And so it ended.
Well, a few things have happened.
1. Google deleted the thread asking them to contact me for more information. Admittedly, it had turned into a shitstorm of abuse. They have not contacted me, despite the fact that several Google employees have been active in that forum over the period that it was posted.
So, I take this to be a sign that we should accept that our block is not going to be overturned, nor are they willing to communicate why.
So be it, that’s their right. They’re a company, and can do whatever they feel is best for them. I find it to be a slightly impolite way to treat someone, but whatever.
2. You may have noticed that one of our front page posts from FAKKU disappeared. Someone reported the post to one of their advertising companies, and the advertising company requested it pulled or they would cease business with FAKKU.
Again, this is their right. In fact, I applaud the advertising company for being open about what they wanted from FAKKU. They don’t wish to be associated with loli, as said as much.
FAKKU did what was right for them, and complied. I strongly support this decision by Jacob, I have no wish to see the FAKKU community harmed because of our little translating site. We can work around this. FAKKU cannot work around a lack of advertisers.
Click through for more, this is getting too big for just the front page.
So that’s the situation.
As for where we go from here, I think fighting this in a traditional sense is going to be futile. I don’t even know who or what we’re up against. WordPress seems to have declared support for us in that they haven’t deleted us yet. They’ve surely received a load of complaints over the last few days, but we’re still here. For that I thank them, and urge you to support them if you can.
We have no intention of stopping what we do. Google is not that important. FAKKU is a loss, but not the end of the world. And there’s hope that we can figure something out there anyway, Jacob is a strong supporter and will do what he can.
The only real danger to us now is that someone in authority comes across this and feels that we’re a big enough danger that we should be quashed. I’m relatively safe personally as a Japanese resident, but some of my colleagues are not so fortunate. I know the urge to protest and voice your anger at these actions is strong, but ultimately it could lead to trouble for us.
What you can do to help is undo the damage that the loss of Google and FAKKU has done. It’s harder for new people to find us now. Repost our stuff to any friendly board, forum, filedump, or whatever that you can find. Post links. Tell your friends. Spread the word, because people are much less likely to find us in the traditional ways any more. We do this as a hobby, and our reward is the thanks of thousands of people who enjoy our work. It’s a great feeling to know that something you did is appreciated, and the more people the better. 
Finally, thanks to all those who offered their support over the last couple of days. Especially, I’d like to thank those that don’t particularly like our work but wished to support our right to do it. You are a shining example of how a citizen should behave, and I am deeply grateful.
If I may close by quoting Charlton Heston on the subject of Civil Disobedience:
But what can you do? How can anyone prevail against such pervasive social subjugation?
The answer’s been here all along.
I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C., standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people.
You simply…disobey.
Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely.
But when told how to think or what to say or how to behave, we don’t. We disobey social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom.
I learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr. King…who learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other great man who led those in the right against those with the might.
Disobedience is in our DNA.
-Charlton Heston at Harvard Law School Forum
February 16, 1999
Same thing that happened to e-hentai.org
In regards to that, you may wish to replace the “-” with an “x” for the content that was there before, except you can only gain experience on the main site.
it’s not working. I noticed that alot of the material I look at dissapeared as well! How do I regain access to those things?
Truly a disgrace, but as you say, it’s more important not making too big a fuss of this. There’s always a way out. As for myself, I’ve been following with joy your work and will do what is in my hand to help – reposting stuff via twitter.
Don’t let a little peeble in your path get in your way! Cheers
I don’t accept it was right to censor the truth by either website. They are cowards, willing to sacrifice what is most important to stay out of trouble.
If people keep folding, the moralfags will win. They know how to abuse the system in their favor. They’ll keep contacting advertisers and webhosts with lies, false claims, and ultimatums.
The next step is they’ll report your blog to WordPress. The next step is they will success is pushing a harmless form of entertainment into a crime or seedy hobby, just because they have to push their views on others.
No one is taking away a person’s right to not view material they don’t wish to. They are taking away others’ rights to be able to choose what they want to view.
Well, I can’t really make any promises, but you could try to get a hold of the admin of
http://www.sankakucomplex.com (that’s how i found out about this site in the first place, so fuck a bunch of google, if you ask me). Maybe you could strike up a deal to link to your sit from there or something (it gets a ton of traffic). just a thought.
Did you try asking for reconsideration from the appropriate channels?
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35843
I don’t think they will reconsider anymore, but it is worth a shot if you haven’t tried already – what have you got to lose?
Its very sad to hear this. I do believe my country(Singapore) takes CP even more strictly than the US. So i believed that you guys will be ok, since you’re out of reach of such jurisdiction. Then again, i also feel that google had a point in doing what they did. On paper, it says that these isnt CP. But perhaps they felt personally that it was. Subjective views are also in our DNA. What we felt was ok they felt it as something that was unsuitable for appearing in their site,which will indirectly represent them as a whole. Whatever the reason,i will spread this site where i can. Not because i’m particularly interested in these kind of doujins(who am i kidding,huh? ^-^’)but because i feel there are other people with different views on things, and that they can come here and freely express their difference in opinion.
I’m glad to hear you are not giving up. You have my support!
What kind of douche would do this kind of thing ruining people’s entertainment. Well at least you still have other search sites like bing which may soon take google’s spot in the near future, or they will fail like yahoo.
Yahoo only failed in the west, its the predominant search engine in Japan and elsewhere.
Google is catching up surprisingly fast in Japan, especially amongst the younger generation.
It is silly to expect Bing (or anyone else) would act differently from Google in this situation.
The only reason LWB is still in the Bing search results is because the people who sent the complaint to Google didn’t do so for Bing as well.
Then you just move on to the next best thing. They can do whatever they want as a company, Bing or Google or any other but that doesn’t mean we’re just gonna accept it like sheep.
I’d never heard of this site before until I read an article about google blocking it (ain’t no such thing as bad publicity) and I’m glad to see you aren’t folding like most people would nowdays.
Your doujin’s are a little too violent for me personally, but I’ll be damned if I ever let anyone stop you doing this.
