obama has been found to be deeply connected with Acorn/SEIU, who is being investigated for voter fraud on over 14 states. It's all starting to make sense NOW, as to how he got elected. FRAUD, plain and simple!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 12:41 pm

hahaha

Animated world leaders

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX5VE5SOALs&feat…


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

Yaaawn

got anything new?


LADYNRED70461
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

SEEMS TO ME THE WRITER IS DRINKING THE KOOL AID TOO!


LADYNRED70461
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

FU Majority Will
You people have screwed this country up to the point of no return. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THIS THIEF OUT OF OFFICE BEFORE 2012, and before the completion of his civilian army. You really believe he's going to give you a hand out don't you? just wait until you don't get your “earned income credit' because you didn't buy health insurance and it is taken out of your tax return.
Then the joke is on YOU! LOL LOL


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

TOO MUCH KOOL-AID MAKES ME PEE


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

You are wearing red today, huh Orly?


MarieDevine
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

Alan Keyes has great standing in this fight as do any candidate for president. If Barack Obama was ineligible, that would have changed the election focus.

A reasonable person could expect that Barack Obama would get rid of this nuisance, Orly Taitz, by showing the records that most people must show to get a job or a driver's license: his full birth certificate and school records to prove his application is true.
.
The president is his most dangerous witness against himself. He is obviously hiding something and if that something is in his birth certificate and school records, it would be basically who he is and of what nation he belongs.

There is so much evidence against Barack Obama that Orly Taitz would do well to concentrate on the minimum by focusing on his birth and citizenship. That could include his sss registration which appears to be created illegally because he did not need to register for selective service in 1980 because he was an Indonesian citizen on a student visa to America. It could also include the grant he applied for and took that was available only to foreign students. Then people would not become overwhelmed with all the accusations and evidences of other possible allegiances.


MarieDevine
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Charges and evidences, court style, are available at http://www.divine-way.com/forgery_evidences_sss…

All citizens need to encourage Barack Obama to end this controversy; and get this behind him.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

Why?

you birthers are much too entertaining.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

“Alan Keyes has great standing in this fight as do any candidate for president. If Barack Obama was ineligible, that would have changed the election focus.”

LOL yeah, right. He wasn''t even on all the state ballots.

Give me a break.

If it wasn't Obama, then it would have been Hillary.

either way, no one would have voted for Keyes.


LADYNRED70461
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Perhaps that is a good way to spend your time while you wait for your check.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

“he did not need to register for selective service in 1980 because he was an Indonesian citizen on a student visa to America.”

You are delusional.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

At least I'm employed


LADYNRED70461
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

Wow! And I guess the O man gets credit for that? Wise Up.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Orly is happy to hear it.
BTW I have incontroverible, unimpeachable evidence that Obama is a Kenyan!
Please send $250 money order or cash
or click on http://www.lickmytaintz.com to use your credit card, and I will send you the SMOKING GUN as well as an autographed photo of Orly. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! ——-act now —-limited offer—


Anonymous
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Hey, spacey, I’ve done you one better: I’ve been to HipHopRepublicans.org to learn all about this rare and self-loathing phenomenon. I haven’t laughed so hard in ages! Now back to your husband’s documentation: What are you hiding?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Fuck you waitin for, dipshit!

Perhaps you’ll get some interest in the July court date transcript, since all you see are the leftwing crack sites. Get the REAL truth from the REAL transcript. I like this judge, he wants the case on IT’S MERITS!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20757906/Keyes-Transcript-07-13-09


Anonymous
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

wow, you sure are thin-skinned. But I know what you mean. When I first went to the site I thought it had to be a joke, right? But it’s REAL ! That’s when I REALLY laughed. It’s tailor-made for you Birfer clowns! Keep up the freakshow, spacey! I love free entertainment!!


Name
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Let's settle this then.

If Obama is hiding something, if he isn't releasing a document that anyone can get, why hasn't Orly submitted a 1961 long-form birth certificate recently acquired from someone else born in Hawaii?

If this is about protecting the Constitution, can someone show me where a person is guilty until they prove themselves innocent? I would expect that kind of legal system in Iran where they are doing mass trials without due process for election protesters who were arrested, but the American system of jurisprudence puts the burden on the accuser, not the accused.


AXJ
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

PRESIDENT OBAMA CAUSES A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IN THE USA

AXJ-INTERNATIONAL
7TH OF AUGUST OF 2009

Apparently Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, II is causing a constitutional crisis in the United States as a case about his true birth place and nationality is being studied by Judge David O. Carter of a small court in Santa Ana, CA. USA, who is deciding whether to admit a case to discovery and trial on the merits in January 2010, regarding the documentation provided by Mr. Obama to Congress to prove his eligibility to occupy the Office of the President of the United States Federal Government.

The problem has become very serious simply because since January of this year Mr. Obama has systematically refused to publish the long form of his supposed birth certificate proving he was in fact born in the State of Hawaii in the United States in 1961.

Many so called “Birthers” believe among other things that Stanley Ann Dunham was not actually Mr. Obama's biological mother, and that she was not physically in Hawaii in August of 1961. In fact to date no Doctor nor witness living in Hawaii in 1961 has come forth to prove that Mr. Obama was in fact born in any hospital in Hawaii and no birth record exists. (Source: AXJ-HAWAII)

To make things worth Mr. Obama has only supposedly published a so called Certificate of Live Birth with apparently is fraudulent, and yet no one has actually seen the real document. We must remind our members that a document published on a website on the internet is not a real document nor can it be used in a court of Law.

The only documents that mention Mr. Obama are divorce documents which supposedly Ms Stanley Ann Dunham presented in 1964 to divorce Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, I, but no marriage certificate has been found, nor was Mr. Obama Sr. ever served such documents, added to the fact that he could not legally marry any woman in the United States since he was already married to another woman in his native Kenya. (Source AXJ-KENYA).

AXJ-USA has published the following supposed photographs which simply do not seem real to many so-called “Birthers”.

The problem is not that Mr. Obama may have possibly been born in Kenya in 1961, the problem is that according to the US Constitution of 1787, ARTICLE II cleary states in paragraph “4. No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President…”

Therefore, if Mr. Obama cannot prove to a Jury, (if the case goes to discovery and trial on the merits), that he was in fact born in the United States and is eligible to occupy the office of President, he must resign and all the laws, orders and agreements he has signed while in office will be null and void.

AXJ-INTERNATIONAL cannot and will not get involved in the decision of the court of competent jurisdiction in the United States of America, but can and will request that the civil and political rights of all citizens and persons resident and visiting the United States be respected.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Man: Well, what've you got?
Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;
Vikings: Spam spam spam spam…
Waitress: …spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam…
Vikings: Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
Waitress: …or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.
Wife: Have you got anything without spam?
Waitress: Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

“If Obama is hiding something, if he isn't releasing a document that anyone can get, why hasn't Orly submitted a 1961 long-form birth certificate recently acquired from someone else born in Hawaii?”

Recently aquired meaning that it was issued by the state in the last two years.

(So the Nordyke twins certs don't count)


Name
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

That was my drift, correct. Thank you for helping me clarify.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Auntie, you NAILED it with Monty Ponty———perfecto


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Reasonable people discern that Alan Keyes is a professional crank. He has zero credibility outside of your tinfoil hat brigade, ergo he had nothing to lose by going along with your group delusion.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

Impotent rage, coming from you and Keyes


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

I'd rather have impotent rage, than impotence!

Yeah babeeeee…


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Nahhh, you guys here, are BORINGGGGG!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Right on the money, AXJ!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

Hillary brought up the Kenya issue, WHY?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

“The Kenya issue” LOL!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Um, the phrase means that impotence causes the rage, Einstein


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

I think you have it backwards: Birfers are here to do the entertaining…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Let's see: Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas , Michael Steele and…your husband. check. We have finally identified the only 4 black Republicans in existence. I knew there was one more floating around out there…


Steve_X
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Let's see…delusional rant about “citizenship?” Check.

Nonsense about a constitution that he's never read? Check.

Insisting that the legitimacy of the President hinges on a jury trial, despite having no law to support such stupid nonsense? Check.

No legal authority for ANYTHING he believes in? Check.

A completely delusional misreading and misunderstanding of the Constitution? Check.

Insisting that the burden of proof lies with the defendant and not with the plaintiff, despite the fact that this isn't “Alice in Wonderland?” Check.

Repeating debunked lie after debunked lie, all the while hoping that people who are sane won't realize that he's lying? Check.

A complete lack of even the slightest bit of evidence to support anything he claims, yet being so delusional that he sees absolutely nothing wrong with that? Check.

All the elements are there. I guess this really is a delusional birfer post.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

Why should he? Birfers are much too stupid (and therefore much too entertaing) for anyone to stop them now, and Orly's way too dumb to realize that the entire judicial system is having a great big laugh at her expense.

Of course, she IS too stupid to sign her name to a pleading, so I guess we shouldn't be too surprised.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

A homeless man on the street corner summed it up when he said “You need to wear a tinfoil hat like me, so the aliens won't steal your brainwaves!”


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

If you buy a New car and pay by check and the check bounces you have to come up with the money you said was in your checking account when you gave up the check for the purchase, or give up the New Ride and suffer the consequences. Well, Barry )o( wrote his check saying he was a Natural Born American Citizen, Pelosi cosigned that check, and now that check bounced. So now he has to pony up the facts of give back his new home. Hiding the fact his Constitutional bank account is without funds does not save him from being a usurper.
Natural Born = Born of Blood and Soil
The Blood of both parents, American Citizens at his birth & that birth on American Soil.
Daddy )O( was never an American Citizen. He never tried nor wanted to become one. He was a Kenyan Brit.
Being a British Subject and under the British Nationality Act of 1948 his new born )o( in 1961 was born a British Citizen as soon as he came out into the world.
If you are born to a foreign parent and, or, are born a foreign citizen you can never be a Natural Born American Citizen. (see John Jay's letter to George Washington dealing with adding Natural Born to our Constitution).
And “citizen” as in the 14th Amendment, and the phrase “Natural Born American Citizen” are not the same thing. A citizen can be a Senator, Congressman, or a Governor but not a President. The founding fathers were very clear about this. They had British parents and were not born American citizens. So they had to add “unless you are a citizen of the US at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” in order for one of them to be able to hold the office of POTUS. The first 10 Presidents used this language. Baby )o( was not a citizen 232 years ago so that language can not be used by him. His foreign daddy and his British Citizenship from birth makes the office of POTUS out of his reach except by lies and deception. Wake Up America! Our future is in our hands. Yell the truth from the roof tops! United we stand divided we fall.


Name
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

There is no case law that supports your interpretation of natural born citizen.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Not only is nothing you wrote even remotely true, it barely makes any sense.

Like most birfers, you don't have any legal authority, facts, or evidence to support anything you say. Of course, since birfers don't know anything about the law I'm not really all that surprised.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

Edjumacate yo self boy-eee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-Am…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

Well you have to admit, magicman seems to have squeezed out some blood sweat and tears working up the hapless and lame check bouncing metaphor. True, it was shoehorned into the usual mouthbreather “chain-of-logic” fallacy, but at least he tried to gussie it up a little for our entertaiment. I know, I know: FAIL


tracyfair
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

That's actually past and present. Here's one where you can find current black republicans:

http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home….

As if you are interested. Don't care if you are, just wanted to make you look the liar!

Later…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

…still waiting…


Steve_X
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

“There is so much evidence against Barack Obama that Orly Taitz would do well to concentrate on the minimum by focusing on his birth and citizenship.”

You're right about the evidence part…after all birfers have not just one, but TWO Kenyan birf sertifikats. Combine those with the voices in Orly's head and the birfers have a slam-dunk case.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 5:07 am

So why should anyone trust a MARIJUANA ADDICT, huh?!?!

And, more importantly, why wouldn’t someone who like you relax, smoke a little, and think calmly and rationally about these issues? What’s with the paranoia?


lkt
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 12:11 am

“severely disturbed person”? WTF? Dave, that's way too much of a politically correct way to describe Oily. Don't you know that repubs don't believe in that stuff. Oily Taint is bat shit crazy!!


brendanm
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 4:49 am

You forgot to mention the self-sourcing to “bureaus” from “around the globe” that are part of his “international” shitty little blog. I thought that was the most pathetic thing of all.

“AXJ-INTERNATIONAL” must be one of the saddest, loneliest guys in the world.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:32 am

During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. How can a “natural born citizen” of the United States be governed – at birth – by British law? The issue is that Obama has admitted to dual Nationality. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” by his own admission! Obama cannot legally be President of the United States and he knows this!


Steve_X
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

“AXJ” is truly a special kind of pathetic. Like a lot of birfers, he keeps hoping that people will click on the links to his shitty, crapware-infested website for the privilege of reading more of the same garbage that he spews here. I've never clicked on any of his links and I never will; needless to say, his website can go straight to Hell.


Randwulf
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

It is as simple as this. The fix is in. Since the last court proceedings, the Obama forces have been working overtime to “convince” Judge Carter that it would be a BIG MISTAKE for HIM (personally) to allow this case to continue. They have gotten to him just as I predicted they would. If he allows the case to continue, he knows that he will be attacked and ruined. Or worse. These people will continue to use threats, intimidation and general terror tactics to continue to shut down any legal examination of the facts surrounding Obama's origins. Who can't see this?

I mean, it has now gone so far that even a statement by a former senator that he isn't “sure” that Obama was US born will provoke attacks. It is now a crime against the new social order to even express that one is not quite certain about Obama credibility.

It IS definitely over folks. The government is no longer even slightly functional in overseeing the rights of the citizenry or the authority of the Constitution. Turn the page. Forget it. We're done. The courts have failed us in this entirely. Our only hope now is a Constitutionalist motivated military takeover and removal of the usurper. I wonder what the catalyst for that will be. So many possibilities coming down the pike.


Jim
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Nice, there, rantwulf. Can't get the courts to ignore the law, the constitution, and SCOTUS precedence, you now advocating a military takeover. Let's see, who should we call…who the heck is in charge of the military? I know, it's the CIC! Now rantingwulf, do you even know who the CIC is? Or, are you just so dumb we might as well assume that you don't know…just like you don't know the constitution…just like you don't know the laws…just like you don't understand SCOTUS opinions.


Jim
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

Red, you understand that America isn't beholding to other country's laws, correct?

Well, what do you know, SCOTUS answers that for you directly…

“As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. 1 And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law. As at birth she became a citizen of the United States, at citizenship must be deemed to continue unless she has been deprived of it through the operation of a treaty or congressional enactment or by her voluntary action in conformity with applicable legal principles.”

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

Well look at that Red, SCOTUS says you CAN have dual citizenship. Has no affect on your American citizenship. Isn't that nice, you can sleep better tonight.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Rantwoof you DO have some choices: you can shop around for a new country whose laws/constitution are clear to you, you can stay here and STFU, or you can stay here and continue to talk about insurrection—should you choose the last option I urge you to take care you don't step over the line in your antiAmerican rhetoric because if you do I will advocate for rounding up you and any other traitors and shipping you one-way to Gitmo.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

“Since the last court proceedings, the Obama forces have been working overtime to “convince” Judge Carter that it would be a BIG MISTAKE for HIM (personally) to allow this case to continue. They have gotten to him just as I predicted they would.”

Where's your proof, anonymous, idiotic, paranoid mouth breather?


Majority Will
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

“So many possibilities coming down the pike.”

Like you being charged with sedition or treason.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

You will keep copying and pasting the same idiotic drivel on every article about birfoons like you. It doesn't magically make it true. But there is a saying about people who keep repeating the same thing over an over and over and each time expect a different result.

You are wrong. You have no credibility. You have no authority. But your delusional, paranoid rambling is mildly entertaining.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

“that he was in fact born in the United States and is eligible to occupy the office of President”

He has to the satisfaction of people in authority that matter. You're not one of them and you never will be.

Keep it up, though. I'm going to make more popcorn.


Jim
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

OK, while we wait for the ruling. Here is a little transcript (not from court, but a third party) for your reading enjoyment.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20658448/Barnett-v-Ob…

Then, a little post-game from outside the courtroom:

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/…

What's funny about the second one is the quote from Willy Drake: “Drake said that he has known Judge Carter for years and that his failure to move the case forward was an illustration of the “emasculation” of a former marine.”

So, how well does he really know the Judge?
From the court transcript of the September 9 hearing:

[Carter] I believe I met Pastor Drake in the 1990s when a young Marine named Beetle Bailey passed away.

Pastor Drake, I think I recognize you. And I think that the lst Battalion 9th Marines had a memorial at your church when Beetle Bailey had passed away. I don’t recall ever having any other acquaintance or association with you, have I?

Pastor Drake: No sir. Other than that.

Orly logic at its best!!! LOL


Antibirther
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

“Beetle Bailey?”

WTF?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

“Our only hope now is a Constitutionalist motivated military takeover”

How un-American of you.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

You could almost count the minutes before they started with the: “The fix is in” nonsense.

What a bunch of cry-babies.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Not Gitmo, one of the FEMA camps. I hear there's one up in the UP of Michigan that is “quite chilling” in the winter.


Jim
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Hey, you can't make this stuff up. Guess his parents liked the comics.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

This idiotic, pointless, evidence-free, fact-free rant is just the type of stupid bullshit that makes everyone laugh at what a bunch of delusional morons the birfers are.

Once again the birfers show themselves to be the stupidest people on the planet…but really, what else could you expect when Orly Taitz is your leader? A bunch of idiots that know nothing about the Constitution, evidence, or any other area of law following an equally deluded moron that knows even less than they do.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

But Beetle Bailey is was in the Army, not the Marines.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

Maybe he meant Gomer Pyle.


Jim
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

OK, now Orly asks the government attorneys to start discovery immediately. The response is one of the most famous in the annals of US History…”Nuts!”.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/du…

So, she's going to ask the judge to start discovery…like she'll get very far with that one!


Jim
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

If Lincoln is disbarred, how is he working as a clerk for Orly? Am I somehow mistaken with what disbarment means?


Steve_X
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

When a lawyer gets disbarred he can no longer hold himself out as a lawyer. However, he would still be free to do things like clerking and research tasks. As long as he doesn't actively “practice law” (the definition varies slightly from state to state) he probably won't run afoul of his state's bar association. Orly's gonna find out what disbarment is like soon enough.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Discovery has been granted and dates for hearing final. Cool.


Jim
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

BTW AXJ, check the wires before you comment. No discovery granted. Her application for expedited was denied.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 1:03 am

So you are preaching sedition? You are advocating a seditious act against the lawfully elected government of the United States because the courts didn't rule the way YOU think they should have? You, who evidently believe everything that crazy foreign-born woman keeps ranting? If you can believe in her than you will believe anything. I will sell you a bridge I just happen to have over in Brooklyn.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 1:11 am

And if you were correct, which you are not, several of our early presidents would not have qualified as they had a parent not born here. Go check it out. We seem to have survived those presidency's. We will do just fine in this one. If you crazy birthers would just go away. We need people helping these days and not tying up our courts with foolish and fraudulent lawsuits.


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 1:18 am

ALERT! ALERT! This is not a drill, repeat this is not a drill!

All Obama paid bloggers are to report for assignment to Operation Rogue Rabbit Roundup. Immediately report to your local ACORN or SEUI staging area. You will receive your assignment and be issued either cattle-prods or tranquilizer guns, depending on the training you received at Americorp camp.

The change in schedule is due to the fact that Orly and the Birther Movement are getting close to removing our Great Leader. We thought that paid bloggers and Alinsky methods would be enough to counter this heinous grassroots movement. They have proven to be a much more formidable opponent and we must move quickly to a Final Solution.

The Great Leader wants to thank all on these sites who assisted in drawing out these these non believers. They have been tagged and will soon be bagged.

PRAISE THE LEADER

P.S. Refreshments will be served after the roundup, which shouldn't take more than a few hours.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Well at some point after his Indonesian gig Soetoro/Obama made a choice concerning his citizenship & nobody can say for sure what that choice was or exactly what choices he had. The original BC & his college records would shed a lot of light on what his citizenship was & is. The Pakistan trip fits into it too as does at least one trip the Obama made to his birthplace Kenya.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 5:54 am

Obama is 52 years old?
http://www.myspace.com/barackobama

Why is he playing games with the US public when it comes to the date of birth?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:05 am

Thanks Tracy, AXJ has become a menace to the anti-birthers out there simply because they have stated the truth. Nobody has seen Obama's birth certificate and now he has sealed it. Why would anybody do that?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:11 am

A reasonable person? That is obviously not you or the rest like you. You have no reason- you are devoid of reason. You very unreasonable people won't listen to reason, you won't listen to the officials who are in charge of vital records in Hawaii. You won't listen to the republican governor of Hawaii that the presidents documents are in order and he was born in Hawaii as stated and his Certificate of Live Birth states. You are the unreasonable people. Why is it the only time I have ever heard this kind of garbage surrounding a president is when it is a black president? Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, born to an American woman on American soil. That this garbage is still going on indicates how deep the hatred of our first black president within many of you who keep this crap alive. Give it up. Go do something useful. Volunteer to feed the hungry or help the homeless, plant a tree or clean up a neighborhood, read to a blind person or better yet read for the blind radio or a book. Do something useful that is not taking up precious time of our courts and judges who have much more important things to do. Just give it up!!!!!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

LOLOL, OMG…too fuckin funny.

Get this…the institution that AWARDS people for the Nobel Peace prize is The Norwegian Nobel Committee. The committee is composed of five members appointed by the Storting (Norwegain Parliament).

#1 Thorbjørn Jagland (Chairman) President of the Storting

Thorbjørn Jagland started his political career in the Workers' Youth League, and served as national leader from 1977 to 1981. is the youth wing of the Norwegian Labour Party. AUF was formed in April 1927, following the merger of Left Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway. It's ideology is DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM!.

In 1998, four leaders and treasurers of Oslo AUF were convicted of fraud and jailed as part of the Workers' Youth League membership scandal. They were found to have filed excessive membership numbers in order to receive increased municipal grants, and the court case revealed that most youth parties and their leaders had been engaging in this practice since the 1970s.[27] Jagland testified in the case and said it was not necessarily wrong to “advance” money for memberships, provided the members in question reimburse this fee later on. But he did testify that it was unacceptable to transfer money from AUF's main bank account to pay for membership fees. When pressed by the prosecutor, he also agreed that membership numbers were too high when he was the leader of AUF.

Since 1999, Jagland is also one of several vice presidents of the Socialist International. Jagland stated that the left wing in Norway does not use Socialist International enough. From 2000 to 2006, he chaired the Socialist International Committee on the Middle East, and he has outspokenly opposed the perceived presence of ISLAMOPHOBIA (hmmm) in Western societies.

#2 Kaci Kullmann Five (Deputy Chairman) Adviser Public Affairs

Not much on this one, cept that she is a Board Member of International IDEA. IDEA offers database access on topics as voter turnout, electoral system design, quotas for women and political finance laws and regulations.

HMMM, another Community Organizer!

#3 Sissel Rønbeck (Member) Deputy Director, Directorate for Cultural Heritage

Sissel Marie Rønbeck is a Norwegian politician for the Labour Party. Another Socialist/Communist!

#4 Inger-Marie Ytterhorn (Member) Senior political adviser to the Progress Party's Parliamentary Group

She seems ok, guess she was outnumbered by the Socialists!

#5 Ågot Valle (Member) Member of Parliament

Ågot Valle is a Norwegian politician for the Socialist Left Party. which is an alliance of the Socialist People's Party, Communist Party of Norway, Democratic Socialists – AIK and independent Socialists.

NEED I SAY MORE you Obamacornians? Socialism, that's all they want from Obama!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

That explains it ALL! It wasn't fair minded people who voted. I feel much better now!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

I think its time to make a VIDEO, this is GOOD info!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

“AXJ has become a menace…” A murmuring, babbling, faceless herd of Birfers shouting at the sky with drool-gurgled, non-sequiter-laced syllabics while the world looks on with revulsion and the curiosity usually reserved for seedy carnival freakshows. As undifferentiated and faceless as they appear to the onlookers, they actually have an internal pecking order; evidently, they can tell each other apart—’this one is bold’——’this one has become a menace’ LOL …almost endearing…


Steve_X
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Why do you keep posting this stupid nonsense when you don't have any proof to back any of it up?

At least you birfers can't get much dumber; you dummies have pretty much hit rock bottom intellectually.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

Wait, wait, wait…his Myspace page? Really?

Is this what the birfer movement has sunk to? No actual evidence of anything, so they latch onto a social networking site where anyone can create a profile under any name that he (or she) wants? Seriously?

This is the BEST that birfers can do?

Well, it’s about as reliable as all of the other “evidence” that birfers claim is legitimate. I guess you better take a screencap of it and email it to Orly right away!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

You make absolutely no sense at all, tracyCrackhead.


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Motion to dismiss NOT granted! Trial date SET!

woohoo


chrisjay
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

I can't wait 'til the Obama Brown Shirts muzzle all of you whining little ranters. You can all whine and moan to each other in your FEMA camps, and we'll proclaim Obama Supreme Leader for Life as reward for cleansing our homeland of your incessant crybaby mewlings


Anonymous
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Are you telling us that an usurper has created a myspace web page containing erroneous data without approval from the site itself and the White House?
Google link says that this is an official myspace page for Obama.
You would think that such a prominent web page would be scrutinized if an usurper had created it. Who would take a risk of posting a bogus information and risking a lawsuit from the White House?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

Who would be dumb to create a fake site for the US president and put a bogus information?
Do you really believe that such a web site would be tolerated for this long had it not been an official one?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

No explanations – just rants.
Why is Obama’s long form birth certificate hidden from public?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Well gosh NBC, I guess you’ve got me over a barrel there. I mean, not only did you manage to find Obama’s MySpace page, you also found it using the Google. That means that everything on the page is automatically true.

MySpace + Google = WIN

Somebody better get this damning, critical piece of evidence to Orly pronto. His MySpace page says that he’s 52! Do you know what this means? This is the crucial piece of evidence that will unravel the Obama scheme for world domination! Decades of planning, scheming, plotting, Kenyan birf sertifikats…only to be done in by his MySpace page. Oh the humanity!

And this post is in no way making light of your discovery. After all, every lawyer worth his salt knows that the information on a MySpace page is the best type of evidence that one can find, and is acceptable in any court of law anywhere in the country.

Dammit, Tom! We Obots will have your head for this!


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Sorry, Tracy, the motion to dismiss hasn't been ruled on yet. The request for stay from discovery is denied. Orly has to wait for the judge to decide on the Motion to dismiss. You must be from the Orly school of “I don't know crap” there Tracy…or your reading comprehension is nil.

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/…

BTW, enjoy the comments underneath Tracy.


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

nc: “Why is Obama’s long form birth certificate hidden from public?”

Hawaii state law, in fact it follows most state laws. Trying to cut down on identity theft…and another 9/11.


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Sorry, Red, his BC says he was born in Hawaii, and as per the SCOTUS opinion above, it doesn't matter what his mother did or whether or no he was adopted. He is an american citizen until HE says he isn't sometime after his 18th birthday. So, you're just beating a dead horse there.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Obama says on his myspace page that he is 52 years old. Check it out for yourself. Is this is not a proof that Obama is lying about his birth – what else do you need?

How old is he 48, 52? Which one is a LIE?

Both are posted on the web – the only way to verify his claims is to examine the original long form birth certificate.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

Obama claims to be 52 years old – does it make any sense to you?


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

So,. NC, now you're so desperate you're using Myspace? What legal weight does that carry? None. But, hey, anything to get you excited before it's tossed. It just continues to show that you have absolutely no proof and you're just reaching for straws. BTW, don't tell females their Myspace ages are too low, that's a good way to get killed!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Unnatural citizen, what the hell are you babbling about?


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Not the public, NC, just the blowers. Since Myspace has no legal weight, just another useless thing for you to get all excited about before Judge Carter delivers the beat down. But, hey, if it gets your crotch all moist, have at it!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Unnatural, your Myspace page says that you have execrement for brains: I rest my case—-let's see you rebut Myspace


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

Look at his official myspace.com page. It has a different claim for his age than COLB document.
You ridicule others – can you explain the information that is in plain view for everyone to see.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Are you suggesting that factcheck.org has legal weight?

I do not need judge Carter to tell me that Obama's birth information is a big LIE.


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

BWAHAHAHAHA…you've GOT to be the absolutely dumbest person I've ever had the pleasure of typing to. You don't need anyone to tell you it's a lie, because you just make up what you need when you need it. What you DO need is quit following Orly with your nose stuck up her butt like she's a b*tch in heat. But, that'll never happen, you enjoy it too much.


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Oh, now he's complaining about the Myspace page having a different age. Of course, that was pointed out ages ago…but you know NC, he just discovered it and it's like the heavens parting for him. Just another useless thing he's going to throw out so he can talk in circles again.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

I see, Baghdad Jim has no explanation – just rants.
Obama lied about his birthplace.


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

I see NC only has the ability to talk in circles and not the ability to do any critical thinking on his own. So, since he can't prove anything, all he's left with is calling people liars. My guess of you having the mental capacity of a 2-year-old was about right.


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Tracy, Are you randwolf's sister? You both seem to talk to yourself a lot.

No one is really interested in what you say so i guess your Sybil conversations make sense.

Your stories are similar and not believeable and you are both good at cut and paste.

I think you are eating too much paste and it is affecting what little brain that remains.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

“What else do you need?” I need a rightwinger with 2 braincells he can rub together & thereby generate a (albeit weak) signal! I can hardly believe that this crap is the best you imbeciles can come up with. spiraling downward before our eyes. If I'm going to bother rightclicking, puleese bring SOMETHING. We're gonna have to pull the plug soon if we don't see any brain activity on the moitor…


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Obviously YOU are interested, or you wouldn't be replying!

WOMP WOMP WOMP


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

YEAH HE DID!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

I thought “I” was the dumbest…

Ohhh drats!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Supreme Leader…lolol

You got that right, well be Iran before long!


Jim
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Now Tracy, I have to admit you got me there. NC's just been working at it harder lately. I haven't given up on you yet, keep working on it.

And, I do appreciate you taking it as it was meant…too many think a message board opinion means something. It really doesn't.


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

That WOMP WOMP is the sound of the black helicopters coming to take you away, ha ha.

You better stock up on paste because when you come down you are not going to like what you see.

You Lost.
We Won.
Get Used To It.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

I actually know a Jim who spent time in Baghdad, working for a certain former Commander in Chief. Last November he voted for Obama. Said that McCain was a poser!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

COLB = 48 years old
MYSPACE = 52 years old

Who is lying?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

I agree McCain is a poser.
How about Obama being a lier!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

Baghdad Jim,
In your wisdom could you provide an argument for DoH to deny access to index records related to Obama's original birth certificate.
They would not privide the information whether a document has been submitted to them on August 8, 1961 (as COLB suggests).
Keep in mind – this is not a request for the actual certificate – just a registration logbook that would confirm that such activity took place. There is nothing private about it – just a name, date and vital event that took place.
There is a law in Hawaii (UIPA) that makes DoH index records public ones – available upon request by any citizen. There is even office (OIP) providing law assitance to the public.
The DoH can drag their feet for only so long before the truth comes out.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 4:27 am

1. The Hawaii law (UIPA) makes index data public, yet a simple request for DoH index data for August 8, 1961 is being ignored.
Why?

2. There is no privacy protection when it comes to Obama’s birth certificate. He has waved his right to privacy by publishing the COLB document on the web.

3. What does 9/11 has to do with long form birth certificate?


Jim
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 4:33 am

1) I don’t care. They’ll figure it out eventually, even if they have to go to court.
2) That’s absolute BS. Your BC is yours to do with as you please, as long as you don’t use it illegally. Just because you show it, doesn’t mean your whole life becomes an open book for anyone to dig into it.
3) Do you need a history lesson on the new laws that were passed after 9/11? Why do you think that’s significant? Are you really that without a life outside your basement you forgot about it already?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Do you realize that your comment about Myspace can be equally applied to factcheck.org? Basically you are ridiculing Obama for posting document on the web and trying to pass it as legitimate one.
Thank you for making my point!


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Since when is Myspace worthy as a source for information? LMAO!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 12:52 am

ummm…no.

The kool-aid drool needs to be wiped up too…


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 12:54 am

He can be a law office clerk, he just cannot practice as an attorney.


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 12:57 am

The fix is not in…all of these cases (and there have been many) have been or are in the process of being dismissed.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/docket/ All of them are listed here with links to court documents.


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 1:06 am

Judge Carter was pretty clear about what he'd do with the messages from the Birthers…which is where this case is headed. Which is a shame because the entertainment factor just keeps multiplying exponentially….


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 6:15 am

There is no equivalency between factcheck.org & Myspace and your failure to appreciate this speaks volumes about your inability to separate wheat from chaff. If there is an age discrepancy at “his” Myspace profile, as you claim, what does this prove? That POTUS has better things to do than peruse “his” freakin’ Myspace page to ferret out typos and errors—-and that’s IF you aren’t making this up! You would have had a great career in an earlier age divining portents from pigeon innards, you sad teabag.


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 1:23 am

You also forgot that Obama is the CIC. I know it is an annoying little fact to overcome, just like thinking the courts failed you when in fact the courts followed the law each time these cases were dismissed. But because it didn't go your way it's assumed the fix is in…but such is the life of a Birther.

Here is one more fact for you. The Defense (Obama) doesn't have to prove anything because in this country you are innocent until “PROVEN” guilty. And kangaroo grand juries and public forums are not courtrooms.

The only possibility coming down the pike is your 8×10 FEMA camp cell.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 6:37 am

For legal purpose both web sites are equivalent.
You must be naive to believe that a prominent web site on Myspace (the only one reported as Official Obama’s Myspace page by Google) has been usurped by somebody posting bogus info on Obama.
We were told that Obama and his team were focused on web as a medium for outreach to the public.
I think that somebody on his team is maintaining the site.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 1:49 am

Obotater


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 1:56 am

You cheated
election repeated
all Demcomms defeated
you'll need to get used to it, Big Time!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 2:08 am

You see the little )o( was born in Kenya in 1957, when his mama got to Hawaii in 1961 she found one of the only two black guys living in Hawaii at the time and got him to marry her. The Marriage License is the only document Hawaii has on file about Obama's existence. He was listed as a preexisting offspring. They used the date of the License to create the “filed” but never “accepted” certificate of live birth. This is the biggest hoax ever put on the gullible people of America. My God we have to enact a law that prevents the Stupid from voting.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 2:14 am

oldman: Your recent postings are even more juvenile than tracy's. That's pathetic.
Submit a real posting or don't bother.
Just stay in a fetal position until the next election and observe how democracy works, you mouthbreathing whiner.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Still juvenile, but at least you employed cognitive thinking to execute this drivel.
'A' for effort


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 2:18 am

You'll need more than cattle-prods and tranquilizer guns me buckos. WE got “teeth”!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 4:15 am

Since when is factcheck.org source for legitimate information? Does their opinion count in the court of law?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Which web site is telling the truth – factcheck.org or Myspace?
Where is the proof?


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Ankle-biters are annoying but a rolled up newspaper is usually enough to send them under the couch whimpering.

If you have teeth they were probably paid for by Medicare.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 6:14 am

What makes you think that is his official MySpace page? You could have set that up yourself.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 6:48 am

Google “Myspace Barack Obama” and see for yourself. The only link that returns the attribute “official”.
Who would be stupid to put a fake web site of a Nobel Prize Winner on MySpace with incorrect information on the front page? Do you think that such thing would be unnoticed/tolerated by the White House staff and MySpace?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

No, I’m ridiculing the birfer movement because this WND-manufactured MySpace conspiracy, pathetic though it may be, is the only thing that even comes close to evidence.

First of all, those two sites have completely different purposes; you do know that factcheck is not a social networking site, don’t you? And you do know that there is no way to actually post a physical document on the internet, don’t you?

Never mind. You don’t have to answer those questions. Everything you write just proves that even when birfers manage to use correct English and punctuation they still have no idea what the hell they’re talking about. The only thing they do is manage to make absurd comparisons between two things that have nothing in common and sound like idiots in the process. Of course, that’s what I and the other sane people have been saying all along and we now have your posts as evidence.

Thank you for making fools of yourselves!


Jim
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Actually, Hawaii presented “proof” of his Hawaii birth when they issued the BC. My point is even simpler…Hawaii is the recorder of birth. Unless you can prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii and Hawaii is lying, which you’ve never even come close to doing, then you’ve got nothing. Besides, no one has to make you happy NC, you’re a nobody. All we have to do is watch you continue to squirm and throw out useless facts that prove nothing. Entertainment at its best!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

First they tell the public how Obama’s campaign is using Internet to reach the audience – now you are telling me that we should discount the Myspace page.
OK – than we should discount the factcheck.org too.
Obama decided to present the physical copy only to anonymous people behind the factcheck.org – he did not invite all interested journalists to actually see the document.
Factcheck.org has been proven wrong when it comes to Obama citizenship status. Their fact checking was sloppy.
In addition. they never claimed that the COLB was compared with the original version or even index data stored by DoH. They did not compare it with the hospital registration file.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

I’m not telling you to discount the MySpace page. Since the birfers can’t present any other credible evidence of anything they claim, feel free to count that page as much as you want to, as it is literally the only thing close to evidence that birfers have to go on.

As a matter of fact, I think Orly should include the MySpace paradox in her next brief. After all, this was the same woman who cited to an online AOL poll as to why Obama should release his “real” birf sertfikat, so why should hanging her case on the unimpeachable veracity of a MySpace page be any different?

As far as everything else you said, none of it matters because no birfer has ever been able to prove that the COLB posted online is fake. Birfers have filed nearly 40 court cases and you’ve been laughed out of court every time because you birfers can’t seem to understand that the burden of proof remains solely on YOU and no one else. Why is that so difficult for birfers to understand?

You keep saying that factcheck has been “proven wrong.” So what? The only people that care about that are birfers who have no other evidence of anything they claim. If you think that fact is legally relevant, then be sure to tell Orly to mention that in her next frivolous lawsuit; I’m sure the next judge could use a good laugh before he kicks yet another frivolous birfer lawsuit out of court.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Well, Unnatural, sounds like you’re convinced you’ve got yourself a Smoking Gun right smack in the middle of the www for everybody to see.
Good luck with that, impotent raging ‘bagger.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

I looked into my crystal ball and I see the future. Next week Judge Carter will toss Orly and her case out to the garbage heap where all the other Birther cases have gone. Orly will then demand Judge Carter resign or be removed, call him an idiot accuse him of treason and accuse “the Obama brown shirts” of conspiracy and of manipulating the courts (and everyone else who opposes her) . Followed by probably calling (yet again) for the military to openly revolt and remove the imposter BO by force. She will probably go on such a high pitched babbling rant in the courtroom that the Judge will charge her with contempt and (hopefully) throw her ass in jail, and or have her disbarred just like that assistant of hers.

Shall we wait and see???


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Obviously you think Myspace is credible if you think I'm suggesting the bio is bogus. Are you completely sure it's “HIS” page and he updates it? I could care less, as I said…”Since when is Myspace worthy as a source for information? LMAO!!”

Who cares what his myspace page says…it's a social networking site not a research outlet…and who said anything about Factcheck? I didn't…neither did anyone else you're throwing that at…

Hope your meds were not switched with your kids skittles.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

That site has been used by Obamabots as a proof of his Hawaiian birth.
How many “facts” did they really check?
It is ok for Obamabots to pick and chose which web site can be used to prove Obama’s birthplace/age. In my mind none of them have any legal weight.


Jim
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Well, the state of Hawaii does say he was born there. So, we’ll take their “facts” over your delusions any day of the week. Your mind is not at all legal, so keep it up.


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

Cute comment…not very original, but cute none the less…


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

Well, given that she continues to do the same thing out in GA…(Which I still do not understand how a non-ABA attorney from a non-accredited correspondence law school can be the lead attorney in any case outside of California) I can see her doing it here in California too…but then again this is the O'Rly show and the entertainment value is unprecedented! ;)

I know all good things come to an end, but this is one side show that I'll enjoy as long as possible!


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

At least Tracy's are humorous…


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

You may have teeth, but leaving them in the glass beside your bed doesn't count. ;)


darthtater
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

LMAO!!…


Steve_X
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Judge Land admitted her pro hac vice for that case only. After reading his order a few weeks ago, it almost seems like he admitted her for the sole purpose of performing an epic smackdown. He probably heard that she was a delusional moonbat fucktard and wanted to see if rumors were true, but he probably didn't think that her behavior would be so unprofessional and unethical that he would have to sanction her.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

No, you’ve got it wrong again (big surprise, right? A birfer getting something wrong? That NEVER happens!). The document posted on that site is proof of his natural-born citizenship. The website itself isn’t evidence of anything. The website is merely a medium for displaying the image. There’s a difference, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand. You are a birfer, after all.

“In my mind…”

Too good to pass up, but I will anyway. I hate the way these damn columns get so narrow. It makes it (almost) impossible to make fun of what you and the other birfers think is evidence.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

The factcheck.org was used to present the “proof” of Hawaiian birth.
My point is simple: Neither factcheck.org nor Myspace cannot be used for verification of Obama's birthplace or age.
The Myspace page is the only one returned by Google that qualifying the link as the “official page”.
I have no way of checking who is behind the page. I'll take Google's word for it – that is the best information available to the public. I believe that somebody on Obama's staff is maintaining the Myspace page.
We have been told many times how Obama's campaign is very resourceful when it comes to use of Internet to reach his supporters. A social networking site fits that purpose perfectly.


Jim
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Actually, Hawaii presented “proof” of his Hawaii birth when they issued the BC. My point is even simpler…Hawaii is the recorder of birth. Unless you can prove he wasn't born in Hawaii and Hawaii is lying, which you've never even come close to doing, then you've got nothing. Besides, no one has to make you happy NC, you're a nobody. All we have to do is watch you continue to squirm and throw out useless facts that prove nothing. Entertainment at its best!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Not Birth Certificate, but COLB, which was not sufficient proof of Hawaiian birth for at least one state agency in Hawaii unti June 2009 – when the rule was changed.


Jim
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

Not changed, just said the same thing a different way you increasingly lame idiot. The COLB is Hawaii's BC, and since you have no say in Hawaii's laws, that leaves you out in the cold. Again. Why don't you try a new tact, how about “discovering” a BC from Alpha Centauri? At least it would be interesting.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

If it was the same thing, why use different language?
Hawaii DoH ignores laws on books that allow citizens public access to DoH Index data.
Also, letter from AG Benett to Dr. Fukino, used by her to issue a press release in July 2009 to proclaim Obama a “natural-born American citizen”, was supposed to be filed in State archive within 3 days of issuing and be made available to public upon request.
Yet DoH has denied access to it. The law says that legal opinion issued by AG to heads of departments is a PUBLIC document. There is no client attorney privilege.
Thewre would be NO need for these games if Obama was really born in Kapiolani. There would be no need for State officials to play games with the public.
We are talking abouteligibility for highest office in the land – there should be no doubts whether candidate is eligible or not.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Obotater, Don't you think Orly's cute. I would mind her coming in my court.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Obot Steve? you still in Jr. high?


Jim
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Careful, oldman, they call him “Tater Salad”. And we already knew that you thought Orly was cute, no gal with brains would have you.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

We don't have to prove a thing “HE” does! He had to prove he was eligible when he and Nancy Pelosi filled out the DNC papers which they did fraudulently, This is a conspiracy, we just don't know large and widespread it is. Two or more people make a conspiracy there is no limit as to how many can be involved. Somebody's going to jail but it just may well be a very large group. Looks like they are going to have to build Obot Gitmo maybe we could work out a deal with China. Seems they all want to live in a Communist Country. If they agree to renounce their American Citizenship they could assimilate into the Chinese culture, Oh Yea! Barry wont have to do that! He was never an American Citizen in the first place. Property values in China will hit the floor. There goes the neighborhood!


Jim
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Thanks, oldfullofit, he's proven it by a Hawaii BC, verified by Hawaii officials as Obama being born there. That makes him a Natural Born Citizen, via SCOTUS…who tend to know and understand the law much better than you. He has been accepted by Congress, SCOTUS, the electoral college, a majority of the american people and is now legally our POTUS. You just got slobber dribbling down you chin. Good luck getting that admitted into evidence.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Jim, will you really be upset when the Federal Marshals put Chains on his wrists and drag him reading “screaming” off his teleprompter! That will be CHAINS we can all believe in!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Oldmagicman you ate a few too many of those magic mushrooms and they fried your brain- left it a little scrambled. You don't seem to understand. The people who bring the case must also bring the evidence. There is no credible evidence to be brought so this case is going to keep gettting tossed, time after time after time. That Oily Taters is not someone you should be hanging all your hopes on either because not only is she probably certifiable she is a very poor excuse for an attorney. If she continues to tell people they should take up arms against the lawfully elected government she might find herself back in the country she came from or living on the taxpayers dime in one of those fine US establishments commonly refered to as a “graybar hotel”. When she makes such statements and urges people to take up arms against the government it's called sedition. If something is done by one of the people that has been listening to her she may just end up being held responsible too. She isn't smart enough to realize she can't do that evidently. It's one thing to talk about the government, quite another to take up arms against it.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

What's the matter orlymagicman…are you mad that I called you out on your incompetence? Maybe all of your split personalities should put their heads together, learn how to read, and give the ol' Model Rules of Professional Conduct a quick read through. If you want to, you can do it now.

Go ahead. Your peroxide will still be here when you get back.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 2:41 am

AMEN! PERIOD!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 2:43 am

Oh we’ll PROVE IT, once they show it. They won’t show it, cause they know it will prove he wasn’t born here. JUST SHOW THE DAMN THING and get it over with!


Jim
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Still living in the world that only exists in your imagination, oldhotair? Every once in a while you should come out of that basement, be it to shower once in a while.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 2:49 am

lololol


chrisjay
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

“Chains you can believe in” Ah, you've been having that Mandingo fantasy again, you poofy old drooler? The one where you have the uppity black buck back in chains like the good ol' antebellum days and then you can have your way with him? you're probably old enough to remember dem days, huh? Don't worry, when you stop thrashing about with the foaming mouth routine we'll give you a decent burial in a sturdy, Confederate flag-lined coffin


chrisjay
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

oldsenileman thinks we are all children because he is so frickin' ancient, evidently


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 4:10 am

As promised a little history about Judge David O. Carter

Behind that sweet soft spoken demeanor lies a real Judge, nicknamed “King David” and “nominated by President Bill Clinton on June 25, 1998 to fill a seat vacated by William J. Rea. Carter was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 21, 1998, and received his commission the following day.”

So obviously there was no forum shopping on the part of Orly Taitz so that is out of the question.

But what is this man really thinking? He knows OBAMA's future as President of the United States and now International Nobel Peace Prize winner's fate is in his hands.

Does he deny the Attorney General's motion to dismiss this case and proceed with discovery, or does he wash his hands like Pilatus did?

He knows the US Constitution is above every institution in the land and THE AMERICAN PEOPLE created it and the government they are now denouncing for fraud and treason against the American People. Will his decision be the spark of another civil war? Must he realize he is in that position precisely because THE PEOPLE have put him there and he owes his allegiance to the Flag and THE PEOPLE for which it stands?

He probably does know all this and more and although he may have thousands of friends around the United States and abroad, this is the loneliest moment of his career and life.

He know all of Congress and his friends and peers are watching his evey move and will read every word he writes.

Actions speak louder than words and although he has the weight of the world on his shoulders right now, he must be just and impartial and must let this case move forward and let THE PEOPLE decide. He cannot prejudge it before it is tried on the merits as promised.

The documentation Orly Taitz has presented is very serious. If true it will be more dangerous for this great country not to have acted now and let this cancer continue.

For once in his life Judge Carter is silent. Is still. Is thinking.

Let us THE AMERICAN PEOPLE stand beside him and guide him to make the best decision for all of us.

Unfortunately Judge Carter, this time it is black or white, yes or no.

Do you continue with this trial or prolong the suffering for THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

WE MUST KNOW THE TRUTH.

——————–
*David O. Carter (born 1944 in Providence, Rhode Island) is a United States District Court Judge for the Central District of California. Assumed office October 22, 1998, Nominated by Bill Clinton, Preceded by William J. Rea, Born March 28, 1944, Providence, Rhode Island.

