Mexican AMC 6 Cyl. Engine Info - Tom Anhalt


 

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Mexican AMC 6 Cyl. Engine Info

Contributed By: Thomas Anhalt

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:28:00 -0800
From: Thomas Anhalt tanhalt@earthlink.net
Subject: Mexican 4.6L engines (kinda long but good)

Well guys,
           I took a little time to search the AMC list files for info about the 282 (not 283 like we all thought) engines that were produced in Mexico. According to what I found, these guys think that the 282 is the same as a 258 except for the bore being increased to 3.92 in. This also reminded me that there is an article on the Cherokee America site (you can get there through John's ORC site) about putting a 4.2 crank into a 4.0 block (bored .060 over) which results in a 4.7 L displacement! (or 289 ci). Isn't a 4.0s bore 3.92 also...hmmmm. Anyway, the remainder of this post is what I found (in no particular order).

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Date: Tue, 14 May 96 16:18 EDT
From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us
To: amc-list@scan.si.edu
Subject: Re: VAM (AMC of Mexico)

From: "SATCC01.KOOS01" (SATCC01.KOOS01@SSW.ALCOA.COM)

            -- Our club president once got to look at a Mexican Javelin. It had an inline 6 with a larger displacement than 258...somewhere around 270. The engine was familiar looking but upon closer scrutiny had somewhat different castings. The car had Rambler identification.

i've previously heard of 252 and 282 sixes; these would correspond to the 232 and 258 with the bore opened up to ~3.92". the head was reputed to have bigger ports than the amc vdersion, and slightly moved valve locations to better accomodate 360/390 valves.

           -- Although the '82 book shows inline-6s being built (red in color!) it is not known whether VAM made V-8s.

i have a bellhousing that connects an amc t-10 to a '64-'71 6; i've heard it popularly referred to as a 'mexican' bellhousing. someone else on this list has a mexican 6 manifold that mounts a holley 2-bbl. these make me think that vam put their effort into the 6 and didn't bother with a v8...

If anybody has any more information to add to this, please let me know...I've been trying to get some of my friends with family in Mexico to find some sales brochures or ANYTHING, but no luck so far.

keep at it! i for one wait eagerly for anything you turn up.

Andrew Hay
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Date: 15 Oct 1996 15:05:15 EDT
From: "SATCC01.KOOS01" (SATCC01.KOOS01@SSW.ALCOA.COM)
To: amc-list@scan.si.edu
Subject: Re[2]: '69 Motors and VAM

--I have a question. In Mexico, the AMC cars sold had an option to a 282 cu.in. six engine, which had the same appeareance than the 232/258. Was the 282 a rebored 258? Was the 282 made or sold in the U.S.?

I'm the one that originally submitted the information about VAM with the ultimate goal of researching and publishing a comprehensive article on the Mexico operations in our local newsletter and AMO. But, I've been scooped!!!

Larry Mitchell of AMC World Clubs has located a gentleman by the name of Salvadore Diaz who used to work for VAM in Mexico City. Mr. Diaz is writing a history of the VAM operations that is currently being published in the AMX-tra, the national newsletter of AMC World Clubs. So far, only the very early history (VAM actually grew out of Willys, not Nash!) has been published but much more is to come. This will undoubtedly be the ultimate source of information about the 282 and other aberrations once it is fully published.

Alfred Koos
Alamo AMC
San Antonio, TX
SATCC01.KOOS01@SSW.ALCOA.COM

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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:28:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Frank Swygert (DSRTFOX@delphi.com)
To: amc-list@scan.si.edu
Subject: Re: '69 Motors

On 14-OCT-1996 13:07:13.5 amc-list said to DSRTFOX
--I have a question. In Mexico, the AMC cars sold had an option to a 282
--cu.in. six engine, which had the same appeareance than the 232/258. Was
--the 282 a rebored 258? Was the 282 made or sold in the U.S.?
--Miguel Ortiz, Mexico City. moo@hp.fciencias.unam.mx

Is there any info you can get on AMC in Mexico? When were the last models built? As far as I know, only Hornet and Concord four door and two door sedans were made. I heard rumors of an AMX, but would think that would have been on the Concord body.

The 282 was never offered in the US. Were V-8s offered in Mexico? Now, you say the outward appearance was the same as the 258. I would think that the bore and stroke would have been altered to create that much difference, though it has been standarad practice for AMC to only change the stroke of the engines in the 199/232/258/242 family (the 4.0L used in newer Jeeps uses basically the same block, and is 242 inches).