Fight the good fight guys.
The irony of that is quite pleasing. It put a smile on my face to know that the fact that they blocked this site got it more viewers.
I’d hate for us to make a huge fuss, then get those people who let this type of stuff go angry, then they retaliate by trying to fabricate reasons for this site to be shut down, or anything else.
Maybe its better for us just to spread the word and get people to the site ourselves rather than relying on Google or other places.
I think we can come back from this. Its never the end.
The morality mob needs someone to pick on. They can’t bash homosexuals anymore (at least not in public), and the “play quake -> school massacre” theory was kind of short-lived. The next big thing seems to be imaginary rapists and pedophiles. I think that with the internet getting more and more accessible to the often impulsive and narrow-minded public, things like this will get more common. I just hope people will be able to distinguish opinion from reason. Not sure Google did in this case.
I would rather gouge my eyes out than look at some of the stuff posted here, but this taste/opinion-based censorship is bullshit. Hope things work out for the better for you <3
Ever considered moving to http://freenetproject.org/ , it’s the way of the future I think…
well i understand that loli it isn’t exactly cp but in my view it isn’t far from real cp the only diffrene is that manga is just on paper. So this is what i belive google thinks or close to that idea anyway and i kind of do agree.
Anyway this is not why i post… i found this site in a link of friendly sites on Anonymous Scanner blog. So why not spread the word throuh the comunity in putting links of sites with hentai.
I am amazed you can find this to be close to CP and yet not find 90% of movies to be criminal because they depict fake violence and sometimes murder. Never ever equate anything fictional with anything real because you end up banning everything.
Seeing the easy acces of minors to all this and look at the society today. You kill 20 peaople almost none cares, you abuse a child almost everyone will care. This is the new witch hunt even thow they are right in same way.
@Anonymous
Fictional crime, is not real crime. Thoughts are not actions. Fantasy is not reality. Lines are not children.
If you ban fictional crime depictions involving rape or child abuse, then you must ban all fictional crime including violence. Pretty much every piece of entertainment ever release falls under these situations. Is that what you want?
Everyone always says depictions of rape and child abuse lead to the real thing, but they never say depictions of violence and murder lead to the real thing. The cold hard facts backed up by studies is there is zero evidence that people do something just because they see it.
If you can’t tell fantasy from reality, then you are the problem, not the media.
well i’m anonymous
you’re right but you see there are sometimes problems that appear when kids find on internet ou use adult content. a very well given exemple kids going to school with firearms and start shooting. of course there were a lots of factors involed(violent games or movies or tv/ easy acces to firearms, violent society, etc) but that started lots of arguments in USA. It is the same thing with CP the only thing is that you can be a rapist or a mass murderer and when you go to jail you won’t have that much problems as if you would abuse a singe child. This is ous society today and that is why google does that…
Even if i understand and a i agree at 50% with the i admit they exagerated. But look at google china they lifted the ban word even if the site will be ban in China all due to public opinion.
No. Simply put, those children have usually not seen ANYTHING violent before in their lives or adult stuff before they do stuff like that.
That was proven by the Columbine case, those kids had NEVER played a violent video game, NEVER watched a over pg-13 rated movie, etc.!
IT WAS A LIE!
You are still mistaken. It is true that sometimes violence is in the spotlight, but rarely, compared to think of the children western puritan culture bullshit. When people see child and porn in the same sentence, their brain shuts down and all logic escapes.
It isn’t because media makes a person do something, it’s because they are already interested in it. They are already mentally ill before they see their desires in fiction. Even if you stopped all forms of that media getting to them, they are just as likely to commit the crime.
If violent media created violent criminals, we’d all be murdering people.
Fictional media including child abuse or rape won’t cause people to go out and rape people either, but people continue to go against the logic because they are brainwashed and braindead.
There is where parents comes in.
Hey don’t blame the internet.
Blame yourself for not caring your child enough.
Even if this site gets deleted i hope you make a new one somehow because i like your works
Also,fuck google,using yahoo instead.
Maybe we could make a hentai/pr0n based search engine. But honestly, there is no publicity like bad publicity and one of the best ways to be introduced to a site is by word of mouth.
Honestly, this is like condemning someone who translates a story about a murderer for being an accessory to murder. So long as no person is harmed in the making of this pornography, there is no logical reason for why you should be punished for translating it.
If anything, their attention should be turned toward catching actual criminals.
this feels like something that china would do…
and yet google doesn’t block anontalk, which is an actual CP site. oh the hypocracy.
Report it over the same means this site got reported? Anontalk is annoying as crap anyway.
Well, most people reading scanlation should know about mangaupdates and can find LWB through there as long as someone keeps updating.
Sadly they got the boot from google too just for having a loli genre.
I’ve been getting my daily dose of violent doujins from this site and I sure as hell am pissed when Google blocked it…
Well, it is what it is…
Their actions were clearly ignorant and more on their views and opinions rather than logic…
Keep doing what you do, friend…
If it means fighting a threat to freedom of creativity and speech, I’ll stick to Hentai and all it’s genres to the very end of time…
Hum… I’ll support you guys by downloading your works, ok…? Just for the sake of freedom of speech…
>_>’
Capitalism and Choice.
i Use Bing and now guess who’s #1
also guess which search engine will not be used anymore
well, this google ban brought attention to your site by people like me who didn’t even know about it, so fuck google. i’ll try to visit and use some faildepositfile links when i can. also, you should add a yahoo.com searchbar or something for lulz.
this is a matter of social freedom we chuse to read to see and do to are own acord even do i dont like loli still soport the freedon to do what you do.
I’ll continue to post links on gurochan whenever you post somthing guro or hard rape related.
P.S. The title of your post “And so it has ended”
Scared the shit out of me! I thought you where shuting the site down!
Yeah, he had me there too.
Haha, same here. I was sure I was about to read the last LWB post ever.
This newcrackdown has mad amess of many sites, lu’scio.us, myincesthentaiu, g.e-hentai & now this?
I’ve hated Google since they bought YouTube & FUBAR’d it!