Biography

Carter is a “Double Bruin,” having received both his bachelor's degree (B.A. cum laude 1967) and his law degree (J.D. 1972) from the University of California, Los Angeles.

After graduating from college, Carter enlisted in the United States Marine Corps. He was promptly dispatched into service in Vietnam during the Vietnam War where he fought in the Battle of Khe Sahn in 1968. Carter was released as a First Lieutenant following his service in Vietnam. His military awards and decorations include a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.

Carter began his legal career as an Assistant District Attorney with the Orange County District Attorney's Office in 1972 where he became the senior deputy district attorney in charge of the office's homicide division. As a prosecutor, Carter was the initial prosecutor and filed charges in the case of serial killer William Bonin, also known as “The Freeway Killer,” who became the first person executed by lethal injection in California in 1996.

In addition to his judicial functions, Carter now performs a wide array of speaking engagements. He has lectured fellow judges through the California Judges College, the Judicial Criminal Law Institute, and the Ninth Circuit Judicial Conference. He also speaks frequently with judges abroad, including past engagements in Brazil, Bosnia, China, The Philippines, and Malawi. Carter finally teaches an undergraduate course on the international narcotics trade at the University of California, Irvine, where he has three times received the school's Distinguished Professors Award, and has taught with the Whittier Law School's Summer Abroad Program.

[edit] Judicial career

[edit] Orange County Superior Court

In 1981, Carter joined the bench as a Municipal Court Judge in Orange County, California. One year later, he became an Orange County Superior Judge, a position that he held until joining the federal judiciary in 1998. Carter initiated a variety of programs to assist in the rehabilitation of convicted felons, including a tattoo removal program for gang members, and was active in planning the county's Law Day festivities. He earned the nickname “King David” from attorneys while serving as the Supervising Judge of the court's Criminal Division.

[edit] United States District Court

Carter was nominated by President Bill Clinton on June 25, 1998 to fill a seat vacated by William J. Rea. Carter was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 21, 1998, and received his commission the following day.[1] He now sits in the Southern Division of the Central District of California in Orange County, California. His courtroom deputy clerk is Kristee Hopkins.[2]

As a jurist, Carter is known for his acute intellect, courteous judicial demeanor, tireless work ethic, and expertise in complex criminal litigation.[3] Although he is assigned to the Central District of California, Carter also regularly sits by designation in the District of Idaho and on occasion with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and in the District of Guam.

Notable cases

[edit] Gay-Straight Alliance (Colin ex rel. Colin v. Orange Unified School District)

In the first ruling of its kind, Carter issued a preliminary injunction in 2000 ordering Orange County public school officials to allow a Gay-Straight Alliance club organized by students to meet on campus. In so doing, Carter held that the Equal Access Act, 20 U.S.C. §§ 4071-4074, requires a public high school that accepts federal funding and established a limited open forum for non-curriculum-related student groups must allow a student group promoting tolerance for homosexual persons to meet on campus.[4]

The case settled after Carter issued the injunction, with the school board agreeing to recognize the Gay-Straight Alliance organization. Although the case was politically controversial, Orange County School Board member Linda Davis later admitted at a board meeting on November 18, 2000 that Carter's legal ruling was correct when she stated, “We know the law is on their side, but our community members don't want it.”[5]
[edit] Mexican Mafia Trials (United States v. Fernandez, et al.)

Between 2000 and 2001, Carter presided over the longest criminal trial in the history of the Central District of California.[6] This case involved the prosecution of more than forty alleged members of the Mexican Mafia on charges of murder, attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, extortion, robbery, and various drug trafficking and firearms crimes. Much of the case involved a triple homicide that occurred in 1998.[7]

The case was severed into three trials, with Carter presiding over each, and lasted for a combined 18 months. Following the conviction of Mariano “Chuy” Martinez on murder charges, the prosecution sought the death penalty, making it the first capital case to be tried in Los Angeles federal court since 1950.[8] A jury ultimately spared Martinez, sentencing him instead to life imprisonment.

[edit] Anna Nicole Smith (In re Marshall)

In 2002, Carter awarded over $88 million in damages to former Playmate Vickie Lynn Marshall, better known as Anna Nicole Smith, in the battle over the estate of her late husband, billionaire J. Howard Marshall. The case came to Carter on appeal following a federal bankruptcy court ruling that awarded Smith $475 million of her late husband's $1.6 billion fortune.

Carter ultimately concluded that Howard's son, E. Pierce Marshall, interfered with Smith's attempts to collect her inheritance. “The evidence of willfulness, maliciousness, and fraud is overwhelming,” Carter wrote in his 54-page opinion.[9] Upon finding that Smith had a reasonable expectation that she would receive a portion of her husband's estate without interference, Carter held that Smith was entitled to collect $44.3 million in punitive damages and $44.3 million in compensatory damages against Pierce Marshall.[10]

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals vacated Carter's order on the grounds that he lacked jurisdiction to hear the case because federal jurisdiction interfered with Texas probate court proceedings.[11] The Supreme Court of the United States reversed the Ninth Circuit, concluding in a unanimous opinion that Carter properly exercised jurisdiction over Smith's claim and remanded the case for further proceedings.[12] With this jurisdictional issue resolved, the case is currently pending before the Ninth Circuit on substantive issues.

[edit] Aryan Brotherhood Trials (United States v. Mills, et al.)

Carter has been heavily involved in the proceedings arising from the 2002 indictment on racketeering charges of forty alleged members of the Aryan Brotherhood (“AB”), a notorious prison gang.[13] This indictment alleges that the AB ordered thirty-two murders over a twenty-three year period and charges forty-one AB gang members and associates with violations of the federal RICO Act.[14] Twenty-six defendants were eligible for the death penalty, making this the largest capital indictment in federal history.[15]

Twenty of the defendants charged in the indictment were assigned to Carter, including two of the three commissioners of the AB's federal faction, Barry “The Baron” Mills and Tyler “The Hulk” Bingham. Following a six-month trial, a jury convicted both Mills and Bingham of committing Violent Crimes in Aid of Racketeering (VICAR) and murder. The jury deadlocked on the death penalty,[16] and both have been sentenced and are now serving life terms at ADX Florence, the federal system's sole supermax facility.

The trials of several remaining defendants are currently ongoing before Carter and other judges in the Central District of California.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Carter


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 4:26 am

youmustbejoking, really! Why do you think we keep the right to bare arms. You remember the evil Brits way back in 1776. You think the government is more important than we the people. Wrong!
Every swinging Dick Cheney out there works for us. They should have every slip of paper ever touched by this usurper scrutinized, analyzed, cataloged until such time we know everything that there has ever been to know about him and all his unAmerican associates. The situation today is far worse that taxation without representation. This is a coup d' etat!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 4:40 am

Maybe I was wrong! Jr High was a few grades above present level! Get you a nice big tootsie roll, pretend and relax, it will be OK. We will get rid of that evil usurper without your help.
Probably Monday if Judge Carter gives us a helping hand.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 4:54 am

65, ready for retirement, needs one last Big Case to go down in the history books. What a great opportunity! Write his own legacy and save America from a Communist coup in one smooth stroke. What could be better? Semper Fi!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 6:00 am

OMG, you guys are truly certifiable. Barack Obama is our president, he is a citizen of the United States and was elected by the people. His policies are not that much different from other democrat presidents and yet I don't remember this kind of brouhaha over any other president. The one huge difference is his skin color. Nothing else. No matter how much a majority of you all insist it has nothing to do with race, that is the one thing that is drastically different in this presidency. Oily Taters and all the rest – and yes, even Keyes. He doesn't want someone of color in office that doesn't believe the way he does and isn't him. And he is crazy. There is no way on God's green earth that Keyes would have ever been elected president. He could have been running against the devil himself and still would have lost. Barack Obama as the candidate made no difference in how close Keyes would have made it to the White House. That's what makes his lawsuit so stupid. He didn't have a snowballs chance of even being the candidate, let alone winning. And no matter how much you all try to protest otherwise, methinks you doth protest too much. You can't stand to see the black man in the White House.
You might as well give it up, folks. You are crazy and you won't win. Cause there are way too many of us out here that know you are deranged racists.
I used to get a lot of laughs from some of the crazy stuff I have read but I am not laughing anymore. I think you people are dangerous and crazy and detremental to the health and well being of this country. YOU are the ones we should fear because like so many of the other crazies before you, you can't just take yourselves out, you always want to take innocents with you. YOU are the ones who are trying to do harm to the United States of America. You are the ones whose citizenship should be questioned. YOU are trying to tear this country down- not build it up. I hope it all catches up with you in the near future. I, for one, will be very glad when it does.

And by the way- you're no Marine. Marines have honor.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 6:43 am

My! My! Quite a outburst? Me thinks you might think our good old Judge might have one more fight left in him. America has always survived by the few that fought to save the many. Just maybe history will once again repeat its self and save America in spite of the ignorant masses that seem to overpopulate our fair country today. Every day's a new day. I think I'll buy a new pair of shades!


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 7:11 am

I agree with you that these countrymen of ours are distructive and a dangerous symptom of the dark underbelly of our country.

There is a monster on the loose and it wants to put our head in a noose.

This is nothing new, they burned witches in Salem, and they have propageted down the generations. They have always been with us and we have always been there to push them back to the dark place they inhabit.

They can stirr up discontent and inspire others to violence but the cannot win and they know it.

Peace


msdaisy
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 12:11 pm

AXJ you people are apparently under the delusional impression that this entire country is on pins and needles waiting for this “Most important decision even made in this country”. Duh… If that were the case it would be something that was MSM headline news every single day. Yet… the only thing that even makes the news are the slap downs and they are usually found on the entertainment pages or off in some little remote blurb. Why is that? Because this is no more MSM news than the exploits of Hollywood’s elite! Hell, Janet Jackson’s boob got more media attention when her costume malfunctioned than all this Birther nonsense put together.

And if you want to know the truth about what Judge Carter is really trying to decide, its what to do with this bat shit crazy nut case Orly Taitz who continues to make a mockery of the legal system by showing up in court making an ass of herself with nothing but hearsay and forgeries.

You watch, he is going to take action alright, but it won’t be against Obama, it will be against Taitz and hopefully put an end to her ever showing up in another courtroom and wasting public resources with her circus side show, slander, treason, and constant ethics violations again!


Marie Kalivas Devine
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

When a person is so intent on hiding identity records, it is because he has
something to hide. This president is hiding something that could have kept
him from being elected if known, or at least he thinks so. Where would you
hide if he were not black? If you are so sure he is eligible, then keep
after him until he ends this controversy by showing his simple identity
records. If he cannot figure out that a few letters could end close to a
million dollars worth of lawsuits, he has no business handling problems for
the United States of America.
Marie Devine
http://www.divine-way.com


chrisjay
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Welcome to Orly's World. Thank god I escaped from Orange County years ago. There are more these wingnuts there than you'd imagine…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

“quite an outburst”? wow oldcrazyman, you are definitely an expert on outbursts. Buy yourself some new shades, by all means. You'll need a pair with VERY rose-colored lenses, 'because the little world of hope you have built around persecuting POTUS will come to naught soon, and you'll need a very rosy outlook to cushion your despair—-or maybe just a new hobby.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

Whether these screen-names hide Orly, or just her acolytes, one thing is for sure: you're gonna need plenty of aliases if one of your simleminded, easily-influenced followers gets off of their fat ass and decides that these epithets we see here constantly hurled at POTUS, such as “Evil Usurper”, are inspiration to go all Tim McVeigh and take a potshot at the Pres.
When that happens, it'll be a game changer for you sick, twisted clowns. I've already spoken to my congressman and both senators about you rage-twisted idiots and we've discussed a number of different scenarios for some consequences for this stuff. Stand by for further developments.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

You're right about that. There are enough crazy people, crazy enough to try something really stupid out there without even more crazy people egging them on. I believe that is one of the things Judge Carter will slap Orly with when he gets her back in court.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Orlymagicman, I'm impressed. You actually responded with a complete sentence instead of a nonsensical rant! I have to say that I'm actually flattered; it's the best impersonation of a sane person that any birfer has ever done. You should try impersonating a sane person in court someday. It'll be great. You can pretend that you went to a real law school and everything!

I know it took at least two of your three brain cells to come up with that witty line about the tootsie roll, but you really shouldn't overdo it. After all, you still have more frivolous lawsuits to file, and more “evidence” to buy off of eBay…oops, I mean find through legitimate channels. It'll probably take the work of all of your split personalities to do it right, so you guys should probably get started.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 1:11 am

“MarieDevine wrote, in response to youmustbejoking (unregistered):

When a person is so intent on hiding identity records, it is because he has

something to hide. This president is hiding something that have kept

him from being elected if known, or at least he thinks so. Where would you

hide if he were not black? If you are so sure he is eligible, then keep

after him until he ends this controversy by showing his simple identity

records. If he cannot figure out that a few letters could end close to a

million dollars worth of lawsuits, he has no business handling problems for

the United States of America. Marie Devine”

I have heard that same old tired statement for months. Prove it. Where is your information coming from? The president has had members of the Justice Department, who have salaries that we taxpayers pay for, because that is the job of the Justice Department. He may have private attorney's also, but I want to see proof that he has “spent millions to keep his records private”. You are aware that he must have attorney's show up in court every time another of these foolish lawsuits is filed aren't you? You can't just ignore them! And Oily Taters doesn't get an answer she likes in one court she runs off and files the same stupid stuff in another court. She is single handedly costing the taxpayers money hand over fist because we, the people pay for the court system. All because she doesn't like the answer.

And then you have the fact that he did bring forth a legal document that was provided to him by the State of Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth. But that's not good enough for you fools. It's good enough for the passport office, it's good enough for Social Security, it's good enough for everyone else, but not for you fools. And someone keeps this claim alive that he is spending millions. The record we are entitled to see is his birth certificate . Other records are private and no where does it say that he must provide the public with more than that. Again, he gave his birth certificate- but some of you don't want to except that. Even though the Dept. of Health in Hawaii and even the governor of Hawaii have repeatedly said he was born there. He is a citizen. HE IS ENTITLED TO BE PRESIDENT AND WAS ELECTED TO THE OFFICE. PERIOD END OF STORY.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

What a load of crap. You truly are a mouth breathing idiot.

Take your “evidence” to court. Dumbass.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

“The grandmother FIRST clearly states, that he was born in Kenya and she was there AT the birth, did you forget that?”

Bullshit. Debunked ad nauseam. Idiot.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

” . . . then you are an inbecile!”

Nice irony. Go get someone to explain what that means, little dipstick.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

So now you’re going with the Rubber v. Glue argument? What a birfoon.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

I choose to believe the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the DOH over a mouth breathing, paranoid, anonymous idiot on the intarwebs.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Okay, Monday morning, wonder if the batshit will hit the fan today? Lets think about what possible charges Judge Carter will slap Orly with. Barratry, contempt of court, making false accusations, multiple ethics violations including accusing all the Supreme Court Justices, all the members of the House and the Senate, the Attorney General and the POTUS of treason. Then there is incitement and openly calling for the violent overthrow of the entire US government, slander, making threats of legal action against anyone that opposes her, and practicing law outside her jurisdiction, just to name a few.

She’ll probably be hit with all of the above, and then some!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

It does not change the fact that Obama is not a natural born citizen. He was dual citizen at birth.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

It does not change the fact that SCOTUS disagrees with you. And since SCOTUS is the ultimate final authority on our laws and constitution and you’re just a peon, we’ll go with SCOTUS.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Unfortunately, courts keep punting the ball.
We need to keep the public informed about about the eligibility issue. The usurper-in-chief will become problem for Dems in 2010 and 2012 elections.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

We couldn't be so lucky! I would settle for a gag, and I don't mean an order. Anything to keep from having to hear the most irritating voice ever! I wish someone would do an investigation of the so-called “school” she supposedly earned her law degree from. It must be scamming people if they gave her a degree!

It is also seditious to urge people to take up arms against the duly elected government. And she is urging military members to turn on their government, to have a military coup! Perhaps in her excitement that someone with a microphone is in front of her face, she forgets that what you say will not just be heard by “friendly” ears and it remains on record. It might start out on You Tube but someone copies it from there and even if You Tube takes it down- it's still out there! The very real evidence remains! Much better than the manufactured “evidence” she keeps trying to introduce in the courts.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Yeah, I'm watching this sedition development closely and am also pestering my congress-peeps about it; these loons are a virus/powderkeg. I think some of 'em lounging around oh so leisurely in mom's basement ranting about overthrowing the gov't in between twinkies could get a wake-up call in the form of a knock at the door…I'm all for it myself; I've had about enough of this escalating rage-loop.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

And yet, you're still a flaming idiot with more spare time than common sense.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

I categorically reject the judgement of someone who advocates sedition and treason, when it comes to the subject of US national security.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Described registration number assignment is just your opinion on how the process worked.
You have no document describing it. Until it is posted – we can only speculate and either speculation is a valid one.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

I think I agree with just about everything Joking says here, and I too take exception to the usage of the Marines' motto—EXTREMELY in- appropriate coming from such antiAmerican seditionists.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

The question is not whether Obama is a citizen, is he a “natural born citizen” as required by the constitution?
Instead of ridiculing people who question his eligibility – show them documents pointing out that Obama is indeed eligible.

1. Prove that he was born in the USA. Where is the long form birth certificate which would show his birth in the Kapiolani hospital on August 4, 1961? Why is DoH hiding index records for August 8,1961 (date indicated on COLB document). Index records are public, yet DoH is ignoring Hawaii laws, and continues to obstruct the public access to index data.

2. A dual-citizen at birth is not a natural born citizen. Where does it say that a dual-citizen at birth is eligible to be POTUS?


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

1) He has proven it with the Hawaii BC and Hawaii officials saying he was born there. More than any past President has ever done.

2) We don't care about other country's laws, only our own. And they state that if you were born in the USA, you are a NBC. If you want me to show you the same SCOTUS opinions again, I can…but you've proven to be too stupid to understand them.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

You could shut her up with a simple document: Long form birth certificate that would confirm Kapiolani Hospital as place of birth on Aug. 4 1961.

Now lets see you dance around this issue!


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

Nope, just claim it's a fake like the COLB. That's all you folks have ever had, when presented with evidence, you call it fake. When asked for proof, you make up stuff to fit your needs. That's why you'll never get anywhere in court, they demand proof. While we'll continue to laugh at your childish attempt at logical thinking. Oh, before I forget…”NC you ignorant slut!”


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

1. You wouldn't invade Orly's privacy – would you? Invasin of privacy is a thin vail used by Obama to hide behind.
Do you have any proof that her law school is scamming people, or is it just a speculation?

2. How could you prosecute Orly for asking Obama to prove his eligiblity? We still have freedom to speak in this country.

3. If Obama is not eligible – we already have a civilian coup on our hands.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Let's see: you are allowed to speculate about those questioning Obama's eligiblity and how they may behave in the future, yet we do not have the right to assume that COLB document is fake one – since no other document is there to corroborate it.
If the courts continue to punt the ball – we need to educate the public about the eligiblity issue – the truth will come out one way or another.

The music is on, Baghdad Jim.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

“NC you ignorant slut”…the COLB was corroborated by the State of Hawaii, the recorder of the birth and the only legal entity that can authenticate it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean a thing. You are way too unimportant for anybody but a few delusional blowers to worry about. The eligibility issue has been answered. When you're going to come out of your basement and see the light is still questionable.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

Pester you congress-peeps to ask for Obama's long form birth certificate. That would shut the “birthers” up!
I wish that all problems related to US government were this simple to resolve.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

===“we need to educate the public about the eligiblity issue “===

You are doing a wonderfull job there. The public, quite rightly, thinks you are a bunch of crazy nuts.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

I told you many times before, the Hawaii DoH is hiding public data (index records), which could corroborate COLB.
You have not answered that one yet!

You have not answered the qustion on why AG Bennet's legal advice, used by Dr. Fukiino to proclaim Obama a “natural-born American citizen”, is still hidden from public.
According to Hawaii law it should have been filed within three days of issuing with state archive and made available to public when requested.
It was denied to the public.
Anybody with a grain of intelligence would conclude that something fishy is going on if PUBLIC documents, which could shed light on Obama's eligiblity, are hidden from us.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Legally all the best thatthey could ever hope for would be a copy of the COLB.

Too bad, So sad.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

“NC you ignorant slut”, except for one major detail. Officials in Hawaii have already corroborated that Obama was born there. Nothing else matters. If Hawaii says he was born there, he is a NBC legally entitled to be POTUS. You, on the other hand, are just on a fishing expedition. You have no proof of wrongdoing, nor proof of anything illegal, and you demand that someone you accuse proves you wrong. That's not how it works in this country, NC, so keep grasping at straws, and look desperate in the attempt.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Could you answer my question on why is Hawaii DoH hiding PUBLIC documents (index records) from those submitting UIPA requests for it?
The index data for August 8, 1961 is hidden from public, why?
This data is listed on Obama's COLB?
Index data would tell us what vital event took place on that date.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Isn't Bennet a Republican? Why would he support Obama?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

DoH Index data are public records too.
AG Bennet's legal advice to Dr.Fukino is a public record too.
Yet both are hidden from those asking for it under the UIPA law.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:02 am

Obama could prove that Orly has submitted a fake birth certificate to the court by releasing the long form of his birth certificate. If that one confirms the Kapiolani hospital as his place of birth – this would prove that birth certificate showing the Kenya as his birthplace is fake. Then court could go after Lucas Smith for providing false affidavit.
Smith was the only one willing to submit a document to the court under the penalty of perjury.
Nobody else, claiming thet Obama was born in Hawaii, has done anything similar.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Are you sure, I thought they were covered by the ASABD laws of this country. I may be wrong, but you might want to check.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

I have no idea, nor do I care. There is too much speculation about this whole issue.
It does not matter what the party affiliations of state officials are. There is a law regarding public documents being available upon request.

The long form birth certificate would eliminate a lot of the speculation talk.
Maybe that is the reason why it is not relaesed – to keep the smoke screen hiding the dual citizen at birth issue.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:08 am

“NC you ignorant slut!” Obama has proven he was born in Hawaii to the satisfaction of Congress, the electoral college, SCOTUS, and a majority of the american people. You want him out, prove he wasn’t. It’s not up to him to prove your falsehood, it’s up to you to prove your falsehood is true…you incredibly stupid person (from Monty Python and the Holy Grail). So, back in your basement till the next time Haley’s Comet comes by.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

From the UIPA manual: “OIP has further recognized that an individual has a significant privacy interest in his or her home contact information, date of birth, and ethnicity.”

http://www.state.hi.us/oip/UIPA%20Manual%205aug…


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

“NC you ignorant slut”…there is no hiding of his citizenship at birth. He even WROTE about it in his books. It doesn't matter, for the 100th time that I've told you, we don't care about other country's laws, only ours. And, according to SCOTUS Obama is a NBC…whether you like it or not!


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Yawn. No one cares about your concerns.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Check the UIPA laws in Hawaii. They even have an office in Hawaii whose staff's role is to help public in obtaining government records covered by the UIPA statute.
Leo Donofrio has very good coverage of the whole issue.
Before you start throwing mud at him, there is an explanation on his blog why Orly's suit has no chance of going forward.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

===“AG Bennet's legal advice to Dr.Fukino is a public record too.”===

—-“For example, an agency’s communication with its attorney to seek legal advice is generally protected from disclosure in a litigation context by the attorney-client privilege.”


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

“NC you ignorant slut” Nothing further, just wanted to re-iterate my feelings on your latest BS crusade. But, what if it does show that Obama's records were received on the 8th? Are you then going to stop your crusade and say “Obama was born in Hawaii and is our legal President”? You know that's BS, you'd just go searching for another inane thing to get your shorts binding up your crack.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Could you find a statement that excludes DoH index data from being available to public?

Second, was there cited an example about a person publicly disclosing an information and then later on tried to use the privacy protection to prevent release of a document to public. What does the UIPA law say about such case?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

I would agree that he was born in Hawaii only if the DoH data showed that registration was done based on data from Kapiolani hospital. It is that simple.
If the index data does not say it – there is still possibility that his birth was registered based on relative's affidavit – which is not a proof of Hawaiian birth and would be in contradiction to the claim of being born in Kapiolani.

Whether he is eligible as a dual citizen at birth, is another issue that courts have to decide.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

My guess is that he'll mention the burden of proof in his order, and that he'll kindly “remind” her about the consequences of filing frivolous lawsuits when she has no evidence of any kind to support any of her claims.

Of course, she'll go file yet another frivolous lawsuit somewhere else, then feign surprise when THAT judge clowns her for not having any evidence. At some point you'd think that she would realize that the burden of proof isn't going to go anywhere, and that it exists even if she doesn't have enough evidence to survive a motion to dismiss.

Then again, this is Orly we're talking about…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Obviously you did since you bothered to post responses, trying to refute my arguments for public disclosure of Obama's long form birth certificate and corroborating documents.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

“NC you ignorant slut”

1) So you think you're something special and the Government of Hawaii has to satisfy your personal agenda that has no basis in the law. You aren't god, you don't get that say.

2) Courts have decided on the dual citizenship question. It has a long-established precedence. You just continue to show that you don't care about laws or the constitution even when you're shown direct SCOTUS cases that spell it out for you.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:39 am

Why are you so agitated?
It is not good for your health. Could it be that in the back of your mind you are not 100% sure that Obama is telling the truth? He has lied to the US public since elections on many occasions.

Posting an image on the web is not a proof.
Why is it so difficult for Obama to submit the long form birth certificate to the court? Anybody born in the USA can do it in no time.
It seems to me that somebody is affraid of confronting “birthers” with evidence.

Dance Baghdad Jim, dance,…


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Given that registration forms were preprinted, pre-numbered documents distributed in bulk to the hospitals, the fact that the registration number of the Nordyke twins was only a few numbers off from Obama's COLB number is proof that his birth record came from the same location.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

For every state offical that claimed Obama's Hawaiian birth – I will find 3 higher ranking officials who claimed that Iraq had WMDs.
We cannot blindly trust words coming from a politician's mouth – particularly in case when it would be so simple to prove whether they told the truth or not.
There is no need to go to war with another country to verify claims of those claiming Obama was born in Hawaii.
Just show the long form birth certificate.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

“NC you ignorant slut”… For every Hawaii official who claims Obama was born there, we have NC trying desperately to come up with an argument…no matter how stupid! Why, because he has absolutely no proof that Obama wasn't born there. And, all he has left is really badly thought out points to make. So, to answer you last sentence, no.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

Aren't you just speculating here – the “offense” forbidden to those of us questioninig the Hawaiian birth?

Why is Obama's registration number higher than the one for Nordykle twins? If they are born in the same hospital, Obama was born a day earlier – I would expect that his registration number would be lower.
Unfortunately neither hospital nor DoH would answer a simple question on how those numbers were assigned.
Even better, hospital could open its archive and show the page where Obama's birth was hand written in the log book.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Dance Baghdad Jim, dance!
Your troops are crushing the infidels.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Does that mean you're finally going to come out of your basement NC and see the beautiful sunshine of our constitution and laws, or is it because you realize you ain't got sh*t?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

===“For every state offical that claimed Obama's Hawaiian birth – I will find 3 higher ranking officials who claimed that Iraq had WMDs”===

Lame argument


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Lawyers not hiding behind onluine aliases have provided a different opinion:
Dual citizen at birth – not a natural born citizen.
Why should I as a lay person trust your opinion vs those who put their reputation for public scrutiny?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

But a truthful one.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

A Natural Born Citizen is not governed by any other country's law. Such person cannot be claimed by any other country. It also does not have a divided loyalty at birth.
There is only one definition of a NBC that makes sense when it comes to national security – a child born in the USA of citizen parentS.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

“Why is Obama's registration number higher than the one for Nordykle twins? If they are born in the same hospital, Obama was born a day earlier – I would expect that his registration number would be lower. “

The registration number is not reflective on when the birth occured, but when the nurse started filling out the paperwork. (i.e. when the mother was admitted to the Hospital).

This is trivial and unimportant compared to the fact that the forms were prenumbered. The Obama registration form HAD to have come from that hosptial.

There is no way for you to weasel away from that conclusion.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

You're right. It's amazing the effort they put into hiding and smearing.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

In fact, the birfers haven't been able to offer ANY proof of anything they claim. Instead, they try to pretend that the burden of proof is on the defendant and not the plaintiff. Since no court in the country would ever buy such a ludicrous claim, the birfers get laughed out of courtrooms almost as fast as they set foot in them.

That “long form” that makes birfers foam at the mouth with rage has no legal validity whatsoever.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

In fact, the birfers haven't been able to offer ANY proof of anything they claim. Instead, they try to pretend that the burden of proof is on the defendant and not the plaintiff. Since no court in the country would ever buy such a ludicrous claim, the birfers get laughed out of courtrooms almost as fast as they set foot in them.

That “long form” that makes birfers foam at the mouth with rage has no legal validity whatsoever.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

“NC you ignorant slut”…Why should I as a lay person trust your opinion vs the SCOTUS? I won't and neither will congress, SCOTUS, or the american people. I think that trumps you pretty well.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

Proscecution would come from her telling people to practice sedition. And possibly from filing fraudulent court documents. Too bad it can't just be for stupidity- she could be sent away for life!

As to the law school- what I said is someone should investigate them to make sure they aren't scamming. If she was able to get a law degree I question how good of a law school they are and if they are passing out degrees like several of those that tell you easy it is to get a degree or diploma that are phony.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

The above smear comment is paid for by the Orly Taitz paid propaganda team.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

The above smear comment is paid for by the Orly Taitz paid propaganda team.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

The above smear comment is paid for by the Orly Taitz paid propaganda team.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

The above accusatory comment is paid for by the Orly Taitz paid propaganda team.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

The above poster is exactly what his icon says he is.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

You are here to dance for our entertainment, Birfer, not the other way around


chrisjay
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Oh, my congress-peeps have undoubtedly heard from the trailerpark's worth of Birfers in my state; Like all sane people, however they tune out the white noise of disgruntled & disturbed malcontents in order to TCB. While we're on the subject of how a democracy operates, they know that, short of lithium, there is no solving of “problems” for the chronic moon-howlers. Elections come & go despite your ilk.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

Not only does Cap'n's icon advertise his stock in trade— it also depicts POTUS in white-face, which reveals the Cap'n's REAL demand of Obama: “Stop being black!!!”


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

What if Judge Carter goes along withe her evidence and decides to order discovery? Tomorrow October XIII is a magical day for Templars around the world. Don't be surprised if Dr. Judge Carter is a Tamplar. He has travelled you know…


RedGraham
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

Foriegn-born Dr. Taitz is holding her own against the most powerful man in the world. Sounds like she's pretty competent to me. I mean hey the guy won a Nobel prize so he can pay his lawyers or donate to ACORN who was responsible for voter-fraud like in Iran, Afghanistan, Cuba, etc. where other “duly elected” presidents rule.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Mail-order lawyer Orly Taitz has proven herself an inept, incompetent representative to her clients. Her latest case has been tossed and called “frivolous” by the Judge, so frivolous that when she refiled the same basic BS, he charged he with $10,000 contempt charge. Her client fired her, and now she's headed for another beatdown in Cali.


Jim
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

Yep, looking forward to seeing you fall apart, again. BS doesn't translate well in court.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

And by the way- he has already proven he is eligible. The birth certificate that was photographed at Factcheck is what you get now when you request your birth certificate. It is duly stamped and sworn.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 12:21 am

And if you, sir, believe that than you are truly certifiably insane.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:26 am

OLDRACISTMAN666


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:28 am

Out of the closet: OLDRACISTMAN666


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:46 am

Your quote is out of context. It protects communication in a case of an actual lawsuit against the agency.

Try this link, it describes responsibility of Attorney General to provide legal advice:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol01_Ch0001-0042F/HRS0028/HRS_0028-0003.htm


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Spoken like a true believer.
Factcheck.org has been proven wrong about Obama citizenship status – they posted a comment admitting it and had to change a statement on their web site. It shows that their level of verifying the document did not go beyond scratching the surface.
Did they compare the data in COLB with the DoH registrar index?
Did they compare it against the Kapiolani hospital logs?
Did factcheck.org examine the difference between the status phrase “Filed by..” versus “Accepted by…”?
Who (name of the person) examined the physical copy of COLB?
Did anyone from factchek.org raise their hand and swore that data presented in COLB is correct? It is easy to hind behind an anonimous post on the web and claim that COLB proves Obama's birthplace. There is no consequence if they are lying to the public.
Do you homework and come back to talk to adults.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 12:56 am

For that to happen, Orly would actually have to have some evidence first. Since she doesn't have any (and has never had any), you probably shouldn't stay up late for this one.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:57 am

Your fellow-Birfer Captainndelusion just today reiterated his belief that the birth announcements in the paper were fake; This is patently batshit crazy: Natural, you do a lot of pontificating about being the adult in the room, so where do you stand on FAKE newspaper announcements?


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Well, if by “holding her own” you mean “being laughed out of every court in the country faster than you can say 'lack of standing'” then yes…Orly IS holding her own, and quite nicely I might add.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:00 am

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:00 am

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:02 am

Evidence? What evidence? She has nothing but hearsay, forgeries and ludicrous speculation. Just how far has that gotten her so far? Don’t hold your breath! On second thought, maybe you should!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Was it the same judge who initially admitted a fake fax into the court documents? This was the fax that blasted Orly for being manipulative and acting against her client's wishes. It was removed later on, with much less publicity than his original ruling.

Was it the same judge who initially quoted “factcheck.org” and later on said that this did not influence his decision?

Could I quote the good judge Land next time when I need to submit any documents for government verification – no need to present any physical document, image posted on a web page is sufficient enough!?

Are we talking about the same judge?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:21 am

She has enough evidence – the unknown variable is the standing issue.
According to Donofrio's analysis – Orly's case will be dismissed based on the “standing” issue.
I wish he was wrong about it and judge Carter orders a discovery.

There would be no need to even proceed to the actual trial. If the discovery phase shows that Obama's birthplace is not Hawaii – just that fact would be sufficient. There is no way that Dems would allow Obama to continue occupying the White House. It would cause them to lose elections in 2010 and 2012 big time.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:02 am

Wrong again. Orly's never had enough evidence; that's what “no substantial likelihood of success on the merits” means, and if standing weren't an issue it would be the reason that she's been laughed out of every courtroom that she's set foot into. If Orly had gone to a real law school instead of getting her law degree by collecting box tops from boxes of cereal, she would know that.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:06 am

This thing is like that damn idiot bunny! 433 comments
For all you new folks;
Barack Hussein Obama Sr., Little )o(s daddy was never an American Citizen,
and a Kenyan while Kenya was still a British colony, making him a Brit.
That and the British Nationality Act of 1948
Caused little )o( to be born a British Citizen at birth.
Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. of our great Constitution requires every President today to be a Natural Born American Citizen.
Natural Born = Born of Blood & Soil.
That is the blood of both parents, American Citizens at the time of ones birth and that birth on American Soil.
Read John Jay's letter to George Washington dealing with Natural Born.
Now if your daddy is a foreigner & you are born with allegiance to a foreign country as Obama Jr. was you are ineligible to hold the office of POTUS.
Now you will notice a swarm of paid Obots again fly out of the sewer and attack these truths. That's just what they are paid to do. They have started a Communist coup and hate to see if fail as more and more true Americans discover the truth that their Ebony Idol has feet of mushy clay. But they are fun to watch. So set back and see how they rant and wait until Judge David Carter orders Discovery in Ms Taitz's case and they will all break down and drink the bitter Kool Aid and go to a far better place for their ignorant Communist ways.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:16 am

There is no need for a conspiracy theory here.
Long time ago in 1961 rules for registering births in Hawaii was quite relaxed. One could register a birth simply by providing an affidavit.
Grandparents (their address was published in the newspaper announcement) submit an affidavit, the information about “Hawaiian” birth is then sent from the DoH to the newspapers – and presto: newspaper announcement. The COLB and newspaper announcements could have originated from the same document (an affidavit about Obama’s Hawaiian birth).

We do not need to speculate about it. The long form birth certificate indicating birth in the Kapiolani hospital would have resolved the birthplace issue.
What other “evidence” do you have to support Hawaiian birth?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:17 am

Jim pull your head out, it's dark and smelly in there. SCOTUS has NEVER reviewed the NBC issue. You pull these lies out of the same place your head is now located. Wash your hair!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:21 am

I guess you have not read about Botox Pelosi rigging the DNC papers that left out the NBC statement because she new it would be her a$$ if someone found out she knew the )o( was not a NBC from day 1.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:49 am

“Paid Obots”? And where do you find those? You sound like a paid Orly supporter yourself…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:07 am

That would be a hoot, the ancient ones involved in kicking a Communist usurper out of the White House and saving America from it's underclass! There would be a book out of that. 13 is a lucky number except for Friday 13th 1307. This could make up for that day.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:11 am

-see if I can get this where it belongs this time—–
That would be a hoot, the ancient ones involved in kicking a Communist usurper out of the White House and saving America from it's underclass! There would be a book out of that. 13 is a lucky number except for Friday 13th 1307. This could make up for that day.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:13 am

That is your opinion.
Unless there is a discovery we will not know the real answer to that question.
She is out there enduring the public scrutiny. It is easy to criticize while hiding behind an alias on the Internet. Are you a lawyer who attended a “real” law school.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Steve X a lawyer? He's not even a good Obot. Never any facts just childish BS. Hang in there citizen we might get a response from Carter today. Keep up the fight for continued freedom. We will overcome this Communist coup.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:03 am

“…Eleven American citizens, some of them with dual nationality, were among the 13 Nobel winners, including President Barack Obama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday…”

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/WireStory?id=880…

It is interesting that they mentioned dual nationality and Obama in the same sentence!?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:19 am

Have you read the documents she has submitted to court? Have you seriously listened to her “argue” her case? Anyone who paid her to represent them was like someone representing themselves- they had a fool for a lawyer. Why do you think her cases get thrown out? She has succeeded in costing her clients thousands, has been sanctioned herself and has been the recipient of one of the greatest smackdowns by a judge I have ever had the pleasure to read. Every court has sent her packing.

As far as yoiur allegations about vvoter fraud, there is no evidence whatsoever of any voter fraud in the U.S. There were a few who tried to turn in phony registrations so they could make more money for signing up new voters, but those were caught before election day ever rolled around. Our requirements to be able to vote do not allow for voter fraud to take place. Other countries do experience actual voter fraud of all kinds but we can only do so much to stop it short of taking over their entire system, which is not something we need to be doing.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Oldmagicman, you are done here. You momentarily dropped the charade and exposed your true racist self with the “blackcheck” remark. That means you are of no further help to the Birfers at this site who desperately need to maintain the fiction that Birtherism isn't actually racism.
You will be needing a new alias now. Of course, that'll only buy you so much time before your true colors once again fly forth, regardless of your new monicker.
You are now exposed as OLDRACISTMAN666—-Isn't it kinda liberating to be out of the closet?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:24 am

OLDRACISTMAN666


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:25 am

OLDRACISTMAN666


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Unless you think I'm every other judge that's dismissed Orly's case for that reason (or because her lawsuits are frivolous), then you're right. It is “just my opinion.” It's also my opinion that those fake kenyan birf sertifikats won't even be admissible because they can't be authenticated. It's also “my opinion” that Orly doesn't know her ass from a hole in the wall, but that's also the opinion of every other non-birfer out there.

And since you know about as much law as Orly does, I'll let you in on a little secret: the “no likelihood of success on the merits” issue ALWAYS comes before discovery; that's the entire point. Why should the court waste it's time on a trial that the plaintiff has no hope of winning? After all, the only reason that Orly wants discovery is because the “evidence” that she has is bullshit and she knows it. At this point, her entire case depends on documents that she thinks will uncover Obama's serkrit kenyan birf, none of which she currently has in her possession. Finally, even if she does happen to find some key piece of evidence that she didn't buy from a vendor on eBay, that doesn't mean it would be admissible at trial; ever heard of a “Motion to Suppress?” Those exist for a reason.

Those two kenyan birf sertifikats can't even be authenticated, and since that's the best that she's got she's screwed. As a lawyer (one that went to an accredited law school) once told me, “If you don't know the Rules of Evidence, opposing counsel will be glad to teach them to you.” Right now, Orly's learning all of the things that she should have learned in her correspondence course, but she's learning the hard way: by being laughed out of every court that she sets foot into.

And she's out there enduring public scrutiny by choice. She WANTS the attention, otherwise she wouldn't be begging for donations, flying across the country, and blogging her progress for the world to ridicule. Most of the attention is negative because she's a shitty lawyer, plain and simple.

As to whether I'm a lawyer, it doesn't really matter. But from reading Orly's briefs and pleadings and watching her behavior and dealings with clients, I can tell that I know a hell of a lot more about Evidence, Civil Procedure, Constitutional Law, and Professional Responsibility than she ever will.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:07 am

“It is interesting that they mentioned dual nationality and Obama in the same sentence!?”

In an article about Nobel Prize winners, of which the president is one? No, not really.

You are REALLY grasping at straws with that one…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:39 am

You can read it either way. Sloppy writing at best.
Why is there a need to even mention the dual nationality? The sentence would make a perfect sense without it.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:03 am

I am not interested in “lawyering”. What is the truth about Obama's birthplace?
People are sent to war on Obama's orders.
Will a widow of a fallen soldier have standing, or his parents?
The court system is corrupt – on such an important issue everybody is dragging their feet and keep “punting the ball”. First eligibility lawsuit was raised several months before the election. There was enough time to verify that candidates are eligible. Yet our “great” lawyers are more interested in making sure that their candidate wins no matter what the truth is.

If there was nothing to hide in Kenya – why did their government kicked out WND's investigator? Why did Obama (as a US Senator) campaigned for Raila Odinga in 2006? The same Odinga who made sure that no access to Kenyan records is available.
I am not aware of any other US Senator meddling into domestic political campaign in a foreign country.

Finally, the long form birth certificate can be produced by anybody born in the USA. There is no privacy protection argument to be made here. The public's right to know that a presidential candidate is indeed eligible outweighs any right to privacy – particularly in case when the information has already been disclosed by the same candidate.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

“NC you ignorant slut!” You mean the fax that was shown to be real after the blower asked for the correct day? You mean the same Judge who saw all the evidence that Orly had to offer and called it “frivolous”? You mean the same Judge who had to explain to Orly the requirement that she had to prove her case? The same Judge who listened to Orly's arguments and called them “Alice in Wonderland”? The same Judge who know a heck of a lot more about our constitution and laws than NC? Yeah, I'll go with that Judge over Naturallyadick any day of the week.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

Another pointless rant with no relevant evidence or any legal authority of any kind.

*yawn*

Then again, you ARE a birfer…why should we expect you to know any better?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

Continued from a thread squeezed out to the right and on page 2. . .

Naturalizedcitizen: “Described registration number assignment is just your opinion on how the process worked. You have no document describing it. Until it is posted – we can only speculate and either speculation is a valid one.”

Sorry, NC. But you are failing to consider the technology in use at the time. Xerox machines were in their infancy and very expensive. Only a few thousands had been sold by the end of 1961. If you wanted to produce multiple copies of a form you used preprinted, multipage forms with sheets of carbon paper between them. Printing these forms required several different printing processes. In the first step, the general form was printed, each page exactly alike. In the second step, consecutive serial numbers were printed on each set of forms by a special machine that automatically incremented after each set was marked.

If you examine the images of the Nordyke twin’s BCs, you will see that these numbers were much larger than the typewriter font and can only have been pre-printed onto the forms.

Sets of the preprinted forms were then distributed in bulk to the end user so that one hospital might receive the printed forms with serial numbers from 100001 to 101000. The next Hospital would receive 101001 to 102000. A doctor’s office might then receive 102001 to 102100, and the registrar’s office might have 200000 to 200200 at the walk up desk.

Thus. it would have been virtually impossible for two babies born within a day of each other to receive file numbers a few numbers apart.

As for how the forms were pulled from the stack and assigned to each baby, you have to remember that the original medical chart starts with the mother. As each mother is admitted, all the appropriate forms are assembled into a file. Each form is completed to the extent possible at that time and updated as the appropriate medical conditions change. This is what they call in a Hospital, the patients “chart.” This term and process is still used today, although the digital age has eliminated the need for the nurse or unit secretary to manually type the information onto the various forms one by one.

Therefore, the fact that the Omama and the Nordyke twins numbers are slightly out of sequence is trivial. The order that the forms were pulled from the stack and filed out could have been dependant on a number of factors such as when the mothers were admitted, the time of day that they were admitted (there tends to be more staff available during the day shifts), the patient census at the time they were admitted, the efficiency of the nurses and secretary in the various shifts, etc. etc. etc.

The key factor is that the numbers are only a few digits off. There is no way you can get away from that. The only way for this to have happened is for both of the mothers to have been at the same hospital at the same time.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

“If there was nothing to hide in Kenya – why did their government kicked out WND's investigator?”
- – –
Because he broke the law by conducting business on a tourist visa.

We do the same thing to foreigners that come to our country and lie to us about why they are here.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

You may be right, however this is the only document that was signed under the penalty of perjury.
No such thing on Obama’s side. Nobody is willing to put such strong words claiming that COLB is indeed a valid document priving Hawaiian birth.
How do we know that Fukino is telling the truth? She has not signed any documents stating such thing.

There should be a discovery to verify who is telling the truth.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

You may be right, however this is the only document that was signed under the penalty of perjury.
No such thing on Obama’s side. Nobody is willing to put such strong words claiming that COLB is indeed a valid document priving Hawaiian birth.
How do we know that Fukino is telling the truth? She has not signed any documents stating such thing.

There should be a discovery to verify who is telling the truth.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

No discovery needed, Hawaii is telling the truth. Can’t help if you don’t believe it. If you really want discovery, you’re going to have to find a whole lot more than your worthless opinion…courts won’t accept it.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

No discovery needed, Hawaii is telling the truth. Can’t help if you don’t believe it. If you really want discovery, you’re going to have to find a whole lot more than your worthless opinion…courts won’t accept it.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

rumor has it, Judge land just fined Orly $20,000.

Can anyone get the opinion and post it somewhere besides scribd?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

Are you suggesting that a reporter would be given a business visa and allowed to investigate the issue if applied with Kenyan government?


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

I can tell you're not interested in “lawyering” because neither you nor Orly have any idea what the hell you're talking about. You show your ignorance every time you post, and she shows her ignorance every time she steps into a court room.

You don't even try to present a logical argument; the only thing you do is spout off cliched, debunked WND talking points.

Who gives a damn about Raul Odinga? Who gives a damn if Kenya kicked out WND's shitty reporters? Kenya is a sovereign nation, and it has the right to kick out whoever it wants to. None of that speculation is even close to evidence, and it won't do anything to help Orly meet her burden of proof. The only thing is does is make her and the birfers look even more stupid because not only are they unable to prove what they've already alleged, they keep shoehorning more nonsense into an already-implausible conspiracy.

But the best part of your post is this:
“The public's right to know that a presidential candidate is indeed eligible outweighs any right to privacy – particularly in case when the information has already been disclosed by the same candidate.”

I guess you don't realize that you just answered your own question, and that the state of Hawaii, by issuing Obama a COLB, has verified that answer. Under FREv 902(1), that COLB is s good as gold as any court in the country. It is substantive evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii. If that document says that Obama was born in Hawaii, then Obama was born in Hawaii until the birfers can prove otherwise (which they can't do because they don't have any evidence). Got a problem with that? Then write your Congressman and tell him to amend the FREv. Otherwise, you're forced to live with the fact that even if Orly wasn't an incompetent ass clown she still wouldn't win because she has no evidence to back up any of her claims.

You may go your entire life and NEVER find out what hospital he was born in…and you're just going to have to deal with that, because there is no law that gives you the “right” to know what hospital a president was born in. More importantly, even if he wasn't born in a hospital it wouldn't affect his citizenship status; that theory is just another piece of desperate nonsensical birfer stupidity.

Birfers haven't won a case yet, and they never will. Deal with it, and stop asking people stupid, irrelevant questions.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

I read that the fax was excluded from court documents. Why would they do that if it was a real one?

Thank you for confirming that judge suffers from same emotional outbursts as attributed to Orly.

I will have more respect for him when he puts his courtroom in order and fire the person who accepted a fake document used by the good judge to form his negative opinion about Orly.

