Jeff & Joel are joined today by Dave Winer, who's upset that we
don't have a jingle to start the show! He "invented" (well, pioneered,
really) the XML-RPC protocol. Dave tells us the story of how and why the protocol came to be.
now, Dave's working on a "magnificent symphony of software" - it's the
communication system he wants to use. It involves a minimal blogging
tool with only RSS output (plus a dongle that will push the RSS to
twitter, etc), a "River of News" aggregator, and an overarching tool for
creating content that can be picked apart and included on other
- Dave's philosophy is that some time soon, users are
going to realize that they need a place to build and control their
content before they post it to any service or platform that's controlled
by an outside company.
- The gang discusses the nature of
comments on blogs (and on Stack Exchange questions and answers), and how
to manage them - or whether to allow them at all. It leads to a
discussion of creating new pages on Wikipedia, and its requirements for
citations and notoriety.
- Dave suggests putting together a Best
Practices manual on managing your content on the web. He suggests that
having as few domain names as possible will help people not lose their
content (or break all their links). Jeff suggests that Facebook can be
that sort of "repository" for many people, but Dave disagrees. (n.b.: He recently deleted his Facebook account.) Companies don't necessarily last forever - we're looking at you, Geocities.
(Talk of Facebook inevitably pushes the discussion into the realm of
what information websites record, and how, and why - generally as
related to advertising.)
- Services like FedEx and UPS can get you
your new Kindle Fire on release day because they've cut every possible
corner - except for the 1% of people who are not a simple case because
they've moved, or they need their package on time. That 1% outlyer idea
can't be applied to freedom (intellectual, personal, what have you),
- Dave wants to buy a bland, uninvolved service that
does nothing but provide the service it says it provides. Amazon was
doing a great job of that until they kicked WikiLeaks off their storage.
Dave is overlooking that incident for now because there is nowhere else
to go that provides the whole package (uptime, reliability, etc).
- Dave wrote a blog post involving
the quote: "If you're not paying for something, you have no reason to
expect it to be there tomorrow." But does that mean that because you are paying for something, youcan expect it to be there tomorrow? The gang explores this philosophy.
we're talking about how Dave believes there is no real hard line
between government and business... an issue which cannot necessarily be
solved in a 60-minute podcast.
- Twitter solves the subscription
process that RSS has. With RSS, you have to go through a bunch of steps
to get yourself subscribed. With Twitter, you just have to click one
"follow" button, and you're set.
- Joel is considering writing
fiction! He likes the medium because you don't have to tell the truth.
You tell the deeper truth by manipulating the superficial facts.
coalition of the users doing stuff together independent of Facebook or
Google or what have you is valuable and should be encouraged and
protected. It's a conversation that Jeff and Dave will continue offline.
- You can find Dave at Scripting News, and you should also check out EC2 for Poets.