Well, that’s too bad, but I saw that coming. Just have to keep on making our own private sites to share this stuff, and telling people where they are.
As the homosexuals said 36 years ago: we are not going to hide in the shadows anymore, we are going to speak out, and if they put laws against us, we will disobey those laws and, if necessary, fight against these people with guns and knives.
So for the troll who did this, and is no doubt reading this:
What is the point of living a life of bitterness and hatred?
Whether you are religious or not, it is self evident in life that hate and harm of thy neighbor will only bring you emptiness in life. Why don’t you use your time more productively, because even as the “evil monster” I am for viewing the content on this site, it may surprise you to know that I am an active member of social services, and help very many people with my positive influence in life.
God teaches us to not judge our fellow man. I do not judge, and I do not harm other members of society. The true person I pray for is you.
dang loli haters!
Down with google!
Up with Bing!
You have my support.
I found this site because, of another site that write an article about this site.
google you betrayed me
I can understand why they would ban this website because of the loli content but that doesn’t mean i like it.
and i’m not gonna get started with this fantasy vs reality crap cause its a waste of time (they’re obviously different)
I hope you guys find so other way to advertise your site, hopefully one that gives you even more than google.
You have my and many other people’s full support for you website.
May wordpress forever be on your side.
I respect LWB for what you guys do. I support you 100% even if I don’t read most of what you translate.
LWB BANZAI!!!!
Keep going till you can, I don’t really understand the problem with google, because like you said they’re only drawings… It’s wierd…
And can’t you upload non-loli content to fakku? If so, why? …
I hope you continue as long as you want, if it’s 20 years more, then 20, if its 1 month, then 1 month. You’re doing an awesome job, and dont let no one get you down!
I have never visited this website before but I have seen some of your releases on e-hentai. I don’t think being removed from Google will make any difference to the distribution of your releases as I would imagine that most see them on sites other than this one. Besides, the site is still easy to find on Google since the third match is Baka Updates which has a link to this website (that’s how I got here).
From a practical sense I don’t see this changing anything. The more worrying thing here is the general trend of moralist lunatics fighting for the rights of fictional people. These people seem to pop up with any trend, be it rock music, violent films, rap music, violent games and now hentai. They have been largely unsuccessful in the past and will likely fail once again. They do seem to have achieved a few minor victories such as this and the censoring of e-hentai for users who don’t have the Ads-Be-Gone perk, but I think it’s going to be near impossible for them to censor the entire internet.
Content such as the Prison Girl manga is probably already illegal under US Obscenity laws and UK Extreme Pornography laws, but despite that most people on the internet don’t care and are continuing to download it anyway. When so many people are downloading content similar to this trying to ban it is going to be as hard as when the US tried to ban alcohol – it’s just not going to happen.
Anyway, keep up the good work. In the mean time I’ll do my bit by abandoning Google and switching to Bing (I don’t like Microsoft but I now like Google even less).
hi,
i don’t really like loli hentai but i don’t think it’s harmfull, so i support your “fight” against those motherfucking puritain that we hate here in france ( btw it s for them that mostly french don’t like americans :p )
but like some philosopher from my country said:
“je ne serais peut être pas d’accord avec ce que vous direz, mais je me battrais jusqu’a la mort pour que vous aillez la liberté de le dire”
“i may be not agreeing what you’ll said but i’ll fight to the death for you have the right to say it…”
don’t stop the fight !
(sorry for my english :p )
On a different note, Imari, where did you kidnap the 2D children? You know google reported you to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children, so just cough the truth up.
Fuuuuuuuu- more shitstorms in forecast, but thanks to a certain series of articles from various blogs, you got another in for the violence. Now Imma imagine those old guys as the bigwigs who want the lolis down until omigawd, KNIFE. thank you.
Care to elaborate?
I know there is a slight discussion/shit storm going on at ANN regarding this topic.
To me, this entire situation is just garbage but what can you do when a prude or two decides to create controversy where there is/was none.
Oh yeah, I followed the ANN discussion… just some idiots talking, I think.
Seriously, another piece-of-shit reporting such an epic site. For the coward looking at my post, reply.
I thought this might be of interest for people who claim that reading loli transforms people into pedophile rapists.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Porn_up_rape_down_0922.html
“[...]decline in reported rape of 85% in the past 25 years can be tied to an increase in pornography consumption.”
Not only that, but if they would legalize pedosexuality and STOP CALLING CONSENSUAL ACTS RAPES….. problem solved, since 99% of the encounters between adults and children are CONSENSUAL, coming from my own experience as a child and numerous relatives.
lol wut? You can’t consent to something you don’t fully understand. Unless you mean like 13 and up.
I was interested to see what this news had done for the search volume on Google and was quite amused by the results:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=little+white+butterflies
What the hell is wrong with you? You have the biggest opportunity to fight for what’s right, and you know it.
You’re definitely going in the wrong direction on this.
As far as Google is concerned, yes, it is their right to remove you from the index. However, this directly means they are being hypocritical. They are voluntarily censoring a site that has done nothing wrong, and the legal request they cite for censoring you is incorrect on all accounts.
“As for where we go from here, I think fighting this in a traditional sense is going to be futile.” – This is the worst statement you could of made. You have the capability to act and are choosing not to. You’re choosing to let rights be impeded on in favor of being an accepting sheep to avoid trouble or damage to people reputations.
Reputations will be tainted. People will say things. You should consider it a blessing that’s all that can happen. People had to give their lives ~234 years ago for this.
It’s wrong, and you know it, and you’re accepting it just to save yourself a bit of trouble. How about finally turning around the public opinion about this topic instead of letting it continually strip away at your rights.
A lot of people put a lot of time into supporting to you over the last couple days, meaning people are willing to act. Doing this makes you no better than Christopher Handley, who just plead guilty without having his case heard before court.
Fight, what the hell is wrong with you?