You have conveniently chosen not to comment on judge's use of “factcheck.org” image of COLB in his opinion. I think that a good judge is a partisan hack he could have rendered the same decision as he did without emotional outbursts and without quoting documents that his court has not examined for validity.

Let those facts speak for the quality of good judge. Based on those two facts alone – he should be thrown from this case – which might be something he is trying to accomplish to get the “hot potato” case off his hands.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Nope, he's just going to treat your pal Orly like she should be treated…doubled the sanctions to $20,000! Hey, NC, she's looking for a loan. Maybe you should hop over to her site and donate…careful for viruses though!


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Judge land just fined Orly $20,000.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

I think that the State Bar of California is going to have to issue a public repramand soon, if not start disbarment proceedings.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

The only thing I'm prejudice about is stupidity. I hate idiots in all colors, sexes and national origins.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

Raila Odinga is a prime minister of Kenya.
He came to power after losing elections, then encouraging hie supporters to riot – hundreds of Christians were murdered by his thugs. The same Raila Odinga who promised to establish Sharia laws in Kenya.

COLB posted on factcheck.org has ZERO weight in any courtroom. Let Obama take the physical copy to the court and we will see if it is accepted.
Guess what – he is afraid to do so. It is much easier to post a copy of a document on the web and pretend that it contains information confirming Hawaiian birth.

Thank you for proving the point that you are only interested in “lawyering”. Where are we going to put a plaque commemorating the birthplace of a US President: Queens hospital, Kapiolani or somewhere else?

Obama just ordered 13,000 additional troops to go to Afghanistan. Will widows of those who die have the right to know about Obama's birth hospital?
The coward-in-chief can sign documents sending troops to war – and refuses to prove in the court of law that he is indeed eligible for the office. Hiding behind the lawyers far away from his troops.

It would be so much easier to defend Obama's behavior if he would just show the long form birth certificate, would it not?
How sweet would it be to shut the pesky “birthers” up?

Your last post officially qualifies you as a “Dancing Queen Steve” – you are slightly ahead of Baghdad Jim in dancing around the eligibility issue.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

If she was not perceived as a threat to Obama, there would be no need to hack her web site multiple times.
You could defeat her in the courtroom – she is a lousy lawyer – isn't she?

What did good judge do to restore his courtroom's reputation. Did he fire the person accepting fake documents? No fines?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

Wishful thinking…


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

You are indeed foolish. The court is not going to ask the president to bring his birth certificate to court because they know that Hawaii has already verified that the president was born there on the date specified. Your Oily Taters doesn't know her behind from a hole in the ground. The president does not have to prove in court that he is eligible, he is not bringing the lawsuit. It is up to the plaintiff to prove their case. The “brilliant one” can't do that because she has no proof to the contrary. Period. End of story. Except for more fines against Oily perhaps?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

So what – more “lawyering” and posturing while 13,000 additional troops are being shipped to the war. Coward-in-chief has to rely on partisan hacks like Land to keep the process going without looking into the evidence that would confirm/deny Obama's eligibility.

You did not try to answer my question about judge Land and his courtroom.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

How does the court know? Relying on documents posted on the web?

Coward-in-chief can send troops to war and cannot answer simple question about long form birth certificate!?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

Chris, what part of your anatomy is you head currently inserted? The post above has no “blackcheck” remark.
But if that remark bothers you, are you saying that if someone is black they should not be checked? For checking them for the truth of the facts represented would be racist.
I can now see why you have no desire to see Obama's secrete hidden records of his life. He's black and should be given the unquestioned edge in favor of Affirmative Action.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

I'm reading this now, and it's beautiful. Judge Land completely and thoroughly destroys her and everything she stands for. This is the kind of stuff that will be in casebooks in law schools all across the country as an example to students of what NOT to do once they pass the bar.

I think I may have a tear in my eye…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Simple solution – pull the files on that week and compare all the kids born that week and match numbers with the kids and look for one kid with any of Obama's aliases. You just might find one # with two children attached to it or one # that represented a child at that time in 1961 that had a medical problem and passed away at some time during the past 48 years. This question can not be answered without all the documents in front of you. Why hide simple facts if there is nothing to hide? Smoke and mirrors everywhere.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

What are you talking about NC? You're babbling is getting more and more incoherent. You cannot even get on point with anything. BTW, the good Judge restored his courtroom's reputation by sanctioning Orly for $20,000…and the only fake documents were the ones Orly was trying to get accepted into evidence.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Great Oldlostinclouds, you and Orly have fun trying to find a Judge to go along with your fishing expedition. Maybe by 2050 you'll find one. The only smoke and mirrors are all the crazy theories you like to present…with no proof of course. Sorry, fiction writers need not apply.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

NC Obama is not an American Citizen, he has provided no verifiable prof of any citizenship, anywhere. He is truly a man of the world, no ties and no loyalties. Free ti destroy all equally.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

You have been reading too many trashy paperback spy novels.

Join the real world.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

You are starting to lose your grip on reality.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

So counselor you will be totally shocked when we are allowed discovery when this case is allowed to precede?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

So the court is supposed to rely on a “photocopy” of a document supposedly obtained through bribery of a “government Official” in Kenya?

Obtained by a convicted forger/

Yeah, right.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

The Dragon In My Garage
by Carl Sagan

“A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage”

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

“Show me,” you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle — but no dragon.

“Where's the dragon?” you ask.

“Oh, she's right here,” I reply, waving vaguely. “I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon.”

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

“Good idea,” I say, “but this dragon floats in the air.”

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

“Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless.”

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

“Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick.” And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative — merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of “not proved.”

Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons — to say nothing about invisible ones — you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.

Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages — but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.

Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such “evidence” — no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it — is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

You currently seem fixated on inserting things in rectums.No suprise, you are demonstrably quite bent, as well as racist.
You and Orly are fixated on undermining this great nation's first black president and have been going to great lengths, along with your co-delusionists, to characterise your pogrom as strictly political. It is not and you have confirmed that fact, you twisted old racist.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Well oldracistman, you prove the old adage that even paranoids have enemies


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

We don’t have a “cause”. Birfers have a “cause” Us normal folks are here to be entertained, oldracistman: And-a-one, and-a-two and-a-three…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

Pretty brave words from a loudmouthed couchpotato who doesn’t have to pony up one red cent of Orly’s fine. I’m sure Orly is just as sanguine as you are LOL


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

List me one human that has publicly stated that they have seen any paper document released from the state of Hawaii that verifies BHO's an American Citizen much less a Natural Born American Citizen. Photoshoped postings and vague statements from uninformed Hawaiian officials are not official prof. The true documents & facts have never been seen, not ever by Pelosi or Dick Cheney.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

Yes, you’re gaining alot of ground–must have cut some good eye-holes in that pea-stained sheet on your head: look at you move, oldracistman!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Cool! this $20,000 will get this case into the SCOTUS. We fished he bit we take home the meat. America eats!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

I got a grip, you should look for one. Oh! you know the truth it just doesn't support your cause.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

You are such an idiot, oldmagicloony, this just leaves you worse off than before. If she files an appeal, she'll probably be on the hook for another $20,000 for another frivolous filing. You got no case, as you've been shown time and time again, because you got no proof. So, as always, you got nothing, you get nothing.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

I am unsure if you are deliberately misreading the British Nationality Act or not. The Act allows citizens of former colonies to remain British Subjects if they choose; it also allows their children, regardless of place of birth to elect British citizenship until their 18th birthday. This Act did apply to President Obama, but only as a theoretical, not as a truth. Natural born citizenship is self explanatory, although I see you have taken this truth and expanded the definition beyond recognition to support your views. Since President Obama was born on American soil, and declined the option of allegiance to a foreign country, the letter you cite is without merit. Your ideas, like your Kool Aid, are sugary and insubstantial. You may keep both.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Does anyone else see the irony of Ms. Taitz accusing the judge in this case of being one of the pod people?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

I liked Carl Sagan, but I think this story fits your total disregard for all the hidden records and facts in the life of your messiah. Maybe there is a flesh and blood fire breathing dragon in the garage, it stinks real bad, one side of the garage is on fire, there is dragon excrement knee deep on the floor, You are covered in it but you refuse to admit that it exists. Be careful for when the evil breaths on you, you too will be burned.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

AH! I must be gaining ground, here comes the race card as a last and lowest level of defense.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Let's see! Post it in it's entirety word for word and let us all take a look. You have to read the whole Act!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Well, oldracistman, looks like this 13th turn out to be the Birfers version of the Languedoc masscre, no?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

??? – the $20,000??? – pocket change, CHANGE we can live with!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

Spacecadetracist: the delusion in your prepared text is pretty funny in the context of Orly's SMACKDOWN today!
“… their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants”
LOL
Yeah, Orly has 'em right where she wants 'em
LOL !!!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Yes, take away that Nobel Prize…
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Yeah, oldracistman, you have 'em right where you want 'em. Cool.
LOL !!!!!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

impotent rage, spacytracy!!!


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

“but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures”

Really? Orly swings that way?

No wonder she's trying to get thrown in jail.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

“I got a grip”

We really don't want to hear about your degenerate personal habits.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

The only way your reply makes sense is if you:
have never bothered to read it,
are ignorant of it, and
actively spread misinformation about it.
You tell everyone what this means for our President, and how it relates to this farce of a trial, and you don’t care what it says. You, sir, are the worst kind of ignorant: ensuring that other people are misinformed.

Here is the Act, in its entirety.
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm
The section you want to be upset about is section 6.


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

The mail-order lawyer-bride of Frankenstein bites the bullet.

My Tuesday couldn't have began better, Oily gets spanked and my paid Obama blogger check came in the mail.

Keep up the good work birthers we have finally found a way to recapitalise the economy.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Judge Land is a dishonorable sellout, just like most of Dingle Barry's supporters. Half the country rightfully believes that the truth should be known, and this should be put behind us.

Yet they continue the game of hiding the truth, and ridiculing those who want to know. They are the lowest of low. In them I find the answer to a question I've long asked, “how did Hitler or Manson find mindless cultist followers.” Now I know. I think Barry's scum-bag followers would have been right there.

It's a sad time for goodness in the world, especially America.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Cap'n, yeah it is unfortunate for you blowers that the courts demand things like evidence and standing. It's what makes our country great! And, as we've seen time and time again, the only mindless followers are the blowers following their mail-order attorney into oblivion.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Steverino: “whine . . whine. . . . Judge Land is a dishonorable sellout. . . Whaaa. . .Whaaaa. . . Whaaaa.”

Ohh, what's the matter little poopsie. did the mean old man yell at you again. . .
Come here. Let mommy wipe your nose for you. . .


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Why, you never did. Just the part you thought agreed with you. So, take what you're given the same way.


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Oily is going to have to do a lot of root-canals to pay her fines. I hope she doesn't skimp on anesthetic and i pity the poor patients. They have to look at that BOF face and listen to her drivel while she tortures them.

Maybe Cap'n and Tracy will volunteer for the procedure to help their wise leader pay her debts to society.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

I am sure that Orly is not a constitutional scholar like Obama. A constitutional law professor without a SINGLE published law article.
Not a single one is available anywhere. How did he get this position – Affirmative Action candidate?

In his Illinois State Bar association registration form, Barack Obama lied about not using any other aliases in his life. The man is a proven liar. Did judge Land take this into account when considering the validity of an image posted on “factcheck.org”?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Not really, I wish that at least one judge will have enough balls to order a discovery and let the chips fall where they may.
Judge Land should not have used “factcheck.org” in his ruling. It discredits him as an impartial judge – it makes him look like a partisan hack.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

You can gloat all you want. Lawyering and posturing about standing issue will get more soldiers killed in the war zone.
Will widows and parents of soldiers killed in Afghanistan have standing in US courts?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:39 am

Oldidiotman: what if people don’t want their records pulled? You going to take away their rights also? Is that what you think of citizens of this country, they have no rights because you don’t like the new President? That, my good man, is why we have laws and the constitution, so delusional imbeciles like you don’t trample over others’ rights in order to find out your mind has completely gone gaga.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Well, NC, I wish that just one blower would come up with more than WND lies and Orly propaganda…some evidence with their theories would be a nice change, a first even. But, all we’re left with is you idiots acting as straight men for our put-downs. That you keep taking it shows how little you think of yourself anyway.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Judge Land has laid down the LAW to Orly and her minions. Come into his court, you better have a lot more than useless theories and baseless accusations, better have some evidence to back up your claims. Now, it is time for the blowers to blame Judge Land for following the law and ignoring their delusions…just the way we like it.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Good people take note. Obama's followers DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH. Think about why. Why would they work so hard to end-run the constitution?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Facts? Judge Land don't need no stinkin' facts!


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

NC is reaching again…as always. I guess his opinion is that we should never have gone to Afghanistan and allowed the people who attacked us to continue working on their next plan. Standing has nothing to do with soldiers getting killed and you know it, it is just your way of trying to make your delusional opinion worth more than it actually is. A classic failure, again, by naturalizednutcase.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

nice use of the Ad Misericordiam fallacy (appeal to pity)


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Ad hominem fallacy


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

ditto, moron.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Good people take note: Orly followers DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH. They work so hard at calling other people liars and followers, they have yet to offer any evidence that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. So, unfortunately for them, we follow the constitution and laws of this country…not the made-up ones in their minds.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

Still waiting for that OMG moment, Steve?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

Are you trying to prove my point? thanks.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Unnatural, you are outdoing yourself today; If I understand you correctly, anti-Birfers are getting our soldiers killed and scorning their widows———-
This is truly a nudge up into a newer, squirrelier dimension than the ones we have seen you inhabit heretofore.
Cyberspace is truly not large enough for the grandeur of your delusion…astonishing.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

What is your opinion – will they have standing in US courts?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Hitler=Manson=Obama. Yawn.
C'mon, Cap'n this is your game today?
UnnaturalCitizen is running circles around you with his new-improved j'accuse.
Step it up or get left behind by the newer & nuttier!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

If there is an equivalent of Cindy Sheehan out there – will she have a standing in US courts to find out whether the CIC is a legitimate one?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Or as your co-blogger calls it: “blackcheck.org”
No racism there, naw.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

Nope, but I don't believe Sheehan ever went to court to remove the President, just to be allowed to protest. If you and Orly want to go to Chicago and sit outside Obama's home, I'm sure you could get standing to do that.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

No, I was not very clear in my previous post.
New rules of engagement in Afghanistan (issued by Obama) are designed to reduce civilian casualties. More US troops will die as a consequence.
Should families of fallen soldiers have the right of standing in US courts to find out whether the CIC, who ordered their children to go to war, is indeed eligible?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

No one in their right mind could think birthers don't want the truth. That's exactly what they are after.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Depends, did you read Judge Land's opinion? Do you see any loophole there that would allow a soldier to sue whenever they don't like their assignment? I think that's a military matter better handled by the military. The other is a political question which is better handled by the politicians. So, if you want to remove a sitting President, you've been going about this all wrong. You need to get to work on congress, since impeachment is the only way to get him out.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Nope, they only want THEIR truth, the rest of it be damned. You have presented no evidence that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. That's the truth. All you've got are wild theories and forged documents, that's the truth. You will not accept the constitution, SCOTUS opinion or the rule of law whenever it disagrees with you, that's the truth. So, the only truth blowers are looking for is the delusional one that only exists in their mind.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

A soldier is asked to go to war and risk death while his CIC will not present the valid Hawaiian long form birth certificate.
There is only one reason why Obama is refusing to do it – no such document exists, there is no other logical explanation.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Again, that is your opinion. Not a very worthy one either. But, no they shouldn't. Especially with the total lack of evidence that blowers have presented. You tend to think in a vacuum, what if about half the soldiers and families had decided to take the same tact with Bush? You could do more to ruin our military with that attitude than any foreign power ever could.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

What you are saying is that circumstantial evidence alone is not enough to at least investigate.

There are people sitting on death row convicted solely on circumstantial evidence.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

He has presented a valid BC and been verified by the state of Hawaii that he was born there. Just because you don't like it is no reason to drag the military into your delusional world. You can't prove he wasn't born there and there is no reason to bring our country to a standstill because of it. You have no standing.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

You don't even have circumstantial evidence. All you have are unprovable theories and forged documents. Besides, Obama has the trump card, which you hate the most, in the Hawaii BC. So, no go again, NC.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

That's stupid (normal for you). Show me your proof I wasn't born on Mars and I'll show you my proof.

Notice to all. . .The cult-of-obama frequent posters here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears etc). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

You are all an ignorant bunch of batshit crazy fruitcakes that wouldn’t KNOW the truth if it walked up and bit you in the ass! As I said the other day, every slap down you get you all start with the same old shit. Conspiracy! Traitor! Obot! When will you get the picture that you are wrong and you have no proof of anything you claim! When you leader is hauled away in a straight jacket?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Obama, show your birth certificate!

Should we trust Obama and his online short-form B/C when he has hidden all his other documentation and long-form B/C, and lied about everything else? Here's a few of his lies.

He said:

He was a moderate and would govern from the center.

No new taxes on anyone making less than $250K.

Cap-N-Trade would on cost the amount of a postage stamp per day.

No more Washington as usual.

He said he wrote his own books. Bill Ayres wrote “Dreams.”

No earmarks.

Never used an alias name.

No lobbyists in Cabinet.

He would keep track of the bailout money.

No free health-care for illegals.

No government funding for abortion.

Health-care debate to be broadcast on C-Span.

No programs enacted without having the funding (Pay-Go).

All new bills to be available for public review.

Didn't want to run car company.

Doctors remove kids tonsils just to make more money.

Enact policies to make world safer.

He would not desert Israel.

He would get out of Iraq.

He would close Gitmo.

He would do whatever it took to win in Afghanistan.

He would get Bin Laden.

He said he barely knew William Ayers the domestic terrorist and pentagon bomber.

He said he wouldn’t prosecute the CIA agents re detainee treatment.

He would keep a balanced budget.

No deficit spending.

He would be bi-partisan.

Didn’t really know much about ACORN.

Wouldn't allow government funds to pay for abortions.

Would stop illegal immigration.

His Uncle helped liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp at end of WWII.

No government takeover of health-care.

He would represent ALL Americans.

He also said he was born in Hawaii. Hmmm

Thanks, but I think it’s time to see the LONG-FORM birth certificate, and other records!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Do we need to parse the words “circumstantial evidence”?

Scott Peterson went fishing on the same day when his wife disappeared. No actual evidence that he comitted a crime – just theories and speculation on behalf of the prosecutors and police investigators?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Thanks for clarifying
2 points:
1) Really? At this juncture, after 8 years of a horribly botched gameplan in Afgh, you think you can suddenly analyze and reject BO's rapidly evolving strategy over there before ANYONE really knows what will be finalized, and pronounce it more hazardous to our troops? More delusion
2)the question about who can/will find out CIC's “eligibility” is beyond ridiculous. Talk to Orly's friend Rhodes about that one. Maybe youcan become pen pals?


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

BWAHAHAHAHA…and you forget all the other stuff? No actual evidence of a crime? You don't think the discovery of body parts was evidence? What about the recorded conversations with his girlfriend? There was a heck of a lot more there than just circumstantial evidence. Which, of course, you will ignore since it doesn't fit your scenario…just like you ignore all other evidence that doesn't fit your delusions. Just keep showing your stupidity NC…it's funny to watch!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

You need only one case where the eligibility is confirmed. No need for half of the military to challenge the eligibility of their CIC. I have no doubt that media would not let Bush get away with eligibility issue.

What evidence did prosecution had to charge Scott Peterson?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Careful here, don't confuse Obama appologists with facts.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Where is the Hawaiian long form birth certificate? What are you afraid of – Obama telling another lie?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Why is it that they investigated him?
After all he told them the “truth” during the first converstion with the police.
There was no need to investigate him further, right?

Please read your post again- you are making my point exactly – we need to investigate whether Obama is telling the truth!
Without investigation – Obama could get away with another lie – in a much more important and potentially deadly case than Peterson's.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Obama promised transparency, he promised to unite the country – would it not be benefitial to his
efforts to implement reforms – if he could make a gesture of good will towards those who doubt his eligibility and present a Hawaiian LONG form birth certificate.
Or was that promise just an election campaign lie?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

You are a dishonorable POS sellout, just like most of Dingle Barry's supporters. Half the country rightfully believes that the truth should be known, and this should be put behind us.

Yet they continue the game of hiding the truth, and ridiculing those who want to know. They are the lowest of low. In them I find the answer to a question I've long asked, “how did Hitler or Manson find mindless cultist followers.” Now I know. I think Barry's raiders would have been right there.

It's a sad time for goodness in the world, especially America.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

I don't think you would recognize the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. Go and read Judge Land's order and his description of Oily Taters behavior in court and her filings. Consider the amount of money she has cost taxpayers. She is singlehandedly trying to increase the deficit. I think his order is very clear and concise and explains everything. I loved it!


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

“They are the lowest of low. In them I find the answer to a question I've long asked, 'how did Hitler or Manson find mindless cultist followers.'”

Simple: they dyed their hair blond, started wearing fake eyelashes, and got a “law degree” from a vending machine at Target. A few Paypal donations later and BAM! Instant birfer idiots!

Then they filed a bunch of friviolous lawsuits, got fined for thousands of dollars, and the rest was history.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

You've got that right! Facts to the obots are like sunlight to vampires.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

No investigation needed…again. He has shown his legal BC and Hawaii confirms he was born there. NO more investigation necessary. You have yet to prove he wasn't born there.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

The above stupid smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

Well I'd be happy to answer that. Hitler and Manson got their followers the same way Orly got hers, with lies and manipulation! And the ignorant followed them just like you follow her. Figure the odds of the entire US government being in a massive conspiracy that was started in 1961 when a woman of meager means gave birth to a bi-racial child (which was frowned upon at the time) and then went to all the elaborate SB you claim to falsify all his birth records so he could become president 48 years later. You are insane!


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Do you understand what precedence is? If you do, do you understand why it would not be only one case? And, if you can't understand that, do you see why we think you folks are nuts?


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

NO, he just doesn't think a few delusional nobodies deserve the time of day. Blowers just need to continue following Orly with their noses stuck up her a$$ until she gives off her final fart in the wind on this.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

You are wrong. There is no need for any grand conspiracy to explain this.

All it took is a concerned grandparent who wanted to have a grandchild registered as a US citizen. They sent an affidavit about Hawaiian birth, DoH sends the data to newspapers to announce the birth.

If Obama was indeed born in the Kapiolani Hsopital – the long form birth certificate would have been presented to the public long time ago. Why go through the hassle of negative publicity? Why would he pay lawyers to fight eligibility lawsuits when a simple document could prove his Hawaiian birth? It makes no sense.

COLB was not accepted in some Hawaiian state agencies as a proof of Hawaiian birth until June 2009 – when the law was changed to fit Obama's needs to hide the long form birth certificate.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

That is so total BS it's pathetic. COLB has been the official form since 2001, in response to the 9/11 attacks. You really need to quit lying, NC, it shows how little you really know.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Actually, with the direction the GOP is going these days I CAN forsee an anti-Afghan war movement somewhat mimicking the left-leaning anti-war movements our democracy has countenanced since the Vietnam era. Wouldn't surprise me a bit and more power to 'em! Maybe they'll even come up with a rightwing version of Cindy Sheehan and if so, good on them.
If, however, their rallying cry is just another Birfer Call to Arms: then the anti-Sheehan to which you allude may just as well be Orly, for all the legitimacy that 'movement' will engender. Great way to turn a movement into a punchline.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:51 am

Jim, he’s got you there! Learn about what you type about.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

naturalizedcitizen makes good points.

re mslazy's comment about meager means. . .that's a smelly pile. stanley ann was involved in organized crime. they flew all around the world. bho went to the most expensive schools. not so meager, but dishonest and corrupt? yes!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

If you were right, good judge Land should have dismissed the case explaining what the facts were, without going into tirades about Orly, without mentioning the “evidence” presented on “factcheck.org”.
He should have done his “lawyering” and be done with the case. He could have washed his hands and advised public what the appropriate forum for addressing the eligibility issue is.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Sounds like this conspiracy IS wide-ranging. As Jim pointed out, the State Dept & HLS made changes to many BC issues in response to 9/11. I'm starting to warm to this theory: it would appear that Osama Bin Laden attacked us on 9/11 to manipulate the State Dept into shell-gaming Obama's BC. Ah, the Evil Usurper's grand plan is monumentally clever and EVIL: how could I be so stupid as to miss the proper placement of the puzzle pieces…


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

When will you ever get it through your thick heads that you don't get “long form birth certificates” anymore? When you request a birth certificate there is no place to check long form or short form! You get what you get, which is what the president posted and fact check photographed. The state doesn't give a flying fig about what you guys want to see! They don't make 'em like that anymore! My grandchild was born after they changed the format for birth certificates. Her original birth certificate looks like the presidents. That's all you get. Period. Done. End of story.

Here is a link to a story with a video of the State Director of the Department of Health stating once again that she personally saw and examined President Obama's original birth certificate on file with the official office of the Hawaii Department of Health.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/28/videohawa…

She is tired of this foolishness wasting the time of her employee's in her department and wishes you would all just quit bothering them after they have reiterated time and time again that the president was born in Hawaii on the time and date specified. Not according to his grandmother or anyone else unofficial, but according to the records submitted by the hospital where he was born. There have been at least two newspapers who reported the birth at the time it took place. Google or bing the question of articles or video's of Hawaiian officials attesting to the presidents birth place. You will find several. Someone said earlier to show them people who was willing to say it Well, here is one you can watch with your own eyes. But that doesn't seem to mmatter to you guys. You don't want to listen to the truth. The birth certificate that has been available for more than a year is proof he was born in Hawaii. No where else but Hawaii. Therefore your dense “attorney” heroine is wrong as well as being pretty stupid. Her legal filings prove it. She is stupid beyond belief. If a reputable online university indeed gave her a diploma in law, they need to go back and do some serious checking of their accademic requirements. She is surely an embarassment to their reputation.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

A gesture of good will? Sort of like sticking a handful of coldcuts in a piranha-infested river and waiting, with hand outstretched, for a show of appreciation? You said Obama was evil, NOT stupid.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

I see NC, since the Judge didn't do EXACTLY what you wanted him to do, he is now suspect. Then again, since you're neither a Judge or a Lawyer, this may be normal operating procedure well within the discretion of the Judge. He could have simply stated dismissed because the plaintiff had no standing, but the BS Orly stuck out there needed to be addressed. And, because it was and found to be “Alice in Wonderland” thinking, you don't like it. Well, boo-hoo, maybe you should read up on a little law and the constitution and you wouldn't be caught by these surprises.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Hey, chris, that's better than anything the blowers have come up with. You sure you're not a closet Orly fan?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Surely a president of the USA can get a document from State of Hawaii archive.

Dr. Fukino issued a statment based on the legal advice from AG Benett. That legal advice is a public document. Yet upon request for it – it was denied. Ask yourself why?
What does the term “natural-born American citizen” mean? She refuses to answer that question.

Do I need to post a link to Colin Powell's presentation to UN on WMDs. How about links to statements given by numerous Congress members from both parties, about the same topic? Did their opinion changed the facts on the ground?

If there was nothing to hide, we would have seen the long form birth certificate by now.

No need to invade a foreign country to find out what the truth is, just a little piece of paper allegedly stored in the State archive.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

You don't get it yet…you can't have it. And, he doesn't have to show it. He's sitting in the WH, you want him out, prove your case. Otherwise, keep making idiotic demands like you have some sort of authority…you don't and you never will.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:36 am

Not really…she’s kinda scary!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

Where on earth did you come up with that? President Obama's mother involved in organized crime? That has to be THE craziest one I have heard yet. The school he went to after returning to live with his grandparents at 10 years of age was one his grandparents were able to obtain scholarship for him to attend. After high school he only attended one school that was quite expensive and that was Harvard. Scholarships and student loans help students of all kinds to attend schools like that. He had to show he had the smarts to get in to that one though.

I am amazed that people like you would come up with stuff like that when you have no basis of fact. The presidents grandparents were members of what is generally referred to as the “Greatest Generation.” They both served the war effort, his grandfather abroad and his grandmother in a factory building for the war effort. Stanley Ann went without her father's presence for a long time. These days soldiers don't deploy more than a year without coming home. Her father spent six years overseas before he came home to his family. Because they had such a large part of raising the president when he was a boy, you are denigrating good people who gave up more than you could ever imagine in service to their country. And you slobs can sit behind your computers saying all kinds of lying and hateful statements that you have absolutely no proof of. You are really disgusting. And no, I'm not paid by anybody for expressing my opinion but I do spend time researching my facts and reading immense amounts to search out facts. I make phone calls to affirm information on my own dime. I find you despicable for spewing the venomous lies and downright dirty, deceitful and repetitious verbiage you continue to type on these pages. If you do more fact checking and less reading of the same old tired lies that people like Oily Taters keeps regurgitating you might learn something new. Or at least more accurate.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Where are we going to put a plaque commemorating the birth of a US president?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

COLB was not acceptable proof for the department of hawaiian lands (whatever the official name is). Their web site was changed in June 2009 to allow COLB as a proof.

Look at the post on top of the thread: There is an extensive list of Obama's lies.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

The above absurdity is provided by Orly Taitz's paid propaganda team.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Notice to all. . .captainsteve here work probably works directly for Orly Taitz. No surprise there.

Or is Orly…


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

Too many errors to count. STFU. You're too stupid to even talk to me.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

Oh brother, are you going to fall for that WND BS again? The law wasn't changed, it was clarified for easier reading you incredible fool. If you had taken the time to read the before and after and not listen to schmucks that don't know anything, like you, you'd realize that. But, of course, it doesn't agree with your delusions it must be wrong. “Naturalizedidiot you ignorant slut!”


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

Congress already covered that for you with the commemoration of Hawaii, also mentioning it as the birthplace of President Obama. Passed unanimously, guess you can't expect congress to impeach him now, can you?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:36 am

I said STFU, stupid.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

I believe Abraham Lincoln, a Republican if I recall correctly, observed,

“That man can put the least amount of ideas in the most amount of space.”


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Please allow me to be the first to apologize for spreading misinformation and lies on this page. Apparently the actual words were:

He can compress the most words into the smallest ideas of any man I ever met.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Obummer came to power by circumventing the Constitution and rule of law. His brainwashed masses better realize that it’s you who are in the minority. If Dingle Barry gets away with the scam, everybody will soon enough see that laws no longer have meaning, as it currently is with the corrupt vermin of Ozero’s legacy on the South side of Chicago. The free-for-all will be on. I sure wouldn’t want to be in the minority along with you. You think you can thumb you noses at giant? You better think twice.

People need to wake up and see this Usurper-in-Chief for the lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan Chicago thug for who he is!


captainsteve
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Obummer came to power by circumventing the Constitution and rule of law. His brainwashed masses better realize that it’s you who are in the minority. If Dingle Barry gets away with the scam, everybody will soon enough see that laws no longer have meaning, as it currently is with the corrupt vermin of Ozero’s legacy on the South side of Chicago. The free-for-all will be on. I sure wouldn’t want to be in the minority along with you. You think you can thumb you noses at giant? You better think twice.

People need to wake up and see this Usurper-in-Chief for the lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan Chicago thug for who he is!


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

The above smear is provided by Orly Taitz's paid propaganda team.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

Hohum…left with nothing else, cap'n is now on a ranting, slobbering, and generally ineffective rage. Since the congress, SCOTUS, the constitution, the electoral college, and the american people are behind our President, he's left howling at the moon…which is basically all he's been doing for the last few weeks.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:04 am

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!


Steve_X
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:04 am

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:13 am

Do I need to post a link to Colin Powell’s presentation to UN on WMDs. How about links to statements given by numerous Congress members from both parties, about the same topic? Did their opinion changed the facts on the ground?

Thanks for the link, there was an interesting comment there about two cases from 1800s where the term “natural born citizen” was defined:
“…
Though not defined in the Constitution, it has been defined in both Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (U.S. 01/02/1856) and The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814. In both, the term “natural born citizen” is defined as a child born on the country’s soil to TWO citizens of that country…”

I guess this is my next reading assignment.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:13 am

Do I need to post a link to Colin Powell’s presentation to UN on WMDs. How about links to statements given by numerous Congress members from both parties, about the same topic? Did their opinion changed the facts on the ground?

Thanks for the link, there was an interesting comment there about two cases from 1800s where the term “natural born citizen” was defined:
“…
Though not defined in the Constitution, it has been defined in both Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (U.S. 01/02/1856) and The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814. In both, the term “natural born citizen” is defined as a child born on the country’s soil to TWO citizens of that country…”

I guess this is my next reading assignment.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Where is your proof that he is a FORMER cocaine addict?
When did he get off drugs?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:38 am

A non biding resolution is worthless. The same is true for the one issued last year about McCain.
It is only used as a smoke screen to deceive uninformed people.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:38 am

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:42 am

Do you believe that in every COLB (without exception) the place of birth is identical to the data stored in the original vital records?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:42 am

Do you believe that in every COLB (without exception) the place of birth is identical to the data stored in the original vital records?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Actually, Judge Land noted it in his opinion. So, it does carry some weight. And you've proven to be among the uninformed people without a clue. The rest of us just laugh at you.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:45 am

Either way, you've just described every single birfer to a T.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Just ask Larry Sinclair about the powder and other things. Or was it rock?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Oldman, you idiot…that was with his meetings with Orly! Didn't you read his latest filing? The one where he said Orly asked him to lie? Talk about a clean miss!!!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Sure, whatever the voices tell you…. So you going to pitch in and help Orly pay that 20K or what?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:21 am

Good point! I stand corrected!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:21 am

Jim you have seen NOTHING. I have seen NOTHING. No one has seen anything dealing with Obama's citizenship. Nancy Pelosi not only has not seen anything to vet him she knows enough that she faked the DNC papers and left out “constitutionally eligible” because she knows he is not a Natural Born American Citizen. Not one official has seen anything on paper not even that photoshopped COLB posted on Obot websites, that proves he is a citizen much less a Natural Born American Citizen. Jim name one official in our Federal Government that has admitted to vetting this foreigner. You want the lies to be believed but America is no longer buying the BS! Time to turn the page. This illusion is over. Reality is back to American politics, the Communist coup has been defeated before it got a real start. This is America! We are Americans! Communism is a hated enemy and will always be fought and defeated. That's the way it has always been and that is the way it will always be.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:21 am

I don't believe Sinclair if off it yet. At least, it seems like Orly wasn't paying him enough to keep his habit going so he sued her to try and get more.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Good point. Should I add rump ranger to my list?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:24 am

My friend “goodness” went out in the Clinton years. Now all we have is greed and corruption for this little group of have nots or that little group of underclass. All led by the New World Order Communists. Promise them anything they need and make them need more for that need is the ring in their nose that allows them to be led to slaughter. Can “we” save our America? We can only try my friend!


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:25 am

Now, you see here oldmoreBS, this is where I explain the facts of life to you.
1) Obama was born in Hawaii, as per Hawaii.
2) Per the 10th amendment, no other state or federal entity can question that fact unless they PROVE he was not born there.
3) Per SCOTUS, being born in the US makes you a natural born citizen (KWA 1898)
4) Obama is legally sitting in the WH and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
5) You are so funny and delusional…come up with another lie!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:31 am

WE don't have a leader we are all anarchists!
There is a world wide Communist conspiracy to destroy the United States as we know it.
There are many traitors in our government today. They are the ones that support the usurper and his corrupt organizations. Like ACORN.
As for Obots, Just look at this site and all the others, Obots are as thick as flies on BS. Seems that that is what they love best.


borderraven
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:33 am

Obots, you'd better hurry and sign up for your Obama money, I hear he's giving everyone an average of $3,000. I got my $1,300 already.

Thousands Mob Detroit Center, Hope for Free Cash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2ngvYI_ZU

Obama Causes Welfare Chaos In Detroit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGLB8LO1aM

Rush Limbaugh: In Line For 'Obama Money' In Detroit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:34 am

If Obama was Pinokio his nose would have already made it around the world and would now be stuck up his ???


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:37 am

The SCOTUS and or the POTUS could get a copy ASAP.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:37 am

The SCOTUS and or the POTUS could get a copy ASAP.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:53 am

So, I'm not sure who is lying…Orly or Sinclair. Who do you think, cap'n? What about you NC, oldman, borderraven…who's the liar. According to your logic, if they lie about one thing they'll lie about everything else. So, what do you think. Is Orly a liar and you can't trust anything she says? Or is Sinclair the liar? Me, I lean toward both. But, I'm biased, I think all of you are nuts.


borderraven
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:01 am

If anyone want to be CEO of USA, Inc., they'll have to jump through hoops and comply with request for records to back up their resume. We require more of an applicant for FBI Special Agent, than for POTUS. Try applying for a Top Secret Security clearance, and count the hurdles you have to jump. Heck, we give out POTUS as prizes in Cracker-Jack boxes these days!


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Anyone know why Cap'n Steve keeps pasting identical posts?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:12 am

By your answer, you demonstrated you are the one who is stupid. And nobody shuts me up. I will continue to speak and post as long as there is breath in my body, as I have always done when wrongs and injustices have been in front of me. You do our country and our president disservice. I have not always liked presidents that we have had in office but I have always given the office the respect it deserves. You dishonor yourself as well as our country by spouting the filth you spout. You are the one who should be silent. And no one pays me to stand up for what is right. So even though I do not use the foul language you do, you can shut up.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Material's drying up. Can't do much more than rant and drool now. Really sad to watch them fall apart like that. Actually, all the copying and pasting of paid agents is kind of funny. Can you imagine if each side WAS paying to have people sit in chat rooms and argue about nothing? Talk about stimulating the economy! Definitely not stimulating conversation…just delusional blower s**t.


borderraven
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:22 am

I sent an email to Sacramento California requesting nominee certifications for DNC

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19949541/SACCA2009091…

Missing constitutional qualification.

And the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH displayed on FactCheck, is nothing more than a sworn statement certifying certain data was was transcribed accurately. In order to verify the untrustworthy Obama's NBC status, he needs to drop trou', take a wide stance, squat low, and grunt hard, if he is to produce any tangible evidence in court, because up 'til now he has only produced a handful of green toilet paper!

Pelosi better find an orifice on her body capable of holding a few vials of BOTOX, because a few years in priso is going to wrinkle her brow something ugly!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:34 am

In 1961 his being President had not one damn thing to do with it! They just wanted him to be an American citizen because in '61 America was the greatest place on earth in everybody's mind. It was only later that he figured out he could get college for free if he used his real foreign status in school. Now he wants to hide his foreign status because be can not be a Natural Born American Citizen if he was a foreigner as he said he was in college. So many lies so few truths.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:44 am

Please answer one simple question if you have researched all this as you say you have.
Was Stanley Ann Dunham and both her parents members of the American Communist Party and did they associate with and allow the baby Obama to be around Frank Marshall Davis? I'll wait for your reply.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:45 am

I did not read Sinclair's book. I was referring to Obama's own book wheer he mentioned cocaine use in college.

How does a person get off cocaine – is rehab necessary or is it possible to just quit?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:49 am

you— we don't have a President today to do a disservice to, just a foreign usurper sleeping in our White House spouting Communist propaganda to all that will buy it.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:52 am

According to an AOL poll, 85% of all Americans believe that Obama's birth certificate needs to be produced. 'Nuff said.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:01 am

Looking for an Obot? Just follow the times of the posts. Paid Obots post all day and night, seems they work shifts and keep the same screen name throughout the day. You can tell a difference in style from one Obot to the next when they relieve each other. Minimum wage doesn't cost the Obamas that much.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:13 am

Jim this tired BS you made up ages ago is just plain stinking BS nothing more nothing less.
1. We have no prof.
2. Simply your BS.
3. SCOTUS has never addressed the Natural Born Presidential requirement. That's what we want them to do and ASAP!
4. The usurper is sleeping in our White House, but his days are numbered thanks to Judge Carter.
5. For an Obot you at least have a sense of humor, I hope to one day have you on our side.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:16 am

We check Presidential eligibility about like we check citizenship during traffic stops.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:18 am

And just how much has your usurper cost the taxpayers? Trillions!
Get Real!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:25 am

I guess he posts it once to convince himself and the second time to try and convince the rest of us! Doesn't really matter- if I see his name I just bypass it now. He has nothing worthwhile to say.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:30 am

By the way- I hope you all take the time to read the order from Judge Land where he sanctioned Oily Taters $20,000.00, if you haven't read it already. I know it is kind of long but it is so worth it. Who'd thought a court order could be so entertaining??!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:38 am

It is an awesome read! =)


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Sorry oldloonytune, those are the facts you have to overcome. So far, you're 0-fer. And still failing strong. My sense of humor is the delusional world you live in, who needs reality TV when we have reality idiocracy.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:38 am

Why I'm not a stupid lefty-loser-libtard.

If a conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy one. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, then no one should have one.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don’t eat meat. If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal wants all churches to be silenced.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Who's the liar? Your mirror knows.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:45 am

You're right. The other 15% are obaNazis.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:55 am

In one of his autobiographies, Obama admitted that he abused cocaine while in college. Are you calling him a liar too?

How does a person get off cocaine. Is it possible to simply stop or is it necessary to go through rehab program?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:08 am

Here is the British Nationality Act of 1948;

5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:

Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was a British Citizen by Jr.s admission and all known facts. Therefore Jr. was born a British Citizen as stated by British law above. Now read John Jay's letter to George Washington about adding the Natural Born requirement to our constitution to prevent British usurpers from becoming Commander in Chief and destroying us from within and you now know why BHO is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS! In black and white, no BC or COLB needed. How much simpler could it be. Facts are facts. Spin this Obots!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:30 am

Raven did the SOB tax you $1,700.00?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:02 am

WKA does not define a natural born status. Read the last paragraph describing in a nutshell what the case was all about.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:10 am

You heard what he told a reporter about him quitting smoking didn't you? ” you will never 'see' me smoking in the White House” just like Slick Willie and “it depends on what the definition of is,is”.
Born liars.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:13 am

My 2 cents – Sinclair & Obama


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:23 am

Well I can see why you hate liberals if you believe all that nonsense about them


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:24 am

That's his maintenance regimen when he's having one of his frequent dissociative fugues


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:28 am

Isn't smoking on the Cap'n's list of reasons to impeach Evil Usurper?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:34 am

An ESSENTIAL read for anyone who blogs here


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:56 am

Should be, smokers have no respect for themselves how can they respect others?


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:34 am

Sir, please remember that you have posted misinformation during debate earlier on this topic. Since you have proven you will post fiction as fact, you have proven that dismissing your statements is logical.

Perhaps Judge Land found similar falsehoods in Ms. Taitz' lawsuit?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:47 pm

So, by quoting a British law, what you are saying is that we, as Americans, take the back seat to British laws.

Is that your argument?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

“If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. “

been tapping your toes again, huh?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

So?

90% of college graduates from the 70's to through the mid 80's drank too much, smoked pot, snorted coke, had unprotected sex, etc.

The ones that didn't were the social misfits.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

Further evidence that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him float on his back. Mr. 666 was posting fictional accounts of the British Nationality Act (BNA). I posted a link hoping for a better informed discussion. My hopes were in vain. Mr. 666 selectively read the BNA for only the sections that supported his case.

Mr. 666 did not post Section 5 in its entirety. His post is a portion of the first sentence. The balance is

Provided that if the father of such a person is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of this section unless—

(a) that person is born or his father was born in a protectorate, protected state, mandated territory or trust territory or any place in a foreign country where by treaty, capitulation, grant, usage, sufferance, or other lawful means, His Majesty then has or had jurisdiction over British subjects; or
(Note: This means born in the United Kingdom or territory)

(b) that person's birth having occurred in a place in a foreign country other than a place such as is mentioned in the last foregoing paragraph, the birth is registered at a United Kingdom consulate within one year of its occurrence, or, with the permission of the Secretary of State, later; or
(This means written notification to a British Embassy)

(c) that person's father is, at the time of the birth, in Crown service under His Majesty's government in the United Kingdom; or
(This means offspring of someone like an Ambassador)

(d) that person is born in any country mentioned in subsection (3) of section one of this Act in which a citizenship law has then taken effect and does not become a citizen thereof on birth.
(There is a list of countries that are irrelevant to the article.)

Mr. 666 completely ignores section 7:

7.—(1) The Secretary of State may cause the minor child of any citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies to be registered as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies upon application made in the prescribed manner by a parent or guardian of the child.

In other words, President Obama is a natural born citizen whose parents had the right to petition the Crown for British citizenship until his 21st birthday.

Please understand, I am not a lawyer. I just study evidence and try to get the facts right.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

Yes. That is what oldracistman is saying:British law trumps US law—in the USA, no less.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:37 pm

What an idiot. Spin what? Obama was born a natural born American Citizen in Hawaii who was entitled to duel citizenship (as a child) because of his father’s nationality. But he did not choose to act on that choice as an adult, and having that “choice” as a child does not diminish in any way his American citizenship. On the other side of that my youngest child was born in Japan to two natural born Americans and because he was born there he was also entitled to duel citizenship. As an adult if he so chose he could have given up his American citizenship and become a Japanese citizen. He did not make that choice, and neither did Obama choose to be British.

My stepdaughters were born to an American mother and British father. As children they had two passports, one US one UK. They are now adults and could have chosen to become British citizens, but didn’t and they too are Natural born American citizens born right here in the good ol’ USA, just like Obama.

So what’s your point?

The Fourteen Amendment, ratified July 9, 1868 after the Civil War, states in part: “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” In 1898 the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 that the Fourteenth Amendment applies to children born in the United States to parents who are not citizens of the United States such that the children automatically become citizens upon birth.

So if a child born on American soil to two non-citizens is a Natural Born American, what makes you think that a child born to an American, on American soil is not a Natural born American?

Of course there is no point in pointing out reality to those residing in the twilight zone.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

There are two kinds of obummer supporters, well intentioned but ignorant, or knowledgeable but low-life scum.

Only a disgusting vile scum of a person would even suggest that there is anything wrong with wanting to confirm the legality any president, especially one surrounded by so much uncertainty.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

You're right again!


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Well, there's only one kind of blower supporter, dumb and white. Past that, I have to admit they are entertaining in their total devotion of following Orly around like a love-sick mutt. No matter how bad of a lawyer she's proven to be.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

I'm waiting for Judge Carter's to be issued. It's funny that he was ready to rule against Orly about standing (according to Kreep) but decided to issue a written one instead when they started pleading and had their cultists cheering. Now, we win because we get to read another Orly beatdown.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

You quote one thing from WKA and in the next sentence you misquote it!?

WKA gives CITIZENSHIP status to children of resident aliens. They are NOT natural born citizens.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Sounds like a RACIST statement! You got something against White People?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

He is saying that a status of a child born as a dual citizen is governed by laws of two countries – therefore such child is not a natural born citizen of USA.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Do not lump all those activities together.
How many of them abused cocaine?

How did Obama finance his habit? He does not come from a wealthy family.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

And yet, SCOTUS says he could still become POTUS…isn’t that interesting.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Your children you mention may well be American citizens but they are not today nor can they ever become Natural Born American Citizens. They can NEVER become a “legal” POTUS! The 14th amendment does not deal with Natural Born in any way. It deals with simple citizenship. Natural Born is a special requirement for the office of President and later by amendment VP.
The founding fathers knew they were not Natural Born when they put the requirement into the Constitution. They had non American parents and were themselves born British Citizens, just like Obama, they were not eligible to carry the title Natural Born American Citizen. So they added;

“unless you are a citizen at the time of the adoption of this constitution”

This allowed the first 10 Presidents to hold office even though they were not Natural Born. There were no Natural Born American citizens when that requirement was added to our new Constitution. No one had American citizen parents at the time of their birth and no one was born an American themselves, they were all foreign born Englishmen. Why would they add language for a requirement they themselves could not meet? To prevent exactly what happened in November or 2008, a foreigner becoming commander in chief and destroying America from within. Read John Jay's letter to George Washington dealing with Natural Born. Wake up America! The Constitution still means what it says!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

NO! British Law makes him a British Citizen, American Law can not change that. American Law (Constitutional) makes a British Citizen ineligible to become POTUS. Really quite simple.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

NO! British Law makes him a British Citizen, American Law can not change that. American Law (Constitutional) makes a British Citizen ineligible to become POTUS. Really quite simple.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

So, if any other country passes a law governing people born in this country they can invalidate them from being POTUS, is that your argument?