Francis (Frank) G. Swygert
Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine
Rainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive

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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 20:44 EDT
From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us
To: amc-list@scan.si.edu
Subject: Re: '69 Motors

From: Juarez Jaimes Blanca Veronica-IB <bvjj@servidor.unam.mx> or Miguel Ortiz, Mexico City. moo@hp.fciencias.unam.mx

-- I have a question. In Mexico, the AMC cars sold had an option to a 282
-- cu.in. six engine, which had the same appeareance than the 232/258. Was
-- the 282 a rebored 258? Was the 282 made or sold in the U.S.?

afaik, the 282 was a 258 bored out to about 3.92". there was an earlier 252, which was an identically bored-out 232. they both were mexico-only engines.

were any v8s available in mexico? i always assumed the 282 was in lieu of v8 power.

and what transmission options were there? i've heard much of 'mexican' bellhousings, used to attach the t-10 4-sp to '64-'71 [up here] sixes. i know they're real because i have one, but it came from wisconsin. were sixes with 4-speeds actually available in mexico?

did mexican sixes change bellhousing pattern in '72 as did u.s. sixes? did they also switch from shaft rockers to ball-stud rockers as we did?

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Andrew Hay | the genius nature
internet rambler | is to see what all have seen
adh@an.bradford.ma.us | and think what none thought

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Date: 16 Oct 1996 13:29:13 EDT
From: "SATCC01.KOOS01" SATCC01.KOOS01@SSW.ALCOA.COM
To: amc-list@scan.si.edu
Subject: Re[2]: '69 Motors

--AMC in Mexico: When were the last models built? As far as I know, only
--Hornet and Concord four door and two door sedans were made. I heard rumors
--of an AMX, but would think that would have been on the Concord body.

--The 282 was never offered in the US. Were V-8s offered in Mexico?

VAM ceased production in 1986. They were building Renaults by then. The equivalent of Javelins, Matador Coupes, Concords (all body styles), Gremlins, Spirits (all body styles), and a weird Spirit/Conc- ord hybrid called the 'Lerma' were definitely built in Mexico, possibly others.

There were no V-8s. The 252-6 was red like our early 232, the 282 was blue like our later sixes.

Alfred Koos
Alamo AMC
San Antonio, TX
SATCC01.KOOS01@SSW.ALCOA.COM

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 21:05 EST
From: adh@an.bradford.ma.us
To: amc-list@scan.si.edu
Subject: Re: six cylinder engine

From: Frank Swygert (DSRTFOX@delphi.com)

There is also a company called Clifford Research that makes headers and 4bbl intakes for these engines. I'm assuming here that the 282 is identical (except bore) to the 258.. ports are the same size externally.

my humble opinion -- the offenhaeuser 4bbl manifold is the best. all the runners are divided horizontally, with the bottom half fed from the carb primaries and the top half fed from the secondaries. this makes for higher mixture velocity and better running at light throttle [eg. only primaries open]. also, it -will- work with the stock exhaust manifold, which probably counts for little in mexico but means a lot to us in the frozen north... ;^>

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Andrew Hay | the genius nature
internet rambler | is to see what all have seen
adh@an.bradford.ma.us | and think what none thought

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:15:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Frank Swygert (DSRTFOX@delphi.com)
To: amc-list@scan.si.edu
Subject: Re: six cylinder engine

On 7-NOV-1996 09:48:39.1 amc-list said to DSRTFOX
--When talking about performance, everybody talks about V8 engines.
--However, does somebody know some means to increase the performance of
--the 232/252/258/282 six cylinder engines? Could it be possible
--tubocharge this kind of engine?
--Miguel Ortiz
--Mexico

Turbo charging is easy enough, but I doubt a kit is made. You'll have to have some exhaust pipe custom bent. Any turbo shop (look for diesel truck dealers) would be able to recommend a size and give tips on installation. A Paxton centrifugal blower would be nice also.. there ARE kits for Jeeps, but I don't know a dealer right off.

There is also a company called Clifford Research that makes headers and 4bbl intakes for these engines. I'm assuming here that the 282 is identical (except bore) to the 258.. ports are the same size externally.

Best thing is to get a 244 (4.oL) head for the 258, complete with FI and computer! Chrysler also makes a retrofit kit for Jeeps, but I'd think you could get a junkyard motor and all for the same price. The 244 puts out 190HP with direct FI. That would be VERY NICE in your everyday Concord or Pacer... as good as a mild 304 at any rate.

Francis (Frank) G. Swygert
Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine

Rainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive

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