Komidol, our main concern at this point isn’t Google and whether or not they can censor our site. It’s obscenity laws. They’re much like music piracy laws, in that they are very rarely enforced, but those targeted by them are screwed. It’s like winning a lottery in reverse. Just google “red rose stories” and take a look at what happened there. The woman in charge of that site had text-only stories, a mere 29 subscribers, a valid argument for passing the Miller Test, support from the community, and plenty of First Amendment lawyers behind her, and her chances of fighting off obscenity charges were still low enough that she ended up giving in and pleading guilty. Not only that, the judge in charge of the case wanted to throw her in jail anyway, and only conceded due to outside pressure.
Every hentai site, including the big ones like Fakku and E-Hentai, has only a quasilegal status, and keeps going by virtue of not drawing too much attention to themselves from the law. Simply put, we’re not worth the effort. But the longer this Google thing continues, the more attention LWB draws, and the chances of us being among the lucky few to get hit by obscenity laws skyrocket.
It’s not about reputation, or saving ourselves some trouble. This has the potential to ruin our lives, and I for one am not going to risk jail time just to tell Google off.
Torwyn,
Chances are, if these people were to actually fight obscenity laws in court, I doubt (given Justice Roberts response to the Miller test recently) it would be upheld, but it is a lot of trouble, and you would be risking your life; much like our forefathers did. Don’t get me wrong, I understand where you’re coming from, but you have the golden opportunity and you’re passing up.
I just hope you don’t regret the decision and have the same opinion in ten years. Or the right to even have the opinion. Regardless, it’s yours to make, and not mine.
Good luck to you.
I’m not worried about obscenity laws. They are unconstitutional and completely undermine the 1st Amendment. The SCotUS has already ruled a person has the right to privately view obscene material in their home.
It’s a loophole to remove what others don’t want instead of ignoring it. Just like the guy reporting all theses sights to Google and advertisers.
I swear Think of the Children is going to destroy the internet if we don’t stand up between all the morons and secret government blacklists.
It’s a good point. Courts when they do enforce it, tend to use the “make an example out of them mindset and give completely unjustified sentences.
Just keep low, bigots will plague humanity forever. As the information age has shown, it’s not the flow of information, but the extreme thick-headedness of some people that are the problem.
Unlike the lottery, being chosen for prosecution is not random.
The government, ie, the enemy, will carefully cherry-pick cases where the defendant is willing to just give up, is bad at representing themselves, and has a bad lawyer.
They will quietly drop or never begin cases which would mean a real fight, and home in on the people who look like they would just plead guilty.
Anyway, with regard to the Boogle delisting,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
It’s already happening, and I’m very happy to see all the support you’ve gotten.
You might be safe if you stay in Japan, but do be careful if you’re a US citizen or ever plan on entering the US.
If you’re a US citizen, it doesn’t matter where you are if US law enforcement decides loli is illegal, breaking American law as a citizen is illegal wherever you are.
And if you enter the US and you’re flagged, expect customs to comb through your computer and possessions regardless of citizenship.
I’m not a US citizen either.
Just a suggestion but why don’t you make a group on facebook like FAKKU did?
So someone should make a Hentai pron search engine.
OR old school style and create webrings like back in the days before google.
No, you shouldn’t be looking for alternatives or workarounds, you should attack the issue at it’s source. Make another thread at Google. Try to get a phone number to call.
Stopping now is the worst thing you could possibly do for everyone.
Just change the name of your site and group, then you will be available again at google…
I frequent Fakku quite a bit and see many of your releases posted there. Though a lot of the work you guys do isn’t exactly my cup of tea, I have no problem with others reading and enjoying it. Don’t let the morality police over at Google intimidate you into closing shop. If you do, then it’ll only be a matter of time before they start going after what I like, and that wouldn’t be a good thing for any of us. You have my full and unwavering support.
I have to say I respect your attitude. I’d be really irritated if I were you. Have you considered simply making a new site with a new name and pretending you’re unassociated with this group? It really sucks, but I’d hate to see you just give up because of this.
I was surprised when your thread got deleted, as a number of us were posting in it quite frequently. The behavior of the so called Google representatives there was pretty ridiculous, and it seems all they know how to do is spread slander and hate speech, and remain completely silent about any actual inquiries.
I guess this is a sign that even Google is not above misuing the law for baseless censorship. What was the point of that whole China squabble (or rather, squibble), then? Oh well.
The comment above by Torwyn summarises the issue much better than the actual post did. YQII also provided a very plausible explanation to it, with which I would personally be inclined to agree. And please komidol, you would be better off trying to understand what is happening here rather than pointlessly raging at a situation that obviously escapes your grasp.
Yes, Google removed this blog by invoking “Child Pornography”, while the relevant US laws under which the material hosted here could be [easily, dare I say] deemed illegal would have been “Obscenity laws”. Yes, that potentially makes Google hypocritical in the eyes of a small minority of people that are aware of what is happening – and most importantly, that don’t view everyone that wishes to protect this material as “sick fucks” by default.
As a company, both Google and FAKKU made the right choice as far as their public image goes. Get over it, and fight back not by thoughtless fury but rather by peaceful perseverance. What we must seek is to strike down the vague “Obscenity laws” – and, in general, to prevent the spread of ethically authoritarian ideals – rather than questioning the individual choices of companies/organisations.
No, they didn’t. If you want to ‘make the right choice’, you don’t completely ignore the people involved, even if you don’t comply with their demands.
Azarius you are clueless, right choice? hardly. Obscenity laws would ban a huge portion of random websites including anal, scat, piss, s&m and domination that small list isn’t even the start. So let me ask why haven’t all scat websites been pulled as well? Before you cite obscenity laws realize homosexuality was enough get you killed/arrested because of obscenity 60 years ago.
Let’s not play the card “obscenity” otherwise you’ll find yourself with laws against every violent,sexual or offensive media.
You must be from the UK where you get arrested for drawing stuff offensive muslims, if obscenity laws were ‘correct’ you’d be living without type of media freedom. It’s so fucking stupid to see people defend obscenity laws, guess what dude the number of soccer moms outnumber you and they want fucking porn and violent video games banned because they’re obscene. WHICH THEY ARE, but obscenity laws are fucking bullshit.