Kind of weak.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

Cuban law cannot be extended to chilldren born in the USA of US citizen parents.

They could make a law to grant Cuban citizenship to a child of Cuban citizens even if that child was born in the USA for example.

In that case, child would not be considered a natural born US citizen because parent(s) were not US citizens at the time of child’s birth.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

From the Wong Kim Ark majority opinion:


The Constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words “citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States.”

That part is pretty straight forward.


The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

Again, this part is pretty straight forward.


In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.

Interpreting the Constitution in the context of English Common law has been a standard part of SCOTUS decision making since the very beginning.


The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King’s allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

I know that the use of Latin terms tends to give birthers headaches, but the concept here is quite clear. If you were born under the protection of the kings laws, then you are subject to those laws.


The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”

Again, this is perfectly logical and reasonable. The terminology may have changed, but the meaning behind the terms remained the same. Subjects of the crown became citizens of the state.


The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.

Again, this is a very important point. There is no evidence that these rules were ever changed or redefined by the founders of this country. It must be emphaticly pointed out that Vattel was not a founder of this country and there is NO EVIDENCE to support the claim that his continental interpretation of citizenship laws (as opposed to the traditional British interpretation of those laws) was ever established as a basis for U.S. law. No evidence whatsoever.


All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.

There you go, birthers, that is where Justice Gray explicitly rules that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen. Read it and weap


The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

just in case you missed it in the last quote, he reiterates it for you. How can it be any clearer than that?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Part (b), above there indicates that the birth had to be registered within a year for the law to be applicable.

There you go, send Orly to England! LOL


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Under Irish law, if your parents or grandparents were born in Ireland, then you are an Irish citizesn, even if they emigrated here, and became naturalized before you were born. Are those Americans excluded from being POTUS as well?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

Only certain ones…why, are you one of them?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

What part of the above do you find relevant in this case?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Well, let's see what SCOTUS has to say…well first we have KWA from antibirther above:

All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.

There you go, birthers, that is where Justice Gray explicitly rules that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen. Read it and weep

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

just in case you missed it in the last quote, he reiterates it for you. How can it be any clearer than that?

But, furthermore, blowers will start arguing that Obama may have been adopted and had his citizenship changed by his folks. Well, SCOTUS saw you coming also…

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. 1 And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law. As at birth she became a citizen of the United States, at citizenship must be deemed to continue unless she has been deprived of it through the operation of a treaty or congressional enactment or by her voluntary action in conformity with applicable legal principles.

So look at that, SCOTUS says that american citizenship is not affected by another country's laws. And, you CAN have dual citizenship. Plus, what your parents do cannot change your citizenship. Isn't the nice!

Now who would you believe, NC and Oldfart who have nothing to back up their statements, or SCOTUS who is the final authority?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Are you saying he was never registered. Are you saying you have prof of a negative situation? Are you saying he never had a British Passport?
What are you saying?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

citizenship at birth is the same thing as natural born citizenship.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Yes. Exactly, that is the reason the founding fathers put this exclusionary clause in our constitution. Anyone with ties (allegiance) to any other country is ineligible for POTUS as it would be a conflict of loyalties.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Well, our founding fathers were intelligent enough to see idiots like you coming along. That’s why they wrote the constitution like they did, so nutcases like you would not be allowed to create 2nd class citizenship. Past that, it’s just another useless speech that has no facts to worry about. BTW…I’m against anybody who wants to turn our constitution into a tool of hate and exclusion, so I suppose that means I’m against you.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Well, our founding fathers were intelligent enough to see idiots like you coming along. That’s why they wrote the constitution like they did, so nutcases like you would not be allowed to create 2nd class citizenship. Past that, it’s just another useless speech that has no facts to worry about. BTW…I’m against anybody who wants to turn our constitution into a tool of hate and exclusion, so I suppose that means I’m against you.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

Where in the constitution does it say that? I think you're misinterpreting that. Then again, why would it surprise me that you have no idea what you're talking about.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

The founding fathers were protecting America from foreigners, not protecting foreigners rights that were new to America. Their children's children could one day be eligible for POTUS but they should be assimilated into the American culture before that was allowed to take place.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

I'm saying that you are chiroptera excrement insane.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

On the contrary- John McCain was born in Panama and when hearings were held to determine if he was eligible to run for president it was determined he was. As previously stated many times, there have been 7 presidents born here to one citizen and one non-citizen. They still became president and guess what? This country survived them just fine even if one parent was a non-citizen. Didn't have any presidents convicted of treason because they had a loyalty to another country. Our government wasn't turned over to another country. What else is it that has you worried about the Obama pesidency? I don't think he has any particular connection or allegance to another country, British or otherwise. He seems to be pretty focused on what's going on right here in the U.S.

For your reading pleasure, I am posting the following.

Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code states the following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

•Anyone born in the United States.
•Any Native American or Native Alaskan born in the United States (provided that U.S. citizenship does not affect the person's status as a tribal citizen).
•Anyone born outside the United States to U.S. citizen parents, as long as at least one lived in the United States before the person was born.
•Anyone born outside the United States if one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year, and the other is a U.S. national.
•Anyone born in a U.S. possession if at least one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year.
•Anyone found in the U.S. before the age of five whose parentage is unknown, as long as proof of foreign birth is not shown by age 21.
•Anyone born outside the United States to an alien parent and a citizen parent who lived in the United States for at least five years (military and diplomatic service or dependency to be included in this requirement).
•Anyone born before May 23, 1934 to an alien father and a citizen mother who lived in the United States for any period.
U.S. Constitution United States law Constitutional law


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth.
Yes, if that birth is to two American Citizen Parents (Blood) and on American Soil to parents with no foreign allegiance. His father had allegiance to England being a British Citizen. For Christ's sake read John Jay's letter.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

So, you have just stated that based on the Irish law that states that if your grandparents were born in Ireland, a person born in this country to two citizen parents can not be POTUS.

What is Ireland were to repeal that law, would they then become eligible?

What if Iran passed a law that all left handed redheads born in North America were automatically citizens of Iran, retroactively since birth? Would that mean that we could never have a left handed, red haired president?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

John Jay had nothing to do with Wong Kim Ark, nor did he redefine the term natural born to mean anything other than the meaning that his training and education as a lawyer gave to it under the precedence of English common law.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Yes, if that birth is to two American Citizen Parents (Blood) and on American Soil to parents with no foreign allegiance.

That is not what it says. It says quite clearly and distinctly that even if your parents were aliens, if you were born her, then you are a natural born citizen.

End of the argument.

Face it, you lost.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Back to the Wong Kim Ark case. In the latter part of the 19th century, the United States, in one of its less glorious moments, enacted a series of laws known as the Chinese Exclusion Acts. The point of these laws was that Chinese laborers were welcome to come to the U.S. and work but they were denies the perks of U.S. citizenship. In the Wong Kim Ark case, the son of a Chinese couple, who was born in San Francisco left to visit China. When he returned, he was refused entry at the port of San Francisco. He sued, claiming that he was a citizen under the 14th amendment.
Wong Kim Ark won the case in the lower courts and the U.S., represented by a Mr. George Collins, appealed the decision, they lost and it was appealed again, all the way to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court upheld the lower courts decisions and ruled that Wong Kim Ark was indeed a natural born citizen.
Of note is the argument that Mr. Collins presented to support his case in the Supreme Court. In his written brief, his last and best argument against giving Wong Kim Ark the status of citizenship by way of birth went as follows:
— —
For the most persuasive reasons we have refused citizenship to Chinese subjects; and yet, as to their offspring, who are just as obnoxious, and to whom the same reasons for exclusion apply with equal force, we are told that we must accept them as fellow-citizens, and that, too, because of the mere accident of birth. There certainly should be some honor and dignity in American citizenship that would be sacred from the foul and corrupting taint of a debasing lineage.

Are Chinese children born in this country to share with the descendants of the patriots of the American Revolution the exalted qualification of being eligible to the Presidency of the nation, conferred by the Constitution in recognition of the importance and dignity of citizenship by birth?
— — —
How many of you can see the same tired, racist, arguments being made by the birthers?

Note also that Mr. Collins clearly concedes that if he lost this case (which he did), then being born in this country as a citizen was enough to qualify one to be president.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Does Dingle Barry act guilty?

When a car is pulled over by a cop. A normal honest person pulls over and shows their license. Simple.

Criminals will engage in all manner of tricks and evasions to to keep the truth from being known. The more energetic the evasion, the more serious the likely crime.

It's pretty obvious which behavior obummer has chosen. He's GUILTY!!!


Steve_X
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

You're wrong as usual!


Steve_X
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Looking for a birfer? Look for the same factually and legally-challenged spam posts, most of which will include a rant written in all-caps. Better yet, follow the trail of drool and the smell of peroxide. Birfers follow Taitz wherever she goes, and since they've somehow managed to be even dumber than she is, they're fully convinced a a record of 0-40 is somehow a good thing. Drool buckets don't cost the birfers that much.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

I think Jim was pretty specific with the statement qualifier:
Dumb & white.
Oldracistman, does the shoe fit?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Birfers are unshakeable in their insistence that there is something special about Obama which warrants the pathological scrutiny. Since law and common sense have systematically ruled out the Birfer's each and EVERY new spin on the citizenship/eligibility issue, that leaves a pretty obvious reason why they are still obsessed with—-in their very own words at this site—-putting BO him chains. No, it's not his party affiliation.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

captain, been to the right since Jimmy Carter, had to separate myself from the uneducated Communist fools.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

No.
For natural born US citizens, there is no basis for any other country's law to apply.

If you have a dual citizenship at birth you are automatically governed by laws of two countries.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Really, oldfart? And where, pray tell, is that in the constitution? Now we're going to have to assimilate our population? Sounds like the Borg are attacking. You sure you're in the right century, or you been watching too much TV and can't tell the difference between real life and the imaginary one in your mind?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Actually, no. He showed a legal BC and even went so far as to post it on the web…something no other candidate did. So, he's been extremely open and forthcoming. Blowers, on the other hand, have to lie, misquote laws, show a total disrespect for the constitution, and follow a nutcase around like she's in heat. Seems to me blowers are the ones with something to hide.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Two kinds: (1) dumb and white; and (2) Alan Keyes.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Sorry, NC, SCOTUS just doesn't agree with you…

'Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States;

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

By birth in this country, he was an american citizen able to become President if the people so decide. That's pretty direct way of saying you're full of it NC. Unless, you want to show SCOTUS opinions that disagree…otherwise it's just another of your blowhard arguments that has no basis in american law or fact.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

You will not find that definition in the Constitution.
It does not fit with the intent of writers of the Constitution.

From the viewpoint of national security, the position of CIC requres undivided loyalty to the USA only.
Children born to foreigners do not fall into this category. Their status is also guided by laws of a foreign countries.

If a foreign country laws apply to you at birth based on the citizenship of your parents – you are not a natural born citizen.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Jim this is just how America was set up by our founding fathers. They wanted to be separate from the rest of the world and better than the rest of the societies. For 200 years we have been successful in this venture. We are still the greatest Country on Earth! Now there are those that want to throw us into the sewer of World Government and say all we have accomplished has been wrong and we have to “change”. Well we do not believe that lie. We are great and we will stay great because we have some of the greatest people on Earth making up America. We will never settle for second best. If we ever do we will no longer be America. Let the world and the New World Order go where that may. If we stay as the founding fathers created us we will remain the biggest most powerful force on Planet Earth. That is what we are fighting for today. Are you with us or against us?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Rules governing a natural-born subject in UK and natural born citizen in the US are not the same.

Naturalization act from 1790 speaks volumes about the original intent for natural born status. That act gave the natural born status to children of US citizens (plural) born outside the continental USA.

It was repealed in 1795 giving the children of US citizens born abroad a citizenship status (not a natural born citizenship).


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Jim! Dumb ASS, read your own post;
N A T I V E – B O R N A M E R I C A N
C I T I Z E N

Words mean things! “citizen”, “Native-Born Citizen”, “Natural Born American Citizen” Are all different classifications of types of citizens. They are not interchangeable.
That's why the only position in our Government that requires the holder to be a Natural Born American Citizen is President and by amendment VP.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Jim! Dumb ASS, read your own post;
N A T I V E – B O R N A M E R I C A N
C I T I Z E N

Words mean things! “citizen”, “Native-Born Citizen”, “Natural Born American Citizen” Are all different classifications of types of citizens. They are not interchangeable.
That's why the only position in our Government that requires the holder to be a Natural Born American Citizen is President and by amendment VP.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Were parents of young Steinkauler US citizens at the time of child's birth?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Were parents of young Steinkauler US citizens at the time of child's birth?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Which is an interpretation that is contrary to the historic usage of the term.

“natural born” has ALWAYS meant the same as “by right of birth.”

Give it up. no one agrees with you.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Are you quoting a court's decision or somebody's opinion?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

So if Cuba were to pass a law saying “anyone named “Mike Huckabee” is a citizen of Cuba,” then we could never have a president named “Mike Huckabee.”

Hmm, maybe you're on to something there. . . . LOL


Antibirther
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

It doesn't matter, since Germany considered him to be a citizen of Germany. That's why they wanted him to serve in their military.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

According to your theory a child born to illegal aliens is a natural born citizen of the USA!?

The only reason phrase “natural born citizen” was added to the constitution was desire to prevent foreigners form being able to command the US military.

Dual allegiance at birth means that you are not a natural born citizen.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Prove it. You saying it means nothing, prove it. Show me in the constitution and SCOTUS opinions where the laws are what you say. How many different citizens are there? By my reading of the constitution, there is only 2. Natural Born and Naturalized. So show me where that is different. I pulled direct SCOTUS quotes to prove my point, if you can't do the same you're full of it…again.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Really, oldmissedlife, SCOTUS says directly that a “native-born” citizen can become President, if we elect him. Are you now saying that SCOTUS doesn't know what they're talking about and you have some sort of BS over their opinions? You are like a straight man in a comedy act, I keep setting you up and you keep proving what an idiot you are.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

WKA gave citizenship to children of foreign residents of USA.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

Could you name those seven presidents?
How many of them were eligible based on the grandfathered clause of being a citizen at the time of adoption of the Constitution?

Citizen at birth is not equal to natural born citizen.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

They haven't shown anything other than a photo-shopped image. Show me the real one and we'll talk.

Forthcoming are they? Let's see:

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — over $1,000,000 spent to conceal — birth certificate — $15.
Certification of Live Birth — Released – probable counterfeit
Admitted British/Kenyan citizenship at birth — Admitted
Hospital of birth — Three hospitals have some claim — 2 in Hawaii 1 in Kenya
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Kindergarten records – “lost”
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce – concealed by Obama — released by independent investigators
Selective Service Registration — Released – and proven counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released — investigation witness shot dead
Columbia University records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — “Lost”
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

Fail pTOTUS fail!


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Your analogy is faulty.

Although both a driver's licence and birth certificate are admissible evidence, you refuse to accept one. You insist that a birth certificate is not a birth certificate (spare me your several definitions of birth certificate.)

In the Jim Crow South, there were people that were required to pass a 'poll test.' This test measured the voter's ability to satisfy a list of requirements. If the prospective voter was able to pass the test, additional sections were added until the inevitable failure occurred.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

Court decisions are called opinions. Why, does that confuse you?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

And, in giving that citizenship, allowed a child of 2 non-citizens to be eligible to be elected president, if the people so choose to elect him.

“The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.”

Natural Born Citizen=place of birth. Easy, isn't it? So, by being born in Hawaii, Obama is a NBC.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

KWA 1898

“The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.”

Natural Born Citizen=place of birth. Easy, isn't it? So, by being born in Hawaii, Obama is a NBC.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Wanna bet? Obama did it!


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

I found your list on a site named 'Yedda', posted by 'American Patriot' on 11.27.2008. It appears that Mr. Patriot cut 'n' pasted this idea 100 times, a common affliction among this group.

I also found James Von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum killer, posted this list (02.12.2008) before Mr. Patriot. Interested readers can still find it at:
http://www.dn.no/forum/?display=topic&forum_id=…

Where can I go to see these assertions with supporting evidence? Something not involving the murder of people because of their skin color or religion if possible.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

The issue isn't whether I type the list out, moron. It's what's on the list. Read it again. Freakin' obot numb-skull.

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — over $1,000,000 spent to conceal — birth certificate — $15.
Certification of Live Birth — Released – probable counterfeit
Admitted British/Kenyan citizenship at birth — Admitted
Hospital of birth — Three hospitals have some claim — 2 in Hawaii 1 in Kenya
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Kindergarten records – “lost”
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce – concealed by Obama — released by independent investigators
Selective Service Registration — Released – and proven counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released — investigation witness shot dead
Columbia University records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — “Lost”
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

It's not the same list, Buffoon.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

1. Judge Grey explicitly mentions that WKA case adresses case of citizenship, not the natural born citizenship.

2. Where shall we put the plaque commemorating the birth of a US president.
A village in Kenya is building a monument. How about Hawaii?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

1) Judge Grey explicitly states that a “Natural Born Citizen” is one born in the country. I realize reading comprehension is not your strong point, that is why I cut it down to just that paragraph…and you STILL have to prove your stupidity.

2) Already taken care of, Congress passed a resolution honoring Hawaii's addition as a state and being the birthplace of President Obama. Passed unanimously. Wasn't that nice, all of congress believes that Obama is a NBC and legal president of our United States.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

He is an usurper-in-chief, fighting for dismissal of eligibility lawsuits using the “standing” issue.
He knows that he cannot prevail in courts and prove a natural born US citizenship status.


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Actually, he knows he's the legal President and there's no reason to waste the courts' time, like Orly did to Judge Land. Besides, he doesn't have to prove he's legal…he's already in the WH. You want him out, it is up to you to prove he's not. Unless, of course, you don't believe in our constitution and laws. Then you can just keep spitting into the wind, because that's all your arguments are worth.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Particular quote is Collins' opinion.

If Orly loses a case, will her statments count as valid law in future cases?


Jim
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

If she gets to become a Judge, yes. Of course, nobody has to worry about that, just like nobody has to worry about delusional blowers ever getting a brain.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:04 am

The Ofraud’s supporters love to trot out newspaper ads as proof. We’ll here’s an article from Nairobi Kenya’s newspaper, the East African Standard, about Obummer’s Kenyan birth. This was in 2004 before Bill Ayers and his radical left buddies began re-engineering him and scrubbing the internet for evidence of his true background.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Code does not say that those citizens are eligible for presidency.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Mom let you back on the internets?

So, cap'n, before 2004 the internets were just chock full of evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, and Bill Ayers has miraculously managed to delete everything except this one article? Any theories on how he pulled that off?

And if newspapers are now evidence, might you give some credence to the two Honolulu newpapers that published contemporaneous announcements of Barack Obama's birth? Didn't think so.

Must suck to be you.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:18 am

1. Read the last paragraph of the WKA decision where Judge Grey explicitly mentions what the case was all about.

2. It is a non binding resolution. Its only “value” is to provide PR cover for Obama.
In addition, it does not mention the “natural born status”. This is your manipulation.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:22 am

Translation for the non-birfers out there:

“Wahhh!!!! The pwesident won't show me his birf sertfikat! He's a big 'ol comyunist yooserper meanie doodie-head! I want my blankey!”


Jim
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:22 am

1) Yep, about making the child of 2 foreigners a NBC. I know you don't like it, but it is used all the time in SCOTUS opinions about citizenship since it was written.

2) The very simple value is that the only way to remove a sitting President is impeachment…if all of Congress agrees that Obama is a NBC (see Senator Graham's comments) then you'll never get him removed. You'll have to vote him out, as it should be.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:53 am

The scum is out tonight. yawnnnn


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:53 am

More scum. More yawnnnn


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Thank you for proving my point.

You quoted Mr. Collins in order to define the NBC status.
Was he a judge when he lost the WKA case?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:01 am

As long as the public is informed that we have an usurper in the White House no formal removal is needed.
Dems will force him to resign on his own. Just like Nixon did.


Jim
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:07 am

Cool, you just wait for the democrats…before that we'll probably have a couple of elections. Then, the Democrats will nominate someone else in 2016. Maybe Hillary since the pubs like her so much.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Yes, but you have a right to be here so we don't say too much about it


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:30 am

Actually, yes, due to specific interpretations of the 14th Amendment a child born to illegal aliens is considered a natural-born citizen. It's actually an issue being addressed by Homeland Security as they're concerned about these kids sponsoring family members for US Citizenship.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:20 am

it was Collins argument before the court. The argument that lost the case.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:22 am

I ask for evidence, you say bufoon.
I ask for proof, you say moron.
I ask for intelligence, you say numb-skull.

Heresay, rumor, innuendo from you.
Game, set, and match to me.


Jim
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:22 am

So you agree that the NBC status that I quoted is correct?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code states the following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

•Anyone born in the United States.

•Any Native American or Native Alaskan born in the United States (provided that U.S. citizenship does not affect the person's status as a tribal citizen).

•Anyone born outside the United States to U.S. citizen parents, as long as at least one lived in the United States before the person was born.

•Anyone born outside the United States if one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year, and the other is a U.S. national.

•Anyone born in a U.S. possession if at least one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year.

•Anyone found in the U.S. before the age of five whose parentage is unknown, as long as proof of foreign birth is not shown by age 21.

•Anyone born outside the United States to an alien parent and a citizen parent who lived in the United States for at least five years (military and diplomatic service or dependency to be included in this requirement).

•Anyone born before May 23, 1934 to an alien father and a citizen mother who lived in the United States for any period.

U.S. Constitution United States law Constitutional law


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Afterbirther, citizen – native born citizen – naturalized citizen & Natural Born American Citizen are all forms of citizenship but only one (1) can hold the office of POTUS! That is one born of Blood & (not or) Soil! The Blood of one's parents (with a 's' meanibg both) American Citizens at the time of your birth & that birth on American Soil! If you group all 4 of these citizen groups together as if they are all the same the Natural Born requirement then becomes meaningless. Our founding fathers knew full well what NBAC meant, they knew they were not NBACs , thus “unless you are a US citizen at the time of the adoption of this constitution” was added. This is so simple unless you try to make it state something the founding fathers never intended it to mean. They wanted to keep foreigners out of our politics. Now we have one sleeping in our White House. Does the Constitution not exist in your mind?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Are you not paying attention? This is the U.S. Code. Very clear. I copied it. Words are from the code as follows:

Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code states the following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

•Anyone born in the United States.

•Any Native American or Native Alaskan born in the United States (provided that U.S. citizenship does not affect the person's status as a tribal citizen).

•Anyone born outside the United States to U.S. citizen parents, as long as at least one lived in the United States before the person was born.

•Anyone born outside the United States if one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year, and the other is a U.S. national.

•Anyone born in a U.S. possession if at least one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year.

•Anyone found in the U.S. before the age of five whose parentage is unknown, as long as proof of foreign birth is not shown by age 21.

•Anyone born outside the United States to an alien parent and a citizen parent who lived in the United States for at least five years (military and diplomatic service or dependency to be included in this requirement).

•Anyone born before May 23, 1934 to an alien father and a citizen mother who lived in the United States for any period.

U.S. Constitution United States law Constitutional law


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:57 am

Only if they keep the majority in 2010.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:57 am

No! It says;

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

NOT!

The following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

As the Hero Joe Wilson says – “YOU LIE!”


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:12 am

What, no spam? I guess you'll have to wait until tomorrow when WND updates it's talking points. After all, no one's ever accused a birfer of independent thought.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:13 am

legal BC my A. No one has came forward of ANY authority and said that particular photoshoped COLB not BC has been used to vet Obama. NO ONE. EVER! Something is hidden and locked up in Hawaii but NO ONE HAS SEEN IT outside of of the Jr officials in Hawaii that do not have the authority to vet Obama. They are not skilled in Constitutional Law and would not know a NBC from a wetback.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:31 am

If they did not realize the 1790 Act stated the facts wrong they would not have changed it back in 1795. This proves the true meaning of NBAC as it was intended by the founding fathers. C I T I Z E N is not the same as
N A T U R A L – B O R N – A M E R I C A N – C I T I Z E N – !


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:33 am

” YOU LIE! “


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:35 am

14th amendment has nothing to do with NBACs
just simple citizens.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:38 am

Before you start the long road down this blog study the differences between
citizen
Nationalized citizen
native born citizen and
Natural Born American Citizen
Some of the Obots aint got a clue!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:42 am

>>> right on! >>>


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Yea!, Congress passed a resolution saying McCain was a NBAC too!
Both BS and not worth the Chinese paper they were written on.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:00 am

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:01 am

You can't impeach a usurper! You arrest him for TREASON!
Then hang him!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Sec. 1405. Persons born in Hawaii

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. ADMISSION OF HAWAII AS STATE Hawaii Statehood provisions as not repealing, amending, or modifying the provisions of this section, see section 20 of Pub. L. 86-3, Mar. 18, 1959, 73 Stat. 13, set out as a note at the beginning of chapter 3 of Title 48, Territories and Insular Possessions.

Last modified: June 14, 2006


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:09 am

What a lying POS joke you are. . .not all citizens are “natural born.” Get your scummy lies away from here.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:10 am

You're right again. . .as usual. Thx Patriot.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:31 am

What kind of BS site is this? Go to a official “GOV” site this one rewrote the original post. I posted the real language below.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:36 am

Talking about simple “citizen” again NOTHING to do with a Natural Born American Citizen.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:06 am

The Cap'n is fairly lucid today; called me 'scum' and didn't even cut&paste it.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:08 am

“…and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:”

This is your idea, Code does not mention it.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:08 am

AP News item. Barry was born in Kenya.

Here’s an article from Nairobi Kenya’s newspaper, the East African Standard, about Obummer’s Kenyan birth. This was in 2004 before Bill Ayers and his radical left buddies began re-engineering him and scrubbing the internet for evidence of his true background. The Ofraud’s supporters love to trot out newspaper ads as proof. Here’s the real deal. AP News verified!

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:17 am

How can an opinion from a lawyer arguing a case be considered a law?
To point out a hole in your logic I used Orly because I know that you do not agree with her opinion. According to your logic, Orly's arguments in court will be used by other lawyers in the future as an example of established law!? That is what you are saying by quoting Collins and his opinion.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:24 am

You did not get my point about Collins. He was not a judge but an attorney arguing a case in court. Opinion of a lawyer arguing a case in court is simply an opinion. Nothing more and nothing less.
The only thing that counts is the actual court's decision.
WKA does not address the NBC issue – it gave the citizenship to children born in the USA whose parents are foreign born US residents.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:26 am

This time Cap'n stevie is SERIOUS. This is the SMOKING GUN which will bring down POTUS.
Any minute now.
I know, I know, the Cap'n comes up with a smoking gun every day or so, but this time he's confident
—–Gonna see a perp walk. Gonna see a frogmarch. Gonna see the Evil Usurper laid low, keelhauled and Klanmauled. This time it's gonna be different. You'll see, then you'll stop laughing at the Cap'n and his Deliverance-extra sidekicks. All of their impotent rage-rants will suddenly cease to be cheap entertainment and will retrospectively appear downright BRILLIANT
you'll see…


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:28 am

nawww. . .there's plenty of welfare scum like you to keep defending him. It'll take time.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:44 am

Party is over for OBAMA.

Obama Born In Kenya According To 2004 News Article

Apparently OBAMA supporters now have a lot of explaining to do to Judge Carter, Orly Taitz ( which is presenting it to him as we write ), and the rest of the AMERICAN PEOPLE:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2827

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

nh-obama.jpg (12114 bytes)
Barrack Obama

“It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was “truly outrageous” that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

“I feel for him actually,” Obama told a Chicago TV station. “What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody.”

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

“Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state,” she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, “There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere.”

—AP


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:15 am

Turn out the lights the parties over – – – Barry it's been nice knowing you, say hi to grandma back in Kenya, run for office, you're a Natural Born Citizen there. Tell them about the “change” you can bring “them”. But be careful, they don't put up with BS like we civilized Americans do!


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:25 am

The fat lady has never sounded so sweet! Keep spreading the news. Gotta make sure we get the word out so thoroughly they can't sweep it under the rug!

Bye bye Barry! No more Muslim usurper!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:27 am

captain you seem to be in a better mood. Every day's a good day some are just better than others. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but wait, it's a train and Barry is chained to the track. The name on the side of the train is Kenyan Change, Change we can depend on.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:32 am

Must be a touch of the Kenyan narcissist narcosis! I better take a break!

Keep the faith! ttyl


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:33 am

You were evidently not natural born as evidenced by the level of contributions you make to this board. You must have spend too much time in the birth canal or they took a look and tried to shove you back in.

Feast on excrement and cease all pulmonary/cardiac activity.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:07 am

Thank God! Someone finally posts an actual fact. I was beginning to think I was on a website for toddlers.

I searched the Associated Press for this article, and came up empty.
Can anyone find the article as submitted to the wire service?


msdaisy
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

So, let me see if I have this right. Birthers claim that BO was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya, or maybe Indonesia and that the BC issued by the state of Hawaii is a forgery, and the forged Kenya BC is actually the true BC. And even if he was born in Hawaii, which they claim he wasn’t he’s not a NBAC so still can’t be POTUS. Plus BO Sr. is not really his father, it was really Malcolm X, and his mother is not really his mother either. And because BO Sr. was a British citizen, BO Jr. is one too and not an American, but Malcolm X was born in Nebraska, but since BO Jr. mom is not his real mom, but is a felon and we don’t really know who his mom is he still is not a NBAC.

AND, he has multiple passports, SSN’s, and the WND (World Nut Daily) claimed he was not a citizen and that his BC was fake, then they said is wasn’t fake, then they said it was.

And all the birth announcements placed in the paper in 1961 were planted by his American grandparents so someday he could prove he was born there and be POTUS because his Kenyan Granny, who is not his actual Granny, said she was there in Kenya when he was born, but then she said she wasn’t.

And BO has spent up to $3.2 Million trying to hide the truth and the entire US Government, the state of Hawaii, the UK, Kenya, everyone at FactCheck, PolitiCheck and all the federal judges are all in on the conspiracy (that actually started in 1961) and Bo has an entire squad of brown shirts that intend to send anyone who steps out of line to BO’s secret FEMA concentration camps.

And the fine imposed by Judge Land is really to get money from birthers to help BO pay off his lawyers

And he’s really a British Muslim working with terrorists to take over this country and a Socialist and a Nazi who wants to guarantee abortions for all and death to seniors AND he isn’t even really black!

Does this sum up the basic accusations?

Damn, you people shouldn’t do so many drugs.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:05 pm

But I thought your most recent schtick, Cap'n, was conceding that BO was Hawaiian born but ineligible due to your interpretation of NBC eligibiilty. Gonna drop that nonsense for the moment because you're excited about a new Kenyan-born assertion?
This website has taught me a lot about tolerance for the mentally ill


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

Did you look next to the “Dewey Defeats Truman!” file?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

A “citizen of the United States at birth” is the same thing as a “Natural Born Citizen.”

your posturing and nonsense will never change that simple fact.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Typical hate filled lefty. Don't like the message, attack the person. Obama's thugs and racist haters would be proud.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Everybody knows something is fishy with Ozero. No wonder he's hiding his past with every thug he can hire.

Good people should want the the truth. . .nothing more. . .or less.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

He's not NBC. . .The two aren't related dumb@ss. Go get your welfare check.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

Some jokes just write themselves.

Posted by AXJ over at Examiner.com:

“Apparently thousands of birthers around the United States are organizing an emergency demonstration tomorrow in front of the White House in Washington, D.C. expecting Mr. OBAMA to resign immediately.”

I hope that all ten of them show up with signs, bullhorns, and scream themselves hoarse. That would be simply too funny for words.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

You left out a few:

American Native Citizen
Native American Citizen
Natural White Citizen
Unnatural White Citizen
Naturally Curly Haired Citizen
Undead Citizen
Unkempt Citizen
Jack Kemp Citizen
Barry Goldwater Special Citizen
Confederate States of American Citizen
Citizen Kane Citizen
Citizen Spam, Spam, Span and eggs, Citizen

I hope this helps


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Natural born = “by nature of birth.” = by right of birth”


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Wrong. . .Stupid welfare bum.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Like the old saying goes, “If it;s on AXJ, then it must be complete shit.”


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

For the person, and I use that word lightly, who has posted more nastiness when he can't come up with something resembling intelegance, your previous comment is laughable. You either spout “captainsteve 1 day ago The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.” or the stuff that follows. Talk about the pot calling the kettle! You demonstrate daily your lack of intellegence and your lack of maturity. You sound like a 7th grader. Your responses follow- and it is far from all of them. You are ignorant. And the only hate I have is for ignorance!

captainsteve wrote, in response to Antibirther:

Wrong. . .Stupid welfare bum.
captainsteve 11 hours ago nawww. . .there's plenty of welfare scum like you to keep defending him. It'll take time.
captainsteve 12 hours ago What a lying POS joke you are. . .not all citizens are “natural born.” Get your scummy lies away from here.
captainsteve 16 hours ago The scum is out tonight. yawnnnn
captainsteve 16 hours ago More scum. More yawnnnn
captainsteve 17 hours ago It's not the same list, Buffoon
captainsteve 12 hours ago What a lying POS joke you are. . .not all citizens are “natural born.” Get your scummy lies away from here
captainsteve 11 hours ago nawww. . .there's plenty of welfare scum like you to keep defending him. It'll take time.
captainsteve 1 day ago Why I'm not a stupid lefty-loser-libtard.
captainsteve 1 day ago You're right. The other 15% are obaNazis.
captainsteve 1 day ago You are a dishonorable POS sellout, just like most of Dingle Barry's supporters. Half the country rightfully believes that the truth should be known, and this should be put behind us.
captainsteve 1 day ago Too many errors to count. STFU. You're too stupid to even talk to me.
captainsteve 1 day ago I said STFU, stupid


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Mark my words: in the next few weeks the birfers will amend the conspiracy theory to include, ninjas, time travel, and hobbits because right now it's just not implausibly stupid enough.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

“Typical hate filled lefty. Don’t like the message, attack the person. Obama’s thugs and racist haters would be proud.”

Congratulations! You are now the most hypocritical birfer! After all, nothing is more hypocritical than a person who tosses around the names “Obummer” and “Ofaraud,” complaining about someone else attacking people…and to top it off, you finish your posts by calling people “thugs” and “racist haters.”

Orly’s other knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing followers would be proud.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

msdaisy, except for the spin you pretty damn much got it right! Good research!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

chris, check yourself in to a local mental hospital and have them examine you for acute denial of the truth.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

afterbirther, settle down, take your street meds and relax, you are spewing BS uncontrolled nonstop.

Natural Born = Born of Blood “AND” Soil – - -not “OR” Soil!


PaulG
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Every thug except you. Are your feelings hurt?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

afterbirth you are as dense as a anvil, What in the Hell good would the Natural Born clause in our Constitution be if “Natural Born American Citizen” was the same a simple “citizen”. It would make Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. meaningless. You have no facts just misrepresentations and outright lies.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Let's see if they can muster more attendees to this 'emergency' than the recent one ginned up to protest Obama's “indoctrination” of school children. It was such a lame non-event that Fux News chose to report on it after the fact, since there was no video-ready crowd to be filmed, and they instead had to (straight-faced, no less) report from the site where the prostest had allegedly taken place,once upon a time LOL
Birthers, here's a chance to wave your freak flag high: Go for it!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

You know, oldracistman, you may have a point; after navigating the Birfer mind these past weeks via these blog threads I am really questioning everything I ever thought I knew about human nature and the rightwing mind in particular. I just MAY need professional help by the time you Birfer freaks are done with me LOL


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Hey I got off the welfare dole when Obama started paying me to rebut your postings, so back off!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

You got this “thing” for the captain don't you?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Nope.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

This is a link to an article from Honolulu Advertiser from 2006.
It is about Tammy Duckworth, Dem party candidate for US Congress Seat in Illinois.

Scroll toward the middle of the page where you can find the following quote:

“..Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have “a kama'aina connection.”
Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively…”

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Antibirthers – will you report the page to the central command for more Internet scrubbing. I fully expect that the link will be gone from web very soon.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

…Denizen Citizen
Natural Bored Citizen
Organic & All Natural Citizen
Naive-born Citizen
Citibank Citizen
Ein Berliner Citizen
Unbleached white flour Citizen
Ku Klux Klitizen
OBE Citizen
Mos Eisley Denizen
Act Naturally Citizen


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

chris, not against you, just trying to get you to the light. Come join us it the quest to find the truth. No spin just truth. Let the cards fall where they may.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

You can't live on those wages! You're still on the Communist handouts for housing, food, street drugs with no taxes on them, transportation, emergency room medical care, condoms, and I bet your at the library on a state computer right now.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

There is an article printed by Honlolulu Advertiser in 2006. Check my post on top of the thread.

A Dem. party candidate for congres, Iraq war veteran Tammy Duckworth went to the same high school as Obama. Check what she had to say about Obama' birth.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Don't be jealous, oldracistman, but Cap'n is the most frequent 'flier' (in more than one sense) around here; but you're right up there on the booby-b-string, so don't despair you too could be a Birfer star—-you have all the right stuff
mood swings
rant/rage spells
no distinction between fact & fantasy
compulsion to save the world from a delusion-generated boogie man
hot for Taint z


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Obama's high school classmate claims that he was born in Indonesia:
It is about Tammy Duckworth, Dem party candidate for US Congress Seat in Illinois in 2006.

“…Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have “a kama'aina connection.”
Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively…”

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

“Nope” what kind of half/ass statement is that?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

From prlog.org

http://www.prlog.org/10376476-dr-orly-taitz-to-…

”Dr. Orly Taitz will be giving a radio interview on Providence radio station WARL AM 1320 with talk host Charlie Profit on the Charlie Profit Report Thursday October 15, 2009 at 3:30 PM. Among topics that will be discussed: President Obama's citizenship and whether he meets the minimum requirements to be President; a newly found Kenyan newspaper article from 2004 which states Obama is Kenyan born; and the document Dr. Taitz claims is a notarized copy of of Barry Soetero's (President Obama's birth name) Kenyan Birth Certificate. “

So, by your assumption that everything printed is correct, then Obama was really born in Kenya and his father was really Lolo Soetero.

Who’d a thunk it?

If some one wrote it, it must be true.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Nope, Obama gave me my own computer, and he keeps me stocked with GI speed (not the street stuff), that I may be ever-vigilant in the battle to keep the Evil Usurper in power and battle the , um, 'Patriots' such as yourself, John Wayne Jr.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

“Come join us”, the evergreen solicitation of the cult


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

We have a Dem party candidate for US Congress, high school classmate of Obama claiming that he was born abroad. Did Barry lie to her when they were in high school, or is he lying now?

There are three conflicting claims about his birthplace. Are you still against the verification of the original long form birth certificate?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

Great reporting! Just think old newspaper articles before the recent scrubbings will bring forth the truth. How many more are out there?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

Once a welfare bum, always a welfare bum.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

ex-military? I'd have never guessed. Didn't you swear to uphold the Constitution?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Does Dingle Barry act guilty?

If a driver happens upon a DWI road-stop, a normal honest sober person says sure and shows their license. Very simple. Issue over. But not Barry, he would get twenty attorneys, claim some manner of special privacy privilege, and resist every effort to get him to comply. Why would anybody fight so hard to hide the truth?

Criminals engage in all manner of tricks and evasions to keep the truth from being known. Generally, the more dramatic and energetic the evasion, the more serious the likely crime.

It's pretty obvious which behavior obummer has chosen. He's GUILTY!!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Brilliant, I must say, JUST BRILLIANT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWXHXL4DVdE

Glenn Beck Rocks. The phone is still there, are they gonna call to tell him his FACTS are wrong?

LOLOLOL


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

delusional
kama'aina means 'local' in Hawaiian, the opposite of foreign-born.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

delusional
kama'aina means 'local' in Hawaiian: in other words the OPPOSITE of foreign- born
jeez


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

Here's one:
http://jillosophy.blogspot.com/2008/06/african-…

Links have been scrubbed, but you see the MAIN page!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

What does the following sentence in the article say?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

Why do you ignore the following sentence?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

it amounts to making no sense.
Look up kama'aina yourself, Birfer; don't take my word for it


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

what does kama'aina mean?
Look it up, birfer


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

AXJ Rocks posted a Kenyan article. I asked if this was an Associated Press article.
I repeat: Can anyone find the article as submitted to the wire service?

If not, I classify this as unsubstantiated hearsay.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

The article clearly says that Duckworth was born in Thailand and spent her childhood years in Southeast Asia.

For a Honolulu newspaper, the local connection betweeen Chicago residents Obama and Duckworth is through a common experience in a local (Hawaiian) high school – not the common place of birth.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

The article makes no sense using the Hawiian term for LOCAL: as such the writer of the article was queried about this, since numerous Birfers having been googling up a storm of late: surprise! he admitted that he could attribute no such assertion to Ms Duckworth and accepted full responsibility for the mistakes.
By the way, back when GW was running for office in Texas, many in the media mistakenly assumed he was born in there. His first couple of congressional-race opponents would pursue correction, but eventually the media got with the facts. And they knew a lot more about the Bush clan then, than anyone knew about Obama when this article (which you are so exercised about) was published. I know its hard to wrap your Birferbrain around—please give it a try…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

The article clearly says that Duckworth was born in Thailand and spent her childhood years in Southeast Asia.

For a Honolulu newspaper, the local connection betweeen Chicago residents Obama and Duckworth is through a common experience of attending a local (Hawaiian) high school – not the common place of birth.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Do you have a link to the retraction article, or is ot just a hearsay?
Even, if we accept your explanation at face value, it clearly illustrates that details about Obama's birth are fuzzy, since journalists quoted different birth countries (USA, Kenya, Indonesia).

Bush analogy is weak at best – no journalist ever claimed Obama was born in Illinois.

“Birthers” ask nothing more than to verify Obama's long form birth certificate stored in Hawaii DoH.
What is there to hide if Obama was indeed born in Hawaii?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

I AGREE!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Yup, they're in it to the end. Even when he's booted OUT of office, they will still be here saying “But, he was born here”


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

hahaha, say goodbye to Obama's News Channels…
We will be taking care of them on Saturday…perhaps they will start showing the ACTUAL news!

http://www.operationcanyouhearusnow.com/


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

lolol, they really hate our FACTS! I don't think I would have the PRIDE to believe any longer, must less still be 100% for him and defending him they way they are, after all the facts that haven been posted here.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

There's one from 04 as well, stating the same thing…

http://jillosophy.blogspot.com/2008/06/african-…


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Why would anybody fight so hard to hide the truth? That’s becoming pretty obvious; he's GUILTY!!!

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:26 am

Pretty amazing. Having Mao as a favorite person is as bad or maybe worse than Hitler.

Obama has some sick friends. I thinks 100% by preference, not vetting error.

Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:29 am

“Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!”

ALL TRUE! LOVE IT!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:30 am

You make no sense, EVER. Go away!


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:45 am

For sure. . .no one can say I don't give him a fair shake either. After all, I did say “former” coke head. That's the only part I'm not 100% certain about! :)


msdaisy
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Ahhhh, the sounds of desperation!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:50 am

That's been out since around June 2008 before everything was scrubbed. I viewed it with a UP header but will have to rediscover the string. If i get it I'll post.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:11 am

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:56 am

No baby, the thrill of victory! & I bet his feet don't feel so good right now.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Worse cap'n, far worse. That's like bedding down with the Rotten Rodham and Sotomayor at the same time. A man should be hung for that.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:02 am

cap'n are you smiling?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:03 am

Where did all the Obots go?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:10 am

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/411…

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:11 am

They're off getting their marching orders for the new newspaper links and how to hide and suppress the truth. Did you take a look?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:13 am

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/411…

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:15 am

They're off getting their marching orders for the new newspaper links and how to hide and suppress the truth. Did you take a look?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:26 am

Ok, Cap'n: I'm sure THIS ONE is the smoking gun you've all been waiting ever so patiently for
it's just gotta be…right?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:29 am

Hey scum. . .u can keep polishing ur turd, but it wont help.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:32 am

I'm just wondering how Obama can possibly concentrate on his job, what with the distraction of having to peek at this thread every 5 minutes, every single day to apprehensively check & see how close the Cap'n and his crew are coming to his sinister secrets.
Must be killing the poor guy with the agonizing suspense!
Every day…so much closer…to Birfer Victory
We keep hearing how the game is over—-must just be a drill


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:47 am

You know chris Judge Carter has not dismissed that little case yet.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Wow Cap'n, that's classic projection——–considering how long you've been polishing this here Birfer hardon!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:50 am

I guess you've sent out the victory party invites?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:55 am

Give me your address and I'll drop you a victory party invitation as soon as we get a new election scheduled.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:28 am

Orly's word in response to fine, etc.
“How much criminal activity do they need to cover up, for them to attack me so viciously,” Taitz wrote:
In regards to Judge Clay Land, his outrageous decision to sanction me $20,000 for repeatedly bringing eligibility issue, shows how far this regime will go to harass and intimidate attorneys who dare to question Obama’s legitimacy.
Anybody with half a brain in his head understands that if judge Land really believed that my law suits were frivolous, the easiest way to prove it, would be to order discovery. If Obama is legitimate, he would’ve shown proof of legitimacy. The fact that this judge decided to try to intimidate me with $20,000 of sanctions instead of ordering Obama to spend $10 on a copy of his hospital birth certificate and a hospital birthing file, shows how corrupt this regime is, how many in federal judiciary are aiding and abetting this massive fraud perpetrated on each and every member of US military and each and every citizen of this country. That is a sign of a dictatorial regime, of tyranny.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 10:27 am

Let me answer something for all you bird brained Birthers. You continually ask to be shown the LONG FORM. There are three reasons you will never see that. 1. The BC that Obama has already been produced IS in fact a legal State issued BC. 2. It has already been verified by the State of Hawaii as authentic and accepted by the US Government as valid. PERIOD. And 3rd, even if Obama DID produce all the hospital records of his birth from the moment his mother entered the hospital to the time of her discharge with baby Barrack, every single one of you without exception would claim that all the documents were forgeries, so what would be the point? GET IT! It would be pointless because you people are just like the witch hunters of Salem Mass.

Your delusional “evidence” is nothing but wild accusations and insanity. Orly and the rest of you are certifiable! Judge Carter is no more going to take this shit to court than Judge Land did and every one of you are headed for a huge disappointment when he boots this crap out of his courtroom. And Orly is steadily on her way to either jail for contempt or to disbarment or both.

Now I’m sorry to say I won’t be around to watch the fun for the next couple of days, I have to go out of town, and just in case Judge Carter issues his slap down before I get back just let me say in advance; “I told you so!”

Have fun, see you Sunday!

Daisy :)


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:07 pm

Damn Daisy :), You never answered my Question – It you had undeniable prof that Barack Husein Obama was ineligible to hold the office of POTUS would “you” release it?


msdaisy
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

If any such proof ever existed, McCain (and or Hillary) certainly would have uncovered it before the election, and rightfully so. As it was all they had was “Paling around with terrorists”, which was also BS. And believe me, the competence level of his “team” of investigators makes your people look like a bunch of Beeves and Buttheads!

The facts speak for themselves; there is no such evidence, only hearsay and forgeries.

By now, have to catch a plane!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

daisy — “YOU” would you release evidence that proved Barack Hussein Obama was ineligible?


vrajavala
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

it's not a BC, daisy. It's a “Certification of Live Birth”. Read it. It can be obtained on testimony by hearsay testimony of someone born out of the country.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

–it's not a BC, daisy. It's a “Certification of Live Birth”. –

Wrong, it is the official and ONLY certified birth record issued by the state of Hawaii.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

—It can be obtained on testimony by hearsay testimony of someone born out of the country—

Wrong again.

The state of Hawaii is not in the habit of creating birth records for people born outside of this country that states that they were born here.

The COLB is the official and legal birth record. It is prima facie evidence that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu.

There is nothing you can do or say to dispute that fact.

Certainly there is not a court in this country that would NOT accept it as proof that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu.

Deal with it


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

She is deeply delusional. I feel for her family.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Is the OMG moment here yet?


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Obama defenders don't want to seek or admit the truth. Obama’s story includes three different hospitals.

1) He said in his book “Dreams from his Father” that he found his birth certificate. Hawaii said they have it. Lets see it!

2) Stop the legal blockade; authorize Hawaii to release whatever they have.

The factcheck COLB has been questioned for many reasons.

OBAMA VERY LIKELY IS COMITTING THE BIGGEST FRAUD OF ALL TIME!!!

Read this if you REALLY want to know all about it go to the following http and www website.

friktech.com/2009/born.pdf


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

The suit Orly Taitz filed was to halt the deployment of a Captain in the U.S. Army, pursuant to an overseas deployment order from the Captain's superior, commissioned Army commander (not President Obama). The judge correctly concluded that the federal courts generally abstain from interfering in the military chain of command. What specific part of Judge Land's reasoning is incorrect?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Lean harder on that capslock key. It will make your posts more persuasive.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

More proof of a coordinated Obama citizenship/background cover-up, and the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper is part of it.

For days I’ve been posting the following news article where Tammy Duckworth, who claimed to know Obama well (and now on the payroll), says Obama was born in Indonesia.

The article states (14th paragraph),

“Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.”

The original article and quote can be seen here.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Duck…

But in the last day or so (Oct 16,2009) the Honolulu Advertiser scrubbed it clean. That quote has been removed. They sanitized article. The new sanitized cover-up version can be seen here.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

How is it that our “history” can be so easily re-written? I remember when we used to criticize the USSR for re-writing their history to suit their political desires. We are doing it in America NOW!!

People need to be screaming bloody murder. Write to everybody you know. Let them know we're not going to take this anymore!


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

BREAKING NEWS – October 16, 2009.

Washington D.C. (AP) The Supreme Court of the United States just reversed the 1948 presidential election. In a shocking 5 to 4 decision, the court ruled that the Chicago Tribune headline “Dewey Defeats Truman,” was sufficient proof that Dewey did in fact beat Truman. “It was published in the paper, therefore it had to be true,” said Justice Clarence Thomas. Neither Dewey or Truman could be reached for comment.

Well there you have it, another hot story off the AP wire.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

<font size=”+3″ face=”Times” color=”red”>
HOW ABOUT ALL CAPS IN BIG, BOLD, RED LETTERS?
</font>


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Is it hard being such a dumb@ss, or are you just gifted at it?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Is your but still stinging from the whupping you got over at Salon.com yesterday?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

You are the original, so you should know. BTW, posting the same post two or three times each does not make it more believable.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Auntie, please tell more of happenings over at Salon.com—


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Dumb b**t Oily Taters filed a lawsuit saying one thing and then tried to argue a different case in court. What was most telling to anyone in the judiciary was in the first case that she wanted to keep arguing even after Major Cook's orders were rescinded because the commander in Afghanistan said he didn't want that major in his command- keep his butt in the U.S. He had a war to fight and didn't need the drama. Being that Cook was a reservist the Army decided they didn't need him at all, so long, bye bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Taters doesn't have a clue about legal rules, legal arguments, proper procedure or anything else she is supposed to know as an attorney. She doesn't get that as the plaintiff she is supposed to bring the proof to prove her case. She doesn't seem to understand she is being sanctioned for her behavior of saying whatever she wants in the courtroom without the least bit of evidence, stuff she is pulling out of thin air that have no basis in fact. She says the president has more than one social security number but has no basis of fact to back that up, that he was born out of the U.S. but doesn't have any certified proof, while the president has posted a lawful certificate of birth from Hawaii that has been verified by Hawaiian officials time and time again. It says he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. If he were born elsewhere it would have said so. They have the proof, what the president has shown is a true and correct document that Hawaii now gives out to anyone requesting a birth certificate. You don't get anything else.
Oily Taters is being sanctioned for being a bad attorney and refusing to follow the rules of the court- for not responding to the judge's order to show cause and for instead of doing what she was supposed to, calling the judge names and calling him a traitor and pronouncing him guilty of treason because he didn't rule the way she wanted him to. I am not an attorney but I know you can't ignore a judge's orders. Especially after filing a lawsuit in his court. The ruling was great reading. Did you read it? It proves OILY IS AN IDIOT. I guess the saying that a person who represents herself has a fool for an attorney fits in this case. She should have retained valid, experienced counsel if she could get anyone to represent her.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Now that's persuasive!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

Welcome – you are 100% right.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Wouldn't know. Haven't been back. Don't give a rip about you idiots. I get bit of a kick out of watching you waste your time.

:))


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Oh great; please don't encourage Cornhole


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

i'll be there–and I'll make a fortune with the video footage I'll shoot there…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

The fake spinmaster strikes again. This is one of your better ones. Guess it's easier when you don't have to really lie. No matter how good one is at it, lying puts stress on one so they act differently. Stick to comedy and leave lying to the experts like Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and Rodham.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

http://letters.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

cap'n I've been wondering about this Duckworth, Indonesian angle. Kenya ain't Indonesia, but young Dunham traveled around a lot on somebody's dime. Young willing White girls must have been popular. She very well could have gave birth in Indonesia and then later arrived in Hawaii and got a type 3 COLB. (for those born outside the Islands). That's a new twist that needs to be twisted further.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

Make up a sign to go with your camera:

“Show Your Taitz”


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Run out'a “t”s?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

cap'n your double chin's showing!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

salon, what a bunch of brain dead Jr. Obots all praying to their master alone together.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

“young Dunham…Young willing White girls”
“…needs to be twisted further.”
Sorry oldracistman, but I don't think you could be twisted any further: you are plenty twisted


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

Wrong!, You have lying breath of rabid dog. (Ye Lo Dog 1324)


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Wrong! (read Ye Lo Dog below)


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Everybody feels for others families, are your folks doing OK?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Wrong, her suit was to stop deployment because the Commander in Chief was a usurper, therefore there was no chain of command. bearclaw, the last 10 months have been without standing, nothing in America has actually meant a thing. No law or bill signed, on treaty signed, nothing has meant a thing. We have not had a eligible President or Commander in Chief in charge. When we finally get this all straightened out we will have to go back to January 20 2009 and start over.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

I’ve noticed that that is a root issue with people like OMM. The fact that a young, pretty white girl had sex with a black man bothers them. A lot.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

I'm saving hem up for you eabaggers.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Hay I don't have red caps Azz Whole!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

YOU CAN READ CAPS WITHOUT GLASSES, it takes glasses to read this!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Bingo


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:49 pm
chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Yes, oldracistman we understand your contention that you do not recognize the authority of the President; you have made that abundantly clear. What you don't seem to understand is that there is no middle ground in this premise. If you are correct then there is no reason for Orly to go to court. There is no reason to stop for red lights. There is no reason to pay your mortgage. There is no reason for any member of the military to obey any order.It is just another chapter from the Turner Diaries, which I imagine suits you to a T.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

Your reply to Cap'n is like Obama's records-


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Yea chris Anarchy always seemed to be a nice way to live. Without laws you can eliminate your enemies before they do unto you and once the initial adjustment period takes place all the bad guys would not be a problem. Too many criminals get protected by the system today. Such is to dream.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Keyes Barnett transcript now available:

http://bit.ly/3Aq05z


captainsteve
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 12:32 am

Keyes Barnett transcript now available:

http://bit.ly/3Aq05z


bearclaw
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 1:00 am

And it is hilarious. Orly is incoherent, and Gary Kreep arrived at 9:30 a.m. for a hearing that started at 8:38 a.m. (and was scheduled for 8:30).


bearclaw
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 1:06 am

People voted.

Electoral College voted.

Chief Justice Roberts swore Obama in.

Yes, we have a President and Commander-in-Chief.

But taking it from your point of view, do you believe that no officer in our Armed Forces has any authority to order a subordinate to do anything at all, because the President is “illegitimate”?

Sergeant: Private, hit the deck and give me 50 pushups.

Private: Don't hafta, cuz I think Obama was born in Kenya.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Coming from a high school drop-out on welfare, that's quite an accusation. You ought to STFU and crawl back in your hole.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:47 am

Obama has a way out of this. He could do the honorable thing and resign before any indictments making Biden the legal president. Biden could then pardon Obama of treason, falsifying documents, etc. Everybody wins except then that goofy Biden would be our prez. But oh well.
Judge sets court date in 'birther' case filed by Wiley Drake
By Bob Allen (from The Examiner)
Thursday, September 10, 2009
BUENA PARK, Calif. (ABP) — The so-called “Birthers” claimed a small victory Sept. 8 when a federal judge set a tentative trial date of Jan. 26, 2010, for a lawsuit claiming that President Obama is constitutionally ineligible for his office.
“We won again,” Wiley Drake, a former second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention, said of the ruling by federal judge David Carter. Drake is one of several plaintiffs in the lawsuit alleging that Obama cannot hold his office because he does not meet the constitutional requirement that the president be a “natural-born” citizen.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 9:06 am

bear, Orly's closing was great, emotional, impassioned, and all this from a type written page. Wish I could have heard it. Gary closed real well and made some real good points, I think he helped Orly and he certainly didn't hurt.
What got me was David tried to lead them into a position of standing over and over again. He wanted them to give him what he needed to proceed with this case. The DOJ was lame as if they had their hands tied or maybe they knew not to mess with David. Anyway their points were just not relevant. A fool would know you can't impeach a ineligible President that has never been legally in office. Man when this house of cards falls, it will take a ton of people with it. It will be a New America! Kinda like the 50s, Mom, Apple Pie, and the Flag.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 9:22 am

bear, you walk into a bank hand over a note to a teller saying it is a stickup, get a bag of money and split. You buy a New Car and park it in your New House you just bought. Here come the cops take you and the money that's left to jail. Do you think you get to keep the house and car?
Can you hire a lawyer with the rest of the money? Hell NO! Your A$$ is gone!
As for commander in chief, we are technically under anarchy right now with a false figurehead we really don't have a government. That's why we need to fix this problem ASAP!


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

Good post AXJ, reading through it we can clearly see Judge Carter is a practical man and right from the get go he has West tell him how it would work in Arnold Schwarzenegger ran for President and West concedes it would end up in Court just like this case has.

At minute 08:50 West concedes this Court has Competent Jurisdiction and there would be standing. Orly has won.

At minute 08:59 Orly starts right, this is not about impeachment, that is only for an eligible candidate and legitimate President and Obama might not be. Well done.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case of Quo Warranto. Well done.

At minute 09:03 Orly goes for the jugular and states this is a legal question of constitutional law, not a political nor congressional matter so therefore they are out and this is a Court of competent jurisdiction. Well done again.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction since there is no Res Judicata tried on the merits. Brilliant.

At minute 09:17 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case when there is a violation of the Constitution. Brilliant again.

At minute 09:39 Orly explains to Judge Carter that the Secretary of the State of California did not verify Obama's eligibility. This is a grave matter. Well done.

At minute 10:00 Kreep asks Judge Carter to issue the appropriate Subpoena. Well done.

At minute 10:50 Orly explains to Judge Carter how Osama Bin Laden can win a Presidential Election with the help of the King of Saudi Arabia. Sad but true.

At minute 10:55 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction and the American People have the right to enforce the Constitution. Well done.

At minute 11:24 Kreep sums it up for Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction. Well done.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Good post AXJ, reading through it we can clearly see Judge Carter is a practical man and right from the get go he has West tell him how it would work in Arnold Schwarzenegger ran for President and West concedes it would end up in Court just like this case has.

At minute 08:50 West concedes this Court has Competent Jurisdiction and there would be standing. Orly has won.

At minute 08:59 Orly starts right, this is not about impeachment, that is only for an eligible candidate and legitimate President and Obama might not be. Well done.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case of Quo Warranto. Well done.

At minute 09:03 Orly goes for the jugular and states this is a legal question of constitutional law, not a political nor congressional matter so therefore they are out and this is a Court of competent jurisdiction. Well done again.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction since there is no Res Judicata tried on the merits. Brilliant.

At minute 09:17 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case when there is a violation of the Constitution. Brilliant again.

At minute 09:39 Orly explains to Judge Carter that the Secretary of the State of California did not verify Obama's eligibility. This is a grave matter. Well done.

At minute 10:00 Kreep asks Judge Carter to issue the appropriate Subpoena. Well done.

At minute 10:50 Orly explains to Judge Carter how Osama Bin Laden can win a Presidential Election with the help of the King of Saudi Arabia. Sad but true.

At minute 10:55 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction and the American People have the right to enforce the Constitution. Well done.

At minute 11:24 Kreep sums it up for Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction. Well done.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Nude pics of Stanley Ann Dunham in the summer of 1961 reveal she was not pregnant.

This one is catching on like wildfire.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4YFhK87NXPE/SamoRZtXP…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Your legal analysis is superb.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Keep your photoshop porn predilections to yourself, perv.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Mom, Apple Pie, the Flag….and Birfer porn


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

You disgusting piece of cr *p. Posting pictures of a woman who died of breast cancer and cannot defend herself or affirm or deny the authenticity of any photos or as to when they were taken. Only a disgusting cretin who is good for nothing but flushing down the toi let would do something like that. I hope the president and his sister and any other living relatives come after you so hard you won't have a pot left to p**s in. What a piece of filth you are. If this doesn't prove to all that you guys are nothing but trash and racist A**H* O*L ES than they are incapable of thinking.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Hence, your Turner Diaries dream…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 2:35 am

Got something against art photos? Or is it just the subject matter?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 2:39 am

No photoshop there! That's for the COLB chris. I do wonder where he got them. Maybe someone on the inside is starting to enjoy public notoriety and have an old shoe box full of interesting stuff. Bring it on!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Your true nature was always there; I'm just glad you've dispensed with the pretense of civility and decency. The real you makes a lot more sense than the one who pretended there was anything patriotic or ethical involved in his behavior.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 4:03 am

true nature? pretense of civility and decency? real you? patriotic or ethical? Me?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 4:48 am

The full transcript of the latest court proceedings in the Keyes v Obama case (judge Carter) can be found here:

http://www.scribd.com/full/21189922?access_key=…

To antibirther law experts: You can read how Orly did first hand – could you do better job in the courtroom?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Relax – it is only an image on the web. It does not prove that pictures are real and not the creation of a Photoshop artist.

I give them zero credibility, equivalent to the image of a COLB document posted on the “fightthesmears” web site.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 5:14 am

She did just fine, Kreep closed on top of it too.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 5:50 am

The problem, whether they are real or not, is not only the piece of crap that would post something like this, but Ms. Dunham has very real grandchildren that are of an age to be online and classmates who are online. These are not in a place minors are unable to get to them, they are out there under her name where, if they don't yet, they will be coming up with a search engine. Not all classmates of these children are going to be Democrats and some will have heard parents talking about them. There is a real chance that her grandkids could end of coming across these pictures and not know if they aren't real or not. This kind of stuff doesn't just go away once it is on the net. That and the fact that doing something like this is a despicable act. This poor woman is dead and is unable to defend herself or her family. Absolute crap would do this. Sick buggers.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:06 am

Actually the judge kept saying “you haven't answered my question of standing”. The “standing” she kept arguing wasn't valid. And if it went so well why did they come out talking about how “Obama must have got to the judge”?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:30 am

Some interesting reading for the NON believers

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soet…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:32 am

lololol


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:33 am

AMEN Brotha!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:34 am

Hmmm, don't give them any ideas. Lets have a revote!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:36 am

Throw em all back in Romney, Paul, McCain, Hillary, Huckabee.

Who would you choose?

Remember the Kenyan-Born, isn't a CHOICE this time:
http://jillosophy.blogspot.com/2008/06/african-…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:37 am

They tell people don't so that shit, it will wind up on the internet.
Go figga


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:39 am

No, but it makes it more seeable


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:42 am

Your tax dollars at work (in Kenya):

http://www.politicalarticles.net/blog/2008/11/0…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Hey, that's the village where Obama was born, imagine that!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 8:13 am

So, Obama says himself in his book that he traveled to Pakistan in 1981. Pakistan was under Martial Law in 1981.

April 1979, the United States cut off economic assistance to Pakistan, except food assistance, as required under the Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, due to concerns about Pakistan's nuclear program.

In 1981, Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. One of the leaders that based his operation in Quetta, Pakistan was Usama Bin Laden (The Sheik).

Obama stayed at the home of a prominant politicial…hmmmm

http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/11/29/obama-pa…

whoaaaa…
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

you, Carter hired a Lawyer from Obama's 2 million$+ law firm 4 days before the hearing. Now is that a strange thing to do or not?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

Obots “click it” you might learn something. I like her better with cloths on!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Red we wouldn't let them get away with that! We want to go back to square 1 and start over! & McCain can't play this time seeing the crap the Senate passed is BS. After everybody has spent a year learning constitutional law and the definition of Natural Born, McCain will have to settle for Senator or Governor like Arnold.
Guess it will be Sarah and somebody. Who Knows?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 12:24 am

A mere 4 days before the hearing, huh? Sounds like Obama's pretty sanguine about the whole Birfer carnival if he barely got around to having a lawyer show up. Barely worth the bother when Orly is demonstrably capable of blowing her own case without any help from the opposition LOL


Anteni
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

Your story is get more convoluted as your grip on reality slips. After nearly fifty years a picture just surfaces. I wonder where they were several months ago. Sound like birthers are getting desperate.


Jim
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

WARNING: It's fine to argue with the blowers, I promise you it's funny. However, I recommend you do NOT click on any of their links. They have been proven to be just wild theories and forged documents. There have also been reports of viruses attacks from these sites. As you can see from their posts, they have nothing but BS to offer and dismiss real evidence as if it didn't exist. Also, by clicking on their sites you provide them with more advertising dollars, since the number of clicks determine their pay rates. Besides, if they really had anything worthwhile it would be on FOX news and not only in their imaginations.


Anteni
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

Why do you continue to present things that have been proven false. It is easy to do the research on Pakistan to prove you wrong. The dates are wrong. The facts are wrong. There are people who would be suspicious, and do their own research.


Anteni
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

Isn't a main source of “wild theories” Fox news?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

In 1981, Pakistan and the United States agreed on a $3.2-billion military and economic assistance program aimed at helping Pakistan deal with the heightened threat to security in the region and its economic development needs.


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

Just have the hearing and trial already! If he has proof, it will end the argument. If he does not, he can always go back to Kenya. In either case, it will end the dispute and cost both sides a lot less money.

That being the logical approach, why does the prez not want to do it? On the other hand, using the legal strategy of dragging out the process, one only has to look at which side can strong arm contributors with deeper pockets.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

Why?

You have no authority to go to trail and hold a which hunt.


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

That's a foolish position. If taken to it's logical conclusion, once a person becomes prez, no one can question what he did before. Seig Heil!


Guest
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

How to identify nutcase conspiracy theorists: the more they are proven wrong, the bigger “the conspiracy” becomes. You are no different than the 9/11 truthers, the Tri-Lateralists, the Holocaust deniers — all believe that they are part of the special few who really understand. And when things don’t go their way, it is always because of the vast conspiracy to hide the “truth.”


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

What's the point in harassing the president with frivoulous lawsuits?

So far, the birthers have nothing to support thier claims and it is up to THEM to prove thier claims, not the president to disporve them.

Furthermore, there are clear criteria that need to be met in order to file a lawsuit and so far the birthers have met none of them.


Guest
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Judge Carter repeatedly had to ask Orly to answer his questions. Orly wanted to talk about whatever Orly wanted to talk about. And look at the transcript: Gary Kreep arrived at 9:30. But asking you to read the whole transcript is pretty unreasonable.


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

How can his birth be disporved (whatever that is) if they don't come to trial.

It must be wonderful (or awful) to have such blind faith that you cannot deal with questioning.

BTW… Global warming is a scam too. ;-)


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Larry, the burden of proof is on the birthers to prove that he was not born in Hawaii. They have absolutely nothing to support this claim other than a photocopy of a document supposedly obtained by a person who happens to be a convicted forger. The forger claims he obtained it through bribery of a foreign government official.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Larry wrote: ” It must be wonderful (or awful) to have such blind faith that you cannot deal with questioning.”

It must be wonderful (or awful) to be unable to see past your own bias to reality


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Ok, prove to me what DATES are WRONG in my comment! Prove to me what FACTS are WRONG in my comment.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Actually, you got that line, from the SAME article that I got my facts from, so you would have seen, everything that I put in MY comment. LOSER!

Oh, and the part in YOUR line that was stressed IN THE ARTICLE was “HELPING PAKISTAN DEAL WITH THE HEIGHTENED “THREAT” OF SECURITY IN THE REGION”((MARTIAL LAW)


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

Well, there's more than that, but you wouldn't accept it either. His passport when he traveled to Pakistan, docs from his college showing him a foreign student… yes, they did get those.

Besides, for what he is doing to us, it's great fun. ;-)


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Oh Yes! listen to jim, DO NOT READ THE TRUTH! It destroys his LIES!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Larry the burden of proof is on the usurper to prove that he is a Natural Born American Citizen. There is a court that will find the true facts on the 26th of January. But we don't need the trial, discovery will end this communist coup.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Birthers calling normal people 'foolish' is pretty damn rich.
You can question the President all you want: you'll just have to do it from the peanut gallery in your carny freakshow. You aren't automatically afforded legal standing for every tinfoil-hat accusation & claim you feel compelled to make.
Go ahead & make 'em right here, then watch the mocking commence!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

Larry, “they” now call it climate change, they can no longer call it warming since it has been proven that the Earth has gotten cooler for the last 7 years. Brain Dead Idiots that will believe anything and vote for anything.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

Oh my! LarryMiller is here to debunk all of our misapprehensions—he says Obama ISN”T the messiah and that global warming is a scam. How could we have been misled so easily? Next thing you know, we'll find out the President is a Kenyan/Indonesian and LarryMiller will once again say 'told you so'. It's a good thing you're here to straighten us out, buckwheat


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Not nearly as much fun as mocking Birfers


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

The Communist usurper owes it to his employers (We The People) to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is truly a Natural Born American Citizen born in America to two American Citizen parents at the time of his birth. He Can Not Prove This because, IT IS NOT TRUE!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

You have to be foolish or down right stupid to stand up for this Communist usurper, and antiAmerican as well.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

“which? hunt?” typical Obot.


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

It looks like I struck a nerve with the kool aid drinkers. Obviously products of our public school system. One was right, it isn't warming… the nature of nature is that it is constantly changing, are we arrogant enough to believe we are stronger than nature. Yes, foolish is the word.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Sue me. :)


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

No, he was not born to two American citizen parents. But, that is not a requirement to be a natural born citizen.

He was born in the United States ( Hawaii). That IS a requirement to be a natural born citizen.

That is the long and short of it.

Your poor attempts to redefine terms that have had consistent legal meanings for over three centuries is pathetic and useless.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

LOL, yeah, you struck a nerve all right. The funny bone nerve. LOL LOL LOL


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

I bet Larry believes in Chemtrails.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Don't hold your breath.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Yeah, Dennis Miller's brother thinks he's got us all twitter-pated because we haven't heard his hackneyed denier spiel a thousand times


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Unlike all the others you listed – birthers can be easily proved wrong – Where is the long form birth certificate?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Unlike all the others you listed – birthers can be easily proved wrong – Where is the long form birth certificate?


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

I often wonder why it bothers people so much that the Obamessiah is being checked up on. Although, it probably can bother them too much since there are sending in the third string with mocking rather than dealing with issue. ;-)


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

LOL, do you really think that people care that much about what you do or say? Hah!

If it wasn't for the entertainment value you offer, you birthers would have been off muttering by yourselves in a dank corner of the basement months ago.


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

You seem to care. ;-)


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

Ah, it's gotten cooler. That must explain why they been able to sail the northwest passage lately.


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

He is a citizen if he was born here. However check the definition of natural born… two citizen parents. Don't bother coming back with an answer until you've done your homework.


Guest
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Oh, so you don’t think Holocaust deniers can easily be proved wrong, when there are survivors alive today who can and do testify to exactly what happened in the Nazi death camps? Yet the deniers persist, and they see the conspiracy as vast. Obama has provided proof of his birth in Hawaii, but just like the other conspiracy theorists, you birfers will never be satisfied with the proof. The conspiracy grows to defeat any proof.


Guest
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Oh, so you don’t think Holocaust deniers can easily be proved wrong, when there are survivors alive today who can and do testify to exactly what happened in the Nazi death camps? Yet the deniers persist, and they see the conspiracy as vast. Obama has provided proof of his birth in Hawaii, but just like the other conspiracy theorists, you birfers will never be satisfied with the proof. The conspiracy grows to defeat any proof.


Guest
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Oh, so you don’t think Holocaust deniers can easily be proved wrong, when there are survivors alive today who can and do testify to exactly what happened in the Nazi death camps? Yet the deniers persist, and they see the conspiracy as vast. Obama has provided proof of his birth in Hawaii, but just like the other conspiracy theorists, you birfers will never be satisfied with the proof. The conspiracy grows to defeat any proof.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:51 am

You are right, the Holocaust should not have been placed with other two categories.
I should not have used the word “all’ in my previous post.

Here is the revised version:
“Unlike first two that you listed – birthers can be easily proved wrong – Where is the long form birth certificate?”


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:51 am

You are right, the Holocaust should not have been placed with other two categories.
I should not have used the word “all’ in my previous post.

Here is the revised version:
“Unlike first two that you listed – birthers can be easily proved wrong – Where is the long form birth certificate?”


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:51 am

You are right, the Holocaust should not have been placed with other two categories.
I should not have used the word “all’ in my previous post.

Here is the revised version:
“Unlike first two that you listed – birthers can be easily proved wrong – Where is the long form birth certificate?”


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

3rd-string is what you tinfoil hat folks warrant. I know you fancy being taken seriously by someone in a position of notice, but who could care about your 'mission' other than aficionados of the Freakshow in all it's warped carny splendor?


LarryMiller
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

No, fool, it's a carbon fibre hat to protect me when you get so frustrated you start throwing things. ;-P

You can rant and carry on all you want… I don't like kool aid.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

“If he has proof, it will end the argument.”

That is what you wrote a couple of hours ago. Now you have demonstrated why it will never end the argument.

Obama's father was not an American citizen. Obama admits that. If your argument is that his father's citizenship disqualifies Obama from the Presidency, you need no “proof.”

If President Obama provided a birth certificate proving Hawaii as his place of birth (as I believe he has, but you obviously do not) it doesn't end the argument. In fact, various sects of birferism have plenty of theories to keep the argument going forever:

(1) President Obama is not the “real” Barack Obama. So no matter what the birth certificate says, and who it says his parents were, we can't know for sure who the man in the White House actually is.

(2) Ann Dunham wasn't Barack Obama's real mother.

(3) Barack Obama Sr. wasn't Barack Obama's real father.

(4) Even if Barack Obama was a “natural born citizen” at birth, he lost that by (somehow) becoming an Indonesian citizen.

(5) Even if there is a valid birth certificate, it may have been corruptly obtained (bribery back in 1961 in order to create records proving his birth in U.S.)

There are more. But you cannot in good faith argue that providing “proof” ends the argument. You are like the nutcase 9/11 truthers. You are convinced you have secret knowledge and understanding. You will never let go of that, because it is too much a part of your identity.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Birfer: don't bother pretending you want a serious answer.
As soon as the Birfer gets the answer (which he really didn't want) he just changes up the dialog from LBC to passports & Pakistan, to nude photos, to 'scrubbing', to cocaine, to Islam—goes on & on. It's not about answers; just accusations


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

I'm the audience: entertain me, Birfer


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

sounds like something you read in a fortune cookie—or was it a Michael Crichton book?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

Yawn. . . .

Sorry, but you lose.

the status of your parents has nothing to do with being natural born.

Saying it does won't make it so.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

We had nothing to do with those pics but no one has denied them nor has any legal action been taken against the author or the publisher of the pics so they must be true. At this point they are legal evidence and Judge Carter will receive them as evidence.1961 pics showing she was not pregnant. Going to be hard to explain.

Looks like Orly will present the pics.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

We had nothing to do with those pics but no one has denied them nor has any legal action been taken against the author or the publisher of the pics so they must be true. At this point they are legal evidence and Judge Carter will receive them as evidence.1961 pics showing she was not pregnant. Going to be hard to explain.

Looks like Orly will present the pics.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

You are totally delusional.

(1) Judge Carter will dismiss.

(2) In order for photos to be admissible, two things are necessary: first, they have to be relevant. If the purpose of the photos is to prove that Obama's mother posed nude, they aren't relevant. Second, the photos have to be authenticated. That means that someone has to be able to testify based on personal knowledge about the where the photos were taken, who is in them, when they were taken, and that they are not altered.

(3) You keep saying they are from 1961. How do you know this? I see nothing on the photos that indicates the date.

(4) You have stated on several posts that the photos were taken “on the beach” and in the “summer of 1961.” The photos are indoors. There is a Christmas tree with presents under it, and a sign on the wall to the woman's right saying “Merry Christmas.” Please explain how that squares with the photos being taken in the summer, whatever the year. If the photos are of Ann Dunham, and were taken in December 1960, she would have been at most one month pregnant.

Not hard to explain. But I know from experience (i.e., having posted this information before) that you are too scared of the facts to actually reply to any of this.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Orly brings Birfer porn into a court of law. That seems to make perfect sense to a Birfer—kind like a dog eating its own vomit—-ever notice how it makes perfect sense to the dog?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

“looks like Orly will present the pics.”
Better advise her to clean the smudges and disgusting stains off first


bearclaw
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

“It's logical conclusion” — spot your error, if you can. Typical birfer.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

“If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty I would do so. I like to think that I am a gentle man, but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.”

“Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

So said an honest man, to those who were not.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

You need to write a new treatise on Evidence. I wasn't aware that the fact that the fact that a photographer hasn't been sued made his or her photos admissible as evidence. What authority do have for that proposition, or did you just pull the concept out of your butt?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

If that creature is dumb enough to try and present nude pictures purported to be Ann Dunham, she had better have some ironclad proof as to who they are and precisely when they were taken or she will find herself thrown out of that courtroom so fast the door won't have a chance to hit her. Bringing in pictures like that, declaring they are the presidents mother, without very solid evidence to prove it, would be one of the stupidest things she has done in this exercise of stupidity. I wouldn't breathe a sigh of relief yet that no one is coming after all those involved in putting those pictures out there in the cyberworld. It's still early. There is plenty of time. I do believe the FBI can be involved, and than you have the Secret Service and the Justice Department. Any or all of them coming after those responsible will be taxpayer dollars well spent, as opposed to the money being wasted by a bunch of bogus lawsuits.

And to those claiming the president has spent millions on attorneys, why am I only seeing Justice and JAG type attorneys in the court transcripts? Those are civil servants, not hired by the president.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Yes, a “which hunt.” As in “which stupid theory will the birfers rely on?”

(1) “Born in Kenya” theory.
(2) “Born in Indonesia” theory.
(3) “Born in Hawaii” but “converted” to Indonesian theory.
(4) “Father was a British subject” theory.
(5) “Father was a bigamist” theory.
(6) “Father wasn't really his father” theory.
(7) “Mother wasn't really his mother” theory (also known as the “Nude Indoor/Beach Christmas/Summer Photo theory)
(8) “Father wasn't his father AND mother wasn't his mother” theory
(9) “Not from this planet” theory (you really have to read Judge Land's order imposing sanctions!)
(10) “Barack Obama is really Barry Soetoro and no one with that many foreign sounding names could really be President” theory
(11) “Dick Cheney was in on the conspiracy because he failed to say the magic words” theory
(12) “Second swearing-in was secret and illegitimate even though it was televised in full” theory.
(13) “I found this document from a reliable link on AXJ/WND” theory

Which theory will the birfers rely on? A “which” hunt.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:42 am

'Fall of the Republic' Trailers Exposing NWO Mafia Eugenics Crime Syndicate

Pretty freakin scary:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ExomatrixTV#p/u/3/F…

Just a youtube video people, no viruses to worry about!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:48 am

“If he does not, he can always go back to Kenya.”

For some reason, that cracked me up…lolol


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:49 am

“trail” typical Obot.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:51 am

All of the above, til he's PROVE legal!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:53 am

USURPER MUST GO!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:54 am

AMEN!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:55 am

You are wrong. A natural born citizen has 2 US citizen parents, whether they are natual born or naturalized, makes no difference but US citizens, is a MUST!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:56 am

LOLOLOL
They just don't listen. They call you a liar. All they hafta do is do a little research!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:58 am

But proving it does, WILL!
It has everything to do with it. You telling me that Ahmadinejad can come over here and father a son with and American woman and have him run for President? UH UH, couldn't happen.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:59 am

All those things you talked about are true. Disprove them!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:03 am

Is that you David Axelrod? LOLOL I know you're here somewhere, which one are you?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:04 am

You are just here for the clean up, you know that?
You are just an internet janitor!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:05 am

Wow, you mean we're smart and FUNNY? Thanks guys!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:21 am

Afterbirther you are lying or you are truly a idiot!
You can't tell the difference between simple citizen and Natural Born American Citizen. Read John Jay for christ's sake!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:38 am

you need a hazmat suit with all this Obot BS!


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Just have the hearing and trial already! If he has proof, it will end the argument. If he does not, he can always go back to Kenya. In either case, it will end the dispute and cost both sides a lot less money.

That being the logical approach, why does the prez not want to do it? On the other hand, using the legal strategy of dragging out the process, one only has to look at which side can strong arm contributors with deeper pockets.

Should Orly present the pics to Judge Carter?


Majority Will
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

More idiotic drool from Sam Sewell?

Freak.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

I’ve seen some smart monkeys. Never seen a intelligent janitor in the last 40 years!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

You're right: you're the monkey flinging sh*t, and I guess I'm the janitor—-compared to a lower primate, the janitor is a genius!


Antibirther
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

— — —

That agrees with what I was saying. Born a citizen = natural born citizen.

How about Alexander hamilton's version”

No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Which one of the two versions madi it into US Constitution?

The second statement makes it clear that two phrases “natural born citizen” and
“born a Citizen” are not the same.

If the intent was to make those born in the US eligible for US presidency there would be no need to use the additional word “natural”. Yet the word is there in the US Constitution.
It tells us that the intent was not to restrict those eligible for US presidency to those born in the USA of citizen parents.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Damn you're dumb, “Foreigners” the usurper is a “Foreigner” He is a British subject foreigner. The same foreigners we went to war against when they wrote the Constitution.
Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War? Turn in you Obot ID and go home!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Your claims about Pakistan circa-1981 are patently false. Americans travelled unimpeded in and out of the country. What you charcterize as “Martial Law” is actually status quo in a country that has seen chronic military coups and very few elections throughout the last half century.
Fact of the matter is, in 1981 Pakistan was enjoying particularly warm relations with the US due to their cooperation with US assistance to mujahedeen resistance to the Soviet occupation next door in Afghanistan. Your point about Bin Laden’s presence at the porous border between Pak & Afgh IS factual. It is a well known fact that the CIA had extensive contacts with him as he sponsored the anti-Soviet resistance. For a factual history of this story I recommend “Ghost Wars” by Steve Coll
Your reliance on Birfer-produced alternative histories of the universe will get you & Orly nowhere in the fact-based world.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Your claims about Pakistan circa-1981 are patently false. Americans travelled unimpeded in and out of the country. What you charcterize as “Martial Law” is actually status quo in a country that has seen chronic military coups and very few elections throughout the last half century.
Fact of the matter is, in 1981 Pakistan was enjoying particularly warm relations with the US due to their cooperation with US assistance to mujahedeen resistance to the Soviet occupation next door in Afghanistan. Your point about Bin Laden’s presence at the porous border between Pak & Afgh IS factual. It is a well known fact that the CIA had extensive contacts with him as he sponsored the anti-Soviet resistance. For a factual history of this story I recommend “Ghost Wars” by Steve Coll
Your reliance on Birfer-produced alternative histories of the universe will get you & Orly nowhere in the fact-based world.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Put down the bong and read some non-birther, factual histories. I would love more Birfers to back you up on this BS—-as if their credibility could possibly sink lower…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Put down the bong and read some non-birther, factual histories. I would love more Birfers to back you up on this BS—-as if their credibility could possibly sink lower…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

careful, oldracistman, your comment could be construed as tacit acceptance of the theory of evolution—that could get you lynched by the Birfer Brigade!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

careful, oldracistman, your comment could be construed as tacit acceptance of the theory of evolution—that could get you lynched by the Birfer Brigade!!!


Antibirther
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21368635/DOC-29-Rhode…

Orly filed an appeal to Judge Land's fine.

Oh, the birthertainment never ends.


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

The question I have is…what the heck did she appeal. She didn't contend a single point in Judge Land's order. All she did was keep on the same nonsensical BS she's always had. I wonder if an appeal of a sanction can be call frivolous? Maybe she's going for 30 grand?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

He wouldn’t even have to have a child with an American woman. If a woman gives birth to a child in the USA, that child is automatically a U.S. citizen. So yes, that child could grow up & run as President, as long as he doesn’t relinquish his American citizenship.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

Read Judge Land, for christ's sake!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

“that being the logical approach…” ——from a Birfer???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


chrisjay
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

You are irrational and inconsistent with yourself: in earlier posts you have conceded that BO is a citizen, just not eligible to be POTUS. Now you claim he is a “Foreigner” You are one confused little racist, aren't cha?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

NWO Mafia Eugenics Crime Syndicate
Isn't that the name of your dope-smokin' Rasta husband's reggae band?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Why would Judge Carter want to see nudie pics of your mom?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Presumed guilty until proven guilty. Nice legal system you have their in China, comrade.

Why do you so despise our system of government?


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

Another one bites the dust. Kerchner v Obama, dismissed, no standing. Imagine that. Okay Orly, you’re next! Though I believe yours will be a bit more severe than a simple “dismissed”, since you have continued to slander Judge Land after he imposed a fine and found you guilty of contempt.

In her notice of appeal she did everything except call Judge Land an asshole and tell him to piss off. LOL! She called him bias, outrageously prejudice, she accused him of intimidation and threats, and she also called his remarks nothing short of a political lynching!

Yep that’ll go over about like a big old smelly fart in church!

(BTW, I'm back! My trip was very nice thank you, but it's damn cold in Canada!)


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Okay all you anti-birthers, I just read AXJ Rock’s post yesterday that Orly will probably present those nude pics of Obama’s mother as evidence to Judge Carter. And by all means I think she should present those pictures. Judge Carter will shit himself in absolute disbelief I’m sure. I mean of all the other crackpot evidence they have isn’t shit compared to that smoking gun!

Come on now don’t you see that this is “real” evidence and they may actually “get” somewhere with this movement if they present those pictures to Judge Carter, and I think we should all have the good grace to encourage them on this one! Orly really needs to show those pictures to the Judge! Don’t you all agree??


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 1:38 am

hahahaha


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Pfftt, what’s that from your cracker jack constitution? Sorry, but you must be a natural born citizen, having 2 citizen parents…

Mannnn, get with it would ya!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Niiiice, the Virtual War Room! Check it out people, we need your help to stop Obamacare!

http://www.freedomworks.org/online-war-room


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

No one is reading your crap, it's a waste of time!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

You read it


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Actually, I didn't…I saw your name and just scrolled down to the comment box.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Yes you did, and you read my last post too, and now you’re reading this one. AhHaaa, Busted!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Fucking TROLL!
Mannnnnnnn, you are un underestimater…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Awww dangit, I'm missing Glenn Beck…

Later posers and trolls, can't miss the MAN!


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

I happen to like trolls so I wouldn't call you that, but you are obviously mentally challenged because the best you can come up with is curse words. Truly intelligent people don't need such words as that. I certainly hope you, lies, are unable to reproduce. Don't need any more like you running around this earth. If you already have children, hopefully DCS will be removing them from your presence. They shouldn't be subjected to the type of parenting your would obviously be providing.

MsDaisy- I read and appreciate your comments. Keep them coming. Oh, and I agree, Oily should take those pictures to court and claim they are the presidents mother. I believe she would be out of that courtroom so fast the door wouldn't have the opportunity to hit her on the way out.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 1:37 am

lololol another Jim POSER…FUCK OFF!

Thanks but my children are grown and out on their own. Raised perfectly fine, I might add.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 1:37 am

She's got much more evidence now!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 1:49 am

Gosh, all she did was point out that you birfers lost again. As you will continue to do. Get used to it.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 1:57 am

The case was frivolous, and dismissed because the claims presented were clearly nonjusticiable — i.e., even if the factual allegations were true, the court doesn't have the authority to grant relief. “Evidence” is irrelevant.

And you can't present new evidence on appeal. The appeal is based solely on the record established in the trial court.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Hope they aren't the angry racist you are. Those kind have a tendency to die of heart attacks or apoplexy or stroking out because they see things they hate and can't do anything about! Like a black man in the White House! You and Oily Taters! Too bad your parents didn't feed you a few more bars of soap when you were young to clean out that mouth. But I'm no Jim and I'm staying here, at least as long as you are!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 2:38 am

lolol
Grab yur popcorn and enjoy the show!

Oh and if you read waaaaaay, you will see my proof that I am not racist. Might even be another article.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 4:28 am

When Judge Carter grants discovery she will have all she needs to shove that $20,000 right up Land's Clay!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 4:55 am

declawed, He has to prove he is Constitutionally eligible to hold the office of POTUS. That is the law! We do not have to prove he is not eligible. He has to prove to We The People that he is eligible. He does not “Rule US”, He Serves US”! Who do you think you Obots are talking to? Other ignorant Obots? How far down the IQ scale has America fallen since the underclass got into politics?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 5:02 am

When Orly gets discovery in Carters Court she will show Land where to stick that $20,000! She Appealed!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

No dear, it’s from the US Constitution, specifically the very first line of the 14th Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

As you can see, it says nothing about the parents of the person born or naturalized in the United States needing to be citizens. That’s why there’s been such a fuss on the right (especially on Lou Dobbs’s show) over “anchor babies”.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

No dear, it’s from the US Constitution, specifically the very first line of the 14th Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

As you can see, it says nothing about the parents of the person born or naturalized in the United States needing to be citizens. That’s why there’s been such a fuss on the right (especially on Lou Dobbs’s show) over “anchor babies”.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Brilliant! It’s now online, so it MUST be true! LOL!!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Brilliant! It’s now online, so it MUST be true! LOL!!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

judge land is an Idiot didn’t you read his decision? Should be disbarred!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Illogicgrrl, the 14th amendment has nothing to do with Natural Born. It deals with “citizen”
there’s “citizen”, “naturalized citizen”, “native born citizen”, and that one special constitutional required status to be able to become a legal President of the United States and that requirement is to be a “Natural Born American Citizen”. Why in the world would we classify citizens by all these different titles if they all meant the same thing? The only time being Natural Born is required is to become President and later by amendment VP. You stupid Obots want to protect your Communist goD, but give it up, America knows the truth now and the gig is up. When ICE hauls his usurper A$$ back to Kenya or possibly England you can go there and kiss his usurper A$$! Quit trying to destroy our America with your lies and false idol worship!


Jim
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

‘Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States;

Well, what do you know, SCOTUS says a native-born american CAN become President. Maybe they know more about this than you Oldfart?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

logicgrrl 1 hour ago SAID

“No dear, it's from the US Constitution, specifically the very first line of the 14th Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

As you can see, it says nothing about the parents of the person born or naturalized in the United States needing to be citizens. That's why there's been such a fuss on the right (especially on Lou Dobbs's show) over “anchor babies”.”

Yes Dear,

A citizen, is NOT the same as a Natural Born Citizen.

Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;

I don’t believe it would have mattered to the founding fathers if Obama was born in Hawaii or NOT, but since Obama was governed by the British Nationality Act via his Father, and the founding fathers had just fought a bloody war to rid themselves of British influence. To assume they would have allowed a British citizen at birth to become Commander In Chief of the US armed forces is to disgrace the blood of the patriots who earned this nation’s freedoms and liberties by their very lives.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

You clearly haven't thought that point thru very well, Corny: can you not imagine how many colonists in the 1770's had British-born parents? All colonists at the time of the War of Indepedence were BRITISH subjects. Including George Washington.The very patriots whom you claim to respect so much were not citizens of the United States—–such a country did not exist at that time.
About as factual as your bulls**t about Pakistan circa-1981. Birfers love to rewrite history: it's the only way they can even begin to square their delusion with the real world.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

And moreover, if one parent is a U.S. citizen, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14.

That sentence alone proves that she could not have gotten that Hawaiin birth certificate, at the time of his birth, because she was not old enough!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Hellooooo, That's what the grandfather clause was for, IDIOT!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Helloooooo, I'm not talking about the grandfather clause, I'm talking about your freestyle speculation about how the era's colonists perceived one another, born as they were on both sides of the ocean, clown. I'm not talking about the technicalities of citizenship, for crying outloud.That's another discussion altogether but I imagine you are genetically incapable comprehending the distinction I'm making. What was I thinking ? LOL


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Natural born is someone who was a citizen at birth, like the president. Someone who is NOT a natural born citizen, like Arnold the Terminator, cannot be president. Someone born here can. That's why no one with power objected when he was running to become the democratic candidate. President Obama never exercised any other rights to any other citizenship he may have been entitled to at birth. He would have had to taken action after reaching his age of majority. A parent cannot do anything to the citizenship rights of an American born child and since the president did not seek to have any “dual” citizenship, it isn't an option to him. He is an American citizen and nothing else. He only lived for a short time out of this country as a very young child, and that was not in the country of his fathers birth. Even if he had been adopted by his stepfather ( there is no information that happened), they could not have taken away his American citizenship that he was entitled to as a natural born American citizen. He is completely eligible to be president, which is why he is and no one with the power or authority has ever said anything different. The director of Hawaii's Department of Health has said she herself examined the original on file and the president was born in Hawaii as has been stated. In a hospital, with doctors signature, not just on the say so of some relative. It was filed as it was supposed to be. No one gets anything other than what has been pictured at factcheck.org. Those are pictures, not scans, that show the actual document, the folds, the embossed Hawaiian stamp, making it official. It lists his place of birth as Honolulu, Hawaii. He is a natural born citizen. He is president. This continued birther movement is actually increasing his approval ratings because reasonable people see that this continued birther movement must be based more in race, even though no one wants to admit it, and they are fed up with that. So keep it up folks. You are also growing government, because the Secret Service is going to have to expand to keep up with the crazies threatening the president and other public officials, the court system cannot do it's work because of Oily Taters running around the country filing lawsuits that are dismissed but none the less take the courts time and the FBI is now having to investigate even more people that may be a danger to our government and our country. These rants that some of you go off on are not “lost in cyber space”, they still run software on all these bits and bites flying through the air that hits on key words that indicate possible terrorism, so better believe some of you all have posts that are flagged. I love it. You digging yourself holes and you don't even realize it. And you are helping the presidents approval ratings. Gotta love America!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

So, even if he was born in Hawaii to a mother who was an American citizen, he isn't eligible. Anyone who has dual citizenship at birth cannot be eligible to be the President?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Hey, Cornhole, that rule applies only when the birth occurs abroad. If he was born in the U.S., of course he is a U.S. citizen and can have a Hawaiian birth certificate.


logicgrrl
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;

You say that a citizen is not the same as a natural born citizen, but yet the first line of Article II, Section 1 say both are eligible.

Also, do you realize that ALL of the Presidents up to Van Buren would not have been eligible to be President by your logic? Martin Van Buren was the first born after the US was founded, all other Presidents before him were born in the colonies, which were British soil.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

That's the problem with these tin foil hat wearing idiots. Logic bounces right off of their heads. There's no arguing with them because they have no logic. But you're right, bearclaw, anyone born on US soil is a natural born citizen. The other rules apply only to births that occur in other parts of the world where one or both parents are citizens. And this word 'natural' is from the very beginning of the definition to define those that were born at the adoption of the Constitution. It's not used to define a citizen that runs for president.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

No wonder you're delusional.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Not if when he was 6, he was adopted by an Indonesian. Indonesia recognizes dual citizenship for children, but NOT adults. So at the age of 18, he would have had to make a choice, between the two. Considering he went to Pakistan in 1981 and was a guest of Mian Muhammadian Soomro, the caretaker prime minister, so, it was highly unlikely that he used and American passport, to enter Pakistan. He more likely used his indonesian passport, because he was Indonesian! Indonesia and The US were on the outs in 1981 and Pakistan was under Martial Law. Makes total sense!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Your comment isn't even worth reading, mainly because of the first sentance. It is completely WRONG! Go do some studying and come back when you know a little more!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 1:26 am

That's is bull. It is for births occured abroad and it reiterates the constitution with the “providing” clause, which also is the same for a natural born citizen!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:22 am

You don't know how to answer a question, do you?