I do hope that even with all this going on, you will still continue to translate. I don’t see what Google’s problem is.
Cheer up, you’ve got the stresiand effect in your favour at least.
anon, read my comment properly please.
Yes, they made the right choice from a corporate point of view: they must take into account the opinion of the people on whom they rely for their money. As I previously wrote, Obscenity laws should be what we fight against, *not* Google. These laws are vague and have no purpose other than that of enforcing a certain hypothetical “right of people to not be offended”, which shouldn’t be the role of the State.
With all said and done, just wanted to let you know that you’ll always have my full support!
Someone over at SanCon pointed to this website as the possible individual exploiting the system.
http://l7world.com/2010/04/google-sponsors-child-pornography.html
While part of me agrees that we’re backing down from the good fight, there’s another problem that you’re missing. Yes, we could fight censorship and maybe even win. But our opponents simply would want to see us locked up, no matter what for. If they wanted, I’m sure they could get us for copyright infringement, or some other trumped up offense.
Winning the battle is no good if you lose the war.
yeah. you’re right, LWB. however, have you considered #lurk @ irc.irchighway.net? i’m certain they’re into these Lolis. i pointed a few these way.
i’m also certain that, without spamming, you can simply point them this way?
btw, i wouldn’t be surprised if China had anything to do with this, as they’re big on Censorship. i’m certain that if you were to surf via their net, you’ll find alot of site being blocked. a friend of mine went to china and had issue trying to access a few site.
but what google do is their business…moralfag should just either STFU or learn to accept it part of our life. it not gonna go away, and i’m certain, reading these are better than actually doing it.
I really really want to help u Torwyn. My English is suck and I don’t know much about computer either. But if anything happens to this site and you need money to resolve this, I will donate for you. As for me I could spread links from this site to anyone I know so we wouldn’t be isolated.^^ 1 more thing : I love your works here.
I’m not into the kind of porn you translate, either, but google removing you from the index certainly caught my interest.
It’s still plenty easy to find your guys via google around one corner or two (Baka Updates Manga is the first hit now, with link here), and the entire thing got you publicity if anything.
But in general, the situation pisses me off. Especially since google pulled you from the index worldwide because of a retarded US situation. I’m sitting in Germany here, Germany wasn’t involved, and you’re not on our index, either.
That’s global censorship due to US nonsense. It has me pissed.
If anything more happens, you have my sword.
Agreed ’tis bessing in disguise
Good luck, gentlemen. I appreciate your work and hope that this works out for you guys.
I think you are right at your decision. Losing a battle doesn’t mean losing a war. You should make full use of media like Facebook or twitter as well as us posting your stuff in “chans” and forums alike. That way we could still make your site exist
I have to agree about taking cover to avoid getting caught up in a bigger storm, also that Google has the right to remove LWB from its index (though using a legal farce is screwed up)
To say the least, problem with obscenity laws is the inconsistency of standards involved (even in the Miller Test) due to the varying perspective. Those involved in the Test / Standard have the probability of either supporting the prosecution (as in only these type of people have been called in) or related to the prosecution. Either way, both are literally methods which can be employed to force the prosecution’s personal belief on others. (In this case, forcing the closure of this site on the worse case) Thus to say, the legal loophole regarding obscenity is very great.
Laws that allows such materials vary greatly in various countries. Example is the UK and of course, the land of no freedom where the overmind wants to control every aspect of your life (think of a puppeteer and his puppets): Singapore (where I’m in). In here, standard pornography is not allowed. I also doubt Visual Novels is allowed due to the restrictions here. Not to mention the freaking old, rusting, and rigid thinking of the population (thanks to the psychological brainwashing and instillment from Cradle-to-Grave “education” and Mass Media).
Things which I mentioned earlier: psychological brainwashing and instillment from Cradle-to-Grave “education” and Mass Media unfortunately is what pervades any nation. With such influence, peoples minds are being twisted into thinking things such as “lolis must be banned”, “glory to violence”, etc… It is something which we as individuals can’t change since these (brainwashing) is intended to benefit the power brokers and corporations (getting a bit off topic).
Back to topic at hand: If I have to really say anything, it would be best if you people still have the original in your physical media at home. Make copies on other media other then the one which is currently stored in.
Next, upload to multiple file hosting sites in which at least 2 is not revealed for redundancy purposes (in case the site or contents got removed).
Then prepare a new site and a mirror (in which the mirror is unrevealed) for your users to access. When ready, give notice for about 2 weeks to 1 month on existing site before closing completely (total removal of contents).
In the event the new site got compromised, redirect your users to the mirror and set up a new mirror (existing mirror becomes main). Again, give notice before closing the site. It will be a tedious process but it is required to ensure as minimal disclosure as possible.
Additionally, for mirror site which are not to be revealed, it is recommended to remove their existence from web crawlers. I do know there is a method for doing that but I just can’t remember off hand.
Sorry for the wall of text.
Google mighta blocked you from search cause your name might come up if a little kid searched up “little white butterflies” well of course it would and LWB might be a common topic to study about or some kid wanted to know some scientific name of such butterfly, and they accidently clicked this site, and therefore their parents somehow found out and maybe sent complaints to google… Anyhow good luck with negotiations!
Maybe. However, that kind of thing happens with lots and lots of search terms.
No, that’d be retarded. Google has age classification which hides pornographic pages by default (enable only) and they can put the page there…
Besides its not Google’s job to hide the most common exact search results because it could be offensive to someone. If I use the search engine, its because they DON’T do too much of this, but actually deliver relevant results.
Google isn’t that stupid, I bet. No, this is probably one of these concerns where they might think they need to consider possible impact on their image and international law and just suspended things for now.
I personally bumped into this website not too long ago. I read that a scanlation site had been banned through a few news blogs, but I had no idea that it was referring to this site. Right now, I think that anything relating to ‘drawn’ pornography in Japan is taking a turn for the worst, no doubt thanks to a certain news reporter, rights groups and countless numbers of people who head-on believe anything they’re told.