Is anyone who has dual citizenship at birth ineligible to be President? Yes or no.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:30 am

Sorry charlie, but I've done more reading than you probably seen. In Jr. High I read the entire library and I haven't stopped over the years. I really liked reading about history, especially American history.

Just because you don't want the black man in office doesn't mean you're right. And just because you like to use curse words and try to dismiss everyone else's opinions doesn't make you any more correct, cause you're just plain wrong.
You guys are so far off base, you are embarassing republicans. That's pretty hard to do the way they behave these days.
But it still comes down to this- President Obama is president and he will stay that way. He is entitled to the office because millions of people voted for him and he is a natural born citizen of the United States. Just having him is office has raised our stature with the world at large and we are seeing things happen in this country that needed to happen long ago. Did you hear- the president got a nice raise in pay through for the military?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Hello, if it didn't matter who someone's parents were or where they were born, they would have to add in “No person except a natural born citizen”. And Hello, that is why they added in the grandfather clause saying “Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” to add in the Presidents, that you are talking about!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:42 am

no


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:43 am

FYI, I am married to a black man, as proven in one of the articles.
So, KISS OFF, Idiot!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:12 am

I don't accept your proof that you are married to a black man. I think you're just a liar about that “fact” as well as so many you've posted here


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:23 am

Doesn't mean you can't be racist. My spouse is black and I'm not. So? I've known lot's of racists- of all colors. And if you are indeed a woman who is married to a black man, why is it that you have such a hard time seeing President Obama in office?


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:38 am

There is a great webpage that's kind of a Presidents/Constitution made easy kind of place that details a lot of information in one place. They are presidentsusa.net and usconstitution.net. They have great info.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:20 pm

LMAO!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

Sorry Oldtimer, he doesn’t have to prove anything since he “IS” the elected President. ALL burden of proof falls upon the “birfers”

Here in America, it’s “INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY”


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

Really? Did you stand up for the Office of the President during Bush’s Administration? Clinton’s?

Standing up for the Presidency does not mean you have to support the policy’s of the elected person in the oval office. Nor does it make one Anti-American.

Nor is an Elected President a Usurper.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:20 am

Your argument makes no sense.
Why would the US Constitution contain the phrase “natural born citizen”? It could simply say “born citizen” to fit your definition.

The natural born citizen = born in USA of citizen parents.
You see how a simple explanation makes sense.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:29 am

Natural born citizen = allegiance to only one country at birth.
Born in the USA of citizen parents.

A dual citizen at birth is not a natural born citizen, therefore not eligible for US presidency.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:35 am

Please educate us, which passport did Obama use for travel to Pakistan in 1981?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

You can believe whatever you want, I could really care less. I know I am not even 1% racist and as long as I know that, what you think, makes no fucking difference to me.

I don't see why on Earth I could be upset about his policies, SINCE HE'S BEEN SO PERFECT! What a fucking joke.

Did ya hear the bitch say that the stimulus bill, has done it's job. It has done what it's supposed to do. Pffttt, another fucking JOKE. 3 million jobs lost NOT GAINED, as he promised. Unemployment going over 10%, after he said it wouldn't go over 8%, as long as we passed it. FUCKING LIE!

He is a total fucking joke, the way he is going after FOX news. This is fucking damage control, because he sees FOX news is getting closer and closer to proving what a Lowlife Bully Thug, him and his people are. Everyone around his is tainted and it is all coming out and he can't stand it, that is why he is at war with Fox. He's got all this other shit going on and he is worried about a news organization. DAMAGE CONTROL, he is going DOWN!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

Ahhh Hahaha! Orly Taitz, a fraud, a liar, and adulterer! Okay birthtards, by Orly’s own (so-called) legal logic she is “Guilty” until proven innocent. AND Here is the evidence!

Read it and weep!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

And here all this time I thought Natural Born meant not Cesarean… ;)


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

Hullloooo, look what the idiot is doing to our country. They are working on disarming the public, so that we can't fight back, once he starts attacking the people.

He has taken over the banks, the auto industry and now going after the internet, the media and the worst of all YOUR HEALTH!

They are trying to shut down the media, the ones that don't do what he TELLS them. He is censoring the internet. He is putting all these thugs, throughout his administration. His spending is “OUT OF CONTROL”.

He doesn't see that most of the American people, are against this healthcare bill, yet he continues to push it.

He is a URSURPER and he needs to GO!


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:19 pm

There will never be discovery until the Plaintiff's can actually prove standing and justicability. Case after Case is being dismissed because there is no standing, no justicability.

Judge Carter is going to dismiss this one too.


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:30 pm

He's a nut too. “Orly told me to lie, but here is my false evidence anyway”

This just gets better each day!!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

What other parts of Constitution, which conflict with your theories, do you want to erase?

“Natural born citizen” is not the same as “born citizen”, no matter how much you try to spin it.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

You are just speculating on the US passport, there is no proof. Mine speculation is as good as yours. Being an Indonesian citizen (by adoption) he could have easily obtained their passport and used it for the Pakistan trip.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

What is yor interpretation of the phrase “natural born citizen”?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Born in the USA (Hawaii was a state at the time) to a US parent (She was a citizen at the time of his birth in a US Hospital). Citizenship conferred from mother to son. Case Closed.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:11 pm

So, what you're basically saying is you and NC know the laws better than the Chief Justice of the SC. Yeah, right. We continue to see your stupidity again and again.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

The whole pointof inserting the “natural born citizen” phrase into US Constitution was national security, there was a concern that we must not allow a foreigner to become a commander of the US military.
When the framers of Constitution talk about natural born citizen – they never mention a parent – it always comes as plural: parents.

Could you point out to a single reference that defines the term the way you described it?


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

NC, you do realize that was written over 200 years ago, don't you? You do realize that they spoke different back then than we do now, don't you? But, here's the kicker, the Chief Justice of the SC believes he is a NBC and if he didn't believe it would not have sworn him in. The only thing that makes no sense here is the delusions that blowers continue to hold onto.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

Probably american NC, since there was NO travel restrictions to Pakistan at that time. Why, you going to make something else up to say he couldn't have used his american passport?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:18 pm

Note this part:

”Attorney Orly Taitz asked me to upload and play, on my Youtube channel, http://www.voutube.com/user/lnspectorSmith. an illegally recorded conversation of a scheduling conference that took place on September 10, 2009 in downtown Los Angeles, California. Those physically present at the conference were the renowned Charles Lincoln lll, Peyton Freiman, the honorable US Attorney David Anthony DeJute and myself (Lucas Smith). Attorney Gary Kreep was present telephonically.”

If Orly is allowing Charles Lincoln, a disbarred lawyer, to negotiate for her as claimed above, then she is in direct violation of the State Bar association of California’s rules of professional conduct.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

NC, can you point to a single reference that defines the term the way you describe it. I keep showing you SCOTUS that says it, you keep saying it with nothing to back you up. So, as far as the world is concerned, you are wrong until you can prove different…which you never have and never will. Blowers are such fools!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

NC, can you point to a single reference that defines the term the way you describe it. I keep showing you SCOTUS that says it, you keep saying it with nothing to back you up. So, as far as the world is concerned, you are wrong until you can prove different…which you never have and never will. Blowers are such fools!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

NC, can you point to a single reference that defines the term the way you describe it. I keep showing you SCOTUS that says it, you keep saying it with nothing to back you up. So, as far as the world is concerned, you are wrong until you can prove different…which you never have and never will. Blowers are such fools!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

MCCain was not eligible either.
Both parties nominated ineligible candidates.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

MCCain was not eligible either.
Both parties nominated ineligible candidates.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

MCCain was not eligible either.
Both parties nominated ineligible candidates.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

LOL, “BITE ME” LOL


msdaisy
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Yea right you birthtard, not as far down as Orly went on Charles Lincoln! So how does it feel to know you leader is a lying slut that is also spending all the money you donated for her fine on $300.00 lunches? Can we say…. Sucker!!!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Yea right you birthtard, not as far down as Orly went on Charles Lincoln! So how does it feel to know you leader is a lying slut that is also spending all the money you donated for her fine on $300.00 lunches? Can we say…. Sucker!!!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Yea right you birthtard, not as far down as Orly went on Charles Lincoln! So how does it feel to know you leader is a lying slut that is also spending all the money you donated for her fine on $300.00 lunches? Can we say…. Sucker!!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Sucker??? Orly Deserves $1000 lunches for what she is doing!
And 7 days a week, I might add!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Sucker??? Orly Deserves $1000 lunches for what she is doing!
And 7 days a week, I might add!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Sucker??? Orly Deserves $1000 lunches for what she is doing!
And 7 days a week, I might add!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Yet you can’t answer simple questions for me. Why? What are you hiding? Why is it you have such a minimal understanding of our laws and constitution? What country are you really a citizen of NC?


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Yet you can’t answer simple questions for me. Why? What are you hiding? Why is it you have such a minimal understanding of our laws and constitution? What country are you really a citizen of NC?


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Yet you can’t answer simple questions for me. Why? What are you hiding? Why is it you have such a minimal understanding of our laws and constitution? What country are you really a citizen of NC?


msdaisy
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Don’t you mean “who” she’s doing???


msdaisy
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Don’t you mean “who” she’s doing???


msdaisy
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Don’t you mean “who” she’s doing???


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Send me the $20 grand cornylies, and I promise I’ll tell you the truth. Come on now, you said you had it. Don’t you want to know the REAL truth? You keep screaming it in cap letters, all it will cost you is $20 grand.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Send me the $20 grand cornylies, and I promise I’ll tell you the truth. Come on now, you said you had it. Don’t you want to know the REAL truth? You keep screaming it in cap letters, all it will cost you is $20 grand.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Send me the $20 grand cornylies, and I promise I’ll tell you the truth. Come on now, you said you had it. Don’t you want to know the REAL truth? You keep screaming it in cap letters, all it will cost you is $20 grand.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

6 year olds cannot apply for citizenship…

You have no facts to support your outlandish and disproven claim. He’s an American Citizen, born in Hawaii and Elected as your president.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

6 year olds cannot apply for citizenship…

You have no facts to support your outlandish and disproven claim. He’s an American Citizen, born in Hawaii and Elected as your president.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Uh huh, change the subject. Hey, is this Eric Holder?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Uh huh, change the subject. Hey, is this Eric Holder?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Uh huh, change the subject. Hey, is this Eric Holder?


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

So, now you’re saying that the children of servicepeople born overseas and not on a US base are ineligible to run for President? I think you may want to reconsider that if you want them to continue to defend our country and constitution, unless you like making their kids second-class citizens.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

So, now you’re saying that the children of servicepeople born overseas and not on a US base are ineligible to run for President? I think you may want to reconsider that if you want them to continue to defend our country and constitution, unless you like making their kids second-class citizens.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

So, now you’re saying that the children of servicepeople born overseas and not on a US base are ineligible to run for President? I think you may want to reconsider that if you want them to continue to defend our country and constitution, unless you like making their kids second-class citizens.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Falsly elected!
Even the election was fraudulent, due to Acorn. Have you seen the latest?
People that didn’t vote, find out someone voted FOR THEM!
Hmmmm, can it get any deeper?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/20/tried-steal-election-ny-voter-fraud-case-heats/?test=latestnews

You guys are so DONE!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Falsly elected!
Even the election was fraudulent, due to Acorn. Have you seen the latest?
People that didn’t vote, find out someone voted FOR THEM!
Hmmmm, can it get any deeper?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/20/tried-steal-election-ny-voter-fraud-case-heats/?test=latestnews

You guys are so DONE!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Falsly elected!
Even the election was fraudulent, due to Acorn. Have you seen the latest?
People that didn’t vote, find out someone voted FOR THEM!
Hmmmm, can it get any deeper?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/20/tried-steal-election-ny-voter-fraud-case-heats/?test=latestnews

You guys are so DONE!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

OK, NC, if you’d like I can walk you right through it…again. Of course, once you realize that in answering my questions, you yourself will prove it, you will just stop, again. Would you like to answer 5 questions honestly? I can have YOU prove it if you will. Or, are you too scared?


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

OK, NC, if you’d like I can walk you right through it…again. Of course, once you realize that in answering my questions, you yourself will prove it, you will just stop, again. Would you like to answer 5 questions honestly? I can have YOU prove it if you will. Or, are you too scared?


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

OK, NC, if you’d like I can walk you right through it…again. Of course, once you realize that in answering my questions, you yourself will prove it, you will just stop, again. Would you like to answer 5 questions honestly? I can have YOU prove it if you will. Or, are you too scared?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

NO Judge has gotten to the MERITS of this case, so your comment is MOOT. They have all been dismissed on technicalities, and wimpy ass reasons, because all the Judges are being harassed by Obama! Once this case moves on, “ON THE MERITS”, the LAWS will be applied by them!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

The lowlife, scumbag left, TRYING to attack Sarah Palin, again!
They are sooo desperate and jealous of her, it isn't even “FUNNY”, anymore!
Just a YT video link to my latest video. No viruses here, as they try to state, to get you to not see the truth, of what these lying, evil scumbags are doing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYEKdl2vR7M

Enjoy the LOVE!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

We love you Sarah, don't sweat the little things!


Antibirther
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

Who cares about governor quiter


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

So, what you're saying corny, is the Chief Justice of the SC knowingly went against the constitution? Because, Obama's birth and parents were not a secret before he was sworn in. See how full of BS you are? Or, maybe, it's just a case of the Chief Justice knowing our constitution and laws better than cornylies…and that's why you've not had any case even come close to sniffing discovery.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

NOT a secret, don't make me laugh. It is STILL a secret, that is what we are trying to UNHIDE you IDIOT!

Geez, get with the program, would ya!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

hahaha, I did happen to see fuctcheck.org, in your comment…
you are too funny, that is owned by Annenberg, which is OBAMA…

lolol, you are so misguided!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

What do you mean it's still a secret? He was born in Hawaii, his mother was an american citizen, his father was a Kenyan citizen, and the Chief Justice accepted him as a NBC. You were arguing above that he could not be a NBC because of his father. Mr Chief Justice disagreed with you and swore him in. The only idiot, as you keep proving, is you blowers. Thanks for proving it again.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

If the situation was reversed and a candidate had an R in front of their name, do you honestly believe that:

1. Media would not ask hard questions about eligibility.
2. Judges would have thrown all cases based on the standing issue.

Fine, election (2008) is over. Why do Dems oppose the legislation for verification of candidates’ eligibility for next elections in 2012?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

If the situation was reversed and a candidate had an R in front of their name, do you honestly believe that:

1. Media would not ask hard questions about eligibility.
2. Judges would have thrown all cases based on the standing issue.

Fine, election (2008) is over. Why do Dems oppose the legislation for verification of candidates’ eligibility for next elections in 2012?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

If the situation was reversed and a candidate had an R in front of their name, do you honestly believe that:

1. Media would not ask hard questions about eligibility.
2. Judges would have thrown all cases based on the standing issue.

Fine, election (2008) is over. Why do Dems oppose the legislation for verification of candidates’ eligibility for next elections in 2012?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

And you would, 100% bet your life on it? Just because one woman from Hawaii says so? Man, you are gullible!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

No, I would bet my life on it because the the government of Hawaii, which is in the hands of the opposition party, said it. What, now you going to say the pubs wanted Obama for president? Are you really that stupid?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

Somebody has just posted a comment on AXJ http://www.axjus.com that Judge Carter has ordered discovery. Good by Obama.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Go back on this thread and find my first question about Perkins case. Then answer it.
Do not switch the topic to something else. Othetr threads can be used for different issues.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Go back on this thread and find my first question about Perkins case. Then answer it.
Do not switch the topic to something else. Othetr threads can be used for different issues.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

When I joind the discussion on this thread your post contained the sentence:
“‘Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen”

Do you know if young Steinkauler was born in the USA of citizen parents?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

When I joind the discussion on this thread your post contained the sentence:
“‘Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen”

Do you know if young Steinkauler was born in the USA of citizen parents?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

When I joind the discussion on this thread your post contained the sentence:
“‘Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen”

Do you know if young Steinkauler was born in the USA of citizen parents?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

WORLD BREAKING NEWS FROM AUSTRALIA!!! Yes, let's get the WORLD talking about it!

http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_co…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Where, Where?


Guest
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

“Political candidates on ballot were harmed by having an ineligible candidate running against them.”

Which candidates? Alan Keyes?

Alan Keyes was on the ballot in only three states. It was mathematically impossible for him to get 270 electoral votes. He wasn’t harmed.

We can’t have another election — the Constitution prescribes when national elections occur. So we have to use the 2008 results. If you throw out Obama/Biden (there is no way Biden can be President if the head of the ticket wasn’t eligible), and you throw of McCain/Palin (same deal, with McCain not born in the U.S.), then the winner of the 2008 Presidential Election, with 335 Electoral College votes, is the ticket of Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez.


Guest
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

“Political candidates on ballot were harmed by having an ineligible candidate running against them.”

Which candidates? Alan Keyes?

Alan Keyes was on the ballot in only three states. It was mathematically impossible for him to get 270 electoral votes. He wasn’t harmed.

We can’t have another election — the Constitution prescribes when national elections occur. So we have to use the 2008 results. If you throw out Obama/Biden (there is no way Biden can be President if the head of the ticket wasn’t eligible), and you throw of McCain/Palin (same deal, with McCain not born in the U.S.), then the winner of the 2008 Presidential Election, with 335 Electoral College votes, is the ticket of Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez.


Guest
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

“Political candidates on ballot were harmed by having an ineligible candidate running against them.”

Which candidates? Alan Keyes?

Alan Keyes was on the ballot in only three states. It was mathematically impossible for him to get 270 electoral votes. He wasn’t harmed.

We can’t have another election — the Constitution prescribes when national elections occur. So we have to use the 2008 results. If you throw out Obama/Biden (there is no way Biden can be President if the head of the ticket wasn’t eligible), and you throw of McCain/Palin (same deal, with McCain not born in the U.S.), then the winner of the 2008 Presidential Election, with 335 Electoral College votes, is the ticket of Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

He's going down down down down, he's going down!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/north…


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Just add that to the littiny of charges she will eventually be facing…


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

O_o


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

No one loves a quitter.

And…it's “Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things”


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Wrong. Motion to Dismiss has not been ruled on yet.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

Here is the definition of the term “natural born citizen” as it would have been used and understood by every single delegate to the Constitutional Convention.

From Emmerich de Vattel,

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758),

Book I, Chapter 19, Section 212. Citizens and natives.

“The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-119.htm


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Talking about something doesn't make it true…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

( | )


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

No, actually it's
“don't sweat the small stuff and it's all small stuff”

My bad!

We will see that Obama is REMOVED!


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

You really didn't ask that last question did you? LMAO!!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Only through Elections…he was legitimately elected and he is eligible whether you like it or not..LOL!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

No dropping trou in here please….


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Okay, now we see that cornylies prefers other country's definitions to our own. Haven't we put down Vattel enough for you yet? Don't you realize that's not our country's interpretation? Try again, you're still a loser.


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

And what does this have to do with the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii to an american mom? That's all he needed for his Citizenship.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

First of all, his mother wasn't old enough, at the time of his birth, to claim him as a citizen and besides, the day he swore his allegiance to Indonesia, was the day he lost his American Citizenship!

Nothing else matters, he is an Indonesian Muslim!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

Yo, Mr. Axelrod…nice to see ya stop by…

NOT!

Now, go do some work dude and stop fucking around, on MY TAX DOLLARS!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

So now you're saying that all americans born to teenagers are not eligible to be president? Man, pretty soon the only americans you agree with will be the group in AXJ's mind. Guess that's where you've always been headed, since you haven't a clue about the USA's laws and constitution.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Come on now, cornylies, I TOLD you I was waiting for the $20 grand payment from you. You said you have it, when are you going to send it? Once you do that, Judge Carter can dismiss the other suit in California. So, you sending that out today, cornylies?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Get your “Where's the Birth Certificate” memorabilia here:

http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2866

Obama is going down!

And don't forget to sign the petition:

http://www.wnd.com/obama_petition


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

If he was born in Hawaii, Obama would have been a citizen. Having a British father would make him a dual citizen at birth, not a natural born citizen as reqired to be eligible for presidency.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

So, NC, you're saying that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court doesn't know what a Natural Born Citizen is? Or, are you saying that he just went ahead and threw out the constitution that he took an oath to obey and uphold? Or maybe, he is much better versed in our constitution and laws that he knows you're full of BS. I think I'll go with the you're full BS notion, since you've proven time and time again to have no clue about our country's laws and constitution.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

FYI, dumbass..check your history…

Who is Emer Vattel? He wrote the book “Law of Nations” which was originally published in France in 1758. Vattels work would be distributed by none other than Benjamin Franklin who received it from Charles William Frederic Dumas. History gives us this information in a letter dated 9 December, 1775

“ I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author. Your manuscript “Idee sur le Gouvernement et la Royaute” is also well relished, and may, in time, have its effect. I thank you, likewise, for the other smaller pieces, which accompanied Vattel. “Le court Expose de ce qui s'est passe entre la Cour Britannique et les Colonies,” bc. being a very concise and clear statement of facts, will be reprinted here for the use of our new friends in Canada. The translations of the proceedings of our Congress are very acceptable. I send you herewith what of them has been farther published here, together with a few newspapers, containing accounts of some of the successes Providence has favored us with. We are threatened from England with a very powerful force, to come next year against us.(2) We are making all the provision in our power here to oppose that force, and we hope we shall be able to defend ourselves. But, as the events of war are always uncertain, possibly, after another campaign, we may find it necessary to ask the aid of some foreign power.
…With sincere and great esteem and respect, I am, Sir, &c. B. Franklin.”


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.” -US Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall in The Venus (1812)

Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” – Associate Justice Peter Daniel in Scott v Sanford ( 1857 )

I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen – —Rep. John Bingham, framer of the 14th Amendment, before The US House of Representatives ((Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291, March 9, 1866 )


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

Let's see, how about I take your non-american statement and trump it with the SCOTUS…

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

“First.-On her birth in New York, the plaintiff became a citizen of the United States. Civil Rights Act of 1866, [307 U.S. 325, 329] 14 Stat. 27; Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1, U.S.C.A.Const.; United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 , 18 S.Ct. 456. In a comprehensive review of the principles and authorities governing the decision in that case-that a child born here of alien parentage becomes a citizen of the United States-the Court adverted to the 'inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.' United States v. Wong Kim Ark, supra, 169 U.S. page 668, 18 S.Ct. page 164. As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. 1 And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law.”

Well, let's see, this covers citizenship by being born here, you CAN have dual nationality, and no matter what other country's laws are they have no affect on one's citizenship. Plus, parents can't end someone's citizenship.

“'Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States;”

So even if you are a “native-born” American citizen, you can still become President. Guess that covers everything for you cornylies, we follow our laws and constitution, not some 18th century philosopher's.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Here we go people, Net Neutrality is taking over!

Obama taking over the internet, be concerned, be very concerned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy_Gxtvfsnk&feat…


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Let's see, how about I take your non-american statement and trump it with the SCOTUS…

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

“First.-On her birth in New York, the plaintiff became a citizen of the United States. Civil Rights Act of 1866, [307 U.S. 325, 329] 14 Stat. 27; Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1, U.S.C.A.Const.; United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 , 18 S.Ct. 456. In a comprehensive review of the principles and authorities governing the decision in that case-that a child born here of alien parentage becomes a citizen of the United States-the Court adverted to the 'inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.' United States v. Wong Kim Ark, supra, 169 U.S. page 668, 18 S.Ct. page 164. As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. 1 And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law.”

Well, let's see, this covers citizenship by being born here, you CAN have dual nationality, and no matter what other country's laws are they have no affect on one's citizenship. Plus, parents can't end someone's citizenship.

“'Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States;”

So even if you are a “native-born” American citizen, you can still become President. Note that this was in 1939, everything you quote is from pre-1898 when KWA declared being born in the US makes you a Natural Born Citizen.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

lolol, sorry, was just a funny pic:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_of9ue2vob2g/SlaomjDXW…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

You are just speculating.
The only way to know for sure is to proceed with case in judge Carter's courtroom – which will be appealed to the SCOTUS anyway – then judge Roberts will have an opportunity to tell us what his opinion of NBC is.

What is your interpretation of the phrase “natural born citizen”?


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

Why, has antibirther come over there and threatened to take you PC? Are you holed up with guns, food, water, and your husband…who probably thinks you're nuts? But wait, wasn't it the Bush administration who started all the “spying on Americans” policy? Isn't it true that the Obama administration is pulling back from a lot of those policies? Shouldn't you be happy that this administration is more concerned with your rights than the previous administration? Are you that confused, or just that paranoid? I'll go with paranoid.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

Actually, NC, the only speculation is coming from the blowers. People in authority and know the laws and constitution KNOW that you folks are bat-sh*t crazy…they just try to be nice and not tell it to your face. My interpretation follows the SCOTUS, born in the country make you Natural Born.

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

“First.-On her birth in New York, the plaintiff became a citizen of the United States. Civil Rights Act of 1866, [307 U.S. 325, 329] 14 Stat. 27; Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1, U.S.C.A.Const.; United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 , 18 S.Ct. 456. In a comprehensive review of the principles and authorities governing the decision in that case-that a child born here of alien parentage becomes a citizen of the United States-the Court adverted to the 'inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.' United States v. Wong Kim Ark, supra, 169 U.S. page 668, 18 S.Ct. page 164. As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. 1 And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law.”

Well, let's see, this covers citizenship by being born here, you CAN have dual nationality, and no matter what other country's laws are they have no affect on one's citizenship. Plus, parents can't end someone's citizenship.

“'Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States;”

So even if you are a “native-born” American citizen, you can still become President.


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

Judge Carter will dismiss as every other judge (rightfully so) has in every case.

You birthers still do not understand that you are innocent until proven guilty and fake documents are not cause for revealing private information that you are not entitled to…

Live with it.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Not if he swore his allegiance to Indonesia!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

In Perkins v Elg case, were parents citizens of USA at the time when their child was born in the USA? Does case talk about citizenship only, or does it define a “natural born citizen”?

Natural born citizen = born in the USA of citizen parents.


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

You're an idiot if you believe what you wrote. He's an American Citizen, born from an American Citizen who was of age…


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Children do not swear allegiance…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Why do you think he took that trip to Indonesia in 1981?

Hmmmm, to swear his allegiance to Indonesia? He would have been how old in 1981?

He then went to Pakistan, right afterward visiting Indonesia, with his muslim friend and stayed at the caretaker Prime Minsisters house..c'mon, wake up!


Majority Will
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

Absolutely. Tracey and every idiot birfoon should max out their credit cards and give it all to Whirled Nut Daily.

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay Land

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndb…


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

He was a child when Daddy number two moved him to Indonesia…or did you conveniently forget that.

Traveling to any country does not amount to swearing allegiance to it…


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

“'Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States;”

Well, SCOTUS says directly a “native-born citizen” CAN become president, if the people decide. Doesn't even care whether or not his parents were american. Of course, since you have such a minimal amount of brain cells to process these facts, I can understand why you'd be unable to see that there are only 2 types of citizens in the constitution, Natural Born and Naturalized. And, if you aren't a naturalized you have to be Natural Born. But, what is even funnier is that you think the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS doesn't know what a Natural Born citizen is and you do.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Nice copy and paste, Tracey, of something you obviously don't understand.

Put simply for simple minds, Vattel writings are not U.S. law, are not in the Constitution, are considered nothing more than centuries old opinion like John Locke's writings, and have no legal bearing on Constitutional matters whatsoever. The delegates did not quote Vattel in the Constitution regardless of the stupidity and utter vapidity due to your lack of basic reasoning skills that makes you think it's relevant. Once you're appointed to the SCOTUS, then you'll be relevant. Until then, you are not.

Read this out loud:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”


Majority Will
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

That doesn't change the fact that you're an idiot copying and pasting from Whirled Nut Daily.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Obama was not sworn in as president when eligibility lawsuits were raised. Judge Carter has wiggle room to proceed with the discovery. Political candidates on ballot were harmed by having an ineligible candidate running against them.
The case should be limited in scope – just to find out whether Obama was eligible to be placed on California presidential ballot. If it turnes out that he was not – a symbolic damage should be awarded to Keyes.

Let the media and politicians then deal with the consequences.

Could you tell me of a single government job opening where I can post the requred diploma/certificate on the web and be taken seriously by the government?

What is your interpretation of the phrase “natural born citizen”?


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

You fail. He was sworn in as every case that has been heard has been dismissed (Carter will dismiss as well)

What is your interpretation of the principle of Innocence before guilt? You seem to fail on our basic rule of law, as well as our privacy laws and HIPPA…LMAO!!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

1. If “Natural Born Citizen” is equal to “born in the USA”, would a child of US citizens born abroad be eligible for presidency?

2. Who is Steinkauler? Was this person born in the USA of citizen parents?


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

LMAO!


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

He was born in Hawaii…you are the one speculating on Biffer nonsense.


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Tracy, That's your President…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Only if he was born in Hawaii.

If he was born abroad, he would have had to go through the naturalization process, because of the law in effect at that time (mother being too young for child to be granted US citizenship automatically).


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

He WAS born in Hawaii.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Hypothetical: Saudi Arabia adopts a law stating that every person born in the United States on or after October 23, 2009 is a citizen of Saudi Arabia, unless that person be of Sunni Muslim parentage. Saudi Arabia can legally do this, because the qualifications for citizenship are determined by each nation.

From today forward, every person born in the United States has dual citizenship, except those born to Sunni Muslim American parents.

Eventually, when people born before October 23, 2009 are all dead, the only “natural born citizens” under your definition will be those born in the United States to Sunni Muslim American parents. Saudi Arabia will unilaterally have been able to limit the pool of Presidential candidates to persons who share the religious affiliation of the Saudi rulers.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

In Perkins v Elg case, were parents citizens of USA at the time when their child was born in the USA?

Please answer the question directly without references to anything else (we can return to those later).


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:02 am

Jim (now take the time to understand the question first) what were our founding fathers?
Were they not British Born, British Subjects, born to two British parents?
Also were they not American Citizens at the time of the adoption of our Constitution?
Well any idiot can see that a American Citizen just can’t become President unless they are Natural Born which our founding fathers were not. Even though they were not Natural Born American Citizens, they saw the need to require their Presidents to be Natural Born. (see John Jay’s letter to George Washington) Being that none of the founding fathers were eligible to become President they had to add “unless you are a Citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” The first 10 Presidents served under this exclusion, until such time there were children born on American soil to two (2) American Citizen Parents that reached the age of 35 or older.
The only reason the first 10 Presidents could hold our highest office was that they were Citizens at the time of the adoption of our Constitution. That was 222 years ago, Obama was not alive back then so he can not use this exclusion, and being a British Subject at birth and born to a non American father he is not now nor can he ever become a Natural Born American Citizen.
Therefore he is not eligible to sleep in our White House!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Interesting NC, you continually want to ignore the laws and precedence whenever it is presented to you. Why is that? Why do you think you know more than SCOTUS? Why do you think that the Chief Justice of SCOTUS would go against his oath of office and swear in President Obama?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Their citizenship laws can only be applied to those born on their soil or to those born of Saudi parents. There is no basis for them to claim those who are natural born citizens of the USA (born in the USA of citizen parents).

For any other definition of NBC, there is a wiggle room, that person might be claimed by another country as their citizen.

A child born in USA to Saudi parent(s) could be viewed as a citizen of Saudi Arabia – that would make the child ineligible to run for US presidency.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Wow, that Lucas Smith declaration is an interesting read. Ironic, isn't it, that a non-lawyer would know more about law than the “attorney” Oily Taters? He, at least, seems to understand that the plaintiff is the one who must bring the proof to court! While his affidavit is somewhat rambling, he does have some very interesting claims in it. I wonder if Oily's husband has read it? I wonder if he cares? He is how she got to come here after all. The Mossad part is interesting. From what I have read, she has done her best to harm the relationship of Israel and American when she is over there by claiming that President Obama doesn't support the Israeli's and will sell them out to the Arabs. Isn't that illegal for a “citizen” of the United States to go to another country and publicly try to create a rift between allies? I read she did this on a radio program. I don't know. Sounds pretty shady to me.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

NC, prove that he's not a NBC. You've only offered your opinion, and not a very good one at that. I've offered SCOTUS, direct and to the point. So, show me where in SCOTUS, the laws, or constitution where it says that a NBC HAS to be born of 2 american citizens. It's time for you to put up or shut up!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Bill Clinton was sworn in as President – it did not stop Paula Jones' civil lawsuit from going forward.

The same principle could be applied in this case.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:19 am

Jim, you really think this scam will last the entire first year? If the courts can’t or wont remove him the military will have to do it to defend our Constitution and keep America safe from all his “good buddies” overseas.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Where is the long form birth certificate?

Obama's SS# was issued in CT. Why would a resident of Hawaii need to obtain a SS# from any other place rather than Hawaii?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

When he was adopted at age 6, he then applied for Indonesian citizenship. Which he got, according to his elementary school records here:
http://ridgeliner7.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/…

Perhaps he was a dual citizen as a child, but Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship, as an adult, so he would have had to make a choice. His trip to Pakistan, WITH muslims, pretty much answers as to which country he CHOSE!
He is an Indonesian Muslim, as the paper shows!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.” -US Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall in The Venus (1812)


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:25 am

c i t i z e n s h i p don’t cut it! N a t u r a l B o r n A m e r i c a n
C i t i z e n s h i p is the requirement to be President.
Born of Blood and Soil
The Blood of both parents American citizens at one’s birth, and that birth on American Soil.
Not no stinking Kenyan Brit commy!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

LOLOL, so you are not denying that you are ole Davo, eh?

Too funny!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

The question was simple yet you refuse to answer. Why?

We can debate other issues on other threads.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Well, ya certainly didn't think I would find my source and then copy it, word for word, when I can just COPY AND PASTE, now didja?

Ok, I read it out loud. Obama is NOT a natural born citizen, so he can not be President. Sooo, what don't we agree on?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

That is what we are trying to verify. Why is it so difficult to produce the long form birth certificate? Posting an image of a document on the web is not a proof.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Um, you do understand that was overruled by KWA in 1898 don't you? Try again, you keep proving how wrong you are and how out-of-touch with reality you are. I see that blowers have been trying to use this all over the web, so sad that have to go back to our pre-civil war and freeing of the slaves to try and get a half-black president removed. Shows you're living in the past, NC, we live in the present.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Oh no, you got the virus now. Your PC should be shutting down, in a matter of minutes.

LOOK EVERYONE…

BarfHater clicked on my link, now he is gonna get a virus…OH NOOOO

Nuttin but a lyin saco-o-shit, just like Obama!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

Typical Male! And look, they both got woody's!
LOLOL


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

No, cornylies, it just proves you're not an American citizen. Using a non-american opinion and trying to apply it to the USA isn't going to work in the courts and it's not going to work here. So, Obama IS a natural born citizen and cornylies is a ??? muslim? Iranian? North Korean?


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Now, NC, here's where you get to show your intelligence. Why is it that Jones' civil lawsuit was able to go forward and none of the blower suits have? Can you explain that or you just blowing hot air…again?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Jim, are you Anita Dunn? Do you worship Mao?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Chief Justice Marshall's opinion in The Venus was a concurring opinion in which Justice Livingston joined. A concurring opinion of 2/9ths of the Supreme Court is not precedent.

Moreover, The Venus did not concern what makes a person a citizen. It concerned the circumstances under which the property of an American residing in Great Britain at the outbreak of hostilities between the two countries could be lawfully taken as a prize by an American vessel.

Real lawyers don't just clip quotes from cases. We read them before we cite them as authority.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Bearclaw, forgive me, I have sinned. But, it's just to darn easy to make them look even dumber than they've proven themselves.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

As usual, once cornylies has been proven to be wrong, her paranoia shows it's ugly side and she starts thinking everyone is a government agent bent on spying and following her around. So, have you got your basement set up corny? Plenty of guns, ammunition, food and water? What about your husband…he thinks you're nuts too, doesn't he?


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

That would only be you Tracy…LMAO!!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

You are in no position to verify anything because it's none of your business, every judge so far has thrown out the cases for just that reason…no standing. Carter will do the same thing. Election is over, go home.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

No one can prove us wrong, until Obama unseals the evidence and even then, it won't help!

Actually, my husband DID think I was nuts at first and he hated the news, YES “NEWS”. He now watched Glenn religiously and talks about it way more than I do!

The evidence is just too overwhelming, to NOT GET IT!


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

You didn't get your SS number at birth back then, you had to apply for it and wherever he was when he applied for it was were it was issued.

And the Long form BC is not for your viewing pleasure…remember, we have privacy laws…


darthtater
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

He cannot answer that one because he thinks that Obama wasn't sworn in…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

His SS# was issued between 1977 and 1979 when Obama was in high school (in Hawaii).


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Is this Lucas character for real? Only somebody that is not right upstairs write all that crap. Judge Carter could care less. He only wants to know if Obama is a natural born citizen and if he isn't why Congress isn't doing something about it? Probably with a full Democratic Congress they can't, so then it will be up to the Courts. It is called Balance of Power for all those that don't understand what is really going on.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Cornylies you are SOOOOO funny!!! We don't have to prove you wrong. We don't even care. Obama's in the WH and will be until voted out or can't run anymore. You and your husband can just enjoy hiding in your basement for the next 4-8 years, and we'll just enjoy watching your stupidity!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Have you seen the latest? Leave it to Acorn!

People that didn't vote, find out someone voted FOR THEM!
Hmmmm, can it get any deeper?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/20/trie…

You guys are so DONE!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Where does WKA talk about the definition of a “natural born citizen”? The case ruled that a child born to US residents is a citizen.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Dats it, can't run anymore BECAUSE HE IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN!


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

Lucas follows right along with your mail-order lawyer. Funny thing is he writes briefs better than Orly! And, nice to see you still haven't a clue AXJ, it will be dismissed…just as soon as Orly pays the $20 grand she owes to Georgia. BTW, the balance of power doesn't allow a judge to remove a sitting president…only congress. So, you might wish to bone up on your constitution before you make things up about what Judge Carter will do.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

Oh, he WILL run again, no problem. Because blowers don't have enough intelligence amongst their whole group to figure out how to get rid of him. And, you and your husband will still be holed up in your basement waiting for an imaginary boogie man. BTW, please be careful next Saturday, it's Halloween and your neighbors would appreciate you not shooting any of their kids in Obama masks…we know how you folks are. Shoot first and ask questions later.


Jim
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

He won't answer any question that he knows will prove how wrong he is. I go through this with him every now and again…and I can just see him getting more and more frustrated. Let's see if he'll take my 5 question challenge below.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Mmmm, I see you have been studying principles of constitutional law. “It is called Balance of Power for all those that don't understand what is really going on.”

So any time Congress fails to take action, the federal courts (with unelected and appointed-for-life judges) are authorized to do so? Interesting. If Congress fails to bring health care reform up for a vote, then a federal judge can adopt it. If we are attacked by a foreign power, and Congress fails to declare war, a federal judge can declare war. If the Senate fails to vote on a treaty, or a Presidential appointee, then a federal judge can step in and do it.

My constitutional law classes didn't cover that, but maybe our system of government has changed since I went to law school. I any event, I bow to superior knowledge.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Like anyone is going to believe something that Faux News reports – unless you wear a tin foil hat and hide out in a basement bunker like you birfers.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

You're pretty damned stupid, aren't you AXJ Cocks? You're right about one thing, Judge Carter doesn't care. I seriously doubt he wants to know if Obama is a NBU. He only wants to follow the constitution and dismiss this lawsuit as soon as Oily pays her fine. We the people, spoke last November when we voted for Obama. Just because you're all sore losers, you can't use the courts for your political agenda. You don't like it? Get enough people to vote your way. Doubt you can convince them to, though.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Few years ago, California voted for a proposition that would prevent giving government services to illegals.
Guess what – a single Federal court (appointed) judge declared it unconstitutional and the vote was thrown out.
Where in the Constitution does it say that foreigners have any rights for US government services?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

When Dems lose their majority – and you get a right wing president in the White House – will you be as happy when they throw the Constitution under the bus?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:08 am

What comes before Part B?

Part-aaaaaa
Woohoo


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

A sitting president can be sued for things that happened before the presidency.

Third party candidates were harmed in California by having to run agains noneligible candidates from two major parties.

Secretary of State in CA confirmed that she did not check the eligibility of candidates included on the presidential ballot.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Way off the mark.

de Vattel's treatise is about “natural law.” It is not a statement of what the Law of Nations actually was at the time. In other words, it wasn't the “Black's Law Dictionary” of its age.

For example:

“§ 120. Right of procuring provisions by force. The earth was designed to feed its inhabitants; and he who is in want of every thing is not obliged to starve because all property is vested in others.”

In other words, theft (even by force) is allowed. Somehow, I don't see those principles having been enshrined in the U.S. legal system.

With respect to citizenship, de Vattel's statements are inconsistent with English common law. As the majority of the Supreme Court made clear in Wong Kim Ark (not the dissent, which cited de Vattel), the U.S. looks to principles of English common law on citizenship issues.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Forget acorn, Corny: this is a Birfer site. The question is have you seen the latest on Orly?
LOL


chrisjay
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

NaturalMoron: Where were you during the Bush/Cheney regime?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

When is Obama gonna scrub your sorry ass off of my internet?Soon?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

Every one of those SOBs are lying cheating fools! Now we have one sleeping in our White House! Time to clean house of every one of them.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

buckafuckaroni do you love the lies of PMSNBC and the Communist News Network? Obots not a live brain cell it the whole lot!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Are you for or against judicial activism? Are you for it when it suits your purposes?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

buckafuck, the Demmcoms couldn't get 30% of the popular vote today! They shot off their feet with their clay idol!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

Foreigners can't hold the office of President either, but we sure got one sleeping in our White House tonight.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Oh, and I would need to take a look at the decision you mention in order to assess the court's reasoning. What specifically in the reasoning did you disagree with?

Keep in mind that many constitutional rights are rights accorded to “persons,” not just “citizens.”


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

We have no “sitting” President! Our last President was George and he came back to Dallas on the 21 of January. We are under Anarchy. No one's at the wheel! Do what ever you want, they can't charge you under a unconstitutional Government. P A R T Y ! ! ! No One's In Charge Of Anything!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

I wanted to see Congress begin impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney due to their repeated violations of the Constitution and laws of the United States. But Congress didn't do that. And I never took the position that a federal judge could remove them from office. Only by impeachment by the House, and trial and conviction in the Senate, can a sitting President be removed from Office.

And yes, I know — you will say impeachment doesn't apply because he was never legally the President. But the people voted, the Electoral College met and voted, and he was sworn into office. Doesn't get any more official than that.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

You can't stand the truth can you? Maybe you can't handle the truth!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

It's better than drinking the Kool Aid you get from Faux News. To even claim that Faux News is 'fair and balanced' is so laughable. But, you better put your tin foil hat back on and head back to your underground bunker. See ya' later, oldfuckedintheass666.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

Only in your dreams oldfartass666.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

52% of the population was stupid enough to believe lies. They WERE lied to! He is not a Natural Born American Citizen. The election was illegal. It was election fraud! Arrest them all and hang um for treason! Show it on TV.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

unnaturalized-citizen. What are you complaining about? The judge ruled in your favor.

All federal judges are appointed, dumbass.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Beep beep ba beep beep…. oldfartingman666 is delusionsal! Need to get your tin foil hat back on and do it quick.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Our system of government sure changed on Jan. 20th it went from a Capitalistic Republic to a illegal Communist banana republic.


Guest
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:07 am

No, Secret Service. Or FBI. Threatening to hang the President is a federal crime, punishable by up to five years in prison. 18 U.S.C. Section 871.


Smokey
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Just traced your IP and handed over to the Feds. They're interested in your perspective. Expect a visit soon. If you're not home, the US Marshall will leave his card with a neighbor so you can be called and interviewed.


Guest
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:14 am

I note that you do not take on the substance of my comments. Care to try, or do you want to continue to hide how much you don’t know?

Do you think judges have authority to act anytime Congress fails to do so? If so, can you point to the provisions of the Constitution, statutes or caselaw supporting your position?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

I hope you enjoy your visit from the Secret Service.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:32 am

True…no one is entitled…but it still is entertaining to watch the birffers squirm!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Only one parent has to be a US citizen, US Immigration Law supports that…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:51 am

Don’t ask me why Dems oppose legislation. I’m not a Dem.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:51 am

LOL! I see that… ;)


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:55 am

Tracy, for one, I didn’t vote for Obama, I voted for Ron Paul. Second, Obama was elected…period. Voter fraud has been rampant in every election and both parties are guilty.

The only ones done are the American People.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

“So even if you are a “native-born” American citizen, you can still become President. Note that this was in 1939, everything you quote is from pre-1898 when KWA declared being born in the US makes you a Natural Born Citizen.”

This is from an OPINION not from the final decision.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:57 am

You have to prove that accusation. And Orly’s false documents are not going to cut it.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

notice the term “parents” has “s” meaning Both!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

This is not about impeachment. It is about determining whether a candidate was eligible to be on the presidential elections ballot.

It is interesting how eligibility verification was selectively applied towards a candidate on the NJ ballot. He was removed from the list because of being a permanent resident. How did the Secretary of State in NJ determine that Obama and McCain were eligible? Why is it that two major political parties are allowed to usurp the election process as they wish?

Public was not properly informed about Obama's past. We learned about “Joe the plumber” and his tax issues, family issues related to vice-presidential candidate…, where was Charles Gibson to grill Obama on eligibility issue?

Once the truth is determined people will have the chance to cast an EDUCATED vote in 2012 based on truth.
Either Obama was eligible – that would clear him for elections in 2012, or he was not. In that case voters will be able to vote for somebody else.

If Congress chose not to pursue the eligibility verification, we can judge their behavior when they are up for re-election.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

hahaha FORGET Acorn…WHAAA? Touchy subject or sumptin? Is that hitting a nerve, cause yur man is so entangled with them?
Acorn is gonna end up being worse than Watergate, once the FULL truth comes out. Obama was elected by FRAUD, with help from Acorn! It is unfolding before our eyes. I can see it now,

“The downfall of an American FRAUD!”

History in the making…

http://www.youtube.com/user/BoycottCentral


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

The eligibility issue didn't really come to light until the last minute, after he was elected by the electorate. Don't piss and moan about something that should have been brought up when he started to run for president. Wouldn't have mattered, though, because he was vetted at that time. Just because Oily says he wasn't doesn't make it true. You're so STUPID! Is that you Orly? Claiming that you're a naturalized citizen when the fact is that you're KGB?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

hahaha have ya seen the main stream media lately? They are turning on Obama. They are insulted of his trying to silence the media and are striking back!
YESSSSSS!

I can't believe it. When FOX has commercials, I will switch to the others and it is starting to sound like they are actually beginning to do their job, REPORT THE ACTUAL NEWS, Like FOX!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

You already drank the koolaid BUCKO….that's yur problem!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

What? Is that you Jack Nicholson? You're not acting in the movie A Few Good Men, right now. Come back to reality. Put that tin foil hat back on to keep those dangerous microwaves that Obama is beaming out at us to get us all re-educated.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

Judge Carter does not have the power to impeach Obama. Only Congress can do that.

Judge Carter has the power to grant the discovery to determine wether eligible candidates were on the ballot. Once we know the truth, we can leave it to the Congress to deal with the possible consequences.

Why are Obama's supporters worried – court will determine that Obama was/is eligible to run, right?


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

Kind of interesting. Don't hear no complaints from George about Obama not being the president. Even Dickless Cheney refers to Obama as the president in his criticisms. An even more amusing FACT. Cheney didn't have any qualms about being present when Obama was elected by the electoral college. Cheney was part of that process.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

If it were communist, you wouldn't be sitting at your computer writing these absurd statements.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

They've always reported the news, unlike Faux. No surprise. All the leftists have given their fair share of criticism to Obama ever since he was elected. But then, you're so tuned into Faux, you wouldn't know that.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

No. I'm educated, unlike you. Dropped out in the 8th grade to squeeze a puppy out, didn't you? No need to answer. It's easy to gauge your education level based on your remarks.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

Got it wrong again, Oily. You need to get out of here and go back to your website to write more propoganda.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

You have not been following the issue.
Obama put the COLB in July 2008 on the web. Its authenticity was immediately challenged.
The first eligibility lawsuit shortly followed (several months before elections). There was plenty of time to order a discovery and find out who was eligible and who wasn't before the elections.