But when I turn back to the facts, I was one of those people. Many of us are probably one of those people. The media is just too powerful when it comes to feeding lies and reporting news when they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. I’m probably still acting the same way to something else, but I’d have no idea about it until I see the facts, but chances are, I won’t. I hate to say this, but as the media and society goes, I don’t think things are going to get any better. Of course, if there’s someone here who can say otherwise to what I’ve already said, please go ahead. Maybe I’m just hell too pessimistic about everything.
Of course, I 100% support what you guys are doing. I know its a real kick in the balls with what’s happened already, but I wish you guys all the best.
I hate the fact that people actively look for causes to throw their lot in with based on what everyone else is doing. Notice that no one really cared about video game violence back in the day until some politician brought it up to make him look like he’s fighting “the good fight”?
Most of the desperate housewives of the world dont care one way or the other about this kind of stuff, but let a politician or a celebrity say they care about a cause? Then you’ve got every soccer mom on the block banning something without even researching it. They think they’re making a difference in the world and they tell their friends because they dont want to seem like all they’re about is American idol and watching survivor on thursdays.
Which brings me to our legal system. What good does it do to be judged by a jury of your peers if all your peers in the area are a bunch of bible thumping morons who think its illegal to do have sex even in the missionary position? You could prove you only downloaded the one “obscene” anime/manga and the jury would sentence you to 100 years for being a “child molester just waiting to hurt someone” or a “rapist who preys on women”.
It seems like loli/rape/yaoi/yuri/hentai/etc. manga is becoming more and more in the public eye. It used to be less readily available. Mark my words the more easy it gets and less of a taboo to like, the more people will be downloading it, seeing it, etc. and that means kids younger than 18 who live with their parents, and that means the opportunity for them to be caught. Soon as someone with high enough influence catches wind of this, they’ll try to do a crack down.
No real people are hurt in these stories, its fantasy, but people dont understand that. Ban this and whats next? First person shooters? Grand Theft Auto games? Water guns? Every movie R rated?
Come on this is just nuts!
I dont actually read this type of material but I am disgusted with googles actions so I support you guys.
anyways can we all just make free internet pages with huge links to littlewhitebutterflies.com?, if we do they should appear on google thus linking to this site right?, we should make hundreds of websites with links to this one
anyway im a noob at creating sites and stuff so pardon my shitty site
http://gamersattack.blogspot.com/
I suck at it so I didnt know how to make the Link huge or anything hehehe.
Please don’t cut my head off, but why not changing the name of your blog. And then, if you got the axe again change the name anew. Nettle them !
You know, I wonder if not being on Googles Index is enough to give a site an underground-status these days. If you, I’d happily report all lolicon sites to be taken off any search engine if it means they will survive longer than if some moralist without a basic understanding of reality finds and causes it to be taken down.
I learned of this site because of the google censorship story. While I’m seriously turned off by rape stuff, I fully downloaded the latest batch torrent of your translations and will seed it 24/7 off my 100 Mbps connection until there is a newer one.
Your stuff disgusts me at a base level, and I would deem it exceptionally immoral. But at the same time, it’s also just fantasy, and only God may judge a man by his fantasies alone. Those “moral crusaders” who think that they have the right to call you to account for things that aren’t real will in my opinion receive a worse accounting for their deeds than you will.
Fuck google. We’re with you, comrades!
A little time since my last visit here.
I didn’t know that you have this sort of problems…
You probably already know that i’m absolutely not a fan of loli or guro, but i am 100% with you.
Cheer up, and long life to little white butterflies!!!
I’ve checked Yahoo! and Bing, and dozens of other engines, you guys are still on top!
I must say, I’m not much of a fan of most loli-manga, but I still support those who wish to derive some ‘innocent’ pleasure from reading it.
You have a lot of loyal fans and other sympathetic individuals out there who’ll help out as much as they can. All I can do on my side of the screen is wish you guys luck.
Just wait it out. Think about it, how many of us from the current generation actually hold these horribly outdated, puritan ideals?
These most likely religious based hate groups are formed by the previous generation who view all technology as a threat.
With our generation who all grew up with the internet, who the hell holds these ridiculous ideals.
Things will change since our generation has more real world exposure than those that shut themselves into their own religious thoughts of paradise.
I though about this too, and I hope it comes true as well. But then again… have the ruling elites ever had an open-minded background?
Blog has been reported for Mature content.
I’m interested to see how long it takes before you guys get shut down.
How about… never.
lol, keep telling yourself that. Loser.
Pshhyeah right. Shut down for what? Mature content? lolol
i’m not a fan of loli, but i’m a fan of your other works. don’t give a shit about google, most of us use yahoo or bing anyway.
keep up the goodwork!
I deeply respect your guys’ resilience in the face of such pressure. Amongst all the bitching and whining about feminists and morality mongers, it’s people like you who take a stand that really make a difference, however small. I wish you guys the best in your future endeavors.
Although I have been coming here I just worked up the nerve to post here and I have enjoyed the doujins you put out translated and not just for fapping material(had one doujin where a brother ran away with his little sister from an abusive dad and the story got me alittle).
Anyway its sad that humanity plays this game for control. Its not about protecting some brats but trying to gain more control over others and what they do and think and using any excuse to do it which shows how disgusting we truly are.
The dark side of democracy..
Hey.
It’s interesting how this appears to have unfolded. I slipped into the FAKKU frontpage to see if I could grab you guys again because some of the things you do is to my taste, loli notwithstanding this ideal. Shame that things have rolled how they will, but no one will take shit for this. I’ve seen another comrade go through this, and nothing really happened. He ended up jailed for something irrelevant, although being a pedophile probably didn’t help his case, it’s not entirely illegal to have the taste as long as you don’t act on it.
Good luck with things. If I ever have a high traffic site where I’m comfortable that the userbase will be tolerant of this content, I’ll post it up.
Hey guys,
A shame what did happen, i am a big fan of your work, and hope you will get through all of this.
Wish you luck.
(and i did not find your team via google.)
Frankly, I don’t understand.
I ferociously dislike loli personally, and hard rape is barely better in my book.