I doubt that Orly would be able to calmly answer your insults.
KGB would love to have an ineligible candidate in the Whith House – such candidate would be much more receptive to blackmail and would be much more willing to “cooperate”. Wait a minute – did Obama recently cancel the missile defence program in East Europe? Makes you wonder if some behind-the- scene forces are in play.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

What does your crystal ball say about my education level?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Judge Carter has the power to grant discovery only to the extent there is a justiciable case in front of him. The fundamental problem for all the birfer lawyers is they are filing lawsuits to get discovery. You actually have to an underlying claim on which the court can grant relief.

And it is absolutely fundamental that the federal courts do not issue “advisory opinions.” In other words, a federal court will only make findings of law and fact regarding whether President Obama is a “natural born citizen” if those findings are necessary in order to grant relief to which a successful plaintiff would be entitled.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

NO, you're not following the issue. Obama was cleared to run for the presidency almost 3 years ago. That's when it was deemed he was eligible to run for president. He only put the COLB on the website when the first of the birfers, before we even knew birfers existed, wanted to see it. And, quite frankly, you nor Orly are entitled to see it and you never will. That's the best part. Bwahhahhhahha!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

“If Congress chose not to pursue the eligibility verification, we can judge their behavior when they are up for re-election.”

Completely agree. If you don't like what Congress does, or what Congress fails to do, vote them out.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:17 am

Who declared him eligible? Do you have any links to the source of this claim?


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:17 am

In Oily's world, she's entitled to the relief because she knows the truth. Personally, I'd just tell her to take a laxative or an enema to flush the shit she's got in her out.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:22 am

Each state had to certify him and did. And when questions arised later, the Governor of Hawaii, a Republican and McCain supporter, stated that she had seen Obama's long form birth certificate and it was authentic. But then, I think you already knew that. You just refuse to accept it.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Fox News. Fox News generally just provided misinformation. Honestly, if I want news I just avoid Fox News it is that simple.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Kind of hard to gauge you, nat. You might be kind of like W. Got through school and received MBA but only a C average and probably cuz your daddy was on some school board. Doesn't really mean a whole lot to me. A lot of stupid people in this country that went through the motions to get a degree. Doesn't make them smart.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:30 am

Yep. We all know they're the right arm of what used to be the Republican party. No facts. Just distortions to the news and made up stories.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:32 am

Secretary of state in CA said that she did not verify anything – she just took DNC claim for granted.

I would be very interested to see a link where Rep. Governer of Hawaii said that she had seen Obama's the long form birth certificate and certified it as authentic.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 1:00 am

I'd indulge you but you can look that up yourself.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 1:13 am

I did and could not find such statement.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 1:39 am

You prefer Obot lies and propaganda over truth?
Well that speaks worlds of information about you and how you think.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:04 am

That's what ya get from cracker jack college. I guess ya get whatcha pay fer!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:05 am

Give it a little longer…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Dude, shut up and go away!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:12 am

I agree and if I am wrong, I will be the first to admit it!
There's no harm in proving it, IF IT IS TRUE, right?
And it will make all of us feel MUCH SAFER in his decisions, knowing that his allegiance is sworn to Anerica and not to Indonesia and Islam!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:14 am

You don't think Alan Keyes has a case? IF obama is ineligible, Alan would not have had to run against him, with his fraudulent Acorn backing him. Anyone can win if they CHEAT, which is just what Obama DID, with Acorn. Alan Keyes has standing and jurisdiction. This case needs to move forward!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Looks like she already did that and it ended up here, named buckaroni


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:18 am

CNN, ABC and NBC are Obama's middle leg, so what's the difference. We take ya on 3 to 1 and we still kick yur asses in the ratings. Now there's a fact you can't deny!

Suck it up, mutha f-ers!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:20 am

And stick that tin foil hat, up yur ass. I'm tired of hearing about it!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:21 am

LOLOLOL


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:23 am

Fer bein such a sofisticate ya sure picked out a shitty name!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:27 am

When? Tell me, on what topic?
Show me…LIAR! They are so far up his ass it ain't funny.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:29 am

Go fucking buck a roni someplace else, asswipe!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Where is your proof MISTER? BAD BOY, for making shit up!

“DNC Failed to Certify Obama as Eligible in MOST States!”

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/articl…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Orly says it never happened. I am sure she spoke to the woman, to be able to say that it never happened!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:40 am

Secret Service, you mean Obama's Chicago Thug Gang?


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:57 am

No one is worried…we are just entertained by you birffers…LOL!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:01 am

First, plaintiffs have “standing”; courts have “jurisdiction”. Alan Keyes is not a court and cannot have “jurisdiction.”

Second, Alan Keyes was on the ballot in only three states in the November 2008 election, as the presidential nominee of America's Independent Party (a party he formed after he lost in the Republican primaries and lost the Constitution Party nomination to Chuck Baldwin). Obama had nothing to do with that. The states were: California, Florida and Colorado. California has 55 electoral votes, Florida has 27, and Colorado has 9. That adds up to 91 electoral votes, agree? It takes 270 electoral votes to win the Presidency (a majority of 538 votes in the electoral college), agree?

So, if Barack Obama had dropped out of the race, and Alan Keyes had somehow won California, Florida, and Colorado, he wouldn't have had a chance to win the Presidency. Mathematically impossible, agree?

This is not to mention his incredible history as a loser of elections:

U.S. Senate, Maryland, 1988: lost to Paul Sarbanes, receiving 38% of vote.

U.S. Senate, Maryland, 1992: lost to Barbara Mikulski, receiving 29% of vote.

Republican Presidential Primaries, 1996: lost.

Republican Presidential Primaries, 2000: lost. Best result was 20% in Utah.

U.S. Senate, Illinois, 2004: lost to Barack Obama, receiving 27% of the vote.

Republican Presidential Primaries, 2008: lost. Best result was 2.7% in North Carolina.

Constitution Party Presidential Convention, 2008: lost to Chuck Baldwin.

Notice a trend? The more he runs for office, the worse his results. He has never won. Even Harold Stassen won twice for District Attorney and once for Governor of Minnesota.

So tell me again how he was injured by Barack Obama.


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:12 am

Bear, that's where the biffer's fail, they don't understand that the “fake-BC's” do not give them standing to discovery. They continue to fail to understand that no matter their claim, we still have a legal system that holds “EVERYONE” (including Obama) innocent until proven guilty…

They also fail to understand that the fake documents are not going to convince ANY judge to grant them access to private records just because it creates suspicion in the birffer's mind.


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Keyes has no case because he has no standing. It won't move forward because you're chasing red herrings…LOL!


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:17 am

True, even if he were on the tickets of all 50 states, he still would not have standing. He didn't have a prayer of winning anyway as the majority of the votes still would have gone to either McCain or Obama…


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:23 am

As entertaining as this is, it's about time you biffers' understood that you have been played, seriously played. You're chasing red herrings. There is no issue of Eligibility because Obama was born in Hawaii. No Court is going to grant standing because it is not the courts that should be deciding eligibility issues AFTER the election. If some of you were as intelligent as you claim you'd see through all the fake certificates and false information that has been thoroughly debunked.

While you are chasing these red herrings, some of you are putting money in the scam artists hands that you are following and Obama's administration is making changes right under your noses that won't be changed in 2010 or in 2012.

Wake the hell up and focus!

Aww…never mind…this is too entertaining…

Carry on…LMAO!!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:25 am

What makes you think that anyone in the media is telling the truth? In any of the media outlets?


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Latest? I want to see her Law Degree Transcripts and her Long form Birth Certificate…LMAO!


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:27 am

O_o You did better as Tracy…LOL!


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Does your momma know you talk like this? ROFLMAO!!!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:52 am

Looks like your a buck short!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:57 am

Ain't that the truth!
Looks about a buck short of a real education.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:08 am

George W was on fire after 911, 82% loved him. Look what happened later. Now the )o( has fallen below 50% in 9 months and that has not happened in 50 years. By X-mas he will be below where George was in X-mas of 08.
If he is still sleeping in our White House and not in Federal Prison.
The coup is over! It didn't work! America is pissed and looking to settle up the score. If you are a Obot Commie I'd be careful real careful. Cut the BS and become an American again, we let it slide if you renounce your Communist ways and get on the side of FREE Capitalism.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:17 am

Natural—, name me one member of the Senate or House that we should keep other than Joe Wilson. Time to start over from the ground up. I think we need a new White House, bout time don't you think? Get rid of all the roaches.


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Sorry but you are wrong again. The president has approval ratings over 50%. Gotta quit just gettting your noise from Faux.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:36 am

Only the Courts can now decide if Obama is eligible since he cannot be impeached because he is not eligible to occupy the post of President. Judge Carter already told the DOJ their motion to dismissed will be denied and discovery will be granted. We would all like to see Obama's past documents. Especially the pics of Stanley Ann Dunham on the beach in 1961 when she was not pregnant. Those are going to be difficult to explain.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:01 am

YEA? What figures you got and from where?
I know you don't like Facts News you would rather watch the Communist News Network.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Here is HOUSE RESOLUTION 593 declares:

“Recognizing and celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.

Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th Anniversary of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's signing of Proclamation 3309, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii Admission Act, enacted by the United States Congress on March 18, 1959;

Whereas Hawaii is `a place like no other, with a people like no other' and bridges the mainland United States to the Asia-Pacific region;

Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii; “

Yep. It seems that the birthers are just running in circles.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:18 am

What recourse do third party candidates have after complaining about ineligible candidate being placed on the ballot? Obviously they have no representation in Congress – nobody could object election results in their name.
Short of armed rebellion the only way to challenge the eligibility is a lawsuit.
In a civilized society disputes should be resolved by courts.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:28 am

Did they mention anything about Obama being a natural born citizen (NBC)? Why not?

Congress resolution serves as a smoke screen to obscure the NBC issue.


Jim
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:29 am

Again, you are confused. What has already happened, has already happened. You can't undo 9 months of a Presidency, it's totally ridiculous that you would think you can. The only way is to remove him constitutionally. That's why you can never be able to achieve standing you eternal idiot. But, you've not stated one true fact in the whole time you've been posting, so no wonder you haven't got anything in your statement that is true. Christmas pictures? Your mother? You and your cartel in a dark room yanking each other off? I've heard them all about those pictures.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:30 am

“Once we know the truth” … No, the issue is that you have to take the blind fold off and read. The worry or paranoia is coming from those who just can't accept that Obama has met the constitutional requirements to become president.

We accept the truth accept that a birth certificate that indicates that Obama was born in Honolulu a city in Hawaii a state of America make him eligible to be president. That is it.

Birthers argument go through various ranges. From both parents not being American citizens. To, giving up his citizenship. To, being dual citizen. To, being born else where. It gets more and more confusing.

800 lies and no truth. That is the position of the birthers. They have to continue to fabricate or distort the truth just to support their paranoia.

Please look for “HOUSE RESOLUTION 593″, by congress. It makes your comment about congress dealing with the possible consequences quite confusing. As, it seems that you are suggesting that congress will act against birthers. Honestly, congress has the responsibility of dealing with the issues of running America and not punish the lunatic fringe. Yes, freedom of speech is protected by the constitution.

HOUSE RESOLUTION 593 suggest that congress recognizes that the statements in it doesn't conflict with the constitution of America.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:36 am

No, I actually prefer to read. Yes, it does open your mind to many possibilities. See by taking the time to read and look at the facts it is easy to ascertain what is propaganda. Birthers continue to spread information with out proving proof or facts, that my sir is propaganda.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 10:59 am

I like a rookie Congress representative from northern California (4th district) – Tom McClintock. He was a solid conservative in the CA state senate for many years.
He has been keeping a low profile on Obama eligibility issue. I think that many politicians are afraid of media scrutiny that would come if they publicly questioned Obama’s eligibility.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 7:10 am

Judge Carter is an intelligent man and can see through all this. He is writing an extensive motion to dismiss so even if the DOJ files an appeal it will go no where. The DOJ has found a Judge that is neither scared of them nor will be intimidated. He knows exactly what is involved here. Meanwhile the case will continue.


Jim
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

OldLostfart, who is the CIC? They seem to have no problem at all following orders. But, why don’t you just go ahead and barricade yourself in your basement with plenty of food and water. They’ll be more than happy to come get you in say about 8 years.


Jim
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

OldLostfart, who is the CIC? They seem to have no problem at all following orders. But, why don’t you just go ahead and barricade yourself in your basement with plenty of food and water. They’ll be more than happy to come get you in say about 8 years.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 9:42 am

So now congress is not the fraud. Wow, man you are honestly disillusioned. So from the government to the courts are all part of this conspiracy.

Please, keep of the fight since you seems as the only person that is out to defend the constitution. Run around Washington D.C. in circles saying “I am here to save the day. I am NationalizedCitizen.” A cape with “NZC” on the chest would help.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 9:54 am

Does anyone know whether Taitz has paid the sanction, or does she honestly believe that she can appeal it? This is because it has been romored that Keyes vs. Obama case is now on hold until she pays.

One thing that I missed was another birther case has been dismissed. That was the Kerchner et al v Obama.

It is strange that AXJ believes that they can see into the mind of a judge, when they can't even read a simple birth certificate. AXJ can't even tell the difference between a hearing and a case. I though that a tentative date for the case has been set in January 2010.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 10:21 am

In 1996 an outsider in Dem party decided to run for the Illinois State Senator from Chicago. He faced a popular and long term incumbent and another prominent local candidate.
Faced with difficult odds, his team came up with the plan to ask the court to disqualify opponents. To be eligible to be put on the ballot, each candidate had to collect a certain number of forms signed by the voters from that district. The newcomer dismissed numerous forms submitted by his opponents based on discrepancies between forms and voting records.
This happened just few days before elections – when his opponents did not have chance to go back and collect more signatures.

The judge decided that the outsider had a standing to challenge his opponents' eligibility to be placed on the ballot and threw out questionable forms.
In the end, the new guy was the only candidate on the ballot – he won primary elections and won general elections in a heavily Dem district.

Fast forward 12 years – former newcomer is not an outsider any more. This time his eligibility was challenged by outsiders. So far courts have decided to “punt the ball”, let somebody else deals with the situation.

Who will protect the rights of minority party candidates from oppressive behavior of two major parties? Who will make sure that major parties follow the Constitution when it comes to eligibility to be placed on the ballot?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 10:43 am

No matter what resolution is passed by the Congress, it cannot change the Constitution.

There are two issues related to Obama's eligibility:
1. Being a dual citizen at birth.

2. Questionable place of birth (if he was born outside the USA, he was not even citizen at birth because his mother was to young and could not pass her US citizenship to him automatically).

If you really wanted to find out the truth, you would have asked Obama to release the simple biographical data – long form birth certificate. This could help resolve the birthplace issue. Various reporters over many years have reported three COUNTRIES as birthplaces for Obama. Even pro-Obama web sites have published contradictory information about two different Hawaii hospitals as his birthplace. Instead of guessing or having a blind trust in Obama's word – US public should be presented with verifiable evidence of Obama's birthplace.

Then we could focus on the issue of being a dual citizen at birth. This is something that Supreme court will have to get involved.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 11:12 am

What are you trying to say? The first sentence and the third sentence seem to be in conflict.
The fourth sentence is confusing too.
“keep of” or “keep off”?
“you seems” or “you seem to be”

You could not even quote my screen name correctly – if you want other people to take your posts seriously, you will have to be more careful with your words.

Please read your post once again after submitting it. I may not be able to change your mind on eligibility issue – at least you got a free advice about communicating your message to others.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

What you fail to understand is the definition of natural born citizen. You like to take Orly's definition which is FALSE. She claims both parents must be citizens and that is FALSE. Since Obama was born on US soil and in a state of the union, he is a natural born citizen and was qualified to run for president and is qualified to be president.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 1:34 pm

That's right, AXJ. He's writing a motion to dismiss because Orly's case has no merits. Man, you are dumb. An 'extensive motion to dismiss'? If the case was going to go forward, as you believe, he wouldn't be writing a motion to dismiss. However, he is writing a motion to dismiss and then Orly will appeal because she's an idiot.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 1:37 pm

Poor Crazy Keyes. Like he would have won the election had Obama not been on the ballot. He has not been harmed in anyway. He should just crawl off to a corner and lick his wounds.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

You'll have to put it up your ass, Corn. You're wearing it.


Jim
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

Makes sense. That's where they've been pulling all their BS from, out their assese!


Jim
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

Oh, she appealed it…

http://media.ledger-enquirer.com/smedia/2009/10…

Reads like all her other filings. Wonder if Judge Land will call the appeal frivolous, it definitely did not address any of the Judge's reasons for the sanctions. We have $20 Grand…can we get 30?


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

Put down the crack pipe…”he is writing an extensive motion to dismiss” WTF?

The judge rules on the motion the DEFENSE wrote…idiot!

Carter will rule to dismiss and the case dies as it should…


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

This appeal such as it was goes to the appeals court for the 11th circuit. Judge Land won't be writing another wonderful smack down for this one…I'm sure the appeals court will though since she didn't appeal anything correctly…LMAO!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

Do you make this stuff up as you go or did someone switch your meds with skittles?


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

Nothing to explain since the pictures are bogus. The courts cannot decide as the courts have repeatedly stated in 9 other dismissed cases and soon to be number ten…that no one has standing and the cases offer no justicability…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

I researched Natural Born in November of 2008 and posted the definition all around the net, Thank You! It is old English Law and quite clear.
Born of Blood and Soil.
Then you have John Jay's letter to George Washington dealing with why they needed to restrict who became President even though they themselves were not eligible under the Natural Born restriction to become President themselves.
If you have half a brain this is logical truth with no question of authenticity.


Jim
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Oldfart: “If you have half a brain this is logical truth with no question of authenticity.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Unfortunately, blowers have no brains. Chief Justice of SCOTUS knows what a NBC is better than any blower, and he felt so comfortable that Obama was a NBC he swore him in! So, who's word do we take, the Chief Justice, or some anonymous poster that has shown he has no idea of laws or our constitution? I think I'll go with the Chief Justice.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

deadtater, keep dreaming, your magic idol with feet of clay will soon be removed by Federal Marshals in Chains we can depend on. He will probably spend the rest of his life in a Federal Prison for election fraud if not treason and be surrounded by all his Communist conspirators. Hope they can warehouse them all in one location to keep them from contaminating other inmates. Can't you see this has healed America from all the falsehoods propagated by the fake MSM for going on 40 years now. We will rebuild America into the country it used to be before the Communists started their infiltration. Thanks Obots we couldn't have done it without you.


Jim
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Old dirtyman, you are SOOOO full of it. But, since all you have are your delusions, So, now are you holed up in your basement? Got plenty of food and water…and ammunition? Better get ready, the FEMA camps will be opening soon, they have you as one of the first on their lists. LOL, we are rebuilding, someone has to clean up the mess of 8 years of Bush.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

The name of the popular Dem party incumbant in Chicago's 13th district is Alice Parker. She won the elections prior to 1996 with 83% of the vote in that district. There is an interesting You Tube video about her and 1996 elections.

You can learn a lot about someone's character by observing their behavior. Obama started his “community organizer” career by helping to register minority voters. When it was necessary to advance his own interests – he had no problem removing the signatures of same voters.
Al Gore made a mistake in 2000. He should have brought Obama's team from Chicago to organize a recount.

I also missed the story about the run for the US Senate seat. It was not a done deal that he was going to win it. In Chicago, privacy laws do not apply if your opponent is a GOP member.

Details from the court sealed divorce records of Obama's opponent were leaked to the media. There was no concern about anyone's “privacy”.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

Check the story about Obama's first race for public office. He used courts to disqualify opponents. There was no chance for him to win elections against the popular incumbent Alice Parker. She won previous elections in the same district with more than 80% of the vote. Yet, court allowed him to challenge voter signatures of his opponent – this was the eligibility requirement to get on the ballot.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

YOU do not fucking know that, because it has NEVER been decided by a court, you stupid moron. No court has ever ruled on the exact meaning of natural born citizen. The exact meaning of natural born citizen, comes from the Law of Nations! Check it out!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

The law is CLEAR and YOU are WRONG!


Jim
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

No, Chief Justice is correct…you are wrong.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

What is the source for your definition of NBC as being born in USA and being a dual citizen at birth?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Hmmm, I was wondering how all you leftie losers here, explain these articles:
(I am sure they will probably get scrubbed after being put here, so get your snapshots people)

“African News Headline: KENYAN-BORN OBAMA MAKES HISTORY!”
http://jillosophy.blogspot.com/2008/06/african-…

“Little wonder then why Kenyan-born Barack Obama, America's first Black President,”
http://allafrica.com/stories/200908200781.html

“As Kenyan born US Senator Barack Obama jets into Kenya today as part of his African tour,”
http://www.africa-ata.org/ug_newsletter.htm

“Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.”
http://web.archive.org/web/20060207151627/http:…

“Kampala — Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan born-senator, Barack Obama for the US presidency.”
http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

“The Kenyan-born Senator will, however, face a stiff competition from his Republican counterpart,”
http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/411…

“She also describes the stories that have been exciting, including the U.S. presidential race of Kenyan-born Sen. Barack Obama.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st…

“Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) relating the remark of Kenyan historian Ali Mazrui on the oddity that a member of Kenya's Luo tribe (Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth) may become president of the United States before a Luo tribe member becomes president of Kenya.”
http://www.archive.org/details/OtunnuOnLuoTribe…

And lastly, the missing debate thapes that will PROVE from Obama's own mouth that his is NOT natural born! (We need to find this debate from 2004 people)

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/o…

Video about it too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjtwwxILZxQ&feat…

ANYONE????


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

The only dreamer is you oldman333. All I see is tired old people dreaming of what never was, praying to build something that never will be.


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

None of that dribble is relevant to the discussion…it does however show your character is all over the place or that someone is screwing with your meds.

As far as Jack Ryan losing his spot on the GOP Ticket when incumbent Fitzgerald retired his seat, someone clearly broke the law by releasing sealed records against the will of both parents. Doesn't matter what party you're in, but Ryan withdrew as the GOP front runner and the GOP put up (guess who) Former Ambassador Allen Keyes which allowed Obama to win hands down with 70% (okay 69.97%) of the vote in that district since Carol Mosely Brown declined to run on the Democratic Ticket.

Here go read this to satisfy your curiosity and then get back on topic.


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

SCOTUS has ruled several times…and the book “The Law of Nations has no bearing on AMERICAN Law…Period. Now go fix some eggs and bacon for your husband…


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

Amazing that you resort to “Old English” law when SCOTUS rulings and the Constitution do not…We fought the British to gid rid of their law, not to continue their antiquated nonsense…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

Why doesn't Whorely just take this “evidence” into the courtroom with her if you think it amounts to anything? By the way, Corny, I've been meaning to tell you that, of all your hilarious little expressive exclamations I think my favorite one is “WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP” You are very colorful, I will give you that.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Yes, natural, you're right about learning about peoples character from their behavior: your incessant character-assassination has illustrated your character countless times at this blog in full technicolor.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

For a right winger the sudden credibility givento Law of Nations is very refreshing. Too bad for you that no-one is taken in by your huge evasion of settled US law in order to arrive at the lame conclusion you have reached.Those Birfer websites are feeding you unadulterated swill, Corny— you need to take an occasional break from the Birferverse and see how the real world operates.


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

LOL!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Okay all you birthtards, Obama has declared a National Swine Flu Emergency. Of course that means none of you better get caught sneezing or he will send you to his secret FEMA Concentration Camps!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

oldracistman, so ironic that you would resort to “old English law” while, in the same breath excoriating Obama as, essentially, English. Does it not strike you as counter-intuitive that your case against Obama, on the one hand, attempts to cite colonial-era American distrust of all things British but, on the other hand, you do your utmost to drag British law into your argument?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

Corny cites the Law of Nations, oldracistman cites “old English law”—-the pattern is clear: they make their case by avoiding US law: Hey, how about quoting the Chronicle of Laws of the Intergalactic Federation of Frunabulax? That ought to cinch your case.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

It's not so much the dumb, it's the dumb plus crazy plus hateful that truly amazes.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

8 years from now you'll probably be still entertaining these quaint fantasies of retribution and s&m bondage. Then you'll be appealing to President Biden to hunt down Obama and apply your sick scenario involving whips & chains. It'll never end for you
seek help


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

What are you babbling about this time. Are you talking to yourself again.

Wow. It is amazing, you were able to decipher bither talk. I tried really hard to use the illogical error prone language that some birthers used but failled.

Try to find out what “NZC” sounds phonetically. It is really funny.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

You researched natural born. Yes, you are nuts. Yes, there are relationship between English Law and American Law. However, this is about the American Constitution. The question that you are trying to present is has already been answered by the courts.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

Actually, what you saw was in a dream. I seriously doubt that you have any exclusive information about the judge. Also, did you know another case has been dismissed. So, it seems that you wet dream is just that, a dream.


Anteni
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

Could it actually be possible that Ms. Taitz will single handily stop the birther movement. The deeper these birthers go the more interesting it gets.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:19 am

I understand that it is not easy to break old habits of speaking without thinking first. Try it, it may do you some good in life.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:19 am

I understand that it is not easy to break old habits of speaking without thinking first. Try it, it may do you some good in life.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:26 am

What chance did Obama have in 1996 running against a popular incumbent (Alice Parker) who won the previous elections with more than 80% of the vote?
Yet Obama was allowed to challenge the signatures collected by his opponents and disqualify them from being on the ballot. Courts did not drag their feet until after elections to make a decision.
Prompt court action allowed Obama to run unopposed in Dem primaries and ultimately win his first public office (Illinois State Senate seat).


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:26 am

What chance did Obama have in 1996 running against a popular incumbent (Alice Parker) who won the previous elections with more than 80% of the vote?
Yet Obama was allowed to challenge the signatures collected by his opponents and disqualify them from being on the ballot. Courts did not drag their feet until after elections to make a decision.
Prompt court action allowed Obama to run unopposed in Dem primaries and ultimately win his first public office (Illinois State Senate seat).


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:26 am

What chance did Obama have in 1996 running against a popular incumbent (Alice Parker) who won the previous elections with more than 80% of the vote?
Yet Obama was allowed to challenge the signatures collected by his opponents and disqualify them from being on the ballot. Courts did not drag their feet until after elections to make a decision.
Prompt court action allowed Obama to run unopposed in Dem primaries and ultimately win his first public office (Illinois State Senate seat).


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

What character assassination are you talking about?
Perhaps you don't like anybody mentioning facts about Obama's moves to disqualify his opponents in previous elections?


Shisousha
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:03 am

Yes, refusing to acknowledge facts NZC is one of the main traits of being a birther. When more facts enter into the equation you continue to try to find absurd reasons to dismiss them.


Shisousha
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:03 am

Yes, refusing to acknowledge facts NZC is one of the main traits of being a birther. When more facts enter into the equation you continue to try to find absurd reasons to dismiss them.


Shisousha
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:03 am

Yes, refusing to acknowledge facts NZC is one of the main traits of being a birther. When more facts enter into the equation you continue to try to find absurd reasons to dismiss them.


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:06 am

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, this is a link to a video of Faux clips about who started the standoff between the White House and Faux News. Not only is it funny, but it sure explains a bunch of birthers on here. After all, they get their news from Faux. Check it out.

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&vid=e


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Thanks for the link. I think they ran something similar to this on Obermann's show last night. They are now known as a political organization and are the right arm of what used to be the Republican Party.


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:26 am

Just like the headlines so many years ago the morning after an election “Dewey beats Truman” the media doesn't always get it right because they are after all, human. In this case however, I would be more ready to believe that the majority of this stuff you guys are coming up with was created. It is so easy to do. Fake web sites, planted stories, changing names and cut and paste. It is easy to do for those so inclined. Why do you think they are always warning people to not respond to emails from those purported to be your financial institution or credit card company? They set up a fake ebay for God's sake! Anyone with some skills and a lack of morals and ethics will do what they can to support their lies and distortions. As far as the president, he even talked about being born in Hawaii in his books. He wouldn't have said anything different in any debate or anywhere else.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:34 am

What birthers fail to realize that their definition defy all logic. NZC doesn't know what he believes. It is kind of the definition, “I accept that Obama was born in Hawaii, and an American Citizen by birth. However, since both his parents weren't American Citizens at the time then he isn't a natural born citizen.”

Now, NZC throws in dual citizen without realizing that he is talking about two different issues.

“U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship over another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship.”


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:44 am

Perhaps you are delusional: Beyond doubt you are entertaining, in a sick sort of way


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:47 am

So, in a sense, you are saying that the evidence is DAMNING, if it were reported correctly? Your opinionis that it is MADE up, right?

Just want to make sure before I prove that many of those sites are legit newspapers…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:49 am

She has it and so does Judge Carter. Probably why he is taking so long because he is studying all the evidence. Once he see SOO MANY things that contradict that he IS LEGAL. He will have no choice but to let this case resume!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:53 am

The REAL news is FOX news. EVERYONE knows it!
Their rating beat all the rest, combined!
hahahaha


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:56 am

Yeah, and he holds back the vaccination…
The one time we need this vaccination immediately, they have the government in charge of distributing it, no wonder it is WAY behind!

Bureaucracy…proves right there that if this healthcare bill gets rammed through, this is what you will be dealing with!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:59 am

And what has you character assassination, illustrated?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:00 am

You know you love us. But just think, that will make it a lot easier to accept defeat, once we prove he is an Indonesian Muslim!


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:01 am

I don't know because I quit looking. Every time I go to these sites I end up with viruses trying to load on my computer. I am not going to any more of them. It is interesting though, that I only have a problem when I go to sites posted by birthers??!! I go to other sites with no problem. Will never go to Oily Taters site again. Took forever to get rid of the crap my computer caught there.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:03 am

History in the making. The first illegal US president removed from office for not being American.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:18 am

Wow, Einstein, you're pretty quick: Yes, if it were correct that our President was born in Kenya, that would pretty much make you right and all of us (and SCOTUS) Chief Justice Roberts wrong. I wait breathlessly now while you “prove” that OB is a foreigner (haven't we been here a few times before?) The newspaper which printed the headline Dewey Wins was not rendered illegtimate by that mistake, BTW, as embarrassing as it was for them. Additionally, Truman WAS sworn in that autumn, not Dewey…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:21 am

I thought you were proving he is Kenyan? Not this week? Well I suppose next week it'll be Sudanese, huh?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:09 am

And do you know why Orly's site had that script virus? It was because someone on YOUR side DID IT, to try and silence her. You guys are so damn scared that she is right, that you have to try and sabatoge her.

Orly's site has been cleaned and it is perfectly SAFE to go to NOW!
You guys can't silence her, no matter what you try to do. Check out her site, it has loads if retired judges and people in high places, that side with her! She's also has transcripts of the court cases, check em out!
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:32 am

Debunk dat!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:46 am

These days courts refuse to examine Obama's eligibility. They had no problems throwing his opponents from the race in 1996. At that time he had minimal chance to win on his own merit.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:54 am

It is not a secret how Obama won previous elections. Why would the one in 2008 be any different?

You did not comment on any facts in my posts on this thread – you are the one doing the character assassination.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:08 am

You are misquoting me. I do not believe Obama was born in Hawaii. I have mentioned this before but you must have missed it.

There are two problems with Obama's eligibility:
1. He is a dual citizen at BIRTH – as such he is not an NBC.

2. His birthplace is questionable – three different countries have been reported as his birthplace (in numerous newspapers over the years).

I think it is much easier to prove the second point – the long form birth certificate is on file with DoH. It should indicate Kapiolani Hospital as place of birth if Obama is telling the truth. If not – the game is over for Obama.

The first issue will be appealed to the Supreme Court and it will take longer time to get resolved.

If the meaning of NBC is “born as US citizen”, then it would have been written that way in the Constitution. The word “natural” would not be necessary in the sentence describing eligibility for presidency. Yet it is there – so it means that NBC is not the same as “born as citizen”.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:55 am

Their association with the Republican Party is quite obvious though their president. They are more about presenting the conservative perspective on world events. However, they have became misguided by being oblivious to the truth, and focused spreading propaganda. This has been there state for at least 10 years, if not more.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:00 am

With birthers lacking integrity and honestly I will have to doubt that. How many case courts must be dismissed until birthers realize that they are being disillusioned? 10, 20, 30.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:41 am

The deeper you go the more convoluted your argument becomes. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a dual citizen at birth. This issue in no way strengthen your position, actually it weakens it.

“U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship over another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship.”

Obama's birth place is not questionable. No one has been able to provide tangible evidence to support that Obama was born any where except Honolulu Hawaii.

“Any person born in United States is US citizen and proof of US citizenship is birth certificate for naturally born US citizens.”

When you have nothing for your argument you make yourself look silly.

There is no issue related to the first issue that you mention, since “U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship over another.” The child's birth must be registered with the relevant country. There is no evidence that Obama's birth has been registered with any government other that Hawaii. Thus, he doesn't or never had dual citizenship. Additionally, any dual citizenship he could have had with Kenya was lost when he turned 23.

When you attempt to suggest that a person can't be a natural born citizen and have dual citizen you attempt to distort the facts. Those are two different issues. Citizenship can be granted by the place of birth or the nationality of the parents. For children who are born dual citizen, they become dual citizen by nature of the place of birth and their parents nationality. It really isn't that hard to understand. However, a person can obtain dual citizen later in life, but this is more difficult.

As stated above to be a natural born citizen, the only requirement is to have an American birth certificate. Now, that isn't so difficult now is it.

What birthers fail to realize is that when a person makes a request from a government agency they must accept the information in the format that they a presented in. If the format changes, it changes. It is irrelevant what the format is in, as long as the information provided is what is request. Such with a birth certificate, the information is name of bearer, the name of the parents, the date and time of birth, and that is it. Any, additional material is not important.

You seem to be more wishing to be able to fly, than concerned with real legal issues. As you can see this issue is less complicated that you make it out to be.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:31 am

The more you make up stuff the worse you make things. Obama has yet to provide any evidence to a Court of Law to prove he was born in the USA. He has done the opposite which is seal his documents. Wait for the right subpoena from Judge Carter and then we shall see.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:50 am

Your claim that Obama's birthplace is not questionable is laughable. Name one other presidential candidate whose birth was reported in three different COUNTRIES.
For someone born in the USA it would be a trivial thing to produce the original long form birth certificate. Yet there is no such thing. Obama posted an image of a COLB document on friendly web site as a “proof” of his birthplace. It would take a simple phone call from Obama to approve the release of the original document – yet he will not do it.
His SS# was issued in CT (between 1977 and 1979) at the time when Obama was attending a high school in Hawaii!? It should have been issued in Hawaii, don't you think so?
In 1961 it was very easy for someone born outside the US to get a Hawaii birth certificate – a single affidavit from a relative was sufficient. The information contained on the COLB is not enough to prove someone's birthplace.

The NBC issue? As I mentioned above, the writers of US Constitution could have written a requirement for US presidency as “born US citizen” – instead they chose the phrase “natural born citizen”.

The naturalization act of 1790 gave the “natural born citizen” status to children of US citizens born abroad. This was repealed in 1795 when such children were granted US citizenship.

The first law (1790) gives good insight into who was considered a “natural born citizen” without any doubts: a person born in the US of citizen parents. They had doubts about children of US citizens born outside the US – hence the reason for the 1790 law.

There is no question that Obama was a dual citizen at birth – his father was a British citizen at the time. There was a concern among US constitution writers that a foreigner could become a commander of US military. That is why the phrase “natural born citizen” was added.
Your definition of NBC makes Obama eligible (if born in Hawaii) while McCain would not be. This is absurd from the viewpoint of national security.
The only definition of NBC that leaves no doubt about having an undivided loyalty at birth is the one that requires that person be born on US soil of citizen parents.

I am not arguing with you about any references to acquiring dual citizenship at some point in person's life. What is important for eligibility for US presidency is the status at birth.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Probably…it does however make for the most entertainment I’ve had all year…


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:43 am

Please, provide the proof that you have to Orly Taitz. She desperately needs it. It has been really embarrassing watching judges dismiss various birther cases a frivolous. It send of watching Ms. Taitz call everyone names that disagree with her.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:51 am

As I stated earlier you are distorting facts.

Let me explain things to you as simply as possible.

A birth certificate is a proof of citizen for natural born citizens.

It is not that complicated. Honestly, you can continue to make the issue more complicated that it is.

P.S. There has been a lot that has happened between 1790-1960.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:53 am

See they a just confused. They run in circles always contradicting themselves.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:57 am

Me think that Judge Carter is waiting to see if Ms. Taitz pays her $20,000. She said that she will appeal it.

The only thing that is getting worse is seeing yet another birther case getting dismissed as frivolous. Oh, sorry you didn't want to report that, since you are more interested in spreading misinformation. That is my mistake. I will do it again.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

I aligned myself more so with the Republican Party than the Democratic for many years. Was a huge fan of Reagan, voted for the first Bush, and probably was responsible for Clinton winning when I voted for Perot. Over the year's, I grew up. Some people never do. Reagan's economic policies didn't help this country. First Bush was a bit wiser but blew it when he said he wouldn't raise taxes. Problem with most people who call themselves Republicans today is that they think that the Republican Party stands for their values and keeps their taxes low. The Republican Party aligns itself with family values but they're hypocrites. As far as lower taxes, most 'Republicans' don't make enough money to pay higher taxes and already got a tax break from Obama. So the Republican Party has fooled them into voting for them. The Republicans ran up the debt after W was elected and blame Obama. They complain that Obama bailed out Wall Street when that process was already started under Bush and would have been passed by McCain had he won. You have to really wonder what Obama did so bad that people hate him. I can only come to the conclusion that they're racists. I know Orly is a racist.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

Just saying it or writing it doesn't make it true. Give me an independent source that will tell me that Faux has more viewers. The only viewers Faux News has are people that aren't terribly intelligent. My niece in-law being one of them.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

An example of how the Republicans are hypocrites. Bill O'Reilly says its alright for Sarah Palin's daughter to have a child but when Brittney Spear's younger sister gets pregnant, he calls her parents pin heads. Huge double standard there.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

And they say they are all just, misprints (errors)…LOLOL
Gimme a break!
I think Africa knows better that most, on this matter. It’s his home country.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

And they say they are all just, misprints (errors)…LOLOL
Gimme a break!
I think Africa knows better that most, on this matter. It’s his home country.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

The problem with the birthtards is they think that some federal judge has the power to remove Obama. Even if the Supreme Court hear their case (would never happen) they'd throw it out. Only Congress can remove the President through impeachment and those articles of impeachment would have to come from the House. Then and only then, would a judge (the Chief Justice) precide in this trial.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

I think it’s quite admirable that Corny is expanding her vocabulary with big words like frivolous. We should encourage her. Later, we’ll gently explain about mis-using and over-using fancy words to impress.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

I think it’s quite admirable that Corny is expanding her vocabulary with big words like frivolous. We should encourage her. Later, we’ll gently explain about mis-using and over-using fancy words to impress.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

Not looking good for Barry…
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21193106/KEYES-BARNET…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

LOL
“freaked out of his mind…” may not be far wrong, spacey: I would imagine everybody in the legal system who has come face to face with the redoubtable Orly has had the WTF moment to which you refer…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

LOL
“freaked out of his mind…” may not be far wrong, spacey: I would imagine everybody in the legal system who has come face to face with the redoubtable Orly has had the WTF moment to which you refer…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

The misinformation is coming fro YOU. Sitting here spewing, that this case is getting dismissed. There is no way that you have any clue what Judge Carter is going to do, so your comments are FRIVOLOUS!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

Everybody to the left of Joseph McCarthy is a commie to you, oldracistman, so who cares what you think (outside of your bubble of Birfer/Bircher miscreants)?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

Everybody to the left of Joseph McCarthy is a commie to you, oldracistman, so who cares what you think (outside of your bubble of Birfer/Bircher miscreants)?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

If Faux News is so influential, how come they didn’t, despite their energetic partisan campaign against Obama, prevent his election?
Oh yeah, I know your response: “It was a rigged election” LOL
See how predictable you clowns are?


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

No misinformation there, cornylies, just the fact that you have no standing. If you knew how to read the court minutes, and had even 3 working brain cells, you'd see that. But, don't take it from me, take it from someone who was there and has a much better understanding of the law than either you or Orly…Kreep stated that he did not think they got past the issue of standing and the case would soon be dismissed. It will only cost you $20 grand to see it corny…as I've stated many times.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

If ANYONE can seee that, then why hasn't he already dismissed it?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

It’s the unremitting hatred which keeps oldracistman, Corny, Red et al, going.
That’s why they admire such bitter, twisted types as Orly, Keyes, Limbaugh, Cheney, etc.


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

I told you, Orly owes the court in Georgia $20 grand. It isn't like they all work in a vacuum (unlike your brain), they know what is happening in other District Courts. And, you'll have to wait until either you pay for Orly, or the US Marshals collect for the court in about 21 days…then you get dismissed, again.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

WRONGGGGG!
On Oct 5, the day they went to court and Judge Carter said he needed time to make his decision, there was NO $20,000 fine. He could have easily dismissed it then. Why didn't he?


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

LOL…he was ready to! Then decided to turn the knife a little tighter on you idiots! Remember his final questioning of Kreep? Wait, sorry corny, forgot that you can't read. He basically asked Kreep if he'd prefer Judge Carter to just rule on the standing issue or if Kreep would like him to also address the evidence. Basically, he told Kreep he was going to dismiss and asked Kreep how big a beatdown he wanted. Read it and weep corny.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

What misinformation are you talking about. Do you mean the $20,000 fine. Or are you talking about the case another case that has been dismissed as being frivolous.

See their a major difference between people being reasonable and you. We speculate based on the facts, you speculate based on your disappointment.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

Old news and Susan Daniels is the only 'employ' of her 'firm'. She brought in a little over $50,000 last year. The software she's using to verify social security numbers is bunk.

This stuff was brought up in Judge Clay Land's court and was dismissed. It will be dismissed in Carter's court as soon as Orly pays her fine. That's the only thing holding up Carter's ruling which will be a dismissal.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

He probably didn't want to start a riot in his court room. 100+ birthtards in the court room and a ruling against Orly would be disasterous. However, I'm sure he didn't make his ruling at that time just because there were so many birthtards in the audience. He wants to make a coherent written decision that will stand up to any appeals court even though an appeals court would probably never hear it. Just doing everything by the book.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

You are an absolute moron. Carter is in California. However, Land in in Georgia. It was Land who fine Taitz.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Grasping at straws are we. It seems that you are so disillusioned that you are reviewing things that have already been dismissed by the courts.


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

There is no need to examine the eligibility of the Elected President. And unlike your false assumption, he had no problems winning in 1996. He was a Democrat in the Thugacracy of Chicago.

There is however a huge need to examine the sanity of the birthers who cannot get past the fact that he was born in Hawaii and has been certified as such.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Well, if you read what I replied to, you would KNOW that I was talking about, now wouldn't you?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Hello, you are the one that said Carter is waiting for her to pay Land. When Carter (From CA) had the hearing on Oct 5, Judge Land (from Georgia) hadn't yet fined her. So, there is NO possible way, he could have been WAITING for her to pay, before his decision. There was no fucking $20,000 fine as of Oct 5, IDIOT!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

Land dismissed the case on standing, NOT on the evidence, so YOU are WRONG! He never GOT to the evidence!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

So, why didn't he dismiss on Oct 5, when there was NO $20,000 fine?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

So, he could have done it the next day, when they were gone, WHY didn't he?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Nothing has been dismissed by the court, because the case hasn't been heard yet. Not one Judge has ruled on the EVIDENCE. Once we get to that point, a Judge WILL SEE all the EVIDENCE and have no choice but to rule against Obamacorn!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

A man that has nothing to hide hides nothing! That speaks a volume about this usurper sleeping in our White House.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

Carter does not give a rat's a$$ about the Idiot Clay's BS $20,000. Orly will never pay that A$$ hole a cent.


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

Except, Land DID talk about the evidence, or should I say lack of evidence, in his dismissal notice. I realize you have trouble with reading and comprehension, corny, but it is all there. Now, when are you sending the $20 grand?


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

So, now you're saying that Orly can blow off one District Court order and expect another District Court to act like the order never happen? Your delusions just get nuttier and nuttier there, oldlostinspace. But, since you won't believe me, let's see when Judge Carter releases his opinion. Will it be before or after Orly pays (whether she likes it or not).


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

He has hidden nothing. A man who will not accept facts need not be answered, oldidiot. And since you'll never accept facts, no answer to your delusions is necessary.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Ocl, Anteni is a brain dead bitch and can't understand logic. She just spews Obot BS!


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

There is now…and it's been what, 3 weeks since the hearing. Guess what…he's waiting.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

I see oldfart has emerged from his bomb shelter and is wearing his tin foil hat again. Some of these birthtards should be put into a mental hospital.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Just another example of how these birthtards think. They think they can bombard the courts with their delusional complaints and sooner or later one of the judges will hear their case. Unfortunately, each judge hasn't been able to find that they have any standing and Orly never argues her cases on their merits. Carter will dismiss just as every other judge has dismissed in Texas, Florida, Alabama, and New Jersey.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

I'm sure that corny has sent her contributions to Orly so that Orly can continue to go out to her lavish lunches on these idiots dime.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Just read the part in blue of this article. Orly found Carter wasn't as 'friendly' to her on Oct the 5th and she fear he has been bought off by Obama. If you read the transcript, you'll come to the conclusion that Carter can't figure out what Orly's trying to accomplish through his court when it is apparent she's pushing a political agenda.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

We don't hate him because he is 1/2 black, we hate the usurper because he is RED – a Communist!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

$aroni you don't know jack! The MSM is run by the Communist coup. Fox is the ONLY major American news organization that is partially free. They are still controlled by the upper management but they are far more open and honest than PMSNBC and the Communist News Network. Are you a paid up member of the American Communist Party?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

Great job of putting these all together in one group.
The truth will set us FREE!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Bury your head up your a– and remain blind and stupid!


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

I understand, oldmissinglink…you just hate him for anything you can make up about him. Makes sense, since we realize you don't live in the real world, just that delusional one with Orly.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

I agree. That's the MOST suspicious thing about this whole ordeal, that he is paying millions to HIDE it!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Facts are, he has NOT shown his REAL birth certificate. That COLB is a piece of garbage. WE WANT THE LONG FORM, which will show us the REAL truth, that he is THE USURPER!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Orly's got way more damning evidence, NOW. And the appeal on Land's case will bring all that out!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

YUUUP


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Sorry, cornylies, you saying it doesn't make it true. For the most part, YOU have been paying to get these cases dismissed. Or, as usual, did you forget Judge Land? He had the plaintiffs pay for the defense. BWAHAHAHAHA so all that money you've been sending Orly has been paying for Obama's defense, you eternal idiot. So, now you need to donate to Orly to pay for her lavish lifestyle AND for Obama's defense team. When will you stupid nuts realize you're being used by Orly to finance her lifestyle and not to get Obama out of the WH?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Uh Uh, he's going over that evidence and is probably freaked out of his mind, that HE is going to have to be the one to UNSEAT the President.

I am sure he now knows that Obama is illegal and is talking to people in high places, on how they are going to take care of this.


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

LOL…you don't get it cornylies. And, you never will…because you folks are way too stupid to realize what you need to do to see it. BTW, you don't determine what a legal BC is, the issuer does. So keep typing in caps and being so entertaining.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

When the appeal reverses it, that won't be the case, IDIOT!


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Sorry, the only appeal left in Georgia is for her sanction. There, the only evidence she can present is for how bat-sh*t crazy she is. And, after reading the hearing minutes and her responses, there will be no question of that. Have fun waiting on the inevitable there, corny!


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

Well, let's see who the IDIOT really is, cornylies. Who is her client in Geogia? Wait a minute, sorry, I forgot you can't think over that long ago. Let me give you a hint…Who fired Orly in Georgia? So, she's got no client. No appeal. No sh*t. And, it's going to cost you another $20 grand! Man, you folks are so stupid it makes slugs look smart in comparison!