But however, why the fook bother reporting you or e-hentai to the publishing companies, that’s way overboard
I may dislike loli as much as I do, I still reckon that these are only drawings. More precisely, that makes me sick to imagine people masturbating at the idea of fucking a little girl, I believe that during the climax, the fapper isn’t imagining he faps to a paper page. Gross. — but then again, it’s just drawings, shit !
When real pedos are concerned, I prefer to know they find loli porn drawings to satisfy their needs privately, rather than imagining them building up pressure more and more, until they go hunting out real girls on the streets.
So, it sucks
I hope you LWB guys will not have any more problems, really !
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Another remark, just in case wordpress may go against you, have you ever considered purchasing your own domain ?
For 12$ per year, you have a com/net/org domain with included privacy protection (namecheap’s whoisguard or godaddy’s domainsbyproxy, for instance, only officially allowed authorities leading an official action can obtain your ID). With that, even if wordpress kicks you, you wouldn’t disappear, your URL would be still the same, only the host would have to change ?
HAHA!
The irony is that this act got them a bunch of negative publicity so SUCK IT google
still i support your right to publish fap-tastic material
Google’s being a complete dick recently. Trying to force a nation to change their policies to have them open their site there? Now this crap. Damn. I’m behind you guys all the way.
This Starcraft 2 shoutcaster who has been recording and commentating on games since SC1, and whose videos now are getting 50,000+ views EACH, just got “automatically” rejected for a google partnership on youtube and is blocked from reapplying for 2 months…
He did everything he could to fulfill their criteria, and wasn’t even looked at, with no one responding to his requests as to why he was rejected.
Quite honestly, it is disgusting how far Google has fallen.
You’re pedophiles, cock suckers. Don’t you dare compare yourselves to MLK.
Lol, I see another one of the problem visits us.
I really wish there weren’t people who come around raging, like let people live peacefully as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. pedophiles…not necessarily, cock suckers, most of the manga here are straight with a few exceptions (like 1 or 2?) (doubt there’d be cock suckers around here unless female friends enjoy reading the stuff here then they may potentially be, only potentially)(maybe i’m stereotyping but plz don’t hurt me). I must say some adults have physique that are loli material so one could think of lolis as adults and that might go some ways (like every pron vid out there that is legal), before people even think about banning drawings, they should think about banning real stuff, but then again, the world would be in chaos…
LWB all the way!
…waiting as time goes by for something new to be uploaded..
Just like religious fanatics who hunted down the best and brightest back in the day.
Just like all the innocent people who died in the witch hunts.
Just like the thousands and thousands of people hunted down for sport because they were subhuman “pagans”.
Just like the 11+ million Jews who died for what they are.
Frankly, people like 京 ARE comparable Hitler, because given the power, I bet they are every bit as disgusting.
…and why are you here anyway if you’re OH SO DISGUSTED, huh?
Go visit your cheap porn sites.
Hey, does 京 mean Raging Homo?
I support you guys completely! Keep up the good work and disobey this moralistic insanity!
Lol, Loli-haters always spoil ever-thing.
Good luck with the fight and I will support you on the sidelines.
It’s an interesting thought:
When America first showed itself as the most progressive society, Japan, Hong Kong and South Korea reformed their own governments to realize for their people the benefits of freedom.
But as Japan, Hong Kong, and South Korea branches off into their own areas of new and progressive understanding of our own human nature, it is the western countries whom are the bigots. Refusing to accept thoughts and ideas of other cultures, refusing to accept anything new.
While so many other countries are still far off, the bigotry that America alone has shown really makes me wonder if their moral/intellectual peak is long past.
Little White Firefly; Before you start the America bashing you would do well to remember that both Japan and South Korea exist because the U.S. invested heavily in their rebuilding. This is after Japan started a war with the U.S. and
South Korea escaped Communist rule because the U.S. fought to protect them. These Governments did not reform themselves, The U.S. did it for them, AT GREAT HUMAN SACRIFICE AND COST TO US! Hong Kong exists in its present form and success as a result of England. They did nothing on their own! Every bit of your statement is wrong and you need check yourself and stop disrespecting the country and people that has done so much good in this world before you make any more in the future.
Sadly, this bigotry that he speaks of is false. Come back to reality: even your country has moralf49s (and bigots for that matter).
It is clear in my mind that the majority of the leaders behind this moral crusade stem from USA. Britain and Australia have also shown many outspoken pressure groups.
If you are able to come up with a strong list of evidence that there are in-fact more of these pressure groups causing such widespread support for bigotry in Japan, HK, and South Korea, then I will gladly accept your view.
But Anon, while you are very correct about the debt many countries owes the US, such is not an excuse for trampling over your own progress towards freedom of speech and thought!
The US has enabled unprecedented progress in other countries. But yet when these countries come up with their own versions of progress, the masses of bigots speak out to destroy what was gained.
The US worked hard to give the freedom these countries have today. But instead, are now leading the charge to destroy what that freedom has reaped.
Also, I would like to politely inform you that both you and Anon’s replies seem discriminant of me as being some America basher from some outside country.
I hope you know that I am born from the west.
Reread my comments as me critiquing the culture I myself grew up in, and you should notice a profound difference in what you interpreted.
I have experience with these cultures, and if you go to Japan, HK, or South Korea for vacation, you will see many differences between the cultures that all nations could benefit from by understanding.
But sadly, what we are seeing instead is people picking up their pitchforks and torches to destroy what heresy the witches bring.
just wanna say: I’m on ur side. will b,n will always b. I’m not (just) a fan of loli. but I’m a fan of everything that’s rarely appear in d real world (rape, bondage, etc). nope, I’m a normal person. I still enjoy normal sex. but I enjoy watch or read hentai d most. coz imagination might went 2 d furthest attempt!!
Maybe a parent has reported to google after a kid typed “butterflies” in the webbrowser to find something about butterflies for “homework” and stumbled at your site.
So a possible solution is to change name (to one that would not interest kids who e.g. search for information for homework: avoid words like butterflies, pony, horse etc. Or use “little white butterflies” in Japanese (romanization): Chīsana shiroi chō. And close this site and move to other blog sites (preferbly those which would warn about adult contents before entry).