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

What evidence? Forged documents? Oulandish theories? Or even better, that Orly is bat-sh*t crazy? I'll go with the latter, as he waits for Orly to pay up.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

OBAMA
SHOW US YER THEES-US!
WHAT ARE YEW HIDIN' ?!?!?

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Birfers:
I have comprehensive evidence that Obama is a fer-ner!!
I also have his original thees-us paper and it is full of commie talk!!

Please send me $250.00 cash or m.o. now!
(that means you, Corny!)

Limited offer——-ACT NOW!!!!!!!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Are you aware that people born outside of the US, can get the same Hawaiin COLB? The Laws of the Territory of Hawaii Act, allowed this!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Doesn't matter what you guys say, we will get this PROVEN, one way or another. We are not going to let this go.

It will get to the point where everyone will know all the evidence and they will all want him to just PROVE IT!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Yeah, Orly is so calculating that she has purposefully led us to believe that she's a ranting loon AND an incompetent lawyer: that way, ya see, we let down our guard and mis-underestimate her just when she's ready to unveil all that “way more damning evidence” she's been holding in reserve (learned that one from Perry Mason–or was it 'My Cousin Vinnie'?)
Damn, that Orly sure is one crafty Moldovian! LOL


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Hawaii is a State Tracy. Obama was born in the “STATE” of Hawaii.


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

She may say she won't pay, but the US Attorney will make her pay. LMAO!! You are such an idiot.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

That was the name of the ACT, that allows people born outside of the US, to get a HI COLB, you fucking IDIOT! Mannnn, clang!


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Exactly…Orly never argues the “merits” of the case, yet birthers scream that the case must be heard on it's merits.

Soon Judge Carter will dismiss this case and Orly will be off suing Wells Fargo. LMAO!!!

And the Birthers? They'll be left high and dry with no one to take up their cause…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

Look my post up on this thread. It tells you that Obama disqualified a popular incumbent (fellow Democrat, Alice Parker) from being on the ballot in the PRIMARIES.

Parker won previous elections with more than 80% of the vote in that district. Obama had minimal chances to defeat her in Dem party PRIMARIES. However, he removed all Dem party opponents in that race and went on to win the Illinois State Senate seat

Double standards have been applied when it comes to enforcing the eligibility to put a candidate’s name on the ballot.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, there would be no need to obtain a SS# issued in CT. At the time the SS# was issued (1977-1979), he was attending the high school in Hawaii.


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

So he can sit back and watch you birthers squirm!

Sheesh…

When a judge says he is taking a motion into consideration, he is researching case law to write his opinion which is most likely to be as good as Judge Land's…LOL!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

No…new evidence will not be allowed because her appeal will be denied because she's so damn incompetent she cannot correctly write an appeal.


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Actually, as has been proven time and time again, it's the blowers who don't matter. They have no standing, no intelligence, no clue, and no working brain cells. But, they are funnier than sh*t!


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

But, it would say what country they're born in…not Hawaii. That clang you gave was you bouncing it off the iron…again. Consistently a bad shot, aren't you cornylies!


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Dumbass, Obama doesn't have to prove anything… you birthers continue to forget that “we are innocent until proven guilty” All of the burden of proof lies with the plaintiffs and Orly continues to use false and debunked evidence…no judge will allow his courtroom to be used in such a manor as to be a circus hence Orly will be paying her fine and soon to be disbarred.


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Calling him frivolous? LMAO! You must be Orly's sister…LMAO!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Could you name a government job/agency that allows an applicant to post a document on the web and be taken seriously by the government.

We are not talking about criminal case here – it is about fulfilling eligibility requirements for a public office.


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Then why has every President sealed their own records? To keep people like you out of their private lives…LMAO!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

You are 100% wrong. Look it up. People born outside the country can get a HI COLB, saying they were born in Hawaii. That is what the act enabled!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

You are 100% wrong. Look it up. People born outside the country can get a HI COLB, saying they were born in Hawaii. That is what the act enabled!


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Sorry…there is no standing in which to present evidence, and there is no evidence that has not already been debunked completely…


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

No, YOU are 101% wrong cornyliar, but no surprise there. Since you wouldn't know how to read or interpret any law on the books.


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Hellooooo idiot…Territorial Acts are not relevant when a Territory becomes a state…Sheeesh…did you graduate 8th grade or not?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:27 am

The case is not about impeaching Obama. It is about determining the truth whether Obama was eligible to run.
If it turns out that he was not – we can leave it to the Congress to decide what they want to do – keep Obama in the office of throw him out.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

Unfortunately, the $20,000 isn't enough. We, as tax payers, are paying for the defense. It's too bad the court couldn't impose a million dollar sanction on her.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Nobody told Corny Hawaii is a state now, so I can see how she'd muck that one up. Not her fault.


Shisousha
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:36 am

I wonder how many of the suits have gone to trail. None. All of them have gotten dismissed. Is hearing judges rule on various case being frivolous.

As, I stated before “there a major difference between people being reasonable and you. We speculate based on the facts, you speculate based on your disappointment.”

Also, please learn the correct usage of the word frivolous.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:38 am

She’s made mistakes on all of her documents…she’s “THAT” incompetent…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Hopefully the Birfers will soldier on once Orly has been carted off. I just hate to see a good freakshow leave town…makes me sad


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:39 am

Umm..no…more Birther mythology at work here. This has all been debunked already.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Uhhh, sorry…but they have gotten beyond the standing issue in the CA case! There would not have been expedited discovery, had it not been.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:40 am

Good point…LOL!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Hello IDIOT, that was the LAW at the time, which allowed him to apply for the COLB. If what you are saying, that those laws don't apply now, then you are saying that the colb he applied for back then from that ACT, is NO GOOD. hahahaha
Dumbass!!


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Uhh, sorry cornylies, the last statement from the Judge was that discovery CANNOT begin. You are such a loser, you can't even get that simple statement correct.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Obama's own sister who was born in Indonesia (not disputed) also has the same Hawaiian COLB. So, Obama's proves NOTHING!


Shisousha
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:45 am

Yes, that is correct you moron. Carter knows that Taitz has an issue with an other federal case and must be waiting for that issue to be resolved.

Today is October 25. That almost 3 weeks. Hmmm.

See in your disillusioned stated you just can’t make any logical connections. You continue to dismiss facts to support your disappoint, and can see the truth in front of you.

Honestly, just give up before you embarrass yourself more.


Shisousha
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:47 am

In simple English.

October 5, No fine progress.
Then there was a fine.
Then wait.


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

And, as per the blower lawyer who requested it, Hawaii officially stated they had NO BC for Maya. Wrong again liar!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

Just look at the last set of documents she filed. The majority of them were returned because she didn't follow procedures for filing them. One of Land's complaints is that Orly couldn't follow simple procedures.


Shisousha
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:50 am

With you inability to connect the dots who would believe your nonsense. Like honestly the only out come I can see from these birther lawsuits is one disbarred lawyer. Yes, she still will be a dentist and a real estate agent living in California. However, Taitz law career will be over.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

You are clueless. The Judge ordered discovery back in Sept., but because of Obama's Motion to Dismiss claim came in, they put a stay on the discovery. But it was ordered at first…so once the MTD is denied, it then diverts to immediate discovery, since it was already filed and granted.


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

sorry liar, you are the one that is clueless. But, no surprise there. Court procedures have to advance in certain steps, and discovery will never be reached. Good luck on you delusions, though, because you're going to be oh so disappointed when this gets dismissed.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:55 am

What has been debunked? Disqualifying opponents in primary elections in 1996 or SS#?

I know that neither fact is convenient for those believing in Obama mythology.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

$afuck she will NEVER pay a cent!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Jim if you only had a brain you too would want to know The truth! The whole truth! and nothing but The truth! A life built on lies and deception is not much of a life. Get out of your communist fantasy. It will never last in America!


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

The wisest man in the world, oldfartanddies, is the one who takes his own advice. You, on the other hand, can only scream at others…since that is all you have left to vent your paranoid biases. Keep up the good work, we enjoy having your type right where we want you. Keep typing, we're now honing into your address. We know you're in the basement, we'll soon be there to take you away. We have a special section for you at the FEMA camp. All your guards will be specially trained to handle you…plus a special selection of music, courtesy of the Bush administrations “It isn't torture” policy.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

They also listed ALL info on Barack Hussein Obama and it listed Bride and Groom! That was a marriage license! They created the COLB off information on a MARRIAGE LICENSE not a Birth Certificate, and this is all the information Hawaii has on BHO. That's why he will not release his BC, he does not have a BC, and the Marriage License does not prove he was born in Hawaii.


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Oldman, keep up. That was the 1st release, which Hawaii apologized for. The latest shows the BC, plus no BC for Maya, plus the marriage. You really need to keep up.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

I hope she doesn't. Then they'll take it from her or put her in jail for contempt.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Sorry LOSER, but the motion to grant discovery came in on Sept 10, but is being held up because of the motion to dismiss, but it HAS already been granted!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Will you brainwashed Obots run and hide when Carter orders discovery, or will you pony up and admit you were wrong right here?


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Liar, you just keep on being more and more humorous and showing more and more stupidity. Grant would mean discovery has started. In his last order, he did not allow discovery to begin. All he did was schedule a possible start date…which will never happen since it will be dismissed. But, of course, you would never understand that, being of the same intelligence as your favorite dingbat blond.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

They'll be around for years to come. Sadly, they're numbers will dwindle and then there will be silence. As long as they're around to argue with, I'm going to stand up for our President.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Carter won't order discovery. And you'll tuck your tail and hide as soon as the case is dismissed. Go back into your bomb bunker, birthtard.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

As sure as I was of Obama being elected, I am sure it won't be long before Orly's appeal is denied, she'll have to pay the fine or be jailed, AND Carter will dismiss her case in his court. When you look at all of the lawsuits she has filed and a 100% dismissal because she has no standing in the courts it is just guaranteed.


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:50 am

YMBJ: “I need to refer back to be sure, but I think I recall it was for injured or disabled military. I thought that was kind of a nice touch that he would be want her sanction money to go to a fund to help military”

Amen for the soldiers it will help…sometimes we forget where the real fights are.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Obots, click ObamacornLies site and type what you think about these Facts. Facts not lies. Can you deal with facts?


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

The birthtards can't get it through their heads that the documents that have been coming out of Carter's court are standard procedure and general house keeping. Just tells you how poor of an attorney Orly is. She thinks the case is going forward and tells her idiots that they're going forward.


Jim
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

I like it better that it shows how far from reality blowers really are. Also, shows that they are just dogs following a b*tch in heat…ready, willing, and stupidly able to follow without questioning.


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

The money doesn't go to the judge, it goes to the feds. The judge did ask the US Attorney if it can go to an organization that supports military members instead of just into the fund most such go into. I need to refer back to be sure, but I think I recall it was for injured or disabled military. I thought that was kind of a nice touch that he would be want her sanction money to go to a fund to help military when Oily filed her lawsuits supposedly on military members behalf but in reality to support her agenda. She doesn't give a rats behind about her “plaintiffs”- she only needed them to try to get into court. Which became clear after Rhodes fired her and she wanted to be removed as attorney of record so she could breach privilege to say bad things about her former client. Just what every plaintiff needs- an attorney like her!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:06 am

backa phony
They’re all full of delusional Obots.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:16 am

Ant, you keep talking about a paper that has never been held, examined, tested, authenticated, or verified by anyone that used it to vet Obama. The Vetting never took place and the COLB would never stand up in court.
Better find some new material to keep the Obot lies alive.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Ant, – read up on Natural Born American Citizen.
You will see that the BC or the COLB are meaningless.
With a foreign father and being born a Brit, for the office of POTUS you aren’t fit.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Obots, read it and weep!

http://outragedamericansforjustice.blogspot.com…

Now don't go hide! Start looking for the FACTS!


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Oldidiotbottle…I’m sure that Chief Justice of SCOTUS would love to hear your reasoning…except he knows it’s wrong. Therefor, the Judge followed his oath and swore in Obama. I think you’re out of it if you think Mr Chief Justice would go back on his oath.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=5241

new info.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

Don't push your politics on me.

This is so amusing. You birthtards are the ones that will be weeping all the way until 2016. BWAHAHHAHHAHHAHHA!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

Oh, new made up info. Yawn…..


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

backaphony, the case will go to trial January 26th!

http://outragedamericansforjustice.blogspot.com


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:28 am

oldfucker666, the case will be dismissed!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:29 am

I am fairly sure that it is a fact that you have a screw loose.


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:37 am

Once Hawaii became a state, the Territorial Law become obsolete and Hawaii was a state when Obama was born in Hawaii…LOL! So try again. ROLFMAO!!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Ummm…no. They haven't gotten past the standing issue. That's what the judge is going to rule on when he rules to dismiss…NO STANDING just like all the other cases…LMAO!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Where are the law papers that a constitutional law scholar would have been expected to write in his career?

Did Obama publish a single law paper?

Can you say: Affirmative action professor.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Take some time and read the bottom of it. Honestly, people like you don't decide what is legal or not. The State of Hawaii wrote “the copy servers as prima facle of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” Do you know what that means? It means that it is a legal documents. Actually, it has more values that the nonsense that you continue to spread.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:58 am

This is what makes you a moron. The place of birth would not be Honolulu. It isn't that hard to understand. Really, it isn't. You seem to make things more complicated than they are and then you get confused.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:02 am

OldMan. The only “truth” that there is, is that you are just making things up to support your disappoint in the election lost. When you argue on made up nonsense it is easy to get confused. You try to present that America is becoming a communist state, now you try to portray is as a fantasy. Just give it up man. You are only embarrassing yourself.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:12 am

See the reason that you are called a birther is that you refuse to acknowledge the proven facts. Instead you get into arguments which are devoid of reasoning.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:14 am

That what I am hoping that she does. It has been fun watching the various Taitz melt downs. Knowing that she was finally held in contempt would be funny.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Yes that is true “Not one Judge has ruled on the EVIDENCE”, because the cases have been dismissed. You are funny.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Wrong. Wrong. Ahhh, I think you have the facts all distorted. Anything that Carter orders will only end up will further humiliating you birthers. And, to image that this all started after the 2008 presidential election victory for Obama. Yes, that was the first humiliation.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:25 am

Ms. Taitz isn't a very bright lawyer is she. A better lawyer would have ensured that their case was well written using the law.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:30 am

What you don't understand the courts work different that the lunatics. They work on the principle of law not propaganda. So far birthers haven't been able to show that they have legal standing. You have to prove that you have been harmed. With the rest of America, most of America, accepting that the birth certificate is authentic. It seems that soon you will get another shocking disappoint. buckaroni said 2016, but without more people telling you to drop the issue, it may be 2024.

For the good of America stop your nonsense and accept the election loss.


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:31 am

Pretty much, a better lawyer wouldn't touch this, unless they had an agenda or a good supply of $$$.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Orly Taitz's web site. Honestly, she had a major melt down when she couldn't answer a simple question. Do you honestly believe that anyone would trust the nonsense from someone who knowingly used a forged document as part of her legal arguments. Not, as proof as the document being forged, but as an authentic document or to embarrass the other side.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:40 am

It seems that someone is playing April Fool on you, and you just don't realize it.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:45 am

A haft decent lawyer would have turn down the original case. However, with Taitz inept legal writings her attempt to appeal will be only met with laughter (for birthers that is metaphorically just in case you are still have a hard time understanding) .


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 2:32 am

Kinda wild, if ya think about it, the illuminati crap…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 2:54 am

Drunk or on meds again? Read what you type!


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Excellent rebuttal. I am humbled by your refusal to accept the facts.


Shisousha
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:27 am

You are just categorically dishonest. Do you honestly believe that someone like you would be able to touch the birth certificate of someone you are spread lies about?

Anyways, it takes a person who suffering delusion to honestly believe any of the nonsense your wrote.

Honestly, take some time and look through your comments logically. Then try to determine how what you proposed is possible.

Then and only then will you realize that your comments is just nuts.

I have heard of many conspiracy theories, and upon further investigation the arguments just fall apart.

They are devote of genuine facts, but use conjecture instead.

They attempt to distort the facts, by using various methods.

They even use half truths as you are attempting to do.

As I have said before, I have seen conspiracy theories before. Do you honestly think that this birther movement is original or unique? No, it is not.

What makes this conspiracy theory different that others is the facts are simpler. That is it. One simple legal document.

The document in question has been verified, and confirmed to be authentic. No distortions of the English language will change this fact. No distortions of the truth will change this fact.

If you honestly want to spread your conspiracy theory you are better off telling it to someone who will accept your lies. Otherwise, be prepared for people to debunk your nonsense as what it is, just a plain inconsistent inept illogical disillusion.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:31 am

A haft decent lawyer would have turn down the,
A half decent lawyer would have turned down the,
would have been better don't you think & you say Orly has inept legal writings! now that is funny.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 6:11 am

Yes. Just like Orly Taitz you are inept. Yes, Taitz is not a half decent lawyer.

I have debunked you so many times.

Why don't you try to defend the statement where I called you “Wrong.”

Or, why didn't you defend when I stated Ms. Taitz may be held in contempt.

Or, when I expressed your nonsense as propaganda.

Or, I suggested that someone is playing April Fool on you.

You are a moron. You have no nothing to defend yourself on your insane disillusion.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 6:40 am

Is there something missing from “the case will go to trial January 26th!” I wounder what is missing. Honestly, nobody really cares. There is more concern about the context, and what is being discussed.

See you and your fellow bithers are more concerned with having things fit your disillusions, that you are oblivious to the obvious facts. See Orly Taitz's clients and others don't have a legal standing, but you continue to deceive yourself.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

All of Orly’s so called Evidence…including the new so called AP Article.

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/snopes-debunks-orlys-request-for-judicial-notice/


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:08 pm

Well, their new 'evidence' is a series of articles that came from AP news and were written in Kenya. The author(s) of those articles wrote that Obama was born in Kenya – and I'm sure it was due to their pride of Obama having Kenyan roots. But seriously, coming from a Kenyan journalist or even an American journalist, it's apparent they didn't have their facts straight. But because it was printed in the news, it has to be true.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

The amazing part of this to me is that there were questions of Obama's eligibility before he was even elected. Did they do anything at that time? No. They waited until January 20th, 2009, to start their lawsuits. What amuses me is reading the transcript from the October 5th hearing where Carter asks Orly why she didn't get her lawsuit filed before the Electorate cast their vote. I can see where this is headed because of that one question. They have no standing and the judge won't be able to find any way to intervene because it is now up the the First Branch of Law (Congress) to handle the removal of Obama through articles of impeachment IF they can find just cause.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

I want to thank Orly Tatters and all the birthtards for bringing this 'Constitutional' requirement that at least one parent be a US born citizen to light. This will give us (We the People), plenty of time to challenge Bobby Jindal when he's nominated to run for President in 2012. (Do a search on Google. He's their rising star). Unfortunately for Bobby, both of his parents immigrated to the United States in 1971 and Bobby was born 3 months later. So, by your reasoning, we won't have to deal with having someone from India possibly running the country. Could you imagine what that would be like? Everyday would be like a computer tech support telephone call…


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

And I will now apologize for my comment because it is racist. Bobby Jindal is eligible to run for President because he is a natural born citizen.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

I was wondering whether it was an error. There is no reason to worry about Jindal. The GOP is in trouble since they lack any real leadership. Remember this is the same party that though that Sarah Palin was vice-presidential material. With the GOP lacking any vision for America, and instead spreading obvious lies they are stuck. Honestly, the GOP has some bright people but they would rather have people who don't get people who don't appeal to independent voters.


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

Honestly, I have read two articles and both meaningless. The first didn't discuss Obama. There was a mention of Obama in the title and then in the first sentence. After the first sentence their was no mention of Obama or Kenya. However, there was a mention of a disgraced GOP nominee for a Illinois Senator.

The second, I had to laugh out. They seem to not even take time to read the full article. The last 3 paragraphs talked about the reason Obama father came to Hawaii, and that he continued to study in Hawaii after Obama was born.

Birthers are so disillusioned that they just don't check the facts, let alone read.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

Actually, Orly states that Jindal isn't qualified to run because he isn't a natural born citizen. I was reading a story this morning that Jindal is the GOP's rising star and is expected to run for president in 2012. So, my argument is a moot point with the birthers. They'd have to be against him as well. The GOP isn't what it used to be and seems to be dying off as a party. I'm starting to think that the Independents will gain more standing and become the other side of issues when it comes to the more conservative aspects of politics.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:05 pm

It is most amusing to read what's being posted on Orly's website right now. They're talking about Obama having an child with a woman that worked on his campaign back in 2004 and that child was born around Halloween and died on Christmas day. They think there should be a murder investigation. One of the comments goes into numerology and how all of this is tied into the tsunami on December 26th, 2004, the day after this supposed child died.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Birthers get rickrolled:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/25/796816…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Can you say LIAR…that's all Obama is, is a compulsive “LIAR”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Sx3UyWbAk&feat…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Pfffttt, didn't get me. I saw that comment on AJX, when it first came out…first thing I did was click that rick link, which made it all clear to me, that it was just the losers, trying to distract us from out researching and trying to make US look like the nuts, when in the end, it was just a foolish prank, set up…by the left.

Just shows what they are made of. Distraction, distraction, distraction…ain't gonna happen. I check my facts, which is why you didn't see me posting that anywhere…

la di da…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

And just where is this “TRAIL” that you speak of, located?

Also, please learn the correct spelling of the word TRIAL.


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

I'm still questioning why Orly is Eligible to be a lawyer.


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

More Birffer mythology.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Of course she is. She is a Natural Born Liar.


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Nothing to look for since this is a false story. Judge Carter still has not issued his ruling to dismiss…

I do however have a few bridges to sell you since you are so gullible as to believe anything you read without doing some due diligence on your own.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Actually the original AP article had no mention of Obama's birthplace. That was added in when they article was reprinted in Kenya. A bit of “editorial license,” it would seem.


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

It's part of the job description for ALL politicians…


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Okay…in that light I suppose so…I wonder when she's going to run for Congress?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

Is English your second language? You seem to have issues with using the correct word in it’s proper meaning. Are you a illegal wetback and therefore support him because he, like you should not be in this country? Bet you’re wanting that idiot amnesty and dodging ICE today. Presidents have to prove they are Natural Born American Citizens. Have the )o( prove he is a Natural Born American Citizen, not a liar, has never gone to school as a foreign student, has a real legal SS #, filled out a Selective Service Registration card when he turned 17, and has never had citizenship in any foreign country, and then we will stop defending our America. Hell, I’ll buy him a beer.


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Both parents said she was diagnosed with the illness because that is what the pediatrician told them. The only difference in the stories was the age at the time and I would submit that mothers are better than fathers most of the time when it comes to week and month ages of our offspring. I did not hear either parent say she did not have it so the Times may have assumed that was what they meant and the Times was wrong. Either way, the president didn't lie. As to the cancer patient, perhaps he was talking about a different person then the once you referenced. I read a letter written by a family member whose father died because of a halt in his treatment. The insurance companies do this kind of thing regularly and people die as a result. It has happened to many- men, women and children. I have heard so many stories directly from affected people the president could have been talking about many different people. Once again, a birther has leaped before looking and came to an inaccurate conclusion. You prove it isn't about facts each and every time you proclaim something else that can easily be debunked. It is about your hatred and not about reality. Oh, I know you will tell me to get ****** or some other unprintable because you do not like it when people disagree with you and prove you wrong. What you fail to realize is how inarticulate and uneducated it makes you sound when the best you can come up with is swear words. Either way, you are wrong.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

Anteni you are inept the above proves it!
You have never debunked one tiny thing you just spew Obot BS!
You think a Photoshoped fake COLB on line is all the American people need to accept you Communist foreigner goD!
Orly and the millions behind her are fighting a world wide communist coup to throw America into a New World Order that would destroy America and all true Americans. Being held in contempt just shows you who your enemies are.
Darlin your Obot nonsense is propaganda!
Fools Day was January 20th.
You are young, naive, and probably have no real idea how bad life would be under a communist run society where no one is better than the lowest member of that society. Everyone would end up on the far left of the Bell Curve and we would all starve in less than a year.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Did you click the link? Carter will accept the case and therefore gives the beautiful Russian standing! Get out of denial! Start trying to put the fat rotten Rodham up to the task of running against that Hot Alaskan Barracuda.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

Right you are! NOT
You will defend his lies til the end…lolol


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Interesting 'term' you use. The word research. It amazes me what the birthtards consider to be research. Research for them is combing through the propoganda of the extreme right websites – like the KKK – and making up information when they can't find anything legitimate.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Actually, I make it a point when I am searching our laws or other countries laws or anything that I am trying to prove WITHOUT influence, to put -Obama in my search. That way, I am not swayed by sites trying to talk about the subject and having it pertain to obama.

Like if I am looking up info on Hawaii's procedure on giving Non Americans COLB's my search says “******* ****** ****** -obama”

So, la ti da!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

Sheeeeeet, when she wins this case, her next step will be PRESIDENT!

Oh yeah, after Barney gets his bill passed, to let ANYONE run!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

Sheeeeeet, when she wins this case, her next step will be PRESIDENT!

Oh yeah, after Barney gets his bill passed, to let ANYONE run!


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

Then you need a hearing aid because I listened to the YouTube video you posted more than once. Neither Barack or Michelle said anything other than what I posted. You need to listen again evidently, 'cause you're not hearing right.
.


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

that's OK cornyliar, you've never PROVEN yourself correct yet here…once!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

Birthtards hear only what they want to hear and take the meaning of words any way they can distort them.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Perhaps I should have included that all of your research is pointless. However, if it entertains you, by all means do it. Maybe you should do some research on how government actually works while you're at it. Then you'll finally come to realize that the only way you birthtards will succeed in removing Obama from office is by convincing Congress to impeach him. No judge can intervene. Plain and simple.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Orly has never won a case nor will she ever win a case. She's such a poor attorney that she'll soon be disbarred.


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 12:11 am

If you think Sarah Palin is the least bit qualified to be president you are indeed an idiot. As a former Alaskan, I KNOW the woman. She is a first class idiot. What you saw is all she is good at. She ruined Wasilla and couldn't even run that tiny town- she had to hire a city manager, a position that had never been required before. She left almost 22 million of debt to a tiny town that had been debt free before her “reign”. John McCain showed he cared more about winning then about the United States when he chose her as his running mate. Why do you think all those who are running for election are not taking her up on her offer to campaign for them? I already know your are blind because you call Oily hot, but if hot is all that is important to you for a politician then we have to be glad that women are more than half of this country and the most active voters. Heck, why don't you just get Pamela Anderson to run. She has as much brains as the two you seem to be hot for and I think she is much prettier.


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 12:51 am

She won't win…she won't even get to present any evidence! LOL!!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:06 am

We don't need no stinking foreigners running America! Be they African, Brit, or Indian, does not make a difference! And!, as we keep telling you, to be a Natural Born American Citizen it takes the American BLOOD of BOTH parents at the time of your birth and that birth on American SOIL!
You tried to sneak that in here to protect your Communist goD! It takes both parents. Jindal is a RINO candidate and the RINOs are now extinct, killed by the BHO infection. No vaccine needed, knowledge of the disease destroys the virus.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:13 am

California needs Orly with all the fruits and nuts they have now. She can be a Senator and would make a great one but we know she can never run for President. She will settle for Governor.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Now you are going to tell me that you have never seen Illuminati numerology throughout history. Head still missing stuck up somewhere wet and dark?


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:28 am

Wrong, oldfart. Natural born citizen is any person born on US soil regardless of where their parents are from or even if their parents aren't US Citizens. So, I've got some friends that live just over the border near El Paso that are going to have a baby. I'm going to bring them up here, let them have their baby, and then we're going to groom that baby to one day be president. We are here to push our communist agenda on all of you birthtards. Soon, we will be taking your property from you and you can work for us so that you can live in it. Look at the bright side. We'll give you a couple of cans of swill a day, you work 6 12 hour days with Mondays off, and you won't have to pay any taxes anymore.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:32 am

Well, for once I would agree with you oldfart. Orly is a fruit. She is also a nut. But she'll never be anything more than the nutcase that thought she could have Obama removed as president. She is entertaining when she melts down on her television interviews and will go down in history books as the biggest nut job in the world.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:43 am

Missed something in your comment. By your definition, McCain wouldn't have been eligible to be President. Thank God he lost! He wasn't born on American soil and he wasn't even born on an American military base. That's why his eligibility did come into question and was investigated by Congress.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:45 am

Oh, and us communists don't have goD. We have Dog. You christian right wingers have limited time left here in the United States to push your political agenda.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:47 am

I find it amusing that you birthtards are taken in so easily on fake news. It's also amusing that Rush Limbaugh fell for that THE-SUS that was posted on a satire website and reported it has written by Obama. Of course, it was proven after he ranted about it on his radio show that it never existed. It is so much fun to mess with you birthtards.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:50 am

I'll bet you visit a psychic on a regular basis, don't you oldnutbag?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:43 am

First we need to get the matter out to the american people AND make Congress AWARE that they MUST do this. If many more people know about it, Congress won't have a choice!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:48 am

Sooo uh, since you can tell the future, tell me what I'm having for dinner, tomorrow night…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:01 am

I like Orly BUT! We Don't Need No Stinking Foreigners In Our White House!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:06 am

Get your favorite topping cause you will need it when you have to eat those words.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:13 am

PAs a slut and is HepC positive, can't go there! You ran the rotten Rodham!, the only time she should be allowed to run in this Saturday! Cause that's REAL SCARY!


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:14 am

And we don't need the likes of you either. Keep getting yourself worked up over your ridiculous rants and we won't have to put up with you much longer-you'll stroke out. What is particularly aggravating is that you have a right to your whacked out views because lots of people have died to give you the right, including members of my family. I just wish you were the least bit interested in working together to help America instead of trying to tear her apart even more. We have a chance to show the world we are really combating racism but then you and your oily friend et al have to mess it up. What despicable examples of American’s you are. And don't forget, everyone who isn't an American Indian is a foreigner to this land.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:17 am

This should be a FUN game, let's play.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:28 am

The slight of hand trick Congress tried was not worth a shit just smoke and mirrors. McCain NEVER stood up to the usurper so we know he was in on the fix. They had it so that no matter what happened we would get a illegal President and everything done would be meaningless. What the end result they wanted will soon be evident when Obama is removed. Could be a military takeover! That will be “different”!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Didn't get to read that it was scrubbed by the time I clicked it! Anybody got it on file?


Shisousha
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 9:48 am

Here is a quote from something written by oldmagicman666. “backaphony, the case will go to trial January 26th!”

Where is the “on”. Is it missing or are you just stupid.


Shisousha
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 9:54 am

When you have people who lie. You generally look for more credible sources. As, no other news sites are running this story, I am going to have to accept that it is a lie.

You can sit around the fire place with your birther buddies and trade lies.

Who is this Russian?


Shisousha
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 10:10 am

Now that is funny. Some people honestly idolize a person who foreign relations experience is that they can see Russia. Honestly, she could have used any example where she had to directly or indirectly deal with foreign leaders.

Image going to a job interview as a engineer with Google. The interviewer asks about your experience and you say you once spilled beer on your laptop.

Some people just don’t understand how inept Palin or Taitz really is.

“Staying on … that’s a quitter’s way out” — I just love that quote.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:53 am

It seems that the new clerk hired by judge Carter from Obama's law team has multiple CVs floating around.

http://www.martindale.com/Siddharth-Velamoor/33…
http://pview.findlaw.com/view/4073288_1?channel…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:58 am

An NBC requires both parents to be citizens. Therefore Jindal is not eligible – as simple as that.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

The latest on Oily Tatters for those of you apprehensive about visiting her website.

She’s currently posting ‘auto response’ letters from various news papers thanking her for contacting them. What is she submitting to them? A letter to let the masses know that “We’re going to trial on January 26th”.

And this, another day in the life of Oily Tatters.


Anteni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 9:27 am

It is hard to understand why the GOP is so afraid to lose your vote. Honestly, they should stop pandering to people like you. Your hero Joe Wilson though it would be cool to make a categorically false statement. Anyways, it really doesn't matter. I always wonder why some people vote for people that are obvious pandering to them.

All the best in your self absorbed delusion.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

What is most amusing about this ObamacornLies post is that he or she believes that America is not aware of their ’cause’. That we are ignorant of the false accusations brought by Whorely Taitz against our Commander in Chief. There aren’t any people that are of voting age that aren’t aware of the birthtards. Most chose to ignore. For me, it is just so amusing to see what they’ll come up with next.


Anteni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 9:58 am

The new word in the birther vocabulary is scrubbed. I wonder why someone would be providing a link without taking time to actually read it.


Anteni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 10:17 am

AXJ is just a birther news “clearing house.” Misinformation and half truths. Honestly, Fox News would be a better source.

No one is “trying to distract us from out researching.” We do call you nuts for making stuff up, and following false leads.

For rule of research is to start general and then go more specific. Unfortunately, for you and other birthers you want to start specific and stay specific. When people like buckaroni tells you that you aren't doing research take that it as kind advice. The reason for this is the truth is much more harsher.


Anteni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 10:20 am

Now that is a lie. The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge when you are wrong. Please keep up your disillusion. I am starting to believe that truth will be traumatic for you.


Anteni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 10:29 am

The sad reality is when some people tell their first lie they believe that they have to tell another. “What a tangled web we weave when we first learn to deceive” is a phrase I was once taught. I never realize how tangled it could get watch these birthers.


ObamacornLiesHater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 11:16 am

Lady, please stop posting here. You are a moron. I come here for good fodder. Your shit is just stupid.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

I appreciate the Orly-update—–I don’t have the intestinal fortitude to delve that far into the belly of the beast!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

In Corny’s defense I must say that she give us ongoing snap-shots of the workings of the Birfer hive-mind, as repulsive and unbelievable as those ‘workings’ usually prove to be


Anonymous
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Joe Wilson. Guess his 15 minutes are up. Didn’t help much that the spotlight quickly revealed him to be a lying, racist sack of s**t


Anonymous
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

I’ve made brief visits to a handful of these Birfer websites.Needless to say these sites are epicenters for the most bizarre, hateful bile you have ever seen : Corny’s notion of “research” is to visit said site, then simply regurgitate the crap she has read there. Birfers tell themselves that they “research” in this fashion. It’s a self-perpetuating rumor-mill.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Wouldn’t that be awesome if the GOP ran Jindal in 2012?
What happens to the Birfer brain when it is presented with that premise?
LOL
Too bad they let the little nerd respond to Obama’s State of the Union and he came off as the pencil-necked dweeb we already knew him to be…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

All just a part of the Obama conspiracy——check.
Scwartznegger.Jindal.Obama.McCain. All foreigners, all ineligible.
The pattern here, oldracistman, is that as the demographic profile of USA changes before your eyes you decide that you no longer recognize your own country.
This is really just a reflection of your inherent narcissism, however, in that what you perceive as a new, special phenomena that is happening to YOU has actually happened over & over throughout our nation’s history.. The troglodytes who obsess about a conceptual American “purity” always end up in the backwater of our great nation. “No Irish need apply”. Your paranoia may be revolting, but it is nothing new.


Jim
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

What is more amazing is that Orly thinks she can bushwhack a Judge and then expect her case to get scheduled. Of course, she doesn’t believe she should be held to the same standards as other lawyers.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

You're right. We're putting in operatives every where to prevent you birthtards from achieving your goals.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

It's unfortunate for you, then, that the majority of America is like me. Have fun trying to convince us.


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

She would fit right in with the nuts and fruits they have now, but as for Governor, she'd lock everyone up that disagreed with her bats**t crazy ideas…no thanks. I doubt anyone would seriously take her running for office as anything more than a joke.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:34 pm

A thought is like a virus. Something is said or written and it moves into the heads of those that are not immune, like the birthtards. And it gets worse because new information is imagined and added to it as it spreads, making those that it affects much worse.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

You were proven wrong a very long time ago, way before your movement really even had any steam. Had you not been proven wrong, Obama would not be our sitting president.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:38 pm

Here's where the debate is so simple. All I need to do is respond with one word…. WRONG.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Wow, trials without proper evidence, presumed guilt before proven innocence, abusing the courts every time you don’t get your way…shopping for judges until you find one to buy into your hairbrained batshit crazy claims…

That’s just what America needs alright! LMAO!!!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

By taking my remarks about communism seriously, it shows just how delusional your objectives are.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

LOL. You're certainly right about that. If Orly had control of this nation, could you imagine what it would be like. Exactly the way Orly perceives it to be today.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

She has freckles on her BUTT …. she is nice…


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

I find it amusing that none of you, including Orly has any knowledge of the law. Orly thinks (and that's a lose word to use with her) that she'll remove Obama and then a special election would be held to elect another president. What a total buffoon she is. Biden would be president and next in line after Biden is Pelosi.


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

I won't go there again. My anti-viral software almost screams the warnings if I try to navigate to that site. I appreciate the updates.

I know the judge denied the motion to dismiss by the defense, but I haven't heard that he has ruled on standing as of yet? Reading throught the transcripts of the court procedings, standing seemed to be utmost on his mind. I know Oily Taters kept brushing by that part. Even Kreep wasn't addressing the judge's questions about standing.


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

I don't feel like taking the time to disinfect myself either…LOL!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

It's good to understand the opponent…but the Birthtards are in fact their own opponents…that will be most evident when Queen Orly get's slapped down…and slapped down will be an understatement…

I just like the entertainment! ;)


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

Good analogy…no wonder the birthtards are batshit crazy…they are not immune to foolishness…


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

She has to keep her base thinking she's winning so they will pay her $20k fine…plus the next one that's sure to come…


bearclaw
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Your point is?

(1) The law clerk was, in all likelihood, selected over a year ago. Most judges select their law clerks at least a year before their starting date. I was a law clerk for at the California Supreme Court, and was selected at least 14 months before I started work.

(2) The law clerk worked for Perkins Coie as a products liability lawyer in the Seattle office. Perkins Coie has 700 lawyers in offices around the world. The lead lawyer at Perkins Coie for “the Obama legal team” works in the Washington, D.C. office. What is your evidence that the law clerk was part of “Obama's legal team”?

(3) If the law clerk has to disclose to the Court every client he worked for, and cannot work on any matters coming before the Court involving those clients. He can't discuss those matters with the judge.

(4) It is laughable that a law clerk is going to have some nefarious influence over someone like Judge Carter, who has years of legal experience and over 10 years on the federal bench.

(5) The entries in Martindale Hubbell are submitted by the law firms, which carefully review them for accuracy. It appears the law clerk graduated from Columbia Law School.

(6) The Thomson Reuters listing is part of the West Legal service. The information is “harvested” by West/Thomson Reuters and is not submitted directly from the law firms. Did you check the disclaimer? You should have:

“West Group uses reasonable care in publishing West Legal Directory and its service FindLaw.com. However, West Group does not guarantee their accuracy or completeness. If you find an error, please notify West Group.”

Someone keyed the law school information incorrectly. There is no chance that someone with Mr. Velamoor's background went to a law school in Slovakia, or that he would be hired by Perkins Coie in Seattle if he had.

Afraid you are going to lose in front of Judge Carter? Already busy preparing your excuse?

It can't ever be that your team sucks, can it? It always has to be that the umpire is crooked.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Somebody at McAfee was changing setttings on their software – WND reported that their web site was blocked for many users. They contacted McAfee and company promised to investigate.


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

Actually, Judge Carter still has not ruled on the motion to dismiss.

Oily Tits won't hear anything about standing…she's been deluded into thinking that she has standing by those of the so called (phony) grand juries. Anything short of her winning will be shown (by her and her flying monkeys) to be a conspiracy…


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

For anyone thinking that Judge Carter won't dismiss…he's going to be “SOOO” tired of seeing these two individuals…Oily and her disbarred assistant have another case before Judge Carter…

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17464894/First-Amende…

Lincoln filed this before moved to Orly's attic. The nonsense inside is almost as good as the crap Orly has been filing all along…

Yep…I think the coming smack down will be epic!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

It's hard to understand why people keep losers in office that don't give two shits about YOU, it's all about their pocketbook.

PELOSI
REID
FRANK
DODD
SCHUMER

They are all just, complete idiots.
Oh, but you are THEIR constituents, OHHH, NOW I GET IT…lolol


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

In addition to being in Judge Carters Courtroom, Lincoln has a case (same damn scam) in Florida where Orly tried to get in on the action…

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21575318/DOC-13-River…

Motion denied because they didn't follow the rules (imagine that) but also…

Taitz…”The undersigned attorney submits that she is unfamiliar with many aspects of this case at the time of filing of this Motion…”

What? Taitz doesn't know what she's doing? Puhleeeeezeeeeee!!! LMAO!

Here's the motion denial…they have till Oct 30th to answer since the motion for continuance was also denied…let's see if they can do that right this time after missing so many other deadlines in other cases…

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21665899/LINCOLN-v-US…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

What happened to the preception of impartiality?

How can anyone guarantee that Siddharth will have no access to documents related to the Obama eligibility case?

He will go back to work for Perkins Coie after his stint as clerk for Judge Carter. If he proves himself useful – a big promotion is in the works.

I am not afraid that Judge Carter might dismiss the case because of standing. The truth about Obama's eligibility will come out soon or a later. If it turns out that he was not eligible all judges who refused to get involved will look silly.

My team may suck, but it is your's team that is affraid to meet us on the field. It is much easier to use proxies to be decalred the winner by default.

How do you explain the double standards used by courts in various elections:
Obama had standing in court (in 1996) to disqualify all opponents from the ballot. He challenged their eligibility requirement (having a sufficient number of voter signatures).
One of the opponents was a popular incumbent Alice Parker who won that seat in previous elections with more than 80% of the vote. Obama had minimum chances to defeat her without using courts to clear the field. He run unopposed in Dem primaries and went on to win the Illinois State Senate seat.

Fast froward to 2008. Obama's opponents on the presidential ballot do not have standing to challenge his eligibility to be placed on the ballot? Courts drag their feet in making the decision?

Are you only interested to see your side win regardles of what the truth is?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

IF he was LYING, then why did the DemocRATS defeat 2 amendments, that would have MADE SURE, they were not covered? It's because they want them COVERED, by OUR tax dollars.

Fuck that! Let them go to their own country and try to protest for FREE healthcare. They can't get their OWN country to provide them healthcare, yet they think they can come to our country, ILLEGALLY and get FREE healthcare. UH UH, FUCK THAT!

They are the ones that are draining this country's resources, as it is. GO THE FUCK HOME and come through the front door, DAMMIT!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Tell me where I was proven wrong and didn't admit to it. What was the subject?????


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

But if I left, YOUR NAME, wouldn't make any SENSE!
lolol


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

You Lie!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

You Lie!


Youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

You guys keep mentioning the Chicago thing. It comes down to the fact that if he wasn't right, he wouldn't have won in court. Chicago used to be known for it's “machine” long before Obama came along. Perhaps she had won because she used tactics like invalid signatures? If Obama was able to challenge her practices, it follows that she was wrong if he won. It is important to verify signatures if you are counting on them in a legal sense. He believes in staying within the law and being ethical. By taking someone of his own party to court because they were using unethical means to back their candidacy speaks to his ethics, not against it.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

“Queen of the Birthers': Attorney gains notoriety for strange challenges of Obama's citizenship”

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

He will dismiss! He will dismiss the Mothion to Dismiss!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Doesn't matter anyways if he does. We will NOT stop, until it is taken to court and proven or until Congress gets off their ass and does their job to prove he IS eligible!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Where does she find the time!
WAY TO GO, ORLY on getting the word out!


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

LMAO!…are you smoking crack today?


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

It's been in court. What part of “you have no standing” do you Birfers not get?

That's as close to being in court as this will ever get. And Congress doesn't have to prove he is eligible Tracy, they have to prove he's ineligible which they won't because there is no evidence to suggest he is not eligible. (Orly's fantasy's aside, there is no proof)


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Yes! Get the 'word' out so more people can laugh and enjoy themselves' as to the idiocy of her claims.


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

The words out that she is batshit crazy…that's all the notoriety that she's gaining…and not anything that she is doing is worthy to be proud of unless of course your idea of being proud of someone who uses lies is something to be proud of…

Birffers…never understand 'em…


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

Keep it up. It amuses all of us. 85% of Americans think you're all nut cases.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

Hmmmmm, interesting…read the comments at the bottom…
http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/steveb77…


Antibirther
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

OCD is a mental disorder.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Based on the reaction of other judges this case has been brought before, I doubt your wishes will come true. Judge Carter will not be able to find standing and more than likely he has already written his opinion on this. As soon as Whorely pays her fine, he'll come out with his decision to dismiss based on the government's arguments.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Just keep repeating that.

LOL


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

You don't get it do you? It is the question of “standing”, not the merits of the case.

Courts allowed Obama to challenge eligibility of other candidates in 1996, yet in 2008 Obama's opponents have been denied the same right to challenge his inclusion on the ballot.

Both cases involve the eligibility to be placed on the balot.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

It’s only been “filed” but never “accepted.” If it hasn’t been accepted, it’s not certified or official according to the State of Hawaii

LOl, what color is the sky in your world?


Antibirther
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

I have to object. Comparing Orly Taitz to batshit is unfair to bats.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Antibirther has the correct answer. Orly is obsessive compulsive. She wastes her days away working toward something that will never provide results because she's a stupid person. I'm sure glad I'm not sending money to her for her 'cause'. Anyone that does has to have been kicked in their heads by a butterfly when they were kids because she only uses those funds to go out to lavish lunches. Maybe if she were to actually pay a qualified staff, she might get somewhere. Like come to the realization this is all fruitless.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

“We will NOT stop, “

Thank you. I look forward to many hours of entertainment watching you fools beat your heads against the walls.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

She did have an application installed that was designed to install a small application on a vistor's computer so she could track them. That could have been through a cookie but I clear my cookies at the end of every day. Anyway, that app she used set off my antivirus software and kept Google from indexing her site. Because of the Google issue, she dumped the application. She's a moron. Or as the sign of one birther read… 'moran'.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

So much BS. Blame it on McAfee. It was doing it with all antivirus software an my antivirus detected a trojan when ever I'd visit her site. Looked up the definition and she was trying to install software to get the identity of any person that visited her website. That's called paranoia.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

If there was nothing to hide why is it that DoH document describing procedures to file a birth certificate is not available to public?
Then we would not need to speculate – we could simply read it.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

You are all delusional and paranoid. Maybe you should all move to your own country with Whorley.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Check the article on WND. They described what happened yesterday.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

Problem with you birthtards is that Obama was already challenged and it was determined he was eligible. You just don't want to accept it.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

nahh, on demerol today, a little slow…


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

More like you're their consituent. I don't live in any of their states. I'm willing to bet you're a fruitcase from Orange County California.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

More like you're their consituent. I don't live in any of their states. I'm willing to bet you're a fruitcase from Orange County California.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

They never PROVED he WAS eligible, so they need to go BACK and DO THEIR JOB, stupid idiots!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

You LIE!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Is that the same 85% that are happy with their present healthcare?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

I'm sorry, but OBAMA is the LIAR. It has been proven time and time again!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

and you know that from…
EXPERIENCE?
LOLOL


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Tie Dye


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Unfortunately for you birthtards, Obama's eligibility was challenged before he ran and he was cleared to run. Case closed. Whorely Tatters is dun.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

No, if he dismissed, then there wouldn't be a case. He would deny the motion to dismiss. Get your facts straight. Oh, I forgot. You birthtards don't base anything on facts.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Lie, lies and more lies. That's the only way you guys try to fight us is with lies, because you have no arguement against our truths!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

read it and weap


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

PROVE IT! You are 100% WRONG!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

I can tell you're on demerol. I believe we know that from reading about it. And Whorely's posting of the auto responses is just hilarious. She's acting like they're actual responses from the news services she's posting them to. Like they're going to post any of her nonsense.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

I can tell you're on demerol. I believe we know that from reading about it. And Whorely's posting of the auto responses is just hilarious. She's acting like they're actual responses from the news services she's posting them to. Like they're going to post any of her nonsense.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Facts vs lies. I believe their amending the dictionary. New definition of Fact: pertaining to anything an antibirthtard writes. Definition of Lie: pertaining to anything a birthtard writes.