Highly unlikely, given the fact that Fakku was involved. I bet my left testicle on the reporter being someone from Fakku.
oh shit, there is another Oliver in the comments, I didn’t see -_-
Hey, I’m THE Oliver, lol ^^;
J/K towards the other Oli, it’s not like I have a copyright
Reacting to TCM, that would be going overboard, maybe.
However, would Google reconsider, maybe, if you placed an intersticial warning, something like having to click OK on a “warning : adult material” before being able to view the website ?
Not everyone using Google
bind did not block this site yet..
And I dunno, personally I nerver googled to find a hentai site.. normally only finding pay sites with weird porn on it.. looking thourgh affliates is lots better.
@ Anonymous using Bing,
Well, it’s a sad pity to give up on Google. In my case (I’m also a webmaster blogger), 8-10% of my daily traffic comes from Google…
This is a beutiful declarations of principles, you dont need google now, you are going to favourites
I had to manually type in the address to get back here. I was kinda surprised (and angry) at the loss of the link in google since everything’s in my search link box. But it’s a good thing that the site’s still up and running, and don’t lose the fighting spirit. As long as bondage-related stuff is being translated, I’ll always be a supporter of this site. (Don’t dig lolis, but hey, that’s somebody else’s prerogative.)
On another note, you really got to hate them reporters… they the lives of so many people on free hentai-related sites.
Irony: Google takes LWB out of the search engine, but Chrome remembers the URL. lol.
Don’t know what you guys are talking about. I just typed in “little white butterflies” into Google and this site came up in “Baka manga updates” and “Wiki” little white butterflies is in fact represented on Google.
this may of good help http://yestofreedom.org/2009/12/18/freedom-tan/
See, this is why we can’t have nice things. At least you did something. Eventually, the moralf49 community will have their backsides handed to them x9000.
I’m not into guro or too violent mangas, but I’ll be damned if I’m not gonna defend fiction. It’s just sad that you guys got into this just because it’s hardcore; I bet no one would give a damn if it was vanilla-porn.
I support you guys, since sensible logical people know that ink and paper don’t translate to CP and fiction and reality don’t effing mix.
I simply can’t understand people. If we were all wired to do whatever the media told us, we’d be going crazy killing people and punching the light out of the person next to us just for the hell of it.
As i stated before i’m not much into pron comics but i’m with the freedom of speech and i think google so the wrong choice. However in the end i don’t get the big deal, if someone is looking for some kind of specific comics they will use dedicated search engines like MU or others. Is hard that someone use google for this. At least is me, when i search for a genre of manga, like sports or comedy i use MU or other scanlations search engines bypassing google or other regular search engines.
@ Nikki : as webmasters (I’m one too), you know, without FRESH traffic, new visitors, in the long term your blog will get less and less visitors.
It’s true having many visitors isn’t everything, but honestly, all the webmasters have a “Narcissus” side that’s stronger than the average, we love having more and more visitors, being able to share what we think or love with more and more people.
Cut google, you cut 10% of the daily traffic. It sucks, you’ll still “touch” those who know you already, but you won’t be able to “touch” anymore those who would have appreciated to get to know you.
It sucks, and it’s unfair.
You know, if there’s one good thing about this, I would venture into stating that this fiasco may have actually increased your web traffic, ironic as it may seem.
Скажите, а у вас есть RSS поток в этом блоге?
freedom of speech or in this case reading is really taking some huge blows these days. South Park’s final speech got censored, e-hentai’s loli content got taken of and now this shit with you.
You’ve got my support and I always loved your translations. Keep up the good work man! And sad as it is, google won’t be used bye me anymore either. All these moral activists should give it a rest.
Sorry to hear about this happening, yikes! >_< At least ALS/RA links to your Eva doujin which should help with publicity.
Continue to fight the good fight, you have supporters. ^_^
I have bookmarked you guys. Will drop in every days to see what is new.
Support from Europe for you guys here.
You have my support.
Hey, I just found the link to this site on an anime blog about the google adsense anti-loli campaign. I just wanted to say ganbatte for finding a way round this. I hope it all works out for you.
Even if i’m not really in loli stuff i support guys.
Like above, You have support from Europe.
You have to fight
Ah… sad that this is happening. Support from Finland.
We in Europe aren’t too well off either with many countries (so far not including Finland) already having a lolicon ban, often directly compared to real CP instead of “obscenity act” targeting all sorts of sodomy. It’s like a friggin’ Victorian Period again!
EU is probably going to pass the following:
COM (2009) 135, Proposal for a
COUNCIL FRAMEWORK DECISION
on combating the sexual abuse, sexual exploitation of children and child pornography,
repealing Framework Decision 2004/68/JHA,
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/com/com_com(2009)0135_/com_com(2009)0135_en.pdf
What is worthy of noticing is the equation of fictional CP to factual CP with no distinction between the two. Read: spend 10 years in jail for drawing a naughty stickfigure comic or downloading Japanese manga scans.
It seems the Laws from the US indeed reached Europe as well, sadly. The freedom to make some kind of art is limited to what the law allows.
It would be hilarious if they cut down the penis from Belgium it’s trademark ‘manneke pies’. For those who don’t know what that statue is this is an image: (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Manneken_Pis_2009.JPG)
And this is the Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manneken_Pis
I quess after that Belgium would loose that historical statue, hahaha!
Lagann comes to mind whenever shit like this happens. It’s like the intermission where they chant “fite da powa”
All of you USA people got the laws from the types of politicians that you elected. You wanted non-liberal laws, so you got that. The next time a non-liberal gets control again, the laws will probably get even stricter against doujinshi. Or it will get regulated the same way that softcore porn publications are currently regulated.
If you elect officials that are religious or right-wing, then of course you got Bush and Ashcroft who made loli/shota/scat/extremefurry imaginary works illegal (thought crime). Originally, they wanted all hentai manga/doujins/anime to be regulated the same as live-action, but the Supreme Court didn’t go for that.